How classless are the Brewers?
Well, maybe not all of them. At least Jim Edmonds realized it wasn't polite to gloat after kicking the tails of the Pirates to the tune of 20-0. But of course Ryan Braun displayed no such graciousness or class, with this being his quote:
"It was fun and it was special," said Braun, who homered, doubled, singled and drove in five runs. "This game is really so much about failure, particularly as a hitter, that you rarely get a day where everyone is enjoying so much success at the same time."
"I've never been involved in a game like this and I likely never will be again. So, I enjoyed it and I'll savor it. It's one to remember," he said.
What do you think? Is it cool to just pile on?
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If you don’t want a team to score 20 runs, stop them.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Apr 22, 2010 6:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Of course, Braun didn't have to be a jerk about it
Just put it behind you. You don’t have to kick them down after the game.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Apr 22, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i understand
yet if a Cub made that comment (instead of a Brewer) would we accept it?
I bet we would and would also defend him for it
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Castro Blocker Fan Club
I dunno.
I once sat in the stands at Wrigley and watched the Cubs clobber the Dodgers 20-1. I laughed my ass off as every run scored because it just started to seem absurd after a while. My guess is that’s what Braun is talking about.
Hate them for who they are. But not for this.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
Please.
There’s nothing wrong with that quote. What’s he supposed to say, they got lucky? You don’t like Braun. We get it. There are reasons not to and some of them are arguably legit, but pointing to this just makes you sound like a whiny little girl.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 22, 2010 7:14 PM CDT reply actions
Why don't you take your sexist attacks
back to your homeland of Brew Crew Ball, where they will fit right in?
too bad Al doesn't have the same policy
over at Bizzarro BCB you get banned for saying hello if you have something Cub related in your avatar.
by LT on Apr 22, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Why you don't you explain what exactly you found offensive in that quote?
Or why I’m wrong? Instead responding with the sort of ad hominem attack you’re criticizing me for?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 22, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
It came from Ryan Braun
that guy could just sit there and not say a word and he would still annoy the shit outta me.
by bheidge on Apr 22, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
cant say i blame you. i mean, look at him
"The roar from the crowd really fired me up," Burish said. "In warmups there were a lot of signs. One said 'Burish, my grandma is pregnant.' I don't know what that means. I skated by it and said, 'it's not mine.' "
by jesus christos on Apr 22, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
jesus
Never had a problem with Braun before until I saw this picture of him spitting seeds at me.
"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman
by BucknerKongCardenal on Apr 23, 2010 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
You wanted peanuts, instead?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Not that there is anything wrong with blowing seed...
"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman
by BucknerKongCardenal on Apr 23, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
That's fine.
I find plenty of folks annoying too. I’ve got no problem with that because that’s human nature and entirely subjective. And his t-shirt line (and the photo he promotes it with) are embarrassing (we routinely make fun of both at brewcrewball). But there’s still nothing wrong with that quote.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 22, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
In your opinion.
Now please go defend him at Brew Crew Ball and stop trying to impose your viewpoint here. You’ve now made it 6 times—go back to your site. Thanks!
I will if you admit you can't explain to me why it is this quote is offensive.
If you think you can, let’s hear it.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 22, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Besides...
… I’m not imposing my viewpoint, I’m just voicing it. And it seems to be shared by a number of Cubs fans in this thread.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 22, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
It is.
There’s nothing wrong with that viewpoint. There is nothing wrong with what he said.
If the Pirates didn’t suck so bad we wouldn’t even be having this pointless argument.
"Keep pushin till it's understood,
And these badlands start treating us good."
"If the Pirates didn't suck so bad we wouldn't even be having this pointless argument."
True. At least today. I don’t think they’re as bad as they played last series.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 22, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
there is absolutely nothing wrong with that quote. If it was made by Weeks, Gomez, Escobar, Hart, Counsel or anybody else not named Fielder or Braun no one raises an eyebrow over it.
i agree with Ted
and if a Cub made the same quote, brewcrew would look to rip the Cub while we defended him for it. Its not a big deal IMHO
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Castro Blocker Fan Club
His argument isn't the issue
Anyone one of us here tries to post what he did here on bizarro BCB, we don’t just get flamed, we get banned. Trust me, I know. Hence, the huge hypocritical aspect to himeven being here. If he wants to be treated fairly here,maybe he can prevail upon the people that run the Brewer site to grow up.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Sooo.......your only giving him shit outta spite?
Do you really want to post over there that badly?
by bheidge on Apr 22, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 23, 2010 6:47 AM CDT up reply actions
then be the better poster
Stay on topic and show the other bcb how its done.
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Castro Blocker Fan Club
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 23, 2010 2:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Absolutlely
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 23, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't need the lecture
but thanks
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
I don't think so.
Unless it was Z, then maybe. He’s the only Cub player I can think of that generates the kind of vitriol over there (at least periodically) that Braun generates over here. At least, from what I’ve seen.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 23, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
i've seen many more sexist remarks here than there
check tonight’s game thread for some if you’re curious
Sexism make da baby jebus cry.
"Keep pushin till it's understood,
And these badlands start treating us good."
Hypocrite
Your sorry ass has banned me for posting like over there. F you.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
That's right.
Don’t bother attacking my argument. Just say “f you”. It’s a lot easier than thinking, isn’t it?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 22, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I really don't care..
…one whit about your argument. Rather than just let it go, this being a partisan Cubs site and all, do you seriously think you can come here and post what you did without taking some crap? You expect a fair exchange here but when we try it on your site, we get banned. So yeah, until such time as I go over over to bizarro BCB without some lame pop up coming up to tll me until I acknowledge I was wrong I can’t post, blow it out your hairy, fat ass.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Apr 22, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, I don’t expect to post over here without taking crap. I just want the guy who posted this in the first place to either admit he’s wrong or explain why he’s right. So far he’s done nothing but tell me to leave without responding to my argument. If you don’t care, that’s your business. I don’t really blame you, but making you care what I think is hardly my objective.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 23, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Well,
You could certainly move on then. Personally, you’re welcome over here anytime in my book, but you’re now being terribly redundant, and a bit offensive, to boot.
As an aside, I’m not sure how involved you are with Brew Crew Ball, but if you are, you might consider reassessing your posting policy. I’ve tried going over their a few times, and you make it very clear that all but the most rabid Brewers fans are not welcome, so I don’t return. I assure you that I am not someone that anyone would consider a “troll”, so when I don’t feel welcome somewhere, you’re probably being a little too fanatical.
by Damen Jackson on Apr 23, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not involved in running the site at all.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 23, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I have to say, I'm not sure why you get saddled with that.
Clearly we disagree often, but I don’t get that whole banning thing.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 23, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Honest question:
Do you think that they are a bit over-zealous in banning there? I haven’t posted anything, myself, but I’ve seen some of the reactions people get.
I do also realize that some fans do go over there just to mix it up and probably earn a banning.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 23, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I haven't read it in a while
but when I did, they were sometimes too slow. I can’t really say about many because I didn’t follow the details of whoever. There were definitely people who came over to be obnoxious and arrogant. So I guess a few I am familiar with they weren’t. I wonder how close I’ve gotten here. No pop-ups so far though!
You probably haven't gotten all that close
Al’s pretty patient. And while we’ve had some exchanges (some that I’m not particularly proud of), you haven’t given me a reason to flag a comment or complain to Al.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 23, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
i second SB about that
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Castro Blocker Fan Club
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 23, 2010 2:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe the person who posted this
would respond to you if: (a) you didn’t ask the same question over and over and over, acting like the kind of fan who would have been banned in seconds on your own team’s fan site; and (b) if you didn’t assume she is a guy. You know, girls like baseball, too, “Ted.”
I'll apologize for that assumption.
Though given the demographics of SBN members, where males clearly outnumber females, I don’t think making that assumption is unforgiveable. And for the last part of my original comment, which I shouldn’t have said.
But the only reason I’m asking the same question over and over again is because you’ve refused to answer it.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 23, 2010 7:34 AM CDT up reply actions
That is very true, LT.
And I agree with you that their banning policy should be applied back at them when they visit other blogs to attack.
Except I haven't banned anyone.
I don’t run that site and I don’t have the power to ban anyone. And you still haven’t responded to my argument.
Maybe because you can’t.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 22, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Having read this whole thread....
… the original poster, who happens to be female, objected to your personal attack on her by calling her a “whiny little girl”.
Maybe personal attacks are OK over at the “other” BCB. They aren’t here.
An apology would have been appropriate.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
As I read through this
TSSC comment wasn’t called for, as you said.
However, the hand wringing over Braun’s comment is silly.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 23, 2010 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I can accept that.
But why is it that I’ve drawn a comment from you suggesting I apologize for my “personal attack” but you didn’t bother to suggest that Beer Cub apologize for suggesting I have a hairy fat ass? Could it be because I’m not a Cubs fan? If you want civility, on your site, fine, but don’t be selective when choosing who to demand it from.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 23, 2010 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, you deserve an apology for that, too.
I’m really tired of the namecalling and personal attacks. Enough.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
FWIW
TSSC has always been reasonable when he’s posted on here. I do think people jumped on him because he’s a Brewers fan, and that ain’t right . . .
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 23, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Probably will.
Everyone gets blown out eventually, and with the Brewers pitching, it’ll probably happen more than once. But you know what we won’t do? We won’t find perfectly innocuous comments made by the opponent after the blow out and complain that they’re gloating when they talk about how it’s fun to get lots of hits and score runs.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 22, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
You can't promise that.
Any less than the Cubs fans here who agree Braun said nothing wrong can’t promise than people will take offence to it.
No one is higher or mightier than another person cos they support a different team. Different people just react in different ways. Cubs fans and Brewers fans don’t form opinions as collective consciousness.
"Keep pushin till it's understood,
And these badlands start treating us good."
Probably right, but it's what I think.
I can’t recall, offhand, a similar instance over at my bcb, but it’s possible I just don’t remember.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 23, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
People be hating on Ryan Braun
because he’s an unbelievably good player.
"Keep pushin till it's understood,
And these badlands start treating us good."
by AussieCub on Apr 22, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And, you know, because he is Ryan Braun.
"Keep pushin till it's understood,
And these badlands start treating us good."
Because our team stinks?
And we have to find something else to talk about?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 23, 2010 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions
No they don't.
Or at least, I don’t think so. They’re just struggling right now. They may not be as good as you’d like, but this is not a team that’s going to continue to play at a 6-10 pace the rest of the year.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 23, 2010 7:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Awfully nice of you to say.
I wish I believed you. Right now I think they stink.
I’m bringing the whole family to the game on Sunday. Please don’t be too hard on us if you sweep.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
Hope you have fun.
And spend some money on concessions. We need it to sign Fielder.
The Pirates are bad, but the Brewers always make them look worse than they are. We’ve had their number for a few years now. Just one of those things, and it usually doesn’t carry over to the next series.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 23, 2010 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions
So if I buy some brats on Saturday night, you can sign Fielder?
Maybe I’ll have dinner before coming to the park.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
LOL
The weather looks like it may be lousy for us to tailgate as planned. I was going to eat at the park, but now I think I will eat at my daughter’s dorm at Marquette. She has about 195 meals left on her meal plan to be used by the middle of May.
Oh, if you’re looking for a good place…I recommend the Milwaukee Ale House.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
And she has one of the smaller meal plans.
I’d suggest you drop by with a friend or a hundred, but she’s pretty shy and would probably get mad at me.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
6-10 pace? Definitely not
But, .500 looks like a lofty goal right now.
Weak bullpen, bad offense, and a rotation with at least 2 starters having the potential to turn into pumpkins at any time.
I’m not giving up, but from what I’ve seen so far, it’s the Cardinals’ division to lose.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 23, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
"... it's the Cardinals' division to lose."
Looks that way, unfortunately.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 23, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
In 2008...
…. the Diamondbacks were 19-7 and had a 6.5 game lead in the NL West on April 28.
You’d have said the same thing about them then, right?
Finish: 82-80, second place.
A hot start over 16 games means very little.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It's not just the Cardinals' hot start
Look at who the Cubs havce played so far. Other than Atlanta, do you see ANY of those teams contending into August for a division?
The schedule gets a helluva lot tougher in mid-May.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 23, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
That's true.
So they better step it up vs. the Nats and Pirates and D’backs.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And Brewers
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 23, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you just looking for things to complain about?
I really don’t see anything wrong. Braun had a good day and enjoyed it. He didn’t say anything to put down the Pirates.
by rlpete on Apr 22, 2010 8:38 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Sounds like a reporter asked a question
and Braun answered it.
I don’t think Braun acted improperly on the field of play. If he did, he should get one in the ribs.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Apr 22, 2010 9:10 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I hate Ryan Braun...
but I see nothing wrong with any part of that quote. At all.
by kanderber on Apr 22, 2010 10:19 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Nothing wrong with braun's quote
I’d love to be part of a win like that as a fan or player. It is special.
I get that some people don’t like him or the Brewers , but you can’t call them out for good play and a win and saying they enjoyed it. I mean what do you expect him to say? Apologize for beating them so bad?
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella
by El Borto on Apr 22, 2010 10:33 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I think Braun's play and his quote were unsportsmanlike.
Others may disagree—that’s why I invited the opinions of others on this topic.
However, the Cubs fans who disagree said so once and moved on. The Brewers fan here keeps beating people over the head with his opinion, DEMANDING ANSWERS. On his site, he would have been banned at the second comment. LET IT GO.
What exactly was it about that quote?
that made you feel its unsportsmanlike? That he said it was fun and special? or that he enjoyed it and savored it? I hate Braun as much as the next guy but I think you might be reading into this a little too much. Did he pose and stare down his HR after they were up double digits?
And he still hasn't answered those questions...
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 23, 2010 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
My mistake.
And it’s safe to conclude, I think, that you’re not answering them because you can’t. You over-reacted. You let your dislike of Braun cloud your common sense. And now you lack the courage to admit it. Pathetic.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 23, 2010 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Her opinion is that Braun is a jerk.
You disagree. That doesn’t make her opinion wrong.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
No it doesn't.
But her post didn’t say Braun was a jerk. It said his comment was that his comment was classless, and she’s been asked to point out why that is, or the parts she found offensive (and not just by me), and she’s declined to do that.
If she just said Braun was a jerk, I never would have responded in the first place.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 23, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
So you agree that he's a jerk, then? ;-)
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 23, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
No...
… but I can see why he rubs some folks the wrong way. I think some of the otherwise unoffensive stuff he does now draws more of a reaction because of some incidents that occurred in his first year or two in the league. I’ve seen the guy stare down homeruns in the past and get chewed on by opponents as he made his way around the bases. But I’ve also seen him, in the at bat that follows, apologize to the catcher and the 1st baseman, if he makes it on. And I think his t-shirt line and the way it’s advertised makes him look like a tool. As for the photo above, which some see as evidence of his disrespect, I’d bet a $100 it was the photographer’s idea.
If he wasn’t a Brewer, I might find him annoying, I suppose. I thought Sosa, for example, was a showboating tool.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 23, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
No arguments on Sosa . . .
And I wasn’t aware that he’d apologize. Not bad.
I still don’t like his act against Dempster last year, especially when he was pretending to have been hit. But, I can’t deny I’d take him on my team.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 23, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Why the difference between "classless" and "jerk"?
It’s still her opinion. Why is an explanation needed for one, but not the other?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
One is an incident, the other is an overall characterization
i.e., what about the comment was classless?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 23, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Thank you.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 23, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
OK, explanation accepted.
FWIW, I didn’t think the comment was classless. Braun’s done some other things I thought were, but this isn’t one of them.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Fair enough.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 23, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
No problem. You're alright.
And I think there’s too much of piling on someone because they root for a different team. It’s a game, for goodness sakes.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 23, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably true.
But it usually depends how the other guy comes in. I should have dialed it down a notch with my first comment above. Once I did so the responses got a lot more civil. I try not to troll, though I do sometimes frequent this site and others dedicated to divisional opponents, but this time I failed to talk myself out of posting a comment.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 23, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess I don't disagree
I gave you the benefit of the doubt because we’ve had civil conversations.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Apr 23, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Ted, I think the Brewers' mistake just now in letting a second run score was pathetic
and I DEMAND a response from you! Please answer! Please answer! Please answer!
The throw certainly was pathetic.
And your comment, since it’s a joke, was in no way classless. See how easy it is? Now you try it. You keep trying to make this about me demanding answers when I’m not entitled to doing so. Instead, it was about your inability or unwillingness to either admit you were wrong or explain why you were right. Your joke is a good one, but it doesn’t do anything to answer the question you were asked, and not just by me.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 24, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Unsportsmanlike play?
Should he intentionally strike out if the Brewers are up by more than 10 runs?
And what is wrong with the quote? He didn’t put down the Pirates. He had a great day and enjoyed it. What should he say? “I apologize for beating the Pirates so badly”? To me, that would be worse than what he said.
You really are looking for something to criticize with Braun.
you cant expect the Brewers to stop playing since the Pirates should still be trying to score.
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Castro Blocker Fan Club
by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 23, 2010 2:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
the quote doesn't seem too bad to me
Braun (and Fielder) are still tools, of course. But also really good at baseball.
I actually think that...
Fielder is kind of a cool guy. For example, I think his uniform style as a tribute to the Negro Leagues is pretty sweet.
Does he do stuff that is lame (like their dumbass celebration routines)? Absolutely. But that notwithstanding, I think he offers a lot of positive characteristics as well.
As for Braun….
by CubsWin!Oregon on Apr 23, 2010 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, I'm not making such a big deal out of it because...
…that’s what Ryan Braun would say. The guy is a jerk, so what else do you expect? Scoring 20 runs is fair game because this is not high school. They’re all professionals on the field.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
personally
I think Fielder’s one of the most classless ones on the field in terms of showing up the pitcher/other players. No matter how many tributes he gives out, he seems like he doesn’t have a whole lot of respect for the dignity of baseball.
by PrincetonCubs on Apr 23, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Two things that I've seen him do make me disagree with you
2009 – tipping his hat to Reed Johnson after Johnson robbed him of a grand slam.
2007 – handing Geovanny Soto his mask and patting him on the backside, after Soto got the better of a collision at home plate and hung on to the ball for the out.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 23, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Fielder is a class act. He also has spent a lot of time signing autographs for kids at Wrigley, and one day (either last year or in 2008, I can’t recall), he got out of a cab and was approached by one of the kids selling candy to raise money for their team.
He gave the kid $100 for the entire box.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That's prettty cool.
I do think he’s had some unfortunate displays of anger, but overall, I think he’s alright.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 23, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Pretty much sums it up.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 23, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Zambrano has been more classless IMHO
But many who are trying to rip Braum and pin a reputation (unwarranted) on Fielder would be quick to defend Zambrano i am sure
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 23, 2010 3:02 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm certainly not defending Zambrano
he needs to tone his antics down, just like Valverde, Papelbon, etc etc
by PrincetonCubs on Apr 24, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Two nights ago he hit a foul ball that drilled a guy in the stands in Pittsburgh.
The guy was rattled, but ok. When Fielder reached on a single later in the at bat, he had the ball pulled and made sure the guy he hit got it.
(Of course, the fan was wearing a Fielder jersey at the time, so maybe that contributed to Fielder’s generosity.)
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 23, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
see below
Also remind folks of the time he had to be restrained from going into the Dodgers locker room because he got hit by a pitch. Not a “class act” move.
by PrincetonCubs on Apr 24, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Whoops - 2008 with the Soto play.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Apr 23, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
exactly. i cant understand why peoplw try and label him classless.
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by Cubbie-Tim on Apr 23, 2010 2:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Fair enough
and I remember the Reed moment. But all I have to point to is…
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=6511913
in my view, there’s a fine line between the good ol’ home plate celebration, and then choreographing a routine. That was Ochocinco-esque.
by PrincetonCubs on Apr 24, 2010 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
The comment doesn't really bother me...at least not much...
but I can’t stand Braun.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
Macha subbed out the heart of the lineup
Joe Inglett and Craig Counsell got multiple at bats. The third base coach started automatically putting up the stop sign on runners.
Plus, hey, both Charlie at the Pirates SBN blog and Al agree that the Brewers aren’t a very good team so you can hardly blame them for doing well when they get a chance.
I really didn't have a problem with Braun's comments here.
I don’t particularly care for him, but these comments are pretty tame.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I forgot – he also had 2 pitchers hit who didn’t pitch the next inning. I’m pretty sure I got that right. Vargas who doesn’t swing and Parra who got a hit and an RBI!
You don't want the other team to score 20 runs
then pitch better. And shut up.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
The Pirates are a disgrace to the game of baseball
They should fold right now and give every opponent a forfeit victory. They are just fleecing their fans.
Nothing about baseball would be worse if they vanished.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Don't look now, but they're ahead of us.
As my wife reminds me on a daily basis.
Questions and observations:
- Are we being fleeced? Should we forfeit our games?
- If the Pirates folded, could we pick up Andrew McCutchen? He seems like a talented player with a good attitude and work ethic. I hope he doesn’t disappear. Garrett Jones, too.
- Man, you sure hate Pittsburgh. (As we’ve discussed before.)
- Thanks for sticking up against the inappropriate language yesterday.
"It's Spring Training. You know how many home runs Barry Bonds hit off me? One - in Spring Training." - Big Z
I hope Rami
can be classless the next 3 nights just like Braun. I’ll take a few 20-0 wins and Rami going nuts getting out of his early season woes.
I see nothing wrong with his comments.
His point, regarding failure, is that hitters are darn good if they fail 7 out of 10 times and it’s rare to have a game where almost everyone doesn’t fail.
I see no problem with piling runs on either. Last I checked, there’s no clock in baseball and it’s always possible, no matter how unlikely, that a team could come back. As long as the players aren’t gloating and rubbing it in, it’s the professional thing to do.
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