OT: iPhone or Droid in Chicago?
Remember, this is OT, so I don't want any complaints that I should have posted this on my Facebook.
I live in San Jose, California, but my oldest daughter is going to go to the School of the Art Institute of Chicago (SAIC) in the fall. I am happy that she is going to a great school, but I also hope to finagle this into another Cub game or two at Wrigley each year. SAIC is right next to Millennium Park.
We are planning to get her a smart phone for a graduation present, so I have started to do some research, starting with Consumer Reports. It looks like the best choices are the iPhone with AT&T or the Motorola Droid with Verizon. Since a number of you BCB posters are tech-savvy Chicagoans, I thought that this would be a great place to get some opinions on which way to go. Thanks in advance.
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Absolutely LOVE my iPhone.
Unfortunately, I can’t say the same about AT&T’s service around the city. There are some dead spots, but if you’re getting service the speeds are usually pretty good. You could also give her an iTunes store gift certificate with the phone so she could get a bunch of apps. I think that would be a nice touch that wouldn’t cost you too much additional money.
If you decide to go the iPhone route, do NOT buy one now. Wait for Apple to announce the next iPhone in June (which will go on sale shortly after). It’s going to be one amazing devise.
I’ll let a Droid user comment on that experience, as I would just be guessing based on stuff I’ve read online.
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If going Verizon route...
You may want to consider the HTC Incredible. It is being released on 4/29 and appears to be a step up from the Droid.
I'd wait until summer and get the Sprint HTC EVO.....it's going to blow people's MINDS.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 24, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
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I’ve been watching and waiting for this phone to come out for months (since it was known as the Supersonic). Definitely leaving Verizon and my Droid for this beast come June (6th or 13th)!!!
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by gridiron_assassin on Apr 24, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I have a Samsung Moment.
Happy with it, but I might get the EVO when I can get a deal through my contract.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
This is what I'll be switching to once my AT&T contract is done
Or I may wait for the HTC Incredible
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by Craig in South Bend on Apr 25, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Verizon user with a Droid
and I absolutely love it! I’ve owned it since it came out and I can’t imagine switching to a different phone (except for maybe the Incredible as Ozzzy pointed out above me). Actually, I take that back because I’ll be switching to Sprint for the Evo 4G in June.
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by gridiron_assassin on Apr 24, 2010 4:32 PM CDT reply actions
A computer programmer's opinion and analysis
… but I do know that I consider Apple’s decision to create a closed, restricted development ecosystem, where they have to approve every app that can run on the phone, to be a serious mistake. For every app they have to decide whether they like it enough to sell it themselves, or whether they dislike it enough to ban it. No middle ground. And, honestly, most apps should be in the middle ground. I blogged about this, so you can see a full exposition of this point.
Although I know little about smartphones personally (I don’t even own a cell phone) I have to specifically recommend against the iPhone. So do many of my friends that are also programmers.
Well, sure. Everyone says this. And the iPhone continues to gain marketshare.
They completely control the ecosystem, and rule the entire iTunes/iPhone/iPad universe with an iron fist.
BUT, their phone OS is better than anyone elses (and getting better), and no third-party apps are able to muck up the system.
Basically, you’re trading some modicum of free-market innovation for a guarantee of a smooth-running app ecosystem. Also, it runs with iTunes. That’s more than a little important. In fact, for a teenage-to-college age kid, that’s probably the deciding factor. It’s an overwhelming point in favor…. the iPhone seamlessly replaces your iPod. No other phone can say that.
I am issued a LOT of cell phones for business – and the iPhone is the one I have for personal use. Nothing else – not Android, not BB, and certainly not Windows Mobile – compares at the present time.
Finally – despite the closed, Apple-must-approve App Store… they still have something like 10X the number of apps for any other phone OS. They approve things that compete with their own apps all the time – look at Skype, or WeatherChannel, or Opera Browser.
That said, I agree with the first responder – WAIT UNTIL JUNE. The 4th gen iPhone is packing some serious improvements. It’s going to blow the field away.
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They have 10x as many apps...
… because they had a head start. I like Apple — I have a MacBookPro — but I wasn’t about to switch to AT&T for my service. Not crazy about the idea that I can’t replace the battery in an iPhone like I can easily in my Moment, either.
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Itunes on androids?
There’s an app for that: btunes. Connect your android phone to your phone, then drag and drop your music into the phone. Seamless and easy.
There’s actually like 50 apps for it.
Connect your android phone to your phone?
Did you mean to your computer?
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At the risk of jumping to conclusions.... If she's going to SAIC, she wants an iPhone.
I don’t even know how anyone can make any other recommendation. She’s going to SAIC. She’s creative. Creative types love Apple stuff.
So basically, either you buy the iPhone, or she trades in whatever else she gets for an iPhone.
But wait until June! Get the new iPhone.
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Not if she gets a Droid
unless they help her drop that contract to get with AT&T. I have a Droid and really like it. If Verizon ever gets the iPhone I will probably switch.
by LT on Apr 24, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, AT&T or Verizon is part of the consideration
We have been on Verizon for awhile, but all five of our phones are out of contract right now, so we can switch if it makes sense. Hard to move from Verizon, though, when they are rated best in almost all metro areas.
A definite common thread of good advice here is that we should wait for the new stuff coming this summer – that is always true with tech to some extent, but smart phones seem to really be changing fast right now.
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you should wait if you can
the new droid phone looks good too along with the next generation iPod
by LT on Apr 24, 2010 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
iPhone user here.
Just ask yourself this question, what means more to her, the phone or the service? If phone, go iPhone. If service, go Verizon. Although I will give AT&T credit. They have improved their service by leaps and bounds since I got my iPhone. Service at wrigley and on the El is much better than it used to be.
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by cubswynn on Apr 24, 2010 7:13 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
well
Service should at least be very solid around SAIC, because that’s where she’ll be using it most of the time. Does anyone know if that’s a problem for either Verizon or AT&T?
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Both carriers are generally pretty decent downtown.
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I work 2 blocks from there.
Actually for the sister school of the one she’s attending. But to answer your question, the service is fine downtown.
My biggest problem with AT&T is now when I head back home to Iowa.
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by cubswynn on Apr 25, 2010 6:45 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Around SAIC
there isn’t much for students to do. She’ll probably stay in the dorms for a year or so and then move to the neighborhoods. When she’s not in school, she’ll probably be out and about. Not sure what kind of music or “scene” she’s part of, but if she likes going to see live music, she won’t be seeing it downtown.
Logically, one would assume she’d be using it the most around school, but fact is, she’ll eventually be using it everywhere else more. Especially if she plans on a social life of any kind. Everything to do in the city outside of tourism and museums is in the neighborhoods.
I can tell you that there’s a weird patch along the red line between Granville and Thorndale where AT&T phones notoriously don’t work very well. Not just on the train, but around the neighborhood. My wife has AT&T and when she’s out around that area, I can’t get a hold of her and she can’t get signal.
I have Verizon and I’m happy with it, service wise. I’m not crazy about the phone selection, but I’m intrigued by the Droid and the Incredible. I have an LG Envy, which I’m about as happy with as Z is in the bullpen (see what I did there?). LG’s don’t connected to Apple computers very easily, which sucks since we’re a two Mac household. I have to connect backwards through Bluetooth, which really sucks.
As an adult, I prefer Verizon, because service is a bit more important to me, but I can see a kid being way more into an iPhone. Hope that was helpful.
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Yeah, last year I couldn't get any bars at Wrigley
This year I get full 3G. AT&T’s service is getting better in the city. Also, I would think the iPhone would be better for an SAIC freshman. Unless she’s super tech-savvy, the cultural cache and design elements of the iPhone would probably be of more import to her than the programming advantages of the Droid.
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by mykalmorgan on Apr 26, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
THis is not the droid you are looking for
Motorola is paying a substantial licensing fee to George Lucas as he/Lucasfilm have a trademark on the “droid” name.
Furthermore, the similar phone sold in Australia is named differently because the licensing fees are too expensive.
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by Gibbon Jockey on Apr 25, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Verizon is rock solid in the city, but expensive
I switched to T-Mobile FlexPay a year ago because of cost. The service quality is not nearly as good, especially not when out walking on the street.
My friends with Droids are happy with Verizon. My friends with iPhones are happy with AT&T.
I say give her a little hand-made gift card and let her select once she gets to Chicago. That way she can test out the phone in her apartment and her classroom buildings within the typical 14-day period.
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This may not answer your question...
… but why don’t you ask her which one she wants? I know it may be nice to give her the actual present nicely wrapped as a surprise, but it would probably be more important to give her the phone she wants. I have an iPhone and I love it. I assume many users of android phones love theirs. I feel like you don’t want a situation where you fork over the money for the iPhone and your daughter is thinking “man, wish they would have gotten me an android phone”.
Droid
Love it.
Everything’s customizable on it. Voice searching is awesome. The app store has everything. It’s so fast and powerful. My wife was a diehard iphone person. Then she went and played with the droid in the store. We both now own droids.
As somebody else mentioned, in a week, the HTC incredible is coming and looks pretty awesome at the moment. SO you may want to check that out.
Thoughts so far
I hadn’t considered Sprint before. We used to have AT&T, but switched to Verizon because AT&T reception was terrible at our house. Three months after we switched, AT&T turned on a new cell repeater four blocks away, in front of our middle school. So I know that both of these services will work fine for us. I’ll have to do some research on Sprint in our area.
You guys have pointed out a couple of trends:
1. Android-based phones from a number of companies, especially HTC, are quickly getting much better.
2. The iPhone is also getting better, and the only complaint that I hear about it is related to AT&T service.
Right now, I am leaning towards keeping Verizon and getting the best Android-based phone that they have in mid-summer, probably the HTC Incredible. The early reviews on it are very good, including Consumer Reports.
The point about asking my daughter which she would prefer is a good one, and I might do that. She makes good decisions. However, she agonized over the decision of which school to go to, and I know that she is not eager to do a bunch of research to make a smart phone decision any time soon – and I want to keep the rest of the family on a cell phone plan that is a good deal. She got an iPod for Christmas a few years back, but when it ran out of space, she did a bunch of research on MP3 players and bought a Creative ZEN player. She can see that Apple is great at design, but she found another company that is very good at design and a better value.
Thanks for all of your inputs. The BCB community always comes through.
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You should also check...
… with your employer, to see if they offer discounts via any of the cell carriers. Many employers do.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
This is another good point
For my employer sprint offered the best discount. Verizon and At&t had the same discount but aything iphone related was not subject to the discount. So that was another strike against it for us.
Yes, another good point
My employer has a discount for Verizon, so another tick in the Verizon column
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You know...
I hear all these people talk about AT&T’s service. Granted I’ve only been in Chicago for a month or so now, but I’ve yet to have a single problem. No dropped calls, no dead zones, etc. It’s been flawless for me.
AT&T sucks in Chicago.
The area around the Armitage brown line stop sucks, and there is a bad spot on Michigan near the Northwestern Hospitals, and any sporting event renders the thing unusable… they new red line subway connections barely work for voice… i could go on and on.
And the iPhone makes it all worth it.
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by AndrewJStone on Apr 27, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
The Armitage brown line dead zone always sneaks up on me on my way home. Hate it.
And where I live (Clark and Fullerton-ish), I frequently have issues. Not sure how much of it is my apartment (ground floor or a 7 unit building), but I randomly get voicemails without getting missed calls, text messages show up late, etc…
But like Andrew said, the iPhone makes it all worth it.
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FWIW
I have a Droid, my wife has an iPhone.
We have found that Verizon has much better coverage, has a more reliable 3G network, and has cheaper rates than AT&T. As a rational human being, my wife would certainly drop her iPhone and get a Droid, right? Wrong, she is in love with her iPhone and absolutely will not switch.
My advice, slyly ask your daughter what her preferences are and go with that. I suspect the artist in her would want an iPhone, but you never know until you ask.
To further illustrate my point
Megapixels
iphone – 3.0
Droid – 5.0
3G Talk Time
iphone – 5 Hours
Droid – 6.4 Hours
Multitasking
iphone – No
Droid – Yes
Open Source apps
iphone – No
Droid – Yes
Open source, to me, is key
It allows for greater customization to really personalize the phone.
My wife and I got ours at the same time and there’s no way to tell they’re the same phone once you start using them we each have gotten so many different apps.
You can also view full websites since the screen is so large (non of those crappy mobile versions!).
None of that matters - we are talking about a college art student.
First off, the iPhone does multitask for 1st party apps, and will for all apps in June.
Moreover- the new iPhone (recently leaked) will have a far stronger camera and battery than the Droid.
Finally, the App Store thing isn’t really a “drawback” for Apple. It’s a selling point. They have exponentially more apps available, and because they’re selling so many more apps, more and more developers are jumping on board. Their lead in the app space isn’t something that goes away easily.
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Let's see...
Your first two points have to do with a product that doesn’t even exist yet, and your third point advocates a several positions you obviously know nothing about. For example
- The only reason Apple has more apps is because they had a 3 year head start. And the number of potential Droid app developers far outpaces anything Apple can even dream of. You simply can’t compete against an open source product (Droid) with a product in which all published software requires pre and post authorization from Apple. Plus Apple takes a larger percentage of profits from individual apps. Meaning if a developer wants to make more money, they will publish on a Droid. In other words, it certainly is a drawback.
by Neifi Puppy on Apr 26, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Well... we'll see. First, lets set the record straight.
First, everyone in this thread says to wait until June for iPhone 4. So that’s kind of a given for the purposes of this discussion.
Secondly, both iPhone App Store and Android Market give 70% of sales to devs – so there’s no difference there.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10072682-94.html
Thirdly, the difference in total sales between the Apple App Store and Android Market is gargantuan. Apple’s App Store runs at a $2.4 billion annual pace, while Android Market is at $60 million. Devs are making more in a month (and in some cases, in a day) from App Store sales than the top sellers are in a project lifetime on Android.
That’s probably also why Apple’s lead in available apps is absolutely massive (50,000 vs. 200,000) — and continues to grow.
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/04/26/android-market-hits-50000-apps/
http://www.casualgaming.biz/news/29142/App-Store-revenues-outpacing-Android-Market
That also explains why so many Android app makers are disgruntled with the terrible return on investment (only 4% of Android devs are “happy” with profits) — and some, like GameLoft and id and EA, are bailing on the platform entirely, saying that “the money just isn’t there.”
These discrepancies aren’t minor – they’re massive, and growing. If you’re getting 70% of sales either way – and Apple has 5X the user base and 5X the sales…. well, that explains why Android just hit 50K available apps, and Apple further extended its lead, passing 200K apps in the store.
So, to put it bluntly, Android has fewer devs, fewer apps, and only about 20% of the profit for devs – best case. it’s going to take a game-changer to flip that math — and with the big software houses deciding that it’s not worth the effort to program for Android, I don’t see that happening during in the near-term.
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In short....
Android is what Apple was to Microsoft 10 years ago.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
We're talking about buying a smartphone for the next 2 years.
In theory – sure, I can appreciate the benefits of Android’s hands-off approach to third party software.
In practice, however – I think this is more like the iTunes Music store, all over again. Everyone said that Apple’s DRM was too restrictive – it only worked for one MP3 player, the iPod! There were limits on how you could use your files! PlaysForSure and so on are platform agnostic!
And yet…. Apple sold the most MP3 players by an exponential factor, and utterly dominated the market for going on a decade, to the point that competitors were/are unable to make traction even when (often) selling their downloads for 20% cheaper.
Zune store, MTV Urge Store, Amazon MP3 store – all kinds of DRM-free, cheaper options – and no one could compete in the end — because people liked Apple’s closed ecosystem.
Finally, remember the market. I can guarantee you that, almost without fail, the SAIC kids could care less about the theory behind open source software, and put an serious emphasis on design and style.
There’s a reason why the supposed iPhone killers (Pre, Nexus One, Droid) continue to fall short of expectations, while the iPhone continues to outsell all of them despite being locked to one network and despite essentially no design changes in 3 years.
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All true, but...
…. there’s a market for Android phones, either for those of us who don’t want to switch to AT&T, who like the open source market, or for various other reasons.
Just as there is a market for Mac computers — I have one — for those of us who don’t care for Micro$oft or PC’s.
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Sure, but that's not the point I'm making.
Neifi was claiming that the Android Market is a better value for devs, b/c they got to keep a higher percentage of profits and b/c it’s open source.
I pointed out that it’s not a better environment, first b/c the percentage of profits is identical, and secondly b/c the Android Market sales are 1/40th of the App Store — and that’s why so many devs are cutting Android development out completely.
Obviously, the Android OS is going to continue to be a big (and growing) player in the smartphone space. And while Windows and Palm fall apart (and more people move from Symbian to “smart” OSes), there’s plenty of room for growth for both iPhone and Android in the future, and plenty of chances for devs to make $$ on the Android platform.
But we’re talking about the lifetime of one handset, to be purchased for an SAIC student (!). Whatever “android overtaking iPhone” future may come to pass, it’s not going to happen in the lifespan of the next handset that either of us purchases. There’s a 40X discrepancy in total sales, and Android’s 3rd party devs are getting very loudly disgruntled.
Moreover, again, not to stereotype anyone, but I come into contact with quite a few SAIC types, and let’s just say that style and fashion are a big selling point, while “robustness of opensource programming” isn’t. iPhone works with iTunes, and that’s a killer app for the 18-25 set.
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For a SAIC student, I'd agree.
Now, if it were a computer/engineering student who likes to tinker with devices — Android would probably be a better choice.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Or someone who doesn't want to have to plug in their phone to their computer everytime they want to synch documents, contact, and their calendar....
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by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Also wait until all those High School and College kids have to start paying for their own phones and plans....
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by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Apple's app advantage is due to time
Apple’s app store, as Neifi pointed out, has had a several year head start. Android (the Droid’s operating system) is catching up. Last month the app store was at 38k and is now 50k. So your user base, profits and all that are the same point: Apple’s been at it longer.
Android had the biggest rise in market share he past few months (http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/05/comscore-android-market-share-continues-to-gain-on-the-iphone/), drawing from Palm and Microsoft, I don’t think Apple is far behind in losing some market share.
Android’s advantage is it’s not limited to what apple will let you have (see the debacle about Texts from Last Night getting banned from the apple store). I have an app that gives me up to 7 home screens on my droid that I can add widgets, backgrounds and whatnot too. I don’t think iphone can do that.
Android’s disadvantage is the fragmentation of the versions. Droid is on android 2.1, where older phones are on 1.5 or 1.6 and in between. Some apps don’t work on some of those versions. When 2.2 comes out, it’s at verizon’s discretion when I’ll get that. When google gets that figured out, I’d really for devs to start coming to android more readily.
Uh-oh.
2.2 is coming out? I’d really like to get 2.1 on my Moment first.
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I'm not certain how soon
I’ve seen hints at a couple features but I wouldn’t expect it prior to the fall. I bet they’d also like to launch it with a new phone since it’ll be a big deal and none of the new phones planned for this summer have it as of yet.
2.1 should be out next month for the Sprint Hero and Moment...
there will probably never be a 2.2 update for them though, unless you want to root your phone.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait until a Verizon iPhone is released - we both know what will happen.
iPhone has pretty much held steady at 25% of the smartphone market for some time, and it’s obviously limited by the fact it’s only available on one carrier – and by the fact that it requires a $200-and-up outlay, even with contract.
What we are seeing here is that Palm is basically imploding. And all of their Pre users on the Sprint, Verizon and T-Mobile networks are moving to Droids, Beholds, and Heroes.
Moreover, when we are talking about dev support and app store sales, commscore updates on the smartphone market are only telling one part of the story. iPhone OS is obviously also running on millions of iPod Touches and (now) a million iPads. That’s where the major (40X!) differential in sales ($2.4B vs. $60M) comes into play.
Finally, as you note, the fragmentation of the market is a big factor, and has been cited as a huge reason for devs’ discontent — Google’s hands-off approach creates a wide variety of different handsets capable of doing different levels of processing – why would devs sign up to service a fraction of a market that’s only doing a fraction of the business the App Store is?
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And all of these numbers are supported by other iPhone metrics as well.
iPhone users use the most data, send the most texts, download the most apps, on and on and on.
The fact is, the damn phone is so nice, such a pleasure to use, that you end up on the thing constantly.
I don’t even get my laptop out at night anymore. I can do anything i want – order dinner, stay up to date on the Cubs game, on twitter, on my email, anything else – from my phone just as smoothly as i can with my computer.
I actually prefer the iPhone interface for a lot of things – Tweetdeck, LinkedIn, and Facebook come to mind.
Blackberry users aren’t saying that about their phones. Neither are Android users, nice as the phones are.
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by AndrewJStone on Apr 27, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually...
… I can use my Android phone for a lot of the same things you can do on the iPhone, and do.
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same here...
i ordered pizza on it last night and then watched a couple psych episodes.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 27, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
how's that
Zune store coming?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
the Zune was a flawed idea from inception...
there’s very little correlation between it and what we’re talking about.
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by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
oh, please
like with Windows, the Zune was MS’ attempt at copying Apple. It’s just an MP3 player that’s nearly as expensive, but not nearly as good.
Android isn’t exactly eating up the world, either.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 26, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
words words words
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you sure?
Android isn’t exactly eating up the world, either.
I think you should see these ads. I think that mascot could eat a lot of things.
One more small but VERY important point....
Sprint is currently the ONLY carrier that allows DATA SHARING. A Family EVERYTHING plan covers every line under your contract and you get to use your phone as much as you want however you want.
This was the single biggest factor in my decision on which carrier to choose. Paying for 5 lines is expensive but with AT&T and Verizon you get to enjoy a DATA PLAN CHARGE for each line…which (when you add it all up) is more $ than the entire phone bill. It’s like buying a car and having to pay a separate charge per month if you want to drive on the freeway. DUMB.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2010 12:31 PM CDT reply actions
Just released today...
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http://communications.wireless.att.com/ILWI_Network_Newsletter/news_release.pdf
BTW, we are a bunch of tech-geeks, huh?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Nevermind.
Just because I received it today, doesn’t mean it was released today. Still interesting though.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Both ATT and Verizon have worked on the Blue and Red lines for a while.
That said, I think that my iPhone lost its connection between Grand & Clark/Lake a few weeks back – maybe they’re finally getting a station-to-station solution.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
I have the same problem on the Red Line. Seems to happen when I'm passing the river.
AT&T is definitely playing catch up with Verizon here.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 26, 2010 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Thanks Again, Everybody!
I should have known that I would set off the iPhone-Android Wars here, but I guess that I had my own evil purpose.
I probably will let my daughter make the final decision, but I will have collected all of the relevant information first. We will also wait until all of the phones that are to be introduced through mid-summer are here.
It is clear that the iPhone has the head start on everything. They changed the design point and expectation for smart phones, just like they did for MP3 players a few years back, and just like they did for personal computers a few years before that. They have always been the strongest industrial design house around. Their products just look and feel solid and aesthetically pleasing. That requires a lot of small decisions to be made well.
Having said that, I think that if Google is patient with Android, they can win the battle long-term. There are so many stronger Android phones coming up that it reminds me of the PC vs. Mac wars. Apple lost because they loved those high profits they got from their closed hardware platform. They kept the profit margin, but lost the market. The hardware innovation happened on PCs because the platform was open.
I am still leaning towards keeping Verizon, and going with the best phone that they have available in mid-summer. I will be curious to see if this year’s iPhone manages to keep pace with the Android phones that have already been announced. My daughter is creative with a camera, and the review of the 8M camera in the HTC Incredible makes it sound like a huge improvement from the camera in the current iPhone. That is something tangible. Also, Consumer Reports likes the voice quality of the Motorola Droid better than the iPhone. I know that this is an incredibly pedestrian thing to rate a smart phone on (voice call quality!), but she’s my first born, I’m gonna miss her.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
A late comment for anyone who looks at this again
My faith in BCB was fully supported by this article.
I think that you guys compiled the data about as well as this staffer at Yahoo, since I read all of the relevant stuff in this FanPost first. The Yahoo article:
iPhone vs. Android
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk

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