Cubs Walk Away With Extra-Inning Win Over Nationals
On a chilly night at Wrigley Field, with the wind blowing in at close to 20 MPH (it knocked down several fly balls, including one by Derrek Lee that was nearly an opposite-field home run), many of the announced 37,850 in attendance (probably closer to 27,000 in the house) left early, presumably to watch the Blackhawks clinch their first-round playoff series against the Predators.
Congratulations to the Blackhawks!
And congratulations to the Cubs, whose fourth straight win put them back at the .500 mark. They drew eight walks and defeated the Nationals 4-3 on one of them, a four-pitch, bases-loaded walk drawn by Aramis Ramirez off Brian Bruney.
The other run-scoring walk was also on four pitches, issued to starting pitcher Carlos Silva in the second inning. In addition to his fine pitching so far this year, Silva became the first Cub pitcher with two RBI on the season.
Silva was just as sharp as he had been in his first three starts, though some of the ground balls found holes; all seven hits he gave up were singles and the only really hard-hit ball was the last out he recorded, a fly ball to the deepest part of center field by Ian Desmond. This ball would have been a long home run on most days, but the strong wind held it up and Marlon Byrd caught it on the warning track. Silva walked one -- he now has walked only three in 26 innings -- and though his ERA went up, it's still a very good 1.73.
The real drama, before the Cubs' winning rally, came in the eighth inning when Carlos Zambrano was summoned from the bullpen with a runner on first and one out. He gave up another hit, that bounced just out of reach of Ramirez, and then turned on the Z we know. He got Adam Kennedy to pop up and then struck out Wil Nieves on a 3-2 pitch, with the remnants of the crowd on its feet cheering loudly.
You don't get that in the second inning, not that loud, anyway.
Z then retired the Nats in order in the ninth, although two of the outs were fairly loud fly balls.
The Cubs likely should have won the game in the last of the ninth. After Alfonso Soriano led off with a walk -- one of three he drew in the game; that's only the second time since he's been a Cub that he's drawn three walks in a game -- Lou sent Koyie Hill up to bat for Geovany Soto, obviously to bunt.
Now. There has already been a FanShot posted questioning this strategy, and I understand the questioning, based on Soto being one of the hottest hitters in the league and having already walked once in this game himself (his 15 walks rank tied for seventh in the NL with Derrek Lee). I suppose Lou's fear was that Soto would hit the ball on the ground and a double play would result. I can see both sides of this argument. It turned out badly when Hill put down a bunt that got to pitcher Tyler Walker too quickly; Walker threw Soriano out at second.
Or, at least that's what 2B umpire Gerry Davis said. In a season with many bad calls already made, this was one of the worst. Desmond's foot was pretty far off the base by the time Walker's throw got there -- Soriano was clearly safe. This would have been an excellent time to call for replay, if MLB would get its head out of the proverbial sand and approve its use for plays like this.
All wound up well when Bruney lost all control in the last of the tenth; give some credit to D-Lee, incidentally. After going 0-for-4 in the first eight innings with three groundouts (though his fly to right in the 8th would have likely been a HR on most days), he worked Bruney for a walk before Marlon Byrd blooped a single between fielders in short right, setting up A-Ram for his walkoff walk.
The Cubs remained 2.5 games behind the Cardinals, who came from behind to beat the Braves; apart from the Cardinals (12-7) and Pirates (7-12), the other 14 teams in the National League are all within three games (11-8 by the Phillies, Giants and Padres, to the 8-11 of the Braves and Reds). This will take a while to sort itself out; the Cubs can push themselves to the top of this heap with more wins at home this week. Meanwhile, the Pirates are probably looking forward to the day that they don't have to face the Brewers for a while. Come to think of it, maybe they should just forfeit the next two games in Milwaukee -- the "official" score of a forfeited game is 9-0. That would be closer than two of the four games so far between the two clubs (and not that much worse than the other two).
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love this site and hope cubs continue playing well
by mitchbleedingblue on Apr 27, 2010 7:46 AM CDT reply actions
welcome, mitch!
"I mean, if we can’t take Colvin after the spring he’s had, something is wrong," -- Lou
Welcome to the fold!
"Juuuuuuussst a bit outside. He tried for the corner and missed..."
- Harry Doyle
by Rusty in Peoria on Apr 27, 2010 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Hi Mitch!
Should we do a sing-a-long with you? How about a round of “Go Cubs Go”?
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
He looks more like Dale Earnhardt!
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
Bad joke
What do you get when you are stung by a bee and bitten by a mosquito at the same time?
Sting along with Itch.
"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
That picture of Mitch reminds me of that game/plaything back when I was a kid
Kinda hard to describe but it was a board, maybe 8×10, with a big line-drawn face on it. Had a clear plastic covering over it and a bunch of little magnetized flakes inside. Then you took this red plastic stylus which had a little magnet on the end, and used it to drag-n-drop the little flakes on the face. You could give the face a big afro, bushy eyebrows, fu manchu, etc. I always went with the big muttonchop sideburns…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Wooly Willy?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
oh yeah
I remember those!
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Apr 27, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
That's the one -
Thanks for the confirmation that I wasn’t just hallucinating as a kid from sniffing all that Elmer’s glue…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Sounds interesting.
Hope you tell us more stories of your buddies like the one about the wife obsessed with Sax…made my night lol
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Glad to have you here, Mitch
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Welcome Mitch!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 27, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
It was also my first time! (TWSS?)
I thought I’d get right into it with some analysis below, but dangit I want to be a part of the welcome wagon!
Welcome to you too!
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Apr 27, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Welcome to you as well!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 27, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Howdy to the two of you
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by eths on Apr 27, 2010 4:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Nice to see the Cubs focus after the Ump blew that call in the ninth
And given it was a trap game to begin with…so much emotion and runs scored the previous weekend…add in that it’s been awhile since they had a day off! Great effort all around.
And yeah, I saw the Brewers taking out their frustrations on the Pirates again..the schedule isn’t working out well for the Pirates…arrrrrrrrrrrr. If the Cubs are to go anywhere this year, we certainly need to take most of the games against Pittsburgh.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 7:46 AM CDT reply actions
if MLB would get its head out of the proverbial sand
Not how I thought that sentence was going to end.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Like an ostrich?
nah…you were thinking something potty mouth weren’t ya?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure that's where I thought it was going.
The potty-mouth direction, that is. :)
"Juuuuuuussst a bit outside. He tried for the corner and missed..."
- Harry Doyle
by Rusty in Peoria on Apr 27, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm deeply disappointed and shocked he didn't take the bait.
I’m sure there’s a swear word in there somewhere..buried in that cheesehead.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
For the first the the KILLER Cs (with help by Sean) get the Win!
I listened to the audio archive of the game this morning. A strange but satisfying win…
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Whereabouts are ya at eths?
I was out at Bremen and Jena for a month mostly two years ago…loved the scenery but it did get frustrating sometimes looking up line scores only. Had too much family around there to make watching MLB tv worth purchasing.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Germany
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
@Twitter as @brommmietze
Munich in Bavaria
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
@Twitter as @brommmietze
Man I wish I had gone there.
My brother hosted me, teaching in Bremen and had just made a long trip to Munich so he didn’t want to go there again…and tortured me instead telling me how much fun it was to visit. I did visit a Cheers in Jena that was interesting…had all the trappings of a Cheers there, yet only would show soccer on the tvs. I asked the bartender if I could put the Cubs on satellite on one screen..and he just looked at me, gave me a draft and said in broken english, why would anyone want to watch basssball?
On the plus side, Jena is a University town that had nude sunbathing in the park in the middle of the campus.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Should note
We intend to do the beer halls, Marienplatz and nearby architecture, Dachau, the English garden, and probably a palace or two. Anything other than those? :)
I was there for two weeks a long long time ago
but I remember a fun outing into the Black Forest. And there’s a great museum on an island in the river that is very much like the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. In fact, I think the MSI might have been modeled on the one in Munich. I believe it’s called the Deutsches Museum.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Apr 27, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah that one's cool.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
The Zeiss building mall is very cool.
Yeah there’s plenty of beer halls with great draft beer there. There’s some cool old city gate remnants to look at, I loved the homemade bratwurst stands (had a local show me the best ones…look like a huge U with a postage stamp bun, delish). I’d just start in the middle of the town and walk around, there’s some great pubs in the middle of the town square for Mojitos and dancing as well.
Hmm, also, the old University bulidings near the railroad station were cool to see. I went to see the University museum in the middle of the city but it cost like 7 euro and didn’t seem to be that great…and I have to say it’s way too cold now to have any beauties sunbathing darn it lol.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
In addition to the beer halls, I believe Augustiner has a very large beer garden
somewhere in the town center. Really pleasant spot if the weather’s nice.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Apr 27, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
That's near the city square with the statue of the founder of the town.
Went there at night for a 32 ounce dark draft. Sigh. Beer will never taste like that here. My taste buds had a party at whatever pub we were near…plus near that garden was a dance club with glass windows on a building nearby, you got to to drink and watch some chickies dancing for your entertainment.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I love the beer but they are often overfilled
http://www.augustiner-braeu.de/
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
@Twitter as @brommmietze
Oh, before I forget, you can kayak and canoe down the river nearby.
It’s really pretty seeing the countryside nearby if you have time…more castles to see. There’s also some mountain you can climb near the city with a restaurant at the top, where you can see a spectacular view of the city from it.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
No problem, enjoy yourself.
The train that runs through the city will drop you off pretty much from anywhere near the outskirts of town. Though if you’re staying in a hotel in the city you won’t need the train pass. I was able to function without knowing more than Tchuss and bitte there, most of the shop owners know english and the people are pretty helpful if you ask.
Watch out for the hairy pits lol
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Mountain with view of Munich and a resturant?
A hill maybe, but not a real mountain. Do you remember the name of the hill and/or restaurant?
I can think of several restaurants on the peaks of mountains, but they are all well outside of the city.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
@Twitter as @brommmietze
Yeah it wasn't a mountain. But I meant of Jena, not Munich
We just started walking up a spiral on large hill on the edge of the city, ending at the top at a restaurant. The lady who lived in the city told us there was a wedding there that night so we couldn’t eat there, but the view was spectacular with all the city lit up. Wish I could remember the name.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Suggestions for Munich
Sightseeing
- Marienplatz
- Viktualienmarkt
- Residenz
- Nymphenburg
- Schleissheim
- Flugwerft Schleissheim
- Pinakothek museums
- Glyptothek
- Lenbachhaus (unfortunately closed for renovation – Blaue Reiter Collection)
- Deutsches Museum
- Olympia Park
- KZ-Gedenkstätte Dachau
- Old City of Dachau
- Starnberger See
- Take the train to Prien am Chiemsee, and then a boat to Frauenchiemsee and/or Herrenchiemsee
- Salzburg, Austria is also not too far
The Beer Gardens I like:
- Hirschgarten
- Englischer Garten – Chinesischer Turm
- Andechs
- Aying
- Nockherberg
- Waldwirtschaft
- Hofbräukeller (my “living room”)
Do not go to the Hofbräuhaus. We locals tend to avoid the place because of all the tourists!
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
@Twitter as @brommmietze
Germany's oldest McDonalds
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@Twitter as @brommmietze
While you are in the neighborhood
Don’t miss the new Porsche museum in Stuttgart.
by Clark Addison on Apr 27, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
The new BMW Center in Munich is not bad either

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Headquarters
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Chiemsee Link failure, this one is correct
http://www.chiemsee.de/en/index
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@Twitter as @brommmietze
How'd you get to be a Cubs fan, eths?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Grew up in Chicago (North Side)
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
@Twitter as @brommmietze
Cool, figured that...but
What brought you to Germany? Marry a Deutschland Madchen?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
German Father, English Mother,
They met in Philadelphia, got married in London, had me in Philadelphia and moved to Chicago when I was 9 months old. Our family moved to Germany when I was 16 (over 30 years ago).
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
@Twitter as @brommmietze
Wow, you're quite the world traveler.
4 years of high school German left with little besides a knowledge of swear words, greetings, and odd things like du hast ein vogel in der kopf. I was pleasantly surprised to see the patience of people there in Deutschland when I visited…someone would try to help when I couldn’t understand.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Holy thanks, eths!
Have to admit I’m mildly interested in finding the swastikas in the pattern on the ceiling in the Hofbräuhaus. Will we still be friends if stop by for a single drink?
I never noticed any, but then I never really looked.
Besides, most of the building was rebuilt after the war:
On the night of April 25, 1944, the first airborne bombs struck the Hofbräuhaus. Three subsequent air raids almost completely destroyed the building. When the weapons finally fell silent in Germany on May 8, 1945, only a small section of the main beer hall was still operational – all other rooms had been destroyed.http://www.hofbraeuhaus.de/en/01/hist_1944_en.html
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
@Twitter as @brommmietze
Visiting Dachau sounds a little depressing.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
So is visiting Auschwitz.
If ever I felt as if entities that I could not see were present, Auschwitz was the place.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 27, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I know this is off topic, but Dachau is a beautiful old town with a very, very ugly blemish.
The KZ is in Dachau was not very large, and the number of deaths was no where near as high as in other camps. But it was the first one and served as a model for the later “killing factories.”
It is an extremely depressing place to visit.
But it is essential to visit places like this, so that the horrors are never forgotten.

"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
@Twitter as @brommmietze
You certainly have a point there.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed about the need to visit these places.
I visited Mauthausen and found it to be one of the most worthwhile and moving experiences I’ve had. While we can never fully grasp the level of horror, being there allows you a greater understanding and emotion.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Apr 27, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
The swastikas I was referring to were actually painted after the war
But were apparently recently removed:
I've been to Munich before,
In July 2002.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 27, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
OT: But did anyone see Greg Zaun having trouble getting the ball back to the pitcher on SportsCenter?
I seem to remember him throwing one in the dirt against the Cubs. Is he going through the same mental thing as the catcher in Major League: Back to the Minors??
Hahaha
I was watching that. He threw 2 over Gallardo’s head and 1 past him on the ground. Miller Park gave him a loud cheer when he finally got the ball back to him.
Maybe Zaun should start reading women’s magazines like Rube Baker did to take his mind off of it.
There you go--Rube Baker.
I’m glad somebody else has seen it. I’m embarrassed to say I have…at least 6 times.
How about Sgt Thomas Highway in Heartbreak Ridge?
Cracked me up when Marsha Mason busted him in his truck watching her with those magazines.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions
one of
Client Eastwood’s best
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Apr 27, 2010 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Clint ^
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Apr 27, 2010 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions
more like down and out
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Apr 27, 2010 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions
You mean In and Out?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I've seen that movie a bunch of times
I like Scott Bakula and Jensen Daggett is adorable.
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Apr 27, 2010 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey Rube
Let me ask you something? If I asked you to change the oil in my car, could you do it? Um…no, not really. Ok, well if I asked you to build me something from wood, like a boat…you think you could do that? Uh, no I don’t think I could do that either. So, it’s safe to say your skills lend themselves strickly to baseball, would I be right in saying that? Uh…yeah, I guess you could say that! Good, cause if I ever see you tank another throw again, I’m cutting your ass! So I suggest you start making your throws, or start learning a new skill.
Mackey Sasser...
Former catcher for the Mets had the same problem. And it was Major League 2, not Major League 3: Back to the Minors.
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by jameslcrockett on Apr 27, 2010 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Gah!
This happened to me in high school — I couldn’t get the ball back from first base to the pitcher. I LOATHED pickoff attempts and I ended up running the ball back to the pitcher. I loathed running too. My life sucked.
I spend at least 40% of my time coaching little league
yelling “GET THE BALL BACK TO THE PITCHER ON THE FLY!”
Joy.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 27, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Chuck Knoblauch (sp)
I remember his career fell apart after he couldnt throw to first anymore. Amazing how the game is so mental.
“Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical.” -Yogi Berra
Was it just me or did Bruney look like he gave up against A Ram?
…He had a look on his face that just said “I cant throw a strike right now, so lets just get this over with”
Which was fine with me so I could get back to the Hawks game! My finger hurts from flipping back and forth, although the Hawks got the most TV time in my house last night….
I thought
the ump was squeezing him. That last pitch was just above the belt and right down the middle. Not that I’m unhappy the Cubs won :) – take ’em any way you can get ’em
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Apr 27, 2010 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions
nah...
ump wasn’t calling the high strike the whole game… and when you’re as wild as Bruney has been, you don’t get that call (or the call that was right below the strike zone either.
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by jameslcrockett on Apr 27, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
All I saw was the MLB Gameday feed
And several of those 10th inning pitches of Bruney’s were close. But it seems like it’s been that way a lot this year. The strike zone is somewhat like a box of chocolates in 2010.
"Juuuuuuussst a bit outside. He tried for the corner and missed..."
- Harry Doyle
by Rusty in Peoria on Apr 27, 2010 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions
While Gameday is close to accurate....
… you can’t necessarily use that as a 100% true representation of every pitch.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Definitely agreed.
But when you’re in Peoria and you don’t have CSN Plus and you don’t subscribe to the MLB TV feed, it’s the only option you have. :)
"Juuuuuuussst a bit outside. He tried for the corner and missed..."
- Harry Doyle
by Rusty in Peoria on Apr 27, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
True enough.
And Gameday is much improved over what it used to be, too.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
"when you’re as wild as Bruney has been, you don’t get that call"
I’d just like to call out that I HATE this aspect of baseball. Aces get strike calls nobody else does, people who piss off umps do not, and a guy who’s struggling needs to throw a particularly hittable pitch to get a call.
Why is this acceptable again?
it certainly shouldn't be
mistakes made by the ump are one thing; favoring or squeezing players shouldn’t just be brushed off as “part of the game.”
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Apr 27, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
because...
it’s all a judgment call. Every pitch thrown is. Until computers are running the show, we just have to deal with it. I’m saying… if it was one of our pitchers up there and he couldn’t locate his pitches, I wouldn’t expect him to get borderline pitches.
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by jameslcrockett on Apr 27, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Each pitch should be a relatively independent event
Although that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be compared to the overall body of pitches so far (if an ump is calling everything low a strike, he should continue to do so). Just that the current pitcher shouldn’t be given a different zone than anyone else in the game.
If Halladay throws a pitch in exactly the same spot as Bruney, I don’t care who’s been hot and who’s been cold – it should be a strike for both guys.
not the point...
none of those pitchers were absolutely, 100% locks to call a strike. Every ball thrown is a judgement call. Every single one whether it is right down the middle or a pick’em.
Listen… even if you had a computer doing it… batters and pitchers and coaches, fans, broadcasters, everyone… would still complain about borderline pitches. It’s no different than any other sport.
I’ve always believed the purpose of human arbiters is to give us somewhere to focus our displeasure and take the heat. None of these decisions are going to be always right or always wrong… and if you want them to go your way, you be as consistent as you want the umps to be. Bruney isn’t… therefore the borderline calls are rarely going to go his way.
Like it or not, live with it, because as long as humans play this game, it’s never going to change.
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by jameslcrockett on Apr 27, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
*pitches, obv.
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by jameslcrockett on Apr 27, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
replay...
… showed it was pretty high, just at the bottom of the “Cubs” logo on Aramis’ jersey as it crossed the zone. Some days its a strike, some days it isn’t.
This year,
I’ve noticed that consecutive pitches in the exact same area are called different things. One is a ball, the other is a strike.
However, I do not believe replay is needed for this. The games would be longer than they already are.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 27, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree...
I was just saying that on the replay of game-ending ball four, while it could have been called a strike, it would have been a the top end of the strikezone. It was borderline, not just above the belt.
True.
It all comes back to how the home plate umpire sees them.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 27, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
He sure looked whipped
Though I’d say there’s an equal chance that was a Mitch the “Wild Thing” or Ankiel moment. He looked bewildered and confused as well.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
After ball 4, which wasn’t that far off from a strike, I looked back to see his reaction and Bruney was half way to the dugout.
Speaking of homers that might of been ...
I thought Soriano’s blast in the second would have been gone most nights.
Silva impressed me for sure last night.
He didn’t seem to have his best stuff but gutted it out and came up with a good performance. I doubt he will ever have a very low era given he pitches to contact, but he still managed to keep the Cubs in the game. Here’s hoping he can do this the rest of the season.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 8:06 AM CDT reply actions
I like the way he pitches,
works quickly, throws strikes, keeps the ball down, everything you want in a pitcher. I really hope this holds for the duration of his time as a Cub. He’s also strong enough to consistently throw 110 pitches per outing.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
Right, but...
… because he throws strikes, he may never have to throw that many. 90 in 7 innings last night — impressive.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Good point.
Aren’t we all pleasantly surprised so far? Maybe shocked is a better word.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
On TV last night, Brenly made interesting points
on Silva praising Rothschild’s help and how the Roths’ coaching has made all the difference. BB then pointed out that Rothschild had a specific plan for Silva when they acquired him and Silva has shown maturity by sticking to the plan.
Good Stuff.
may addition by subtraction be real
by N Oakley on Apr 27, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of Brenly,
I thought their ribbing of Santo with the cut lip was pretty good. I know Ron is the brunt of jokes for his Cubs passion but singing the 7th inning with that white tape on his lip and Len and Bob both with white tape on theirs was pretty funny.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
They do seem to be having more fun this year
I was cracking up seeing them with the tape on their lips. I bet Ron heard their earlier comments given he changed his tape from a large strip to a small bullseye type bandage.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Only Ronnie could be scheduled to sing TMOTTBG
and switch from an electric razor to a blade and remove half his lip requiring a giant bandage. He may be the Chief Inspector Dreyfus of baseball player/broadcasters.
may addition by subtraction be real
It is puzzling he choose yesterday to use a razor...though I didn't hear that part.
But given he’s a diabetic, it wouldn’t take much of a slip to produce a cut that wouldn’t stop bleeding.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not surprised by the cut, it's the timing of the change
so he had to stand up and sing with his lip covered with what looked like a large white moustache.
may addition by subtraction be real
yeah
Pat said something to the effect that he was a new spokesman for the Got Milk campaign.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
Heard that...cracked me up
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I enjoyed that
comment of Pat’s too
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
By the time Ron sang the stretch...
he had changed the bandage to a round, flesh-colored bandage. But the huge white one they showed earier in the game was hilarious…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
He does seem to be having a lot more mishaps lately, doesn't he?
Poor guy.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
Sure is nice to hear Rothschild being a good tutor.
You hear so much about Duncan’s genius all the time, that hearing it about your own feels that much better.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if there's any research ...
on whether contact pitchers like Silva fare in the NL versus AL. I know Silva was successful with the Twins …
Silva’s been great. It’s nice to have a scrap-heap guy pay off.
Just ribbing you, Al. I know the particulars of the Silva acquisition.
LMAO
Seriously, though… there have been quite a number of AL pitchers who have come to the NL and had success, particularly the NL Central.
At least in their first year. Call it the “Bronson Arroyo Effect”.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Absolutely.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Carlos turns into a pumpkin this summer — and I’m not looking forward to him facing lineups like the Phillies.
That said, he’s exceeded my expectations so far, so I’d be happy to be wrong again.
If that happens....
… that will mean the return of Zambrano to the rotation.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Right.
And, hopefully, we will have acquired a Bob Howry-style setup man by then.
+2005
"Juuuuuuussst a bit outside. He tried for the corner and missed..."
- Harry Doyle
by Rusty in Peoria on Apr 27, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
2007 works for me
Howry was really good in his first two years with the Cubs.
I know it doesn't apply to Arroyo
but I would call a pitcher having success coming from the AL to the NL Central the “Really? I get three or four starts this year against both the Reds AND the Pirates?” Effect.
The Reds actually have a pretty good offense.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
'Tis a fare fare better thing he does than he has ever ...
sorry, but at least it wasn’t Shakespeare this time!
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Apr 27, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
To win, or not to win...
"Juuuuuuussst a bit outside. He tried for the corner and missed..."
- Harry Doyle
by Rusty in Peoria on Apr 27, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah, didn't see that.
I remember all the Shakespeare talk last week. Not surprising “To win or not to win” already came up. :)
"Juuuuuuussst a bit outside. He tried for the corner and missed..."
- Harry Doyle
by Rusty in Peoria on Apr 27, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Silva so far
I think we’d all agree he’s a huge improvement over Bradley!
"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry
yeah, we're winning games with Silva YAAAAAYYYYYY!
He makes me happy!
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Apr 27, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Silva has already been more valuable to the Cubs in 4 games...
than Milton was in 124.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 27, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Colvin, Theriot and Byrd leading the offense
And how is Soriano suddenly getting base on balls? He now has seven for the season but three or four in the last 3-4 games?
What has been a constant over the first 20 games a genuine benchmark is that the starting pitching is a consistent force, offense is spotty-streaky, defense at times suspect and other times good, middle relief is like the rest of the league——providing offensive opportunities.
Zambrano looks emotionally right in a relief role—-I see the next closer and Marmol back to his comfort zone.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
You don't think Marmol is comfortable closing?
I think he relishes it.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I'd agree with you there
Marmol does look comfortable (at least so far this year), and it’s a much different thing to close than pitch the eighth. Z would have to have success for a lot longer before you’d have him spell Marmol …or at least be put in there for a blowout.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Pitchers thought they could get Sori
To K by throwing him junk. If he continues to lay off of the junk, he’ll force the pitcher to throw him better pitches and he could go on a serious tear. He just needs to remember to be patient.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Apr 27, 2010 8:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
3 walks last night showed a different, more patient Soriano
If he can keep that up, he’s gonna have a much better season this year. I was very encouraged to see them win with two walks…I doubt that would have been possible last year, even if the game winning one looked like the ump was cold and wanted to go home.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs are now...
… fifth in the NL in both walks and OBA, and seventh in runs (three runs behind the Rockies, in 6th place).
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
All thanks to the...
witchcraft of Rudy Jaramillo!
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by digitalbenjamin on Apr 27, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
too bad it took him until age 34
to realize this.
Well, in all fairness...
… it didn’t much seem to hurt him for the first 32 or 33 years of his life.
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by AndrewJStone on Apr 27, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd say so.
I think Fonzy wanted to come out of the slump last year, he certainly had to be aware of swinging at all those outside low pitches as well as high heat. Seems like the only difference is the new hitting coach. Let’s hope he continues his patient approach.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
20 games into the season.
But these are hopeful signs. Hopefully they turn into trends….looooooong trends.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
If anybody on the team says "it's because of Rudy,"
then Jaramillo is worth it.
may addition by subtraction be real
Considering how little he makes relative to the overall payroll
And that any other hitting coach was going to cost money as well – I don’t see why everyone gets up in arms about it (or, did before the bats came alive). If he helps us squeeze even a win or two more out of our bats, his salary is a worthwhile investment.
More positive outcomes from Big Z's pen move
I know I may be coming back to something that may be a dying topic but I think Big Z’s move to the pen did two things:
1) It said to everyone: “Hey guys, man up and play because not one of you is safe if you aren’t producing” — this point is often just implied but mostly taken for granted.
B) It allowed Z to demonstrate some of his leadership skills. Chin up, he went to the pen because that’s what’s going to help us win. The team took his lead — they are rejuvenated, they look like they are having fun and they are playing well.
Are they making Tyler Colvin jersey’s yet??
I think so ...
saw a guy on TV wearing one last night.
I'm not so sure about this "man up" business. Z wasn't pitching so badly that he
needed to be moved to the pen. He was moved because they had no other good option. If they had moved Gorz or Silva and had gotten the same result, then what? We sometimes put to much stoke in “sending a message”. The Cubs are winning because they are getting timely hitting and excellent pitching. Sometimes it takes a while for guys to get into grooves, but I wouldn’t necessarily attribitue it to sending any messages.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Apr 27, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Cubs are hedging
if it works…great…
if it doesnt ….Z will get boo’d, be mad that he is in the pen and demand a trade…thus the Cubs get out of his salary….or most of it
by cozmotaylor123 on Apr 27, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
If you are going to the Game Tonight - Brrr!
Monday night was a chilly game and Tuesday does not appear to be much better. Maybe a little lower wind – weather.com say NNE at 12 mph. Bundle up and have an Old Style for interior warmth.
The wind Monday affected more than just home run balls. Props to Theriot for making a difficult pop-up catch to end the top of the second inning. Theriot ran out to shallow left, then had to run in behind second to make the catch. The batter, Adam Kennedy, was standing on second when Theriot caught the ball.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
It was cold but tolerable.
If it’s less windy tonight, even with cool temperatures, it will be fine.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Definitely Tolerable
I sat in Outfield Terrace Reserve section 240 – right field corner. So I was right in last night’s jet stream.
It helped when people sat in front of us as wind blockers. We almost had 3 women convinced their seats were right in front of us.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Apr 27, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Appreciate the advice-
especially the Old Style. I may add something from Goose Island beforehand too if we get down there early enough.
We will be in the upper deck tonight. I’m planning to wear a turtleneck, a t-shirt, a jersey, a hooded sweatshirt and my new Cubs coat and for once I’m not going to care how fat I look. I fear people will mistake me for Lou Piniella though. At least I’ll be warm.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
If you are in the upper deck...
… wear as many layers as you think you need. And then add a couple.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
LOL - just don't walk really, really, slowly to the mound
I would advise long johns. Enjoy!
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Apr 27, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I do have to give props to Theriot for making that highlight reel catch.
Given his usual defensive capabilities it seems only fair, he really had to scramble hard to make that catch.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
It won't make the highlight reel
The ball stayed in the air too long!
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Apr 27, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Very important games
We need to get above .500 and stay there. I know no one game is more important than others on the 162 game schedule but good teams get above .500 and stay there. Win streaks throughout the season get a team 5 games over then 10 over. Our starting pitching has been way too good not to be over .500. Let’s get there and stay there.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
Good to see Ramírez smiling again.
He’ll be alright.
Silva has been impressive. And if Zambrano’s move rights the bullpen, I expect many more wins in the next few months.
In other topic, it’s strange to see Zambrano in the striped or gray jerseys.
Yeah I was surprised to see Z wearing the pinstripes as a starter earlier this year.
I like them but he never did. Just shows you how much of an effect Jerseys have.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
His complaint about them
Was that the giant C patch on the left breast felt uncomfortable while he was pitching. Didn’t seem to bother him last night, though.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
That's really a strange comment, because...
… the blue alt jerseys also have a large patch on the left side.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Y'know, you're right
And as I was typing that, I was thinking it was a strange complaint from a righty. Thinking on it a bit, I may be confused about what he said was uncomfortable – initially choosing the alt blues for road games because the CHICAGO across the chest didn’t feel right.
Mea culpa.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
It's still a weird reason to not like a jersey.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The letters are fairly stiff
They don’t flow along with the rest of the jersey. But you get used to it after a while (or you wear an undershirt). Z may have just been making up an excuse for preferring the alt blues, though. Something better than “I think they look cooler.”
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I'm hoping this is the last discussion of Z's left breast on here...
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
You know you like it
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Shhhh...I'm not ready to come out of the closet yet.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
So his right one is still up for discussion, then.
"Juuuuuuussst a bit outside. He tried for the corner and missed..."
- Harry Doyle
by Rusty in Peoria on Apr 27, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I need mind bleach now
Oh the humanity.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh for the love of Pete
“Was that the giant C patch on the the part of his uniform that sits over the left side of his chest…”
Better now, Nancy?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Better than saying the letters were stiff on his left breast making it not "feel right"
I do hope you realize I’m messing with ya lol
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
He wore the white jersey that start because it was Jackie Robinson Day...
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by carmen_fanzone on Apr 27, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
The pinstripes are slimming.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Apr 27, 2010 8:26 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
So he must not wear many rugby shirts then...
"Juuuuuuussst a bit outside. He tried for the corner and missed..."
- Harry Doyle
by Rusty in Peoria on Apr 27, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions
C'mon Z.
Slap a couple of band aids over those puppies and get in there!

"Look, what do you want me to do?"
scrolling down
I was fairly worried about this picture. :P
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 27, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Comcast this morning
Hyped an interview with Z and it was hyped that he didn’t like his new role. Then, during the interview, he said all the things that have been quoted and said he was told the move was temporary. It was twisted that he didn’t like the move. We don’t need our journalists starting a controversy by twisting this stuff and blowing it out of proportion. Did anyone else see this?
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
The radio this morning kept re-using a sound bite from Z where he says:
“I’m not ’appy ’appy” about the bullpen stint. Sorry for the apostrophes, but the man didn’t pronounce any h in the quote.
may addition by subtraction be real
Yeah, typical sports radio. They left out the rest of the quote, which is...
“But I feel good to help my team and will do everything to help solve the problem. A different Carlos wouldn’t be smiling right now. He would be (ticked) off or disagreed with the manager. I agree. I feel good. I’m happy with the way things are right now.”
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
In St. Louis they would talk about the genius of the move and how great a manager is to make it.
Guess you can be grateful it isn’t New York, though. This would be not only on all talk radio, but also on the front page of the paper.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Um....ok. So would I.
That was pretty much my point, St. Louis media drinks the kool aid to a fault…scared of pissing off TLR or Dunc. I do like the move, but I was talking about the difference of the media and talk radio in St. Louis. Most of the newspaper and talk shows are nothing more than PR for the team.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Chicago Sports Media
Your partner in truth for over 700 years!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
177 years, silly...
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by digitalbenjamin on Apr 27, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I do remember the Chicago Sports Media
hyping up the Avignon Papacy, citing numerous examples of why it was the best move for the Church.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
feels like 700
"They say you don’t win a pennant in April, but you can sure lose one." - Ryan Dempster
"Stuttgart Kickers soccer player Sascha Bender once suffered a facial injury after being punched. The assailant, teammate Christian Okpala, said Bender "permanently provoked me by farting all the time." "
I saw that too...
But what really upset me is that jaded dick I like to call “Steve Stone.” Once again just listing the negative of the Zambrano move and claiming that he will want to be traded soon…Oh, and also claiming that Konerko will have a good year and he is one of the best fastball hitters ever…Stay Classy Stone….
I wonder if he still has his twitter account. Because last year on his twitter he had more Cubs bashing than actually white sox stuff…
by BadDecisions on Apr 27, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Ya! I thought what him to critique this move??
He basically said in a nutshell by summer Z would be traded or such a problem he would have to be traded. What does Stone know about this? Is he in our locker room every day? Does he call Z and talk? Totally bad journalism.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
Stone isn't a journalist.
He’s a bitter color man with a massive Cub chip on his shoulder.
Yeah, I may get lambasted here but it's a shame to see him come to that.
He’s gotten off the charts with attacking the Cubs on Sox broadcasts, and I did use to like him when he was on WGN. He seems to take any opportunity to rip on them these days, talk radio or broadcasting the Sox.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Edit...I meant I liked his commentary when he was the color man for the Cubs on WGN.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
"Junk Food" journalism
Up the flavor and the calories, wrap it in eye-catching colors, sit back and watch the masses lap it up.
Sittin' on the ledge and sippin' Kool-Aid...
Oh Stoney.
I remember a x gf I dumped a few years back….same type of behavior.
by BadDecisions on Apr 27, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Steve Stone knows bitter disappointment and a wasted career.
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I bet that's hanging in his bedroom!
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Apr 27, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Better than the speedo pic?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm going to tell you that I've never seen the speedo pic.....
….and now I’m going to tell you that I dont ever want to! :)
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Apr 27, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Steve sez
How you doin’ baby?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Speedo pic???
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by eths on Apr 27, 2010 4:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Please don't!
I realize there is almost a full moon, but no. Please don’t. I beg you.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
No worries. I posted that pic because the speedo one was listed as deleted by Photobucket.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
::wiggles fingers::
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 27, 2010 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Course with SWL's skillz he prolly has one up his....sleeve.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
My version is...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 27, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
That's exactly the one they listed as deleted!
Do you read banned books too?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I read them only cuz I dont believe in banning books...yeah, thats it! ;)
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Apr 27, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
My aunt was a head librarian for years.
She had that button on all the time. She’s the one that had your tag on her wall…that button rocks and so does she.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
what button?
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Apr 27, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I read banned books
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
god, I just said that...I think your aunt is channeling herself into me...
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Apr 27, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm could be. She lives in Carol Stream.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
that's very close to me. anyway, she sounds like a cool person,
but that’s from someone who thinks just like she does.
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Apr 27, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
She's pretty cool.
She’s the only one I know that drinks Absolut straight up when she’s having fun.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
all the time...
I’m currently on my 3rd time through this one.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 27, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
You learn how to snake toilets with that?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
one time I read "How to Live With a Million Dollars" over and over again,
unfortunately, I never became a millionaire :(
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by cooliogirl47 on Apr 27, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
With the title "You got to have a glove if you want love"
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
oh, I saw that
and said “WHY ARE THEY ASKING HIM??”
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 27, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Because they knew he'd say something idiotic they could get ratings with.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Kinda OT: Scores
Just had a thought. The Cubs won 4-3, the Hawks won 5-3. Wonder if both teams have ever won on the same day with the same score…
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by digitalbenjamin on Apr 27, 2010 8:27 AM CDT reply actions
Probably.
That empty-net goal spoiled a chance to have that happen last night.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Damn those empty netter spoilers!
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm so pissed at Madden right now...
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by digitalbenjamin on Apr 27, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
It happened 3 days ago
(well, for the Blackhawks and White Sox, both 5-4, sudden death victories). Was hoping the Cubs would do the same but their pitching is too good.
by sanshokubento on Apr 27, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it me or does it seem like the Cubs are check swinging a lot?
I assume it comes from Rudy’s patient approach.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Apr 27, 2010 8:44 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
it's interesting that we're calling Rudy patient
because over the off-season, we were all talking about how he was aggressive…
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 27, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
he must be one of those patient-aggressive types...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
The only thing that worries me about Silva
Is that his BABIP right now is much lower than the norm. I love seeing that he’s doing well, especially since I didn’t expect anything out of him when they acquired him during the offseason, but seeing that his BABIP is only .203 leads me to believe that there could be some rough surf coming up for him.
"Juuuuuuussst a bit outside. He tried for the corner and missed..."
- Harry Doyle
by Rusty in Peoria on Apr 27, 2010 8:48 AM CDT reply actions
It's probably the only reason his ERA is so stellar
As everyone says, he pitches to contact. Sooner or later, those batted balls are gonna find places where the fielders ain’t. Enjoy it while it lasts, I say, and hope that the landing is a smooth one.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Well, the important thing when the norm returns
Is that the hits don’t start coming in bunches. If they get spread out over the innings he pitches, then it may not be as worrisome. But if and when we get to the point where 3 or 4 hits start bunching up in an inning, then happy days may not be here anymore…
"Juuuuuuussst a bit outside. He tried for the corner and missed..."
- Harry Doyle
by Rusty in Peoria on Apr 27, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, unfortunately he's gonna get bombed some days.
For instance, it was so cold and windy last night , it surely kept a number of balls in the park that would have gone out for the Nats. I’ll just take it while it’s here…and hopefully Z will be back to form with a replacement for him in the pen when it does happen.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Heck...
He’s already pitched 26 good innings….if he can do that twice more during the season, he could have a bunch of bad innings and still seem like a pretty good pickup! And maybe this will just be one of those years when the norm goes off to see the world.
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by CaughtInTheVines on Apr 27, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Jarrod Washburn in '09 anyone?
Joel Pineiro ’09?
by IllinoisCubs on Apr 27, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
We helped Pineiro a couple of time last year
Just could not hit that guy. Ugh.
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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
On the other side of the equation
Which I’m sure someone pointed out in some thread before this, Zambrano’s BABIP is currently .403, which is 6th highest of all major league starters. So the pendulum should definitely swing the other way for him as time goes on.
"Juuuuuuussst a bit outside. He tried for the corner and missed..."
- Harry Doyle
by Rusty in Peoria on Apr 27, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Remember...
… that the wind also held up several Cub fly balls that would have been home runs.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I don't think anyone thinks Silva is a long-term solution
Play the hot hand till it gets cold. We might even be able to trade him to a team desperate for starting pitching.
by IllinoisCubs on Apr 27, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Probably not, due to the amount of money remaining on his contract.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yeah, his contract is not tradeable without him pitching well for at least a whole year.
On the plus side Bradley is currently hitting .174…we sure have gotten the better of the trade so far…performance and attitude wise.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
In fairness to Silva, his attitude issues were work ethic and what he brought
on the field (or didn’t bring).
I never saw anyone say he was a distraction off the field. Even with abysmal production, Silva was expected to be a clubhouse upgrade.
may addition by subtraction be real
well thanks to MASN having no video feed until the 6th inning
I didn’t see most of the Cub runs but I think we did see what a difference it makes to have Z in the bridge innings. It otherwise would have been Grabow at some point and who knows how that would have turned out. Also good to see Z get pumped, embracing his role. He can really be the MVP in that role. ARam also taking better cuts, I think a power breakout for him is imminent.
Yeah, ARam's due to turn the corner sometime soon.
I’m hoping he’ll start loosening up a bit here and not (as he said) keep trying to hit 5-run homers with no one on base.
"Juuuuuuussst a bit outside. He tried for the corner and missed..."
- Harry Doyle
by Rusty in Peoria on Apr 27, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions
OT-question about Sunday's game that I forgot to ask.
Why is Braun allowed to have his right foot out of the batter’s box? From where we were sitting we could see his foot was outside the line every at bat. It is possible that part of his shoe was slightly touching the outer edge of the chalk, but…why doesn’t he get called out for that?
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
Nady sure lines up wide in the box.
Nothing like you’re talking about, but still pretty wide to me. I’d be interested to see why that’s allowed with Bugeyes or anyone else.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Nady sure lines up wide in the box.
TWSS
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by CyberCyclist on Apr 27, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Check out Youkilis...
His back foot is usually about halfway to the backstop, especially in the later innings when the lines have gotten rubbed away.
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by CaughtInTheVines on Apr 27, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a rule...
Don’t ask me which rule it is (I’m an umpire, I should know)… but as long as any part of his back foot is touching the batters box line then it’s legal. It’s a bit of a grey area when the batters box gets wiped away (which takes about 2 innings most times) since it then becomes the umpire’s judgement.
It’s pretty difficult to call though as a home plate ump – you are focusing on a 90 mph fastball so you really don’t have time to look at where the batter’s feet are and the base umpires have no “angle” to make the call.
Maybe Al will request some replay reviews of these calls too!? :-D
LOL on replay for that.
Here’s a question I’ve wondered about. Batters do this, apparently, so they can stand as far back as possible so as to get a longer (a fraction of a second, probably) look at a pitch.
With so many splitters being thrown now — balls that dive at the last second — why wouldn’t you want to stand more forward in the batter’s box, so you could hit that ball before it sinks?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Probably cause they would be prone to whiffing on heat as well.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I constantly have to tell
the kids in Max’s little league team to move up towards the pitcher.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 27, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I can remember well being a gangly SS
who was reluctant to get any closer in the box than I had to lol. I hit a homer once as a reflex rather than through skill, and after rounding first my grandma kept cheering and I looked at her…seeing if I should go to second base, if it was deeper than I thought…and she said you hit it out!!!!!!! Took awhile to stand there without fear for sure.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Say what you will about Z in the pen
But I truly think the Nationals would have scored runs in the 7th or 8th had someone (anyone) else been pitching.
You mean had anyone else been pitching from the Cubs.
And, unfortunately, you are probably right.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree.
Zambrano (and Marshall) shut them down during those two innings.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 27, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah what a luxury
to bring in a guy with such a repertoire as Big Z in those tight spots. Most teams would be happy to get into the other teams bullpen. With Marshall, Z and Marmol, I think most teams would prefer another crack at whoever the SP was.
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Just out of curiousity...
do the Cubs have the record for most Carlos ever on a team? Or most Carlos pitchers on a team?
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It was tweeted last night...
… that this was the first time the Cubs had used three pitchers with the same first name in a game since 1966.
Looking over the ’66 roster, it had to be “Bill”. The Cubs had four pitchers named “Bill” or “Billy” in 1966.
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Muskat Love has the scoop
Carlos Silva, Carlos Zambrano and Carlos Marmol all pitched in Monday’s game. It’s the first time the Cubs used three pitchers with the same first name in a game since June 5, 1966, when Bill Hands, Bill Connors and Bill Hoeft all appeared in an 8-3 loss to the Reds in Cincinnati. Thanks to historian Ed Hartig for that.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
On a night the wind was the enemy of both teams,
The number of walks to Cubs received proved to be the difference. I liked the patience they showed at the plate, particularly Soriano (three walks).
Let’s win this series tonight!
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 27, 2010 9:44 AM CDT reply actions
Going up against the currently unhittable Livan Hernandez...
What’s the deal with that, anyway? :)
"Juuuuuuussst a bit outside. He tried for the corner and missed..."
- Harry Doyle
by Rusty in Peoria on Apr 27, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Career 4.41 ERA with 5.44 last year and 6.05 before that (Coors Field influenced admittedly)
It would be our luck to face him on a hot streak. We need Gorzy on his game tonight, it might be even more low scoring than last night.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I certainly think
That we can beat He-Shall-Be-Livan. However, maybe only one or two runs wins it.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 27, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm gonna name my first-born son Ty
Ty Needancer.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
LOL!
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 27, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll name my first-born son Rock.
Rock Etman!
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 27, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Would be interesting if he has a daughter
and she marries someone with the last name InmyHands
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
ESPN has a link on front page saying "Zambrano: Team told me relief stint temporary"
ESPN for you … trying to make a story out of something. This was reported several days ago.
2010 is OUR year.
How did they ever pull themselves out of Yankees/Redsox news
to even hear about this?
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lol
You can be sure it wasn’t easy. Probably some freak accident.
Sonny Black: How can John Wayne die?
Lefty: F*****' Indians got him.
Nah.
They just love creating false controversy. Yet another reason I almost never watch ESPN any more except for live games.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Not even for John Kruk's expert analysis?
"Juuuuuuussst a bit outside. He tried for the corner and missed..."
- Harry Doyle
by Rusty in Peoria on Apr 27, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Kruk cracks me up.
I don’t know if you are serious (I doubt it)…I like watching Kruk and think he isn’t bad. Now the rest of ESPN…that’s completely different.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Bobby Valentine was convinced on BBTN yesterday that Josh Johnson was coming out of the closet this year.
No word on whether or not R. Kelly and Tom Cruise are in there with him.
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Sounds like ol' Bobby V was hopeful
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I saw last night when the Mets game got rained out and postponed.
They went IMMEDIATELY to coverage of the Red Sawks. They even started out by talking over the spanish feed to the game. ESPN’s world consists of New York, Boston, and the rest of the league heathens they must play to win a WS each year.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I was on a rooftop on Sheffield
and it was cooooooooold up there. This was only the second time I’ve ever done a rooftop (last time it snowed) and it’s an unusual experience. The short lines for beer/food are nice, but the “crowd” is just not into it. Much too detached of a fan experience for me. I much prefer being in Wrigley.
As for the game, I really liked seeing the team take so many walks, particularly Soriano. My friend and I openly wondered about the last time he’d taken three walks in a game. I pretty strongly disagreed with the move to PH for Soto because he has been seeing the ball so well lately. His OBP is over .500! To me, that move was pretty much indefensible unless there was some physical reason to take Soto out (i.e. the cold). And, as much as I hope the move doesn’t last for more than a month or so, it was kind of cool seeing the three Carlos brigade.
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Yeah, I don't think you go to a rooftop unless you plan on bringing your drinking shoes.
And I REALLY don’t think you go to a rooftop night game in April unless you plan on getting plastered.
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Quick note - Juan Cruz released by Royals
not that he’d end up back at Wrigley??
"Hey Hey, Holy Mackerel, No Doubt About It!"
Didn't you hear?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
In all seriousness
I don’t think it’d be a bad thing for the Cubs to sign him. He was terrible last year, but there was plenty of reason to think that was kind of a fluke. Unless Cruz has some issues that we don’t know about, releasing him was a questionable (at best) move by the Royals considering their severe bullpen issues. Poor Greinke, Meche, and Bannister. They deserve a better bullpen.
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by mykalmorgan on Apr 27, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
This has already been discussed in multiple fanposts/fanshots.
Cruz was awful last year. His velocity is down. He’s off to a horrible start. Think about this: the Royals have to pay him $3 million this year, and they couldn’t find a trade partner even if they ate the contract, which they are now doing.
This is NOT a Jim Edmonds scrap heap situation. Stay away from Cruz. I think he’s done.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Ah.
I disagree, but I haven’t had time recently to read too many of the fanposts. His velocity is down less than 1 MPH and the Royals front office has made some absolutely horrendous decisions, so I’m not willing to use their inability to find a trade partner as a reason to stay away. I am, however, willing to allow that there may be reasons to stay away from him other than the data at hand.
Regardless, I’ll read the fanposts.
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by mykalmorgan on Apr 27, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
He cant be good
if the Royals released him. Thier BP is pretty bad and if they are eating $$ then I have to wonder if he has anything left. But a change in scenery has done good for some in the past, but im not for trying it here.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
He got released ... by the Royals.
That should explain all you need to know.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 27, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
And he's pitched well this year.
So really, it doesn’t tell me anything: the Royals just confuse me.
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by mykalmorgan on Apr 27, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Pitched "well"?
Sure, if you consider a 2.44 WHIP pitching “well”.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I'm with you in principle... but I thought of one caveat.
Wasn’t the general perception that Silva was “done”?
My general take on pretty much all these guys (Looper, Cruz, and examples further back) is that you should do your due diligence.
Check them out medically.
Look at the mechanics to see if you spot something “fixable”.
Offer a minor league deal and take a chance.
If you go through those channels, I don’t really see any harm in taking a (relatively) “free” look.
When the Royals release you, yeah, that's a good sign you're done.
I’d surely wonder why anyone would question the Royals judgment being bad to release him when they do still have to pay him. The Royals have a tiny payroll…what makes anyone think Cruz has potential…other than desperation?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
No, but it should be a Shooter/Nomo situation. See if he'll
sign a contract to go to Iowa to work out his issues. Cubs should be attactive as a team with bullpen/set up needs. Give him the automatic out after 30 days to go sign elsewhere.
may addition by subtraction be real
Z connection
As I recall he and Zambrano remain quite close. It would seem that a team with bullpen issues should certainly check him out. Much as the Cubs did with Looper last week, have him throw and check him out physically, then decide.
Eamus Ursuli!
Not a position shared by all ...
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/tag/_/name/kansas-city-royals. Key graph:
“Cruz just started the second season of a two-year contract that pays him $6 million, so the Royals are eating a decent chunk of money here. Last season, Cruz’s strikeout rate plummeted and (not coincidentally) his ERA skyrocketed. But this season he’s struck out seven in four innings, and his 3.38 ERA ranks fifth among the Royals’ nine relievers.”
I’d compare this situation more to Glendon Rusch — whom the Cubs picked up for nothing in 2004. Offer Cruz a minor-league deal and see what happens.
I think you posted this before.
Thus, I will repeat the fact that he has a 2.44 WHIP in those four innings, and the strikeouts and ERA do not reflect how poorly he’s pitched.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I hadn't posted the Neyer link before.
But I didn’t know about the other figures. I’m still in the let’s-give-him-a-look camp, Al. Would you be opposed to a minor-league deal for Cruz?
Replay at 2B
I am quite torn on the idea of replay in baseball.
Al, if you were to allow replay on this play, would you also then have to allow replay on whether a middle infielder is on the bag when turning a double play?
Eamus Ursuli!
That is sure to be a can of worms
Baseball seems to have accepted the hovering around 2nd base as a means of preventing injuries during DPs. Not saying I agree, but allowing challenges on that would change how the game is played.
This is exactly the problem with using instant replay for more than home run calls.
Where do you limit it’s use? Obviously you can’t allow unlimited use, or the games would take 5 hours (7 in any game involving the Yankees). So, do you then allow them 3 challenges…6 challenges…it’s quite a difficult question, though I’ll admit my reluctance to take out the human element has been overcome for sure with home run calls. And, do you allow challenges for everything besides balls and strikes? If you allowed balls and strikes to be reviewed it wouldn’t even resemble the game that’s played now.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Every play except balls and strikes.
Limited to two per manager, per game. It would add strategy — do you use one up in the 1st inning, or wait till later — that play last night was in the 9th and could have been challenged if a manager had one of his two left.
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this makes perfect sense to me
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by cooliogirl47 on Apr 27, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Throw in there that the Cubs DID take a look at him.
Just to make sure there wasn’t something the Royals were missing. Which would be pretty wild of a small market team with a small budget releasing a player they have to still pay. Do. Not. Want. Cruz.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Holy post placement fail batman!
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
lol...you're funny :D
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by cooliogirl47 on Apr 27, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
NFL...
I kinda like what they do there where only an official can call for a review in the last few minutes… and nobody cares that the last two minutes of a close NFL game might go forever… same with the ninth inning. If it takes 20 minutes to get the last inning right, I won’t mind it one bit.
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by jameslcrockett on Apr 27, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah...but then does that include home run calls?
I do hate seeing bad calls at crucial times in a game, such as a player being tagged out that obviously is shown not to be with replay…I just struggle with how it all should be set up and with using the set up you speak of, how different the game would be using strategy of a replay. For instance, if you do that and the game goes into extra innings, and because of that replay is not available on crucial plays…aren’t you back to the same problem you started with? (not having replay available when it should be used)
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's borrow from football
Limit the use of replay to ninth inning (by umpire’s call only) or one (maybe two) times a team can call for it during the course of a game. Give a team one more if it goes to extras… but that’s it.
Then if a team wants to waste its challenge on a “neighborhood play”, then that’s all they get for the rest of the game.
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by jameslcrockett on Apr 27, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Which would add more strategy to the game, which I like.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Hmm...after chewing on this for awhile I think I have to agree with you.
Football has shown to me over time it can help the game. Seems like worth a try. Only problem would be then how to still limit games since they already run too long…and though allowing replay would probably help games with getting calls right, it would definitely lengthen games.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
If you limited it to two per manager per game...
… games wouldn’t take any longer than they now do with all the ridiculous arguments. Call for replay, do the replay, start the game.
It would also eliminate manager ejections — and a lot of player ejections, too — since everyone would know there’s some recourse to bad calls.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It might help, but will never eliminate manager ejections.
You’ve already said that it wouldn’t include balls and strikes…managers sure do get ejected for calling those.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
True enough.
Still, it would cut way down on ridiculous arguments.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The objections wouldn't be there for borderline calls
The objections wouldn’t be there to make the system 100% perfect.
The objections would be there to correct the more egregious of calls. They would make it a 99% system instead of maybe a 98% or 97% system especially when dealing with plays for the umpires didn’t have a good view, got distracted or just plain made a stupid call.
I have never seen an umpire reverse their call after 3 or 4 seconds. They rarely change it at all. It’s almost a pride thing and unwritten rule. This would also help root out plain stubbornness.
by IllinoisCubs on Apr 27, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
OT:
Who will the Blackhawks play next?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 27, 2010 11:43 AM CDT reply actions
So, we can all watch that game
After the Cubs beat the Diamondbacks.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 27, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Deja Vu. All over again.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
3 BBs for Sori
Wowy, wow, wow! Fantastic to see, and I actually might wear his jersey (my only Cub jersey cause I got it for $50) when the Cubs come to Denver at the end of July.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
3 bb for Sori?
Oh crap…

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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Apr 27, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a sure sign.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
AHHHH!!!!!

Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Apr 27, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Surprised nobody else has said it yet...
8 BBs? What are the Cubs doing clogging the bases like that, dude?
(said with tongue firmly planted in cheek)
What a wonderful, joyous photo. Go Cubs!
"This chaos is killing me..." - David Bowie, 'Hallo Spaceboy'
"We're going to Chuck E. Cheese!"
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Great game last night.
Loved the emotion Z showed getting that last out.
Silva is making us love him. Hope he can continue with this.
That sounds a little creepy.
In a totally, manly, brotherly love I assume?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Jokekiller.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Haven't we all :-) ?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Apr 27, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I was freezing in the LF bleachers last night...
And I noticed Byrd and Sori have a little thing going on were they do a little bit of a dance after each out. Maybe they were just trying to stay warm…
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Apr 27, 2010 12:56 PM CDT reply actions
??????

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Apr 27, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude I think it looked a more like this:

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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Apr 27, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what I look like when I dance!
"I tried to let Ryan know that [jumping over the dugout railing] was a thing that maybe just athletes should stick to." -- Ted Lilly, 28 July 2009
by CaughtInTheVines on Apr 27, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I see it
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Apr 27, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
its funny :D
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Apr 27, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't.
source?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 27, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll try again:

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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Apr 27, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
that I see.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 27, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Time for me to leave!
I thought I was going to end up looking like Lou with all these layers on, but I look more like Larry Rothschild. So if any of you see a woman answering to that description up in Section 517 say hi.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
don't you mean
Larry Rothchild looks like you?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Apr 27, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
aaron miles signs with cards
we’re boned
I love Marian Hossa and Patrick Kane in totally manly ways. Kinda.
Yet another comment regarding Z:
This isn’t important enough to merit it’s own fanpost but I just wanted to say MAN was it exciting watching Z come out of the bullpen last night!
It’s been mentioned before but I just really want to underscore the excitement that everyone, Big Z himself included, felt before, during and immediately upon conclusion of his performance last night.
Baseball is a game that we all love and it is meant to be entertainment and this was entertainment combined with good baseball performance! It doesn’t get better than that. I’m on record stating that I liked this move from the beginning (even before it happened) and I stand by that statement. My only concern is what’s going to happen in 2 months if Hendry doesn’t find a replacement set up man. That’s then though, and I’m enjoying the now.
by cubsonWGN4ever on Apr 27, 2010 4:15 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
IMHO...I think this should be green, thanks
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Apr 27, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
OT: Bayern 3 - Lyon 0
Munich is the Champions League final!
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
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by eths on Apr 27, 2010 4:19 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
…is in the…
Sorry
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