Why Not To Let The Other Team Clog The Bases With Walks, and Cubs vs. Diamondbacks at Phoenix Preview, Saturday 4/3, 3:10 CT
PHOENIX, Arizona -- It's always strange to walk into a major league stadium for the first time in any baseball season after attending several games at spring training parks, which are small and intimate, have a close-in-to-the-game feel, and (generally) have all day games.
Instead, last night I walked into what the locals call the "airplane hangar" in downtown Phoenix, a huge edifice that seats nearly 50,000 -- although it wasn't anywhere near that many last night -- for my first night game of the season. The roof at Chase Field stayed open for the game; that surprised me, as in the past Diamondbacks pitchers have always wanted it closed, to have more controlled conditions (no wind, although there wasn't any during last night's game).
It was also the first time I'd set foot in Chase Field since the disaster there that was otherwise known as the 2007 NLDS. Unlike those games, the park was far less than sold out Friday night. Announced attendance was 20,025, but it seemed like little more than half that in the park, maybe 12,000-13,000, just about enough to make a full house at HoHoKam Park. Nearly half the "throng" consisted of Cubs fans.
Both teams played like they had a plane to catch; the first five innings were zipped through in little over an hour, punctuated only by Mark Reynolds' two-run homer after a walk to Ryan Roberts. Other than that, Ryan Dempster had a good tuneup outing, striking out five. I'm still a bit puzzled as to why, after starters get stretched out in each spring start, adding an inning at a time, they then throw only four innings in their final preseason start; Z did this and so did Randy Wells.
The Cubs managed only three hits through the first seven, one of them a triple by spring hitting machine Tyler Colvin. In the eighth they broke through with Kosuke Fukudome's first HR of the spring; three more hits (including another XBH from Colvin) produced two runs to tie it 3-3.
Yet another walk (Cubs pitchers walked four), this one from Mitch Atkins, preceded the game-winning homer. The D'backs had only five hits, but made two of them count for four runs. And that's why walks are good, if you are the team getting them. Giving them up? Not so much.
Lou mixed and matched in the field; Colvin wound up playing all three OF positions, Xavier Nady (who made one throw, again, no detriment to the team) saw time at both RF and 1B, and (some here will be pleased to know) Jeff Baker played a couple of innings in left field. He made one putout, which turned into a sacrifice fly.
Since there's a game this afternoon in just a few hours, after the jump you'll find today's game preview info.
Randy Wells will start this afternoon for the Cubs; like Z and Demp, Wells is expected to go no more than four innings. The Diamondbacks will counter with mostly minor leaguers; Barry Enright will get the start for them.
Here is the complete MLB.com Mediacenter for today. At last, WGN radio and WGN-TV will do a game on the same day; you can hear either Len & Bob, or Pat & Ron.
For today, the first pitch thread will post at 3 pm CDT, and with the slightly later start (3:10 instead of 3:05), the overflow thread at 4:30 pm CDT.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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OT note to Cowsarecool2000 & Amaru
Um any reason you two dropped out of the Fantasy League. It was an even 14 with both of you. If you both want to come back ( or some other pair) you can. Draft is in about 5 hours. I deleted the fanpost as I feared ending up with an odd number.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
I would totally join
but I’ll be about 38,000 feet above the ground flying back to Peoria from San Francisco… too bad United doesn’t have in-flight wifi… a fantasy draft would be a PERFECT thing to do on a 4 1/2 hour flight
What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
I deleted my team because it was uneven.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Apr 3, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
NO you were the 14th
I thought you saw that. There was Amaru and you and you both posted OK. Oh well if BOTH of you see this before 4.30 CST time you can try to come back ( or if someone else wants to even it out)
Probably too late but just in case here is link and info but need even numbers. Have 12 which is room for 8 more but only even numbers. Alas draft in about 2 hours & 45 minutes
http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1
League number 555536. Password NYCUBS
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Apr 3, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Just a FYI
I clicked on the link to see what kind of a league it was, and upon seeing head-to-head, I quickly backed out. So I didn’t save anything but you might want to check to make sure that the league didn’t interpret my clicking as a sign-up. If it did, feel free to delete me to get your league back to even status.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
No you would have to go through registration to get in
You mean you don’t want the chance to head ot head with me every six or seven weeks?
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Apr 3, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Believe me, going finger-to-finger with you every six or seven posts on BCB...
…is more than enough for me, thank you very much. ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
You were right Cow
Someone else must have dropped out and made it 13. Did have 14 at some point.
Would have been fun.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Apr 3, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
No prob, maybe next year.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Apr 3, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Watched the last 2 innings
and was glad to see we got to their bullpen and tied the game. Unfortunately, our BP didn’t get the job done and gave up the 2 run dinger in the 8th.
We still can’t win here, regular season, Spring Training or post season. Hopefully, today, we will get a W.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
Soriano trade?
What is the liklihood if Colvin remains hot and Soriano doesnt perform well that Soriano gets traded to an AL team to be a DH? And why was he never put in the dh role to begin with considering how poorly his fielding skills have always been considered?
I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.
Currently 34,839 on the Season Ticket Wait List - Expected age of being #0: 119
Unlikely.
No one’s going to take that contract.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Even if the cubs agreed to pay half the salary
Im not sure anyone would take it. Completely serious.
I'm sure no one would take that deal.
by Jerry Mumphrey on Apr 3, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I broached that subject in a comment a long time ago...
…and it makes for interesting off-season musing.
If you’re another team’s GM, how much would the price have to drop, i.e. Cubs eating salary, before it becomes at least plausible to think about. I think at that time, I set the initial bar at half the salary. If I were another GM, I still wouldn’t do it mind you, but I think that’s the point at which other GMs would at least return Hendry’s phone calls and see if they can get the price to drop even further.
Soriano’s 2010 performance will go a long way to determining if these musings stay musings or border on possibilities.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Seriously?
Why would anyone take five years of Soriano at $18 million per after the season he’s had, considering his age and considering his injuries?
If Jermaine Dye can’t get a 1-year deal from an AL team for what he considers market value (more than a few million), why would any AL team pay $90 million for Soriano.
In addition to the comments listed above...
Sori has a full no-trade clause.
So you’d have to find a willing trade partner, eat a ton of money and/or take another (or multiple) worse contracts (if they exist), AND Sori has to say “yes”.
Roll it all together and you have a steaming pile of “highly, highly improbable”.
I fear that within the next 2-3 years
we might be simply paying Sori to sit at home
He's the new Ed Lynch?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Slight correction, Al
I believe Ryan Roberts hit the game winning home run off Atkins, not LaRoche. Otherwise, good wrap as always. Colvin continues to look otherworldy.
Roberts?
We are trading for him and Lind?
I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.
Currently 34,839 on the Season Ticket Wait List - Expected age of being #0: 119
"Airplane Hangar"
LOL. That’s what we call it every time we drive by. What with all the planes going by from Sky Harbor, I’m surprised some wayward pilot doesn’t mistake it for the airport. I’ll take a nice, cozy park every time, one without a pool in the outfield.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Several planes flew very low over the stadium last night.
It’s only about 3-4 miles from the airport.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Baker in LF
He needs more work out there if they’re gonna use him in a real situation. With the catch he made on the sac fly, he wasn’t in position to make the catch with momentum, then made a bad throw to the dish, mostly because he had to reach up and back slightly to make the catch. I like players that offer flexibility, but only if they’re competent.
Scott Bora$ is satan.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Apr 3, 2010 10:26 AM CDT reply actions
Watched the game on MLB TV
Had to listen to Grace, he still has a personal thing against the Cubs…like Fonty wearing his number, is he in the HOF? Anyway…nice interview with Brenely who holds that all the NLCS have weaknesses… Cubs of course is the bullpen with such youth.
They talked about Jamarillo and then Colvin, Grace really like Colvin and said anyone who is hitting .500 needs to make the team and play. Colvin then drives one to the CF wall for a triple—-where Grace noticed that Colvin is wearing #21, then later Colvin hit a double down the LF line to drive in a run where he eventually scored on Baker’s single.
Colvin dropped his bat on the ball really nice.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
Will Colvin start opening day?
I think he deserves it, in RF over Kouske. If not definitely the home opener. Worry he’ll cool off when bell rings, then get sent down….amazing streak of hitting the ball hard, consistently. Still wonder if he could handle 1B as backup, Lee does need some time off!!
I think we’re at least a year and a half from being able to move Sori, possibly, if he regains his stroke some team desperate for offense might take him if Cubs swallow hard. Otherwise he is gonna become the most expensive benchwarmer since Juan Pierre and Matthews Jr…even more expensive, the costliest ever, but playing time shouldn’t be determined by salary.
Both our corner OF’s are getting a nice push which they may or may not respond to.
Don't really think there's much of a chance Colvin starts on Monday.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
No question Colvin brings more to the table than Fukudome (who could never hit MLB pitching) or Soriano (who could never field his position)
Hopefully it’s just a matter of time before Lou benches someone. I don’t understand why Fukudome isn’t in AAA at this point as he has shown a weaker bat than Matt Murton over his career. The numbers he put up in Japan should count for absolutely zero because what most people and the Cubs don’t understand is that is a different, narrower, “rule book” strike zone over there so the numbers do not translate at all. That being said, Soriano is a liability as well so take your pick.
by Jerry Mumphrey on Apr 3, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Fukudome would have to agree to be sent down.
And comparing Fukudome to Murton isn’t really fair, if for no other reason than Fukudome brings so much more to the table defensively. That’s not to say Kosuke hasn’t been a disappointment — though some posters will actually argue that point.
"No question"??????
Really? Colvin is one big question mark, no one can be sure what if anything he brings to the table.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Apr 3, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly...
People seem to be forgetting that these were SPRING TRAINING numbers. They don’t mean all that much.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Apr 3, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I just think it makes sense, Al.
Baker isn’t Mark DeRosa, but he’s the closest thing the Cubs have to him now. Might as well test his versatility, right?
My point has always been...
…. why does the team necessarily NEED such a player? And to force someone into a role that he isn’t necessarily suited for could hurt him. DeRo took to that. We don’t know that Baker will.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
But isn't it better to find out if you have such a player, especially during ST?
At least now Lou (and Jim) have somewhat of an idea how good/bad of an outfielder Baker is. It just makes sense to have a comprehensive knowledge of all the tools at your disposal.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
My point was...
… I didn’t think that tool was in his arsenal, nor did the team need it to be.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Soriano stealing bases?
Did you forget this?
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
The idea being that if he comes up lame the Cubs can collect insurance on his contract...so actually not sarcasm
by Jerry Mumphrey on Apr 3, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I may not like Soriano, but I do not want him to get hurt.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 3, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you serious?
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
Let's hope this was just a lame attempt at humor.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Apr 3, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope this never happens.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 3, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Nady made a throw
and the sun came up the next day as expected
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Apr 3, 2010 12:14 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Shocking, isn't it?
Jessica will now comment.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Be nice
After all, it’s not the throw that’s important, it’s the result of the throw, i.e. did a runner advance or score because of a weaker than usual throw. I think that’s the “salient point” of this issue, to borrow a phrase from another post. ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I'm trying to figure out if you really don't understand
that there COULD arise a problem from the fact that he can’t throw that well in a regular season game.
Are you really so set against Jessica having a point that you’re just ignoring any possible problems that might arise?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
not picking a fight are you?
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Apr 3, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Evidently, he is.
In this case, I am going to defer to the coaches and manager. If they thought there was going to be a problem, they’d have DL’d Nady.
They did not do so. I believe they know a little more about baseball than Jessica does.
Incidentally, she is a personal friend and has been so for over ten years. Most people here know that and that she and I can go back and forth pretty vehemently without damaging a friendship.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Gotta rec this one, he he
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
Time to warm up the old 'picture in picture'...
There’s another game starting at 6:07pm edt that I have to see in addition to the Cubs game…

GO GREEN!
"Look, what do you want me to do?"
Duke-West Virginia?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 3, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I didn't know that Duke or West Virginia had green uniforms.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 3, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Then Butler has green!
P.S.: I just emailed Mrs. Zeke the story about what happened last week. I hope it’s not too late to send it to her.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Who cares if he's a Cubs fan? This is a football forum! He is a PACKER fan as well. So, from now until March, I’m sure he’ll dedicate a lot of his time here. In late March, then we can be enemies during the baseball season. Besides, the Cubs have perhaps the most loyal baseball fanbase in the country. You have to respect that.
Go Pack!
by Jabooty on Jan 25, 2010 2:58 PM EST
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Apr 3, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Should be OK. She'll check her email when she gets home from shopping...
"Look, what do you want me to do?"
All these years I thought the mascot's name was Sparty
But your picture above clearly indicates in a most Rebus-nesque manner that I was mistaken. His name is actually “Party”!
No wonder you went to school there… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Well, the drinking age WAS 18 back then and
possession of less than an ounce of a certain green leafy substance was a $5 civil fine (less than a parking ticket), so yeah, we did our fair share to keep the local watering holes in business…
"Look, what do you want me to do?"
Lettuce? Lol.
Some men learn through what they read. Some men learn through what they're told. Some men have to piss on the railroad tracks. And some men keep on pissin'.
Al: Isn't about time to change the BCB Avatar?
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
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Starters...
Can we confirm whether they get their four innings in and are done for the day, or do they put in extra work after they leave the game to stretch themselves out? This would allow them to get more pitchers in-game work while it does little for MLB starters to be in there against MiLB hopefuls.
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Just North of Wrigley Field
Good question.
I do not know the answer. Wells threw 63 pitches today in five innings.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That other team from the south side is beating up on the Braves -> 12:1 bottom of the 5th
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
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L&B are on the air
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Z's messin' with Geo in the dugout :D
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Riot K
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Dome 4-3
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

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