The Wrigley Field Bleachers Are Out Of Control. Here's How To Fix The Problem.
Yesterday, BCB'er ballhawk posted these observations about drunken idiot behavior in the Wrigley Field bleachers in the comment section of my game recap. In case you missed them, they bear repeating here. Read carefully; then I'll have comments of my own.
People are throwing up on themselves (and others) and not even bothering to at least go to the restroom and try and wash it off. Nope, they’d rather wear it the rest of the game like some Chunky Badge of Courage. Pushing, shoving, beer-spilling, nacho cheese-tossing and a general degradation of social interaction is now considered the norm.
The homophobic taunting is commonplace, and of course the swearing is off the charts, which normally wouldn’t bother me so much except for the fact that Crowd Control has made of point of saying you can’t say "fuck". So why have a policy if you’re not going to enforce it?
And here’s the latest low – guys are starting to relieve themselves in the bleachers. That’s right – IN the bleachers. Apparently they attempt to stream it into a cup but given their drunken state, it’s only a matter of time before their aim is off or the cup is knocked over. I’m more than prepared for a beer spill here and there, but when that yellow waterfall is something besides Old Style, that’s it for me.
Al, I’ll take your word for it that Crowd Control and Security is understaffed but the times I’ve been inside, the ones I do see don’t do much. It almost takes a peasant revolt from the real fans before Crowd Control will even force people to sit down during play. Forget about trying any real crowd control. And from what I’ve seen from the outside, the only Crowd Control guys doing anything up top are Jim and Big Mark. Everybody else just walks around until the fight(s) start – then they spring into "action".
I know you’re in the bleachers every game, but believe me, your upper corner of the bleachers is nothing like the rows down below. Next time Crane or Tom or anyone from the Cubs talks about coming out to the bleachers, I challenge them to sit down low in the trenches.
IMO, the bleachers are still the best place to watch a game, but that’s coming from a former outfielder, so I’m biased to watching a game from that perspective. But advice for anyone who’d rather not deal with what I’ve described above – sit towards the top. You may not be able to escape all the drunken idiots and ensuing chaos, but at least spilled liquids can’t flow uphill.
It's time for the Cubs to stop this nonsense. The "drunken bleacher party" has gotten completely out of control -- there are fights nearly every day -- and the glorification of the drinking culture is, I believe, something new ownership of the Cubs doesn't want and shouldn't want. The inevitable end of this kind of behavior is going to be someone getting seriously injured, paralyzed (perhaps from falling down, being pushed, or from a fight), or killed.
Is that what the Cubs want? Is this the reputation this franchise wants? There is, to be sure, too much drunkenness and idiotic behavior at virtually every sports stadium and arena in North America (and let's not even talk about some of the stuff that goes on in Europe), by fans of every college and professional sport. But the problems in the Wrigley Field bleachers, which have been getting worse with each passing year, are not only tolerated by management, but almost celebrated as a "party".
It's not a party. It's a baseball game, and most of us are there to watch the baseball game. We should not have our afternoon or evening ruined by drunks who, essentially, are paying a $40 or $50 cover charge to sit in bleacher seats (or worse, stand and block everyone's view) and drink until they are plastered.
After the jump, I have some reasonable, sensible and easily implementable solutions to this serious problem.
1) End the college discount dates. For those of you who haven't figured out this little perk, the Cubs offer half-price bleacher tickets on the value dates in April and May for college students by putting coupon codes in college newspapers. That allows a local college student to come to one of the early season weekday games for (including taxes and fees) about $17. There were hundreds of such people in the bleachers yesterday, and a lot of the problems came from them. In conjuction with this, the Cubs have been doing a good job already with cracking down on underage drinking. They have to step up these efforts -- and unless the basic ages of college students has changed since I was there, most college students are under 21 and cannot legally drink. The bleachers sell out most days anyway, even without the discounts. Full price bleacher tickets for value dates this year are about $25 -- which is still higher than bleacher tickets for almost any other team. They don't need to discount them further.
2) Hire more security. Yes, this costs money, but it is money that needs to be spent. There are 15 aisles in the bleachers -- six in left field, five in right field, four in center field. From what I see out there every day, there is ONE security person assigned to each aisle -- that means ONE employee watching nearly 350 fans, computed by dividing the total of 5,100 bleacher seats by 15. Some of these sections are smaller than 350, but most are larger. That's not nearly enough security to quell problems before they begin. There are other security folks walking up and down the bleacher concourse, but (strictly a guess) I doubt there's more than 25 people there in total. I repeat: that's not enough! Most ballparks have one usher/employee/security person at the top and bottom of each aisle. The Wrigley bleachers should have at least that -- staff out there needs to be doubled to at least 50. The current security people do a good job and have been much more proactive in heading off trouble in the last couple of years. But they are seriously outnumbered. Get them some help. It would be a good start to have them make people sit down during play -- there are "fans" out there who stand up, facing each other, talking throughout play, not in the least interested in what's going on down on the field. Why are "fans" like that even in the park?
3) Put police officers in the bleachers. I have not been to the new Yankee Stadium, but in the old Yankee Stadium bleachers -- where I sat at least 15 times during the 1990's and 2000's -- there were both plainclothes and uniformed NYC police officers. If you broke the rules or broke the law, one of these officers would say, "Come with me." If it was serious enough for arrest, they'd arrest you, but on most of these occasions, they would simply escort you out. No questions, no conversation, no excuses. You were simply ejected. I think, in some ways, Wrigley security has been too nice, allowing people who misbehave to have a five-minute talk, then return to their seats. This created a buzz: "Hey, we can do anything we want!" I will give security credit for this: this season, they have been very proactive about not allowing people into the bleachers at all if they seem obviously drunk outside the park. They have been told to sober up before allowed inside. A Chicago Police Department presence in the park would strongly discourage fights and other drunken behavior.
4) Reduce alcohol sales and hours and places of sale. I'm no anti-alcohol person, although I don't drink at the park myself (I find the beer there way overpriced). There's no reason people shouldn't be able to have a couple of adult beverages while enjoying a baseball game. But I have seen people, more times than I can count, throw back eight, ten, twelve beers during a three-hour baseball game for no other purpose than to get stinking drunk. In a place like the bleachers, crowded, noisy, and especially on hot summer nights, you can see this is just asking for trouble.
Currently, rules allow people two beers at a time, and sales are cut off in the 8th inning of day games, the 7th inning of night games. In the last couple of years, the Cubs made it "easier" for people to get beer by stationing vendors on the back aisle. It's far too easy for people to get plastered. Reducing the serving hours -- cutting off sales 90 minutes after game time -- would be a start; eliminating these vendors and making people go to beer stands would help reduce the number of beers per person.
I realize the Cubs make a lot of money on alcohol sales -- it's probably the single biggest concession profit item. But are they willing to let these profits perhaps lead to a tragic incident? It may be time to institute a per-game, per-person limit on alcohol sales. Again, there's no reason someone shouldn't be able to have a couple of beers during a game. But eight? Ten? That's asking for trouble, and as we have seen, it is happening far too often.
Incidents like these got alcohol banned in the old Yankee Stadium bleachers. The Yankees do allow beer to be brought into the bleachers at the new stadium, as seen from this 2009 ABC News report, but they've reserved the right to reinstate the ban if things get out of hand. I'm not suggesting a ban -- just limits. It's time to end the idea that coming to the Wrigley Field bleachers simply to have a drunken frat party is the right thing to do.
Stop the fights. Stop the drunkenness. Send out the message that it's not a party, it's a baseball game. You can have fun -- but if you're there just to get drunk, the Cubs need to let people know that's not going to happen any more. These are easy steps to take and can even be done during this baseball season. Please, Cubs management. Do it before something that you don't want headlines for happens.
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Standard issue for all fans upon entering the bleachers from now on...

"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
Ok, in all seriousness- I agree completely.
The last time I sat in the bleachers a couple of years ago, I felt if I never did it again, it would be too soon. Too many drunks. Too many rude people. They just take the enjoyment out of the games for me.
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
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by Chris Dobbertean on May 13, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
That's an impressive place to clean up lung butter
I only clean hurl up at a school.
"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth
"lung butter"
lol. Never heard that one before…
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
One solution
Use uniformed officers like the Phillies and Yankees and have an on sight detention center that is operated operated by the Chicago Police Dept.. It’s a win-win, the problem gets taken care of, and the City can make a little money off of drunken morons.
They do
Have a detention center at Wrigley. I have only seen it from a tourist standpoint but it does exist.
when asked about his performance against the Reds - Lieber said the following
"Well obviously I made some bad pitches today, left to many over the plate and they got good wood on the ball. The only good thing was that I was able to get back into the clubhouse earlier then I planned so I could eat."
by 1060 W Addison on May 13, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't know that
is it a drunk tank or is it a holding facility for those that are being kept until police can arrive? I really think it would be better utilized as a drunk tank operated by those with the legal authority to write citations. Fines to be determined by the city of course, the steeper the better.
I don't know the answers...
… but they need to do this for bleacher drunks, and be serious about it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I don't think it's a "drunk tank" or used for any specific purpose.
When i’ve been working, i’ve mainly seen dudes selling counterfeit tickets get picked up by plainclothes officers and thrown in there for a while while the validity of the tickets is worked out with the team and while everybody else gets in to the stadium. They then transfer anybody in there to the station down Addison once the game gets underway and there is less going on on Sheffield and Addison.
Drunks are generally just shoved outside.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I can confirm AJS's story
My buddy scalped tickets and unknowingly got a counterfeit 20 back in change that he used to buy beer before a first pitch. He called me in the 4th inning and had me come downstairs and behind the concessions stand. They basically scared the crap out of him and let him make a phone call and let him go, but they let me in there to wait while he finished up paperwork. Small room with 2 desks and a tv for cops to watch the game. One secure room off to side for drunks (I assume).
You were in the "holding room".
Not quite a traditional “cell”, but you certainly feel the same effect.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Excellent. It should be done.
Enforcement would do a lot to reduce this behavior. And as Al says, security has to be beefed up. There appears not to be enough security personnel.
Also, I’d cut down the beer in the 7th inning every game, not just night games. Vendors should be banned after the 4th. Between then and the 7th inning, whoever wants a beer has to get up and buy it at the concession stand.
by Fraggin Judge on May 13, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
There were no vendors in the bleachers at all until a couple years ago.
They were banned in the late 1980s and this did cut down on the drunkenness. They have to do this again. Vendors do not roam the aisles, but are stationed behind the seats. Too easy to buy multiple beers.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
In the 1970's there were beer guy at the bottoms of the two centerfield stairs with
cases of Old Style and Schlitz. 12 oz bottles. And they sold beer at the concession stand at the base of the center field bleachers and I think that was pretty much it. On crowded days, the lines were very long, limiting beer consumption. So fewer beer outlets, and smaller beers. Although when the ballpark was empty, which was often, it was no trouble getting as many beers as you wanted. These days it’s always crowded so the inconvenience would be a deterrent.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on May 13, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you about limiting alchohol sales
or making it more difficult to procure but I think that would be the ownership cutting off it’s nose to spite it’s face. The most cost effective solution is to get the city involved. I can’t believe I just said that but yes the City of Chicago might be the best way in dealing with this.
I agree. But they better do something before word goes out that it is dangerous for families to go to Wrigley.
Regardless of the falsity of such a reputation, it would take away more revenue from the team than any they make now from beer sales.
Let me tell you a story from personal experience. In the winter baseball league in Puerto Rico you can buy not only beer but as much hard liquor as you want at any time during the games. Attendance is at an all time low. I wonder if part of that is because parents were afraid to expose their kids to the conduct and foul words of drunk fans at the stadiums. As a result, those kids did not become fans of those teams and they have a minuscule amount of fans willing to go to the stadiums despite the low ticket prices.
I do not want that to happen to Wrigley and the Cubs. But if ownership let the stadium become the equivalent of a frat house, then do not be surprised if only frat boys and girls feel comfortable there and the rest stop going to the ballpark as often as they would otherwise.
by Fraggin Judge on May 13, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
AJS attack in 4....3....2...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL I read below the discussion that you are referring to.
It is not my intention to offend well behaving fraternities.
by Fraggin Judge on May 13, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
There used to be...........
………a plain-clothes police run drunk tank under the RF bleachers. That was removed when the bleachers were renovated and I’m not aware of it being replaced anywhere else in the park.
Now, that said, I was involved in an incident (my wife was the victim, thank you) and citations were (supposedly) handed out, etc. Only problem was we never received any info in the mail regarding a court date so it seems there was never any true action taken.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
No, but the story was incredible.
About 8 years ago, late in a game, a “beer” comes over my shoulder and splashes on my wife (who was seated in front of me). I turned behind me to see what happened, and my buddy, seated next to me, is rubbing his head saying “that hurt”. At his feet was a ruptured Miller Lite can.
Seems there were three SUX FANS standing outside the bleachers and they were being taunted by guys along the fence. One of them threw a FULL BEER into the bleachers, striking my friend in the head, the impact causing the can to explode all over my wife.
Security ran down and quickly apprehended these douche bags, tossing them into the tank. We filled out all kinds of paperwork, but never received follow up to the incident.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
That's awful...
going to the ball park and having to deal that isn’t right.
I’ve had two experiences one at Wrigley and the other at Miller Park. The incident at Wrigley happened to involve a friend of a friend. The “friend” was hassling a guy and his daughter that were in the seats in front of us, of course the “friend” was drunk and I was apologizing on his behalf for the first four innings of the game. I told the “friend” to knock it off or he could find a ride home and he just continued. In the fifth inning he get’s up from his seat and gets a beer and runs into the father and daughter on the concourse. A good samaritan saw the situation and punched the “friend” right in the face. I’m sitting in my aisle seat and see him go rolling past me down the steps. After a minute he came to and asked us why we didn’t help him, we replied with “because you got what you deserved”. Thankfully that was the last time I ever talked to him.
The incident at Miller was nothing more than a drunk cub fan following a bad loss that wanted to beat everyone out of the parking lot. Thankfully for him he experienced a temporary moment of sober sanity and kept on his way.
Only if they taser first and ask questions later...

What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
Totally real.
And no, he didn’t pee his pants (although you’re not cool unless you pee your pants), it’s a shadow from his towel he’s carrying.
What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
If peeing your pants is cool...
… consider me Miles Davis.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Now we have the script and movie poster for the Paul Blart sequel.
may addition by subtraction be real
I once ran on the field at a Savannah Sand Gnats game
Pretty sure they were the AA affiliate of the Expos at the time. The team had just won(which rarely happened) and I was giivng all of the players high 5. I just ran on the field started slapping hands and then I ran off. Looking back it wasn’t the smartest thing I have ever done. Thankfully I didn’t get tased or go to jail
"The doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
Dizzy Dean
Texting Option to Report Behavior?
In St. Louis, you can text a certain number to report inappropriate behavior at the current Busch Stadium. Could that be done at Wrigley?
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
That's actually a really good idea.
I know some other stadiums which have that feature in place.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
You can do that at Wrigley already.
Problem is — they don’t have enough employees to handle the issues.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And it isn't well displayed.
The signs are everywhere – during the entire game – at Soldier Field. You’d struggle to find the text-in number once the game starts at Wrigley.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Just Curious...
but is the number displayed on the message board under the scoreboard in centerfield? Is it ever displayed on either ribbon board at the bottom of the upper decks down the lines? If you’re in the bleachers looking at the field, that message board under the centerfield scoreboard is not going to be in your line of sight.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
No, I have never seen this number displayed on any board at Wrigley.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Did See Comment On Lack of Employees
Even so, there has got to be a texting reporting system to cut down on the rowdiness at Wrigley. Are the Ricketts so strapped for cash that they simply can’t afford to hire more employees?
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
There IS a system. It is not well publicized.
Even if it were — they don’t have enough people to deal with the problem.
It will cost money to fix this. They have to find that money somewhere.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
TWO TOYOTA SIGNS!
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Text us at 88019 with the keyword FAN and a description of your seat location and issue
The texting service to report a problem has received little publicity. The only place I read about it was an email from Tom Ricketts sent to season ticket holders before the home opener. The relevant paragraph said:
Additionally, we will continue our text messaging service that allows you to call our attention to issues in the ballpark without leaving your seat. Text us at 88019 with the keyword FAN and a description of your seat location and issue and we will respond to your request as soon as possible.
I’ve added it to my cell phone’s directory, but haven’t had an occasion to use it. Perhaps as Al indicates they are too overwhelmed to respond.
If they are 'regularly' too overwhelmed to respond
then there’s their FIRST clue there are more serious systemic crowd control problems…
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
There are serious systemic crowd control problems.
One of the main reasons I made this post.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Interesting
I went ahead and added this to my cell phone as well only to find out I already had a Cubs Security entry, with the number of 78247.
Does that number look familiar to anyone? Maybe it’s from last year, assuming they had this kind of service in place. Or maybe it’s a direct phone extension? At any rate, I’ll keep them both for awhile and certainly use the new one the next chance I get.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Looks like a number you'd text, rather than a phone extension.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
78247 was the number used in 2009
Texting 78247 to report a problem at Wrigley Field was the information I received 8/7/09 from my season ticket rep. I presume the 4/9/10 email from Tom Ricketts saying to text to 88019 supersedes the previous message.
If you Google the old number, you will see this same number is used at many stadiums. With the old number you had to begin your message with word “CUBS” so they would know which stadium is involved. The new number may also be an outside service since you need to use the keyword “FAN.”
Soldier Field has it...
… and it works WONDERFULLY. I love it. It was new within the last couple of seasons, and it has made my job so much easier.
I get a radio call – “there is a report of an intoxicated female in section 123” – and i can go take care of it. Before, i would have never had a clue till she’d already barfed on the family in front of her.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Wait ... you work as security at Soldier Field?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
and he's watching YOU right now!
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Of course he's watching me ...
I’m not a Bears fan.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn cheesehead!
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
You say that
Like there’s something wrong with that. ;-)
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
There are only 5 types of cheese in my refrigerator at the moment
Gotta head to the store soon.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Definitely
Everybody has to have a minimum of a half a dozen varieties of cheese.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
I thought it was half a dozen varieties of mustard...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
don't forget vinegar
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Slightly wrong? ;)
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
Yup. Every home game for the last 4 years.
My full time employer (a concert promoter) is a partial owner of the security company SMG (the management company at Soldier Field) subcontracts to provide security.
We also get called in to the odd Cubs game (generally Sox or Cards) as well as all Wrigley Field concerts, and most of the events in Grant Park.
For the last two seasons, i’ve supervised the security of the south endzone, including the 100, 200, and 300 levels, the concourses, the field level entrances, and the tunnels.
Green Bay fans are easily the most aggressive / ignorant / drunk fans that i deal with on a yearly basis, although nobody topped the Cowboys fans when they came to town a season or two ago.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I will grant you that point,
That Packers fans are bad news. I went to Lambeau Field in 2000, and the alcohol, combined with the fact that the Packers were losing, and the hatred of the Chicago Bears, made me seriously fear for my safety.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think Packer fans are any different than others..
The rivalry with the Bears probably escalates feelings on both sides. I’ve been to Soldier Field almost every year since "99 (as a Packer Fan) and have had no problems. Now if I reacted to every taunt, it might be a different story.
Favre-enfreude
The thrill of seeing an epic Brett Favre fail. Derived from schadenfreude - satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune.
FWIW, I wasn't reacting to taunts at all.
At some point, I’d like to go to a Packers-Bears game at Soldier Field with you. Last year’s game put that idea into my head.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Sit in the south endzone.
I’ll defend you from any meanies.
(Just joking obviously… although the invitation stands. I’d come watch with you guys for a series or two.)
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you are also getting in to something that applies to my frat debate below.
Wisconsin residents drink. A lot. And a lot of the people accusing the frat community of the issues seem to be using U of W as their example.
Wisconsin has led the nation in binge drinking in every year since the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention began its surveys on the problem more than a decade ago.
People in Wisconsin are more likely than anywhere else to drive drunk, according to the National Survey on Drug Use and Health. The state has among the highest incidence of drunken driving deaths in the United States.
I know i’m stereotyping, but a lot of this entire thread is stereotyping, so whatever.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
As a native and UW grad..
I don’t disagree..while many can handle their beer, there are also those who can’t. A lot of the problems is in how you react to the drunken slob. You can retaliate, or contact security.
I agree, security needs to be tight, especially at rivalry games. I’d hate to not be able to take my 7 and 5 year old to any games..
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You're using binge drinking as a statistic?
I could binge drink and legally drive in Wisconsin.
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I'm with you on the 'binge" statistics being silly...
… but its still a standardized number placed across all states that seems to imply that Wisconsin residents partake at a greater rate.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
It sounds like you're generally horrified of being around drunk people at sporting events.
If you don’t mind me asking, why do you keep subjecting yourself to it?
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I'm not.
That was just an exceptionally scary day. Also remember, I was still pretty young when that happened.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I was 16 when that happened,
And it was the first (and still only) regular season NFL game I’ve been to.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh?
We also get called in to the odd Cubs game
“odd Cubs game” could be said about almost any Cubs game lately…
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
What were the Cowboys fans like?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Mouthy, mostly.
Which caused drunk Bears fans to want to fight them… so i can’t really put all the blame on the guys from Texas.
Probably didn’t help the Bears lost 30-10 or something like that.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
What certainly doesn't help
Is that Cowboys fans travel as well as any NFL fans there are. I heard a story from a co-worker of mine who went to the Cowboys-Eagles game in Philadelphia last year (she’s an Eagles fan).
Her son was with her, and he went into the restroom. Seconds later, he came racing out, terrified. Apparently, a group of Cowboys fans and a group of Eagles fans were having an all-out fistfight in the restroom.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
One of your favorites VCF..
Lambeau..
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The thrill of seeing an epic Brett Favre fail. Derived from schadenfreude - satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune.
I haven't been there in almost ten years.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
not since before the rnovation...?
you gotta go..let me know if you are around sometime. I’ve got club level..
Favre-enfreude
The thrill of seeing an epic Brett Favre fail. Derived from schadenfreude - satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune.
Sounds great, will do.
Thanks! :)
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
*Sends wicubfan an email asking if he ever has any extra tickets he's trying to get rid of*
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I would too,
But I don’t have his email address.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
But seriously, I will take Packers tickets off your hands ANY time you can't go.
I’m working towards getting tickets to the Packers/Bears game at Soldier.
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And if you can't make it, count me in
I’ve got distant relatives who are Packer season ticket holders, but they live in Green Bay, so they never miss a game.
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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
security
i agree they need more people but you must understand that for most security people at the park its not a full time gig. As a former usher it’s very intimidating and hard to justify risking life and limb to stop some of these people. When I worked there insurance was not offered to seasonal staff. Also I think for what security is asked to do they’re underpaid. I understand it’s a job many would love to have and I did like it, for every great person that made your day, there were ten jerks dumping on you for not letting you let them run on the field. I think some better pay and benefits might help the situation
by ChewyLemonHeadsAndFriends on May 13, 2010 8:30 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
You're exactly right...
… that they need to treat these jobs better, pay the security folks better, and have more of them.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
IIRC, a few decades ago things were really bad, too
and the Cubs hired all these intimidating guys who wore yellow shirts and descended on misbehaving drunks like a samurai team. You could see those yellow shirts all over the ballpark — they seemed to glow. I think the intimidation factor of having those guys around cut down on the rowdiness. But they were specialists, there specifically for security. Something like that would be a good investment, although it did take away from the “friendly confines” aura. But if it need gettin’ done …
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by waiting4cubs on May 13, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
There is the issue of "security" versus "ushers" as well.
They aren’t one in the same.
I’ve taken a class, gotten my PERC licence, been fingerprinted, had my backround check run, and paid several hundred dollars so i could be classified as “Security” for events i work at Soldier Field, Grant Park, concerts around the city, and even the occasional Cubs game. The average usher at Wrigley HAS NOT done this (and isn’t required or encouraged or incentivized to) and therefor, doesn’t know how to (and technically isn’t allowed to unless personally put in to danger) break up a fight.
Adding ushers doesn’t fix the problem, other than the “you won’t act out when you are being watched” thing, which obviously isn’t working anymore. Actual licensed and trained security is the only option, but you have to pay those guys a lot more.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
That's kind of what I'm suggesting.
Not more “ushers”, but trained security (or uniformed police). Yes, I am aware this costs a lot more. I believe it’s worth it to the Cubs.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Really, not a LOT more anyways.
When i work security, i generally get 2 or 3 times the pay as the ushers get, and the ushers are getting right around minimum wage.
I would venture to say any security guy is worth 2 or 3 ushers in terms of actually solving problems with the crowd though.
Cut a few ushers, who are powerless, and add a couple security, and it ends up nearly even.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I love idea #1
Ideas #2 and #3 also sounds good, along with more of a “zero-tolerance policy” enforced.
I’m not sure about #4. If you do a good job with 1-3, #4 shouldn’t be necessary.
Also correct, although...
… limiting the amount of alcohol sold would obviously reduce the amount of drunkenness. But I’d do #1, #2 and #3 first, with #4 as a sort of “last resort”.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Glad to see you
picked up on the post idea.
Anyone else want to share their bleacher stories from hell?
I was at the game sitting in the bleachers
when Neifi Perez tried to bunt for a base hit with two outs in the bottom of the 9th. I know that’s not the type of horror story you wanted, but that still haunts my dreams.
On a serious note, I haven’t seen the major things other people have, but my brother and I have yelled at people for outstepping the boundaries of a good heckle.
"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth
Just the usual ...
one person asking: “is the small opening next to you ‘taken’ ?” , and when you say ‘no’ (meaning it’s available) the person asking, AND THREE OF THEIR FRIENDS, squeeze past you stepping on your feet and spilling beer on you as all four people sit down and take up the space meant for a single, small child.
Oh, and at least three of the four are large, shirtless, hairy, sweaty men…who are drunk and often sunburned- so they smell really, really good.
Is this the type of story you mean?
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
Mine is tame
Some guy threw a garbage bag full of popcorn several rows. The bag didn’t spill but it hit several people. He got the “come with me” talk and was back by the next inning.
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by Shanghai Badger on May 13, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Either in 2003 or 2004
I was in the bleachers for a couple Cubs/Cards games, and more than a few fights broke out, I had beer dumped all over me, and my girlfriend at the time got elbowed.
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by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
The last time I went to Wrigley
was in 08 and I wanted to sit in the bleachers, but after hearing some of the horror stories, I didnt want to subject my wife to it. It was her first time at Wrigley and didnt want it to be bad. Went to a few games and sat in left field, and paid more for those tickets, but didnt want to risk the possibilities. It sounds like its getting worse.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
Actually, the problem starts...........
…………before many of these people enter the park. Day or night game, a large number of attendees are plowed before they cross the Wrigley gates. Security should do a better job of screening drunks BEFORE ENTRY.
And while I agree with the need to hire more security, the overall situation could be dramatically improved if the current group put some TEETH into their actions. People get pulled to the back for the infamous “stern lecture” and then return to their seats, always to the cheering and accolades of their drunken buddies. If a true “zero tolerance” policy was in place, these morons would be tossed IMMEDIATELY. Instead, security gets caught up in asking questions, smoothing feathers, etc. when they really need to DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM.
Based on my experience, if the screening at the gate improved, and if the existing security staff ran these idiots straight away, it would go a very long way to ensuring these absurd problems didn’t arise inside the bleachers.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
FWIW...
… as I posted, security HAS been preventing obviously drunk people from getting in, on recent dates. They have to continue this problem.
And yes, I agree with the zero tolerance policy. Allowing people back after the “stern lecture” sends the message, “Hey, I can do whatever I want, and I can stay here!”
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That's a little harsh.
I’d settle for the old standard – .10. I mean, you’re not driving; you’re watching a baseball game.
And the vendors have to go. Anybody serving beer must be under strict orders not to serve anyone visibly intoxicated, just like restaurants and bars. And after the 7th inning stretch, no more beer.
And I thought selling it for eight bucks or whatever a cup was enough to keep people sober. It would me.
Yankees suck.
by Steaming Pile on May 13, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
How about banning all beer sales in the bleachers?
After all this IS the root of the problem.
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on May 13, 2010 8:51 AM CDT reply actions
That would cancel out the yearly expected revenue from that Toyota sign in a couple of weekends.
You sure?
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
That would only be a last resort.
I think the other ideas I suggested could solve the problem first.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Not entirely the problem.
Plenty of “fans” coming in already drunk and you see flasks/bottles hoisted all the time.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
NOOOOOOO!
I really enjoy my one or two beers at the park.
Besides, that’s not gonna happen. They’d stand to lose too much $. Not to mention that then the drunks will just go to other sections in the park.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
One or two, fine.
Maybe the suggestion below of limiting sales to that via wristband or some other similar system is the way to go.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
On second thought...not sure.
I like having my husband get me the beer. Once his wristband is used up, I’d have to go get it myself. That would just stink.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
Whether you think this is a good idea or not
this will never happen. Al’s idea of limiting beer sales is better. Or instead of selling beer when the gates open, wait until first pitch or some other designated time to begin beer sales.
by Northside Matt on May 13, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Will never happen.
They’d lose way too much revenue by doing so.
And, I’d bet that a LOT of people wouldn’t even go to the games if they did that.
In a town of 8 million or so with a national fandom
I’m pretty sure you can keep the park filled.
Just a hunch.
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by NobodySpecial on May 13, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Metro Chicagoland...
is nearly 10 million, I believe.
by CubsWin!Oregon on May 13, 2010 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
NFW
There’s some of us that can have some beers and not resort to this.
CPD presence will work.
Just win the next game...!
So are you trying to tell me that
when I saw all those half to almost full beers left by fans leaving early….that wasn’t beer? I was thinking to myself “how can someone spend that much money on a beer and NOT drink it?” Guess, now I know.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
If you ever get a beer
in the bleachers, I suggest you dont set your cup down. ;)
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
That is going to make it challenging
trying to keep score with a beer in my hand. I’m going to need one of those hats with the straws.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
new profile pic?
When you wear it you need someone to shoot your pic and post it. That would be classic.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
Like this?

"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
I was thinking more along the lines of this.
But mine would have a “C” on the front and much better beer. Sorry, Bud fans, but I just can’t stand that stuff. Bleech.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on May 13, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Once again earning my respect.
But mine would have a "C" on the front and much better beer.
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by Shanghai Badger on May 13, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
And you earned my respect
listing all the Dr’s the yesterday. :)
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on May 13, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I've got that model!
With the Cubs logo on the front. I bought it at Wrigley, oh, 25 years ago. At least I think that it is still in a box in the garage…
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
:P
I like the hat but Old Style rules!
Funny thing is people in most every state besides Illinois just laugh at me when I say I like Old Style…to me it was definitely a shame when Harry brought weak Bud to Wrigley Field. Then again, perhaps a popular light beer was needed.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I confess I do drink Old Style at the game.
But Bud, never. Well, unless someone else bought it for me. Then I’d drink it not to be rude. However, as far as Old Style is concerned it’s a sentimental quirk of mine. I enjoy it in a plastic cup at Wrigley. But it’s NOT my kind of beer. I’m more of a Spaten Oktoberfest, Fuller’s Porter, Guinness person and please serve it in a proper glass.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on May 13, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
my kind of lady..
Bud light shouldn’t be comsumed by anyone.
Favre-enfreude
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Bud products give me an almost immediate headache.
I will say the BL Golden Wheat isn’t bad for a Bud product.
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
I agree with you on your other beer choices and definitely a glass.
And I hate light beer of any kind…it’s like eating a lite twinkie…tastes like crap and what’s the point.
Bud products all taste like drinking water to me…
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Guess that just needs a matching set of pants to fulfull
the in-out needs of the current bleacherites.
may addition by subtraction be real
I skimmed and saw 'in-out' and got really excited for an In-N-Out burger.
Damnit, I’m hungry.
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Ooh
Thanks for the reminder. Dinner time – and I/O it is :)
"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella
Oh, yikes!
Thanks for the heads-up.
Never once thought of it. In the words of Norm Peterson (of Cheers) and ironically sort of a hero to me, “Well, I never met a beer I didn’t drink. And down it goes.”
And speaking of Normie and in the theme of today’s big rainfall….
“Evening everybody”
Everybody: “Norm!”
“Still pouring Norm?”
“That’s funny, I was about to ask you the same thing.”
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on May 13, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
My favorite line of Norm's entering Cheer's to the chorus of "NORM"s was his response to Woody's "What's up Mr. Peterson?":
“It’s a dog-eat-dog world and I’m wearing Milk Bone underwear…”
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
I knew someone would bite on this - excellent choice you picked
How ’bout, for those of us who are plesantly plump:
“What’s shaking Norm?”
“All four cheeks and a couple of chins.”
Or for the new parents:
“Hey Norm, how’s the world been treating you?”
“Like a baby treats a diaper.”
Just win the next game...!
I'm easily distracted by shiny objects and suckered into going off-topic
…hence my nomination as “most likely to hijack a thread” earlier this year.
I lost the election but I’m campaigning twice as hard for the next one… ;)
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
"Your honor: the defense rests..."

"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
What's going on, Mr. Peterson?
No, Woody, what’s going in Mr. Peterson?
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by Dan Serafini on May 13, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Good post
I will say, however, that over the last few years of attending 10 or so games a year, about half in the bleachers, I haven’t seen the extreme behavior ballhawk described. I’ve never seen anyone lose their lunch, never seen a fight, and never seen anyone pee (thankfully). The last game I went to I decided to go at the last minute, and arrived late, so I didn’t try to sit with Al’s group. I just wove my way into about the seventh row of the LF bleachers and sat among strangers. The group to my left were not noticeable in any way. The group to my right was a set of 20-somethings, two of whom were pretty wasted by the 3rd inning, and who bragged of going off to the men’s room to smoke some weed. They were barely into the game, but they weren’t loud or obnoxious. The group in front of me was a few high school students from the suburbs. The boys sat raptly watching the game, and the girls texted and flirted with the drunk guys to their right (I know, I don’t get it either). Behind me were two businessmen taking a day off on their trip to Chicago. They were hammered by about the sixth, and couldn’t keep track of the game. But, again, they were basically just talking to each other or sitting in stoned silence. There were a few dudes within hearing distance who would stand up to yell something, but it was usually just “Right Field Sucks.” A few other people seemed to stand up just to have people up top yell down that they were “so hot” and such: guys taking off their shirts, girls stretching. In other words, a pretty typical bleacher day from my experience.
I know you’re not asking for everyone to post trivia, but maybe it is only certain days, like the college discount days, that are more of a problem.
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by cubzfan on May 13, 2010 8:52 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Whats strikes
Me with your story, is that it could have gone the other way, instead of “stoned silence” you could have had drunken mayhem. Consider yourself fortunate that you didn’t have to deal with ballhawks accurate description of typical bleacher behavior.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
It's getting worse on a daily basis.
I can only imagine how bad it is going to get on a hot summer night if they don’t fix this problem.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It's all about the Benjamins.
When the threat of litigation by someone injured (or worse) in the stands outweighs the team revenue generated from beer and food sales to drunk fans, only THEN will something be done.
Or maybe when some very public, nationally televised melee gives the Cubs a public relations disaster to ‘spin control.’
Those are unfortunately the only two scenarios I see forcing the Cubs hand to make the needed changes.
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
This is kind of why I wrote this post.
Hoping maybe someone with the Cubs will take notice and do these things before a disaster happens.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
From your keyboard to their eyes Al.
Hope it works.
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
Cops...sss (plural)
CPD presence. See my comment below…
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on May 13, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the additional perspective
Understand that what I described are the "low"lights of bleacher activity over several games – a combination of my scattered bleacher visits (plus what I see from the outside) and events retold to me by bleacher regulars who I trust. I’m not suggesting that everything I described happens in every game – god, I sure hope not. But they do happen, and I believe the frequency of such events is only increasing.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Al, I like your comparisons to Yankee stadium.
The fans there for the most part are there for the game, although there are some idiot drunks. But the die hard fans dont tolerate the BS and will point them out to security. I know the stopping drinking thing wont stop it all together, but if they dont serve after like the third,inning, by the time the end is around, maybe the sobering effect will be taking place.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
Increase security? Yeah. Add Police? Yup.
Disagreed with 1 and 4 though. Maybe it’s been a while since you were a student, Al, but budgets are stretched pretty slim for most college students. Any discount helps, and I really don’t see much of a difference in the level of drunkenness if you slap an extra $8 back on the ticket price.
Additionally, most fights I see in or around Wrigley involve men older than the typical ‘frat boy’. I was driving to get some dinner last night and was stopped at Clark and Addison. On the sidewalk was a group of 5 guys, none of which college-aged, pushing and shoving, continually being separated. These are the same idiots I see fighting at the Brewers/Cubs games I go to. The college kids might be the ones getting wasted and puking, but I think generally it’s the older crowd that’s getting into actual fights.
As far as limiting alcohol sales go, not only is it not going to happen, but it SHOULDN’T happen. If I want to drink 10 beers, who are you to tell me that I can’t? Now, if I start pissing on your leg, then yeah – I should be arrested. That’s why this issue, at its core, is running out of control because of a lack of security/enforcement. I know plenty of people who can drink a ton, hold their booze well, and have a good time while not really bothering anyone else.
I know you’re not going to change because you’ve been sitting there for years, but you’re in the bleachers… I think it’s widely known that they will be a little ‘rowdier’ than the rest of the ballpark. There’s no excuse for fighting, puking, urinating all over the place (it sounds like I’m describing a Miami University sorority formal). But I blame the Cubs as much as I blame the idiots doing these things. Cutting off beer sales in the 4th inning isn’t fair to the people who can drink responsibly. It’s time to up the security and just get the idiots out of the ballpark and into a bar across the street, where that type of behavior is commonplace.
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As noted...
… there isn’t ENOUGH security to take care of the problems.
And there’s no reason the bleachers have to be rowdy. People should be there to watch baseball. That’s what the place is for.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
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there isn’t ENOUGH security to take care of the problems.
Which is why I agree with you on adding more security…
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Re: college student budgets...
If they can afford all that expensive beer at the game, I think they can afford to fork over the extra cash for the ticket
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by mikegncb34 on May 13, 2010 9:37 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
I agree 100% If they can spend over $60 for beer, they can come up with the extra cash for the ticket. Maybe that would cut into their beer stash, but that would be a good thing for all concerned.
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Now that makes a lot of sense. If you're willing and wanting to spend $80 on beer
Why would you be upset about 8 bucks extra for a ticket. Only because you want an extra beer.
I know a ton of people who get drunk and act civilly as well, but there are a lot of people who can’t and getting people wasted is a crap shoot…this is a baseball game, not a house party to have 8 to 10 beers as you suggest. Who are they to suggest you can’t drink that much? Hopefully, the management of a baseball team that wants their fans to actually watch a game rather than drink to a drunken stupor and risk completely irresponsible behavior.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Where in my post did I "suggest" that the bleachers should be a house party?
Yes, I’m a college student, but every time I go to a Cubs game, I go for the Cubs GAME, not the Cubs experience.
Honestly, I’ve never sat in the bleachers before at Wrigley, and this is the main reason why. I don’t want to deal with those “bad apples” out there. I’d rather enjoy the game and relax in the grandstand and lower levels
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
But you're discouraging the wrong crowd from attending then
If you can afford the beer, you can afford the ticket. You’re not discouraging the “frat boys” from going. But what about the students who take advantage of the ticket to actually watch the game?
I think that's the point the Al is trying to get at...
Most people appear that they DO want to watch the game, but there are a few bad apples that are ruining it. I wasn’t really arguing either way regarding the discount days…I was just stating, in a reply to a post by Schwa, that I think that college students ought to be able to afford the extra few bucks for the ticket when they pay all that money for a beer when he talked about a college student’s budget
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
If you get rid of the college discount
You’re not going to stop the people there to socialize and drink from showing up. So removing the discount isn’t going to remove the problem.
Anecdotally, there were games I would not have attended but for being able to afford the ticket through the college discount
This makes perfect sense.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
The math makes sense
But it won’t eliminate the problem. They can afford the beer, so they can afford the ticket. They’re still going to go to the game.
The students who can’t afford the tickets without the discount now can’t go.
As much as I abhor "frat boys" at Wrigley
Schwa’s got a point. I enjoyed the discounted tickets more than once while a college student. I never caused trouble and neither did my friends. Can’t we just ban “brahs” and the texting bimbos?
I love the atmosphere possible in the bleachers but will probably never sit there again. My husband and I went to the Saturday game in April vs. the Astros. There were a couple of small families with young kids but mainly large groups of dudes and the ladies that come with them. We had a hard time keeping our seats because the geoup to our right kept shifting down to accommodate more people. Then they started a fight with the group in front of us. Granted, once they got themselves ejected we had more room but they waited until the 7th to get booted.
As far as the vending issue is concerned, I saw ridiculous lines for all the beer stands in RF. (On a sidenote, it’d be nice if the security personnel could do something about the standing people blocking the walkways to the concessions.)
I guess I’m just “old” and jaded (I’m 24, by the way) but the bleachers just aren’t fun anymore.
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by CubsGirl on May 13, 2010 9:43 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ugh.
Can’t we just ban "brahs" and the texting bimbos?
And how would you go about defining them? Anybody with hipster sunglasses (i own a pair). Anybody who was once a member of a greek organization (again, i was)? Any girl who is dressed in such a manner to draw attention to her cleavage?
I qualify as the sort of person you’d like to keep out. Guess what – i’ve also worked security in the bleachers a half dozen, maybe a dozen times in the last few years.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
You have cleavage?
I wouldn’t have guessed by your signature ;)
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
I generally head in to the bleachers looking like this:

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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Max!
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
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Colonel Blake: "Mother dying... (flips to next page in folder)
Older sister dying. (flips to next page in folder)
Mother dying and older sister pregnant. (flips to next page in folder)
Mother pregnant and younger sister dying. (flips to next page in folder)
Here’s an oldie but a goodie: Half the family dying, the other half pregnant.
Klinger! Aren’t you ashamed of yourself?"
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"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
Not quite the point...
No. Sunglasses and greek letters does not a Brah make. Those things combined with skintight t-shirts, a generally obnoxious need to yell everything, a lack of respect for those around you and a baseball cap with the brim ironed flat and shiny sticker still attached all make a Brah. Granted, a bit of stereotyping going here, but it’s not without good reason.
For the record, I got no beef with cleavage when said boobage comes attached to a self-respecting female with a decent IQ.
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by CubsGirl on May 13, 2010 2:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Why should IQ matter? Just askin'
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Why shouldn't IQ matter? Just sayin'
I prefer my big-breasted women with a little brains…
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Are you talkin' to me, Brah?

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by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Not quite MY point.
You asked why we can’t just ban "brahs" and texting bimbos. I’m not sure what your definition of a “brah” is (and the hats you describe are more prevalent in urban culture than that of the frat boys you are trying to imply anyways), but i’m guessing there are some “brahs” out there who are OK guys.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Astoundingly I agree with you here.
I’d also say that saying cleavage is fine only with girls demonstrating an acceptable IQ is a silly idea all around. Unless I get to be the judge of said IQ cleavage.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
You judge the IQ
I’ll judge the cleavage
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Duly noted
I will admit, I have limited one-on-one interaction with said subgroup of males. The image I have comes from the years I spent working in restaurant on a college campus where, unfortunately for the exceptions to the standard like you, that was the attitude and general affect of frat boys.
I was also being mildly sarcastic about the ban (which I thought would be apparent through the total impossibility of a rule like that) but I guess I forgot to hit the /sarcasm button.
"Awards mean a lot, but they don't say it all. The people in baseball mean more to me than statistics." - Ernie Banks aka Mr. Cub
What about wristbands?
You could show ID once, immediately upon entry, and get a wristband that would be valid for up to a certain number of beers (4?). Vendors would mark off the wristband with an indelible marker. You couldn’t just cut off the wristband and get a new one, because you can only get them when you first enter. Sure, you might bring a non-drinking friend and have them buy you more beers, but it would stop the groups where everyone is having eight drinks.
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
Yes but the vendors have little control
on what’s consumed outside of the ball park. Most of these slack jaws come in crocked before the first pitch is thrown.
Some of these people have been denied entrance in recent days.
The Cubs need to keep that up.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I don't know if regular security
could handle such things properly. A trained eye a breathlyzer and badge that is backed by the law is needed in weeding out unruly drunks and keeping them out.
This is my favorite sentence of the day... so far
Most of these slack jaws come in crocked before the first pitch is thrown
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"KDMs"
Knuckle Dragging Morons
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
No it's not.
This is a horrible idea. Just increase security in the bleachers. Simple/easy answer.
Agreed
Thats a great idea. I drink a few before i go in to some games. ( granted in atlanta). and usually have one, maybe two beers max at a game. why someone would want to get plastered at a game after paying for a ticket, to watch a game, blows my mind. I went to game 2 here with a co-worker and he missed half the game because he kept going to get beers. I had one ,he had about 6. thats like 50$ in beer. so much for the college kids saving $$.
By the way, there are Idiots like that in every park, even in Atl, where they cant even draw. They do like the bleachers alot more for some reason.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
It's easier for drunks in Turner Field to do their thang
Beer carts about every 3rd row on both the upper, lower, and club levels, the Chop House serving hard liquor, the 755 Club doing the same, beer vendors roaming the aisles, and waiters/waitresses in the expensive seats are all options for getting hammered at the Ted. Wrigley doesn’t have nearly as many options for their imbibers.
A favorite activity for the boozers is to buy a $5 ticket for the game, never visit their seat, and just head straight to the Chop House. If you get there early enough and with a big enough crew, you can stake out one of the tables on the railing and catch the game from what are essentially high bleachers (about the same distance from the field as sitting under the scoreboard at Wrigley), and rotate who walks over to the bar and gets the next round. Or wait for the notoriously slow table service.
The Chop House is actually an interesting idea – it’s a non-exclusive bar/restaurant offering views of the action and a wider selection of potables than any other place in the park (except the exclusive 755 Club, which has better selection and higher prices). Essentially, it’s the “cool” place to hang out in the park. All of the problem children described in these comments gravitate there and (most importantly) stay there for the duration of the game, and for good reason: when alcohol sales are cut off in the rest of the park, they keep selling in the Chop House and 755 Club. So after the 7th, if you want to drink, you have to go to one of these places. It corrals all of the drunks in one place, essentially leaving the rest of the park available to families and baseball fans.
As I’ve mentioned before, security is more prevalent at the Chop House than in any other part of the park, so idiocy is kept to a minimum, and there are long awnings below the railing protecting the lower levels of fans from “Oops, I spilled my beer” moments. I understand that space is at a premium in Wrigley, but something similar there could prevent all of the issues mentioned in this article and these comments.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Now you're incuring another overhead cost (wristbands) for an entire season
And slowing down drink service, making longer lines.
And adding one more thing security has to pay attention to: wristband cheating.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
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Understood on the cost and slow service
Why would security have to be involved with the wristbands? In what way would people try to cheat?
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
Trust me... they will find a way to use up one wrist band
and then get a new one. Likely from someone else who isn’t drinking. Trust me. Or forfeiting them.
And if your solution for forfeiting is to print different bands for different dates, then your printing overhead just went up big time.
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Not really.
And if it costs some money? Well then, some things that are worth having cost money. A secure atmosphere at a baseball game is one of them.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
will still cost less
than more security and if it doesnt work than you go to step 2/
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
The wristband solution will probably need additional security hires anyway.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Slowing down drink service?
I don’t have a problem with that. And in any case, if you are limiting the number of drinks via wristband, the lines would soon get quite short.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The slow down would obviously be a cause and effect of
the beer vendors having to check and mark the bands for every customer.
Thus making the lines longer. And even though the limit is 4 (in this hypothetical case), 4 times a game is probably twice the number of times a casual fan may get up to go buy concessions. So, I predict it wouldn’t make the lines any shorter through 7 innings.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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I like this idea (particularly in conjunction with additional police and security).
There are always ways around rules (as you mentioned with the non-drinking friend), but putting a wristband system in place has a number of positive effects:
1. Demonstrates an effort to control the problem. This is could deter people who want to get stinking drunk AND encourage faith in the management that the problem is being addressed.
2. The process of buying beer would take longer. This means less time to drink the beer you just bought, which translates to more people (accidentally or intentionally) pacing their drinking habits. (Similar effect to reducing the number of vendors.)
3. Forces those who are trying to get hammered to imbibe before the game… making them more likely to be denied entrance to the bleachers by security at the door.
Hooray for wristbands! They’re a great supplemental idea (increased police and security presence being the primary methods) to control the increasingly out-of-hand bleacher party.
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Doesn't work so well.
They do this on the Miller Lite Party Deck at First Midwest Bank Amphitheater. People end up just trading / selling / giving away the little beer tabs you pull off your wristband. Anybody that only wants two beers is going to give somebody else their other two.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
This does not address the vastly different capacities that alcohol drinkers have
The behavioral problem (rowdy, uncouth behavior) should be addressed by not tolerating the behavior. Wrigley is also surrounded by watering holes, so you can easily enter in a drunken stupor…and the beer is better outside anyway. Just don’t tolerate the behavior itself.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
I've been to Wrigley probably 20-30 times in my life...
…and I’ve never sat in the bleachers. It’s honestly an experience I’ve kind of avoided because of stuff like this. I’ve sat front row (as evidenced by my profile picture on here) as well as up in the “nose bleeds” and it’s always been an EXTREMELY positive and controlled experience. The ushers are always cordial and anytime there is even the hint of a situation, security has been all over it. When we sat front row (the year those bullpen boxes opened) I was bantering with one of the photographers about trading cameras (I had my little point and shoot and he had a Nikon SLR with a very expensive lens) after about 30 seconds of chatting a security guard came down and actually threatened to remove me from the park if I kept “harassing” the photographer… we both kind of laughed about it, but it’s that type of pro-active security they need out there. Uniformed officers would be a great deterrent, but then you’ll get stuff like in Philly where they act too soon and then the club gets sued. It’s far too fine of a line to have uniformed officers all over, but the idea above about the detention center, and maybe 3 or 4 officers at the back of the bleachers is a good idea. Hell, maybe even stick a few plain clothes guys throughout, kind of like they do with Air Marshalls now. You never who they are, or where they are, but you know if you act up, they’ll be the guy right next to you and you’ll be in a sleeper hold before you can even drop the beer you were about to throw on a player.
What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
Security is the answer here
Those of us that treat a trip to Wrigley as a mini vacation with friends that have a few beers and enjoy the game and the company of friends are not the problem, but we (insert old guys) don’t want to be punished from our very expensive trip (hotel, meals, tickets, travel).
The problem lies in those who cannot hold a few drinks and are over served. I’ve sat in the bleachers many years and sat around some wonderful fun loving people. Yes, a drink gets kicked or you get bumped and somebody gets upset sometimes, but that’s what apologizes are for!
If you can’t handle standard rules of behavior, kick them out. Warn them at first sight of anything close to bad behavior. If they are that dumb to not follow the warning, they should be removed.
Lastly, I believe many who sit near the field are in large groups and tend to go overboard. More security on their feet walking the aisles in these middle sections would help.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on May 13, 2010 9:05 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
So... this week we've already had the monthly "Must tear down Wrigley" posts
And now, we’re going into the “Too much drinking in the bleachers” posts.
Oy… we need to start winning games, so this stuff will go away.
Over the last couple of years, I’ve made the switch from infield terrace reserve to the bleachers. There are just as many drunk idiots in the grandstands, as there are in the bleachers. Get over it.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
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Sorry.
“Get over it” isn’t the answer. Do you want to be the one who one of these idiots picks a fight with?
Trust me, there are NOT as many drunk idiots in the rest of the park as in the bleachers.
And yes, winning games is the main focus. That’s kind of one reason I wrote this post — because the drunken frat party has taken precedence over that with some, and the Cubs appear powerless to stop it.
They HAVE to stop it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
In your opinion
are things worse when we are winning, losing, or about the same?
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
Doesn't seem to matter.
The Cubs won yesterday — and it was one of the rowdier days I can remember.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I sat in 135 Tuesday night, and saw an entire group of "seemingly underage" drinkers
cause a ruckus all night long… and after being harassed multiple times every other inning or so by several ushers, they were granted to stay all night (likely because there were hot girls in the group).
The drinking occurs everywhere in the park… and unfortunately, so does fighting.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Yes, fights occur everywhere in the park.
But more often in the bleachers.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Not funny, really.
This isn’t a get-off-my-lawn rant. It’s a plea for acting civilized.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I didn't read it as such
I read it as more a plea to Ricketts to look around and figure out what he wants.
If he wants the party or near-out-of-control atmosphere, then keep going. but if not, now is the time to fix it.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
Worse yet
You’re just sitting there minding your own business and one of the two drunks in a fight above you falls onto you. Let’s face it, drunk people don’t fight well. Other people get hurt too that are behaving responsibly.
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by RiskyBusiness on May 13, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
There are an awful lot of drunks in the rest of the park.
But they aren’t as concentrated as in the bleachers. Put 100 drunks each 100 feet apart and you won’t have a big problem. Put them all in one section and you get what’s happening in the bleachers.
In the early 80s I was sitting in the bleachers when all of a sudden I got hit with the most outrageous food poisoning and could only make it to the stairway in the left field bleachers before losing my breakfast among other things. One of the guards saw this, grabbed me and dragged me down to an area under the right field bleachers. There I was grilled on how much I had had to drink. I hadn’t had a drop I said, I’m just sick. I told them I wasn’t sure that I was done being sick and with that, one of the idiots slapped me really hard in the back of the head. I made a mental note and sure enough, when I got sick again, I chose him as a target and wiped out his shoes and pants.
Finally their boss came down and could see that I wasn’t drunk at all. He yelled at the thugs who had held me and, no doubt sensing a lawsuit, offered me a voucher for tickets to a future game. I was young and dumb enough to take the voucher.
Thanks for Sharing
To put it delicately, that was a bad day for you in the bleachers. If it was the early 80s, I’m guessing there were a lot of empty seats in the bleachers.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
There were indeed many empty seats.
You could really stretch out in those days. Of course one reason you could stretch out is the team absolutely sucked. I can’t believe I accepted tickets to another game but I lived near the park and went to so many games in those days, I guess I figured why not save the twelve bucks or whatever it was for four bleacher seats back then.
Yet another reason why it's just better to stay home
Cubs fans are just embarassing sometimes.
Hire ex-military guys to be security, give them guns and tell them you will cover their legal fees no matter what they do out there.
Yes, it is extreme, but since I stay home, I am perfectly safe, and that is all that matters.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 13, 2010 9:12 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
They are everywhere
They are at all parks. I see the same stuff in ATL and saw some of it in NY. But in NY they will enforce it. The simple answer seems to be a no 2nd chace policy. By what im reading that is the biggest issue.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
It never ends.
Hire ex-military guys to be security, give them guns and tell them you will cover their legal fees no matter what they do out there.
Your over the top BS really detracts from any point you ever try to make. I’m past the point of trying to determine if it’s hyperbole or if you’re actually crazy.
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Did you hear that?
It’s the sound of my heart breaking over you being past the point of anything. Really, I’m crushed. I don’t know how I’m going to go on. Honest.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
You should use the LI3 on him.
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by katie casey on May 13, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
If you say so. :)
As catchy as you make it sound, it still doesn’t make much sense to me. I think it’s quite possible to learn something, yet not live it and/or love it.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
It is a state of mind
It is not enough to learn it. You must accept it,, embrace it, become it, dream of it and make love to it.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
We tried this already in Iraq, and it didn't work
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
You apparently haven't read a paper in the last 2 years.
(I know, Al. My last comment on it).
by CubsWin!Oregon on May 14, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I read the paper every day, thanks
You think that the hired mercenary thing worked? Those companies did a lot to damage our image abroad. I suggest that you read a little more carefully.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
by vonde6 on May 14, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Increase beer prices
Would $8-$10 beers help alleviate the problem?
Aren't they already fairly close to that?
Last game I saw in person was in St. Louis and beers were $9
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
punish the responsible ones
because of some idiots??
NO!!!!
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
from a business perspective
the Cubs might sell less beer at $10/beer, but the markup in price could ensure their beer revenue won’t decline. then with less beer sales, maybe games will be a little less rowdy. just throwing this out there.
by Northside Matt on May 13, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Probably not.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Wonderful
I am sitting in the bleachers for the first time for the June 19th game vs the Angels…. not looking forward to it now – I’m too old for this crap!
chris
Take a position near the top of a section...........
……….and you’ll likely enjoy the proceedings. Plus you’ll have a back rest.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
You're welcome to sit in our section.
Usually, it’s calmer there.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
This Is True
For those of you who haven’t been in the far left field corner of the bleachers, I can say that it is calmer from personal experience.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Being relatively old myself...........
……….and a bleacher season ticket holder as well, I thought some sage-like wisdom was worth interjecting!
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
The Bleachers aren't as devilish as they are made out to be here today
Every year I choose a couple bleacher games, and have had extremely positive experiences. I have made friends while waiting in line, played the dollar game w/ complete strangers, and have have been able to watch the action from my favorite vantage point, left- center field. Blaming beer sales in the “Bud Lite” bleachers is overlooking a larger issue in society as a whole. While most Americans still enjoy drinks socially, some look to get plastered, whether in a bar, at home, or in Wrigley’s bleachers. However, I too did wonder why so many full beers were left in the stands after the game… peeing in a cup should be left for the Dr.’s office.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will
Wow seriously???
If you don’t want to sit around people who are drinking then go sit in the family section.
I am not advocating people getting shitfaced and puking on themselves, but they paid the money to be there too. if they want to walk around covered in shit, then just point and laugh. Obviously there is something wrong with them but it shouldn’t affect you… OTOH, if they puke on you, then i can see the gripe.
Yes, seriously.
It’s not “people who are drinking”. It’s people who go to games for the sole purpose of getting drunk. There are too many of those and those are the ones who start trouble.
If you want to do that, stay home.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
If people want to pay a $50 cover
to get into a bar, then let them. If there are more people who would rather watch the game, then they would buy the tickets. I’ve been in the bleachers and have never been distracted from the game on the field unless I wanted to be. If the product on the field was enjoyable enough this wouldn’t be an isue.
Wrong.
The product on the field has nothing to do with it. It is a baseball game, win or lose. If people want to go out and get drunk, they should go to bars.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
My point didn't come across clear.
If it was a more fun and exciting game, then you wouldn’t be distracted. If you are distracted, aside from someone bumping into you or puking on you, then it’s your own fault.
by GoCubbies34 on May 13, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Wrong again.
It doesn’t have to be a “fun and exciting game” for people to behave and not act like idiots.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
This is so wrong I almost don't know where to start.
Guys yelling and starting fights for no other reason than they are drunk is only distracting if you are losing? Puking and throwing beer on fans is only distracting if it’s a “fun and exciting game”? that’s an idiotic statement.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not watching the fights if I care about the game
I don’t see why it’s a big deal. Like I said, if i’m getting puked on it would be hard for that not to be distracting
by GoCubbies34 on May 13, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Product doesn't seem to matter much.
Please note that the problem has been growing for several seasons now. Take a look at the Cubs records for the last several seasons. Three winning seasons in a row, including two playoff seasons. The product is not a factor here.
Unless, of course, you’re referring to the game of baseball in general. This is another invalid argument. If the problem was that people didn’t like baseball, why would the continue to come to the ballpark? And if they are simply coming there to drink (and not pay attention to baseball), then making it more difficult to drink yourself into a stupor is EXACTLY what a large number of fans (and the organization) wants.
"It's Spring Training. You know how many home runs Barry Bonds hit off me? One - in Spring Training." - Big Z
This is definitely wrong.
See my below post…the game being interesting or not has nothing to do with it, when people go to a game and drink that much, it’s because they want to get drunk and act like an idiot, not because they don’t like the product on the field.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
That isn't what I'm saying at all
What I am saying is who gives a shit of people are fighting. I’m going to be watching the game, especially if it is a good game.
If it is a bad game, then hey you got some entertainment in the bleachers.
by GoCubbies34 on May 13, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
If it's a bad game, it's still a baseball game.
A baseball park is not a place for “entertainment”, apparently defined by you as drunks fighting.
Go somewhere else if you want that. It has to be eliminated from Wrigley, permanently.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Baseball park isn't a place for entertainment?
Isn’t that why there is a game on the field?
by GoCubbies34 on May 14, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
So what happens when you do pay $50 cover in a bar?
You can have some drinks, yes. But if you get too drunk and/or get in a fight – you get kicked out by the bouncers.
Wrigley Field should be no different.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on May 13, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Took my second coffee to smarten up today.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on May 13, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but they're not limiting you to 4 drinks in that bar.
The alcohol limit is foolish. More security that actually does something is the answer.
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bingo
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Actually, a bar should limit you
There are laws against overserving a patron. Bars can be held responsible for your actions after you have been overserved, in the case of a DUI, etc.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on May 13, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
lol - I'll look for the virtual cupie doll later
Non-game day post….
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on May 13, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL. The collective colons of all sporting venues in the country just tightened
at the thought of being held liable and accountable for the actions of fans that they admit and over serve.
Can you imagine?
Why even I’d go to law school to get a degree to pick up a piece of THAT litigation tsunami.
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
Illinois' dram shop law
Here’s a head start for your law degree.
From Wikipedia
Under Illinois’ dram shop law, plaintiffs can recover after demonstrating that:
1. alcohol was sold to the patron by the defendant;
2. damages were sustained by the plaintiff;
3. the sale of alcohol was the proximate cause of the intoxication; and
4. intoxication was at least one cause of the plaintiff’s damages.
Proximate cause includes the requirement that the dram shop must have been able to foresee that its actions could cause injuries to third parties, but this is true for any establishment that serves (sells) alcohol. One Illinois court allowed a lawsuit against a company that dropped off self-serve barrels of beer at a union picnic.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on May 13, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
After Josh Hancock's accident, his dad was going to sue (amongst others) the bar for overserving.
It’s not unheard of, but I don’t think it’s very fair. Each person should be responsible for their own actions.
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I remeber that
Here’s another abuse of that law
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on May 13, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
On second thought, never mind.
I knew there was a good reason I didn’t go into law…
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
No, it's actually not another winner.
These guys getting in fights aren’t the ones you would stop serving. The whole ‘we will not overserve you’ thing is generally reserved for the people who can barely function – as vonde6 points out – the slurring, stumbling, about-to-puke brigade.
The guys fighting can handle their booze. Some of them go out for the day on a mission to fight someone. Some can’t handle being called a name. Some will just get pissed for no reason and look to take it out on the first person they see that looks at them funny. But if one of these guys went to order a beer, he’d be standing straight up, speaking clearly, and you wouldn’t refuse him service. They don’t fight because they’ve had 10 beers. They fight because that’s just what some guys do.
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I'm not sure I agree with this.
The booze fuels the anger. Yes, some people are looking for a fight no matter what. But I’m convinced the alcohol makes it worse, and the more alcohol, the worse it gets.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
+1
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Correlation vs. Causation
Are they fighting because they’re drinking or do they just happen to be drinking when they’re fighting?
They’d get in a fight if you limited them to 4 beers or let them drink 12.
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The Bouncer doesn't care
You just get thrown out.
So I think we all agree on the increased security presence with CPD for immediate enforcement.
I doubt the Cubs will go Alcohol-free in the Bleachers. They are called the Bud Light Bleachers…
But at earlier cut-off could be possible.
FWIW – I know my beer vendor in the grandstands by name. He stops by my section near last call and ask me and my friends (mostly due to their patronage) if he should save beers for us.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on May 13, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Cannot agree with you at all here
Because some people are pleasant or pass out with 10 beers doesn’t change the fact that for many, it just aggravates anger and getting aggressive. I’m sure you saw that at college. Cutting drinking down lessens the number of problems and if someone wants to drink that much, they should go to a party where their behavior won’t affect the other fans watching a baseball game.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't it possible....
that anyone who would be coming to the park looking to start a fight might be less likely to come to the park if there was less readily available alcohol and a more family-friendly culture in the bleachers?
Listen, all I can do is speak from my experience.
In MY experience, people that get in fights usually have that agenda when they go out. If you limit the beer sales, they’ll drink more before the game. It’s like how some people at UW thought they could curb student drunkenness by having 11:00 am games. People either started drinking earlier or showed up later.
As long as they’re called the Bud Lite Bleachers, you’re not going to see any dramatic shift in the way/duration/limit of alcohol sales at Wrigley. What you SHOULD and hopefully WILL see are a) more security (who will actually do something), and b) police officers. That is the only way this ‘madness’ (however overblown I think it is) will end. Instead of trying to change the behavioral patterns of irrationally thinking people, you should all be writing a letter to the Cubs – an organization that theoretically would listen to its customers under the new ownership. If Ricketts has the time to write a letter about a STUPID sign, I’m sure he can squeeze in a solution to what seems to be a major problem for some of you. And I highly doubt he’ll have people up in arms when he announces that there will be more security and they will not tolerate puking, pissing, fighting, and any of the other behavior that has offended many of you.
I feel like Jessica every time I capitalize a RANDOM word like that, but sometimes you HAVE to.
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Can't quite tell if you're serious...
and you agree with what I wrote, or if I just inadvertently became the flag bearer for the Drunken Idiot Brigade. My stance is clear, right?
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I think so.
You’re calling for more security and police.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Right
And this limit is based on something tangible, like staggering, slurred speech, whatever.
Limiting a guy who weighs 250 lbs to four beers in three hours to arrive a a least common denominator is not sensible like this. Bars know how to be sensible.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
True, Beer Coupons probably won't work
There are various tactics to can be applied. Earlier beer cut-off sales in the bleachers is one. Increased security with CPD is definitely an option. I have previously seen CPD walking in the Grandstands.
Overall, it will be catching and removing the bad apples in the Bleachers that will be the answer. Not one specific tactic or another.
Sorry to say it, but from the Grandstands, Bleacher fights can be seen as part of the show. Sad, but true.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on May 13, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Ding ding!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Drink Responsibly
It’s not just an advertising slogan
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on May 13, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I sit in the bleachers probably 10 times a year.
For the most part, everyone is well behaved. I think this is a case of a few ruining it for the many. I agree with the idea of added security, but not with the limits on alcohol. If people are going to act like idiots, make them pay. But don’t ruin the fun for everyone else that can control themselves.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
So you're saying it's OK for people to buy as many drinks as they want and get plastered?
Because that’s the start of the trouble.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
No... I think he's saying the most people act responsibly.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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The problem is...
… that the (relatively) small number of people who do NOT act responsibly, are ruining it for the rest of us.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
This is an isolated case of bad behavior.
And, without knowing any data on related subject matter… I’m sure the same thing occurs at the same % rate at all professional sporting events across the country.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Just as I said in the post.
Does that mean it has to be tolerated at Wrigley Field? No.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Drunken idiots should not be tolerated.
But what about all the people that can drink and handle themselves?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Those aren't the people causing trouble.
And I doubt there are too many of those who are slamming down eight, ten, twelve beers a game.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Let me put it this way.
I’ve been to Wrigley before with a big group of guys who drank…a lot. I’m not sure how many we each had, but lets say 7 to be generous. We all had a great time, minded our p’s and q’s and didn’t cause any trouble. Limiting alcohol sales to folks like us wouldn’t be fair because a few cause trouble.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Unfortunately, it might have to be that way.
Because as I said, the idiots are ruining it for good people.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Make everyone in the bleacher write
“I must not puke, urinate or fight in the bleachers” 100 times.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on May 13, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Um, I'd be afraid of what they'd write WITH...
(imagine a blanket of snow and young men needing to relieve themselves…)
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
Ok... let me put this in other terms.
Do you want to reduce beer sales… and increase overhead with security and other costs (wristbands)? Which in turn, reduces overall revenue per game? Which in turn impacts the payroll and operations of the team? Which in turn reduces the budget for player salary?
Now… answer that question. Because I already know your stance on the heated Toyota sign debate. We both agree that the sign is more revenue to field a contending team.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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I agree with you on that issue.
This is really a separate issue. And honestly, how much would it cost to provide the security I’m suggesting? We’re not talking Soriano contract numbers here.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Responsible people
act responsible.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
I think most people can drink and handle themselves.
For those who can’t, make them pay.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
don't want them puking on me - because then I WILL puke!
It has nothing to do with drinking! Oh wait, not a Philly fan – never mind….
chris
I've been to three games in the bleachers already this year...
…and it doesn’t seem any worse than in year’s past. I can, however, tell you that if the Cubs are getting drilled in the middle innings (and that seems to be a daily occurrence) people quickly lose interest in the game itself and THAT’S when the bad behavior begins. But all in all, doesn’t seem any different than in year’s past. Just my take. I always have a good time in the bleachers.
"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural."
-Harry Caray
Sometimes drinking 10-12 beers
is the only thing that makes watching this team bearable.
"Oh, I get a little tired now and then, but knowing my lifestyle, that's only natural."
-Harry Caray
Most Ridiculous Fight of the Season (so far)
As many remember, the Cubs Home Opener was a great day this season. Warmer than normal weather and a Cubs win too. At some point late in the game, I looked to the Centerfield scoreboard and saw two guys lying in the center stairway and fighting. I think they had started fighting, rolled down the stairs, and continued fighting. I only saw the end result of this Bleacher fight, but it still looked really stupid. It’s Opening Day…
I am sure an excessive amount of alcohol was involved here. And there is a very good chance that some of that alcohol was consumed outside of Wrigley Field. I walked past Murphy’s Bleachers and saw 4 guys sitting at a table outside. It was 11AM and there was a case of empty beers on the table.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
Question
Are some of the spiteful comments directed at other BCB members simply a direct result of misplaced frustration or are they angry individuals waiting to jump on any post they read and misinterpret??
chris
What exactly are you talking about?
This isn’t a criticism, but a (hopefully) helpful suggestion: Use the ‘reply’ link when you’re responding to a post. It keeps conversations in a logical flow.
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I understand what you're getting at
Yes, there are some people who do just troll around here. There are posters who would nitpick your post in the middle of the Cubs winning the World Series. But that’s a reflection on them more than you.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on May 13, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I sure do as well.
He didn’t reply because he didn’t want to get immediately picked apart by Schwa or anyone else. Losing this much lately has led to a lot more taunting behavior around here.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
That also needs to stop.
I want this place to be a place for civilized discussion, not personal attacks.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I truthfully saw it as just a new question
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on May 13, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps he did.
I don’t know, but either way what i said about taunting stands. Yesterday had a lot of it, I think fans here are understandably getting bitter about the team…but it doesn’t justify yelling at people who disagree with you or are offended by statements.
I’m not looking to single anyone out, I’d just looking to increase a respect of someone else’s opinion
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Bitter?
Is it a Beer or a Lifestyle? ;)
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on May 13, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
After watching the Cubs for 40+ years, it's hard to tell sometimes lol.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
It was a new question
because I knew responding to the person who posted the snarky answer would have been futile. This way, I would increase my chances of getting an objective, civilized answer instead of another snarky one.
Do I even DARE venture into “I’m a female, not a male even though my name is Chris” discussion?!?!? :-)
Chris"I'm a chick" tina
No, I'm not implying you are a troll at all.
I am saying people should state their own opinions and not turn it into a personal attack.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
up above you say:
I’m not looking to single anyone out
and in your previous post you named me when talking about picking people apart. I guess I’m just confused what you’re saying here.
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What I am saying here is stated clearly.
I am saying people should state their opinions instead of picking apart making a personal attack. Are you looking for something to argue about?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah wait.
I should apologize to you at least for mentioning your name. I didn’t mean you personally…I only used your name because you were the one looking for him to reply and wondering why he didn’t.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I think ckg is a woman (and will prove it on Facebook).
It’s obvious when someone doesn’t use the ‘reply’ link, I was simply trying to nudge her towards using it. I still have no idea who she’s referring to in her comment.
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Why does it matter who's she's(or he's) referring to?
I think she was trying to avoid someone hounding her by saying who was being spiteful.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
funny
another reason why I have to remind myself that sarcasm is not always interpreted correctly in the written word. And with that, I digress…………………….
Chris"I'm a chick" tina
Without the big flashing 'sarcasm' image, it can be tough tell online.
I think the update to your sig will help people remember you’re not a man.
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The dictionary has a pic of SWL listed next to sarcasm.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
All my spiteful comments are directed at Dan...
and they’re not misplaced.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I think your comments on here just make me laugh...have never seemed spiteful to me.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL
Good point.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
No matter how drunk someone gets --
…..they’re going to recognize and respect uniformed CPD. I agree completely, Al – the security guys are outnumbered and ill-equipped to deal with the threat of violence. They aren’t paid enough to risk getting punched in the face by some drunk college kid.
A few CPD will calm the idiots down immediately. It won’t take long for word to get out that people are being arrested and cited for public intox, underage drinking, public urination and disorderly conduct, and the time has come for this sort of change.
At my son’s school in the west loop, there was a problem with car break-ins…. until the school started hiring off-duty uniformed CPD for a couple of hours each night. Problem solved, day 1.
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Wrong
There is an inverse relationship between drinking and respect for the law, as any CPD officer will tell you. My best friend, a uniformed CPD officer who walks a beat on Broadway, has regaled me with countless stories of the many assaults he has suffered by witless drunks.
On the plus side, these drunken idiots are no match for any uniformed police officer so stationing them inside the park during the game should do the trick.
You'd think that the mere presence of uniformed CPD might help stop the idiocy.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Another thing I forgot to mention.
Among the advertising that’s on the message board and announced before the game is the naming of one fan as the “Old Style Drinker of the Game”.
Excuse me? You’re glorifying a fan as a DRINKER? More glorification of the drinking culture. I could see making this the “Old Style Fan of the Game” — that would still get the sponsor’s message out.
Naming someone the “Drinker of the Game” says — hey, we’re out to name the best drunk at the ballpark. Mindnumbingly stupid.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
From my point of view
it is over serving already intoxicated fans . They go to a local bar and drink alot of Old Style to qualify . Then if they drink enough they are entered in a drawing . Then they might have a chance for a Old Style jersey and to be the " Drinker of the game ." No wonder they have problems . Get real Chicago PD officers involved . I bet alot of problems would be solved real quick .
I'm not just surprised that happens from a stupidity standpoint...
I’m surprised it happens from liability. Usually, beer companies like AB broadcast “drink responsibly” and “drink in moderation” ads just to attempt to say we know drinking too much is stupid and we aren’t responsible if people over abuse our product. I would think a number of lawsuits could arise from this, surely people acting stupid after getting extremely plastered isn’t limited to the ballpark…as Al suggests, accidental and alcohol related deaths as well as other crimes are very possible from it. Why in the world would you encourage people to drink as much as they can? Mindnumbingly stupid is exactly right.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Not only that
You’re glorifying a fan as a DRINKER?
But it’s bad beer!
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by Shanghai Badger on May 13, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
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by katie casey on May 13, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe they should name it "Old Style Idiot of the Game."
Whoever gets singled out gets ejected, and barred from Cubs games for the rest of the season.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Before
We all get all temperance movement on this issue. I think we need to remember that people who like to drink will find a way to drink at the ballpark, theater, disneyland, etc. The best way to reduce the negative implications of such behavior is to increase security personnel and have them ENFORCE THE RULES.
This seriously can work, at my Alma Mater, at football games people would bring liquor in all sorts of ways (My favorite was a tripod case that was converted to a “quiver of beer” ) whether its a flask or a camelpak strapped to your gut – they would get the booze in. But once security was beefed up and they actually started enforcing the rules and kicking people out/arresting some, the bad behavior slowed. And lets remember this is a college game – dry campus and no liquor sales – so there was no way to limit people via vendor sales.
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by StevenABQ on May 13, 2010 9:40 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You're right...
… and people do this by many different means. Your suggestion:
The best way to reduce the negative implications of such behavior is to increase security personnel and have them ENFORCE THE RULES.
… is the best answer, and as noted by me and others, having uniformed CPD in the bleachers would be a big help.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yes I think
You are absolutly right, and D98 makes a great point that CPD would command more respect and compliance than your average security guard.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
maybe even a couple of undercover CPD in cubs jerseys
to help. catch these idiots off guard.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
Nope.
Has to be uniformed. That commands immediate respect.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Well
my thinking is that you do both, and when a few get busted by someone that looks like a fan, word might get around. Just a thought.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
I would think both as well....
Most should be uniformed, because I agree with Al that the uniform commands immediate respect. However, for some of the more minor problems, it can turn into waiting until a cop isn’t looking or in your area. If people start seeing uniformed CPD officers and stories get around about people getting busted by undercover cops too—these things will have a huge impact.
Agreed
Although it seems contrary to my old man “get off my lawn” image, I said this last night in the recap – I would actually prefer a looser policy on such things, as long as you enforced it.
Say what you mean, and mean what you say.
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Agree wholeheartedly
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I don't have any bad bleacher stories.
But I do have a nice one. When I was in line before a game once, I dropped a $20 on the ground while digging for my ID (I love that they card me at 46-makes me feel so young lol). Anyway, I had no idea I dropped it, but the honest guy behind me gave it back to me.
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Dont jinx it!
Great, now you will literally have to watch your back next time your in the bleachers. My advice – keep you mouth closed.
Hey wait I think I learned that from your dealing with babies post a couple of days ago!
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
Sounds like there may be as much puking in the bleachers
as when my babies were being bounced by their proud papa, so that is probably wise advice. :)
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by katie casey on May 13, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Impossible.
The guy who found your twenty quickly vomited on it before giving it back to you. You just didn’t notice.
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that's just gross. try again.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought it smelled funny.
I was too drunk to notice. :)
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by katie casey on May 13, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Al, Well said
I emailed you a few weeks ago asking about the fate of the group that sat behind me that caused us to leave the game in the 2nd inning. On my way out, I told Mark about the situation and it sounds like he handled it. This past Monday was ridiculous. Between the kid sitting across the isle from me spitting on the stairs and the group next to me that smuggled vodka pints, it was a rough 3 hours. Alice, the aisle attendant, did absolutely nothing except for yuck it up with the kids. Then, on the way out, this kid throws his bag of peanuts on everyone. I had to say something as that was unacceptable. Alice’s excuse was “he is leaving, I can’t chase him”. As a season ticket holder in the bleachers, I am overly concerned about how cheap these tickets are going for on Stub hub. I don’t remember tickets being so cheap and I don’t remember the bleachers being this bad.
when asked about his performance against the Reds - Lieber said the following
"Well obviously I made some bad pitches today, left to many over the plate and they got good wood on the ball. The only good thing was that I was able to get back into the clubhouse earlier then I planned so I could eat."
How disappointing,
to see what I already thought was a bad situation start to deteriorate further. Why is it getting worse? I thought Ricketts committed to more security already? One per aisle was the norm last year.
A fight between to overserved groups broke out around were I was sitting in the LF bleachers last year. It was disgusting, dangerous behavior, one person (a woman) was bleeding from her mouth.. The security guy picked one of the groups and escorted them out. Or so I thought, until I saw the group drinking and being obnoxious a few sections over later in the game. I don’t know what you need to do to be kicked out, but clearly there are policies intended to avoid removals.
1-4, are all excellent ideas that I support. They all point to the Cubs taking this issue more seriously. They need to stop marketing Wrigley as bar (c’mon it is the Bug Light Bleachers), and start marketing baseball. The Cubs could stop this tomorrow if they made it a priority.
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Len and Bob
Since Sunday’s game is going to be broadcast with Len and Bob sitting in the bleachers (around CF), I have to hope that the Cubs will either address the problem beforehand or cancel that visit. Something unfortunate might happen if they ignore the issue, though something like that would get ownership’s attention on the problem. It should be interesting to see what happens, though I assume that weekend afternoon games are less apt to draw in jerk fans. In the past from a TV vantage point, it always seemed that the main idiots primarily tended to come out of their holes for night games and were too hung over to show up for a weekend day game.
Sounds like they want to have something similar to the old remote Harry broadcasts from the bleachers.
Interesting idea, even more interesting to see what happens from it.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Len & Bob have been out there before...
… three or four times, IIRC. The location they’ve chosen for Sunday is one they haven’t been in before, to my knowledge.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And I have a feeling their security will be a bit more impressive than the usual bleacher security.
Although I would laugh for years to hear Bob’s reaction to someone puking behind them.
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If I lived close enough I could get a ticket for that reason I would.
I remember well hearing fans saying Harry didn’t always make the bathroom, claiming he had stains down his pant leg. Though IIRC, bathrooms have been added near the bleachers? is that right?
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by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd bet ten bucks on Bob outdrinking Len.
That makes me laugh…it sounds accurate.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Limiting beer sales is wrong
On multiple levels.
First, it’s not going to happen (at least nothing drastic) because as it has been mentioned, beer sales are a HUGE moneymaker for the organization. Not to mention that the notion of the ‘Bud Light Bleachers’ not selling beer could cause them to look for new sponorship out there.
Second, and this as been touched on above, it’s unfair to limit or cause hindrance to those adults who are capable of drinking responsibly. And yes, even after having 8 or 10 beers during a game. If I’m a consenting adult who can keep it in my pants and be cordial to those around me, I can drink as much as I want. Punishing everyone for the faults of the few seems like an unjust pracitce.
This is something that should be able to be dealt with by beefing up security, planting some cops, uniformed and otherwise, and really amping up punishment.
I think the team needs to start handing out lifetime bans.
Whip it out and piss where you shouldn’t be: Lifetime Ban.
Start a fight: Lifetime Ban.
Purposely throw a beer or something dangerous onto the field of play: Lifetime Ban
I understand that while it would be easy to keep these individuals from purchasing a ticket themselves, it would be quite difficult to keep them from getting a ticket through a friend or even stubhub. The team can publish the banned names on the cubs website and inform people that anyone who supplies someone on the banned list with a ticket to Wrigley is subject to a ban themselves. That way either the offenders never get back in, or if they do sneak back in they’ll have to be on their best behavior or risk losing friends who helped get them in. Either way, the problem from that person should be solved.
That, and any serious offense like throwing up on other patrons, or obsessive obscene language should be met with an immediate ejection. None of this stern talk garbage.
But let them drink.
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Good points
I think we do need to remember that right or wrong Wrigley Field is a place where people go to have a good time and escape from the reality of everyday life. We all know that lots of folks go there for nothing more than an opportunity to hang out, drink, and be seen. That a ballgame is being played is simply part of the ambiance. While as baseball and Cubs fans we may think this is stupid its the reality of what fills up the park and pays the bills. Its a fine line to walk when it comes to things like “banning alcohol sales in the bleachers”. It simply does not make business sense. Enforcement yes – and as you said so well “let them drink”
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The "lifetime ban" you suggest is too difficult to enforce.
How do you enforce this? Have ticket scanners ask for ID and compare it to a list?
Again, I realize that limiting beer sales both costs the team money AND punishes those who drink responsibly. Unfortunately, we all have to make compromises in our daily lives because of incidents we personally have not caused.
The 10-year ban on alcohol in the Yankee Stadium bleachers solved their issues. I’m not asking for a ban, just limits.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I agree that it would be difficult
But other than buying from the box office is there really a way to get a ticket only using cash?
Sure they could buy them on the street, nothing is going to stop that.
But for the most part people need to show some form of ID, usually a credit card, in order to buy a ticket. And if they are buying online at like stubhub, they need to give their name and info, correct?
Cubs.com can have a ‘banned from wrigley’ list with full names and photos. Ticket brokers will then be forced to adopt a policy of making sure that their buyers aren’t on the banned list, or else they could lose their ability to purchase tickets themselves.
The point is that there really isn’t a deterent in place. If a couple of people get banned for life, and the team makes a public spectacle of it, it would almost certainly make people think twice about doing something stupid out there.
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by WittyUserName on May 13, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
And then what happens when...
… the banned for life person gets a friend to buy a ticket for him/her?
I see your point, but it’s likely impossible to enforce.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The same thing
Anyone who supplies a banned individual with a ticket is subject to a ban themselves.
They couldn’t stop a friend from getting them in, but if they draw attention to themselves again, both the banned individual and their friend will be ejected and banned. Therefore if that person is able to sneak back into the park (a possibility) they will have to be on good behavior because if they get caught again it’s not their ass that time, it’s their friend’s.
I agree that it’d be really hard to enforce, and if a friend just bought someone an individual ticket online and didn’t attend with them, there’d really be nothing that the team could do. But it would at the very least be sending a stern message.
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by WittyUserName on May 13, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I think there are other ways to solve the problem, as I suggested.
There’s no reason to lifetime-ban someone, as long as they stop acting like idiots.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I disagree
There very clearly ARE reasons to ban someone for life. If someone out there is putting my customers in harms way, or subjecting them to harassment that shouldn’t be tolerated, then that person has no justification for being in my place of business.
I agree that security should be beefed up. And maybe stemming the flow of alcohol in the bleachers would have an impact as well, but that would also effect the experience of the customers who are well within their rights of having a good time while not being a danger to others.
The problem are a few individuals. These are clearly people who cannot be trusted, and who are damaging the customer experience of the team. Attending Wrigley isn’t a right, it’s a service that the Chicago Cubs offers. If someone demonstrates that they cannot be trusted to treat the team’s patrons with respect, then they shouldn’t be allowed to conitnue to be admitted.
This isn’t about public safety, or even public drunkeness. It’s about a business ensuring a quality experience to their customers. If I went into a decent restaurant and pissed in my glass at the table, I’d be banned for life, and rightly so. It should be no different at large venues such as Wrigley.
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by WittyUserName on May 13, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying a lifetime ban isn't an idea to consider.
I just think it’s nearly impossible to enforce, and there are other ways to solve the problem.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
People have been banned for a year or more, though
For running on the field.
You want to enforce it, get a restraining order.
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by Shanghai Badger on May 13, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Sure, but that's maybe one person a year.
We’re talking about a much larger number of people.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
This is unrealistic and won't work.
Getting people wasted with 10 beers is going to lead to problems, and hoping offenders are caught in large enough numbers to eliminate those problems is not realistic. You need both, security and preventing them from getting that drunk. People will always find ways to get around your limits, which is why beer sales were cut off in the 8th and 7th innings now…it is one part of a solution. When you let people drink 8 beers to 10 beers, bad problems will happen. There are always enough people that will cause a lot of problems with that much alcohol. And this is a baseball game…if you need to have a party to drink that much, find your own.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I would rather see a zero tolerance policy
The Indians/Cubs game I went to last year, the one with the bad storms beforehand and immediately after, had some pretty bad behavior going on. Right before the game started, the people behind us were joking about how the last time they were they were almost kicked out. Sure enough, they were pounding drinks the whole day and they were warned at least 10 different times. The people in front of us were pounding drinks too, throwing the drink or ice into the shrubs, etc. and they were also repeatedly warned without action. It was really ridiculous, and the next time I go with my wife, I think we’re just going to sit in the regular seats.
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by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 10:01 AM CDT reply actions
Not like this.
There were beer vendors in the aisles (and much cheaper beer, too), and plenty of people would drink. You’d see the occasional fight, but nothing like today, and none of the behavior that happens on a daily basis.
This isn’t a get-off-my-lawn rant, either. The fact is, it was a nicer place to be before it became known as the drunken frat party place.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
and probably
alot more empty
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
Not really.
Only in losing seasons. In the late 1970’s — when the Cubs contended for a couple years before finishing near .500 — the bleachers were full on almost every warm summer day. It still wasn’t as bad as it has gotten in the last couple of years.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
OT
Did people wear less in the bleachers then as opposed to now?
b/c everytime I see clips of the bleachers from the 70’s nobody has shirts on, and they look like a bunch of sweaty, dirty, long-haired weirdos. No offense Al if you were one of them – just curious.
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LOL
No, I did not do that. But it’s true, even on hot summer days now, most men don’t go shirtless; that was common in the 1970’s.
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I'm thinkin
That dude The Colonel who posted the wiffleball thing – would have fit in perfectly in the bleachers in the 70’s – save for the Pirates batting helmet.
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Interesting.
From what people have told me, the behavior in the 70’s (in general, not at Wrigley) is far worse than it is nowadays.
Is it possible you tolerate the behavior less now than you did back then?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I don't think that's the case.
What do you mean by “in general”? And I’m saying again, this isn’t a “get off my lawn” rant. I’m not against having a good time. I am against getting stinking drunk, acting like an idiot, starting fights, and having the “I don’t have to care about anyone else” attitude.
That’s something new. It wasn’t like that in the 70’s.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
True enough.
That doesn’t mean that the Cubs can’t do something to improve their little corner of it.
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Agree with you Al
I’ve been in California for over 30 years but in the early 70’s I went to about 50 games a year…mostly in the right field bleachers. I was a teenager and was a little intimidated by the shirtless yellow construction helmet wearing LF bleacher bums. RF was more my comfort zone and as 15 year old or so kid from the suburbs I had a great time every day. Had some beers spilled on me but never anything bad.
Ironically the worst fight I ever saw in the early 70’s was in the box seats down the left field line. I paid the big money (about $5) for box seats. A drunken group of guys in their 20’s got into a huge fight right next to me. At the time the box seats had the removable folding chairs and they were flung all over the place and there were bodies getting pummeled all over. They all got ejected. The other thing I remember about that game is that it was against the Reds and it ended up a 5-5 tie and called because of darkness. None of the stats for the game counted and Ernie had a three run homer removed from his stats. Sorry Zeke!!!
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Crap. That makes at least TWO for Mr. Cub that should have counted.
The other I remember was at godawful Jarry Park in Montreal. Damn you Rusty Staub.
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- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
I don't recall any such game.
Ernie only had 15 home runs after 1969 — so “early 70s” wouldn’t have been right for this. I checked through some Cub schedules and don’t see any series vs. the Reds where any such game would have been played.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Tie games. called on count of darkness.
counted for individual stats, but not in the standings.
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only guessing,
but doubt a game was ever called on count of darkness before being played to at least a full game status. Obviously rain outs are a different story.
"The Cubs are due in sixty-two." - #14
Could depend on when the game started.
Might have been a late start and/or delayed by rain before it got going.
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
That is probably the case
I was going strictly from memory. The game stuck out for me because I never sprung for box seats and I end up seeing a tie game and a big brawl. As I sift through my brain it does resonate that the stats counted and the game didnt.
"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
I found the game.
June 7, 1969, a 5-5 tie with the Reds. Ernie Banks did hit a HR in that game, and that HR is part of Ernie’s career total, as noted above, the stats counted even though there was no win or loss.
Later that month, the Cubs had the 2nd game of a DH with the Expos called for darkness while they were trailing, and it wound up as a loss. Leo Durocher and management bitterly complained to MLB that the game could have continued. The NL announced that any subsequent games at Wrigley Field that were called for darkness were to be suspended and finished later.
Game in question: 2nd game of DH vs Expos on June 22, 1969.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Not for me.
I used to go to games with my girlfriends when I was in highschool during the late 70’s. Never saw anything like the last few times I sat in the bleachers. Nor did we ever feel unsafe. It’s not the drinking, it’s the drinking to get drunk. They’re not there for the game and don’t care if you are.
more people were getting ...
high in the bleachers in the 70’s. Smoke clouds over the stands were not coming from the rooftop grills.
More seriously, and this is subjective, one difference is there is a lot more people who have seemingly no awareness that there is a baseball game going on. They, literally treat the bleachers like a bar, strategizing over how to queue as many beers as possible to work around the last call.
"The Cubs are due in sixty-two." - #14
Maybe it's because this is the only way I know the bleachers...
…but you guys who were around in the 70’s sound like “back in my day…” And please don’t take that disparagingly. I just can’t imagine the bleachers as a place where heavy drinking did not take place, especially in the 70’s.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Sure, there was a lot of drinking.
But for some reason, people didn’t act the way they do now.
Sorry if this sounds like a “damn kids” post. But things really ARE different now.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I believe you.
The Cubs have a much larger fan base now than they did then. A lot more casual fans that like the Cubs, but are there to be “in the scene.” I get it.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
IMO...
…the big difference may be there are too many people in the ballpark that are there because it is the “cool” place to be, as apposed to being there to watch the game.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Die hards, fun loving people
who could drink some beers (I was soooo envious back then), enjoy the sunshine, make inning-by-inning and pitch-by-pitch bets yet some how, some way didn’t get into the daily fights I’m hearing about this season.
Just win the next game...!
Enough
The last time I sat in the bleachers might be my last. The group in front of us wasn’t there for the game. They kept standing up to talk and would get pissed when asked to sit down. The guys next to us were hammered by the 2nd inning and kept getting up to get more beer or use the facilities (thankfully). I saw a guy get pushed backwards down the stairs. His drunkenness might be what saved him from getting seriously hurt. Though I’m sure he had to be sore the next day, he took a hell of a tumble. There were arguments and girls throwing beer. In the good old day, before they allowed the pre-sale of tickets, we’d get to Wrigley at 5 am to make sure we could get into the game. Seems to me that fans were better behaved because no one wanted to risk getting tossed after standing in line for 6 hours. Something needs to be done. I’m all for fun at the ball park but, I should never have to worry about my personal safety.
I thought I was the only person silly enough to be in line at 6am to get into the bleachers.
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
This is interesting and depressing to me about the bleachers in Chicago.
I went to many games at Wrigley Field growing up, and I have only sat along the sides when I go back now living in the STL area. Never had any problems with drunken fans as others have stated here in the park.
I would say that I got a bleacher ticket package from a season ticket holder the last year of the McGwire/Sosa rivalry, when the records were being set in St. Louis. It started out innocuous enough…was fun to go there with my friend and his brother, everyone seemed to have a good time and get pleasantly drunk around me.
Then, a month into it the problems started when I took my wife. Her presence was mild and low key, she didn’t care much about baseball and didn’t drink. I think it was because the games were on days more fans showed up, soon the fans around me were taunting any fan from the other club, hitting on any girl around, and shouting profanity at everyone.
It got to the point I knew I couldn’t take her…having to worry about her safety with her terrified of guys throwing beer over us and telling her constantly (as well as all the other girls around) of what they were going to do with her after the game) was bad enough, but constant brawls over nothing made me decide never to go back.
I went later in the year with my friends again and had a relatively fun time, but the behavior had not changed late in the game, I was just lucky it had shifted over enough seats I wasn’t affected.
So I can surely see that your steps are warranted Al, here in STL many regard Chicago as having drunken fans and idiot bleacher bums, to which I can only say…you are just as stupid as the idiots in the bleachers. Pouring 10 beers down a fan of ANY stadium will lead to problems and you need to take steps to stop this.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 10:23 AM CDT reply actions
"most of us are there to watch the baseball game" = False
The bleachers are the World’s Second Largest Cocktail party. Especially when the team is losing.
The actual game is secondary to most people. The socializing and beer are the primary focus of many fans. The organization actually sells this as well. They don’t sell the players or the team, they sell the Wrigley experience.
I remember the Sosa days when many fans would only turn around when Sosa was batting. As soon as he homered (in a 9-1 game most likely) or struck out, they turned around and started chatting/drinking again.
That said, no one is there to fight, to be peed on or to be puked on.
Drew
The actual game is secondary to most people. The socializing and beer are the primary focus of many fans. The organization actually sells this as well. They don’t sell the players or the team, they sell the Wrigley experience.
This is exactly what I’m saying has to change.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Small correction and addition.
The bleachers need to be for BASEBALL fans again.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I don't think it can change
Sadly this is part of what many consider the Wrigley experience. Like it or not – they are the Budlight Bleachers for a reason. Carve out all the non-baseball fans who go to games just for the boozing and good times and the ticket sales would suffer. My opinion anyway. I’m not into the whole Wrigley party scene, but I understand that the drunks and non drunks form an ambient circle – they need one another for Wrigley to exist and thrive.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
It can change if the Cubs want it to change.
The new ad slogan for the team is “it’s a way of life”. That’s fine, but that “way” doesn’t have to include getting stinking drunk.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Your right
And I agree, but I just don’t see it happening. Maybe I’m just being to cynical.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
I want MY "Wrigley Experience" to be about BASEBALL!
Cripes. I can go anywhere and get hammered.
I can’t see a Cubs game break out in my kitchen.
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
This is exactly my disagreement with those here complaining about not being able to drink 10 beers at a game.
I don’t think anyone wants to stop beer sales, but if you need to drink THAT much, some of those drunks will cause problems. Go find your own party if you need that much beer and leave the game alone.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
Stinking Drunk
Because I’m not a big guy, I actually stopped drinking when I was 21. I got into too many fights thinking I was 10 foot 8 instead of 5 foot 4. I always came out on the short end of those altercations. That happened when I was stinking drunk. I didn’t know to stop when I was merely “mellow drunk”. Then, I figured I should take the “guess work” out of it and stopped drinking alcohol altogether.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Pretty responsible action sir.
You are to be commended for recognizing you were allergic to alcohol.
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
I think many people
are missing the point. Come to the ballpark, have a few drinks. Hell, maybe have a few more. Let’s all have a nice party. It’s all good. But when you get out of line, YOU HAVE TO LEAVE!!! And if you’re really out of line, there are going to be real consequences.
I can’t believe that stories are getting relayed of people literally whipping out their junk and spraying piss in the bleachers, and some folks here are saying “people drink. Get over it.”
by Damen Jackson on May 13, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Dalton, is that you?
Dalton: All you have to do is follow three simple rules. One, never underestimate your opponent. Expect the unexpected. Two, take it outside. Never start anything inside the bar unless it’s absolutely necessary. And three, be nice.
Dalton: If somebody gets in your face and calls you a **********, I want you to be nice. Ask him to walk. Be nice. If he won’t walk, walk him. But be nice. If you can’t walk him, one of the others will help you, and you’ll both be nice. I want you to remember that it’s a job. It’s nothing personal.
Dalton: I want you to be nice until it’s time to not be nice.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
yep - and here's perhaps the ultimate TWSS movie quote
Doc: You know, for that line of work I thought you’d be bigger.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I thought they passed up a golden opportunity to use that line instead
With the bouncer Swayze caught with the underage girl in a compromising position and fired.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Depends on whether it's the NFL draft and if the father in question
has a job in a profession that leads to the question.
“What’s your dad do?”
“my dad was a pimp”
“What does your mother do?”
“she works for my dad”
“?”
may addition by subtraction be real
Ugh.
I’ve taken up this position before, and i’ll take it again. This is WRONG:
It’s time to end the idea that coming to the Wrigley Field bleachers simply to have a drunken frat party is the right thing to do.
This isn’t animal house. To those of us who are or were members of a fraternity or sorority in college, this is our “Goat”. We are sick of the stereotype. We are no more likely to get drunk than any other college student. We are no more likely to get in a fight than any other ignorant jackass. What, because we elected to be part of a group that was generally more socially (as well as academically and philanthropically) active in our late teens and early twenties (while we happened to be enrolled in an institution of higher learning, it should be noted), all jackass behavior can be pinned on us?
Johnny Macchione (the beer tosser from last year) may have been in school, but i saw no mention of his membership in the Greek community. I would venture to say that the same goes for most of the idiots you see at Wrigley or elsewhere in the world. The fraternity world certainly has its douche bags, but implying they are anything but similar in number to the rest of the population is ignorant at best.
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
For you personally...
… I’m sure this is true. And it’s not just members of your generation who are causing the problem.
I don’t care if the drunk idiots are 25 or 45. They still have to behave or get out.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
OK....
… let me add to this. I see your main point now — you don’t like the “frat party” label.
Fine. I can take the word “frat” out of that sentence and it would still be 100% correct.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Don't
It reads better and makes for an accurate description. Andrew, when he wrote that, I didn’t think negatively of fraternities. There is a difference between the phrase ‘frat party’ and fraternities. Maybe not in your mind but in the minds of most people, yes.
by IllinoisCubs on May 13, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh please.
It makes for an accurate description in the same way saying any team going through a playoff slump is “Cubs like” is an accurate description.
Its lazy, irrelevant, and purposeless.
Maybe not in your mind but in the minds of most people, yes.
So we should reinforce the stereotype because it’s well known? Fine… those “Zambrano mows my lawn shirts” are cool too, right? And its safe to assume that anybody who is scantily clad at Wrigley was in a sorority?
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok obviously
This is a sensitive subject for you. But seriously I don’t think the Zambrano derogatory shirts are comparable to the plight of the “greek community” and its reputation. Not saying you are wrong for objecting to the stereotype – just suggesting maybe your taking the objection a little too far.
But I am sure your efforts are appreciated.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
It is sensitive for me.
I went through school with a whole set of expectations and obligations that most of the rest of the world doesn’t have – a minimum GPA to live in-house, philanthropic obligations, mentoring and guidance of incoming students, on and on and on – all put in place specifically to produce better educated, more well rounded individuals.
And i get repaid by being grouped in with every asshole anybody ever comes across, because ever bodies view of fraternity life is based on some John Belushi movie that came out over 30 years ago.
The guys you all assume are the root of this problem were far more invested in scholastic achievement and service opportunities in school than the general population. My particular house raised over a quarter of a million dollars a year for the Ronald McDonald house and my graduating class in that house contributed 19,080 hours of time to that cause over our four years. Our GPA was half a point higher than the university average. And our house was dry. The greater greek system at my school regularly produced the elected student body leadership, and was often on the front line when the student body needed to press issues with the Univiersity, such as the safety our fellow students when a rash of sexual assaults broke out.
Could we drink any of you under the table? Undoubtedly. But it was a good bunch of guys, and in my experience, that is the case for most members of the greek community. The perception is invalid.
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh I agree
And having been president of my fraternity for 2 years I appreciate your position greatly. And I think its good that you put this out there for people to gain perspective from. Like in all things perception is often skewed.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
Interesting.
I was in a business frat that had no “house”. I saw a lot of frats, some low key and focused on graduating more than drinking, and many that weren’t. Congrats on being a part of a positive frat…though I’d say the stereotype is frequent enough to be accurate. I’m going to refrain from stating the behavior I saw…surely there are a lot of good frats out there that do contribute a lot to society.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry
I guess I’ve been plenty guilty of perpetuating the frat stereotype myself. Though to be perfectly honest, the fraternities at my alma mater certainly hyped the superior qualities of their parties.
I do definitely know that no frat on campus could hold a candle to my organization’s drinking prowess: the informally-named Wisconsin Badger Homebrewers of Wisconsin. Of course this claim will always remain unresolved, since we beer snobs would not disgrace ourselves to drink of the Natty Boh and truthfully a lot of our creations (especially my sour brown ale of ’03… ugh) were definitely “acquired” tastes.
"Could we drink any of you under the table? Undoubtedly. "
Oh okay then, just confirmed everything. You are done.
by IllinoisCubs on May 13, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I ignored that one.
To me, saying that is code for “Can’t drink you under the table.”
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on May 13, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oh Dan, your little digs are ever so cute.
I guess i shouldn’t have expected that somebody who says things like “Stereotypes work because…they are true” would be able to grasp the intricacies behind what i was saying. Lets try again.
Yes, we drank lots. But the fact that you were likely to see us closing out the bar on any given night, or having a rager case race / barbecue on our lawn on Saturday afternoon, has literally nothing to do with us being bad people, or bad students, or bad future bleacher dwelling Cubs fans. And ignoring everything that came in the first three paragraphs (the above average GPA as compared to the rest of the student body, the positive impact on the community, blahblahblah) for the fact that we drank a lot is silly.
Fraternity life, in my experience, is sort of like college life amplified. Yes, we drank more. Yes, we drank harder. We also studied more, and studied harder (yes, really), were more engaged with the community, raised more money, guided more freshman, participated in more on-campus events… you get the point.
The idea that the kids in the greek system are more likely to get drunk than everybody else may have some merit, but it has little bearing on this argument. Which is why i said it.
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
your words
“Yes, we drank more. Yes, we drank harder. "
Like the people in the bleachers! Hallelujah maybe you’ll see it now, that’s what is being said here. The people in the bleachers drink alot much like people at frat parties. That is all.
You don’t get to say “Hey you saying that frats drink alot is unfair! BTW we can drink you under the table and we drank a lot in college, much more than you.” Well I guess you can, you just look like an idiot.
by IllinoisCubs on May 13, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah...
… but drinking doesn’t make somebody an asshole.
Getting drunk just makes you an amplified version of yourself. We aren’t talking about PCP here. If you are getting drunk and starting fights, its pretty likely that the booze just served as “liquid courage”, and you are something of a pain in the ass even when sober.
The fact that i spent a bit more of my time in school drunk than you did is irrelevant to the conversation. When i said “we did all these great things, and we drank more too” it was intended to show you that we were drinkers who weren’t assholes. The assumptions seem to be “drunk at wrigley = frat boy” and “asshole at wrigley = fratboy”. I was in a frat, i was drunk at times, and i wasn’t puking on people or starting fights.
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm just curious
Are you a scientist, or have you completed extensive research on the effects alcohol has on the body, or rather, someone else’s body? Meaning, not your own body, or your drinking buddy’s body?
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Craig,
have you yourself studied the drunken behaviors of fraternity members in order to determine that those men are oftentimes bigger a-holes.
There were just as many rude people who lived in dorm room as those who lived in fraternity houses, in my own experience. Does that mean anyone who has lived in a dorm is incapable of handling alcohol? Is this an indictment of the college system; or even more, an indictment of America?
At some point we have to get rid of lazy stereotypes. What fraternities have you seen that are exclusively there to churn out “bros”? I can tell you that the majority of these organizations are positive influences in the lives of young men.
(Boom, had to bring it back to Animal House)
by wennington4 on May 14, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
That doesn't make much sense.
Toss out all the good, read that we could handle our booze (as i suspect all college think they can) and run with that. Kudos!
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks!
Curious if there were no wild ‘frat parties’ and that’s a terrible term, just how oh how did you all come up with the ability to drink every other person in the population under the table. You are bringing it upon yourself and perpetuating your own stereotype.
by IllinoisCubs on May 13, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
See above. How much i drank in college has nothing to do with the "frat boys" you think cause all the issues in the Bleachers.
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it's frat boys causing issues
There’s nothing wrong with what Al wrote:
“It’s time to end the idea that coming to the Wrigley Field bleachers simply to have a drunken frat party is the right thing to do.”
If anything your comments about how much you drank in college validate the phrase Al used.
I think the problem is that you are reading it like frats are coming to Wrigley to party. Whereas I am reading it as the bleachers are similar to a frat party. You get offended while I see a very good picture painted for what is going on out there.
by IllinoisCubs on May 13, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
"Frat Parties" weren't even allowed at my school.
The houses were dry. And i think that is a pretty common policy at most universities these days.
The association isn’t with the “frat party” its with the stereotypical “frat boy” behavior, as described by that idiot who threw beer last season, and happened to not even be greek. If this was the first time this misconception had been perpetuated on this site, it’d be one thing, but it isn’t. Every time somebody behaves in a douchy manner, the terms related to fraternities start getting tossed around.
Its as annoying to those of us who were greek as the “Goat” thing is to a good majority of Cubs fans. And its unproductive to continue to perpetuate the idea.
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
You've spent a tremendous amount of this thread arguing about semantics.
Fine, I’ll drop the word “frat” from the original thought. You’re probably right about frats being dry now — considering that at least 75% of college age students are underage.
The bleachers still shouldn’t be a place for a “drunken party”. Better?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
If it makes him stop whining about it like spoiled Sorority Girl...I'll sure feel better.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yup, thats great!
Thanks for doing your part to stop the perpetuation of an untrue, unproductive, and irrelevant stereotype.
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
What are you
a PR guy for all frats?
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You are in a frat
You are being a douche in this thread
Despite the instant connection, I would not call your behavior frat like. Being a douchebag and being in a frat are exclusive in my mind but you are helping to bring the two together. Way to go
by IllinoisCubs on May 13, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heh.
And there it is.
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm just debating my side of an interesting discussion.
Everybody else seems to be getting frustrated, calling names.
Not sure what i’ve done to piss anybody off other than attempt to dispel everything they learned by watching Van Wilder.
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I see...this is all for OUR benefit.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course it is...that's why he's posted a gazillion times
to anyone who diagrees with his indignation.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
He must have also been on the debate team in college.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Drinkin hard, studying hard, debating hard
AJS was the muthafuckinshit yo
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by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait, what is this site for?
And what is this particular post about?
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Fraternity debates?
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by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Politics?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
Van Wilder, the Encyclopedia Brittanica of fraternities…
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by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
According to the average perception of the greek system to BCB'ers, it seems so.
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
perhaps you should make a fanpost with a poll?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Can i borrow the password to your photobucket account?
I’ll be better able to make my point if i can include some kickass animated GIFs.
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you lack the wit for that
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by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
True.
Perfectly placing an LOL cat is an art that is difficult to master.
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
man, you frat boys are sooooo 2007. LOL Cats? Really?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
So is your mindless defense of fraternities.
Also, update your internet memes. What, is your frat house still on 56k?
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by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Poll Question: Does the gif below depict your perception of a typical frat boy?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
But where's the lol cat?
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by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
And yet, not one person has brought up that movie
or Animal House, or the PCB, etc., etc.
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by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
You know...now that I think about it...
all college deans are repressive assholes.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Right
KEGGERS EVERY NIGHT BEEYOTCH!
F’ the Dean, lets wreck their plans! WHOOOOOOO!
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by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you mean frat, drunk and stupid
or did I just repeat myself twice after typing frat?
by IllinoisCubs on May 13, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
How dare you insinuate being drunk and stupid
means you’re in a frat.
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by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not pissed off or calling names.
I went to college as an independent and have many greek friends. I didn’t form any opinions by watching Van Wilder. I can think all for myself. You are debating – that means other people get to have opinions, too.
This is a public forum, we all read what you write, you’ve been beating this topic to death.
Formerly known as BleedsbluinMi.
So skip my posts.
I’m not talking to myself here.
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
If only we could...
But you post so much it’s been nigh impossible.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
And Jessica cares deeply about ticket, and Sam Fuld...
… and drew really likes Soriano, and Worf hates Z with the fire of one million suns, and Nunayabidness hates Lou, and we’ll always have updates on Milton Bradley, and, and, and…
If you aren’t interested in the discussion, there are ways to miss it.
Joining in isn’t one of them.
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I find it highly informative
I hope he tells about how f’n righteous it was to go through rush and how he and his buddies paddled some freshmen.
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by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, that was my point.
You know where I said it’s a public forum, blah, blah, blah. But, no problem, you’ve pretty much said the same thing 100 times. I’ll press the ignore button.
Formerly known as BleedsbluinMi.
Correction:
You’ve been calling me names and making this argument personal. I have not. I’ve been attacking the issue.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on May 13, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's what frat boys do Dan.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
It's only because their houses are dry.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
And full of hard studyin'
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by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Where?
Seriously? WHERE?
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh Dan, your little digs are ever so cute.
So i’m going to assume you are OK with the "Latin player X mows my lawn" shirts, because you saw a latin guy doing some landscaping last week?
No matter how indignant you get
I’d think all of those are personal.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on May 13, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eh...
… if you are taking those personally, i’m sorry. It wasn’t my intention, and i think you have seen how i interact here often enough to know that name-calling isn’t my M.O.
And here, in the interest of fairness, is a small sampling of the things, you, your wooden legged buddy, and the people backing you have said about me:
To me, saying that is code for "Can’t drink you under the table."
Well I guess you can, you just look like an idiot.
If it makes him stop whining about it like spoiled Sorority Girl…I’ll sure feel better.
You are being a douche in this thread
Drinkin hard, studying hard, debating hard AJS was the muthafuckinshit yo
I think you lack the wit for that
I hope he tells about how f’n righteous it was to go through rush and how he and his buddies paddled some freshmen.
People who use their middle initial all the time are idiots.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Right, because I have a legion of supports that I control.
Their BCB accounts and everything. Just because those persons do not agree with you does not by default side them with me.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on May 13, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
To be honest
This is just a puppet account.
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Damn you.
You’re killin’ me here.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I must admit
It’s really hard to keep track of everything I post under. I think I’m logged in under SWL right now.
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Got that one wrong.
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Those look even more awesome when you put them in blue rectangles!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they are two sets of parallel lines connected in the corners @ 90 degree angles.
Shaded with baby blue background and black font.
Idiot.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
after the fact
most of that was thrown out after you reached a ‘tipping point’ where it was impossible to take your seriously. You were the only one bothering to defend your odd position and no one agreed with you. This stopped resembling any kind of serious debate quite sometime ago.
by IllinoisCubs on May 13, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well that makes entirely too much sense.
I’m going to MAKE IT GREEN!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I don't even know where to start with this.
If you don’t take it seriously, leave it alone. Posturing as if you are better than the debate while rolling around in the mud with the rest of us is an odd way to show your disgust.
And justifying personal attacks because my position is “unpopular” is pretty strange as well.
As for Dan encouraging everybody to make this justification of personal attacks green after getting all upset at my calling him as “indignant” is just pure hilarity.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU HAVE INSULTED THE HONOR OF ALL GREEK GENTELMEN EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!!
THIS AGGRESSION WILL NOT STAND!!!!!!!!!!!!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
...
Three-fourths of the U.S. Congress is Greek.
More than eighty-five percent of the student leaders on 720 college campuses are Greek members.
Forty of forty-seven Supreme Court Justices since 1910 have been Greek.
Eighty-five percent of the Fortune 500 executives are Greek.
Since the first Greek letter society was founded in 1776, all but three U.S. presidents have been Greek.
All Greek chapters nationwide have a collective grade point average higher than the all-campus grade point average.
A recent study by the U.S. Government shows that 71% of all Greeks graduate from college while 50% of non-Greeks graduate from college.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
My GPA would have been a lot better if I lived in a house that had copies of every previous exam in all of my classes.
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... nothing that isn't freely available to anybody connected to the campus computer network...
… or willing to walk through the library and ask some other students.
Just because one subset figured out a more efficient way to game the system than what everybody else uses doesn’t mean they are any dumber. I
ts all multiple choice scantron tests with many versions of the test circulated to each class these days anyways. Even if you know the questions in advance, you still have to know the answers – and guess what? That’s called LEARNING!
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe at Iowa this was all so readily available, but not at UW (I believe you went to Iowa, if not then I apologize).
There’s a fine line between gaming the system and breaking the rules. You’re explicitly told not to take the actual exam from the exam room (at least for a majority of the exams I took). How do you think all the frats built up their collections? Definitely not from ‘walking through the library and asking some other students’ (I’m not sure how that would get you 5 years worth of exams).
Multiple versions of a scantron test = questions arranged in a different order/answers arranged in a different order. It’s the same material just arranged in a different way. There’s a huge difference between actually studying, comprehending, and learning a breadth of material… and memorizing probable questions and their answers.
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Yep, I knew several guys from frats that had a file folder of previous exams.
They were ballsy enough (or stupid, whichever your prefer) to hand said exams copied to friends in class. Because those classes didn’t have a mandatory attendance and therefore they only went to a few classes. Never understood why they weren’t caught other than indifference by the faculty.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolute indifference.
Teachers should be changing up their tests with every new set of students anyways.
Hell, it was quite common for classes with multiple labs or something to take their tests at different times over a couple of days. Being in that first group was a HUGE disadvantage over everybody who got to talk to their roommates about what they needed to study.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Look...
… in an age where i can buy the equivalent of mental steroids for $5 at any table in the library on campus (yes, Adderoll is that widely available), where i can log on to a website and pay somebody $20 to write a paper for me on any subject in the world, where i can take my Econ 102 final online with my buddies MBA girlfriend sitting 5 feet away to feed me answers, griping about the inequality of cheating opportunity on campus is pointless.
And sort of irrelevant to the conversation here anyways, as the fact that your frat might have had a filing cabinet full of old tests does little to guarantee the dudes that used them went on to barf all over the bleachers.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't care that they do it. I did just fine in college without having years worth of exams at my disposal.
But you’re spouting off your facts about how well frat guys do in school. Most of the frat boys I know took complete advantage of all the ‘shady’ materials they had to study with. Their GPA wasn’t a representation of hard work and actually learning the material.
I promise you, I’m not bitter about this at all. Like I said, I did fine in college. But to combat the negative aspects of frats you’re holding them out to be geniuses and saviors of the world. It’s unfair on both ends of the spectrum.
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by Schwa on May 13, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Er...
But to combat the negative aspects of frats you’re holding them out to be geniuses and saviors of the world.
That isn’t my position at all. This is:
The fraternity world certainly has its douche bags, but implying they are anything but similar in number to the rest of the population is ignorant at best.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Complete tests does not mean just questions.
I certainly saw that prevelant at my college. That’s not learning…it’s cheating and subject to being expelled as it should be.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
And every segment of the student population does it.
And there is no evidence that those that do go on to start fights at Wrigley. Whats your point?
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
You brought up this discussion of frats and the test aspect of it
Just came from that. My point was exactly what I stated…that dan said he saw complete tests being circulated as I have, which is not just knowing questions. Is that confusing?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I never saw any of that.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course, all this is based on the paradigm
that one gives a flying shit of what’s to be valued in society based upon those in charge. How bout a HELL NO.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Yeah...
… the organizations producing the guys NOT running our government and the most successful businesses in our country are the ones producing the guys who are also too good to get piss drunk and fight somebody at a ball game.
THAT makes sense.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
You're jumping to a giant assumption.
One that says if you’re Greek you’re more likely to be successful, in power, control, etc. Perhaps it has very little to do with the Greek organization and more to do with the white, elitest, rich demographics of those that join Greek organizations?
Listen, I’m not on a high horse here. Stereotypes work because…they are true. I’m certain you’re different, as was your organization.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
And sterotypes fail...
… because they paint with a broad, uninformed brush that is insensitive to the nuances of reality. Plus, stereotypes tend to stick much longer than the activity being stereotyped.
Stereotypes work because…they are true.
So i’m going to assume you are OK with the “Latin player X mows my lawn” shirts, because you saw a latin guy doing some landscaping last week?
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, that's exactly true. Would you like to take the time to insert more words into my mouth?
I’m done here. I said none of that shit.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
What words did i put in your mouth?
If you aren’t ok with the “mows my lawn” shirts, say “no i’m not ok with it”. I asked you a question, i didn’t proclaim to know what you thought.
Touchy, touchy on this Dan. What gives?
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Aren't you being as touchy
with your defense of “frats”?
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by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah, i'm engaging in the debate.
This is touchy:
I’m done here. I said none of that shit.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
You were putting words in his mouth though
which is a bullshit move. Some people don’t like that. Just saying.
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by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I asked him a question.
It even ended with a nice little “?”, so everybody would be clear. Maybe i shouldn’t have included the word “assume”, but at that point its semantics, and he didn’t want to answer the question. And you are smart enough to know the difference.
You don’t need to defend Dan anyways.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
This is how great romantic comedies always start.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not defending Dan
I’m not sure how me pointing out what your reactions are is me defending him. Maybe if I threw in “LEAVE HIM ALONE!” or “What did he ever do to you?!?” then sure, but I asked you a question and pointed out how you put words in his mouth when you were puzzled by his reaction for you putting words in his mouth.
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by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess i have a different definition of "putting words in ones mouth".
And instead of refuting what i said, he just fired an unproductive answer at me anyways, so the point is moot.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough
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by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
People who use their middle initial all the time are idiots.
RIGHT DAN?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
People that are willing to go out on a limb and put their name behind what they say on the internet?
You buddy Dan is in the habit of signing off on his comments when they aren’t of the pithy nature.
I wish my parents hadn’t gotten all biblical and chosen a name that everybody else in the world was using as well, but it is what it is. I can’t get “Andrew Stone” as a user name in most places.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I know he was.
I’m quite aware of SWL’s shtick.
The passive aggressive nature doesn’t make what he said any less insulting.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
FELLOW GREEK WARRIORS!!! UNITE!!!!!!!!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Good jokes trump narscissim every time.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Being indignant about social debates on a blog about baseball...
is silly and misguided.
Chad C. Wolfe
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
You are aware its an off day, and this post is intended to bring about social debate, right?
As far as silly… well… its all perception, but i don’t think you are exactly going to get the Pulitzer the work you put in to BCB on an average afternoon.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I salute you with whatever secret handshake you Greek boys use.
Thanks for making the day less boring.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Petulance for petulance's sake. Classic SWL.
I’m surprised i didn’t get a photo of a farting iguana to accompany it.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Delta Gamma handshake: Shake, extend first two fingers, tap two fingers on other’s wrist. Whisper in ear: “In The Bonds” or “ITB”
Sigma Alpha Epsilon handshake: Shake, extend pinky and cross pinky with other’s pinky.
That’s all I can remember at the moment.
What’s Soup Club’s handshake?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Those things are major messed up!
"I think I'm going to a casino in Indiana and play snake eyes. I don't know what else to say, I'll be honest with you."
Furthermore, this:
One that says if you’re Greek you’re more likely to be successful, in power, control, etc. Perhaps it has very little to do with the Greek organization and more to do with the white, elitest, rich demographics of those that join Greek organizations?
was entirely ignored.
Let’s just agree that we can see differently on this issue. You were Greek, as was I. Fair enough.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Ok...
… so would you venture to guess that he white, elitist, rich demographics are the ones more likely to cause trouble at Wrigley?
No matter how indignant you get, defending this particular stereotype is no more justifiable than defending any other stereotype.
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought most politicans were Irish
crazy me I guess
by IllinoisCubs on May 13, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was class president at the largest fraternity @ Wisconsin.
The stereotypes are true.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Which frat?
Most of my friends were in SigEp. I’m not really sure which is the largest these days.
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The only time I ever got into a "fight" at UW
was against at SigEp who’s name I forgot so I call him Chaz. It was at the corner of Henry, State & Johnson at bar time, when everyone piled out of the Plaza/Bullfeathers/Stillwaters – aka Afterbarmitzvah. I only know that he was SigEp because of his nifty hat. My roommate, a bouncer at Bullfeathers, drunkenly said something about the “Easties” from Stillwaters and this guy took offense, claiming he was from Mequon. My roommate said something else insulting, and Chaz took a swing at my roomie but missed and hit me on top of my head – I was looking down or something. I then went for the KO but ended up rabbit-punching his shoulder. One of Madison’s finest then broke it up and we went our separate ways, only to meet up again in the line for Parthenon’s – I bought him a gyro since he didn’t actually hurt me and jammed up his fingers pretty good. All in all a nice guy, that Chaz…
Haha nice story.
If you haven’t been back to Madison recently, let me fill you in on a couple of changes:
1) Bullfeathers is now Ramhead. I hate this. Bull’s was pretty much the only bar I went to Freshman year. Every Thursday, like clockwork. Ramhead is far from the same.
2) Never heard ‘Afterbarmitzvah’. We just called it Bar Time. Always an adventure.
3) Easties = Coasties.
4) I don’t think Stills is still in business, not sure.
One thing that hasn’t changed: Parthenon’s gyros are awful. The meat just tastes bad. They have legit fries though, and the Up Top bar there is money when it’s nice out. The only good gyro I’ve had in Madison is from Amy’s Cafe.
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Oh, I'm still in Madison
Never found a good reason to leave…
1) What’s strange about the Bullfeathers-Ramhead change is that it’s the same owner – I know him from when my roommates worked there. I think it got shut down by the City last summer, and I don’t recall if it ever reopened.
2) It was basically the last-chance hookup opportunity if you weren’t going to some afterparty. I can’t remember where I first heard the name, but I recall once my friend, upon seeing a dude drop his pilfered pint glass whilst sucking face with his new lady-friend, shouted a loud “L’CHAIM” and got a spirited horah going.
3) Coastie is definitely the new preferred slander – a bit of a controversy with it too. That rap video was pretty stupid in my opinion, but it did make the national news.
4) Stills shut down a couple years ago. It’s now a Cosi sandwich shop.
5) I don’t know why I used to think Parthenon’s was awesome – oh, wait probably because it was bartime. The last time I was there even the fries were bad. I agree that Amy’s is pretty good, and so is Plaka Taverna (the old Cleveland’s). My personal favorite is Trader Gus out in Westport. It’s in a Shell gas station but don’t let that scare you off.
Deal with the rep, frat boy.
All frat boys are binge drinking idiots just like all people from Wisconsin are drunk-driving, binge drinking idiots.
"Anyone on our team that thinks we are cursed will be moved to a lesser-cursed team"
-Tom Ricketts
Kind of OT.
But I was at the game on tuesday (left center bleachers) and there were a ton of drunks in the stands..In addition people we starting the wave in center field….This shit has to stop. NOW
not OT
This is exactly what we are talking about
by IllinoisCubs on May 13, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
lol. It's only off topic from the previous 10 feet of scrolling type above it. ;)
“We return you now to to the previously scheduled program…”
Good stuff.
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
Left Center Bleachers vs. Left Field Bleachers
I found a lot of drunks but no fights there on April 27 for a night game. Then, on April 30, I didn’t find too much trouble in the far left field bleachers for a day game. Evidently, there is getting to be more trouble in the left field bleachers.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
I think a little more security would help.
It has been 3 years since I’ve been in the bleachers. I’ve sat there probably 7-8 times since 2002. I’ve never had a bad experience. The last time, I was probably closest to the field, maybe 8-10 rows up. I remember there being a large man with a yellow shirt on at the end of each aisle.
These guys were large and didn’t have a happy expression, but rode herd over that section (Right center field) There were no problems, and these guys were on top of anything. They also had yellow shirted friends that would descend quickly if any trouble was started. The big guys never left the post this way, just pointed out where to go.
That has been my normal experience, far from what is being shared. It seems having proactive security as I witnessed worked well. Things were handled well before they could get out of hand.
Al, is security still handled this way? What does the security set up look like?
Formerly known as BleedsbluinMi.
No, they don't have those yellow shirted guys any more.
IIRC, those were off duty cops. The Cubs need ON duty police IN UNIFORM to help solve this problem.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I think that would have the desired effect.
The yellow shirt guys were highly effective, wouldn’t be surprised if they were off-duty police. I’m sure a uniform would command even more respect. I distinctly remember what a good job they did in avoiding any of these problems.
Anyone know why this was discontinued?
Formerly known as BleedsbluinMi.
Most of the actual licenced "securty" (not ushers) i work with at Soldier Field are off duty officers.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup...
… which is why they hire us for Sox and Cards games. Which implies to me that they are aware of the problem, and for some reason unwilling to go the extra mile to actually fix it.
All of the alcohol control suggestions won’t fix the problem. A lot of the most wasted people in the bleachers are the ones that get there 5 hours before gametime and stand in line with a case in a backpack (drinking from red cubs, because nobody will ever notice that way!). Or the ones that go to a bar before.
I’m all for increasing security. I’m against any alcohol control policies. They don’t work, and they negatively effect the team’s revenue.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe there has to be more inspection of bags...
… to prevent alcohol from being brought in. And more rejection of obviously drunk people to enter.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That's just wrong.
And strangely arousing…
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
"You were a lot cuter before the game started"
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
good point
No on the full-body searches. Yes on the ejection of people who are behaving badly.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
You can't keep it from getting in.
Beer bra jokes aside, you can’t pat every pocket, check every nook of every bag…
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
The line for volunteer inspectors to keep beer bras from getting in the park forms to my right.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
What about these?

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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Cripes. Next they'll be checking
Santo’s wooden legs…
…ah-hem…
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
Those get confiscated at Soldier Field all the time.
And its not like they can ban binoculars, considering they actually charge people to sit at the top of the 400 level. You cant see anything from up there.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Wooden legs get confiscated?
Damn!
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
I object to your insinuation that all birdwatchers are drunk assholes.
I’ve watched birds more than you, and watched them harder as well. 36% of all people elected to a City Council post in municipalities with a population under 35,000 are birdwatchers.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Most birdwatching parties I've been to are dry.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't sound like they're at AJS' frat then
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by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
100% of my SimCity 2000 alderman are Greek birdwatchers.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I was so happy when I finally figured out how to make a badass city in SC2k.
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I used to live off these cheats:
CASS Gain $400
BUDDAMUS $500,000 dollars
IMACHEAT $500,000 dollars
FUND Issues a 25% bond
MRSOLEARY Starts a fire
NOAH Starts a flood
SODOM Starts a fire storm
GOMORRAH Nuclear meltdown
MOSES Stops a flood
JOKE Weird picture
GILMARTIN Get an Army Base
DAMN,DARN or HECK Residential areas rezoned to churches
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Also used... the "beer belly".

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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Any pics of the Octobong?
Favre-enfreude
The thrill of seeing an epic Brett Favre fail. Derived from schadenfreude - satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune.
No Al, not "on duty"
City is underfunded and over budget as well. The Cubs need to reach agreement with the city to allow off-duty police officers to moonlight for the cubs in uniform. Let lawyers work out the pesky details of when they are security versus acting as a police officer. Pay the city a stipend and help the city by letting underpaid police work a second job that benefits the city by not allowing the goofballs to make the rest of us look like idiots on national TV.
All works for me.
may addition by subtraction be real
That'd work for me.
On or off duty — whatever — they need a uniformed presence. Whatever pay would be needed should be paid by the Cubs, not the city.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Wow, I didn't know this was such a problem.
Al, the only game I’ve ever been to in the bleachers was September 20, 2008, when Lilly clinched the division for us against the Cardinals. Remember? It was my birthday and my father and I drove to Chicago.
Now, that just seemed like a ripe time to get hammered, right? Playoffs looming, Cardinals, etc. But I saw none of that—there were two drunk 40-something women in front of us, but they were just drunk, not violent.
I went to every Wisconsin Badger home game for 4 years at Camp Randall, and the way this thread describes it, the student section @ Camp Randall is nothing compared to the bleachers at Wrigley Field. Do whatever is necessary to get rid of this crap. Baseball games should be a family atmosphere. That means affordable, safe, and enjoyable for persons of all ages. Not just drunk dumbasses.
Dan
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I went to every Badger home game for six years
I think the main reason the student section at Camp Randall isn’t a wild mass of vomit and urine is precisely because alcohol sales are completely forbidden in the stadium aside from the luxury suites. Yeah, we would get tanked before the game and try to sneak in hip flasks and the like (I considered myself to be especially proficient) but the vast majority of the students would start sobering up as the game progressed as opposed to getting even more loaded. There were also plenty of uniformed cops hauling out the troublemakers.
I don’t really think an alcohol ban is necessarily in order but I do definitely agree that more has to be done to police up the drunks. It’s an issue everywhere (I saw my first puking Crew fan in the bleachers at a game at Miller last year) but definitely Wrigley has one of the worst reputations.
And people wonder why Cubs fans have reputations for not knowing anything about baseball
If you’re going to pay money to attend an event, you’re not getting your money’s worth by being stinking drunk. There’s nothing macho about being drunk at a public event where there are people who actually want to see something. I have my share of drinks, but at some point, it’s just ridiculous. You become an embarrassment to yourself and everyone around you.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
I agree with all of these except the first point, with an exception
I wasn’t planning/expecting to see any games this season and the reason I got to go was because of the college discount. That said, I did find it odd that only place you could get the discount was in the bleachers, the one place that doesn’t really seem to have a problem selling out. My friend and I didn’t buy any beer because it is way too expensive, plus we came early enough to find free parking in the neighborhood nearby. The whole trip, even with gas cost us less than the price of a normally priced ticket. The problems in the bleachers the day I attended came from a group of high school kids sitting at the top of the bleachers throwing peanuts at their friends near the bottom of the bleachers. It only took about five nuts being thrown for those kids to get tossed.
Did he just say funky butt-loving?
Hire more security. More presence and more activity.
I don’t care if you have to put Toyota, Honda, Ford, Chevy, Mercedes and Yugo signs all across the outfield. Those ads are far less distracting than being punched, vomitted or urinated on.
While we’re at it, make security more visible. Put a few uniformed police out there as well. Make sure their presence is known. When you see a cop car on the expressway, you slow down. If you see cops and security in the bleachers, you’re less likely to start a fight.
"It's Spring Training. You know how many home runs Barry Bonds hit off me? One - in Spring Training." - Big Z
A few years ago when local gangs were fighting in the bleachers in Dodgers Stadium
a noticeable presence of uniformed LAPD officers were stationed there before, during, and after the game.
Result? No more fights.
BTW, everyone entering Dodgers Stadium walks through a metal detector, and purses & bags are inspected; backpacks not allowed. Is this true at Wrigley these days?
Metal detectors?
I didn’t have to go through them when I went last year.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Metal detectors?
Apparently they must have been installed during the offseason. I didn’t see a metal detector of any kind last August.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Last year September Giants game
upper deck we went through metal detectors. Haven’t gone this year yet so not sure what they are doing.
Didn't go through that in SF in September.
I was in the lower deck, but the entrances to AT&T Park should have all been monitored in the same way.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Backpacks and bags are allowed, and inspected.
I’m not quite sure why stadiums single out backpacks as opposed to other bags the same size. It’s not like a backpack is inherently evil.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
A few years ago,
I was able to get a shopping bag into Wrigley Field, with a broom head inside. The Cubs were in July 2006, about to sweep a four-game series with the Cardinals. Two of my cousins went inside with brooms, and the brooms they both carried were confiscated.
For some reason, the security guys who looked over my bag allowed me to take the broom head inside Wrigley Field (I still have it, actually).
One of my cousins, while at the game, went to the restroom, and he said there was a stack of brooms six feet high at least piled up along the wall. Not sure why shopping bags get a pass while backpacks are inspected closely.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Seems weird to me too
but we use a big Traders Joe shopping bag, which is legal, to carry in our plastic beverage bottles (closed not open) and snacks.
Thank God this has been posted
As I stated in a fanpost…. The bleachers are ridiculous and as a fan of the game of baseball, I hate sitting out there these days. Sadly I am the same age as the idiots provoking fights and ralphing on themselves.
"I don't know what the big deal about Crackerjack is"
by theGraceyslumpbuster on May 13, 2010 11:28 AM CDT reply actions
Great. Just great.
I’m going to my first game in the bleachers against the Astros on July 21, to sit with Al’s group (and BCB’er Allie), and I see these horror stories about them.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 11:32 AM CDT reply actions
Oh, and this might sound like a surprise,
But I’ve never had beer. Not even a sip.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I drink for people like you.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Note: that only applies to BEER.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
So you've had liquor? Or are you talking about a little wine/champagne? Those don't count.
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Wine
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually, I meant outside of church.
Nice try, though.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
So do I!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I just don't trust anyone who doesn't drink beer
"The doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
Dizzy Dean
I've seen a girl naked...
in real life.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
This would turn into a "pornography thread redux" if he did do that.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
You mean besides a relation?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
BTW this post made the front page of SBNation.com as well
Now everyone is afraid to go to a Cubs game
"The doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
Dizzy Dean
Serious?
Link?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
And I'm worried about my first game in the bleachers.
Against the Astros on July 21.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps you shouldn't go then.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll take his ticket.
Although my fratboy nature may preclude me from being allowed to enter.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, I'm keeping it,
And the extra ticket (which I’ve been shopping around for months) has been taken by a BCB member.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's a guarantee from me to you:
No one will puke on you.
No one will pee on you.
No one will fight you.
You’ll enjoy your first game in the bleachers and realize that this isn’t as widespread as the plague was.
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But this is definitely as widespread as zombies.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I peed on a zombie...
in real life.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
When the zombie uprising comes...
… i’m gonna make you a big batch of Grandma’s Garlic Soup and set you loose on those sons of bitches.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, honestly....it might have just been a sleeping bear...
it was dark, and I was pretty tired and confused.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
More likely you saw the bear THEN pissed yourself.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
That's not out of the real of possibility...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
realm
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Are you saying you aren't a badass in your dreams?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
...

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm. Shame. I'd have thought you were the Dog in your dreams like Cartman.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
...

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I forgot to DVR the duct tape special last night, damn.
I figure it’ll be on again soon enough though.
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Yep,
love the title that they changed the summary to:The Wrigley Field Bleachers: A Fine Cesspool Of Puke And Piss
by Damen Jackson on May 13, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
oh boy
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Hey-
anything to take the attention away from how bad the Cubs are.
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Hey, I'm not mad at them
they’re running a business, after all. When your strategy goes south, change the narrative.
by Damen Jackson on May 13, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
it's even worse than you said
There is one comment on the re-posting there, and it is a suggestion that our problems would be solved by winning the World Series.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Coming from a Red Sox fan.
Again, they prove the belief that they are condescending to fans of other teams correct.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
All problems
are solved by the Cubs winning a World Series. Riff-raff, alien abductions, global warming. I hear it will even end famine and floods.
by Damen Jackson on May 13, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
It will also cure cancer and HIV.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
we can all agree
That it’s worth a try
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
That's pretty damn stupid.
The title change is not representative at all of this conversation. Suck it, SBN.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
+1
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
It needs to read...
The Wrigley Field Bleachers: A Fine Cesspool Of Racists and Piss
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
If it had been that,
[name redacted] would have been writing it.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Whether or not you're serious, if I were Al I would actually be pretty upset that they changed the title like that.
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I'm totally serious.
It’s blatant plagiarism to copy the text and rework the title. I’d be pissed. And that’s just point #1. Point #2 is that it is NOT representative of the issue being discussed; they make it sound like it’s just a “Wrigley” problem. I’m certain this is a problem elsewhere, hell, look at the Phillies recent antics, or the Brewers parking lot woes NBF and I were discussing last night.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
NBF also made it clear
That when it comes to fights in the stands, Brewers and White Sox fans probably had the worst fights hands-down.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
This is true
I remember the old County Stadium brawls when I was a kid. My dad used to take some of the guys from his machine shop for day games in the summer, but he had to stop since he was worried about them getting arrested for fighting after one particularly bad Brewers-Sox game.
And they copied part of the text,
Edited the nicer parts out, and gave it a much more offensive title to boot. Is there anyone at SB Nation Al can email in protest?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
This is what is known in our modern society as...JOURNALISM.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure that a blogger is considers a journalist
"The doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
Dizzy Dean
All the high school kids on Bleacherreport.com disagree...
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on May 13, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I would be too.
The poster is a Washington Nationals fan “living in North Carolina”.
He has few posts on any site including the Nationals or Cubs. Functions as a moderator of SBN just stirring up shit and viewers.
Has a website listed as Mr. Irrelevant…probably the only thing accurate about his post.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope. Still there a couple of posts down on the left side of the front page.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
SBN and SCH are out to get us
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by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Seeing as how my rant started all this, I guess it's up to me to provide a solution
Me and the missus were discussing this last night and we decided the best way to handle this would be to just divide the bleachers up into sections.
If you remember the way the old bleachers were set up, there was a Family Section in the left field corner (no alcohol) and a Group Section (you have to buy the whole section – about 100 seats) where the bleacher boxes are now. The Cubs should bring back those sections and add some new ones.
Puking Section
Pissing Section
Fighting Section
Old Style Section
Exposed Flesh Section
and if there’s any room left over, a Real Fans Section.
I’m sure I forgot some…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Exposed flesh section
Could also be called 70’s flashback section.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
May I offer an alternative?
Hire a half-dozen off-duty (on on) to be an escalation point for ushers. Ushers give you one warning, and any problems after that are upped to that roaming group, who will remove offenders, and if needed, make arrests.
Once guys get hip to the fact that they will actually be removed, they’ll quit coming back to their seats after starting trouble with a chip on their shoulders and smiles on their faces like the whole thing is some badge of honor, looking to start even more troubles.
by Damen Jackson on May 13, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
That's another thing that needs to be done.
Zero tolerance. You act up, you’re out on the street. No discussion, no excuses.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Al, I am mostly with you on this one
But “zero tolerance” is a bullshit term used to make excuses for unthinking administrative behavior. It results in things like 10-year-olds being ejected from school for sexual harassment because they stole a kiss from Mary Lou.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
In those cases, yes, it is exactly that.
Having “zero tolerance” for drunken brawls in the bleachers — I think you can see the difference.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
well I would have no tolerance for that
Like I said, the “zero tolerance” term raises my hackles.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Agreed here.
The security guys need some leeway to make their own decisions. Technically, if you violate the “fan code of conduct” at a Bears game, i’m supposed to personally escort you out of the stadium. But if you are just cursing and seem open to the idea of knocking it off, it isn’t worth my time when i’ve got 20,000 other drunk people in my zone who at any minute could need me for something more serious than f-bomb.
The key isn’t the policies, the key is visible, well trained security staff.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I say hire a bunch of ninjas to patrol the crowds
No one will ever know they are there untill you happent to look up to a smoke bomb going off. It won’t take long and the people will be nice and calm then
"The doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
Dizzy Dean
Ricketts isn't going to stop the fighting....
he’s a smart businessman, he’ll just set up some booths to allow wagering on Who will win. INSTANT REVENUE STREAM.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 12:38 PM CDT reply actions
Bleacher Fighting Championships?
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by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
With Ring Card Girls.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm starting to wonder about what fighting style people will need to adapt to first
Puke and Punch
or
Stumble and Smother.
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by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Will they have beer bras, brah?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
There is ONE solution that WILL work
Off-duty cops in highly visible jackets or shirts.
Those of you old enough to have been at CHICAGO STADIUM knows there were some serious fights in the stands in the 60’s-80’s, far and away worse than at Wrigley lately.
After screwing around for a few seasons, old man [Arthur] Wirtz finally had Chicago Cops in BRIGHT ORANGE windbreaker jackets work security. Harvey Wittenberg on teh public address always informed the crowd of their presence.
My cousin worked security there for 11 seasons when he was still in the CPD. Believe me, many people that saw the badge, cuffs & billy-club INSTANTLY thought twice. Those that didn’t, were in the slammer in less than an hour.
Within a season or two disturbances went way down and the ferocity of those that did occur were also diminished.
It’s up to Ricketts to engage the proper authorities and I guarantee you if he does, this shit will come to nearly a stop in a season or so.
Just win the next game...!
Are they still there?
Haven’t been to a Hawks game in years
Chicago Stadium is gone now for 16 years
but at the UC there is security presence and seemingly a lot of it. I don’t see the monkeyshines from the stadium 30+ years ago.
It’s a much different Blackhawks crowd now. Sad to say it’s more like a Bulls crowd.
Just win the next game...!
5) Retrain existing security to recognize situations before they become a problem and to extinguish situations quietly and effectively. If need be, hire the Metro security staff as consultants on the matter. As far as venue security goes, I’ve seen them keep some of the rowdiest crowds under control without having to rough anyone up. Plus, I don’t think there’s more than six security guards at the Metro for a capacity 1000 venue.
Bears, beets, Battlestar Galactica. - Jim Halpert as Dwight Schrute
Won't work unless they have arrest authority and since
they never will, we’d be back to Al’s #3 idea.
Just win the next game...!
The Metro's security has nothing to do with Wrigley's security.
Working at a concert is an entirely different beast. When is the last time you saw a fight at a concert? It rarely happens. Everybody is there for the exact same reason – there aren’t “teams”, or groups of people inherently at odds and proudly displaying as much on their shirts. And chances are fans at a concert aren’t going to start turning on each other, because its unlikly things will turn out differently than ticket holders wanted when they attend a concert. You go, you see your music, you leave happy.
At concerts, you deal with drunks, but they generally aren’t hostile unless they are rolling on something other than booze and weed. The issues the Metro guys deal with involve people trying to get on stage, maybe some crowd surfing, possibly the odd fan trying to get backstage. Hardly anything that qualifies you to deal with the issues in the Bleachers.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Clearly we don’t go to the same kind of concerts. ;p
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I work for a concert promoter. I attended and / or worked at over 100 concerts last year.
This is me working security for Rage Against the Machine a couple of summers ago:

It doesn’t get much more aggressive than that audience. Unless you are an Insane Clown Posse fan or something, i’m not sure what you are seeing at these things that applies to Wrigley.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I was drawing a correlation between how the Metro stopped shit like the riot at the GBH show, prevented more situations like the stabbings at the last Chicago Black Flag show from continuing and all of the other standard issue violence that went on during that time period.
Much like the random stupid behavior that goes on in the bleachers. You create new rules and actually enforce them, the problems go away. Which is why things are very different in venues such as the Metro and larger.
As far as smaller shows go, it’s a different beast all together. The crowd that you’re going to run into at Rage Against the Machine is going to be totally different than the crowd you would run into at a show like the Skarhead/Death Before Dishonor show that happened a few weeks ago at Subterranean (which had a couple fights break out due to opposing “teams,” which in this case are “crews.”) Security was entirely unable to control it and the show ended up getting cut short.
Properly trained security would have recognized and defused the situation before it happened. Just like properly trained security at Wrigley would defuse situations in the bleachers before they happen.
Bears, beets, Battlestar Galactica. - Jim Halpert as Dwight Schrute
I get that...
… i’m just saying properly trained to secure a concert doesn’t mean you are properly trained to secure a sporting event.
Obviously whatever concerts you are going to are the exception, as there IS an interest in fighting there – but in those cases (and i know this with certainty) they tend to bring in outside security like the guys i work with.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Insane Clown Posse?

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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I’ve been going to hardcore shows since the late 80’s and I’ve witnessed more violence and straight up ignorant behavior at shows than I’ve ever seen at Wrigley.
When talking about rival teams etc, if you look at the history of punk and hardcore, you quickly find out about various “crews,” cliques and gangs who all have problems with one another. Figure in skinheads and other various mutants and violence is inevitable.
Part of working security is recognizing potential problems and from what I can tell, Wrigley’s security is unable to do that. Whether it’s lack of training or not enough people. Either way, I agree 100% that something has to change.
Bears, beets, Battlestar Galactica. - Jim Halpert as Dwight Schrute
Fghts getting some mass media visibility
From Paul Sullivan today
The centerfield bleacher brawl from Wednesday’s game at Wrigley has not shown up on “You Tube” as of Thursday morning.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
I always sit in the bleachers when I visit Chicago
I have only seen one incident, and it was promptly handled. I have seen far worse behavior at NFL and NHL games. Compared to the Eagles & Raiders fans, I think the Bleacher Creatures are well behaved. What I don’t get, is after a homer or during a rally the ushers insistence that everyone sit down.
13- Warner, 23- Sandberg, 40- Tillman, 11- Walter
Too late
Is this the reputation this franchise wants?
That reputation has already been established for some time now. It’s obviously a shame cause these druken meatheads give the game, the franchise, and the stadium a bad name. Anyone caught doing what you mentioned should receive a lifetime ban from attending games. Either that or cut their hamstrings just above the knee- that way they don’t have the mobility or stability to start the aforementioned fights.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
Not fair on the college ticket idea.
There are many college kids who don’t drink and love baseball. Can’t punish the tree because of the apple, right?
Just hire more security. God knows the Cubs have the money.
OT Question-
Does anyone know what radio station broadcasts the Cubs in Springfield, IL? I’m going to be down there this weekend and was hoping I would be able to check the score occasionally.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
Thanks!
That list will come in handy for the rest of the summer as well for some of my other trips.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
As someone who has travelled frequently up to Rockford and back from St. Louis
I’d tell you that tuning in WGN is a better option when you aren’t near the immediate area of Springfield. I sure couldn’t get other radio stations very often for the game.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you for this
One of those stations is local to me – I had no idea.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
You're going to Springpatch? Nice!
Go to Joe Rodgers’ for some Chili (I prefer medium with a touch)
Go to Darcy’s for a horseshoe
Go to the Magic Kitchen for the eggrolls and peanut sauce.
Go to the Feed Store for lunch (chicken salad and bowl of broccoli cheese soup)
Too bad the Jolly Tamale’s been gone for a while now. Missing out on a Sancho….mmmm…sanchos……
I’d guess AM1450, but google would have that answer. I can only give you nice eat spots.
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks.
Too bad we are only there for two days. I’m getting hungry. Do you know if any of those are near the Old Capitol building? That’s where I’ll be all weekend.
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Art show?
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
Good luck. Sell out.
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
Yeah
The Feed Store is right on the OC square. You should be able to get lunch there no problem.
The original Magic Kitchen is out by the fairgrounds – the original holeinthewall BYOB – and Darcy’s is on Macarthur now…I think…
Joe Rodgers isn’t THAT far from you. Not walking distance, but just a couple miles.
And here’s the Travel Channel guy going after the Firebrand record.
I prefer to enjoy my food, which is why I recommended the medium with a touch. Have fun.
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Cool! Thanks so much for all the suggestions.
I’ll have to send my husband out for an explore. He gets bored at some of my shows after awhile.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
Just watched that man vs. food...
Idk if that would be a good idea to eat that the night before a show. Then next night we have a 5 hr. drive home. I might have to pass on that one. It is tempting though.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
No, that's the top of the line hardcore spicy chili
You can get it as low on spice as you want – no reason to go THAT nuts with it.
Like I said, I prefer medium with a TOUCH of fire. I like to enjoy my food.
No matter what spice level you get, it’s really flavorful and a slice of springfield history.
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
OK-we'll probably give it a try.
If it’s the place I’m thinking, we’ve been to the Feed Store for lunch a few times in past years. It was good.
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Katie
I know that you are a beer lover, and Springfield is my hometown. I haven’t been there for a couple of years, but Brewhaus at 617 E. Washington Street is across the street from the Old State Capitol Plaza, and they have a great selection of beers at low Springfield prices. Google still thinks they are there.
Also, the best restaurant in town is Maldaner’s, at 222 S. Sixth street, also a block away from the Old State Capitol Plaza. Higher prices, but good for a nice dinner. We always have one night-out dinner there when we visit my brothers and sisters.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
ooo
That sounds right up my alley. Thanks. I’m starting to look forward to this trip.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
I only get to wrigley once or twice a year...
…but the last time I was there we sat in our usual seats (second row somewhere in right) and this group got so freaking wasted it wasn’t even funny. I overheard their conversation. One member of their crew got thrown out standing in line to get in, one got thrown out for lighting up a cig at his seats after being asked not to, one guy literally passed out up against the big green wall in the first row, and this other couple had their hands down each others pants.
Some people might say well then don’t sit there anymore but that’s where I want to sit. Every game wasn’t that way for me. I’ve met a lot of nice, baseball intelligent people in the bleachers but sometimes it is really out of control.
United we stand and united we'll fall......down on our knees the day we win it all!
Many cities allow cops to work off duty security jobs while in uniform
It is like haveing cops on out on the street but someone else pays for them. I don’t see why the team and the city don’t get together and make this happen. Ususally the cops get paid at least overtime or more per their union rules. I know I could use 4 or 5 hours of ovetime to watch a baseball game
"The doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
Dizzy Dean
Oh my, the angst
No bans…No profiling…and for dear God’s sake, no fucking ninja’s or BS crap like that.
All the Cubs need is the good ’ol 2-step:
1. COPS in the stands, clear and present [danger] to dumb-asses.
2. PA announcement a couple times, “COPS are present, in the stands in bright you WILL be arrested, fined AND spend the night in the clink”.
It worked at Chicago Stadium, it will work at Wrigley Field…done.
Now, can the CUBS just win again tomorrow ?! Can I get a, “HELL YEAH !”?
Just win the next game...!
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
I sit in the bleachers regularly and have not witnessed some of the atrocities (puking, pissing etc.) but can acknowledge that an increased security presence would help. The bleachers do have a fun and unique atmosphere, but that doesn’t necessarily have to include awful behavior.
The picture
. . . looks like a Half-as-tall but just-as-wide form of Zambrano fighting a thinner Geovany Soto. Maybe it would help for that to happen in the dugout. Lol
Just dont sit there.
If you would like to go to a cub game to watch the game, then go and sit somewhere else. its that easy. everyone knows what goes on in the bleachers and if you dont want to deal with it then dont sit there. there is cheaper seating and you can go enjoy the game there. unfortunately there are a lot of cub fans out there that just go to cub games to get fucked up, not saying i haven’t done it but all im saying is if you dont want to deal with it then dont sit there, so stop bitching about it.
Disagree completely.
Provided I follow the rules of a civilized society, I should be able to watch a baseball game in whatever seat I can afford to purchase.
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
hmmm.....lemme see if I understand what you're trying to say....
In other words…if you don’t like gang rape…don’t get sent to prison? OK…solid logic.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, there's so much wrong with this I don't know where to start.
First of all, cut the profanity. Second of all, that is NOT what people should be going to a baseball game for. If that’s what you’re doing there, stay away. You are part of the cause of this problem.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Completely off topic:
My new Cubs jersey arrived! :)

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- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
You misspelled Zack Taylor's first name...and it should be his last name on there anyway.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Let him buy his own jersey ;)
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- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
Nice!
And dang it…I was thinking of getting a Katie Casey 08 and people here talked me out of it saying personalized jerseys were silly. But yours looks nice.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
Personalized Jerseys are silly
I’m not responding to Zeke because I’m nice.
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
True dat. Plus Zeke's a nice guy.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, I have no problem being silly or looking like a doofus.
Ask Mrs. Zeke. She’ll back me up on that.
And I say katie if that’s what YOU want, then you should get it. If it makes you happy, go for it. That’s what Mrs. Zeke told me about my jersey and I always listen to my wife.
Well mostly.
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
You're a very smart husband!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 13, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't stay married for 27 years without figuring out quickly that...
everyone’s a whole lot happier when mom is happy… ;)
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- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
I've sure enjoyed your posts on here as well as your wife's.
Which is why I’ll completely overlook your avatar now lol. :) I’m never afraid to look like a doofus, I just do it differently.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
Here's my jersey theory in a nutshell
Nobody should ever wear one in public unless you are playing the game.
That’s it. Simple. Putting your name on the back just doubles the silliness.
That being said – I own an Urlacher jersey and a PERSONALIZED Hawks jersey.
I wear them only when watching the game at home on television. And when the final whistle blows/horn sounds I take the jersey off and hang it in the closet.
The point is, I KNOW how stupid I look in those things, but I love the teams and hope it brings some good karma, and goshdarnit it makes me feel better – but I won’t take that stuff out in public.
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
My theory is this:
If I’m lucky, I get to 2-3 games a year. I like wearing Cubs gear when I go. It makes me happy. I go to Wrigley to be happy.
Most times it doesn’t work out- the Cubs lose more often than not when we come, but I will say our W-L record in recent years is much better.
I respect that others may feel differently. That’s OK. I’m not making you wear it. ;)
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
Thats pretty much my theory on jersies
I personally, own none. I used to own a Payton jersey and until I get someone who means as much as Payton did, I probably won’t own another one.
But, if you’re a jersey type? Do whatever makes you happy.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
Here's a good jersey question:
If you’re going to a game, and you have a jersey of NEITHER team playing, is it acceptable to wear a jersey (of the same said sport) to the game although you’re not “supporting” either team?
Example:
Wearing Cubs jersey to two teams from the AL playing
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
It is Fundamentally Irresponsible to wear a jersey of any team not involved.
That’s just stupid
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what a frat boy would do.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Along with ten friends drunk on 10 beers. Being nice and respectful.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I've always thunk it to be alright.
You’re showing your support for the sport—in this case, baseball. I may be a Cubs fan, and not own any A’s or Yankees gear, but I would like to see those two teams play if I’m in the area.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
You showed your support for the sport by buying a ticket
who are you trying to impress in the masses by professing your allegiances?
Seriously, you’d be better off having a friendly conversation with the person seated next to you than putting a billboard on your head/back proclaiming your allegiance.
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey man I was just posting a question...
If I’m going to a baseball game, I want to wear baseball gear. I don’t have any Yankee or A’s stuff, I’m gonna wear a Cubs hat or t-shirt or jersey.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
GJ just doesn't like jerseys outside
the house.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
THat's not true! LOL
Jerseys are fine. The personalized/player jerseys are embarrasing. which is why i keep mine in the house.
I have a great time at the Yard with just a ballcap.
And no, I do not wear my cubs hat in any opposing park when the Cubs aren’t playing. I find neutrality to be the best course of action.
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
to each their own
:-P
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Keep it up.....
bang.
zoom.
straighttothemoon
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
TWSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
fail!
you can’t twss your own comment, gibbon! you know this
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
I am doing everything in my power to
ruin the TWSS grip on this board. And will flagellate the TWSS without regard for proper usage or commonly held beliefs.
;)
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
haha
lots of big words there just to call yourself difficult!
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TWSS!!!!
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Words weren't the only big...difficult...things.
TWSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't intend to sound like I was jumping on ya...sorry
Just sayin’ that I’d rather meet the locals and have a friendly discussion…gratuitous pity for being a cub fan always is welcome…rather than walk into their stadium and project my rooting interests.
Because, honestly, if you’re a fan of the game, you really don’t care who wins the game you’re watching you just want to see a good one. Kind of hard to rootrootroot for the home team decked out in 3rd party gear.
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
i just don't consider
a jersey “decked out”.
If you go with a hat, jersey, jacket, boxers at a game (any game, probably, thats crapload of gear for one time) you look silly.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
I don't know...
This is probably breaking this issue down to its most moronic base, but it’s easier to grab a hat and run out the door than sport a jersey.
Whatever, my point is clear and it ain’t gonna change behaviour/opinion.
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Most people I know
throw on their jersey over a tank top or tshirt and go. So its pretty similar.
But, whatever floats your boat. Wear whatever you want. :-)
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
By that rationale
I presume you’ll be at the Nationals/Expos series this weekend in your cubbie thong/jersey/helmet onesie….
heyyyooooooooo……….
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha!
There was a family of Cards fans wearing them behind us at the Cubs/Brewers game at Miller Park a few weeks ago.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
See? And I bet they were nice, right?
Probably just excited to see a game, right?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
They were nice...
and quiet. It was that blowout game where the Cubs were totally kicking the Brewers butts. :)
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
Ahhhh, those were the days.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Lol-sure seems that way, but it was THIS year.
It was the Apr. 25th sweep of the Brewers. Cubs won 12-2.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
I have no issues with that
Now, if you’re decked out in Cubs gear but at a Tigers/Twins game? Douche.
But a jersey? I see nothing wrong with that.
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OK, seriously I was NOT trying to hijack the thread by posting my jersey picture katie!
It just makes me happy.
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
It's been Fratjacked
Booyakasha
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by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Only 10? We're not trying then...;)
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- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
Now real hijacking
would’ve been if you’d spelled out your name in Greek Letters instead.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
I wasn't in a fraternity in college, so that would have never occurred to me to do
Frats were very NOT in vogue in the early 1970s. They were equated with the Vietnam war for some reason. Not sure why, really. Never made sense to me. I just wasn’t interested in joining one.
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
I wasn't being that literal
just connecting threadjacks, thats all.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
Ah. Ok. No worries...
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
I'm sorry. The hijack was totally my fault.
And I like your jersey. I really do. I promise that when mine gets ruined getting puked and/or peed on at my next game, my new one will be personalized. Should I do Katie Casey 08 or my last name with 87 (year I got married)?
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
That one depends on you, dear.
Do whatever you want. :-)
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
Al, have you tried to do anything about the guy Chris who retitled this thread on SBN?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 2:43 PM CDT reply actions
I exchanged a couple of emails with Chris.
He didn’t retitle the post. He made a commentary about the post. If you read his entire commentary, he linked to this post and clearly pointed out that I had suggestions for cleaning up the problem.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I read the post, but it sure looks as if he's titling it as such.
Yes he does state correctly your suggestions, but it’s much like printing slander headlines on the front page of the newspaper. People rarely dig deep enough to have context much less look for a retraction days afterwards.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I sat in the bleachers a few times last year,
and my experiences as a whole were pretty good for the most part. One of the games, there was a group of mid 20 year olds that got pretty drunk and got in a few arguments, but nothing really escalated from there. Security was very strict, and yelled at anyone who stood up or had a sign up during the game. I saw them kick one drunk guy out, after the dude reached through the basket and grabbed a leaf of ivy off the wall. For some odd reason, none of the security guards were buying the dudes’ story as his friends tried to convince the security guards that he brought the leaf in from outside.
Security does a good job when they can find the problems.
The problem with that is, as I pointed out, there are too many problems and too few employees.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yea I would agree.
I think the answer is more security and possibly Chicago police getting involved. I can’t really see the Rickett’s taking a different approach as it would cut down on beer sales. Hire more security/police; yea it costs money, but its worth it to protect both the fans and the team’s image.
That was kind of my point.
They have to decide whether this image is worth the extra beer sales. I say no.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Any weed smoking going on out there in the bleachers?
maybe they’d all mellow out..
Favre-enfreude
The thrill of seeing an epic Brett Favre fail. Derived from schadenfreude - satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune.
It'd sure be good for an uptick in food sales...
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
The music festival plan for raking in profits:
Allow (or, look the other way) weed. Start charging $6 for water and double whats normal for snacks. Profit.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
That's consistent with the outdoor ampitheatre here in stl.
They started banning concertgoers from returning from their cars during a concert, along with jacking up the price on water and any food. Thus, I never attend long “fests” at all. When you’re there for 8 hours, you have to pay outrageous prices for even water. Pure greed.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I smelled some occasionally
20 years or so ago when I sat out there..
Favre-enfreude
The thrill of seeing an epic Brett Favre fail. Derived from schadenfreude - satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune.
Haven't smelled any recently.
It used to be more common in the 70s.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
There are a couple of places where people will sneak off to get a quick smoke in.
One, specifically in the bleachers, is frequented by a lot of the Wrigley foodservice staff. For the right price, you can join them.
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure it's just a Migraine Sufferer's meeting.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Being a die hard Cub's fan should qualify.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw guys passing a joint around in the grandstands last year
they weren’t even being subtle about it. and they were probably in their 40s
by holy mackeral on May 14, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm sorry but,
if you don’t like who sits in the bleachers, why not just buy tickets somewhere else?
I'm going to just assume that you're kidding...or are a frat boy.
You can’t seriously be as dumb as you appear.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Given his name here is eerily close to the same themed post by chrisstrom above.
I think you are wrong and he is at least that stupid.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
why would i be kidding?
I’m not a frat boy, lol. While I don’t vomit in public or fight when I drink at a baseball game, I am not necessarily offended by drunken behavior. I am not offended by the things mentioned as “problems,” so I wouldn’t have a problem sitting in this “problem” section of the ballpark. Teetotalers should probably just stay away from the bleachers however, as it might offend them to see such debauchery. There are plenty of places to sit in the ballpark, and the don’t all have the same reputation as the “Bud Light Bleachers.”
So....public urination and violence...for or against?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
neutral
it can be funny i guess. people watching can be fun too
OK, you are as dumb as you appear.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
no, i'm not so nieve
as to think that a place that has a reputation for being a drunk’s playground can exist without fights. they don’t bother me. they clearly bother you. Don’t sit there if it bother you. You appear to be the stupid one, who doesn’t learn from past mistakes, and you keep going back, thinking that maybe it’ll be different the next time.
Are you the guy holding up the moran sign in STL?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, other than the fact I don't live in Chicago OR have EVER sat in the bleachers...
that make no f’ing sense at all.
Were you a writer for “Escape from New York”?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude, that's a good movie.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I have found
that movie strangely enjoyable over the years. Escape from L.A.? Not so much.
by Damen Jackson on May 13, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh, Snake Plissken is one of the most awesomest action heroes ever?
And John Carpenter kicks-ass!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
This is a clear example of you can't fix stupid.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
other than the fact that chronic violence and public indecency are bad and should be stopped?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
but why?
you still haven’t said why. other than it offends you. it doesn’t offend me, or the perpetrators of said “offense”
got it....as long as you and the people around you don't have a problem....it's ok...
if you’ll excuse me…I have a NAMBLA meeting to preside over.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
If you're over 12, I sure hope english isn't your first language.
Damen said it best….wow…just, wow.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I know he's not
Fernando Nieve, since he said so.
by Josh Timmers on May 13, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
You know,
Originally I was just going to snicker and just past this thread on by. But wow, man. Just wow.
by Damen Jackson on May 13, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm opposed to people vomiting on me and my lady
but that’s just me. Guess it means I should be the one sitting somewhere else. Makes perfect sense.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Please stop paying your electric bill so you can't use the internet anymore.
Thank You.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you'd have to talk to his mom about that.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
my mother is dead
why would you say such a thing?
Hey, we're all OK with her being dead....so it's cool.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotcha now. all troll speak.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
blame the victim much?
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
So wait, I pay money that I worked for to go see a baseball game.
Someone pisses on me then pukes on me and my wife and I should be the one who sits some where else? Mean while said puker get is a fight and falls his 300 pound ass on my pregnant wifes head and I should move. Now I see your logic
"The doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
Dizzy Dean
everybody knows that the party is in the bleachers
don’t buy that ticket if you don’t want to go to the party… there are 35,000 other places to sit
quite sober actually
you assumed that risk when you bought bleacher tix
It's a ticket to a baseball game...
they’re shouldn’t be a “risk” of anything other than getting hit by a baseball leaving the field of play.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
you get assaulted at parties?
What you’re describing here as “risk” isn’t just strange behavior and swearing… its out of line.
If this thread were all about people simply complaining about idiotic behavior (ie: swearing, loud talking, drinking to excess) instead of what is actually being described (fights, excessive drinking, lewd/obscene behavior, etc) you’d have apoint. But you don’t.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
Don't feed a troll or bears. Just makes them grow.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
No, because you're taking an indefensible position and not actually addressing any of the real issues around it.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
there's no issue to address
you assume a certain risk when you buy a ticket to the party deck. your solution is to basically ban the party (no more getting shitfaced). Some people, not including myself, want to get shitfaced at the ballgame. The bleachers are the section where getting shitfaced is tolerated. If it offends you, don’t sit there, that’s all I’m saying. There are 35,000 better places to sit in the ballpark.
...
The bleachers are the section where getting shitfaced is tolerated.
This is why you’re dumb.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
are you blind??!??
the cubs don’t seem to care about this, otherwise, this wouldnt be an issue. They allow a beer company to sponsor the name of the drinking section! they understaff the security!
Yes actually I am blind
that means nothing.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
are you illiterate?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Wrong.
“Getting shitfaced” is not a reason to go to a baseball game, nor should it be “tolerated” there. It’s attitudes like this that the Cubs have to stop, and NOW before someone gets seriously injured, maimed or killed.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Wonder if Chris will get some laughs if that happens.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure he's getting a lot of laughs from us responding to him.
I don’t believe one single word he’s spoken other than he lives in Florida.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm guessing he's
neutral on maiming, but may be more conservative on death.
by Damen Jackson on May 13, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
for some people
it is… actually, for a lot of people it is, as you pointed out in the OP
Well, guess what.
That’s wrongheaded thinking. As I said, attitudes like yours are a big reason why this is a problem that the Cubs MUST address.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
This guy has to be a kid.
At least, its better than the alternatives like being an old troll or sociopath.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Chris, your
logic is just so simply flawed that I’m in all seriousness forced to ask how old you are.
by Damen Jackson on May 13, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
He wants to know if you're too young to know better, or
too old to bother with.
may addition by subtraction be real
fair enough
28. been to wrigley 4 times, bleachers twice. saw fights both times, didn’t care, actually it provided me with laughs
You're a big part of the problem.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on May 13, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, you just find it "entertaining" to watch people pee on each other and fight...
there are pay sites on the internet for that….
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay,
Well do this. Close your eyes, imagine that’s it’s 10 years in the future, you’ve a wonderful little girl, and you decide to take the family to the park for some “wholesome” family entertainment.
Now, the guys in front of you are fighting, and refuse to sit down. The drunk to your right keeps shoving your wife, and looking at you asking what’s YOUR problem. The ushers are telling you after blowing $200 that’s there’s little that they can do, except give these folks a stern talking to. And your little girl just turned around to see some nitwit with his junk out, and gets a little spray in the face for her troubles.
You getting the idea?
by Damen Jackson on May 13, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
It was his own fault for buying a ticket in that spot in the fist place. /nonsense
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
she wouldn't be sitting in the bleachers
you getting the idea?
I called it. You're a cartoon.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions
No fair! I called troll first!
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I take it back
you really are that stupid.
by Damen Jackson on May 13, 2010 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
You can't argue with this kind of attitude.
And as you can clearly see, Damen, this attitude is a big part of the problem.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
i can't believe you would say that
just buy a different season ticket, and you won’t have to deal with this problem… you know that there are better seats than LF bleachers, right?
Why anybody is engaging this guy...
… is beyond me.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
It's why I stopped.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think I'll stop too.
Because clearly, this individual lives in an alternate reality.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
yes i do
i live in the reality that i am not surprised when i encounter drunk people in the “Bud Light Bleachers.” In my reality, I can buy a ticket to a different section, perhaps a “Family Section,” where drinking is not allowed, or to a section people are sophisticated enough to control themselves. In my reality, the cubs enthusiastically support and endorse alcohol consumption, especially in the section called “Bud Light Bleachers.” See, they’ve made it easy for the fans, sit in the section named after a brand of beer, or sit in the section named after chewing gum. I wonder which section is going to be rowdier? In my reality, probably beer named section. I guess in your reality, there is no solution other than hoping they arm the security after they read your plea that you’re all butthurt about witnessing intoxication at a baseball game instead of doing the easier thing: moving out of the beer section. Why the hell to you feel so entitled?
Dude
My name’s Gunnery Sergeant Highway and I’ve drunk more beer and banged more quiff and pissed more blood and stomped more ass that all of you numbnuts put together.
But I still don’t see how in the hell you can condone public urination
"The doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
Dizzy Dean
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* 2 large eggs
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* 6 Tablespoons chopped tomato
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As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is it
too early to start naming nominees for next year’s HANNA awards?
by Damen Jackson on May 13, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Part of me is actually jealous though...
I wish I could go through life this blissfully ignorant.
by Damen Jackson on May 13, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm literally here
double face palming.
by Damen Jackson on May 13, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm guessing now you haven't created an overflow thread
Because with this kind of thing in it, one is more than enough.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I CALL TIME ON RESPONDING TO CHIRSINFLA.
until such time as the sun explodes and we all die.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Fine. grumble.
I get shotgun then at least.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Just to play along with
this idiocy: its a sold out game and its your only chance to go for a month.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
bring a poncho and brass knuckles and enjoy some baseball!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus, no need to make all those long, unnecessary trips to the bathroom
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Random quote from SBN article:
Because, at 20 years old, Jason Heyward’s average home run has traveled 413.5 feet. For reference, the Major League average is about 394.
Uh, he’s good.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Wondering..
Did the Cubs set a record yesterday by having 3 different pitchers named Carlos appear in the same game?
Or was this covered elsewhere..?
Favre-enfreude
The thrill of seeing an epic Brett Favre fail. Derived from schadenfreude - satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune.
This was mentioned the last time the three Carlos's appeared in the same game...
… it was the first time it had happened since 1966 when the Cubs had three pitchers named “Bill” in the same game.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
When was the last time it happened in a MLB game?
As in, before this season?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't know.
Probably a while ago. It’s not very common for a pitching staff to have three pitchers with the same first name.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I sit in the bleachers about 50% of my games
And I have seen the good and the bad. I do agree that the Crowd Control doesnt do much. I completely agree with having uniformed Chicago Police officers in the bleachers.
That being said, It seams to me that the Ricketts are very fan friendly. I was wondering if there was any way that a petition could be started and sent to them . I would like to think that if alot of loyal Cubs fans brought this to their attention they would at least think about it.
So Al do the people who pay $60
or in fact over $70 (if they used premium pricing) for the platinum level games get to go blotto? Just kidding, but
I noticed you said $40 & $50 when of course the high priced bleacher games are $60 or more depending on fees.
This is a delicate issue though. Let’s be honest the Cubs charge FAR more than the Yankees or ANY other team for the bleachers and they do this because they have successfully marketed them as more or less a party place. It is huge chunk of change for the Cubs. I am not suggesting they let people get drunk & disorderly , but neither are they likely to eliminate or limit beer sales. They should
Increase security.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
OK, so $40 "or more" ....
… better?
Increased security is needed. There’s no doubt about it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Holy crap there's not even a game today.
::Sigh::
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Nope. The entertainment is HERE instead!
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
i know! ugh :-(
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
Why do you think there are 700 posts about booze, puke, piss and frats?
And jerseys. And Ninjas.
Follow me on Twitter: @brandonrifkin
YEah but I started the one abbout the ninjas
"The doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
Dizzy Dean
What?
There’s no game going on and I’m just hanging out talking trash with people.
what is this, the bleachers?
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
New topic...
Do I buy a messenger bag for my laptop and other gear, or should I just throw all of my shit into a Wal-Mart bag?
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by Craig in South Bend on May 13, 2010 3:59 PM CDT reply actions
Rook
WOXY.com - The Future of Rock and Roll
by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
.
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
Old handkerchief tied to the end of a stick.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
i LOVE my messenger bag
i can throw my laptop in the sleeve and still have room for all my other stuff.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
TimBuk2 bags are awesome.
Kinda become too hipster tho.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Hipster bike messangers ruined TimBuk2 for the rest of us.
Great bags though.
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I use a YakPak messenger bag
The one I have is over 5 years old and still going strong
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
This needs an overflow thread now lol.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 13, 2010 4:17 PM CDT reply actions
Unbelievable really...
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
A "bad start" implies it will end...
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
a bad start, followed by a lousy mid season, followed by a dismal ending
maybe this year will be different. How about an ice cold Budweiser?
by holy mackeral on May 13, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm hearing rumors of a Vodka and Whiskey shortage in Cook County.
may addition by subtraction be real
Taking back the bleachers from the A-hole frat boys
As a regular in the 70’s I remember we did our share of partying in the bleachers however it was usually not in liquid form and it was always under the bleachers.
No as a old guy with young children and tickets to a few games in the bleachers this year I’m frankly a bit concerned about bringing my 7 yr old and 11 yr.old kids to a game.
It’s a damn shame that the owners let it go this far, they really need to step up and make examples out of some of these frat boys and maybe the word will get out that this sort of crap will not be tolerated.
Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is no way to go through life son.
by alabebo on May 13, 2010 4:49 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Sigh...
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
no kidding.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
Monster LOL.
MAKE IT GREEN!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on May 13, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey now
Just because they are partying like frat guys doesn’t mean they are frat guys.
Huge difference between being in a frat and what frat like activity is
by IllinoisCubs on May 13, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't we do this already in this thread?
Take the word “frat” out of his post and it’s 100% true.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
You’re right AL,
I shouldn’t paint in such broad strokes.
You go to many more games than I do, let’s just call a A-hole an A-hole no matter what level of education they may or may not have.
Would it be fair to say most are white, under 30 and still living in Mom’s basement?
Fat , drunk , and ,stupid is no way to go through life son.
Really, generalizing and calling names isn't helping your argument.
It doesn’t matter who they are. If they’re getting drunk and acting like idiots and/or fighting, they have to leave the bleachers. Period.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It's not just the "frat boys"
I’m assuming that when people here mentioning that, they are describing an age demographic rather than just a behavioural pattern. If so, that’s not entirely true. I’ve seen people who are 2 decades past frat-boy (sorority girl) age act a fool, get all shit-faced and make a complete ass of themselves. In other words, it’s not just frat-boys doing this. It’s anyone who can’t handle (or who does not want to handle) their liquor.
I bring my kids to the games 6, 7 times a season, probably the worst time because it’s almost always hot summer days but they are day games. We sit in the top row in the allies towards centre. I see “silly” behaviour but lesser, the behaviour described here.
The solution is CHICAGO COPS in highly visible shirts or jackets, with badges, cuffs & billy clubs. The rate of occurrence will drop 90% by seasons’ end.
Just win the next game...!
If i was to point to an age demographic that is CONSISTENTLY raising hell...
… i’d probably say the mid to late 20’s, even early 30’s… although that perception is no doubt swayed by the fact that i generally only sit in bleachers on non-work days, and often Saturdays – when bachelor / bachelorette parties are there. In their cases, the game is generally just one of a whole string of drinking activities through the day…
Same problem on the rooftops, in my experience.
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by AndrewJStone on May 14, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Corey Patterson homered,doubled and ended Thursday's game by throwing out Seattle's Jack Wilson at home plate.Orioles win 6-5.
stop trolling
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
the truth or untruth of it
is not what makes it trolling
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
try to forgive me
so I was trolling. get over it
by holy mackeral on May 14, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Ticket prices
It’s lucky ticket prices have gone up from the $1.50 price for bleacher seats that I used to pay in the early 1980s. Imagine all the extra money college kids would have to buy mor beer!
"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry
Strangely enought...
… in those days, when tickets and beer were both less expensive in the bleachers, these problems did not exist.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I remember
it was very lively in those days and we definitely got on the case of opposing outfielders in a big way. Also lots of chanting of “right field sucks,” etc. I was 10 or 11 years old, at the games with friends, and never felt threatened or in harms way. This is 1981/1982/1983 we’re talking. My parents never had a problem letting my friends and me go there unsupervised.
Now if I wanted my 10-year old to have a day in the bleachers, I’d have to give him $75!
"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry
I wonder how much it'd cost you to get your kid back...
… after child services took it away from you for letting a 10 year old head in to the Bleachers unsupervised!
Just kidding, obviously.
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by AndrewJStone on May 13, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
It was a different era
See my Fan Post from 1965.
If 38-hundred people were all that could show for a doubleheader and more than half were retirees over 65, it was a gentle Wrigley Field, with the scent of Vicks Vapo-Rub wafting through the grandstand.
Who would have the energy to drink and get into a fight with the Andy Frain ushers??
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 13, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Since I lived there back then...
…and spent a lot of time in the right field bleachers, I have to agree.
As the commenter below said, mostly good fun, not much in the way of real trouble. As illegal as we usually got were little bets on things and an attendance pool.
Minimum wage was like 3 dollars a day then also
"The doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
Dizzy Dean
Ok not 3 bucks a day
but in 1995 I remember it being 4.15 an hour and thinking I was hot shit for amking 6 bucks an hour. What was it in the mid 70s?
"The doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
Dizzy Dean
In 1970 I was making $1.10 an hour (before taxes) as a bus boy and that was an increase
over what I was making on a paper route and collecting pop bottles for two cents deposit apiece. Ah, those were the days.
Wait a minute, we weren’t getting paid SQUAT!
Hey!
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
$3 an hour
It was 1981, not 1881!
"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry
I'm going to take a different approach...
You don’t like the atmosphere in the bleachers? You don’t like the atmosphere in the ballpark?
DON’T GO.
Rather than demand that management change or that other people change their behaviour to accomodate whatever antiquated notion you might have of days gone by just worry about yourself.
Wrigley Field isn’t the first place on earth that’s changed for the worse and it won’t be the last.
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There is also no reason to not expect some level of appropriate public behaviour...
regardless of the venue.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
And I don't disagree with that
But if it has passed the tipping point of acceptability, then why continue to subject yourself to it?
Having perused the comments there are stories of problems and stories of great times. Some people don’t like what they see, others are around it and have been in it.
I’m absolutely NOT stating that what is being objected to is acceptable public behaviour.
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
No....
… the “tipping point of acceptability” is unacceptable. You’re saying that no one should care if civility goes out the window?
Sorry, I don’t want to live in your world.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
But you already live in it
Lots of things I find objectionable from a social perspective I’m forced to deal with every single day.
Whether that’s on the Metra, on the EL, in traffic, standing in line, wherever…there’s a lot of stuff I don’t like and I’ve come to realize that the world keeps on spinning, the bar for civility keeps being lowered.
I’m NOT saying it’s right, just saying it’s inevitable.
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
and as a socitey....don't you want the things that can be addressed and stopped....
addressed and stopped?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I firmly disagree that it's inevitable.
Let’s stop the declines we can stop.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
True
But Al’s not saying “get off my lawn”, he’s saying “hey Mr Ricketts, things are bad. if you want to stop it from going this way, here’s how I think you could”.
Theres a world of difference.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
I'm going to start playing a boom box in the library and just tell everyone that things change for the worse sometimes.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
That just doesn't make any sense
Since when did the Library charge $50 for admission and $8 a beer.
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Why does the $ amount matter?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
The $ amount doesn't matter
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
You brought it up as a reason my analogy didn't make sense....I was just wondering why.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
The point was admission...
The Library is a publicly funded enterprise free to anyone, whereas the Cubs are a private enterprise that demand a fee for entrance.
Subsequently, the Cubs should be able to mandate behaviour on their private property. Interstingly enough, it seems folks are more willing to be idiots at Wrigley than the Library.
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Extraneous 'u'
Canadian much?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Ok I am well informed and won't sit there but
What about the casual fan who is going to his 1st Cubs game and doesn’t know better? I don’t think that is the image the team wants to be associated with
"The doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
Dizzy Dean
To be honest
I don’t think the casual fan is going to have the experience that many in here have described. The Bleachers have plenty of problems, and again, I agree with the solutions put forth by the original posts author, but this seems to have devolved into an examination of some kind of drunken freeforall when that’s not the case the majority of the time.
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
It's heading that way.
And that’s what has to be stopped.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
and wouldn't you like for the druken freeforalls to not be the case the majority of the time?
That’s all most of us are advocating.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
No
but in an effort to keep it from becoming the majority of the time, they’re asking for steps to be taken. Very reasonalbe steps, IMHO, too. Enforcing the policies already in place and training employees to do so is pretty logical and not exactly radical.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
If this were Arizona....we'd have to boycott the Cubs.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you related to a guy named chris who is from Florida?
"The doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
Dizzy Dean
Excuse me?
I should have to leave a place I have been attending since before these idiots were born, because they want to act like drunk morons and behave in a way that might get them arrested if they weren’t in the ballpark?
Sorry, no.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Just stop the druken fights and boorish behaviour....why not?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Because that is where I want to sit.
Because I have sat there for more than 30 years, before many of these idiots were even born.
Because no one has the right to act like a drunken idiot just because they paid for a ticket.
I’m astonished that I have to explain these things to an adult human being.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
i'm astonished
that an old man would want to sit in the bud light bleachers, amongst those animals
So it's insults on top of your attitude?
Enough.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I can only hope you will someday be peed on while attending a game...
and security simply laugh and ask you why you didn’t wear hip waders.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I won't say being drunk at the game is bad
Acting drunk is what is bad. When you act like a 15 year old drinking his 1st beer you have to get the hell out of the park.
"The doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
Dizzy Dean
When you act like a 15 year old drinking his 1st beer...
you’re not emotionally mature enough to be drinking in the first place.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Right, and...
… those people acting that way generally don’t have as their first thought, “I’m going to get the hell out of the park”. They have to be told. There isn’t enough security to do that.
They need more people.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
What makes your nativist view more important than someone elses?
I’m not saying you’re wrong, not saying you’re right, but I HATE when people use the “seniority” card for societal debates. Your argument is as immature as the people as the people you’re criticizing.
Based on what, exactly?
You’re probably one of those people who think season tickets should be randomly assigned on an annual basis.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Awesome stereotyping.
Not what I’m saying. You think that someone is doing wrong because it’s not how you did it back-in-the-day. I’m not saying take away your old-man season tickets. However, just because you’ve been there for 30 whatever years doesn’t mean you get to play God and determine the validity of someone else’s actions.
OK, let's try it this way.
Regardless of whether I have been there for 30 years or one day, it is not right for drunk idiots to ruin my enjoyment of baseball.
And cut the “old man” crap. Maybe the insults are OK over at that Iowa blog, but they’re not here.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Don't give me that.
You first insulted my intelligence with your response to my comment. Besides, I can cite several insults you have given throughout this thread, one conveniently about 10 posts up, “I’m astonished that I have to explain these things to an adult human being.” Way to not sink to those insults Al. And “that Iowa blog” you reference is ran much better than this one.
However, as I said, I’m not saying you’re wrong. I just disagreed with your way of proving your argument.
Right.
Sling insults back, that’s just great.
Head on back to BHGP, please. I’ve had my run-ins with the owner of that site. Not pleased that one of his minions came over here to insult me.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Ummm
In my opinion Al runs a great site here. Timely posts every day that spark great debate. Participates but doesn’t dominate. Rarely gets personal. I’m close to Al’s age I think and I never think the old days were better. Youth must be served. Just not overserved.
"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
who is this bat? and why is she here? Go make us to totinos pizza rolls mom.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 14, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Excuse you?
Wrigley Field doesn’t exist in a vacuum because you were there first and have been there a long time. Nothing does.
I’m not advocating any of the behaviour you object to, and in fact I endorse many of your thoughts/solutions on the issue.
But nobody is forcing you or anyone to buy a ticket to the games and if the experience is so distasteful, then why do it?
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
You have it backwards.
I enjoy baseball games. The experience is becoming distasteful. It doesn’t have to be that way. I have offered constructive suggestions on how to fix these problems.
I can’t understand why you’d be against that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I'm NOT against that
And as I’ve said, I AGREE with many of your suggestions for improvement…
what I’m stating though, is that if you enjoy baseball and you enjoy attending baseball games why are you subjecting yourself to an experience you don’t enjoy? Nobody is forcing you to be there.
Furthermore, I am certainly not suggesting you don’t make your thoughts known about what you dislike, and I hope you have a big enough bullhorn to make the changes you desire happen.
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I do enjoy sitting in the bleachers...
… a place where I’ve sat for more than 30 years, and for the most part had no problems until recent years.
The behavior I’m describing is ruining my experience. You agree with my suggestions for improvement. Why should these people be allowed to ruin the experience, not just for me, but for the majority who want to do what I do?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Because that's how EVERYthing works....
it only takes a minority of people to ruin it for everybody. In anything. Whether it’s the bleachers or the airport or a concert or the library or anywhere….
I just don’t know if anyone has the authority to demand courtesy from the selfish minority…and if they did whether the mechanisms put in place to assure this would have any traction.
…..get off my lawn!!!
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
nobody is demanding courtesy from the selfhish minority...
you’re missing the point of the entire debate.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
That's entirely possible
so what am I missing?
I’m reading this as other people need to change their actions and the cubs need to make them change because I’m not happy with it and it’s ruining my experience.
what have I gotten wrong. Seriously.
and btw, that “get off my lawn” was about ME being so cynical and complaining about people, not the argument.
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
what most of us want...
it for the Cubs to increase security to both discourage this behavior and be able to respond quicker to it when it happens. I’m not saying “stop selling beer” and I don’t expect to eradicate all drunken fools from fighting or being dicks. That’s going to happen, but there are ways to MINIMIZE the occurrences.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
We completely agree.
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Would you like to join our Fraternity?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a longtime member
/chugsOldStylepukesongirlinfrontlaughs
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Damn you SWL with the rational point.
That’s not your job around here you know.
Add having security/policy monitor the entry gates to keep the early sloppy from entering and ti looks like a perfect solution to me.
may addition by subtraction be real
You're not missing anything, the...
other people need to change their actions
…can be achieved by getting cuffed and stuffed by the fuzz. My cuz called ’em that even when he was one.
Spend a night in the slam, get slapped with a $500 fine and a mandatory court appearance. Throw in a TV news coverage item or 2 and BAM! 90% drop by seasons’ end.
Done, end of story; we’re all having fun again…!
Just win the next game...!
The only individuals at Wrigley Field who have the right to ruin your experience
are the players on the field.
For that matter, they are ruining my experience too and I haven’t been to Wrigley yet!
by JFCubFan on May 13, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
Well that makes entirely too much sense, I like it.
MAKE IT GREEN!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
lol. sad, but true!
And we pay them well to do just that!
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
So the inmates run the asylum? (bleachers)
Perfect logic, I guess. Let the drunken wing-nuts win.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 13, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't care so much that people are overserved.
Just don’t be an a**hole, vomit and only unzip your wing-nuts over a Wrigley approved trough.
may addition by subtraction be real
Just because it's happened before doesn't make it acceptable
The simple and sad truth is there’s far too many people that cannot and do not want to properly handle their alcohol intake.
Just win the next game...!
So a better question is
Whay havent the Cubs done anythign about it?
"The doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
Dizzy Dean
That's part of it.
And they have to decide whether profits trump the image they’re getting, and the possibility of having some serious problems, because those are going to happen if they don’t change it.
It needs to be changed. It’s a freaking zoo.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Al, any chance the frequency increases with
bad baseball?
Theory – Bad baseball lowers the cost of second market tickets. Paying far less for a ducat than during division leading period would seem to free up more dough for overpriced drinks or allow people to go who could’nt otherwise afford it.
may addition by subtraction be real
I think you have a point here.
There’s no doubt that when the Cubs are doing well, this kind of thing does happen less often.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I don't like to drink anything at the game, water included,
because I don’t like to miss any baseball. Beer only increases the need to wait in line and if I wanted to listen to Pat and Ron, I can do that anywhere for free.
The level of insanity and “might as well have another beer” mentality certainly seems to uptick when the seasons start to appear lost.
may addition by subtraction be real
Something about that
“Bud Light Bleachers” makes me think that could be important income.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 13, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, that's what I make!
less than $1 million a year…
a LOT less…
a LOT, LOT less…
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
Well, considering the recent ownership change...
I’d give the organization a couple weeks to respond to the recent incidents before I simply say they don’t care.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm hoping that the new ownership....
… which has made several strong statements about wanting a family-friendly ballpark, would come down on the side of cracking down hard on this idiot behavior. Maybe it’ll take some time, but it needs to happen.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I wish there was a game tonight I could complain about.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Instead you'll just have watch the Super Sexy CPR video over and over and over.....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I am just putting this here to get help this thread get 1000 comments
"The doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
Dizzy Dean
I have a feeling it would have gotten there on its own.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
There, that's solved
What’s next in the IN box?
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Don't we get a Pre-Pre Game Thread?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Ugh...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Cue theme song: "This is it..."

"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
meh, things seem to be going downhill on this site
I’ve been anticipating the Pre-Pre-Pre Game thread for an hour..
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
Consider this the game recrap thread
since most of it was talking about the same old crap that’s been happening for quite awhile. And no, I’m not talking about the on-the-field – that would be too easy…
Oh, and I believe this is #993. Now I’m sure if I had used the f-word*, that would easily generate enough responses to break 1,000.
* the one that ends in “t” not “k”… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Old is in the eyes of the behOLDer...
Just ask Jack Crabb-

"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
+500 BCB Points
On the short list of my all-time favorite movies.
Sittin' on the ledge and sippin' Kool-Aid...
There's a game going on?
whatever. I’ll just have another Mai Tai…
mmmmm…..BobChin….godamongstmen……..
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Only a few more and we reach 1,000.
United we stand and united we'll fall......down on our knees the day we win it all!
We'll never make it.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm telling you...it's not going to happen.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on May 13, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
it
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on May 13, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
will
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on May 13, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
happen
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on May 13, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I doubt it.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 13, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
It's Gonna Happen

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by Gibbon Jockey on May 13, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
"Push her down, son"
-Homer Simpson
"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella
Allanis Morrisette doppelganger?
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
I wonder if SHE understands the definition of "irony"
"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella
Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes...
"Until we solve our bullpen problems and figure out how to score runs consistently, it's going to be a struggle. I'm just being honest. What are we going to do? Some of these kids are just going to have to get better. We thought (the bullpen) would be better than this. Boy, it gets out of hand in a hurry."
- Lou Pinella, May 8, 2010
I'm travelling back to the US and Wrigley in September for the
STL series. I am gonna sit in the bleachers this time (sat behind the dugout the previous times). Peverseley I want to see the mayhem unfold!
"I think I'm going to a casino in Indiana and play snake eyes. I don't know what else to say, I'll be honest with you."
Join in the discussion of the worst manager!
http://www.brewcrewball.com/2010/5/13/1471124/hes-baaaack-ned-yost-new-manager#37478122
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I just saw that piece of news
Trey Hillman has to be ecstatic about getting out of KC. He’ll get picked back up again pretty quickly.
Ned Yost? I guess they figure they can’t get any worse, so why try to get better.
"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella
I don't think Clint would ask more than once
before he pulls the trigger!
"I think I'm going to a casino in Indiana and play snake eyes. I don't know what else to say, I'll be honest with you."
It is surprising that the Chicago PD isn't more present at Cubs games
I am a Reds fan, and there are uniformed Cincinnati Police Officers in the dugouts, in the bullpens, and walking around the concourses of Great American Ballpark. Plus their are uniformed members of the Hamilton County Sheriff’s department right outside the ballpark doing crowd control in the “official Reds Parking”.
You’d think with the increased crowds and drinking that occurs in Wrigley there would be some sorta police presence, they don’t even have to be intrusive, just walking around the ballpark.
I’ve been to Wrigley a few times, and I am amazed at how few people are there to watch the game. I was sitting next to two young women last week, and they were actually in their seats for a total of 3 innings, and they also did not know who Soriano was…
With that in mind does it bother you that people go to games with no interest in baseball, but they inflate the cost of your tickets?
I hate Dusty Baker so goddamn much.
Yes.
Thanks for the info regarding Cincinnati. There’s really no reason that uniformed CPD shouldn’t be in the ballpark — except probably under Tribune, the Cubs wouldn’t pay for it.
It’s necessary. If it costs the Cubs money, it’s well worth it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
There are ALWAYS officers all over Wrigley
At the request of Tribune company, they never wore uniforms.
I agree with everything you wrote...
except for the point about eliminating the extra beer vendors. While I like the other suggestions regarding making it harder for people to get drunk, eliminating the extra vendors is not the solution. The lines for the beer stands and the (good) hot dog stands in the bleachers are already long enough. Eliminate the extra vendors and you double or triple those lines easily. That means those of us that want to have a beer and a (or three) hot dogs, would be missing more of the game that we want to see. In addition, longer lines would cause more congestion in the concourse making transit more difficult and increasing the likelihood of spills, collisions, what have you. Further, long lines would encourage people to buy more beer at one time and possibly hasten the intoxication of those who are attempting to get drunk.
The Rivalry, Esq. - Judging the Big 10 since 2008
Further, long lines would encourage people to buy more beer at one time
Can’t do that. You’re limited to two per person. In fact, before the extra vendors were stationed in the bleachers, this was less of a problem.
Cutting down on the number of beers people drink would be helpful.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
But that assumes that people won't just
All go to get a beer (or send lots of people to get beers) and bring them back…..
The Rivalry, Esq. - Judging the Big 10 since 2008
OT: habs beat caps and pens and celtics beat the cavs
ESPN implosion in 5…4…3…2…1
I love Marian Hossa and Patrick Kane in totally manly ways. Kinda.
Self-Proclaimed President of the Castro Boobird Face Kicking Club
So ESPN will now have a LeBron watch
to rival the Favre watch from a few years back?
"I think I'm going to a casino in Indiana and play snake eyes. I don't know what else to say, I'll be honest with you."
He's not unretiring
But the competition for his services will be covered extensively, I’m sure.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Yeah, that's what I mean
where LeBron’s going or not going will be all you’ll hear about on ESPN.
"I think I'm going to a casino in Indiana and play snake eyes. I don't know what else to say, I'll be honest with you."
There is so much to this discussion
My only trip to Wrigley so far this year was a day game in April against the Brewers. I get to a seat in the bleachers by 12:30 and the guy next to me quickly boasts of how drunk he is. A guy down the row boasts he is even more drunk. This of course leads to a day of sloppy behavior, challenges to fights, and non-stop swearing. I was in row ten, on the aisle. Within easy ear/eyeshot of the usher. He was overwhelmed. I love the vantage of a bleacher seat, but, I just don’t want to sit there anymore.
Kinda scared of sitting in the bleachers now
I have sat in the bleachers before, most recently a couple of years ago for a cubs/reds game and it wasn’t too bad but now it sounds like a madhouse. i have tickets for the 6/15 game and now kinda scared of going because I’m bringing my girlfriend with me and I don’t want her to have a bad impression of the team or the fans who are there to enjoy the game (just introduced her to baseball and the cubs). are there any specific areas to avoid or is it a problem that is all over the bleachers?
by el diablo blanco on May 13, 2010 10:52 PM CDT reply actions
Stay away from the lower parts of any of them
The majority of the issues you’re reading about here are worst-case scenarios. I have sat in the bleachers plenty of times, and have yet to see any of the behavior described here. But in general, the drunkards congregate near the baskets. The higher up you sit, the easier it is to avoid the loutish behavior. More room to stretch out in, too.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
You were just in the bleachers.
Does Al’s group usually stay away from those kinds of things?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 13, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Definitely
It’s a fun group – discussions of all things baseball, and especially Cub baseball. The first day, I had a family sitting directly below me, and the second day was a small group of 30-somethings who seemed a little drunk, but left by the 7th. No BS at all.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
For everyone scared of sitting in the bleachers...
Please send your tickets to me, I’m not afraid of a baseball game.
CUBS WIN CUBS WIN CUBS WIN
by GarlicFryCubFan on May 13, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the advice
Also, I can’t imagine that this frat party atmosphere that seems to have invaded the bleachers is helping other people’s impressions of cubs fans. Plenty of people who I know don’t like the Cubs think we are drunken idiots and think people only go to Wrigley to get drunk and not watch the game.
by el diablo blanco on May 13, 2010 11:21 PM CDT reply actions
You lost at me at "stop fans from standing"
We’re talking about a sporting event, right?
One of my favorite Wrigley experiences was Opening Day last year. It was freezing and drizzling, and most of the right field bleachers stood happily the entire time. The security guys tried to make people sit, and everyone pretty much refused, and then they finally gave up. It was a wonderful experience. We drank, and got drunk, and yelled inappropriate (but not overly so) things at Milton Bradley, and high-fived strangers and had a fantastic time in the freezing cold.
This is what the bleachers are for and have ALWAYS been for… They are crappy seats in which you get rowdy and interact with your fellow fans.
Love ya Al, but there are plenty of grown up seats if you don’t like it. Having season tickets in the bleachers is splendidly stupid if you’re there to watch the games like you do. The bleachers were like this before you, will be like this after you, and the important thing is that you don’t ruin it for everyone. I wouldn’t want to sit there every game, but I love knowing that they never change.
$0.02
You're 100% wrong.
The bleachers were NOT like this “before me”. For many years they were filled with knowledgeable fans who were into the game. About standing, sure, you can stand — at appropriate times. I’m talking about people standing up NOT EVEN FACING THE FIELD, just yakking their heads off about unrelated things, BLOCKING VIEWS OF THE FIELD. Exactly how is that right?
Further, your statement that “the important thing is that you don’t ruin it for everyone”. Exactly my point.
The bleachers HAVE changed. You haven’t been there long enough to know.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
There are jackasses in the bleachers
For sure.
As there were in 1985. Tons of ’em.
And I come to watch the game, that’s why I don’t sit in the bleachers very often. But if it’s really about sitting on every pitch, why wouldn’t you watch at home or from a seat less than 500 yards from the plate? You have a 20x better view of the game.
Cooliogirl’s suggestion is also good, you can watch from a bar for free and have a much better understanding of the action on the field than anyone in the bleachers, no matter which way they are facing…
I’m taking the extreme of the argument, obviously – the reasonable human in me agrees that anyone fighting, harassing other people, or yelling profanity should be tossed.
...and Ryan D this is the perfect example of bad behavior and you dont even have a clue you are doing it.
Why would you say inappropriate things to Bradley on Opening Day? Why do you feel the need to get to the point of being drunk at a baseball game? Why do you think the bleachers are not for watching baseball? EVERY seat in Wrigley is there to watch a baseball game! Wouldnt you have a better time at a bar….this way you can get drunk, not watch the game, stand, sit, fall, yell, and not be in the freezing cold. Also, you wouldn’t be interrupting the majority of real baseball fans who want to see the game with your inappropriate behavior.
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on May 14, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I got drunk because it was 36 degrees and raining
And it was a delightful time.
But that's not good business
The Cubs organization does not want the Bleachers image to be one of over-drinking and fighting. The Cubs do not want fans spilling beers on players. None of this reflects well on the Cubs as an organization and I doubt they will allow the bleachers to change to some designated drunkenness area.
If you’re the Cubs, you don’t hire fan ambassadors and have them walk around Wrigley Field, and then have an out-of-control bleacher area. Those two concepts do not move forward together.
One of my favorite Chicago moments: My wife and I walked out of Joe’s Bar on Weed street bar after a company party. The bouncer was kicking some other people out who had gotten out of control. The bouncer yelled “Who people come in from the suburbs and you act like savages!” We laughed at the time, but the thought stuck with us.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on May 14, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
My bad
that should read The bouncer yelled "You people come in from the suburbs and you act like savages!"
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on May 14, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs charge $50 bucks for bad outfield seats and sell out
ONLY because of the historical legacy of the bleachers as a “party”. No other park charges anywhere near this much.
I’m sorry, what’s good business again?
The bleacher ticket price is irrelevant
Yes, the ticket price is high because the bleachers are very popular. And you can drink and have a good time in the bleachers. But the Cubs should not let the bleachers get out of control. Good business is to not cut off your nose to spite your face.
Al won’t ruin the bleachers for everyone else. He doesn’t drink when he attends games. Although I am sure he has been tempted on this homestand.
But there are people who will get too drunk and take things too far. Then there will be a fight and someone will get seriously injured. Probably someone not in the fight. They will get pushed, fall down the stairs and then their will be a lawsuit. then the crackdown will ensue, on advice of counsel.
So it will be a too drunk party guy that ruins the bleachers for you. Not Al.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on May 15, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I've never really wanted to sit in the bleachers before if I ever get to Wrigley,
and if I had any doubts remaining about it, I sure don’t now.
To the people worried that everyone wants to spoil the party; look, I really don’t think anyone’s trying to turn the bleachers into Prohibition here, or a church service. There are lines of behavior that you just don’t cross, and puking on yourself, peeing in public, fighting in public—I’d say those are on the other side of the line, wouldn’t you? For you folks saying “don’t like it, don’t sit there” or “is anyone really getting offended?”, well, sorry but: 1. some people may have no alternate to the bleachers as seating (I’m assuming that they are the cheapest seats available, as in most other parks) and 2. a rather large swath of American society, from a very diverse background, holds a worldview that causes them to get offended at things like what ballhawk described, so you can’t relativize the morality of the situation that easily.
Anyway, the behavior of the bad bleacher fans is part of the whole reason we’re mocked by other fans, which I am sick to death of hearing, so that’s a big reason I want bleacher culture at Wrigley to get under control by the organization.
by owllover711 on May 14, 2010 4:30 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
It's very simple, really.
If you would not like your grandmother seeing you act a certain way, then don’t.
And if you’re going to slag any offered ideas on calming things down., let’s hear your better ones.
I don't see why the franchise cannot have seat numbers on the tickets for bleachers.
This way if you have 20 of these buddies who want to sit together that arrive at the same time, then they can’t, well unless they buy a ticket together. This is impossible for larger groups. Statistically people in these larger groups are the ones who stir up trouble. One talks trash to a guy in a separate group, then they both start yelling, then you have a fight. Take this away from them and let them sit alone or by 1 or 2 of their buddies if they get that ticket number together. Not forgetting about yourself Al, but people like you who are season ticket holders can choose whereever they want to sit, but those who are non season ticket holders must sit in their assigned seats. You have that everywhere else in the stadium, why not in the outfield bleachers?
The bleachers at Fenway in the 80s make Wrigley look like a tea party
Honestly, you people! Glass half full!
yeah dude...
one of the best times i had at a game was phillies mets in philadelphia… everyone got in a fight, it was crazy, but as a fan of people being people, i had fun. if people are urinating on each other, or “missing their cups,” something must be done about that. but, this is a lousy team, we’re probably gonna lost 90 this year…. why not get drunk and punch someone in the party deck?
lose
not that stupid show about the island and the smoke

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