Why rebuilding wouldn't be the worst thing...
Ok, I admit it. I've seen the way this team has performed all season and being the Cub fan that I am -- I simply don't even want to think about the word rebuild. If you've been a Cub fan for 15 years+, you have seen enough rebuilding for a lifetime. Hell, this franchise has been rebuilding for damn 102 years and counting. In this post, my goal is to give my opinion on why I think this team isn't a championship caliber team and why the next rebuilding stage may bring us the thing we all crave and want... a World Series Championship.
First of all, I'm not giving up on the season, and as a dedicated fan of these Cubs - I will not give up true hope until this team is mathematically eliminated. I love this team too much to give up on them, and I hope they can turn it around sooner much rather than later.
However, this team is just not good enough, in my opinion. This team is not the worst team we've had by any means. It is a flawed team, however. First of all, we don't have a guy that is the clear best player of the team. Not to say that will make or break a world championship team, usually though, you have a player that you would like to build around -- in a ideal world. If you go up to 10 random Cub fans and asked them who is the best player on the Cubs, you would possibly get 6 different answers. Sometimes it can be a good thing, but in our case it's not. We have alot of average-to-above average guys on our team and no one exceptional at it. We have Derrek Lee and Aramis Ramirez, but really those guys are compliments more-so than a MVP caliber player. All-in-all we have 2 Scottie Pippen's.
If we do decide to rebuild, I obviously think we would have to keep all eyes on the Albert Pujols situation in St. Louis, and Adrian Gonzalez in San Diego. You have to throw as much money as possible on one of them. Both players would give us a 3-hole hitter for the next 5 years plus, and a player to build around. We all think Starlin Castro has all the tools to be a All-Star caliber player. I believe that too, and I think he can be a good second-tier player to have to also build around. Hopefully, Josh Vitters and Brett Jackson turn into the players we think they can be also.
A lineup like this is what I'm talking about: Jackson, B - Castro - Gonzalez, A - Soto - Colvin/FA signing/trade - Soriano - Vitters/FA signing/trade - Theriot/Flaherty/FA signing/trade
Our rotation is something I think needs to be adjusted for the next couple of years. The Carlos Zambrano situation didn't make sense at first, and it certainly doesn't make much sense now. Zambrano isn't a power pitcher -- he doesn't hit 96-97 anymore -- even in the bullpen. One would think, Ted Lilly will have his final year as a Cub this year and we all hope Carlos Silva won't regress as the season continues. Ryan Dempster has been a rock in the rotation since he was inserted back in 2008, but should we hold on to him though out everything, if we decide to rebuild? If Andrew Cashner can continue to pitch like he has in the minors, he could potentially be our #2 guy for years to come. If the Cubs come back to their senses, Jay Jackson can be a solid #3/4 starter for years to come also. Carlos Marmol looks like he can be the closer for the next couple of years, and Sean Marshall continues to do well at whatever the Cubs throw at him.
Signing/trading a couple of pitchers, maybe one in the rotation and two in the bullpen would be the only thing should be needed to solidify the pitching staff come 2011.
So basically it could look like this: Zambrano, Cashner, Dempster, Jackson, Marshall/FA signing
In conclusion, while we all hope this team could turn it around - rebuilding this time shouldn't really the same rebuilding that we've experienced before. This team isn't that far away from a championship caliber team, especially if the right moves are made.. Hopefully this ownership means what it says about dedicating it's self to winning first.
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Why would Pujols or Gonzalez jump into a rebuilding situation?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Because the Cubs should/would be willing
to get parts to make this team a championship caliber team. Rebuilding doesn’t mean losing 100 games a year. We still can fight around .500 and still be considered ‘rebuilding’.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
Unbridled optimism at work
Unless the Cubs offer a lot more money than any other team, there is little chance either guy will want to come into a rebuilding situation.
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by lookingdeadred on May 16, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay, why would they want to be part of a .500 team?
Face it, we’re on the long road down to the bottom. Hendry spent like a divorcee on vacation and most of his investments are coming up woefully short, none of whom we can freely trade, mind you.
So we’re stuck and we better hope Castro, Cashner et al, pan out, b/c we dont know what kind of owner Ricketts will be and simply throwing cash at the problem doesnt really work long term, as we’re seeing now.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Pujols Won't Come to Chicago
I think there’s a 90% chance Pujols will stay in St. Louis. I’ll leave the other 10% out there for the Yankees and Red Sox. The Cubs have too many bad contracts on the books to pony up for Pujols.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Yeah, okay.
So you think Pujols is going to DH? The Red Sox? That’s a more likely destination.
The Cubs have contracts that are about to expire. Ted Lilly, Derrek Lee, and Kosuke Fukudome would be off the books by then. And Ryan Dempster and Aramis Ramirez would be gone after 2012.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
Going to the AL and DHing could be a very smart move for Pujols
It could definitely prolong his career and give him a better shot at the HR record.
Brad Miller is god.
Scottie Pippen...
Is one of the 50 greatest NBA players of all time… just saying. Other than that, I agree with most of this.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on May 15, 2010 11:30 PM CDT reply actions
Okay, maybe that was a bad analogy.
But I think you get my point.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
Pippen Was Good, But...
he was helped tremendously by Michael Jordan. I don’t think Pippen was one of the 50 greatest NBA players of the 20th century. Pippen as a Hall of Famer? Sure, but not one of the 50 best.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
And vice versa...
How many titles did Jordan win without Pippen? I’ll take these guys’ word for it.
http://www.nba.com/history/players/50greatest.html
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on May 16, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Bill Walton?
That was an absolutely ludicrious choice. Okay, I know about his injury problems. You can’t put somebody who had so few good seasons in the NBA in the top 50. I disagree with Pippen with one of the top 50, but I don’t think it’s an absolutely ludicrious choice. Walton didn’t deserve to be on that list. He was one of the best ever college players but not one of the best ever in the NBA. I can cut him only so much slack for all of his injuries.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Let's rebuild this shiz...

"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
I wonder how long it will take to put a great team on the field
Hopefully not too long.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
A century and counting.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
I seriously doubt Ricketts is going to pony up for a shiny new expensive first baseman
When, we’re already trying to fix our bad contract situations.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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its 2 years away
and most of the bad contracts will be erased by then, it’s very realistic
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by DartmouthCubsFan on May 17, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Randy Wells?
He will be here next year… unless we can get some good trade value out of him…
I'm down for a rebuild.
I’m even down for a fire sale of contracts like Lee, Lilly, Ramirez if someone offers something nice, and Kosuke…they’re all good players who could help a team in need…the Red Sox could fit with Lee, everyone wants an experienced lefty like Lilly, and Kosuke might entice someone because he’s still got upside.
I like the upside of alot of our prospects and the direction the farm system is taking…might as well get more….I don’t mean this to sound too optimistic or anything.
Actually
I do not think this team has ever rebuild itself. My impression of rebuilding a baseball team is using home grown talent and not filtering in free agents.
The issue with the current team is the contracts they have. After this year you can be rid of Lee’s & Lilly’s contracts. Outside of them, you still have Fukodome for another year as well as Ramirez and Soriano for awhile.
The only way you can have a true rebuilding venture is if you can rid yourselves of bloated contracts sooner than later.
Go Cubs!
by wild bill on May 17, 2010 2:52 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You are assuming that
we’d get a great return on those guys you’re selling off.
Look at the Pirates since Huntington took over. He’s traded virtually every player they had making over a mil or so: http://www.buccofans.com/2009/02/neal-huntington-trade-history.html, and of all the myriad prospects taken back, only 2 http://www.buccofans.com/2009/02/neal-huntington-trade-history.html are in their top 10 prospects.
Trading established players for prospects isn’t a science, and Hendry hasn’t had great success there. That’s one reason I think Hendry should be let go in season. Let the new GM have his/her choice of prospects if the Cubs are going to sell off guys with expiring contracts.
DEJESUS!!!
Exactly. I'd like to see them sacrifice a couple years now
to rebuild the farm system. Actually, “rebuild” would imply that it was good at one time but has been depleted. I’ll just go with “build”. That means they need to clean house throughout the management, and get someone in who is half-way competent at scouting and developing talent. Trade off any of the older players if a decent return can be had for them, let the young players develop, and in a couple years, we’ll have most of the bad money off of the books. When you’ve got a solid, young core of players, that’s when you look to supplement through free agency.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
Hmmm. Soto, Castro, Colvin, Cashner ...
Sounds like the formation of a core right there. And guess what? They’re already in the system.
A team in this size of a market never should have to “rebuild.”
by Not Bruce Froemming on May 18, 2010 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions
No, we shouldn't have to,
if we had a minor league system that consistently brought up solid starters.
"The time has come to get deeply into Football. It is the only thing we have left that ain't fixed." - HST
concept of rebuilding needs to be changed
most view it as a firesale, complete strip-down of all assets and win 70 games for a couple years
that’s not necessary, the Cubs can just let high priced contracts expire (possibly picking up compensatory picks in the process), let their developing young core come to the big leagues and get experience and then supplement them with tactical FA targets
Are we going to be world series contenders in 2010 or 2011, unlikely. But by 2012 this team should’ve cleared enough contract space and have enough young talent coming up through the system that we should be poised to make another run, this time with a much longer and more flexible window thanks to young up-the-middle talent becoming focus of development
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by DartmouthCubsFan on May 18, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good points
The strip-down, fire sale model goes with clubs with $70M payrolls. Ricketts didn’t approve an increase for 2010, but didn’t show any interest in chopping the payroll below $140M. That creates a lot more options – if the Cubs can move or burn off some of the current contracts. It was the existing salary base that led to the lack of any real activity in the last offseason.
Right now, I think they should be looking to move Fukudome, especially if they can generate $8M/year (prorated in 2009) in salary relief. That lets Colvin play, which could improve the 2010 team (more power from a corner outfield spot) and will clarify whether Colvin is part of the solution for 2011 and beyond. It also expedites the process of clearing salary room for being active in the 2010-2011 offseason. If Lou doesn’t like it, let him resign in protest.

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