Cubs Win Fourth Straight -- What Was That About The "Dominant" Phillies Again?
I keep saying this and no one believes me, but I'm going to say it again.
There are no dominant teams in the 2010 National League. In fact, the NL is pretty much a mess. The Cardinals, who many here said were going to "run away" with the NL Central, have lost six of their last nine -- three of those to the Astros, who have the worst record in the league.
And the Cubs, in Philadelphia to play the supposedly dominant Phillies, who came into last night's game with the best record in the NL, looked like the dominant ones in defeating the Phillies 4-1, playing perhaps their most solid game all season.
Jamie Moyer, within five home runs allowed of breaking the career record for such things, didn't give up any to the Cubs last night. Didn't matter, as the Cubs offense did a nice job of manufacturing four runs off only six hits (five singles and a double) and three walks. The key hit of the game was Xavier Nady's two-run, pinch-hit single in the eighth inning that gave the Cubs a little breathing room after they were clinging to a 1-0, then 2-0 lead early.
Tom Gorzelanny threw an outstanding game and had to leave only due the line drive by Carlos Ruiz off his pitching hand. Props to Gorz for having the presence of mind to finish the play by throwing Ruiz out -- nice snag by Derrek Lee, too.
Four in a row and five out of seven. That's a nice little run. Keep it going today.
The other topic on everyone's mind this morning, I suppose, is the news -- first reported on last night's pregame show, and then on CSN Chicago's website, that the Cubs were about to sign Bob Howry, who was recently released by the Diamondbacks.
Some have claimed this is all a Lou Piniella move, others say it's on Jim Hendry, still a third group says it's both. One of the keys to this move, presuming it's made official (the original rumor said he'd join the team in Texas tomorrow), is in that link:
"If it happens, it would give us some experience in our bullpen from the right side," manager Lou Piniella said after Wednesday's 4-1 win over the Philadelphia Phillies. "I’m not saying anything’s going to happen. I’m saying when we had him before he was a rock in the clubhouse. He was great with the younger pitchers."
From what I understand and have heard, what Lou said is correct. Howry was a clubhouse leader for the 2007 and 2008 teams that made the postseason. In his three years as a Cub, he had two good seasons and one really bad one -- 2008, the year he helped make the Wrigley ballhawks happy by allowing 13 home runs. He signed with the Giants last year and had another pretty good season, a year quite comparable to his 2006 and 2007 seasons with the Cubs, or the years he had in 2004 and 2005 with the Indians.
There is no sugarcoating this: Howry has been awful this year with the Diamondbacks, and his release came after two particularly bad outings in which he allowed a combined seven earned runs in 1.2 innings, with three walks and no strikeouts. Yes, that's bad. Really, REALLY bad.
There have been reports that Howry's velocity has been down this year and if that's true, if he can get back to the velocity he had last year, this might be a useful signing. The difference between this signing and signing someone like Kiko Calero or Juan Cruz is that there were clearly injury issues with both of those players. Howry is, presumably, healthy.
I'm not going to say there's no downside to this signing, because clearly, there is if he keeps pitching like that. And I have been an advocate of giving the guys at Iowa a chance (though not specifically Jeff Stevens, who appears to be a guy who can dominate Triple-A but not be very effective in the major leagues).
Let's see how this plays out. It could be a Jim Edmonds type of signing. Or it could be a Ryan Freel type of signing, in which case he can be released again.
The Cubs leave Philadelphia quickly -- today's afternoon game makes two games there in less than 24 hours, and then a departure for their first interleague series. The pregame thread will post at 10:30 am CDT.
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I was at the Ratt concert in Denver last night...
and walked over to a guy wearing a Cubs hat after the show. We immediately looked up the final score and shared a high five after learning of the 4-1 victory. Let’s win again today!
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
I'm not sure what's stranger...
That someone wore a Cubs hat to a Ratt concert… or that Ratt still HAS concerts…
What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
by lswaidz on May 20, 2010 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's definitely
that Ratt is still in business. Where in Denver? I live in Littleton!
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
Waaaaaaaaay O/T
My sister is obsessed with videotaping rock concerts on her camera and she got some great video from the Ratt show. If that sort of thing interests you…….LINKY.
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
Nothing broken
No idea about playing time, though
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I'm just gonna say this once
There has been no official word from the Cubs that Howry has been signed. There is most likely some interest there – the rumor mill was mad last night, but thus far, the only source reporting that he has been signed is the CSN link. Nothing official has been released yet.
And I’m gonna hold on to the hope that it never becomes official like a drowning man clinging to a passing piece of driftwood, too.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I believe
MLB.com was reporting it as well…going to look for it
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I saw nothing last night on any place besides twitter and CSN.
Still not a peep. It may be a fantasy clutch, but I’m with ya.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm gonna go out on a limb (of driftwood)
and say I liked Howry. Well, before he became HR Howry that is. I liked his steely emotionless demeanor.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
He was good in 2006 and 2007
2008? Not so much…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Horrible in 2008. Horrible whenever I've seen him on another team. Horrible numbers.
Do not want him at all again ever. I can’t find a single mention of it on the official site. Yes they may be waiting to get details…but I’m still hoping it won’t get done.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
very pleased
with the cubs play.with the central leaders struggling theres no reason this team cant contend.i will wait till 500.ball comes before i get to excited.the next 2 weeks get very tough.as for howry maybe rothchild can help him.with silva 5-0 im starting to wonder if theres a reason larry has lasted through 3 managers.lets go cubs i dont want to sit through another no fun crappy season like 09
+1
for some of the talk around here that Rothschild blows I think he is a fantastic pitching coach…there is a reason the Cubs have had one of the better rotations for most of the last decade
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Name one instance...
Just one instance where a Cubs pitcher has said Larry has helped him get better at anything. I’ve been searching forever and found absolutely squat. Talent and money is the reason why the Cubs have had one of the better rotations for most of the last decade… but think of how much better it would be if we hadn’t lost Prior and Wood for most of it.
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by jameslcrockett on May 20, 2010 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions
There's a good example.
I suspect Ryan Dempster would credit Larry, too.
Rothschild gets blame when the staff is bad, but never credit when they’re good. That really isn’t fair.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Larry Rothschild didn't tell Pinella to wear out Prior and Wood. Just sayin.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I mean Baker.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
This is a 3rd party comment
but it took about 2 seconds to find. See the Silva comment.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/MLB-webb-surgery-leaves-dbacks-short-on-the-mound-032610
I know I have seen other comments regarding Silva and Rothschild.
...and it's telling
that’s the best you got. A friend of a friend in a column before he threw on a major-league mound.
He also said Silva or Gorz would be dropped when Lilly returned, threw out a couple of names of pitchers the Cubs might acquire, fired off tons of unattributed sources and made typos galore (and that’s just glancing at it).
Rosenthal is one of the sloppiest journalists out there. Next?
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by jameslcrockett on May 20, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
How about
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
oh god
Carrie Muskat is a hack, washed up and just plain sloppy…NEXT!
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Maybe true but,
she essentially quotes Silva directly crediting Rothschild for the turnaround.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
as well as
the Twins pitching coach AND a mental counselor. If that was Rothschild’s idea to go to them and that’s really why Silva’s had a good couple months, I’ll give him all the credit in the world.
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by jameslcrockett on May 20, 2010 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions
ok either way
Rothschild has turned around Silva and made the Bradley acquisition slightly less worthless.
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It's funny you said name one instance.
One was named as listed by more than one writer, and then you say it’s telling that that is the best he could find. Don’t interrupt you with the facts, you have an opinion, dammit!
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"You ain't a beauty, but hey you're alright. And that's alright with me" - The Boss
LOL
Yes, a little backing away from “name one instance”, isn’t it?
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
I was being
sarcastic
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Sarcastic?
I didn’t think so – your comment was on point. SHE IS a “hack, washed up (and out) and just plain sloppy”. Yeeech!!!!
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
pretty sure
that we were all thinking that it was going to be Silva or Gorz that was going to be dropped…not Z…his sources are someone close to Silva, team officials, and a scout – sounds like a fairly standard sports journalism report…
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I am not saying
that Rothschild is a pitching coach god amongst mere mortals…just that he is MUCH better than alot of people give him credit for…going into the season the bullpen was THE weakness of this team and it is starting to get better…not great just not as bad.
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as well as
the Twins pitching coach AND a mental counselor. IF that was Rothschild’s idea to go to them, I’ll give him all the credit in the world.
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by jameslcrockett on May 20, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Reply error
disregard
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by jameslcrockett on May 20, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought you said he was fantastic.
Now, he’s not great, just not as bad… hell, i’ll give you that. I think there are far bigger problems than anything he’s done. I still blame him every bit for getting very little out of all the money they’ve spent on pitching and want him gone and some new ideas brought in.
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by jameslcrockett on May 20, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Who
would you suggest bring in the new ideas. Ok Big Talker, if you feel Rothschild needs to go then who is the replacement???
And don’t say Greg Maddux – I would like your solution to be based on reality not fantasy.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
Big talker lol...thanks for the lesson here on what's reality.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
C'mon man
All of these "fire [insert coach/manager name here] posts are getting old. If a person is going to suggest something that is a little far-fetched than at least give us something else to chew on… Am I right or am I wrong on this?
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
I agree. Lou and larry have done a great job keeping this team together.
Jim Hendry as well. They should be applauded! CLAP CLAP CLAP!
Lou has this team on a roll and is pulling all the right strings right now. A master at work!!!!
Oh boy
Then nevermind – I’m wrong I’ll admit it.
FIRE EM ALL!!!
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
You need a more positive outlook on the Cubs my friend!
Lou is going to lead us to the series!
JH with masterstrokes like signing Howry, will make the big moves at the deadline to secure victory!
Have faith!
Hey not me THEM!!!
Don’t try to pin this on me! Its Jamie Crockett up there suggesting firing people. Howry will be our savior!!!
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
This becomes less funny when the team is actually doing well.
Do you have a plan for that?
WE NEED A MASTER PLAN!
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by AndrewJStone on May 20, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
You're right about that.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Have you lived up...
To your promise of being on Byrd’s ass all year?
by JSB on May 20, 2010 9:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
No way, was he the guy?
Well forget that, he’s gonna be on Rothschild’s ass all year!!
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Seems like an odd way to word it.
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by AndrewJStone on May 20, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I believe
we brought that up at the time.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on May 20, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
As I said
that took me 2 seconds. Why should I waste my time when your mind is already made up.
Find me something that hows he is awful. Are you giving him any credit for Dempster or Wells. Probably not because it doesn’t fit your view of the world.
Personally, I don’t think he is the best but he is not the worst thing ever as some (you included) seem to think.
Silva...
directly credits, Lilly has improved with the Cubs, Dempster became a starter, Wood became a closer…absolutely right that money means alot but this guy has done alot of things right as well
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directly credits?
where? He doesn’t say
Lilly has improved? Maybe… but he was good with the Jays, cost the Cubs $11 million per year (which he has earned every bit of), and now gets to throw to the opposing team’s pitcher 3 times per game.
IF he’s done anything right here, it far outweighs how many poor outcomes which have occurred here in his tenure… and how much money the Cubs have spent to give him so much to get wrong.
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by jameslcrockett on May 20, 2010 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions
what has he gotten wrong?
Wood being injury prone and Prior suffering about 654,000,000 freak injuries before that liner off the elbow ended it?
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directly credits
Here Props to gwood for actually finding the link.
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Gorz
is also pitching a lot better than most would have thought.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
Larry's walking around with two World Series rings (Reds and Marlins)
As a pitching coach. You think he’s just lucky?
The back end of our rotation continually rates near the top of the league under him. You think that’s luck too?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
Greg Maddux was talking to Jason Marquis after the 2006 season when he recommended that he go see Larry Rothschild to correct a mechanical flaw. Marquis has been lights-out since joining the Cubs, so perhaps an assist should go to Maddux for getting the two together.
Eamus Ursuli!
WOOT
Go Cubs!!! 5 of 7? That is the team that I thought the cubs could be at the beginning of the season. Now I am guessing my prediction of a 103 win season is probably out the door but I think this continues the discussion of when is it no longer early? 6 behind 15-22 the world is ending, fire lou, have a firesale and hope that we can contend again in 2013…5 days ago to 19-22 4 behind ok, this team is starting to potentially live up to its potential today. Not saying that because of this 4 game winning streak we are now 100% playoff bound but perhaps the team is turning it around. Only time will tell…thats why they play 162 games and GM’s dont give up on May 20th…even if you are the Pirates.
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Core to the Cub fan's spirit...
is hope. It ain’t over till it’s over!
Win.
by RavenswoodRob on May 20, 2010 7:43 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Getting ready to go to the game today
My son and I are playing hooky from work and school to see our Cubs.
Caught in the pragmatic/superstitious bind, wanting to see a win but realistically, conservatively, expecting a split against a wounded but strong Phillies team.
Eff that. Goin for the sweep today baby! (a 2-game baby sweep, baby!)
Go Demp!
Win.
by RavenswoodRob on May 20, 2010 7:39 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
The 8th & 9th were more interesting that I'd have liked...
but all in all that was a great game. Glad to hear Gorz didn’t break anything.
Oh the drama!
The great thing about that drama is that they couldn’t get out of the hole they dug for themselves and we converted those mistakes into insurance runs.
We got out of Marmol’s drama with the win. Heart rate up, but so was the W flag at he end of it all.
Win.
by RavenswoodRob on May 20, 2010 7:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Lost in this game
was the BIG TIME defensive play made by Castro last night. Lost because he made it look routine and easy. With the tying run on second in the 8th, he got to a ball in the hole that Theriot wouldn’t have been within 3 feet of. Then showed off a CANNON arm to throw out the runner at first.
See it here
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
by Archie on May 20, 2010 7:40 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I have
seen plays where Theriot can range to that spot…the throw would have been suspect…
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Ok. Maybe Theriot gets there.
but he’s stretching to get the ball if not diving for it which eliminates his ability to plant and throw. And no way does he have the kind of arm that Castro showcased on that play. That was the most impressive part of it. That ball just JUMPED across the diamond.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
agree
Castro is amazing right now…hopefully he can keep it up and the cubs sign him to a nice 15 year contract next year…I just hate the Theriot wouldnt have gotten to that ball talk the same way I hate it when conservatives say – could you imagine had a republican/conservative would have done it…
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Sorry for the hyperbole
Theriot probably stops that from getting into LF at least.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
So much for no politics
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But Theriot's throw from that spot in that situation
would give Lee some nice practice in fielding pop-ups.
Agreed.
Riot would have gotten there, but there is no way on this planet he makes the kind of laserbeam throw that Castro made. I did a little ‘how awesome was that!?’ kind of chuckle to myself on that one. It reminded me of Shawon, but with accuracy, of course.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Totally agree, Archie.
Play’s like this are why they brought the kid up. No way Theriot makes the play IMO. Theriot gets to it, can’t make the throw and it’s scored a hit. It’s why fielding percentage doesn’t tell the whole story.
The fact that Castro is hitting .350 is icing on the cake.
My favorite part of the play
was hearing Bob Brenley in the background of the call. To himself: “Oh, yes!”
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
That throw was Dunston-esque
Wow! Beautiful play! It has been quite a while since we have had a shortstop with that kind of range and arm,
Shawon would be proud. :)
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by spaceboy2001 on May 20, 2010 7:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Except that Dunston would have thrown the ball into the dugout.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Laughing
True that… :)
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
Derrek Lee gets a lot of credit for keeping Cubs SS from a lot of errors.
Actually, Dunston’s error count went down when Mark Grace started playing 1B. Credit to Grace for being an excellent defensive 1B.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Derrick didn't have to move for the throw last night, though
My grandma could have caught that throw…and she’s 84.
Good point on Grace. He was a very good defensive 1B.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
And good point about Castro...
… that he not only has the range, but is developing an accurate arm.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
lots of debate recently about Hanley v Castro
but this made me laugh…GO HAWK!!!
“I’m not going to say a lot, because if you say the wrong the thing to me, then you (hanley) might wind up on the floor on your rear end,” Dawson said with Tony Perez standing by his side in a coach’s office at Sun Life Stadium.
Thanks for the link!
It is an interesting irony that Castro’s one non-hustle play was both so similar to Ramirez’s play AND that the ball Castro booted was hit by Ramirez.
Hopefully Castro learned a little something of what not to do by this incident.
Eamus Ursuli!
Credit
And please properly credit Dunston for being a pretty good player for a long time. Maybe not No. 1 overall of some, but clearly better than others.
Dunston was a good SS for a long time and played the game the right way….EVERY time.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
Was gonna say that Al. He did throw errors a lot in the beginning, but they seemed to go down
As he went along. Seemed like when the Shawon-o-meter became big his errors went down. That seemed to be a bipolar season…starting out horribly, turning it around.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions
It was in my old .sig here
“I owe [Dunston] a lot. Nobody would know how good I was at digging balls out of the dirt if it wasn’t for him…” -Mark Grace
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Yessir!
I think the 1b would always cringe when he went deep in the hole…you never could be sure if you’d get a lazer for an out or the mascot being plugged.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Again in Dunston's defense...
Many of his throwing errors came when he had no business throwing after getting to balls he had no business getting to.
And no one ever busted his ass from home to first like Shawon.
Alfonso Soriano would like to have a word with you.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Well, Shawon was a Cub for MUCH longer ...
but I see your point.
Oops
didn’t read further down enough to realize you guys already made the same observation I did above about Dunston comparisons. My bad.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
ESPN 2
just showed the highlight and reported that Castro was showing off some Shawon Dunston
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Well
I’m sorry, Castro is only 20….therefore he’s “not ready”.
Fact of the matter is that was clearly the play of the game. Ended the inning with the lead and gave everyone on the field and in the dugout a huge jolt. Watch the reaction of all the players when that play was made. Quite simply, that was a stud making a difference.
Not that I haven’t said it before, this kid can flat play. Has a pretty good idea of the strike zone, generally makes contact, runs and plays hard even with the inexcusable jogging incident several days ago, and it s difference maker at SS. He has improved this club since the day he arrived and will only get better.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
OK, so I was wrong.
I admitted it already. My thought that he wasn’t “ready” was based more on his lack of experience above A ball than his age.
Nevertheless — you’re right. He can flat out play. And as you say, he can only get better.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Not a right/wrong
I’m not trying to make it a right/wrong thing….just having a little fun. Besides, I went on record as saying that Silva wouldn’t be “pitching meaningful innings in Chicago” and absolutely out of nowhere he’s arguably been the Cubs most consistent and productive SP.
Even if it was easier to see that Castro could play than believing a 5-0 start was in the works for Silva, the result is still the same.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
Nice to hear you krummy. yes you are right about Castro.
But no one knew he’d be able to perform at the major league level right now…least of all the Cubs who made a desperation panic move. I’m just glad it seems to have worked out so well, I wanted the guy in there all along, just later in the year. Man, his swing looks beautiful and his defensive potential is so awesome…gives me shivers of the future.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
+1, absolutely, well said.
Also one thing that has made a difference in not only this game, but in this small win streak has been some speed on the bases. Lou has also been more aggressive with the steals, attempted squeeze, and I think I remember a few hit and runs.
Theriot’s steal got the first run on the board, and they scored 4 runs on six hits. Of course 3 for 6 with risp was also key.
Formerly known as BleedsbluinMi.
"You ain't a beauty, but hey you're alright. And that's alright with me" - The Boss
Meant to say score four runs on six hits, without any homers.
Formerly known as BleedsbluinMi.
"You ain't a beauty, but hey you're alright. And that's alright with me" - The Boss
absolutely beautiful play
I’ve been looking for those from castro. looks like he’s starting to get his confidence up, forget about the crowds and just play ball. thanks for sharing the link.
by cubsonWGN4ever on May 20, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Starlin
Definitely adds a missing dimension for the Cubs. I thought that they might be rushing him, especially after the three errors game, but I am 100% behind him at this point.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Let's give some credit...
to Jamie Moyer. The guy is amazing. He held the Cubs to basically nothing and all you can say about him is he’s going to have the record for most homers allowed?
He’s a class act and I hope he keeps pitching long enough to get to 300 wins. I think if he leaves the Phillies after this season and signs with a team that has a pitcher’s park like San Diego or even a return to the Mariners, he has a good chance to get there with two more years (though, if he makes it that long, I’m sure he’d do all he can to stay and pitch one more year when he’d be 50).
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Just North of Wrigley Field
true
but holding the Cubs to 2 runs is < Gorzo holding the Phillies to 0 runs and the pen only giving up 1 run. Moyer is amazing – hell alot of 25 year olds cant do what he is doing…
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Agree with Don Johnson here..Moyer has always been a class act.
Not sure at all why you add in here comparing him to Gorzo…has nothing to do with Crockett’s point.
I’d love to see Moyer pitch as long as Crockett suggests…as long as it’s not for a return tour here. We don’t need to give him a farewell tour at his age, just congratulate him on a wonderful career.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Having the record for HR allowed
is actually a pretty good record to own. It means you have been around forever…
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
A dubious honor
Like holding the record for most hits or runs in the minors thanks to your extended never-made-it-to-the-bigs career.
Of course, that still means you had a career being paid to play baseball and that can’t be all bad.
Win.
by RavenswoodRob on May 20, 2010 7:51 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This is different than a minor league record though.
This record means that you have been a starting pitcher in the major leagues for 2 decades. Again, not a bad record to have. I agree, not one to hang on your wall, but still…
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
Look at the top-10 list for HR allowed...
… which I linked in last night’s game preview.
Six Hall of Famers, another one who should be (Bert Blyleven) and another one who will be (Randy Johnson).
It’s more than just being a starting pitcher for two decades.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It's longevity....
Favre holds the INT record….
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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It's partly longevity.
Why are there no bad pitchers on that list?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Because they were all good enought to stick around for a VERY LONG time
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
+1 LOL.
Bad pitchers can’t find a job for 20+ years.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
Well said!
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Soft tossing lefties...
…who have command of their pitches can hang on for a long long time.
Clearly, he knows what he is doing; hits his spots, and changes speeds well with the exact same motion on every pitch.
With all this said, one of the reasons guys like Moyer can last (IMO) is this; hitters have an internal timing clock, and that clock is set at timing fastballs at 90+. When you face a guy that is so different (in regards to adjusting your timing), it is very difficult to adjust in the few AB’s you get. By the time you start to catch on, the guy is out of the game.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Oh yeah. Same always happens with things like strikeouts and hitters,
Walks and runs allowed and losses with pitchers. You pitch as long as Moyer and you’re bound to set records, good and bad.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
The name on the list that intrigued me was Nolan Ryan
Lots of innings, but relatively few HRs allowed (about 320). Surprised me – with his fastball I figured that whenever someone got a hit, there was a good shot at a HR.
Ryan was amazing. Man I wanted him on my team every damn year.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Re: Howry
I’m usually willing to take a look at the scrap heap, but I don’t think this move will work out. I’d love to see Howry’s home-road splits last year, because my guess is that his tendency to give up the long ball was negated by AT&T Park.
That said, the reports in the Tribune that I read last night indicated that Howry would not be penciled into his old role, but would be lower on the totem pole in the pen. Assuming that’s the case — and with Lou, who knows — and assuming Hendry is still looking for a more dominant righty for late-game situations … I guess picking up Howry on a cheap contract isn’t a terrible idea. It’s such a low-risk move …
low risk
It is indeed low risk/cost at league minimum. Al’s comparison of Edmonds vs. Freel is accurate. Neither one of those pick ups looked promising at the time. One paid off handsomely and the other was a non-issue within weeks.
the real question ...
is whether Howry will be as bad as Caridad or Berg have been. I don’t have the answer to that, but if there’s a chance that he’s better …
this whole season has been entertaining/interesting to say the least IMO :)
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by cooliogirl47 on May 20, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd take this week's entertaining over the past few weeks.
But I see your point.
Gotta link? I sure couldn't find a peep on the Trib website last night about Howry.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
the story I read is gone ...
I've seen that.
Mirrors what was on ESPN I saw at one time…interviews with Pinella on “what it could be like” with Howry.
Funny that it was REPORTED as a done deal on CSN, yet the official website and others are waiting for confirmation before saying the same. I’m hoping (please!) like clutch CSN jumped the gun. Whether that’s realistic or not.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Any word where he would start out?
I think a few outings in AAA to see what he has would be appropriate
well, if he's meeting the team in Texas
my guess is he starts with the Cubs.
That's what CSN said. Let's see some official word from someone in Cubs mgmt.
Before we know terms or when he’ll be used.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Howry splits from 2009.
3.34 ERA at home, 3.44 on the road. Allowed 1 HR in SF, 4 on the road, pitching slightly more innings (34) on the road than at home (29.2).
He was good last year both at home and on the road.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Well, that's comforting.
I hope, once he’s signed, he’s asked how he returned to form in 2009. I’m guessing NL West pitchers have it a little easier considering they play so many games in AT&T, Dodger Stadium and Petco. That said, it’s not like Howry could have possibly avoided other launching pads — like Coors.
I'd have to go through his game logs to figure out if he had any trouble with certain parks last year.
Don’t really have time to do that. I hope he does return to form if signed.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I liked pre-2008 Howry.
The more I think about this, the more I’m OK with Hendry making this move, but scared about how Lou will use Howry.
has anybody else been thinking about Major League since they heard the Howry rumor?
Charlie Donovan: [Taylor arrives to spring training] There’s Jake Taylor.
Lou Brown: He was an all-star in Boston, wasn’t he?
Charlie Donovan: Yeah, wound up in the Mexican League. Had problems with his knees.
Pepper Leach: Wish we had him two years ago.
Charlie Donovan: We did.
I believe the next line is “Four years ago, then.”
I'm not. Don't want him anywhere near my team, no matter how desperate they are.
Isn’t one Grabow enough?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
the question is ...
will Howry be better than Caridad has been?
The question is how many bad starts it takes to send him back to the
scrap heap. The only consolation I have is we’re getting him for nothing so sending him away will be easier than Grablow.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Except the year is 2010
He has been HORRIFIC this year and he was terrible in 08 when he was with the Cubs. The idea of giving Lou another “vet” he can “trust” ala Grabow is beyond scary. Also it is not like
he has been “uneven” this year , he has been about the worst reliever possible.
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Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on May 20, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
What are his stats from this year?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 20, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
11.25 ERA, 2.25 WHIP
Oh, wait — those are Esmailin Caridad’s numbers! Howry’s ERA is 10.67, and his WHIP is 1.67.
Both guys have been terrible, but Howry is better than Caridad. If we’re talking about improving the bullpen, Howry (arguably) is an improvement.
No, not an improvement. Two horrible relievers.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not crazy about the move.
But, hell, stranger things have worked out. As long as Howry isn’ t overused by Lou, this won’t be a disaster.
You mean like Grablow isn't a disaster? Why bring in a guy you know is horrible?
I can see sending him to the minors and seeing if he can turn things around, but this guy is a veteran. He won’t do that. Send him packing before we have to “decide” if he’s just as bad as Grabow or “not quite as bad”
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
elgato, I apologize. Yes we need help and that's your opinion.
I’ll let this go lol. Got nutty there I think.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Have you seen our bullpen?
Howry is worth a shot considering the closest thing we have to a reliable right-handeder in our bullpen is Justin Berg, he of the over 6.00 ERA. Howry has been terrible this year, but he has a good career track record and considering his apparent leadership skills is worth a shot to see if he can produce. Hopefully Jay Jackson will be ready to come up soon, but I am not going to complain if Howry is taking innings from Berg/Caridad/Stevens.
by JSB on May 20, 2010 10:07 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This whole thing
is giving me Chad Fox nightmares. The inferior, aging reliever that Hendry just won’t stop taking calls from.
by Damen Jackson on May 20, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
There is a difference.
Howry is healthy. Fox could barely throw two pitches without getting hurt.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Don't forget
All of those NL West clubs have spacious outfields.
I am not a Howry lover, but am not going to get apoplectic about it.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Gorz's play after being hit was impressive
I was watching here in Philly with the TV muted and Pat & Ron on MLB web audio.
I went back and listened to how the Phillies announcers called it and they were suitably impressed. I usually avoid any non-Cubs announcers to avoid the stupidity and trash talking but they were nicely respectful.
Win.
by RavenswoodRob on May 20, 2010 7:59 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Castro is the real deal... dude is a stud!
That play he made deep in the hole last night was huge… and we haven’t had a guy who could do that in a long, long time.
Hope Gorzo’s OK… dude gets hurt every month.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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I've already been told that Starlin
cannot be in any part of my next kid’s name, whenever that kid may come along. Since that’s been nixed, I’ve just been using it as a nickname for my little one. Seems decently suited as a girl nickname, and it’s not like she doesn’t have a bunch already, like Papaya or Sweetheart.
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by Craig in South Bend on May 20, 2010 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Starlin
does seem like a little girl’s nickname
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Starlin is close to Darlin'
At least that’s how I see it.
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by Craig in South Bend on May 20, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed...starlin darlin is a teen girl crush name.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
better his hand
than his head…wicked play…only hope is that the glove took some of the brunt before it hit his hand
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Remember what you always say Al,
teams are never as good as they seem nor they are as bad. We’re seeing the good cubs right now but what I saw last weekend was bad. We need to strike a cord somewhere in between where we can be consistently successful. Great pitching like last night won’t stay all season but I did like the fact we’re seeing a little more movement on the bases lately. Castro paid off last night too, that move is looking better every day.
I also think we’re seeing the bullpen issue settle. I would say Marshall after the past few weeks is our 8th inning guy and Grabow our LOOGY or finish the 7th guy. Howry could help if he is the good one we saw in the past.
Much more fun to win than lose!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
OT question for Al
Was NBF’s Fanpost killed?
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by Craig in South Bend on May 20, 2010 8:14 AM CDT reply actions
Yes.
I deleted it because its very nature made it nothing more than personal attacks. I don’t want that here.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Are you suggesting
That some BCBers are full of….?
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
lol-I suppose that's another way of putting it.
I just meant that some folks can be a little uptight.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
Cool
Thank you. I read that and thought the obvious thing about it.
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by Craig in South Bend on May 20, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
An NBF special????
Damn, sorry I missed it. What was the gist?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
He was bitching about people bitching.
WGN’s post-game led off with the Howry news, rather than talking about how awesome this team is after four straight victories. However, I’m certain if someone other than he was to write the article, he would have ripped it to shreds.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
First call to WGN post-game was screaming about Howry
Therefore, Cubs fans suck
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Hey.
I’m thinking that maybe this discussion needs to stop, because it got out of hand and that’s why I deleted the post.
Thank you.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Drats.
I wanted to bring up how I almost called WGN to say how bad Aramis’ swing looked and that I wish they’d just sit him already or move him down in the lineup. hehe
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by katie casey on May 20, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
He had a similar rant in the game thread last night.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 20, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Castro definitely makes this team
more interesting and fun to watch. They can actually run out a pretty good defensive line up when Colvin plays for Sori. Glad to see us win again in spite of more horrid at bats from the heart of our line up. Lee and Ramirez still look lost in the box; they are both taking strikes and swinging at balls- Aram’s at bat w/ men on was especially bad. Hope the two figure it out today vs. Blanton.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will
Kerry Wood-a little OT
After the cubs game I switched over to the Royals at Indians in time to watch Kid K pitch. He’s not a kid any more. He gave up 5 in the 9th and looked a little frustrated after no one covered 1st on a slow roller he got to. He consistently hit 97 MPH and threw one hook that was just an absolute killer. All the time I was watching I was thinking what it would be like to have that fastball back in the 8th inning and then disaster. It was one year after he gave up 4 to the Royals in the 9th.
I think he still has it. I think he is a little disinterested with the losing and random save chances. I do think he could be valuable to a number of teams!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
Wow, that was a bad appearance last night, wasn't it?
I think you’re right about Wood’s attitude pitching for Cleveland. People will say “it doesn’t matter where you pitch” if the results are bad.
I say it does matter. Clearly, the Tribe will make him available. Could he help the Cubs bullpen? It’s impossible to say.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
So we'll bring back Wood, Howry ...
who’s next? Jason Marquis? Mark Clark?
j/k
Game 1 starter in the 1998 NLDS!
Stupid Brant Brown.
I Was There
Not the Brant Brown game, but Game 1 of the ’98 NLDS.
Sucked.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Its too bad 1 play defines Brown. He was a decent ball player.
On a MUCH larger scale think Buckner.
He isn't a pitcher
But I still want Matt Stairs back. I remember being so stoked when he was picked up, and so bummed when he didn’t last very long with the team.
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by Craig in South Bend on May 20, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
He would be a good pickup
For your slow-pitch softball team.
Back when Stairs was on the Cubs, my brother complained non-stop about how the Cubs had all of these doughy softball players instead of athletic baseball players.
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Paul Assenmacher
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Assenmacher is only two years older than Jamie Moyer.
Just sayin’.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Much as I like Kerry Wood and what he did for us over the years, we let him go at the right time.
Bad idea…him or signing Howry. But if it turns out to be legal, guess I’ll have to get used to it.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
You're really watching with your heart and not your eyes
if you saw Wood’s meltdown that ended with him air mailing his mitt into the booing throng last night and want him back on the Cubs.
needs edit
let’s not start celebrating just yet. A win is a win and it’s always good to win, but remember, the 2008 Cubs that were arguable the best team in the NL from April to the beginning of October split the season series with a very bad Washington Nationals team that only won 59 games that year.
---AC 00 00 00 - Believe
I think for the most part
Nothing has changed as far as the team’s strengths and weaknesses during this 4 game winning streak versus the losing 7 of 8 streak. Our offense is still pretty wobbly and Lee/Ramirez continue to struggle, the bullpen is going to be an adventure and our starting pitching is going to be really good.
I think that what we are seeing is the difference between losses and wins will be a matter of a timely hit once and a while and a matter of inches. Those first two RBI’s were inches away from being groundouts – and earlier in the season it seemed they were outs. This team, as Al said, is like most other NL teams – a team with strengths and flaws. The one aspect of the team I do think is different during the win streak is the fielding has bee a lot tighter. Byrd has made some nice plays, I like the middle infield alot more now with Castro at SS and Theriot at 2B.
I think the Castro move
changed alot for the Cubs. It shores up their MI defense, gets a good #2 hitter in the lineup and someone who is a steal threat on the basepaths (even if he got picked off last night). Plus he adds some youthful ignorance to the woes of the team…I know when I was 20 just playing ball was a treat I didnt care about winning or losing just playing
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I love Castro batting 2.....But Lou knows he should bat 8th most of the time so that is where he will probably be today there is a righty starting.
Trust lou with our kids! He knows the way!
Well stated
Nice to win 4 straight all the same.
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by cmpody on May 20, 2010 9:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it is great the way they are rewarding big Z!
Though he has said the right things, he obviously has not been into his move to the pen.
His best outings have come lately when a return to the rotation has been told to him.
Now we can see what another rotation member can do in the pen. A guy who has been doing the job as a starter, unlike Z was. The bottom line is that the Cubs will make another starter pay for the fact that Z could not hack it in the pen.
So kudos to JH and Lou! They have a plan and we need to get behind them and trust that they know the way!
Also, the Howry move is amazing! JH always one step ahead of the rest of the league!
Al...
…I don’t think beating a team one time means they aren’t dominant (compared to the Cubs at least) by any means.
I agree the NL is nothing to write home about (especially the Cubs division), but if the Cubs played the Phillies 20 times, I’d bet the Cubs lose 13-14 of those games.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
The Phillies rotation after Roy Halladay doesn't scare anyone.
The Cubs have a couple of starters doing as well or better than Cole Hamels.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
With the balance...
…they have in the lineup (with some real good players), they don’t need a killer rotation to outplay the Cubs more times than not.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Obviously, the Phillies have a terrific offense.
And yet, the Cubs shut them down last night.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yes, one game.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
You are correct, the Cubs and Phils played exactly one game last night.
Formerly known as BleedsbluinMi.
"You ain't a beauty, but hey you're alright. And that's alright with me" - The Boss
True.
However, I went to the series in Philly last year. This year’s Cubs looked far better playing essentially the same Philly team, than last year’s did — and last year’s series was in July, when the Cubs were actually playing fairly well.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Is nine innings just maybe too small a sample size?
I was at a game when Bill Madlock’s Cubs dismantled the Big Red Machine. And yet, for some reason, I rarely hear that Cub team mentioned in the same breath as the team from Cincinnati.
We are on...
…different wave lengths here.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Two games is better than one...
…but I’d rather see how things look in September.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
What is today's matchup?
Ryan Dempster vs. ???
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 20, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Joe Blanton
According to cubs.com, which I am watching like a hawk for reasons detailed above.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
"There are no dominant teams in the 2010 National League."
Al, is there anyone else online who reads more into one game than you do? The Phillies would qualify as a dominant team. It’s one game for crying out loud.
"No dominant teams": is a nicer way of saying...
The NL sucks.
It’s similar to the terms “parody” or “evenly matched.”
When you use those words to describe an entire league, you’re really saying that everyone is mediocre or average.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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(parity)
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
LOL thanks...
I guess the parody could be used to describe the NL too!
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Doesn't mean the NL team won't win the World Series
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Yes, that's basically what I'm saying.
And it’s why the Cubs can come out of the pack and still make the playoffs.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
"no dominant teams" and "parity" both = mediocrity.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd take a mediocre Cubs team if it used that process to get to the World Series.
Wouldn’t you?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
gotta point here sal.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice to see the cubs made up ground in the central last night too
Not that anyone is watching the standings or anything ;)
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
by mikegncb34 on May 20, 2010 8:50 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'm not expecting much from the Cubs
but they really need to treat this like a marathon. They don’t even need to go on extended streaks, but just win most of your games at home, go 50/50 on the road, and try and take as many series as possible. They do that, then the other teams in the division will fall behind them. That’s about as optimistic as I can get.
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by Craig in South Bend on May 20, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Cubs home record: 11-10
Road record: 8-12
Gotta work on that second number a little bit.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Gotta work on that first number a lot too...
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Given enough time
the first number should come around pretty well.
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by Craig in South Bend on May 20, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Is Heilman Next?
Bobby Howry? You are kidding — right?
When Howry last pitched for the Cubs, he was getting torched on a fairly regular basis.
He had lost some velocity in ‘08. Now we are told that his velocity is down in ’10? If in comparsion to ’08, how low has it gone.
From what I remember from ’08, the decrease in velocity led to the increase in HRs allowed because he couldn’t get his breaking ball over the plate. He got behind in the count and then had to throw his very hittable “heater.”
For whatever reason, he had a decent ’09. But we did not see him like SF fans saw him. What were the situations when he entered the game?
Obviously, in ’10, he has returned to his ’08 ways and we are told that his velocity are down.
I realiize just as all of you do that the pen has struggled to say the least. But is this the direction that we need to go? I hate to make a comparsion — are we trying to resurrect a career?
Please look closer in our own house. We have seen some already and the results have not been very good.But what about Thomas Diamond? Can you honestly say that giving him a chance is worse than resigning Howry?
I for one do not want to sit and watch Howry enter a game in which the Cubs still have a chance to comeback but lose that chance when Howry throws a meatball.
Please allow Bobby to retire and watch the games like the rest of us.
Have you seen Caridad's?
Slottingn Howry into Caridad’s is hardly a downgrade.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
I wouldn't call a guy with a 10.67 ERA "hardly a downgrade".
Even if the guy he’s replacing has an ERA higher than that.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 20, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
You believe Howry is worse than Caridad? How can you be? Even if they are the same, Howry isn’t a downgrade. Caridad has been pitiful at best.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
Take away one bad appearance by Caridad,
And his numbers are much better than Howry’s. ’Nuff said.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 20, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Take away Howry's last outing...
… and you can’t say that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
and if Caridad IS actually hurt
… Howry’s a better option because he can actually pitch.
Caridad hasn't seen nearly the action that Howry has
And you should probably lay off the kid a little bit. He had that really, really awful outing in Cinci, and has had a couple of shaky appearances since, with a couple of DL stints to go along with it. It’s obvious that he’s not ready for the setup role that was being envisioned for Guzman, but he also has less than a year’s worth of major league service.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Yeah, well ...
the point is that the Cubs might as well see if Howry is more effective than a injury-prone Caridad. I agree that the Cubs set Caridad up to fail.
I've seen Caridad's
Over 8 appearances in 2010 and 23 batters faced. He has given up 5 earned runs, 4 of those in one appearance.
Compare to 14 appearances and 67 batters faced for Howry. Earned runs given up in 8 of those appearances.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
A nice win for the Cubs.
On Howry, if his velocity is down then he could be quite the HR machine. I’d rather they move Silva to the pen and if they feel the need for yet another reliever, then stick it out with a AAA guy. I think Lou’s comments previously have indicated that he associates the poor bullpen performance with lack of experience, so Howry is likely a move that Pinella wants more than Hendry but I suspect that they both like him and would give him a shot.
Somebody found the hole in Colvin's swing
Last night’s strikeout by Covin vs. JC Romero was very similar to his strikeout vs. Matt Belisle on Monday night. Colvin was striking out on low sliders inside and swinging over the top. Last night, strike 3 was in the dirt and Colvin couldn’t hold up his swing. I don’t think he saw a fastball in those four pitches.
So the scouting report on Colvin is out and let’s see if he can adjust and lay off those pitches.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
Looks to me...
…like he was a bit to anxious, which lends to swinging at pitches out of the zone.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Could be
I just thought the two strikeouts were very similar. They reminded me of Marmol striking out Jason Heyward with 3 sliders. I hope Colvin learns to layoff the pitch.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on May 20, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice win
I’ll get excited when/if they get back to .500
I guarantee that the Phillies will be playing meaningful games in September. I do not yet know if the Cubs will be doing that.
Howry? Whatever. His leash better be microscopic.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
.500 weathered fans?
At least you’ll have a leg up on the bandwagon fans.
"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman
by BucknerKongCardenal on May 20, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe "excited" wasn't the right word
More like “intrigued”
I don’t have a problem with bandwagon fans in the slightest. Why invest in a crappy product?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I kid
I understand the feeling…but you might be missing the warm hope-when-there-should-be-none glow that is good for your complexion at the very least.
I have no problems with bandwagon fans either.
"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman
by BucknerKongCardenal on May 20, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Andre Dawson is such a bad ass...
Seriously, I don’t think I could like any more than I already do.
Dawson said during he did most of the talking, according to the report. He said he started the lesson this way, with Perez at his side: "I’m not going to say a lot, because if you say the wrong the thing to me, then you might wind up on the floor on your rear end.
Good old fashion...
…leadership right there, you gotta love it!
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Everyone is falling all over the idea of Sandberg managing
Why not Dawson?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Hasn't shown any interest that I've seen.
I’m with you there though. Dawson was all class and a true leader. So many stories of him setting a good example with the team can be told.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe he's just perfect as the designated head-breaker
At this point, I think Ryno will cause an international incident if he doesn’t get hired as manager.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
That's true.
I wish I knew more about his abilities coaching in the minors, all I know is Sandberg was a class act like Dawson on the field and what he stood for. When his wife wasn’t getting plunked by the guys on the team that is. Cough-Palmeiro-Cough.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I haven't been...
…and not because I don’t want him to be the manager, I just think it won’t make a bit of difference who the manager is if bigger problems are not corrected.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Baker in RF?!?
What IS it about Lou using infielders in the outfield? First DeRosa, then Bobby Scales, now Jeff Baker. Looks like Baker has played a couple games in the outfield before… but seriously, is this the best use of his talents? I suppose he’s better in RF than Nady, who can’t throw. Jeez, Lou….
DeRosa could play any position on the field!
And he made a mean meatball sub, too.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
DeRosa once cured my allergies
Just by looking at me
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I wish he would look at me, cause they are killing me today
Formerly known as BleedsbluinMi.
"You ain't a beauty, but hey you're alright. And that's alright with me" - The Boss
Right through your soul

Better yet?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Allie will swoon at that pic when she sees this. And hope he sees that his shoes are untied.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 20, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Today's goal:
Get the win and get the hell outta town, as quick as possible.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I know right
Just try and out hustle them, and move on before the losing streak bug catches up.
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by Craig in South Bend on May 20, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Game Preview is up
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
The Philly crowd last night seemed mellow and subdued...
…I guess that’s what a couple of Series appearances and a championship will do to promote civility, although in our section of the third deck, I think my wife and I were the only ones standing up for Gorz as he left the field after his brilliant performance and nice recovery on the Ruiz smash.
The only strong booing I heard all game came with Z’s arrival, and that may have been from the scattered Cubs fans in attendance. I did hear some cheering among the groans when Castro showed us an arm.
All-in-all, maybe the best Cubs effort this year – fine plays by Byrd, Theriot, Castro, only five LOB, even Grabow looked good for three batters. Best of all, my recent road record is now 9-1, the only loss coming in the rain at Shea at the end of the “Hoffpauir Game” in ’88.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
thanks!
so your mojo was the difference—Cool! It was great seeing Z and Castro’s play looked awesome live. I was in row 31 from the bottom but only because I got a freebie
"I showed him the cheese then punched him out with the yakker." -- Eck
by kentmeister on May 20, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Went to the game!
Boy, can’t remember the last time I saw the Cubs win in Philly. It was a beautiful night, surrounded by drunken idiots (yelling at Jamie Moyer for whiffing in his first AB, “Bum!” etc) but sweet to get a W. Well worth the 3 hr roundtrip drive!
"I showed him the cheese then punched him out with the yakker." -- Eck
The Cubs actually won one of the three games last year in Philly.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
the Zen approach to Howry
Maybe he can be the Millar of the bullpen, but if he can’t be back it up with performance, he’ll be the next step to the eventual right choice.
"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman
by BucknerKongCardenal on May 20, 2010 10:55 AM CDT reply actions

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