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A batter crossed the mound in 1971 and somehow, the baseball world didn't explode into a massive hissy fit.

I don't care how many perfect games Dallas Braden throws. He's still a loser.

about 2 years ago Sb_tiny Worf 23 comments 0 recs  | 

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Couldn't agree more.

This “unwritten rule” is college baseball nonsense, something invented by college coaches for “macho” reasons. It’s what caused Ben Christensen to throw a ball at Anthony Molina’s head in the on-deck circle, ruining Molina’s vision.

This kind of stuff has to stop.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 23, 2010 7:24 AM CDT reply actions  

When the Cubs signed Christensen

that is the closest I came to finding another team to root for. I have never rooted harder for any player to fail.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on May 23, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

That player brought to the Cubs by

Jim Hendry

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by Shanghai Badger on May 23, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

That’s quite a reach to lump crossing the mound in with throwing at someone in the on-deck circle.

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by ballhawk on May 23, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

It comes from the same mindset...

… taught by college coaches as some sort of macho nonsense. There are apparently quite a few of these sorts of “unwritten rules”.

Granted, one’s a bit more serious than another. ALL of them need to stop.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 23, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, some are stupid, like the aforementioned crossing the mound....

but some unwritten rules in baseball I agree with. Most have to do with respecting the game, your teammates, and your opponents. Examples: when you hit a home run, don’t stand and admire it. When you’re leading by more than seven or eight runs after the sixth inning, no stealing bases or sac bunting (continue to try to score runs, of course, but without showing up the opposition). When the manager walks to the mound to take the pitcher out, the pitcher waits at the mound for the manager to arrive.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on May 23, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Most have to do with respecting the game, your teammates, and your opponents.

Exactly right. The ones I’m talking about have nothing to do with that.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 23, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Crossing the mound should be stopped. It’s a blatant show of disrespect to the pitcher, whoever it might be, and if Rodriguez had any class he would have gone around, because there was nothing preventing him from doing so. He did it just to be a --, period. It was an unprovoked, disguised middle finger, just because he could. Rodriguez has a history of acts like that. Did Braden overreact? Maybe, but then again, he didn’t start it, either.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on May 23, 2010 11:09 AM CDT reply actions  

You actually didn't agree

And you’re wrong

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on May 23, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a matter of opinion

Think about it. Let’s say Rodriguez did that to Gibson, Marichal, Drysdale, Jenkins, even Sutcliffe. Next at bat he’d be looking at his earhole.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on May 23, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's nonsense.

It happened in the World Series and no one said a word. In the Gibson/Drysdale/etc. era.

It’s not a big deal. Who cares, really? Pitch the ball, enough of the macho crap.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 23, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I see it as disrespect..

… in a chickens—- coward’s way. There’s nothing macho about running across a mound, nor is there really anything macho about taking exception to it. And I’d be curious to know exactly when this happened to Gibson or Drysdale.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on May 23, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

There’s nothing macho about running across a mound, nor is there really anything macho about taking exception to it.

Right. So why make a big deal about it?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 24, 2010 6:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Check and see.....

….. who started this latest thread on it. Not me. And who insisted on calling Braden names. Not me. The bigger deal seems to be made by people who see nothing wrong with an act that doesn’t need to happen to begin with.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on May 24, 2010 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure what your point is here...

… but mine is that certain “unwritten rules” need to be eliminated.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 24, 2010 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

And I don't care if it happens or not

I think it is completely insignificant and the fact that Braden made a big deal out of it was idiotic and shows his character, rather than A-Rod’s.

Baseball likes to create these rules so it can pretend it is about something more than grown men playing a kid’s game for our entertainment.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on May 24, 2010 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Throw Clemens Into That Mix

Clemens would have decked somebody for doing that.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on May 24, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

the nonsense was perpetrated by ARoid not Braden

a point you seem unwilling or incapable of ackowledging

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~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on May 25, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, I'll acknowledge that A-Rod ran across the mound

But Braden blew it so far over the top.

It’s a mound. It’s not the Baby Jesus’ manger.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on May 26, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, you're wrong.

If you had used “or” instead of “and”, then you would have been right.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on May 23, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks for the post Worf

I agree with you wholeheartedly. This is a bunch of little league/high school/college machismo crap. I made my feelings known in the original post.

I do recommend the read, “The Baseball Codes” by Jason Turbow. Some great stories about the so-called unwritten rules.

To clarify further on the picture in the post—Doc Ellis is one of the biggest head-hunting intimidating pitchers in the history of the game. If he didn’t take offense to Buford and get all “Braden” during a nationally televised World Series game, then there isn’t an “unwritten rule” about this. If you doubt how intense Ellis felt about respect, please go see the recap and boxscore from May 1, 1974 against the Big Red Machine. He hated that his teammates fraternized with the Reds players knowing they were all nice, but wanted to kick Pittsburgh’s ass. Ellis said, “Cincinnati will bullshit with us and kick our ass and laugh at us. They’re the only team that talk about us like a dog.” So Ellis, took the “repsect” he demanded from the Reds into his own hands. First batter Pete Rose—drilled in the ribs. Second batter—Joe Morgan—drilled in the kidneys. Third batter—Dan Driessen—right in the middle of the back. Fourth batter—Tony Perez danced out of the way of 4 straight offerings at his chin and his back getting a walk and an RBI. Fifth batter—Johnny Bench—two high and tight not hitting the mark. Danny Murtaugh had enough and pulled Ellis.

If there was a “code” broken in crossing the mound, Buford would have had an earful from players and a ball in the ribs from Ellis.

by socalbob on May 24, 2010 3:02 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Here's the real point

from baseballmusings.com:

“the fact that one has to go back to 1971 to find photographic evidence of somebody doing it says more about the irregularity with which this sort of thing happens than any number of essays decrying Rodriguez’s audacity.”

I’m sure somebody can dig up a video capture of a golfer walking thru a competitor’s putting line. Doesn’t make it right. OR commonplace.

by azjazzman on May 24, 2010 5:28 PM CDT reply actions  

worf is always good for a laugh when her tries to butch up

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on May 25, 2010 9:17 AM CDT reply actions  

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