Chicago City Council Committee Approves Toyota Sign At Wrigley Field
The proposed Toyota sign at Wrigley Field came one step closer to reality today when a City Council committee voted 9-0 to approve it.
The committee's approval was expected after Ald. Tom Tunney, 44th, changed his mind about the sign and voiced his support for the sign. Wrigley Field sits in Tunney's ward.
In a meeting before the Chicago Landmarks Commission last month, Tunney said the sign was not in keeping with the Lakeview neighborhood or with the spirit of the landmarks ordinance that protects the 96-year-old stadium's historic features.
In exchange for Tunney's support, the Cubs have agreed to a four-year moratorium on new signs above the bleachers between the foul poles, the alderman said. It seems like a minor compromise for the Cubs. Team officials have previously said the location for the Toyota sign was unique because it did not obstruct views of paying customers on the rooftops.
My position on this issue is well known. If it brings in some money to help make the Cubs a winner, bring it on. It doesn't change the essential nature of the ballpark, and according to this examiner.com article, will not lead to a slippery slope of advertising all over the park:
[Tom] Ricketts told Examiner.com earlier that he had no intentions of putting up other signs in Wrigley.
The Cubs hope for full City Council approval at the Council's next meeting on June 9; it's possible that approval would allow the sign to be in place by the homestand that follows beginning on June 11.
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If it brings in some money to help make the Cubs a winner, bring it on.
Have we heard anything indicating its worth more than the $833,333 a year over three years that was rumored? Because if not… i doubt the equivalent of a Chad Tracy or Angel Guzman contract (or the difference in what Theriot went to arb over) is going to “make the cubs a winner”.
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Maybe not.
I still don’t understand the huge opposition. What’s the big deal?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
What’s the big deal?
If we knew putting up a hideous sign in the outfield was going to allow us to spend enough to see direct improvements on the field, then relunctantly I would say ok.
But what is the point of putting up something so out of character with the essense of the ballpark for a mere $800k/yr? If it is not a slippery slope to enable more revenue, then what is the point? Charge 30 cents more per ticket and there is your $800k. I would gladly pay several dollars more per ticket (I only go to about 5 games a year), if it meant stopping this sign.
"The Cubs are due in sixty-two." - #14
by BatCubFan on May 25, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
its not like they are
tearing down the bricks and ivy. I dont see a problem with it. There are so many opinions about this. There are some that go as far as saying rip it all down and start over. The advertising then would be everywhere. Its not a big deal.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
I too only go to about five games a year
and spending several dollars more per ticket or even per game at this point would be a deal breaker for me. If the sign means prices can stay put for a little while, then so be it.
Bears, beets, Battlestar Galactica. - Jim Halpert as Dwight Schrute
$800K isn't enough
$800K isn’t enough money to buy better players or fix up Wrigley.
http://www.thewrigleyblog.com/2010/06/toyota-sign-worth-800k-per-year.html
by Wayne Buckner on Jun 5, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Im not opposed ,Al,
but isnt the money more about making more improvements to the park than the players salary? That was the way I understood it origanally. I know it all comes out of the same bottom line, but that does help with some revamping of the stadium. It doesnt pay for it all, but it helps.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
Either way...
… I don’t have a problem with it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I might be adding fuel to the fire with this...
But your comment Al said “help” make the team a winner. I’m not thrilled by it and really the sign is just a response to a feud, but I think bringing in money from the sign helps the team.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 25, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I would like to hear why else you wouldn't have a problem with it?
Because the part about winning a championship isn’t selling that much. Now don’t get me wrong, I too do not mind the sign, but I don’t buy that they are just putting up one sign. It starts with one sign, then next season they’ll add about 2 more and then the next and so on. Now putting up one sign would not boost any kind of revenue enough to win a championship, but 2 or maybe 3 would. I’m opposed to it, but the part where Mr. Ricketts told the Examiner.com that this would be the only sign, well why would it be the only sign? That one sign isn’t going to make the Cub’s get a superstar player, but more than one sign would, and he’s acting like he won’t do it. I guess all I am asking is what is one sign going to do for the Cub’s, particularly the Toyota sign?
by alabamacubbie on May 25, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
this is something
that’s been consistently explained to you. Why bother trying to do so again?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on May 25, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
It's becuz it will destroy the pretty postcard view for all the old ladies and people that come to Wrigley to take pictures and stare at the panoramic view....
also it will lead to famine or something worse.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 25, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Are we gonna unearth baby pics of you with a "no lights in Wrigley Field" shirt on?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 25, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
no, you see...
the lights were magically incorporated into the park in a manner in which cause all the whiny people to not whine too much. THIS SIGN IS NOTHING BUT AN EYESORE!!
A GOATSE.CX RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL OUR FAVORITE BOOKMARKS.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 25, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes they were...but no fans knew that before it happened.
God I must be old…have no idea what your last sentence means.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 25, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
The word "Goatse" in there
says it all. SWL, my insurance will be asking for you to cover my brain bleaching.
by Steven Schweickert on May 25, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm perhaps I was lucky I didn't know what bookmarks had to do with anything
Or if CX meant curse or what lol…
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 25, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I caught an old movie the other day --
“About Last Night” Spotted Rob Lowe sporting a “NO LIGHTS” T-shirt.
Haven’t seen this flick in years. Haven’t seen that sign in years.
How did that all work out?
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 25, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
The sign is worth $800K
I emailed every chicago reporter covering the Toyota Sign. The Tribune, Sun-Times and Crain’s Business all said that it isn’t $2.5million per year, but OVER three years.
to read what they said: http://www.thewrigleyblog.com/2010/06/toyota-sign-worth-800k-per-year.html
by Wayne Buckner on Jun 5, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
They sold out to
an alderman for 4 years of no more signage there?! Ah city aldermen, tenticles of the mayor
Guess that puts the brakes on doing something more for “Wrigley-2014”.
Just win the next game...!
Let's hope that's the only thing he got for his vote.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 25, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
FWIW, I Like It
I’m glad the Cubs are going to get some money from Toyota, but I don’t think this will solve the mystery of the Cubs’ long world title drought.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Not To Be Jingoistic
I agree with you. I have had three cars in my life (2 Mustangs and 1 Focus). I like to buy American, when I can.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Fair Enough
I don’t have anything against Toyota. Toyota set the bar high on the quality of vehicles. In recent years, the quality of American vehicles has improved a lot. I’m glad to say that customers are no longer sacrificing quality when they buy American vehicles. It’s no longer buying American for the sake of buying American.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
There's a lot of truth in what you say here memphis.
But I think right now is a funny time to say Toyota is setting the bar high on the quality of vehicles.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 25, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Did Set the Bar High (Past Tense)
Yeah, Toyota’s image has definitely taken a hit lately. That story of the woman in the Toyota in east Tennessee on interstate 40 with the accelerator stuck was frightening. I was more referring to what Toyota did in the 1980’s and 1990’s.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
I know. Just made me laugh to see it in there lol
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 25, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Ive never owned a toyota.
but do own a honda. And as far as the reputation hit. Hasnt affected toyota at all. Considering the garbage american companies were putting out there for years, Im glad to see they are improving. But imagine if companies like toyota and honda weren’t around. Imagine what they (big three) would be giving us to drive around in.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
I own an American car
and most of it was built and assembled in Canada and Mexico.
Bears, beets, Battlestar Galactica. - Jim Halpert as Dwight Schrute
I'm with you memphis.
At least the revenue brought from the ads would be sent to American businesses. Who also by the way have many plants in the US employing many Americans.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 25, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I own a Toyota
And I’m still against this. I’ve had a Prius since 2005, and my first car was a 1983 Tercel wagon. So I’m a long-time Toyota fan.
"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry
I loved my '83 Tercel wagon
Shift-on-the-fly 4WD + full skid plates + lots of desert == Big Damned four-wheeler for this kid. Went through a lot of tires, though.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
My Chrysler
…made in Mexico. It’s a Small, Small World. (Cue bad music.)
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 25, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
The sign alone is not the whole deal with Toyota
The sign is just a component of a broader sponsorship marketing campaign with Toyota and Chicagoland Toyota dealers.
Here is an example.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
Thats cool,
Im sure those opposed to it wont enter, because they wouldnt want to win a new car.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
It's a shame to me that more things like this didn't happen instead of the sign.
Guess the price makes it worth driving it. Wonder if I should enter my ex wife in that drawing…
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 25, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh no!
Don’t hurt Cindy!
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on May 25, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
How many times do I have to say it...I did not have sex with that woman!
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 25, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
TNWSS
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on May 25, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
That depends on what you mean by sex.
Or what the definition of IS, is.
Wonder what kind of undies Cindy would wear?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 25, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Extrapolate from that dress...
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on May 25, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I corncobbed her.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 25, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
So that's Sandberg's wife....
meh….She doesn’t look that good.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Ex-wife
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on May 25, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what I meant.
my good
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
I'm confused as all heck (working on my swearing, Al).
In exchange for Tunney’s support, the Cubs have agreed to a four-year moratorium on new signs above the bleachers between the foul poles, the alderman said. It seems like a minor compromise for the Cubs.
I’m not in Chicago, so somebody update me on the Chicagoian politiking—four years is what—the amount of time Tunney has until he leaves his post and runs for something more important? Quite an arbitrary number. And a stupid “agreement”. Ahh, politics.
will not lead to a slippery slope of advertising all over the park
I think this is just silly. First off, I think it’s profoundly ignorant to think that this won’t lead to more signage. Two questions come to mind—First, why quit at one? Is there an advantage of putting this one sign up but disadvantage to putting more than one up? And second, don’t you want money, Tom Ricketts? Look at Fenway!

Or Yankee!

What’s the point in putting up this sole advertisement when it is clear that the equation is more signs = more money.
Dan
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on May 25, 2010 3:27 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Hmm..interesting points. I think you are right that it would be naive to think
Ricketts would take this “deal” with the alderman to stop putting up signs forever.
Though I would say I think there is a point to putting up this one sign for Ricketts…pissing off the owner of the building behind the stadium and blocking the Casino ad some.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 25, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, what happened to the Budweiser ad?
I liked that.
Casino, notsomuch.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
They let their lease expire because the dillweed that owns the building tried to jack up the price.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 25, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
I should always ask you to phrase things. You seem to have a talent for cutting to the chase. In a good way.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 25, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Got that right.
It was posted in here before somewhere that Budweiser supposedly stopped making payments on the sign to the building owner so he called the contract with them void and got the Casino ad instead. If he had kept Budweiser or a similar ad that was less gaudy I doubt this whole Toyota thing ever happens.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 25, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
For whatever reason...
…Budweiser and baseball seem to go hand and hand. The Budweiser ad seemed to fit in perfectly. Even the under armor I was okay with, maybe because I like their logo. But you’re right, the casino ad is lame.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
i dont even mind the CITI sign
that you see behind home plate. I think it was done classy. I wonder what they paid to have that put there.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
The underarmor ad was very understated to me. If the Cubs mgmt allowed
Ads similar to this like the Budweiser ad as I say, the public would not be in an uproar I suspect.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 25, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
You'd need to amend a city ordinance to have signs smaller than those at Wrigley.
I understand your point but Ricketts doesn’t have much leeway on this.
by Fraggin Judge on May 25, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Dumb question...
…but I assume the moratorium does not apply to rooftops? I assume the answer is no and I ask because I’m curious to know if this stops the Ricketts from adding a jumbotron on a rooftop.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Just go by the golden rule...
When yas got the gold, you make the rules.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 25, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do they have to put a sign up at Wrigley?
This only means more signs are coming. Next thing you know there is going to be signs on the players, managers, and even on us. This is a terrible idea.
SUPER SARCASM by everyones favorite goon.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
New avatar pic eh?
Stylin’.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 25, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
That be mah boy John Lennon
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Fitting talk then about Cindy earlier...Ryne's own Yoko Ono.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 25, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Milton Bradley is more fitting of Yoko than Ryno's wife.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Well...Cindy's philandering ways did help Ryne retire
And Yoko did create a wedge that pushed John away from the Beatles…hmm thinking about this. MB got people to think badly about the Cubs …nah got nothing. I think my brain’s fizzled today.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 25, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm Afraid You're Right
The prices will go up as long as ticket sales stay strong. The ticket sales this season are proving to be just fine. The number of fannies in seats may be down. It’s the ticket sales that need to drop off significantly before you will see as much as a stabilization in ticket prices.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
In a way...
this is what has been happening with the motion picture industry for the last 15 years. Ticket price increases, and attendance decreases. If you notice, they only refer to a movies “gross profit” and not real numbers of tickets sold as a measure of it’s success. You think more people went to see AVATAR than went so see E.T.?
That being said, the Cubs will most likely be able to raise ticket prices for the next few years and still not reach the point of diminishing returns, so get ready all you Cub fans….the 100 bleacher ticket is inevitable.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 25, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
But did it suck big blue balls?
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on May 25, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
JUST LIKE LOST.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 25, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Gone With the Wind and Star Wars
I’ve heard that Gone With the Wind is the most seen movie ever made. I believe episode 4 of Star Wars is the most seen movie that has been made since 1970. Yeah, “gross profit” is a lot different than tickets sold.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
OT: Link for All-Time Movies Gross Adjusted for Inflation
In short, Avatar is at #14.
The top six are:
Gone With the Wind
Star Wars Episode 4
The Sound of Music
E.T.
The Ten Commandments
Titanic
So, Avatar is second to Titanic among movies made since 1982. That’s still impressive. Though, I didn’t like Avatar that much personally.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
It wasn't as good as Aquaman
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Makes me wonder where "Smokey and the Bandit" ranks on that list.
Because whatever you say about it’s artistic value, it played for an entire year straight at my local movie theater when it came out. (Yeah, I’m that old.)
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 25, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Loved Smokey and the Bandit
I was too young to see it in a theatre. I saw the second and third movies on the big screen. I loved all that “artistic” stuff back in those days.
- The Cannonball Run movies
- The Dukes of Hazzard TV series
- BJ and the Bear TV series
- Lobo TV series
That stuff did not surpass my elementary school intellect back in the day.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
This isn't much of a Prediction
The Cubs raise ticket prices every other year. Up until last year or the year before, it was clock work. One year ticket prices would remain the same as the previous year, the next they would be raised.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on May 25, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
So what
its a sign, it means more money for the team and less money they need to get from the average game-goer - I cant say anything about ticket prices being raised because I am lucky if I can go once every other year – this year is the Sept 25th game against the Evil Red Empire.
Sipping the Kool-Aid since 1982 - Kinda
Currently 34,839 on the Season Ticket Wait List - Expected age of being #0: 119
An additional $833,000 per year will do nothing to stop ticket prices from going up.
That’s a different corporate meeting altogether.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
I personally have no problem with it
I think the irony is that the history of signage in ballparks is universally the norm and not the exception. I personally love the Fenway experience every time I go there. Sure there are plenty of ads but it doesn’t take away from the experience at all. I think the longer a sign stays in place the more it becomes a familiar and eventually a nostalgic item.
I no longer live in the Chicago area but I remember the Magikist signs off of a couple of the expressways. If they went up today people would throw up all over them. I’ll bet now though they might be eligible for landmark status.
"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
It's all about the casino.
The sign going up has nothing to do with bringing in revenue or “making the team better”. If it was about those things, they wouldn’t have agreed to cap it at one sign. If one sign makes the team x% better, wouldn’t 20 signs make the team 20x% better? It doesn’t make sense to argue to do 1 sign because it helps improve the team, then say you don’t want to do more because it hurts the view.
Either you care about the view and the small amount coming from the sign is insignificant, or you want a winner more than a view, and you put up all the signs it takes to get Pujols or whatever.
The reason the sign went up is to block the casino ad, plain and simple. If it was anything else they wouldn’t have agreed to one sign only.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on May 25, 2010 5:29 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree
I think it is more of a statement to the neighbors that if you dont play ball Rickett’s-style then the Cubs are going to pee on you.
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