Please, Cubs. Start Winning. I'm Tired Of Writing About Losses
Here's about the only non-negative (note: I didn't say "positive") thing I can find in the Cubs' 4-2 loss to the Pirates last night:
The Cubs left only four men on base, and the only reason one of them (Marlon Byrd in the 9th inning) was left in scoring position is that Byrd took second on defensive indifference in the ninth inning.
That's not actually positive, of course -- the Cubs had only six baserunners all night (five hits, one HBP), had no extra-base hits, and made Charlie Morton -- who came into the game with a 12.57 ERA -- look like Roy Halladay.
Lou Piniella doesn't know what the answer is -- his "lineup shakeup" involved switching two players, with the result being two hits and an RBI in seven at-bats between Alfonso Soriano and Aramis Ramirez. Ramirez drove in a run with a sacrifice fly with the bases loaded -- by swinging at a 3-2 pitch way out of the strike zone that would have been ball four, scoring a run without giving up an out. Many of the Cubs were hacking at pitches out of the strike zone last night, the result being a walkless game.
I received an email from a certain member of this site last night who thinks that Xavier Nady's presence on the roster is causing all the problems -- despite the fact that Nady did not play in last night's game. Her solutions ranged from the recall of Sam Fuld (big surprise) or even Bobby Scales.
Do you think Lou would play Scales in the outfield, Jessica? That'd be fun, right?
This team has too much talent to continue to play this way all year. I feel compelled to point out that the 2007 Cubs struggled just as this team is doing, at this time of year, and in fact, for nearly a month after this early-May date. It took the famous Lou tirade in early June 2007 to shake that team up and get it to start playing better. There were important personnel changes (not just getting rid of a backup outfielder who, for some reason, has been blamed by one reader of this site for all this team's ills) made, notably the trade of Michael Barrett.
What would you do to fix what's wrong? How can this team look so good against the Diamondbacks, then look like they didn't even show up against the Pirates, a team with a pitching staff almost as bad as Arizona's?
Onward. It has to get better. Right?
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Hope it does.
At least the Hawks are a great distraction. Anyone else feel the same way. If the Hawks can carry this into June, that may make the Cubs a little bit easier to swallow knowing one of our teams won a title.
What about those of us who only have baseball?
The World Cup doesn’t start for another month, and that’ll also produce the obligatory crushing defeat.
GO GERMANY!!!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah but it's soccer so very few people will care

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
It'd be fun to have a SBN site for the WC.
And I don’t want to litter this here site with posts where you and I will comment up a storm about something other than Cubs Baseball (wink wink).
I wouldn't be surprised if they put one up for the WM.
I dread to be in an England-USA, USA-Germany or Germany-England game thread. I would have very confused loyalties… OTOH, When the weather is nice, the put up big screens in the Biergartens, so I doubt I would post very much.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
http://www.focus.de/fotos/fussballfans-in-einem-biergarten-waehrend-der-wm-2002_mid_126345.html
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
They look young.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Legal drinking age for beer and wine is 16 in Germany
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
Wow.
You can’t be serious.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I am. You are not allowed to drive a car before you are 18.
Different strokes for different Volks…
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
Laws much different in Germany.
I don’t remember any of this when I visited there.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Many laws are similar to the States, some wildly different. Doesn't usually effect day to day life too much.
FYI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_drinking_age
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
The US is one of like 3 countries with a legal drinking age over 19.
And i think the other two are Muslim led, so its for religious reasons.
The drug and alcohol policies in this country are so ass backwards.
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by AndrewJStone on May 6, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Is this what you wanted to post?
Or is it some new form of picture fail?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Fail - The magazine doesn't allow deep links.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
Funny - I can see it now.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference.
Now I’m not suggesting that people will become indifferent to the Cubs anytime soon (as evidenced by the passion of BCB posters), but there was a time not so long ago where Wrigley Field wasn’t sold out on a near daily basis and the merchandising revenue stream for the Cubs wasn’t the cash cow it is now.
But it could happen again if they don’t get their poop in a group.
"Now I might have been a small part of your life. But you have been a very large part of mine. And it's my privilege and honor to share with you the greatest game of all." - Ernie Harwell
I have to say that some indifference is seeping in for me already
I had no real interest in watching last night.
I don’t expect attendance to be impacted much though.
Not this year.
But in the future? Possible, unless this team turns it around.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I worry about it now.
I have a friend in the ticket business who tells me that sales are the worst he’s ever seen. And there was no standing room last Saturday which means they didn’t sell out a May weekend game on a pretty nice day, which, as an SRO fan, I thought was odd. Also, it seems that although they are announcing big crowds of 39,000 or 40,000, there are more no-shows than usual. I can only base this on visual evidence, but it sure looks that way. Ticket sales may be okay, but if fans aren’t bothering to go that means lost revenue at the concession and souvenir stands, and it could be a sign of a larger trend beginning already. And two posts above are examples of the situation. The indifference expressed by rlpete and the huge interest in a good Blackhawk team which no doubt had Cub viewers changing the channel as 8:00 rolled around.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
It's too early to tell, but there are some warning signs.
We’ll see how it looks in the peak of summer. If there are no-shows then… I’d think the Cubs have things to worry about.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I had no real interest in watching last night either.
I had to turn it off. However, for me I don’t think it was indifference…..yet. It was something more akin to disappointment/ embarassment. tinged with annoyance/disgust. Kind of like the feeling I get when my son gets lousy grades because he was too lazy to turn his homework in. Arrrgh. Definitely care, just want to shake em.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
Hey guys, I need your expertise
I bet on the cubs in game 1 and lost. So, I figured that there was no way they would lose to Morton, so I doubled up on yesterday’s game. Sure enough they lose. Now I’m sitting here debating if I should just cut my losses and accept that the cubs are actually this bad or go with Wells, who made me a lot of money last year, and triple up on today’s game and walk away from this series with some profit. Do I just cut my losses or stick with them? BCB expertise on the Cubbies would be much appreciated.
by Freddyd on May 6, 2010 7:34 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
There is no way
that they get swept today. I would bet it for sure.
What is the o/u? Maybe you can parlay the Cubs and the over. I bet they score a bunch today. Go in for half the money and come out ahead? Just a thought.
You're basing this on what, exactly?
There is no way that they get swept today
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Love me some blind optimism. Seriously though, I just don’t see it happening, law of averages maybe. Nope….blind optimism.
by niuhuskie224 on May 6, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I would have thought there was no way they would get swept today after losing the last 2 games.
But then I never thought it was possible they would play so poorly last night after losing to the Pirates. This game just sucked the air out of the season completely.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I expected them to win each of the last two
But I would never make a statement like the one that nh224 did. There are no sure things – especially with the Cubs.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Over/under
I bet the over/under is 4 innings before BCB fans call for Lou to be fired today .
The 2010 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp ruled!!!!
I'll call for his firing right now
Of course I’ve been calling for his firing for quite a while, so maybe that doesn’t affect your odds
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
I should have went with the under.
I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted - George Best
I'm just betting (there I go) that he meant Pete Rose
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
congrats - you win!
wanna go double or nothing?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
A dime a point on backgammon?
Count me in.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
There are times
But in my baseball gambling career, I generally stayed away from betting Cubs games.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Don't bet on the Cubs.
I turned down several bets over the years. And one of them, in 2007, I would have won. Cubs-Cardinals in August, Cubs won, 2-1. A co-worker wanted to bet me the Cubs would lose that game.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the info guys.
Now, are you guys saying stay away because you’re bitter because they lost the series or do you really think they’re going to lose?
Saying “don’t gamble” is not going to help. I’ve been doing it for 9 years and it makes me more money than my day job (gotta love tax free dollars)
I really like Randy Wells. He made me some good money last year, he hasn’t lost this year and the team just seem to hit “well” behind him.
I was in the same situation at the beginning of the year with these damn Pirates. They were playing the Dodgers and had won the first 2 games. I debated and debated on whether to triple up on game 3, sure enough Dodgers avoided the sweep.
But the Dodgers are much easier to predict than these Cubs though, which is why i’m trying to get a feel for the team through you guys….
Stuff happens
The Cubs are a better team than the Pirates, but I wouldn’t bet on them right now.
Sorry if that’s not what you’re looking for.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
well, when you start sharing your tax-free winnings with the rest of BCB...
…then maybe BCB will start sharing their thoughts with you.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Not to rain on your parade,
but gambling winnings are not tax free. You just choose not to pay them.
by Cubbie Corey on May 6, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
you realize you basically just announced you're defrauding the United States Government right?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 6, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Hmm.... is there some kind of reward if we turn him in?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
No way to know if he's telling the truth
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
i can get a surveillence team out in front of his house in 30 min
I love Marian Hossa and Patrick Kane in totally manly ways. Kinda.
by jesus christos on May 6, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
the pride that's found in doing the right thing?

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 6, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Little Theodore....how cute.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
There is no way the IRS is ever going to believe that there is someone making money betting ON the Cubs
Several years ago I was in Vegas and placed a bet on the Cubs to win the WS. I asked the guy at the sports book if I would have to come back to the casino if my bet paid off. He told me that if the Cubs won the World Seires he would personally deliver the winning to my house.
Such is the life of a die hard Cubs fan. :-)
"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
I've got my ceasers ticket on my wall right now
Somehow I’ve gotten into the habit of getting Cubs to win the series bets down each year. i’m happy to say that this is the only betting i do all year.
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
I suggest Scotch!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Talisker
the best smoky flavor. Excellent Scotch.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
Noted - thanks!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Music to my ears
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
by StevenABQ on May 6, 2010 9:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
fine advice, for Cub fans
and for life in general
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Ah, the good ol' Martingale system
it never fails! (except when it does)
Fukudometer: Created 3/31/08 Wrigley Debut 4/5/08 WGN and Japan TV Debut 4/6/08 Sun Times Debut: 4/20/08 Coffee Table Debut: 7/17/08 (http://www.wearecubsfans.com)
Martingale system is great for baseball. :-)
It’s just hard to stick with it when you get in a situation like this….
Third game against an inferior opponent, win and i profit from the series, lose and i’m down BIG….
lose and i’m down BIG….
Which is why I think my advice to trade vices is a very good one.
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
Why can't you do both?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I know Lou
Has said he doesn’t want to do the tirades anymore which is fine, but he needs toshow some emotion even if it’s in a press conference. Maybe he has and I haven’t seen it but something needs to light a fire here. Lilly was not great last nite but still kept it winnable.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
by imacubman on May 6, 2010 7:36 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I think a "strategic tirade" would be most helpful right about now...
…and the “old” Lou probably would have already had at least one by now and we wouldn’t be in this mess. Unfortunately, Lou has repeatedly said he’s not that way any more and recent evidence has backed that up so if Lou were to have a tirade now, it would probably look comical and contrived. Good theatre but wouldn’t achieve its goal.
No doubt though that the team needs some firing up, i.e. a good kick in the pants. So if not Lou, then who? Next time Hendry talks to the media, should he channel a little Lee Elia? That’d be interesting. I’m pretty sure Hendry has the vocabulary to pull it off. Or maybe Tom Ricketts comes down to the locker room and gives a little inspirational speech? Win one for the Gipper Redux?
In all seriousness, I think a player has to step up and do something. The next close play that goes against us, somebody needs to object long and loud – just don’t make contact with the umpire. An ejection might help – a suspension probably doesn’t. Or maybe a dustup at 2B during a double-play. If somebody takes out Riot or Fonty with a hard slide, I’d love to see a little fire & brimstone coming right back. i keep hearing those two are scrappy – I want some proof!
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I think actually turning into a competent manager is the only thing Lou can do to help
this club. Why in the holy hell, did he bench Soto last night? I thought Lou swore he was going to play the “hot hands” this season. So, Soto hits a home run on Tuesday and is benched on Wednesday?
And by the way, Colvin has yet again disappeared. Has not had an at-bat yet this month.
Meanwhile he just keeps plugging ARAM into the lineup, while ARAM continues to have NO CLUE at the plate. NONE.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
You & I don't often agree.
But you’re 100% correct here.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I actually have to side with you on this one.
If he wants to “shake up the lineup,” why does he keep doing those same things over and over? Shaking up the lineup would involve Soto playing more often, Colvin possibly playing more often, and Tracy playing more often.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Where is Colvin going to play, though?
All of the outfielders are hitting. Soriano, Byrd, and Fukudome have hit well.
2010 is OUR year.
Good point.
I suppose he can platoon with Fukudome because we all know Dome can’t hit lefties.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
We don't know if Colvin can either at this point.
I dunno. Getting Colvin PT isn’t really the problem. It would easier if he could play third base, or even second.
Or if he could actually hit like a major leaguer with RISP unlike his teammates.
2010 is OUR year.
we keep comparing to the 2007 cubs
But they only won 85 games. that will not make the playoffs this year, so the comparison is IMHO not a happy one. The cards should win 90+ and the wild card is usually at or above 90 (88 being the lowest I found back through 2000).
With the wild card
You can never tell. The best way for the Cubs to get some separation there is during inter league play where the NL sucks. If the cubs can do well there, then we may have something.
not realistic to think so..
85 wins has never won a wild card (in a 162 game season) in either league. the Cubs need to get to 88+, and they gotta get their act together to do it.
The NL wild card,
unfortunately will not come out of the Central div.
"The Cubs are due in sixty-two." - #14
Is that a guarantee?
Because I’d say it’s way too early to decide that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Mets then? Marlins? (Insert NL west team here)? Yikes!
Agree with Al – way too early to guess WC – it usually comes down to the last month anyways.
"Hey Hey, Holy Mackerel, No Doubt About It!"
by scottsdalecubs on May 6, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
My iPhone (AtBat) says the Cubs 4 are games back in the WC race, for whatever that is worth.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
I don't think that has ever happened.
I mean, it’s technically possible, but not really.
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by D98 on May 6, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Very disappointing...
I got a real good look at this Pirates team last week in Milwaukee, where they couldn’t look good even in a win. They really are a dreadful team.
Well, it’s a homer-centric team, so I’m guessing that at the least Great American for a series should be a nice balm in the short run.
This team is disappointing
There really is no excuse. The talent that is on this roster and to lose series against the likes of the Nats, Mets, Pirates and Astros is really a joke.
I have said for awhile that Lou needs to be removed or step down. However Jim Hendry will never fire Lou. This team is listless, lifeless and any other less you can think of. This team has run its course with Lou, this is just my opinion, my hunch.
For the most part the way there starting pitching has performed you should be looking at a minimum 17-11 team. We all know batting average is over rated but goodness, Theriot, Byrd, Soriano, Soto and Dome all hitting well in the .300’s and can’t muster more than 4 runs against a team that has Zip Codes for ERA’s.
Time to look in the mirror Cubs.
I don't think it is Lou's fault!
At some point. the players have to step up and play like they are being paid to play!
Lou is already trying things to get them out of their funk, but a manager can only do so much.
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on May 6, 2010 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes and at some point, the manager has to put the players in position to win
Lou simply doesn’t do that.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
I understand the desire to replace the manager when the team is underperforming
But he has continuously tried to shake up this lineup, the personnel, and most everything he can think of. Perhaps an impassioned speech like 2007 would help; but given their penchant for regression this season, you’d have to make a speech like that every week and no one is going to pay attention to it.
A new manager may help this team. But right now they need simply to start playing like they are capable of, as a team. Lou has done all that could be in my mind for the beginning of this season. The players are who have to turn this around.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
I've been saying this for a while
I think replacing Lou could put a spark in this team.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Case in point: the 2003 Marlins.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
What about the Rockies?
Picking up Jim Tracy really catapulted those guys.
Problem with this group of Cubs
is they don’t “small ball” very well.
That is one key characteristic of winning clubs.
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
Not necessarily.
Plenty of teams have won without playing that style. But if you’re going to rely on the long ball, you also have to take pitches and get runners on base so the HR are three-run jobs, not solo HR.
The Cubs could have put Morton on the ropes last night by taking some of the pitches outside the strike zone instead of swinging at them.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
If we have to rely on 3-run homers all the time...
then we are no better than the Orioles of the last 25 years.
Small ball wins you a lot more games than the 3-run homer will over the course of a season!
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on May 6, 2010 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions
No, it doesn't.
The Orioles, in fact, won a lot of pennants with three-run homers.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And the Cardinals won too
playing small ball in the ’80s!
Come on Al, this isn’t a game of one-upmanship!
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on May 6, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
You're right.
But the Cardinals won the WS in 1982 by having great pitching. Also, that was a different, lower-scoring era. You can’t do that now.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
A balanced offense, like the '84 Cubs, would be my preference
Speed at the top, power and RBIs from the third through seventh spots. But the name of the game is getting ’em on and getting ’em in. Cubs need to lengthen the time between making outs.
Sittin' on the ledge and sippin' Kool-Aid...
I don't think one thing is going to save or lose this season.
Small ball and singles would help, more speed would help, taking walks and getting on base would help, clutch hitting would help, a consistent bullpen would help. One thing out of those alone isn’t enough; however, as the team is made up the easiest thing to accomplish is taking more walks especially with pitchers prone to a high ERA. A good place to start anyway.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
This team is horrible on the road.
It’s pretty simple. I have no idea why, but we can’t find any type of consistency on the road. We might score 10 runs tonight but we go around and score 1 on Friday.
The lineup has holes. The problem really is that everyone wants to slump at the same time and one or two hitters stay hot at a time. RISP is a problem, XBH are a problem, strike zone judgement is a problem. Aramis Ramirez looks horrible, and I don’t know what the deal is for him. We can’t expect Soriano do to everything every single night while he’s on a hot streak.
2010 is OUR year.
7-6 @! home, 6-9 on road
They are pretty much mediocre everywhere -because they are a mediocre team.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I think they will have a better record than 2005
And I sure don’t expect 2011 to be 2006!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
That was the worst season I can ever remember
So promising a couple years earlier and then the bottom of the NL. They were so embarrassing.
Imagine if Neifi hadn't saved them.
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by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't forget Glendon Rusch!
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by Nunyabidness on May 6, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
thank you for saying mediocre!
this Cub team is a win 3, lose 4 kinda team!
in other words, .500 is probably benchmark … and I hope achievable.
Right. Xavier Nady's presence is the big issue.
That’s flat ridiculous. Fuld would be a bigger nonfactor than Nady has been.
What would I do? I’m not a fan of Fontenot, so I’d give Baker more playing time. I’d move Soto higher in the order (when he’s playing, of course). I’d also give Aramis a few games off and put Tracy in the lineup.
And if all that didn’t work, and we’re four or so games under by Memorial Day … I’d probably become a seller. I know that a lot can happen between June and October, but I think the nucleus of the past few years has about three weeks to prove itself.
Hard to imagine Fuld ( or others )
Would have been WORSE than Nady. At least Fuld could have been used for defense and pinch running , not to mention bunting, drawing walks and even hitting. However since Lou does not in fact play small ball hard to say if he really would have been used but Joey Gathright would have been more use than Nady at this point.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on May 6, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, come on.
Joey Gathright was a complete waste of a roster spot. Lou didn’t even use him in the role he was signed for.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Exactly.
And Nady has hardly been used. Jessica is basically arguing that all of the Cubs problems stem from their fifth freaking outfielder.
Next.
Gotta love
That Al called her out on the recap – HEY OH! Burn!
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
You should have seen the sequence of emails.
And no, I won’t repost them here.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I think
She should start typing them on an old school typewriter and mail them to you just to get that “old timers rant” effect.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
No I am saying you need SOME change
and there is no question Nady is biggest waste of a roster spot. I think he is NOT recovered and while I know the June recovery date is supposedly only for his throwing , it is pretty clear he is not helping in any way. In these situations you usually find a way for the player to develope a minor injury and go on the DL for at least two weeks.
Can anyone seriously say the Cubs would have been WORSE with Fuld or Adduci or even Scales over Nady?
I don’t dislike him but at the moment he less useful than the 12th pitcher.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on May 6, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Change for what purpose?
Nady for Fuld would accomplish nothing.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It would add to our "scrappy" quotient
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by Nunyabidness on May 6, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Except
That we would no longer hear her pining every day for Fuld to be on the team.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
With his
.179 AVG and .583 OPS at Iowa, I don’t think Fuld would be helping too much right now either.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
Alas Fuld was injured almost as soon as he got there
and has been slow with his bat coming back from the DL. Now if someone is going to hit .180 I would prefer somene who at least can do OTHER things. Fuld can still run, field and hit and his walk rate is insane but frankly per above JUST BRING SOMEBODY up to replace Nady. Aducci, LaHair I don’t care.
I also don’t care if you are replacing the 24th and or 25th guy on the roster. At this point you do need change for changes sake and Nady is worthless. Again with more playing time he might break out of his slump but you can’t afford to give hm that time.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on May 6, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry, did you just argue that a guy hitting .180 at IOWA
should be brought up?
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by Nunyabidness on May 6, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok, Doggie
Lets go with his last 10 games since he came back. The line?
.154/.290/.521
Nothing to suggest that he would be any help at all at Wrigley…at lease not where this team needs it.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
Um actually he was hitting very well before he got injured
( which was like 8 at bats), but honestly I am willing to accept he is not fully recovered so bring up someone else .
See Below.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on May 6, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
very well in 8 at-bats!!! then by all means
let’s call him up!
Seriously, you really need to stop digging this hole and ask Sam out already
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by Nunyabidness on May 6, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
He's married.
But Jessica is a very determined individual.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Really?
I had no idea.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
She should still take the leap
maybe if he flat turned her down, she could go back to stalking Greg
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 6, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Been out really stalking today
No fewer than ten actual dogs this morning. Good day so far. I love it when someone tells me that their pooch is very shy and they are surprised they let me pet them. Dogs love me and I love dogs.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on May 6, 2010 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
He had a crappy Spring Training
and has followed that up with a crappy start to the year. Not doing anything to prove that he would help the big club. Except his nice smile. I think you might have been seduced, Jessica… :)
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
yes but you can bring someone else up if you like
I just don’t want the guy .176 who can’t field or run well to stay on the MLB roster , but if you prefer a BA over the small ball stuff ( Speed, defense and an amazing ability to draw walks) then by all means bring up LaHair , Scales or Snyder. They are all batting over .300
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on May 6, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
So.....we bring up crappy AAA players
because Nady, in extremely limited situations, hasn’t performed to your liking?
This is just plain odd. Amazing ability to draw walks? How does that benefit the team if he’s only a defensive replacement or pinch runner?
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by Nunyabidness on May 6, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
His OBP is .290
even WITH all the walks. That isn’t good enough to be any help at all at the plate. I hear what you are saying and I like his other skills and contributions. However, the 5th OF isn’t going to help ANYTHING on this team, and Fuld specifically isn’t going to change anything.
Meh.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
His OBP is .333
He drew 3 walks in one game last year and is one of the few players you will find whose
consistently draws more walks than strikeouts and if there anything the Cubs need it is is patience at the plate.
Actually a 5th OF and or another extra bench player for the “12th” pitcher CAN change things. We need people with some small ball skills , particularly some speed and ability to advance runners or get a sacrifice when needed. We have seen how a team built for a power offense and little defense or speed is doing.
Again I like Fuld’s skill set, but happy with someone else. I am sorry but Nady is total dead weight and most obvious spot to try to shake things up even a little. Basically he is caught in vicious circle. He doe not hit so Lou does not play him and he therefore does not get the opportunity to break out of his slump. This is why I would like to him replaced if just for a few weeks by someone who is or should be an actual bench player.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on May 6, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
The 5th outfielder is the most obvious spot to try to shake things up?
Really?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Actually
it’s not a terrible idea; just early. The Cubs really need to just acknowledge that this was (yet another) dubious free agent signing, and once he’s cleared for full-time play next month, trade him for something useful.
Nady is a good player. He just never fit, especially given his recovery status. Spinning him off for a nice reliever or other part would go a long way toward in-season triage.
by Damen Jackson on May 6, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed...
…The Cubs did not know Colvin would be this good when they signed Nady.
I’d still keep Nady around for awhile, especially if Fukudome falls into a summer swoon.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
I can't see the Cubs doing anything radical
so getting Nady on the DL and forcing Lou to give up the 12 pitcher to open up the roster for two more players is about as much as I can see.
Hey I would bench Rami for Tracy at this point at least for a couple of games but that is not happening.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on May 6, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, if you want "change for changes sake"...
howsabout you saying something nice about Lou?
That would be a huge change!
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
(hat tip)
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by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
What exactly has he done to merit my saying something nice?
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on May 6, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
No merit involved when you're talking about "change for changes sake"
You saying something nice about Lou would be a big change, that’s all.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Well I think change is worth doing and has an upside
I don’t see that with praising Lou. He thrives on not being praised. He was voted least like manager by the players last year so I am sure he does not care about the opinions of others.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on May 6, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't Larussa the other?
I think how well you are liked does not always translate in to success or vice versa.
"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
Hence, why his real name is Gathwrong.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
You know, I used to think this obsession with Fuld was partly an act
but come the freak on. Sam Fuld does not actually solve one problem this team has. Tyler Colvin is basically playing Fulds position right now. He pinch runs, and never actually sees the field.
And Bobby Scales? REALLY?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
Colvin is great
when Lou actually uses him, Nady is getting us ZILCH. We need to shake things up. Get Nady on the DL and go with 11 pitchers and bring two guys up. Your pick. I don’t care at this point but we need SOME change and moving A-Ram down in the order is not it.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on May 6, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Change for the sake of change rarely works
we tried that last year by firing the hitting coach. It did zilch to help the team. I don’t think getting rid of Nady and replacing him with Fuld does a damn thing to help this club
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 6, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Xavier Nady is NOT the problem!
Guys like Lee and Rami have to produce.
Show me any team (over the last 20 yrs) who has won without major contribution form their 3 & 4 hitters.
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
He is not the problem but he is not helping either
At this point I would take SCALES over Nady or Fuld, or Aducci, or LaHair. I really hope Nady discovers he has say tired arm and has to go on the DL for a few weeks. I know I am prejudiced as I felt from the the start he was not healthy and should not have been on the roster out of Spring Training . I can’t say if he is really bad or just has not have enough opportunity, but he really isn’t a bench player and he is not going to get the chance to do much else.
I really, really want Tracy to start tonight, which is a sign of how desperate I am.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on May 6, 2010 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Anything is possible, sure that could help in a small way.
But you’re beating a dead horse. The problems of the Cubs are not going to be solved by one role player replacing an underperforming role player. The only thing it would do is to show management is “doing something to help the team” and not “idly sitting by as it self destructs”. It would just be for show…let them go for it, to me it isn’t going to affect the season one way or the other.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
tired of it
Lou has lost his fire he must go now to save the season,,,Please Mr. Ricketts, do it before we get back home, to much talent not performing ,,no fire sale,,no fire sale,,no fire sale,,,just fire LOU
I simply cannot understand how people start shouting "Fire Lou!" when the team is doing bad.
It’s like they forget about 2007-2008. When is the last time a manager came in and even gave us back-to-back seasons of hope, with a team that wouldn’t be described as outstanding by any means. Sure they blew it in the play offs, but now we are supposed to expect every season to at least go to the playoffs, and if it doesn’t, we need to fire the Manager. Sometimes I question the moves Lou makes, but I am by no means MLB management material. I chalk up the strange moves as risks that a good manager probably has to take sometimes to give the team a fighting chance. I don’t see why anybody has anything bad to say about Lou, I am happy for what he has done with this club.
winning or losing
There are always vocal fans who think the manager is a bum, stupid, players don’t respond to or whatever and has to go.
Well, I didn't think Lou was all that competent then either
the 2007, and 2008 teams were very talented. ESPECIALLY the 2008 team. We still got run in the first round. Lou is an okay manager when the talent allows him to sit back and get out of the way. When he actually has to manage, he shows he’s a freaking moron.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
Sorry, but
it is not Lou’s fault that the team can’t hit!
The players HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for this problem at some point.
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on May 6, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Same here.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I dunno - the comedic value would make it worth watching
Kind of like a position player pitching in a blowout.
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by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL
Thanks for this post…gave me a good laugh on a depressing day.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
It would pretty much have to be Trammell
Not that they will get rid of him , but if they did it would be Trammell
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on May 6, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
And what would the point of that be?
Trammell would be nothing more than interim — he’s never going to manage the Cubs.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And the only time he served as manager
Was in 2007 when Lou was serving that suspension for the tirade against Atlanta.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
errr, I'd check again
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by Nunyabidness on May 6, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh my.
Permit me to Trammell. Manager of Detroit from 2003 to 2005.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll take interim Trammell
over Permanent Lou every day of the week and twice on Sunday
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by Nunyabidness on May 6, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Problem is
if they did this and Trammell did turn the team around, it would really mess up the Sandberg managing in 2011 plan.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
I'm more than okay with that.
I’m not remotely sold on Ryno being the manager in 2011
Just because he’s a great cub legend doesn’t mean he can manage a big league club.
If Trammell did turn the team around, I think he would earn a shot to be the man for a full season.
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by Nunyabidness on May 6, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying that I have a problem with that scenario
just that I’m guessing that is why it won’t happen.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
I felt a bit depressed after reading the the game thread on my way to work,
and didn’t even listen to the MLB-AM audio archive, which I otherwise always do when they played a night game.
I have no idea why this year’s team is so bipolar, especially when one looks at how good the starting pitching has been. Even the bullpen hasn’t been terrible the last couple weeks. A terrible waste when the offence can’t get their act together.
Eamus Catuli
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
Xavier Nady is product of Hendry's lousy scouting
$3.5 million for a recovering ballplayer who can’t throw to boot. Hendry makes mistake after mistake after mistake.
Indifference is indeed settling in for most Cub fans. This isn’t a good ballclub, and the audience knows it. Fortunately for some of us there are things like the Blackhawks. But once the Stanley Cup runs out, I’m doubtful to invest in this pile of dung created by Hendry. The only motivation for a lot of Cub fans is that epic change is coming….and I’m not talking about the Toyota sign.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
Indifference? No, not as long as they aren't mathematically eliminated. And even then, no.
Depression, gloom and doom are possibilities but not indifference.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
I think it's a bit premature
to say that Hendry signing Nady was a mistake. Let’s see how things look in July… then we can start that conversation.
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by digitalbenjamin on May 6, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
The size of the deal is already looking a bit mistake-y.
$3.5M don’t come for free.
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by D98 on May 6, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Now Hendry is someone I believe can be blamed for this mess.
Consistently Hendry makes ridiculous acquisitions, and for that, well…. I think a case can definitely be made for him to go. Lou on the other hand does not deserve the blame.
Now this I can completely agree with.
Hendry has saddled this team with expensive contracts with underperforming players. It’s his job to do better and I don’t see why the Cubs should keep him picking players and unwisely spending so much money. This is the business part of the game, and they need someone who does a better job.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
DFA Nady!
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
And somewhere in Pittsburgh, Chad Tracy exhales...
….knowing that BCB has another player to direct the “DFA him!” chant at.
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by carmen_fanzone on May 6, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
are the cubs
destined to chast their tails in 2010? this team is better than this. i understand that it can take time to get things in working order aka 2007.BUT.when the cardinals are in your division this is not a good strategy.and losing to teams like the pirates,not good either.while my hometown rays are 20-9 i have to watch the cubs run in circles at 13-15.about as much fun as last year.so far.
by NOMAR on May 6, 2010 8:10 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Recommended because I've never seen you use the "Shift" key before.
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by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
aNd aS we al lknow pRACTICE make Sperfect
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
Yup. I agree. Green
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
Well played.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
for the win, shanghai exclamation point
"I mean, if we can’t take Colvin after the spring he’s had, something is wrong," -- Lou
i wasn't expecting much more than a .500 season
so this start isn’t completely surprising. the fact that it’s a 13-15 start given the schedule we’ve played should make it pretty clear this team isn’t a contender. I’m kind of surprised at how often the 2007 comparison is made or how often the “its early” statement is thrown around… as Yogi once said “It gets late awfully early around here”
That being said there are some rather easy fixes to make the team better.
1) Stop sitting Soto so much. Hill’s already started 7 games, which is basically 2 per week. Most backup catchers get 1 per week
When Soto starts we average 5.14 Runs/Game
When Hill starts we average 3.57 Runs/Game
There was absolutely no reason to sit Soto last night. We didn’t have a day game today. In fact the only day game after a night game we have this week is Sunday, which should’ve been Soto’s only day off. My guess is he now gets another day off this week and we continue the 2 days off per week average rather than the 1. It seems like a small difference but giving up a run and a half a game per week is an issue
2) Stop hitting Soto 8th
He’s our most valuable hitter right now and we’re giving him the fewest AB’s. Teams are able to pitch around him when we get RISP because the pitcher is on deck. Batting him 8th is one of the stupider decisions I’ve seen made during the Pineilla tenure
3) Use Marshall in more leveraged situations, Use he and Z as multi-inning relievers
Marshall’s getting more swings and misses this year, more break on his curveball, and throwing his FB with more velocity. He’s one of the big bright spots of this year and he’s not being used appropriately. So far 1/3 of his appearances have come in games where we’re up or down by 3 or more. He’s also being used almost strictly as a 1 IP guy, having thrown 15 innings in 15 appearances.
If we use him and Z as two-inning relievers in close games to bridge the gap to Marmol, we’ll have a better chance of winning than using each of them for 1 IP and then running into them not being available. Given how often Lou likes to double switch and how he’s used Z’s bat to stay in and hit this shouldn’t be a difficult fix. And it’s going to be much needed when the SP starts to fall off a bit.
Right now we’re not scoring as many runs as we should because of an incompetent lineup construction and we’re not using our best relievers in the most efficient manner. Of course we’re going to under-perform our run expectation
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by DartmouthCubsFan on May 6, 2010 8:17 AM CDT reply actions 13 recs
You and I don't often agree.
But your three points are all valid, and would definitely help.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Good stuff.
These three things alone may not turn the season around, but they’d be savvy, logical moves. In past seasons, we’ve seen Kosuke and Aramis lead the way in showing other Cubs hitters to be patient at the plate. Geo seems to be doing that this year, and it was hard not to notice last night that, with him out of the lineup, the offense seemed to be swinging a little too freely.
The only thing remotely hopeful I can say at this point is a win tonight and two out of three from the Reds could still give the Cubs a .500 road trip.
but against
the Pirates and Reds, that is a fail for a contending team.
13-15 against our schedule so far…WOW. Just wow. Cosmic Bummer.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
The Soto hitting 8th thing is just weird
They’ve apparently said they want to see if he continues his success down there before they move him up. I simply do not understand why. Lou has rearranged every other spot and player in the lineup, but for some reason Soto is locked into the 8th spot.
Just another head scratchingly stupid decision by Lou
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
Right on.
That koolaide turned my tongue blue.
by BleedsbluinMI on May 6, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Well reasoned points, I have to agree as well.
Rec’d.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions
rec'd
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
I am sure has thought of these things already and has decided they are not the right moves.
It makes much more sense to hit ARam higher than Soto because we need to get his out over with to clear the bases for Soto.
Also, If lou used Marshall and Z for multiple innings then there would not be time for Grabow to pitch…He makes the most money so he must be our best reliever. he needs to pitch more.
3) Use Marshall in more leveraged situations, Use he and Z as multi-inning relievers
HES A LEFTY HE CANT FACE RIGHTIES
I love Marian Hossa and Patrick Kane in totally manly ways. Kinda.
by jesus christos on May 6, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Again, Ramirez keeps coming up in important spots and blows it.
They aren’t able to hide him anywhere in the lineup. Yesterday it was the regrettable sac fly and the weak K to end it. I’m not saying Chad Tracy is the answer, but there probably is tangible benefit to batting the current weakest link 8th.
he is also noticeably more upright in the box and kind of hunches during the delivery
In short, does not look comfortable. But .150 will do that to you.
by Jerry Mumphrey on May 6, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Doubtful
Ramirez is doing what a lot of players do when they are struggling. He’s cheating on fastballs and getting breaking balls. He is pulling off most everything and hasn’t stayed closed for a long time. It started at the beginning of the season when nearly every pitcher was working him away and he was making outs, some of them hard, to the opposite field. He tired of that approach and has been pulling off the ball since then.
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Something is going on..
No other way around it. His OPS is .485. He makes Ryan Theriot look like Albert Pujols right now.
To compare, remember Derrek Lee started horrible last year and everyone was asking Hoffpauir to replace him? Derrek is on May 5th — was .209/.282/.363 with a OPS of .644. Aramis looks worse than that, and has put up even worse numbers than that.
I hope he catches fire soon.
2010 is OUR year.
Don't be completely sure about that.
He may be struggling from getting older or having a bad season it’s true, but many athletes have trouble with injuries in other areas of their body they overuse to compensate for previous injuries, and everyone knows Rammy has two shoulder separations. His shoulder will never be 100% again…don’t get me wrong, it doesn’t have to be causing him trouble now, but it could be that being not completely right he has given himself an injury to compensate for it.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
he looks so lost...
…and is WAY over-compensating at the plate.
I am surprised Rudy hasnt been able to make some adjustments already.
He has not sought out Jaramillo's help
I’m surprised you didn’t catch that in yesterday’s threads.
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by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm still not sure why the hitting coach has to wait for the player to come to him
I mean, the guy’s job depends entirely on how other people perform (See Gerald Perry) why would you sit back and wait for ARAM to come to you? Why wouldn’t you go, “Aramis, I know you didn’t come to me and want to try and work this out on your own, but I noticed something last night……..” ??
It makes no sense to me
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
I suspect that help was offered and declined
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by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I doubt its as easy as that.
Jaramillo may be a coach, but in baseball the coaches seem to have a lot less power than in other sports.
Rami’s salary: $15,750,000
Rudy’s salary: < $1,000,000
Your point is no less valid or anything. I just frankly believe baseball is a sport where players have a lot more individual leeway and power vs their coaches influence than most other professional leagues.
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Swap Soto and Aram in the lineup
Simple fix
by JFCubFan on May 6, 2010 8:43 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I like this idea.
Though it’s only a simple fix for where to put the two players, it will help the team but not fix Rammy’s hitting woes.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
that makes sense on paper....
…but it will be awhile before you see a veteran of ARam’s stature be relegated to 8th in the lineup IMO. All sorts of ego and veteran issues there I bet…and most importantly it doesnt solve the problem of getting him right.
In four games time, 20 % (or in other words 1/5) will have been played.
When is early over?

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Yeah, another report card is due after the 32nd game.
And I fear this upcoming one won’t be so kind.
Nothing can be done...this year
This is a .500 club. This is what .500 clubs do. They look good for awhile, they look terrible for awhile and at the end of 162, they’ll be right around .500. But we already know that.
The same deficiencies can’t be addressed without different personnel on the field…no team speed, inability to situationally hit, routine disregard for strike zone discipline, suspect defense and bullpen woes. It’s no secret this team is maddeningly inconsistent when those shortcomings are on display nightly.
Unless they are willing to do something extremely bold to turn this roster over and acquire players with the abilities and talents currently lacking, there isn’t much that can be done. Lineup shake-ups and two-day benchings are duct-tape approaches.
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Agree completely
Which is why the first thing on Ricketts’ “to do list” should be to get a new GM and begin the painful process of fixing this mess.
My worst case scenario is that he uses a .500ish record to rationalize staying the course with Hendry.
I’m sick of hearing about upgrades to Wrigley Field. I want to see our owner put new people in place and start to change the organizational philosophy.
by bluekoolaide on May 6, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Entirely on the upgrades to Wrigley. The only upgrade anywhere near Wrigley that should be of any concern whatsoever is to the trophy case which currently stands empty.
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Let's try one first
One at a time, starting with success on the field….otherwise you’re just putting a pretty bow on a fecal sandwich.
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I disagree
The two are not related – do you think improving the park is distracting Hendry? The baseball personnel have nothing to do with it.
Rennovate the park now or move later, because it needs help.
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by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I have no problem with Ricketts making improvements...
…to Wrigley as long as he doesn’t make that the proverbial “tail that wags the dog”
I’ve often read that that was exactly P.K. Wrigley’s philosophy starting in the late 40’s/early 50’s-i.e. it’s easier to provide a beautiful park than a winning baseball team. How did that work out?
I’m not expecting miracles-I just want to feel like Ricketts is on top of it. He seems like a very sincere and nice guy and that’s great but sometimes I wish there was a little Steinbrenner-ish ego there too.
I don't believe it's becoming that way.
The park has needed fixes for many years. Further, spending money on the Triangle Building will allow more space to make for better facilities for players, perhaps allowing the team to attract better free agents.
It’s a synergy — not mutually exclusive.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Even in my wildest fantasy
I cannot imagine a free agent opting to join us because of the Triangle Building. Skip that…. I can imagine Bradley.I it might appeal to his sense of feng shui.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
You didn't really read Al's comment
The point is that the clubhouse will be bigger, there will be more workout facilities, etc. It’s a valid point.
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by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I read it
I didn’t agree with it. No player will choose us because of the Triangle Building any more than they’ll come because of the Stockyards.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Then you are completely misreading what the Triangle Building represents.
You don’t think upgraded player facilities might help attract players? That’s 100% wrong.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
They're nice to have
and we have poor facilities as it is right now. But free agents decide on money and opportunity. The lack of better digs will never induce a player to go where the terms of the deal are unacceptable. Can you name one FA that went for the facilities?
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
No, but...
… BETTER facilities at Wrigley might sway someone who was undecided before.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
A player may not choose the Cubs...
…solely because of the Triangle Building, but it could easily tip some guys into the “yes” column considering how small and outdated the Cubs training facilities have been over the years.
Come on
let’s be pragmatic. Can you really imagine that happening? Can you name one player who didn’t come here because of the facilities?
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Yeah, I can imagine it.
That’s why I posted the comment. And, no, I can’t name such a player, but I’m not sure how anyone (besides an agent, maybe) would know that.
It's pretty easy to criticize Ricketts this early in the game
When he purchased the Cubs, this is the situation he inherited. He’s a Cubs fan himself, so if things were so bad that they required his intervention, I don’t think he’d waste time. He’s doing the things an owner should do.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
It was too late in the game to fire Hendry when the sale was complete
A new GM wouldn’t have had time to implement a strategy before the winter meetings.
Sweeping changes right now aren’t likely to turn this Cub team into a pennant contender. The ownership is viewing this as a long-term commitment. They don’t NEED to win it all in 2010, because it’s not their only shot. I think they want to build an organization that is capable of winning every year. Blowing things up in May isn’t the way to go about that.
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by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
The two are not related…but commenting on what is going on around the park is currently only serving to distract from what is not going on inside it. The Ricketts’ can do what they want, and obviously it’s early, but it doesn’t take four months of baseball to figure out this team is in need of significant changes. If Ricketts’ went out and said that, perhaps the play would improve. Then again, perhaps not.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
How would you feel if your boss publicly stated you weren't getting results
1 month into a 6-month process?
All what you are suggesting would do is make fans feel better – until the team went out and got beat the next day by a pitcher with an ERA over 6.
Patience, grasshopper.
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by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Trust me, as a lifelong Cubs fan, one thing I have...
…in spades is patience. at the same time though, as I start to approach middle age, I’d love to think that there’s at least a slight chance that i could see a WS in my lifetime.
As i said, I’m not looking for instant miracles-I get that it takes time. I’ll have very littel problem sitting through two or three bad seasons if I feel like they Cubs are moving in th eright direction.
Right now though, they’re (at best) treading water and that seriously bums me out.
It doesn't bum me out because I had low expectations
Sure, I WANT them to win this year, but I see a team too flawed to have a great chance.
However, I really do think that they are moving twoards being an organization that expects to be at or near the top every year – and 2010 isn’t really even part of the plan, because Ricketts didn’t have time before 2010 to MAKE it part of the plan.
It’s coming. I believe that. Just probably not this year – and I wouldn’t blow up the future on a longshot this year.
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by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree on the low expectations
I went into this season feeling exactly the same way. But there’s also always a small part of me that hopes Could be wrong and they could catch fire like ’84, ’89 or ’03. Then they win three or four in a row and, against my better judgement, I let them draw me back in.
I also understand that I have to refrain from judging Ricketts before he’s really had a chance to do anything, good or bad.
And i certainly don’t advocate mortgaging the future-esp. this year since, as you noted, it’s way too much of a longshot
by bluekoolaide on May 6, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not so desperate to change the guard at GM right now
You can change a manager a lot easier and with more potential for results than changing a GM during the season.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
So the Ricketts should wait to upgrade Wrigley Field...
…until…what?…the team wins the World Series? How would you define “success on the field”?
Agree, although it'll be hard to move the personnel
Between the NTCs, the big contracts, and the fact that the Cubs need to hang onto some veteran talent it won’t be quite so easy to turn over the roster. Maybe bringing up Castro and Cashner might cause a spark. Beyond that, my feeling is that any kind of shakeup will be something along the lines of an emotional tirade or a brawl.
Sittin' on the ledge and sippin' Kool-Aid...
It's tough to turn the roster over.
I don’t even know who can be added after this season. Carl Crawford would be awesome, but he’s pretty much exclusively a LF, and we already have one of those. Plus, there is way too much noise coming from NYY about Crawford – they usually get what they want.
I don’t even know. Carlos Pena? Sit this offseason out and wait for a true difference-maker? It’s a rough situation to be in.
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by D98 on May 6, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I would love Crawford
but the only way that’ll happen is if we trade Soriano and we’d have to pay half his salary.
2010 is OUR year.
Tampa Bay
has the best record in baseball right now. I don’t expect they would be moving anyone until the offseason.
That's why I said "...who can be added after this season."
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by D98 on May 6, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
this gets into a long post
i made in the Josh parody thread, but the Cubs have done a poor job at keeping roster flexibility (not just payroll flexibility) by tying up lots of long-term contracts in RF, LF, 1B, 3B, the four positions down the defensive spectrum
this lack of flexibility, by tying up all those roster spots with long-term deals, has cost the team the ability to tactically take chances on low-cost high-upside signings that often present themselves at those positions AND the ability to tactically target ELITE FA’s in their prime at those positions (Tex and Crawford are the two guys in this generation who are hitting FA in their prime). This doesn’t happen often and the Cubs weren’t positioned to take advantage of either one
The Cubs have made the mistake of tying their hands up in the positions that are most readily available thru FA. Up-the-middle premium talent does not come into FA. It just doesn’t happen. This amongst a number of other things are why the Cubs haven’t been able to build anything other than a 80-90 win team.
Wilken’s focus on drafting up the middle is helping to change this and will with a future loaded with Soto, Castro, Jackson, Lee, etc as up the middle potential above average to elite players. I just hope the organization figures out how to allow itself not only payroll flexibility but roster flexibility so they can take advantage tactically through FA in the future
I’ve been debating about putting a big fanpost together on this and what differentiates the Cubs from other perennial contenders. If people are interested let me know
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by DartmouthCubsFan on May 6, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'd read it
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by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Please do!
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by AndrewJStone on May 6, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
yes
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Do it
Are you familiar with the old robot saying, "Does not compute"?
by dr stabbingworth on May 6, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
♬ ♩ "Do it... Do it... Do it 'til you're satisfied..." ♬ ♫
“whatever it is….”
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It all begins with starting pitching...
And Ted Lilly was very hittable last night. His velocity wasn’t overpowering and his fastballs were promptly crushed by the Pirates. Having said that, this was a very winnable game for the Cubs. Al made a good point talking about Aram’s sac fly that should have been an RBI walk. Small play that was actually a big play in the game. Is it too early to call tonight’s game a must win? I dont’ think so…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
Ted Lilly's velocity is NEVER overpowering
His success is predicated on his ability to throw strikes with his curve ball.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
Lilly threw 56 strikes in 73 pitches last night.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
okay.........
I’m not sure if that was intended to be a rebuttal or just an FYI comment.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
Just FYI....
… and I presume many of those strikes were via his curve.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
his velo
has dipped 2 more MPH
he’s now throwing 85
while he can get by with good location and changing speeds, he’s going to give up a lot of HRs and that’s going to hurt him from being a #2-#3 as he has been in recent years and make him more of a #4
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by DartmouthCubsFan on May 6, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Lilly gave up 4 runs in 6 IP
That’s merely below average for him. And definitely not enough to put the game out of reach.
by Jerry Mumphrey on May 6, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Call up Castro and bat him #1 or #2
This team needs a guy who can steal a base and manufacture a run. Castro is very fast, though admittedly he is still learning how to be a good base stealer. But as we saw again last night, this team has plenty of guys in the lineup with decent enough batting averages, but it is all station-to-station running and once and a while some HRs. Great, Fukudome draws BB and Theriot gets singles. Unless someone hits a gapper they don’t score and, right now, Lee and Ramirez are not hitting the doubles that would drive them in.
Calls for another power hitter like Pena? Pointless. Saying “it all begins with starting pitching” makes no sense. The starting pitching is more than adequate and how about giving Lilly a few starts to get his groove back? I’m not worried about him or the SP.
This offense needs speed and a top of the order guy. This team needs the 2003 Kenny Lofton effect and if they can’t find a guy out there to grab, which seems unlikely, Castro is as close as they can get. I suppose the Royals now have a glut of middle infielders but I would not call any of them speedsters other than Getz, who would be hard to ‘getz.’ Maybe when Brian Roberts comes back in June the Cubs can get him cheap given the injury, doubtful though
Castro isn't that kind of guy.
He simply is not ready yet. There is absolutely no reason to call him up now.
You hit on the main point when you said:
Lee and Ramirez are not hitting the doubles that would drive them in.
There are plenty of baserunners and opportunities. The Cubs’ .345 team OBA is fourth in the NL (and only two points behind 2nd place). They just have to get the hits with runners on base. Starlin Castro isn’t the answer.
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by Al Yellon on May 6, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're wrong Al
Castro is ready. No, he isn’t a base-stealer but he is absolutely more athletic than anyone on their current roster and can go from 1st to 3rd with ease. He is destroying AA pitching and was one of their better players in spring. He would help this club now no mater where you play him.
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Have you actually seen him play?
I haven’t, either (except in spring training), but from what I hear, he’s not ready.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Hitting wise, from what I've seen.
He’s ready. Base-stealing ability (which I haven’t seen) he is not ready. His defense is great, range-wise, he just has to be alittle more relaxed at times.
For comparison sake, he’s more ready than what Felix Pie was (hitting wise) in 2008.
2010 is OUR year.
You're only going on his numbers.
I’ve heard he still needs to work on strike-zone judgment, and that would be far more difficult facing major league pitchers instead of Double-A pitchers.
Promote him to Iowa, sure. But not Chicago.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
No I'm not.
I said hitting wise — from what I’ve seen. Video and actually going to the games in Tennessee, he’s ready, in my opinion. And I’m not the only one believes that.
His caught stealings and baserunning ability — I have not seen and yes I’ve got from the numbers. His strike-zone judgement is up for debate, neither of us knows if his judgement would be good enough to survive in the MLB. But just because he doesn’t take walks like you would want doesn’t mean his strike zone judgement is bad. He’s hit everywhere he’s been.
2010 is OUR year.
Against Double-A and lower pitchers.
Even a lot of his spring training hitting was against minor league pitchers.
Let him prove he can hit at Triple-A first.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Once again
their are not many pitchers in AAA that are alot better than what’s in AA. Alot of top prospects are in AA.
2010 is OUR year.
True.
Nevertheless, I want to see him dominate another level before he is simply jumped to the major leagues for no particular reason.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I agree with this...so many rookies have been delayed or destroyed
By calling them up unproven and unseasoned. I disagree that it would be for no particular reason…(though I know you didn’t mean it really)…the reason would be desperation which is never a good idea for a big prospect to me.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
AA has more stuff
AAA pitchers tend to have more experience and more command of their breaking stuff
so while AA has more prospects it doesn’t mean they have better pitchers
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by DartmouthCubsFan on May 6, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
My point was simply to highlight the type of player I think this offense desperately needs
Castro, best case scenario, can be that type of player. Now, if there is a way to get a top of the order speedster in another fashion I’m all ears. He may be ready, he may not be but my god, this whole thing (and i’m not speaking to anything you’ve said Al) about how these prospects should be babied and we should all fret about the psychological impact of what would happen if he comes up and struggles and gets sent down – give me a break. There are no tomorrows in baseball. The guy could get hurt later this year in the minors and never play again. You think he doesn’t want a chance with the big leagues Nunyabideness? Lunacy? I have no idea what you are talking about. What is the “lunacy?” The Cubs aren’t 4-20 they are a couple wins away from .500 and their clubhouse chemistry is fine. What lunacy are you talking about?
The Rangers called up Justin Smoak, who is batting under .200 but is drawing walks and getting on base and learning the game. They are being patient with Smoak. If it doesn’t work out and Smoak goes back down he gained some valuable experience. Now I agree if Lou is just going to stick Castro on the bench its pointless, but that was not my recommendation
by BeltwayCubsFan on May 6, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Smoak is an irrelevant comparison.
Castro is 20. Smoak is 23. Smoak played major college ball, equivalent to a couple years in the low minors. He has much more experience than Castro, including more than 200 at-bats in Triple-A.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Pie was 23, and the Cubs bailed on him after 90 AB in 2008.
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by D98 on May 6, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
At which time...
… he had over eight hundred plate appearances in Triple-A!!!
Castro has zero PA in Triple-A.
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Which is why,
And I agree with you on this. If he’s promoted, he needs to go to Iowa.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I simply don't want him being exposed to this situation in any fashion.
The Cubs have demonstrated an intractable unwillingness to get their young players into games.
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what's the situation?
How is the Cubs situation any different than all the teams in the ML hovering around .500 and underperforming? Why is everyone making it out like the Cubs franchise is some unmitigated disaster? They are a .500 team with some big salaries, I just don’t understand what “situation” Castro would be exposed to that would be sooooo shocking to him.
by BeltwayCubsFan on May 6, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Playing once a week maybe?
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
Exactly.
Sitting around, not playing, while the team struggles and eventually starts to get indifferent. Getting a couple plate appearances a week, and god forbid if he winds up hitting .220 over those 80 plate appearances, because then we ship him off for Aaron Heilman.
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by D98 on May 6, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
So now AAA experience is the barometer for ML readiness?
That’s an imperfect litmus test.
by BeltwayCubsFan on May 6, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
While some others who are AA ready:
Grabow
Samardzija
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
lol
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by cooliogirl47 on May 6, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
While Castro
is almost ready there are some flaws in his game. He needs to improve on his defense alittle and his base stealing ability isn’t very good.
2010 is OUR year.
Literally the last thing I want to see is Starlin Castro introduced to the lunacy
that is Lou Pineilla’s managing. We already have one promising you position player that is being completely jerked around and misused. Honestly, the way Colvin has been used this season, Jim Hendry needs to step in and say
“Lou, if you aren’t ACTUALLY going to play Colvin 2-3 times a week like we agreed was needed then he’s not yours, and you can’t have him”
Send Colvin down to Iowa where he can play every day and continue to progress and bring up Fuld or some other bench warmer who can sit for seven straight days, and then pinch run.
Bringing Castro up right now, when there doesn’t seem to be any plan of attack or identity to this team sounds like just about the worst idea I’ve heard since signing Milton Bradley to a three year deal.
I don’t know if Colvin is WORTHY of playing 2-3 times a week right now, we simply haven’t seen enough of him to know that. But when he has gotten remotely consistent playing time he’s looked good. This constant yo-yoing between seeing NO time, and then playing like two days in a row, and then getting NO time is not healthy for a young player. I worry we’d see the same with Castro
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 6, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
If Lou played Castro like Colvin
he shouldn’t be managing. The obvious thought would be to play Castro everyday, and move Theriot to second.
2010 is OUR year.
yes and the obvious thought was that Colvin would get 2-3 starts per week.
and that hasn’t happened since about the second week of the season.
Lou’s use of this roster has simply been mind boggling at times (OFTEN TIMES) and I don’t want our supposed star shortstop anywhere near him. I simply don’t trust Lou to handle the situation properly
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
After the Pie situation, I agree completely.
Leave Starlin Castro out of this mess.
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by D98 on May 6, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
LEAVE STARLIN ALONE!
I love Marian Hossa and Patrick Kane in totally manly ways. Kinda.
by jesus christos on May 6, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
what exactly would be different if Colvin were playing?
Nothing, that’s what. If you all got your wish Soriano would have been on the bench instead of tearing up the NL.
by BeltwayCubsFan on May 6, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
What exactly would be different if Castro were playing?
Nothing, that’s what.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
That's your opinion
and i suppose that’s the whole point of this discussion. It is like theorizing on whether or not trading for Adam Dunn would help or hurt the Cubs. Everyone can make a case for a different point of view
by BeltwayCubsFan on May 6, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Much like your opinion that nothing would be bettter if Colvin was playing
more than once every ten days.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 6, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Where would he play besides left field?
It’s easy to say play him, Lou is an idiot!
But where? I think most fans would agree Soriano has not been played too much given his performance.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
he can play all three outfield positions
which is what he has done since the season started. Byrd has been AWFUL versus righties, so there’s one spot right there.
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by Nunyabidness on May 6, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
not saying he plays against rightites instead of Byrd all the time
but he could get some starts there. Dome can sit more than he has. And Soriano can sit more than he has.
Lou keeps mentioning an outfield “rotation” but doesn’t actually rotate anything. I’m not saying Colvin needs to play every day. But it wouldn’t be that hard to find him 2-3 starts a week if Lou actually tried.
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by Nunyabidness on May 6, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Soriano and Byrd should sit more than they have?
Dome should sit more? I agree it’s possible to get him more starts, but not the level you suggest. Sitting Sori on a hot streak is not wise, and many times Byrd has been the only contributor amongst the middle of the lineup. This would be a move simply to make a move with those suggestions.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry but Soriano still sux and will be outperformed by 90% of LFers in the league
The D-backs series was a mirage.
by Jerry Mumphrey on May 6, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
what lunacy are you talking about?
The team is a couple games below .500 and has decent enough team chemistry. What exactly is the lunacy you are referring to? You are overdramatizing the situation
by BeltwayCubsFan on May 6, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Lou is a wildly incompetent manager and he does not handle the roster remotely well
Lunacy was clearly hyperbole, but in my opinion Lou Pineilla is a very bad manager. His misuse of young players (demonstrated yet again with Colvin) is something I want no part of with Castro.
If I truly believed that Lou would start Castro every day, and that bringing him here would change ANYTHING I’d be all for it. I don’t believe either would happen. And your assertion that Castro’s career could end tomorrow, so we should just go ahead and bring him up is ridiculous. That’s not how you run a team if you actually want to build a foundation.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
I value your opinion
about calling a young guy up and not using him properly. That’s valid and something that can be detrimental to his development. I think we are saying variations of the same thing – I agree that calling Castro up and having him play once a week would be a very bad move.
That said, if you ask me if I’d rather have Castro batting 2nd – even unproven as he is – or Jeff Baker, I’m going to roll the dice with Castro. I also don’t think there is anymore pressure on Castro than there would be on Colvin: this isn’t a pennant run, the team isn’t in first place, I honestly don’t think he will be viewed as a savior, simply a guy who can address a team shortcoming
by BeltwayCubsFan on May 6, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Calling up Castro right now would be flirting with disaster IMO
I don’t care how talented this kid is, i don’t want a twenty year old placed in the position of having to be a savior on a team of overpriced, underperforming veterans.
That’s way too much pressure and it runs the risk of retarding his developmental process.
Bring him up in September-let him adjust to the majors gradually and don’t expect miracles.
by bluekoolaide on May 6, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
September is too late
Bring him as soon as we agree that the playoffs are improbable. Add Cashner if we can unload one of out starters. This team doesn’t need tweaking. It needs a different type roster with much more speed and defense.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
For every Dwight Gooden
There are a lot more can’t miss prospects that failed after getting called up as a desperation move. We have seen too many farm prospects called up without fundamentals alone to see they need time in the minors. Calling him up early from AA is a horrible idea.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
The Unfinished Product Syndrome (as I call it)
There have been many Cub farm products that have demonstrated great raw ability but lacked the refinement needed to make them complete ballplayers. Shawon Dunston had a terrific arm and good range but awful plate discipline. Terry Adams had good stuff but lousy command and a tendency to nibble. Corey Patterson, Kyle Farnsworth, and Felix Pie all had holes in their game that prevented them from truly blossoming.
To me, those holes had to do with those players being rushed before they were ready. They also had to do with the lack of proper instruction in the minor league system.
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It's the abject refusal to stick with any kind of plan.
As an example, Lou and Hendry had Felix Pie on such an unfathomably short leash that he was basically cast aside after 90 underwhelming plate appearances as a 23 year old centerfielder.
This year, the Cubs made public proclamations that Tyler Colvin would start multiple games every week. Instead, they’ve buried him on the bench, despite his 143 OPS+. He has 9 starts total, and none this month. In fact, he has no plate appearances this month!
As another example of our lack of direction, look at the “Marlon Byrd will leadoff against lefties” era. Putting aside the notion of whether that was a good plan or a bad plan — it lasted one game! And he went 3-4! And that plan was promptly forgotten.
It’s not even a case of the team being incompetent – it’s that they are rudderless! As on organization, they have no patience, no attention span, and are constantly distracted by (and spend all their efforts addressing) the latest “problem” that’s immediately in front of them.
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by D98 on May 6, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
In grudging defense of Lou and Hendry re; Pie...
…when he came up, the Cubs were not in a position to give him 400-500 AB’s to make the adjustment to the majors as they were a team built to win right away. They simply couldn’t afford to be that patient.
He’s actually in a much better situation in Baltimore
by bluekoolaide on May 6, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
that's not accurate
when he came up we had no one else in CF and a terrific offense. We won the division by a wide margin.
They had a chance to let it play out but decided to move quickly on Edmonds. The Edmonds move was good for the 2008 season, but very damaging long-term
Without Edmonds the Cubs still would’ve won that division and maybe we’d still have Pie
hindsight is 20-20 sure, but given Edmonds wasn’t a certainty when he came over, giving Pie time to play every day seemed like an OBVIOUS decision at the time
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by DartmouthCubsFan on May 6, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
It was only damaging because of our choke in post season
Pie was nowhere near ready in ‘08. He needed to play every day and, I’m sorry, but, with the possible exception of the ’27 Yankees, no contending team can afford to carry an everyday player flirting with the Mendoza line.
by bluekoolaide on May 6, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
?
There are quite a few contending teams who are doing that right now.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 6, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
how do you have any idea whether he was ready in '08 or not?
he got less than 100 big league PA’s and they were sporadic
in ‘09 he posted a .763 OPS in 281 PA’s in the tougher league
you have no base to suggest certainty regarding whether he was ready or not
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by DartmouthCubsFan on May 6, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Colby Rasmus did it for most of the year last year in STL.
This is what good organizations do. They work their top prospects in, and they don’t freak out when they aren’t immediately successful.
Where would Boston be if they’d totally freaked out about Dustin Pedroia’s 98 plate appearances worth of .191/.258/.303, .561 OPS in 2006 at age 22?
Because I don’t even know if I can find a more perfect analogy than that. And we know what the Cubs did with their 98 plate appearance sample size, and we know what the BoSox did with theirs.
But hey, Aaron Heilman! Sweeeet.
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by D98 on May 6, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
The Edmonds move wasn't damaging in any sense.
Pie was still 23, and could have played a role on the 2008 team.
In 2009, Edmonds should have been retained, and Pie could have taken more of his AB vs. RHP. This has the awesome side effect of leaving Dome in RF and never signing Milton.
In 2010, Edmonds could have been our 4th OF, or he could have gone off to MIL.
Transitioning from an aging veteran with something left in the tank to a raw-yet-talented rookie trying to learn the ropes isn’t a “problem”. It’s the best possible situation! And the Cubs managed to completely screw it up.
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by D98 on May 6, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I believe Felix is still competing for playing time with the O's.
Er, actually, he’s injured and out for three months.
That injury stinks for him.
Because the whole playing time battle was turning into a rout in his favor. Reimold was not getting it done.
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by D98 on May 6, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe you hit the nail on the head
We still have a huge payroll that should be contending. So Hendry tries to tweak a roster that has huge long term commitments. It can’t be done. When you have to take Z and use him as setup man, it admits the team make up is flawed. We should have gotten a quality 8th inning guy over the winter instead of thinking Grabow was good enough. This team should have hit the ground running with our early competition. Instead, the air came out of the balloon and this season will probably be a bust. If $140M doesn’t almost guarantee a playoff spot, I’d say the top of the decision makers haven’t done their job.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
I think Hendry was looking for another bullpen arm over the winter.
He just couldn’t find one or get any of those he did have contact with (Capps, Park) to agree to a signing.
I agree
However, a $140M team shouldn’t have that problem. My position is that Hendry had overextended himself and, as a result, couldn’t compete for an essential ingredient in a playoff team. Look at the past years and we have had major problems filling that role. The budget limitation from the current year only exacerbated that problem.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Perhaps.
But that raises the issue of whether a team should pay big bucks for a reliever in the first place.
Obviously that's a debateable issue
However, if I’m a GM, I want to win almost every game that I’m leading after 7 innings. That means I get quality set up and closer guys. I’d be willing to spend dollars on them. The rest of the bullpen I’d be more flexible.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Haven't agreed with a lot you've said before
But this I sure have to. The payroll and underperforming players have been a weight around the neck of the team for awhile, and Hendry seems to keep picking players with low salaries that are junk, with a 3 million player like Nady thrown in there to compensate for a lack of payroll to spend. Byrd is the only good selection he’s made recently in my mind, too many like Bradley and Miles and Nady and on and on. They have to settle for junk and it’s killing the team.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
no
I love Marian Hossa and Patrick Kane in totally manly ways. Kinda.
by jesus christos on May 6, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Be patient.
Unless they have significant injuries that require extensive DL time, I think Lee and Aramis will hit well. Don’t make knee jerk response moves. Of course it can get late early, but if the Cubs pursue more knee jerk responses then replacing the Manager should be in order.
It's getting pretty late for Aramis to put up decent season totals.
WIth 20% of the season gone, Aramis is going to have posted an OPS in the mid-.400s.
I mean, it’s possible that he’ll be able to climb back to his career averages. But that would take one hell of a hot streak.
If he immediately became “good Aramis” today, and posted an .840 OPS for the rest of the season, he’s still going to wind up with his worst season since 2002. If this keeps up for another month, he’s pretty much guaranteeing that this is going to be the worst season of his career.
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by D98 on May 6, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Disagree 100%
Texeira starts every year like this, it only takes a couple hot weeks for his BA to get back up to .250
by BeltwayCubsFan on May 6, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Teixeira's career April split is a .753 OPS.
Aramis just posted a .485 OPS.
There’s a massive difference between Teix hitting .235 in April (his career mark) and Aramis hitting .154 or whatever.
I don’t think that Teix has posted a month like Aramis just did in his entire career.
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Actually, if you look at SLG%
for this year only, Tex is only at .286 while Ramirez is at .269. So there is some similarity there, this season. Tex is only hitting .178 to Ramirez’s .150.
Tex wasn’t as bad as Ramirez thus far in 2010, but his start to the season has been quite similar Ramirez’s
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
We're not losing to good teams
We’re getting beaten by terrible teams. Since we cannot expect the starting pitching to get any better than it has been, where are the victories going to come from.
Our defense and speed is below average and won’t improve. Our bullpen can be expected to do a better job than in the past so that’s a plus. Our offense will probably remain about the same. Lee and Ramirez will be more effective. But Theriot, Fukudome, Soto and Byrd will most likely regress.
Bottom line versus a tougher schedule ahead is a .500 club at best. I can easily see us 10 games back by June 1. If that happens, it’s time for a call to the minors. Piniella and Hendry will have to agree that our present window of opportunity will probably pass after this year and it’s time to unload big salaries if possible. We’ll still be stuck with Soriano and probably Ramirez, but I’d make everyone else available for the right deal.
After the All Star break I expect to see Castro and Colvin playing regularly. Frankly, this team has underperformed too often to believe they’re invaluable.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
by tharr on May 6, 2010 9:29 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
About the only thing we can be happy about today....
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 9:33 AM CDT reply actions
Well, the Blackhawks did win last night.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Thank God for the Hawks
For a few hours I was able to get the Cubs out of my head and go to bed happy.
A Stanley Cup would do a lot to get me through a disappointing, frustrating baseball season.
by bluekoolaide on May 6, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Got that right.
Having playoff hockey sure helped so far this season. What a bright spot for the city and it’s fans!
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I almost feel guilty being happy for them, almost, but not quite
(whispers)…go blackhawks
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by cooliogirl47 on May 6, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Another positive note..
This team’s streaky nature is making it very easy for me to hang the W flag this season; I just leave it up, or leave it down.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will
Another positive note -
Aramis Ramirez is incredibly unlikely to opt out of his contract after this season!
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by D98 on May 6, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
are we sure that's a positive?
I kid, I kid.
Sortof
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
At just under .500 with Lee and Rami
at .200 (combined) is pretty good – it’s all on them at this point
except that we're just under .500
with a schedule that has seen us play 7 games out of 28 against teams that are over .500 right now. And those two teams that are over .500 are a COMBINED three games over.
against teams not from Milwaukee, we’re 8-14
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
Apart from the Cardinals and Astros...
… the entire NL is within five games of .500. You could make a reasonable argument that all the other 14 teams are essentially equal.
The only real bad series the Cubs had was losing 2 of 3 to the Astros. That should not have happened.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
How about losing 2 of 3 (at least) to the Pirates
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
and even if you want to use the .500 argument
how about the fact that the only reason our record is as good as it is (vomit) is because we’re 5-1 against the Brewers?
8-14 against the rest of the NL is BAD
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by Nunyabidness on May 6, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not penalizing anyone
I’m simply pointing out that besides the Brewers, we’ve gotten pretty well owned by every team we’ve played
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by Nunyabidness on May 6, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Including Arizona?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
yes, so we've won a series against one other team
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 6, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
You are all missing the point, which is...
…. that ALL the teams in the league are having this same kind of thing go on. The Dodgers — a presumed contender — are getting crushed by the Brewers this week, while the same Dodgers lost a series to the Pirates.
This will take a while to sort itself out.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
that's exactly my point
which is why i fail to understand why people are making it out like the Cubs have some “mess” or insane “situation” Castro will be placed in. He’s joining a .500 team early in the season. If you want to argue that he’s not ready that is one thing, but to argue that he’s being placed into some pressure-packed situation right now I don’t buy it one bit. This is about as pressure-less as it can get in Chicago, unless you want to speculated and say in September when the team is out of playoff contention is the time to bring him up – when he can face AAA retreads also called up via expanded rosters and thus not really provide any gauge of what he might do in 2011.
by BeltwayCubsFan on May 6, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
My objections to Castro coming in have NOTHING to do with pressure
They have to do with the team having a manager I don’t think is competent, and has shown a propensity to jerk around young players.
BUT if you don’t think there will be a “Castro Watch” every single day in the Tribune, you’ve got another thing coming.
I guess my question is why are you so adamantly in favor of him coming up? If you think he can help turn this thing around, then isn’t that quite a bit of pressure?
If it’s all about just getting him major league atbats against Major League pitchers, then wait until July and he’s had a few more months in the minors to really see what he can do.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 6, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm really not adamantly in favor
I was simply posting a response to Al’s question of ‘what would you do.’ And, given the payroll situation, other factors there are very limited mechanisms at the team’s disposal to change the course if in fact the goal is to make a change. I was more adamant about the response to it that seemed to focus on Castro entering a supposed ‘mess.’
by BeltwayCubsFan on May 6, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I personally would have preferred
Winning more than one series against a team not from Milwaukee at this point. And I think the Cubs are certainly good enough to have done so, too.
I might even throw in the Reds series from April, we should not have lost that one either.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
We just have to get through these games vs the tough teams and get to the easy part of the schedule!
You know,
I don’t think there is much of an easy stretch in the schedule come May 17. We need to take advantage of the teams now, and we simply are not doing that.
From May 17-May 30, the schedule becomes MUCH tougher.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
So if you are saying the Cubs are already playing the easy part, you would be implying the Cubs are not a good team and that The other bad teams are fatteneing up vs the Cubs.....
This is impossible! This is a good team that is full of life and energy! Lou is a HOF manager who knows the out of this!
Does Arizona count?
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Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on May 6, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I wasn't overwhelmed
by our series against the Mets
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
You must have forgotten
who they were playing.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
When a player goes from first to second,
And the opposing team pays no attention to his advancing a base. It usually happens in the ninth innings when the team that is batting is trailing.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
and it doesn't count as a steal
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by Nunyabidness on May 6, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep, that's also the case.
MLB Gameday said Ryan Theriot stole a base against Milwaukee a few weeks ago, but it was actually DI. Ended up not mattering much, as Fukudome hit the game-winning two-run single in that at-bat a few pitches later.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Many would say
that refers to Soriano’s defense. However the real answer is,,,,,,,,,drum roll please.
It is when a runner id allowed to advance a base without any attempt to stop him. Usually the 1st baseman doesn’t hold the runner close and the 2nd baseman and SS don’t make an attempt to cover the base should the runner advance from 1st.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
from mlb.com official rules section
(g) The official scorer shall not score a stolen base when a runner advances solely because of the defensive team’s indifference to the runner’s advance. The official scorer shall score such a play as a fielder’s choice.
Rule 10.07(g) Comment: The scorer shall consider, in judging whether the defensive team has been indifferent to a runner’s advance, the totality of the circumstances, including the inning and score of the game, whether the defensive team had held the runner on base, whether the pitcher had made any pickoff attempts on that runner before the runner’s advance, whether the fielder ordinarily expected to cover the base to which the runner advanced made a move to cover such base, whether the defensive team had a legitimate strategic motive to not contest the runner’s advance or whether the defensive team might be trying impermissibly to deny the runner credit for a stolen base. For example, with runners on first and third bases, the official scorer should ordinarily credit a stolen base when the runner on first advances to second, if, in the scorer’s judgment, the defensive team had a legitimate strategic motive—namely, preventing the runner on third base from scoring on the throw to second base—not to contest the runner’s advance to second base. The official scorer may conclude that the defensive team is impermissibly trying to deny a runner credit for a stolen base if, for example, the defensive team fails to defend the advance of a runner approaching a league or career record or a league statistical title.
My universal translator just exploded.
Care to rewrite this in English?
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"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
This was an embarrasing loss
Thank goodness I had a softball game instead of watching another disaster. A 0-5 pitcher with a 12 era, that I can almost guarantee you will be at AAA soon, dominates Cubs.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
it follows our MO, though
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
spelling fail *embarrassing*
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
It's refreshing in this texting age to see a contributor worried about that.
Plus with seeing so many of my own posts posted too soon to change an error, I sure have tried to refrain from pointing out any spelling errors besides funny ones.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks
I think I’m overly-sensitive of the public criticism that comes from spelling errors. By self-correcting, I’m taking the possible argument (or lack thereof) out of the equation.
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
Did the Pirates switch starters tonight?
I thought it was Duke but I see it is Burres.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
Rationalization run amuk
I read through these posts and shake my head. This is a 75 win type ballclub, yet many of you keep professing disappointment with the results so far….as if this is really a 95 win type team that is simply underperforming, unlucky, etc. HOGWASH. This team is playing to the level of reasonable expectations for it!
My Lord, LOOK at the rotation….Gorzellaney, Silva and a Lilly topping the gun at 86 MPH form 3/5ths of the rotation. LOOK at the linuep card…a still dysfunctional group of aging aggressively swinging hitters who couldn’t manufacture a run if you put a gun to their heads….the ONLY semi-positive in the lineup for the long haul is Geovany Soto (MAYBE).
Not so good ballcub playing to expectations, NOT a great team playing poorly for a stretch or injury plagued or unlucky.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
We're gonna get swept by the Pirates....
aren’t we?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 6, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Magic 8 ball says...

In all seriousness, I wouldn’t be surprised if it actually did happen.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Arguments always look soooo much better when you use CAPS to emphasize every point.
Wheeee….who knows if we’ll get swept…yesterday even I’d say it was impossible. Right now it would probably give me a good laugh.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I have agreed with BLou
all year on this unfortunately. I do think this is a 75-85 win team and I don’t see us making the playoffs. The start against poor competition has done nothing to change that perception.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
I don't see a point in what he posted or you did.
If the team is horrible and can’t do any better with making moves, what is the point of watching them or pointing it out? Other than to complain or get attention there is no point to debating this to me.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
See, I don't see much of a point with this approach
People can be fans of a team, and still think that team is mighty flawed. They can also HOPE that the team wins more than they think they will, but still be frustrated when they don’t.
The point of pointing it out is to vent about their frustrations, and since we talk about every freaking thing else on here, I don’t know why people get so bent out of shape about it.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
I predicted 85-90 wins.
And I stand by that prediction.
Though, is this series a bump in the road or a sign of bigger problems? Time will tell. However, until I see something other than wildly inconsistent bats, I won’t be able to say what this series represents.
I don’t remember anyone ever suggesting this was a 95-win team. Not in this thread, not anywhere.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Something else is wrong
The team isn’t “old.” They just can’t hit consistently. Quality starts suggest starting pitching is fine. We know the bullpen is as unstable as mercury fulminate, but that’s not what’s wrong now. I’m not much of a believer in “team chemistry,” but there’s some kind of dysfunction going on here.
At least Game Board and his problems are an issue for the Ms now, and not the Cubs.
AlaskaFan
"Year after year after year after year . . . . . after year after year after year . . ." - Steve Goodman, "Dying Cub Fan's Last Request"
The offense is killing us
Even with the big offensive outbursts against the D Backs and Brewers, in over 39% of our games we score 2 runs or less!
Again, when they win, they win big and when they lose, it’s always the close ones. The Cubs are not going to beat you 2-1 or 3-2, it will be 8-4 or something.
In 10 of our losses we have scored 2 runs or less. This means the crappy teams have excellent chances to hang in there and get 3 runs FTW.
We average over 7 runs scored in our wins and 2.5 runs scored in our losses.
Even with the bullpen’s issues, the bigger issue is scoring runs on a consistent basis-just like last year.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
The Cubs offense only works...
when the opposing team walks everyone or throws batting practice. They simply can’t sustain any consistent production when facing anything above or equal to average pitching.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 6, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
We have a winner!
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
A 2008 Aramis Ramirez would do wonders for this lineup.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 6, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
So would a 1984 Sandberg.
Or a 1987 Dawson…seems silly to point this out…
Oh wait it’s SWL. ISWYDT.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Except Aramis Ramirez is still ON the team
That’s his point – he’s not hitting like he would be expected to.
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Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
so would a 2009 Derek Lee
Lost in the Aramis debacle is the fact that for a long time, Lee was just as cold. He seems to be coming around, but he still only has one home run since April 17th
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on May 6, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Important point.
The Cubs NEED to be more patient at the plate. Morton wasn’t throwing that well last night — the Cubs swung at many pitches outside the strike zone.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Fortunately, the game was not on out here
and I was at school so I couldn’t listen to it. That has been our MO for our losses for a long time now. It’s not that we play a well played game and have to tip our caps to the other team, we basically get ourselves out.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
That is certainly an important point.
And one we can fix. I thought the same thing watching our hitters fail and for awhile have a no hitter going. The Cubs need to be more patient, hitting early in the count should ONLY happen with a very few pitchers, surely a pitcher with a 12 ERA does not qualify.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Ding ding ding!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
SWL is more than just goofy pictures
Spot-on analysis. The Cubs offense is only as good as the opposing pitcher’s stuff (or lack thereof).
Sittin' on the ledge and sippin' Kool-Aid...
Checked last year's numbers
in our losses , we averaged 2.5 runs scored. Sound familiar?
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
Hey, how about those dominant Cardinals?
They’re about to get swept by the Phillies.
Granted, the Phillies are probably the best team in the league. But if the Cardinals are “that” good — why would they get swept?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Let's see how many games they win the next time they play the Nats and Pirates Al.
Come on, you’re being really simplistic with this line of reasoning.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 6, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe.
Or maybe it proves the point that there’s really only ONE dominant team in the National League.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
see my reply below
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 6, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Hard to get swept when they won the first game.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Forgot about the Monday game.
OK, 3 out of 4.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Well, maybe 2 of 4
Halladay on teh bump today.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
Lohse for the Cards.
I think the Phillies have a great chance to win with a 3-0 lead…and sorry to point that out Al, I’d love to see them get swept.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Cool. Hope they blow out the Cards.
The Cards’ hitting attack seems soft to me, were it not for Freese playing out of his mind I think they would be closer to .500 than they are. If you have good starting pitching and a decent pen, you can beat them. Their starting rotation is good enough for sure to win this division, but I wouldn’t say they are the dominant team of the NL yet.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Plus the Cards are losing only in the 1st inning.
As much as I’d love them to be swept, it could end up being only a split.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Getting swept by the Phillies
is a HELL of a lot different than getting swept by the F’ing Pirates!
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
Reading this again...
who is calling the Cardinals “dominant”??
They pretty GOOD, but they’re beatable if your team is also good. We are not good.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 6, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep, they have a number of holes.
They will win the division but I don’t think they will have a chance of winning the WS, may not even make it there.
The Cubs though as you say, are not going to prevent them from anything.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm an optimist
But I have a tough time putting this Cubs team on par with the Cardinals.
"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
Yeah...
the Cardinals have won 2 of 3 from the Reds, Mets, Astros and swept the Braves in a 4 game series so far.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 6, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
With that philosophy
Will the Cubs then be one of the worst teams in the league if they get swept by the Bucs?
''I'm really not a Facebook or Twitter guy. I'm a prime rib and baked potato guy.'' - Sweet Lou
we're on a pace to finish
25 games behind them
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by DartmouthCubsFan on May 6, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, it will get better, for a few games, then it will get worse again. It is so hard to try to be optimistic.
Your comment=.500 team
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
Too bad this isn't the NBA East
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
You mean the NBA Least?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Dunno about that.
Had the Cards had a bad team this year and the Cubs somehow won the division as a result, making the playoffs only to get swept in the first round just puts deodorant on a stinky team and could prevent them from making needed changes in the offseason.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Some good news
Cards down 5-1 top of the third. Halladay pitching and Lohse has thrown 64 pitches in two innings. No matter how the Cubs are doing I always enjoy the Cardinals losing
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
True.
But I noticed someone last night hoping that Pujols gets injured. I may hate the Cardinals, but even I don’t want to see that.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Definitely. That's a horrible thing to do.
Now Ovechkin…nah better keep my mouth zipped.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
That’s poor form.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Who can forget The Best Fans In Baseball cheering Lee's injury in 2006?
Sittin' on the ledge and sippin' Kool-Aid...
Yeah, that's certainly part of the hypocrisy of that idiotic self named title.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Hence why they are called "The self-proclaimed best fans in baseball..."
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
"To [Vermont Cubs Fan], good luck, stay strong!"
-Captain Richard Phillips-
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope whoever did that gets stuck by lightning.
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ISWYDT
Kind of.
You want them to get “stuck” by lightning? LIke at the same table in a wedding?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
That same table also being where Creepy Uncle Ted
and the “aunt” who has a strange fascination with dolls is sitting right?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
This is, no joke, the thid time i've been called out today fo leaving an 'R' out of a sentence.
I’m gonna go steal the keyboad off the desk of a co-worke who called in sick today.
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Ordinarily, I wouldn't have done it
But the visual of being stuck by lightning struck me as too funny not to.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Got that right. Living in the STL area, I have to hear the smug postgame show
And hearing the sportscasters dissect losing games is always fun…breaking down every inning and explaining how they will win more games than losses with the way they play.
It’ll be a little harder to do that with losing 3 out of 4. You can’t attribute that to one bad start or a slump by one player or faulty calls that will even out at the end of the season. It also usually rates a press conference by Tony where he answers two questions quickly and leaves…always makes me happy lol.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Still 5-1 Phillies top of the 5th
Lohse has thrown 105 pitches throgh 4 innings. Must think he is Rich Harden, who through a very efficient game for once the other day.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
Just for that I will beat you up even more in this week's fantasy league
Anyway what is wrong has thrown. Makes more sense to me as he was sitll in the game.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on May 6, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Quote from Albert Pujols on Howard's recent contract.
"He’s worth everything he gets because he’s proved it."
- 1B Albert Pujols on the $125 million contract extension for his friend, Phillies 1B Ryan Howard.
This is just another piece to the upcoming Contract for Pujols, who has certainly proven he’s worth more than Howard and the 125 million.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 1:35 PM CDT reply actions
Koolaid drinkers need to sober up
Where is the improvement going to come from on this Cub team other than Derrek Lee and Aramis Ramirez hitting like they should hit? Answer is NOWHERE.
Silva is pitching out of his mind
Gorzellaney is pitching out of his mind
Dempster is solid
Marmol has been stingy
Marshall has been very good
Theriot is hitting
Fontenot is hitting
Byrd is hitting
Fukudome is hitting
Soriano is on a hot streak already
Soto is hitting
Colvin is hitting well enough when he plays
You drunks need to get into your head that this isn’t a great team that is simply underperforming, injury plagued, or unlucky at present. Lee and Ramirez WILL hit. But beyond that the rest of this team has nowhere to go but down. Unless of course you are expecting Hendry’s ridiciulous investment in Xavier Nady to pay wondrous dividend.
75 wins absolute max.
The Blackhawks and the Stanley Cup in 2010.
people taking the time to post "Yawn" crack me up
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
::stretch::
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 6, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL...so what does people taking the time to do that do for ya?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Or maybe when Lee and Ramirez do begin hitting like they should be...
this team will start winning alot more games and finish with 85-90 wins.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 6, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Come on BLou! You are always wrong about this stuff!
Why don’t you join me in being positive about this team.
You just like the attention you get. This is a good team that is going to hit its stride soon. We have the right players and management to get the job done.
You know this, BLou! Like The Electric Light Orchestra sang, Don’t Bring Me Down!
And you don't enjoy the attention you get from posting blindly positive crap everywhere?
I don’t wanna hate though because I love ELO.
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I much prefer the sarcastically postive TJ to the relentlessly negitive one.
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maybe so, then they will lose 2-3 to the astros
They need to start winning the series’ against bad teams.
United we stand and united we'll fall......down on our knees the day we win it all!
by Bricks and Ivy on May 6, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
If they do...
… i’ve got a big sloppy smooch ready, and i’m coming for YOU.
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Watch out for that tongue.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
TJ and i don't really know each other that well yet...
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To each his own.
I at least get laughs out of BLou’s rants. I find TJ11’s posts completely meaningless, and generally annoying. I envision a male equivalent of Nina from corporate accounts payable behind the keyboard.. Every once in a while BLou has a good point hidden beneath his typical snide remarks.
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Schwa is just a frustrated Cub fan....Its OK, I still think you are awesome!
You are right, I NEVER have a point behind anything I post…..Keep breezing right through!
Well, I've been able to understand the point of your posts.
Sometimes I agree, sometimes I don’t. Either way I think you are awesome!
"And away we go..."-Pat Hughes
I wasn't an English major.
What is ironic about responding like a robot programmed to post happy happy thoughts about everything? I don’t believe a human being wastes time going through that routine.
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Its "ironic" in that he spent most of last year...
… being repetitively negative and angry at everything and everybody.
At least he’s somewhat playful in his new approach. No purpose in letting the Cubs give you an aneurysm.
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Completely agree with that.
It’s very welcome to me given the way the Cubs have played lately.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I much prefer positive TJ to endless posts about how the Cubs will fail myself.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Who woulda thunk it?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs
are 4th in MLB in LOB with 217. The wins will come when they start knockin’ ’em in instead of leaving ’em on.
by The Healing Hands of Tony Garofalo on May 6, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
When?
I’d go with IF, now when. This isn’t a problem that is new – it hasn’t been a few days or a few weeks. Its been the better part of a year now.
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Right, BUT...
… they’re definitely getting more on base now than last year. Fourth in the NL In OBA so far this year. The 2009 Cubs ranked 10th in OBA.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yep
The law of averages says IF they continue to get ‘em on, they’ll start getting them in. The two RBI leaders are struggling right now, IF they turn it around, they should be fine.
by The Healing Hands of Tony Garofalo on May 6, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
So what would you like?
Al to tell him to knock it off? BLou will keep doing it. BLou will get banned. BLou will return with another name because Al inexplicably bans usernames instead of IP addresses.
Either Al does not possess the ability to ban an IP address (doubtful), or deep down he kinda enjoys the controversy, posts, and views that BLou’s antics bring to the table.
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Sigh.
No, I missed that one. Time for another BLou timeout.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Out of curiosity...
when you say timeout, do you do like a week ban? Or do you mean you’re banning that name for good?
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I'm interested myself. Providing entertainment to a few does not excuse
repeated name calling.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
No, it doesn't.
I’ll have to consider what to do this time. For now, it’s indefinite.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
second glance?
I’m no BLou supporter, but my take on the word “drunks” is in reference to Kool-Ade drinking, which is the title of his post. Nothing worth banning.
That is not name calling Al.
The mob is just looking to burn someone a the stake and by kicking off Blou for such a trivial attack your banning of people who really has it coming means a great less (like when Blou makes racist/homophobic comments)
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on May 6, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I've got to agree, I've both been called worse, and yes I'll admit I've called others worse
than “Drunks” Sue is taking offense at something that isn’t remotely offensive just to get Blou banned
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
Well
Just look at what he posted on Windy City Hockey right before this rant.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
by WayneCampbell08 on May 8, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
It is name calling.
And while I don’t think that by itself would merit banning, his repeated nature of doing so does. Even if it amuses you…it leads to happening repeatedly, and you yourself just admitted he does that.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Well I believe the punishment should be dictated by
previous actions but the conviction should only be done on a case by case basis.
I don’t believe that comment deserves a banning or a time out. If it did then 3/4 of this board would gone.
Don’t get me wrong I think Blou is going to get kicked off the board but it should be for something more than this slight trespass.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on May 6, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll admit this didn't offend me.
Having said that, it seems strange of you to say punishment should be dictated by previous actions, then to say this instance is too slight to earn it. That’s exactly how a troll survives…picking apart when someone is offended and saying he was misunderstood THIS time. I think he should be kicked off for his repeated behavior this year, even though it seems to amuse a number of people here. He’s the only person I’ve seen I thought merited it, so I doubt I’m being completely uptight with this.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
What Blou thinks/says does not make him a troll
He is a debbi downer and kind of an ass but so are most people who work in middle management. More times than not he pisses people off because he’s the one shoving the uncomfortable truth in people’s faces.
In my opinion these actions just show him to be a crappy communicator not a troll.
His Trolling is from the racist, sexist and homophobic things he says while being a crappy communicator and when he gets banned it should be for those things.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on May 6, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Umm...
Punishment… previous actions… conviction…
You’re aware that you’re on a baseball blog, right?
Ha! very true...
Where’s Judge Judy when you need her?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Baseball????
Crap I thought this was the People’s Court Blog!?!
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on May 6, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
blogs are serious business
I love Marian Hossa and Patrick Kane in totally manly ways. Kinda.
by jesus christos on May 6, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Also come on Al
There are few drunks (me included) on this board…maybe he was just talking to us?
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on May 6, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Look what happens...
basically any time Blou makes a post. There are dozens and dozens of replies that come from it. Every single time.
I think it was a play on the kool-aid thing.
And not really that offensive even if it wasn’t.
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Drunk, like drunk on the Kool-Aid..
Sue, really? It was pretty benign, in my opinion, and directed at no one in particular.
by Damen Jackson on May 6, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks like a young St. Pauli girl.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I realize that. Just looks like a young St. Pauli girl
Compared to the St. Pauli label.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Your analysis is correct Blou
This team is hitting well. I see a team that is pressing and has no great hitters on the team.
If they are not up by the 6th inning then you have seen many players trying to hit 5 run homers.
This team has no trust and everyone is looking to be the hero.
There is also the fact that good pitcher get OK hitters out 80% of the time which is why this team does not have the ability to come back in close games.
I am one of the few people that think your points are usually well thought out just very poorly delivered.
I suggest you try giving some solutions other than “Fire Hendry” or “Blow up the Team” comments.
I for one would love to see Lou blow up the line up. Get everyone out of their comfort zone…Let Lee hit second. Move to the Four spot. Let Byrd lead off. Force guys to depend on each other or at least give each other a chance to let the guy behind them succeed.
But what do I know, I’m just a drunk.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on May 6, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Final...Phillies 7, Cards 2
Just a nice bit of news for a topic change.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on May 6, 2010 3:59 PM CDT reply actions
Ok, perhaps I missed something but...
I don’t remember Fuld wearing spandex and a cap so what does he bring to the team
that Xavier doesn’t?
I don’t remember his being Superman…
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