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Congratulations To The Blackhawks On Winning The Stanley Cup! (Cubs Win Too!)

MILWAUKEE -- Just as Sean Marshall was about to deliver what turned out to be the final pitch of the Cubs' 9-4 win over the Brewers Wednesday night, a loud cheer rang out from what remained of a smallish crowd at Miller Park (far short of the usual sellout when the Cubs come to Milwaukee).

I knew it couldn't be for a Cubs victory -- because it hadn't happened yet. I turned to the press box -- where all the writers' attention was turned to a large plasma screen showing the Stanley Cup Final game between the Blackhawks and Flyers -- and saw several Blackhawks embracing, and knew the cheer was for the Hawks win in overtime, clinching their first Cup in 49 years.

Seconds later, Marshall's pitch to Ryan Braun came right back to him as a ground ball; an easy flip to Derrek Lee finished off the Cubs win. May that be a sign of things to come, that the Cubs won a game in the same moment as the Hawks won the Cup.

Obviously, the importance of one Cubs victory in a season that's looking pretty bleak at the moment pales in comparison to the Blackhawks' momentous win. Congratulations to the Blackhawks, a team comprised of excellent young players who should be Cup contenders for many years.

Star-divide

The Cubs, meanwhile, brought their home run shoes to Milwaukee. Geovany Soto and Marlon Byrd both had two-homer games -- the first time the Cubs had a pair do that since Lee and Todd Walker did it on July 18, 2005. D-Lee, for his part, added to the fun by hitting his 300th career homer as the first of a three-homer fifth inning that put the game away.

Carlos Zambrano gave up only two hits, but his command was off; he hit Rickie Weeks in the first inning. That followed the first Milwaukee hit of the game, a leadoff single by Craig Counsell. The Brewers scored their first run on a pair of groundouts. Z wound up walking four in five innings, but didn't give up another hit until Brewers pitcher Randy Wolf (who is a pretty good hitter) slammed a ball to deep center field that Byrd barely missed catching. That produced a pair of runs after two walks, but Wolf was out of the game in the next inning after Soto's second HR of the game ended the Cubs' homer party. The game was a pitching rematch of Z's no-hitter over the Astros in the same ballpark on September 14, 2008.

The crowd of 30,326 -- slightly larger than Tuesday's and still with a large number of Cubs and Chicago fans, many wearing Blackhawks garb -- was one of the smaller ones for any Cubs/Brewers game in Miller Park in recent years. With both teams struggling, that's not surprising, although I'd expect a bigger house for today's game as the Brewers often draw well for weekday afternoon games.

Before the game, as Bruce Miles writes in the Daily Herald, Lou issued an ultimatum:

"Look, the amazing part about this thing is we're going to play the people that deserve to play," Piniella said. "That's it. Period. In a nutshell.

"Whoever's playing the best is going to get the playing time, and that's it. I've been very patient. And look, I appreciate the effort that everybody's giving. We're just not playing baseball games. I'm going to play the people that I feel give us the best chance to win that particular day, and that's the end of it."

Notwithstanding the word "look", which seems to be part of any Lou quote, and his mangled use of the English language ("the amazing part of this thing"?), we have heard him make pronouncements like this before and then go back to his old ways a day or two later. Let's hope he sticks to this. The Cubs are playing a little better -- win today and that would make three of four to end the trip -- and the Cardinals, who, according to some, would "run away with this division", just got swept by the Dodgers in Los Angeles for the first time since 1988. At 6.5 games back, the Cubs lurk around the edges of contention. A return to solid pitching by Z would help.

A couple of final words about the Blackhawks' playoff run and championship. In Game 5 of the first round, the Hawks nearly lost, only to tie the game on a shorthanded goal with 13 seconds remaining and win in overtime at home. If they lose that game, they might have been eliminated by Nashville in the first round. Instead, they went on a 13-4 run that has them Cup champions this morning. Lesson: anything can happen once you get in any sport's postseason. Just get in. The Cubs have work to do if they are to get in to this one, but it can still happen.

And the Blackhawks' parade and rally will begin at 10:30 am on Friday. It would be really cool if, after that's over, the players would bring the Stanley Cup to Wrigley Field, where fans of both the Cubs and White Sox will be awaiting the start of tomorrow's 1:20 pm interleague game. It would be a neat way of uniting Chicago sports fans in victory.

The pregame thread for today's afternoon game will post at 11:30 am CDT.

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BLACKHAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STANLEY. CUP. CHAMPIONS.

by niuhuskie224 on Jun 10, 2010 7:37 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

grats to the Hawks

Cubs finally looked good too…

I LIKE Cashner. The kid can pitch! I think I am developing a man-crush.

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Jun 10, 2010 7:42 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I didn't mean to neglect Cashner in the recap.

But man, you’re right. He can pitch. Hit 97 several times on the scoreboard pitch meter.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 10, 2010 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

He could do either.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 10, 2010 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lilly and Silva are going to be offered around

Good chance a spot in the rotation opens next month sometime.

by ClarkFan on Jun 10, 2010 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Source?

Well, let’s see – Lilly is a FA after this year, Silva is owed a lot of money in 2011 and his history says this sucess is fleeting. Oh, yeah, and the Cubs aren’t in real contention and likely to be sellers in July. Sounds like the recipe for 2 SPs on the block.

by ClarkFan on Jun 10, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Your source, therefore, is speculation and guessing.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 10, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

unless we climb

back into contention

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by hansman1982 on Jun 10, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think Gorz

is a better trade condidate than Silva. Gorz is relatively young, cheap, left-handed, and doesn’t have a track record of getting fat and terrible. I think Gorz could fetch some nice prospects, some of which could be used to get Adrian Gonzalez after the season.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jun 10, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gorz just isn't that good...

He won’t fetch anything.

He’s a nice pitcher to have on the staff, but I wouldn’t give up a whole lot for him.

by mic on Jun 10, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

at the time he was sent to the pen...

…he was (other than Silva) the best starter we had, at least by the numbers.

"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella

by tripdenten on Jun 10, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cashner indeed!

This game could have taken a turn for the worse in the 7th when the Brewers loaded the bases with no one out and the Cubs up 8-3. Cashner was brilliant in getting out of it with only one run scoring. He embarrassed McGehee.

by 4theillini on Jun 10, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed

I was traveling last night and staying at my parent’s home watching the game with my dad. In a very understated, sarcastic voice, his comment after Cashner struck out McGehee: “Nice swing there.”

"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray

by Archie on Jun 10, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great idea to bring the cup to the ballpark.

It could help make the Crosstown Series as festive as it should be. Celebrate sports. Celebrate Chicago.

One of Lee Elia's 15%

by waiting4cubs on Jun 10, 2010 7:55 AM CDT reply actions  

I was out at a bar in North Center last night.

The place was packed, and the fans (understandably) went nuts when Kane scored in OT. I’m happy for the Hawks, but the scene reminded me of watching Game 1 of the Dodgers series in Wrigleyville two years ago, except, of course, for the result. I kept thinking that the celebration, one of these years, HAS to be like that for the Cubs.

I think so many of us are frustrated by the Aramis-Lee-Soriano-Z nucleus because we expected that celebration to happen on their watch. Now the window for that nucleus is about closed — and the upcoming youth movement likely won’t mean contention in 2011 — so we just have to wait even longer. Ugh.

I know, I know: The Cubs have been much more competitive in the past 10 years, and some fans have been waiting a lot longer than my 20 years of fandom. But I remember when McDonough left the Cubs at the end of 2007 to join the Hawks — and I wondered why he would go from a team on the upswing to a badly damaged franchise.

I never, in my wildest dreams, would have expected that the Hawks would win a title before the Cubs.

by elgato on Jun 10, 2010 7:58 AM CDT reply actions  

I know what you mean.

But in October 2007, I was really optimistic about where things were heading.

by elgato on Jun 10, 2010 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sigh

There are probably teams that don’t even EXIST yet that will win a title before the Cubs.

by John916 on Jun 10, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

9-4

Wrong score Al, but understandable with the Blackhawks win. YEA Hawks! Let’s have that spread to our drought as well.
How did we score that run in the 9th?

by bubbahaw on Jun 10, 2010 8:05 AM CDT reply actions  

You're right.

Forgot about that last run. Will fix it.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 10, 2010 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Some guy Lou found in the bus station in Milwaukee, I think.

Lou’s starting to look like a guy who hangs around in bus stations with that scruff.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 10, 2010 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

The camera kept showing his legs

which were kicking back and forth, dangling from that high directors chair, like a little kid in a high chair. It was a disturbing image, somehow.

One of Lee Elia's 15%

by waiting4cubs on Jun 10, 2010 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

fun fact

The brewers loan the costumes to different groups around the state for various events. When they did something at the Green Bay Zoo a few years ago my brother got to be the Brat for a day. We got some good pictures and videos from that.

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by mjk83 on Jun 10, 2010 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't your brother a brat every day? ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 10, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Hawks are all wieners now!

"You mess with the 'fro, you got to go" - Undercover Brother

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 10, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

Even the Kane County Cougars had it. I was actually one of them

by cubs1201 on Jun 10, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Noticed that too

Trying to change his luck?

"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde

by Tingham on Jun 10, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Quite possible.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 10, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dear Mr. Pineilla

Please take note of the young man named Soto you ask to accompany you on the bench 3 times a week.

Not only does he happen to be the better player, but it happens to be by a wide margin. In addition, he happens to be the younger of the two players and the one most important to the organizations future

I have no idea why you’ve decided this should be a platoon, but can you stop the ridiculousness now and get the guy with the .400+ OBP back in their 6 days a week

Sincerely,

Logic

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 10, 2010 8:13 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Logic: "Well Lou, when the chips are down..."

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Jun 10, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Holy Mother of Boards

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 10, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I do wonder if Soto wears down and his hitting rebounds after some time off

Wouldn’t be the first catcher for whom that was true. If true, that would argue for deliberately starting Hill a couple of games a week to keep Soto producing.

And catchers tend to wear down over time, both in a season and over careers. When you look at the great catchers it is pretty common to see short periods of peak productivity (Bench) or guys who worked into playing a lot games at another position (Berra). Perhaps the Nationals aren’t so crazy to move Harper to OF, if his bat is as good as projected.

by ClarkFan on Jun 10, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

skeptical

he played 141 games in his monstrous rookie year and one of his best months was August

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 10, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dear Logic

I’m not good with this computer thing. Could you write all this up on a postcard and send it to:

Lou Pinella, Chicago Cubs
1060 West Addison
Chicago, IL 60613

If I have moved on, they will forward my mail. Maybe.

Let’s discuss this over prime rib and a baked potato.

Lou

P.S. Logic? I think you mom gave you a funny new age name.

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Jun 10, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

While I agree he is better than Hill...

…Soto has pretty much been garbage since April, and all of last season. I still need to see more from him.

"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella

by tripdenten on Jun 10, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

tough to see more from him

from the bench

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 10, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very true, but I am of the opinion

that what we saw from Geo in ’07 and ’08 was a mirage.

"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella

by tripdenten on Jun 10, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

On this, we can all agree.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 10, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

You mean we can all get along?

"You mess with the 'fro, you got to go" - Undercover Brother

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 10, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any comment Al

regarding the rumor about the clubhouse division?

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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 10, 2010 8:13 AM CDT reply actions  

This was posted by Tomas21 last night:
I have a contact with access to the Cubs clubhouse. He said the clubhouse is a disaster right now (maybe this game will help). He said the latin players, led by Ramirez and Z, have completely walled themselves off from everyone else, to the point that they wouldn’t let them team haze Castro in the typical rookie fashion (carrying bags, etc). He said Ramirez has completely shut down, refuses to practice, and is barely willing to take the field for games. The team never turned on Soriano, despite all his struggles, because he worked his butt off, but the team is turning on Ramirez, because he doesn’t, and doesn’t see a problem with it.

Anyways, I thought it was interesting to hear, and thought I’d pass it on.

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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 10, 2010 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting.

If this is true, I wonder where Soriano is in all of this. The Latin players, I guess, would be Z, Aramis, Soriano, Marmol, Soto, Silva and Castro (unless I’m forgetting someone).

by elgato on Jun 10, 2010 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure all the latinos will have a big conference with Guillen this weekend then

maybe go out to dinner and talk about all the clubhouse scuttlebutt. One win doesn’t make me feel any hope for this team. They could have Che Guevara risen from the dead in the clubhouse and it would still be a mess. It starts with our bearded leader who I guess is taking a stand…again…that will last for a series or two and then he’ll sit back and get comfy again. Although what can he do. This team has what 1 all-star on it…maybe 2 if Marmol stays hot?

I’m going back to staring at the Cup…how sweet it is!

by EamuCanoli on Jun 10, 2010 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Che

Reference is over the top. A pretty damn polorizing figure and not necessarily a person that all latinos revere. Talk to some Cuban-americans sometime and they may give you a different perspective on the situation.

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Jun 10, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know we're not supposed to call people names here...

… so I won’t. I’ll just say I completely agree with StevenABQ here. Please make sure you understand your references before you use them.

I don't care how long you've been around, you'll never see it all.

by Dou on Jun 10, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

2 people offended...check

It’s so highbrow in the morning…I better stick to the game threads where my kind are welcome. I’ll rescind my reference and say this…

If this is true about the clubhouse then these guys are really wound a little tight for living. It sounds like a high school cheerleading squad not grown men playing baseball. How far we’ve come since 2008. Who knows maybe the w/l record just masked all this other crap.

Tell us more now Al!

by EamuCanoli on Jun 10, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

You'll have to wait.

Got a post all ready to go, but have other stuff to do this morning.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 10, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

no probs sir

someday i hope we have a morning in October like this.

by EamuCanoli on Jun 10, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

November, more likely, the way they have it scheduled now.

But I’m with you on that.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 10, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll have something to say in the game preview thread.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 10, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Now I'm curious.

"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Jun 10, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

You'll find out more in a couple hours.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 10, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

big tease

"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Jun 10, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Certainly, in a strong clubhouse Ryan Theriot would be bankrupt by now

The kangaroo court would have fined him more than his 2010 salary for first pitch swinging.

by ClarkFan on Jun 10, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

How would you fix this?

One way is to change managers. But that can only go so far. Putting Ramirez on the DL and not letting him come back anytime soon may also help.

Al will probably point to the need for veterans who are good clubhouse guys, but we do have Dempster, Soriano, and Byrd right now. And I think Silva may be that type, although he’s new.

Castro is a starter, and he’s young and slight. Sure, put him in a funny costume one time to haze him, but he shouldn’t be carting around other people’s luggage. I hope this doesn’t go back to Theriot and Fontenot being peeved at losing playing time or a position because of Castro.

Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"

by cubzfan on Jun 10, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

All of the above are potential solutions.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 10, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

YOU HAVE TO WAIT!

Jeez! :)

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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 10, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe all Al is going to say

is that he wants you to stop spreading rumors. :)

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by katie casey on Jun 10, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not spreading them!

I’m questioning them :)

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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 10, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Enquiring minds want to know.

Guess we’ll find out in about an hour. Hoping not to find any more reasons to dislike this team.

"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Jun 10, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Theriot and Fontenot are peeved at Castro

There are other cities they can play in (or not).

by ClarkFan on Jun 10, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

wait - what - we're getting PV???

IT’S HAPPENING!!!!?!!?!!?!!!!!

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by ballhawk on Jun 10, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The scarriest thing about any of this, if true

is what it turns Castro into. I really want this kid to not become some snot nosed punk. I just want him to stay a kid who happens to be one hell of a ball player.

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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 10, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bring the cup to Wrigley!

I heard they are trying to make arrangements and it would maybe even be a Chicago Sports Celebration of the Blackhawks as they may try and bring some Bears and Bulls players in.

But that was just a rumor.

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by puckishcubsfan on Jun 10, 2010 8:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Well...

… as I said, I hope they do bring the Cup to Wrigley.

I’m not sure what the Bears and Bulls have to do with it, though.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 10, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think

I think the idea would be to make it a all chicago teams celebrate the Hawks kind of thing. I thought the Bears and Bulls coming was weird too.

Peanut Tillman was in Philly last night. My brother saw him in the concession line.

I better go to North Ave. Beach for the final outs when the cubs win the world series if the amount of tears I shed last night are any indication of how many I will when it’s the Cubs turn.

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by puckishcubsfan on Jun 10, 2010 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

No kidding...

Especially watching JR get choked up in the post game. What a win!

by bdlugz on Jun 10, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

"...it's the Chicago Blackhawks, man."

What a moment that was!

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by D98 on Jun 10, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was so cool.

"You mess with the 'fro, you got to go" - Undercover Brother

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 10, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Al

Didn’t the Cubs take a 2-0 lead on Byrd’s 1st inning homer, then the Brew Crew answered with one in the bottom half?

by cubfan1982 on Jun 10, 2010 8:34 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Yeah.

These always feel like home games!

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 10, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I fixed it. Thanks.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 10, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

very true

I love Cubs fans taking over Miller Park, especially being a former Madisonite with many Brewers fans as friends.

And as a Wings fan living in Chicago, I was one of the few watching the Cubs last night. Congrats to the Hawks though- great feeling isn’t it? Hope to one day celebrate as a Cubs fan…

by cubfan1982 on Jun 10, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

And Ryan Braun made the last out...

…on the grounder back to Marshall. Fielder struck out for the second out. And Marshall made him look bad in doing so.

by 4theillini on Jun 10, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cripes.

Guess I was more focused on hockey last night.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 10, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

At this point...

… if any of the Blackhawks could pitch middle relief, I’d take them.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 10, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

And the Blackhawks certainly deliver more hits when they really matter!

Ba-da-BOOM. CHING!

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Jun 10, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kaner certainly is gonna. So funny hearing him say he's looking for women

now…and when asked post victory if he’d behave himself during the parade just yelled “No Way!” …so cool to see him enjoy it.

"You mess with the 'fro, you got to go" - Undercover Brother

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 10, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the recap

Thanks as always for the recap Al. This may be the least I’ve watched of a Cubs game in years. They could have played naked, hit 200 homeruns, danced the hula and pitched a perfect game and I would not have known.

Didn’t even know about Lee until this recap!

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by puckishcubsfan on Jun 10, 2010 8:35 AM CDT reply actions  

The HR was nice, but Lee still didn't look in sync

In his first two ABs, he was having a hard time getting around on pitches. And Wolf was throwing a little slower that a batting practice pitcher.

by ClarkFan on Jun 10, 2010 8:49 AM CDT reply actions  

It was just nice to see the Cubs score some runs with the long ball.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Jun 10, 2010 8:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Does Piniella's quote mean that Theriot will stop playing?

“Whoever’s playing the best is going to get the playing time, and that’s it. I’ve been very patient. And look, I appreciate the effort that everybody’s giving. We’re just not playing baseball games. I’m going to play the people that I feel give us the best chance to win that particular day, and that’s the end of it.”

It would seem that playing a platoon of Fontenot/Baker at 2B would be better than giving the regular AB to a guy who has a ~.610 OPS and ~.300 OBP.

by SouthernCub on Jun 10, 2010 9:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Until Theriot is collecting splinters

what Piniella said means 0. Theriot leading off = same old, same old.

by ClarkFan on Jun 10, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's what I expect...

maybe the occasional start from Fontenot against a tough RHP. But the Baker/Tracy platoon at 3B makes it seem as though Theriot will continue to play 95% of the games. And he’ll likely continue to bat at the top of the order with his terrible OBP and OPS.

by SouthernCub on Jun 10, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great, now I have to actually watch the Cubs games...

They better start playing… um… better. Seriously, something like last night for every 3 or 4 games would be great… what did we say back in 2007 and 2008? Just win series, I believe was the phrase.

What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?

by lswaidz on Jun 10, 2010 9:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Talked to several Blackhawk loving friends

spread around the world last night after the game. One, who is now an oceanographer with a law degree (how’s that for nice combo these days? Doesn’t use the law degree these days however) is down in the Gulf right now. He says if the Cubs and Sox are smart, they’ll downplay the BP crosstown trophy this year or, better yet, for reasons of both a PR and baseball nature (it is stupid after all) abandon the idea all together. Says that when the depth of both the size and destruction of the spill and the incompetence of BP are detailed in the months and years ahead, that having a sports cup with that company’s logo on it will be about as bad an idea as he can imagine. It’s bad enough now, he said, but to play for something with BP on it in a year will be completely absurd.

He said the Gulf will come in at number three behind Chernobyl and Bhopal in the less than coveted one time event world industrial disaster rankings.

With an actual sports cup possibly being paraded around Wrigley Field this weekend, can we dispense with the sad and embarrassing cup of mediocrity the Cubs and Sox are about to “battle” for?

by the nth on Jun 10, 2010 9:16 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Interesting stuff Nth, thanks

I myself took to calling the Gulf disaster this generation’s Three Mile Island. But it would seem it’s far, far worse than that (and the Exxon Valdez disaster).

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by EalyEagle on Jun 10, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll recommend this.

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by Bill Potter on Jun 10, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree it's absurd to have BP's name on it with the idea from this being MLB

trying to market Rivalry series.

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 10, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seeing as how it was Game 6 last night, I spent most of the third period trying to figure out...

…at what point would be the time left equivalent of five outs. (sorry – I had to go there…)

I’m guessing it was right around when Philly scored to tie it up. Luckily, Q had the smarts to call a time out shortly thereafter and get his guys focused again.

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by ballhawk on Jun 10, 2010 9:47 AM CDT reply actions  

When the game was tied up with 4 minutes to go

a few us started having flashbacks. It was not fun.

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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 10, 2010 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was Hopeful that the Hawks would win

but don’t recall feeling that they’d lose. Completely different vibe from the traditional Cubs fan mindset.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Jun 10, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wondered

what Bartman was doing at that moment.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jun 10, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

How come the Hawks put on baseball caps after they won?

Was it to somehow acknowledge that baseball=best?

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by katie casey on Jun 10, 2010 9:51 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't follow any other sports

so I had no idea. Guess they are more comfortable than helmets. :)

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by katie casey on Jun 10, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's just another piece of merchandise to sell.

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by Bill Potter on Jun 10, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Somewhere in my closet

I have a “Butler NCAA Champions” shirt that never hit the market. And a 2003 bootleg Cubs World Series t-shirt.

alas.

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by Bill Potter on Jun 10, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

What exactly would you have them put on to market their victory and show they won?

It’s just merchandising contracts…and I’m sure it’s much cheaper for the manufacturer to have both teams printed up on caps than shirts or anything else. Specially since you would have to try to get the right size with shirts. I …..just have no idea why this didn’t occur to you ….haven’t you seen basketball and football teams win championships?

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 10, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

ah guess you don't follow other sports. Ok.

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 10, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just a note:

Al, we know Piniella doesn’t have the greatest grasp of the spoken English language. We also know that our Dear Mayor is also guilty of this lingual gaffe. However, you see how the [print] media always quotes Piniella literally—using the “look” at every chance—while Daley’s quotes are always squeaky-clean and grammatically correct?

We all have verbal crutches. But I feel as if the [print] media just abuses their “power” to make someone look extra bad—not that Piniella needs any help either way.

It was a fun game last night, at least the parts I watched.

by chilango2 on Jun 10, 2010 9:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Thoughts from 2000 miles away

1) John McDonough should run for mayor.

2) Roenick was getting some grief for “making it about him”, but Dan Patrick said JR would have been just as emotional had it been the Flyers. I agree with DP.

3) There’s a great PR opportunity for the Cubs and Sox to donate the game checks to the cleanup effort in the Gulf.

4) Normally I wouldn’t trust Lou any further than I could throw him, when he talks about playing whoever is currently producing. But ARam going on the DL changes things somewhat. With the fulcrum of the team out, and with the Cubs 5 games below .500, maybe Lou is willing to keep all options on the table and “go for broke”, as it were. Or maybe this is Lou’s idea of waving the white flag?

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by EalyEagle on Jun 10, 2010 10:05 AM CDT reply actions  

I knew Roenick was going to get grief for that...

He shouldn’t though. He was trying to divert the attention when the other two were talking, but he was too choked up to do so. Nevertheless, it was an incredibly awkward moment. They probably should have gone on to something else when he Roenick finished his speech.

by mic on Jun 10, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was awkward mostly because Patrick was acting stiff and wooden, both of the other two

keeping their distance from him. Patrick sounded like he couldn’t understand why anyone would care about hockey at that point…just a really weird moment that at least the other broadcaster understood since he was a player.

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 10, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would prefer if the Cubs and Sox also didn't even acknowledge BP

in addition to donating a metric crap ton of money to the cleanup effort.

And why isn’t the BP thing a bigger deal. I mean really, in addition to the idea of a “trophy” of sorts for winning the crosstown series being dumb, who would want to win it at this point? I take it there is some contractual obligation here, but man, there’s so much stupidity wrapped up in this thing.

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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 10, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Watching the game last night

I seem to recall it being referred to as just the “Crosstown Cup”. No mention at all of BP, not even in the accompanying TV graphic.

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by EalyEagle on Jun 10, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

Everything I’ve seen has the BP logo and their Green and Yellow colors. If there is a Crosstown Cup, the only colors involved should be blue, red, black, and white.

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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 10, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm 90% sure there was no BP reference

Especially on the TV graphic. It’s a sensitive matter so if it’s true then it’s not surprising.

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by EalyEagle on Jun 10, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

It does have their logo on it.

They paid for that. It’s a really unfortunate thing that the teams chose this sponsor this year, but apparently the deal was made before the spill, and announced afterward.

They are low-keying the sponsor name, as they should.

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by Al Yellon on Jun 10, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Is "it" the actual trophy?

I could see it being a little late to scrape the logo off it at this point.

Could it have been an editorial decision purely on the part of CSN?

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by EalyEagle on Jun 10, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's unfortunate that there is a cup at all

this crosstown trophy is the dumbest thing I’ve heard of in quite some time

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Jun 10, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's just me, but whenever I come back to this post and that photo of Lee & Lou comes up...

…I keep thinking of that Norman Rockwell picture of the Cubs dugout.

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by ballhawk on Jun 10, 2010 10:16 AM CDT reply actions  

this one?

I suppose the composition is similar, but thank goodness the mood isn’t. I like the way Lilly is hailing Lee.

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by katie casey on Jun 10, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have that Print on a tie

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by RiskyBusiness on Jun 10, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have it on a set of coasters

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by EalyEagle on Jun 10, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

We're a print on a beer mug away from

my tie into the beer mug sitting on one of your coasters. Trifecta.

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by RiskyBusiness on Jun 10, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who's the guy on the right grabbing his crotch?

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by Zeke on Jun 10, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hint: Al said he was done when we picked him up in 2008

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by EalyEagle on Jun 10, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jimmy Ballgame?

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by Zeke on Jun 10, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you believe the validity of Internet memes

the answer is ‘yes’. :-)

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by EalyEagle on Jun 10, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's not grabbing his crotch

He’s sending in the signal to the 3B coach.

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Jun 10, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

better that you notice than I

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Jun 10, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

It just LOOKS like a mitt...

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by Zeke on Jun 10, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have the T Shirt

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Me either Jim

by Doggie Stalker on Jun 10, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Magnet

and several books on Rockwell one of which features photos of the model.

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by katie casey on Jun 10, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, I had to fight for every minute I could on TV though.

Mainly listened on the radio sharing the headphones with my daughter. BTW-she’s considering joining us on BCB.

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by katie casey on Jun 10, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not much after the 1st period

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by RiskyBusiness on Jun 10, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

One potential change that could be made was posted on SCH.

Looking back on recent Chicago sports history, a trend emerges:

Bears – 1985 NFL champions, coached by Mike Ditka (moustache).

Bulls – six-time NBA champions, coached by Phil Jackson (beard).

White Sox – 2005 MLB champions, coached by Ozzie Guillen (goatee).

Blackhawks – 2010 NHL champions, coached by Joel Quenneville (moustache).

Someone call Lou and tell him to keep the small animal on the bottom of his face!

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by Mondodude on Jun 10, 2010 11:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Jake Klein?

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by Musicdude10 on Jun 10, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

No way. That "beard" his hideous and needs to be shaved pronto.

It’s been there for wins and losses. Time to look like a human that cares about himself Lou.

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 10, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's it!

Here’s our new manager:

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by Al Yellon on Jun 10, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good on the Hawks

Third period half way through they sort of played on there heels protecting a lead. But they gritted down and got the Cup.
 Lou needs to go period. All this rumor/speculation of clubhouse strife I am sure Lou is the main reason. I know Ramy had issues in Pittsburgh, but hell that was 7 years ago.
 This club has to many young players to have this bullshit go on. Get Lou out of here please.

by Grockcubs on Jun 10, 2010 11:17 AM CDT reply actions  

I think I might wait

until they become something more than speculation.

"If I did not laugh, I should die." -- Abraham Lincoln

by Mondodude on Jun 10, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Clubhouse cancer?

I don’t want to hear about any stinkin’ clubhouse cancer.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jun 10, 2010 11:28 AM CDT reply actions  

My cats woke me at 4:00 AM,

Just in time for the goal which sent the Hawks into overtime, and a Cubs win. My GF thought I was crazy for dancing around the apartment at the crack of dawn.

An awesome morning…


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