Cubs, White Sox Celebrate Blackhawks' Historic Season -- Then Nearly Make History Of Their Own
by Al Yellon on Jun 14, 2010 7:30 AM CDT
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PrintThis recap was going to be all about the Blackhawks' appearance at Wrigley Field before Sunday night's game; how they took a complete tour of the field, shook hands and posed for photos with their baseball counterparts, (a remarkable scene, actually; I'm not sure that there has ever been an occasion where three of Chicago's sports teams from the same season were in the same place at the same time before last night), and then spent the game in the Batter's Eye suite in the bleachers, where they exchanged fist bumps with any fans they encountered walking up and down the ramps.
Great theater, and it is, as far as I know, the only time a championship trophy won by a Chicago team has ever been inside Wrigley Field. Let it not be the last, please, and it's a Cubs World Series trophy I want to see there next.
And then Ted Lilly and Gavin Floyd upstaged the Stanley Cup champions.
The Cubs beat the White Sox 1-0, but that's not the story of the game. Until Alfonso Soriano's two-out double in the seventh (following Derrek Lee, of all people, being thrown out stealing), neither Floyd nor Lilly had allowed a hit (although there had been plenty of baserunners, via walks, a Sox error, and two hit batters by Ted).
The Cubs eked out their only run of the game when Chad Tracy's bouncer up the middle eluded a diving Gordon Beckham. And then it was up to Lilly to try to put the game in the history books.
With what was at first a soft, then more moderate, rain beginning to fall in the eighth inning, Lilly put the Sox down 1-2-3; the third out was an adventure when Tracy nearly tripped over third base trying to catch Jayson Nix's popup. Tracy had also made a nice play on an Andruw Jones sharp grounder in the sixth; often, in no-hitters, you see weird or outstanding defensive plays.
Then with the place rocking despite the rain, former Cub Juan Pierre led off the ninth batting for Floyd. The first thought was -- he's going to bunt. But with the field getting wet and muddy, that wasn't the likely outcome. Instead, Pierre lined a no-doubt-about-it single to center, and Lilly was done after 108 pitches. Had Ted been able to finish, we would have seen something almost as rare as a no-hitter -- a double complete game.
Carlos Marmol came in and immediately walked Jones; he wasn't sharp last night. He balked the runners to second and then -- and I couldn't believe this -- the Cubs ordered Alex Rios intentionally walked to pitch to Paul Konerko, the Sox' best hitter this year.
Really? Yes, I know Konerko's a double play possibility... and they nearly got one; Konerko bounced to Lee, who threw home for the force. One out to go. Marmol, after struggling, got Carlos Quentin to fly to center, where Marlon Byrd nearly had to push Starlin Castro out of the way to catch the ball, which finished off:
- A Cubs' victory snapping a three-game losing streak
- The Cubs' second 1-0 win of the season
- The Cubs' first one-hitter since April 13, 2009, when Lilly and three guys who aren't on the team any more combined to one-hit the Rockies.
There hasn't been much energy and excitement at Wrigley Field in 2010, but this game gave plenty. The Cubs gained a game in the standings on both the Reds and Cardinals -- maybe I'm dreaming, but sometimes playing a game like this energizes a club, and maybe it's not too late to make something out of this season.
One last thing about the double no-hitter taken into the last of the seventh inning. I have personally witnessed a game like that before; it happened at the old Comiskey Park on July 13, 1980. The Yankees' Rudy May and future Cub Steve Trout did exactly what Lilly and Floyd did last night. May threw six no-hit innings, allowing a runner to reach on an error, before the White Sox scored a run in the seventh. Trout walked the first hitter of the game, then retired 15 in a row before hitting a batter leading off the sixth; he was erased on a double play.
Trout kept the no-hitter entering the eighth inning. He walked former White Sox Eric Soderholm to lead off the eighth, and the next hitter broke up the no-hitter with a clean single to center, a hit much like Juan Pierre's last night.
That hitter? Lou Piniella. (The Yankees wound up winning 3-1.)
This kind of thing happens all the time in baseball, weaving its generations together seamlessly, yet another reason baseball is the greatest game.
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Wonder
If the Bulls ever brought the NBA trophy to Wrigley?
"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields
Reinsdorf
I don’t think he wanted any of the Bulls trophies to make an appearance at Wrigley.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Bulls Trophies at the Cell?
I’m wondering if any of the Bulls trophies made appearances at US Cellular Field with the Reinsdorf and Jordan connections to the White Sox.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Bears Championships?
Would the Bears have had a trophy there in the years they played at Wrigley?
Lets Play Two Today
I noted this below....
… I don’t think they ever did a trophy presentation in the pre-Super Bowl NFL title days.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Dear Al
maybe I’m dreaming, but sometimes playing a game like this energizes a club, and maybe it’s not too late to make something out of this season.
Wake up… :)
I hope that you are right, but I do think that, yes, you are dreaming.
That said, it was good to see a good game last night. Now if I hadn’t had to listen to Joe Morgan…
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
Did Joe say anything nuts?
Like, Ernie Banks once hit a homer off the Toyota sign?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
How on earth did he do that?
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
Obviously, he didn't.
But Joe Morgan has made up “facts” about the Cubs before that were false, so I figured maybe he’d try that one.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I was being a tease and not serious...
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
Ahhhh, I think I understand now
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
joe morgan
when miller said “is there any doubt that Lilly is the player of the game”. morgan said he would pick marmol, but he was o.k. with lilly. Although marmol did get out if the jam, he created most of it himself. Why would he say that? (no need to answer)
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
Morgan said he'd pick Marmol?
What game was he watching?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
i know.
I dont remember the exact quote. but he did say Marmol was deserving. kind of strange.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
Jon Miller asked...
“Is there any question about the player of the game?”
Joe opened his trap: “Well, you’d have to give it to Lilly, I guess. But with special mention to Marmol for sure.” Something along those lines.
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
Jon Miller also said that last Cub championship was 1906...
…as the camera was focused on “1908” flag.
::sigh::
It's 106 miles to Chicago...
I thought he talked about the Cubs losing in '06
to the White Sox hitless wonders and then said they finally did win in ’08 forgetting completely, of course, 1907.
You know...
… at this point, I’d almost wish ESPN would just skip doing Cubs Sunday games entirely. It’s embarrassing.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Jun 14, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
They seem to have 2/3 of the espn season schedule with Sox and Yanks
So why not just proclaim it the East Coast Promotion Network for baseball and make it exclusive…playing a game once in awhile in another city just confuses everyone. I won’t miss Miller using fake drama on every close play and Morgan being wrong half the time.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
You're making me wish I'd gotten tickets to the game against Philadelphia on July 18.
I’ve got tickets to the Saturday game, on July 17.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, June 12....
State high point count: 2/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 14, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
That could be right...
The explanantion was so all-over-the-place, I guess I was confused.
It's 106 miles to Chicago...
Morgan must not've been paying attention to Marmol (or anything else).
I heard Joe Morgan say he’d probably pick Marmol because of how he worked his way out of a jam. Of course, he ignored that Marmol created that jam himself by walking Jones, then balking Jones and Pierre into scoring position, then throwing two pitches in the dirt that Hill had to block (one of which would’ve scored a faster runner than Jones). But, yeah, (sarcasm begins) Marmol’s pitching performance was TOTALLY better than TRL’s. Sure, Joe. (sarcasm over.)
It’s a bit nitpicky, but Morgan also misremembered Sandy Koufax’s perfecto against the Cubs in 1965. His team was on its way to play LA (he was with Houston) and listened to the last two innings on the radio. Morgan said that Koufax had to get Ernie Banks out in the 9th, but couldn’t remember if it was to end the game. The first thought that popped to mind was, “why would Banks be batting 9th? Did he pinch hit? Why would he be sitting against Koufax?” No, Ernie batted 5th that day, so he would’ve come up second in the 8th (right after Santo). They made no mention of the fact that Bob Hendley gave up only one hit, 1 BB and an unearned run (scoring on an overthrow to 3B on a SB).
"It's Spring Training. You know how many home runs Barry Bonds hit off me? One - in Spring Training." - Big Z
Must've missed it.
My bad. I didn’t hear it.
"It's Spring Training. You know how many home runs Barry Bonds hit off me? One - in Spring Training." - Big Z
The Cardinals-Diamondbacks game.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, June 12....
State high point count: 2/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 14, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Most of Banks Home runs
were aided by the wind tunnel effect that sign has on the field…
by cozmotaylor123 on Jun 14, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
(Not Serious) Toyota and Banks
(Not serious) Don’t forget that Ernie Banks commonly drove his Toyota down Banks Boulevard during his playing days. I checked with Joe Morgan, and he said it was true. We can never doubt the veracity of Morgan’s statements.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
He played basketball in the off season???
Who’d of thunk it…
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jun 14, 2010 1:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He played basketball in the off season???
Who’d of thunk it…
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jun 14, 2010 1:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Banks and Koufax Perfecto in '65
Did anyone else hear Morgan say that he was listening to Koufax’s perfect game against the Cubs in 65 and that banks was the last out? then he “corrected” himself to say banks was an out in the last inning. amazing
Lets Play Two Today
What on Earth does Morgan have against Ernie?
Is this some sort of vendetta against Cubs Hall of Famers?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
FWIW Morgan has expressed his support for Santo
Not sure what his feelings about Williams and Jenkins are, but he sure seems to have a problem with Sandberg and Banks.
I think there's a Cincinnati thing about hating the Cubs. Marty Brennaman, for instance.
I remember Marge Schott complaining to Harry Caray about all the Cub fans who showed up at a Cubs-Reds game at Riverfront Stadium. Harry replied by saying something like … “But Marge! Don’t you like all the money they’re spending in your ballpark.”
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Jun 14, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Joe Morgan has at least been consistent
He claims to vote for Ron Santo (Cubs) and Maury Wills (Dodgers) every time.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
I don't believe him.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
What reason would Morgan have to lie about stumping for Wills?
It’s not like a lot of people stump for Wills.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Thinking more about Santo.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Well, I can believe Joe supporting Santo
At least he comes out and says it. The fact that he says he votes for Wills gives him a little more credibility there. It’s more the people that don’t vote for Santo that keep him out.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
I have a feeling...
…some of the people that say they vote for Santo don’t.
I could be wrong though.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Morgan is consistently wrong so much I don't believe a word he says.
I’ve given up trying to figure out a motivation other than trying to impress fans with his baseball knowledge. He was a good player for the Big Red Machine and now he’s just an idiot broadcaster who should have stayed just a player.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, he perfected it against Ryno
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jun 14, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Come on...
The guy misremembered something from a game 45 years ago, and then corrected himself and you’re ticked about that? That’s ridiculous. Joe Morgan is a complete idiot, there are plenty of things that come out of his mouth that are absurd. To get upset, or whatever, at this one though is weird.
Here's the thing, though.
He’s stating what he intends to be a fact on a national TV network. It turns out to be wrong. Why wouldn’t you be sure to get something like this right? There are producers and other assistants that can help him.
This isn’t as bad as the “Banks Boulevard” crap from a couple years ago, but it’s bad enough.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And evidently...
they did help him, if he corrected himself.
I remember that Banks Boulevard line. Actually, it was more than just a line. If memory serves, he went on and on about that.
He didn't actually correct himself.
He “corrected” himself by saying Banks was an out in the last inning. But Banks batted 5th that day and was the second out in the 8th inning, not the 9th. Sure, it’s a little nitpicky, but it’s consistent with the pattern of Morgan saying something and nobody in the booth bothering to make sure he’s right. Or, if they do, he refuses to acknowledge the correction. It’s more frustrating than anything else.
Also, what would Banks be doing batting in the bottom of the order? It’s plausible that he could’ve pinch hit (not the case, it turns out Banks started and hit 5th behind Santo- thanks Baseball Reference!), but unlikely. This is basic math: in a perfect game, the last 3 batters are the last 3 guys in the lineup. Joe Morgan should know better.
"It's Spring Training. You know how many home runs Barry Bonds hit off me? One - in Spring Training." - Big Z
I am quite sure that the most important thing to Morgan is to impress us with
his vast “knowledge” and memories. Admitting they are completely wrong would bruise his ego. Miller makes mistakes as play by play man, its just less usually and he reserves his idiocy for adding a dramatic voice for any play with the potential to score a run. They are a perfect pair really. Both care more about their ego and being impressive then anything else. I always mute the game if forced to watch a game they broadcast.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
If memory serves me correctly,
Another Morgan-ism is “I’ve always felt that starting pitching is the most important part of the rotation.”
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, June 12....
State high point count: 2/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 14, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
That one was great
I’d like to meet all these people Joe knows who are apparently running around claiming closers are more important.
Glengary Glen Ross is a perfect metaphor for the Cubs season...
… the entire time is spent looking for the good leads.
"It's Spring Training. You know how many home runs Barry Bonds hit off me? One - in Spring Training." - Big Z
Second place
STEAK KNIVES!
"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
it doesn't make sense intuitively
not sure if Ernie ever batted 7-8-9 but I doubt it so the only way he would hit in the last inning of a perfect game would be as a pinch hitter, which would not be that strange, but if you are saying that on national television wouldn’t you say to yourself “that sounds wierd, i wonder if i am remembering that correctly.”
Lets Play Two Today
Banks started a 1B and batted 5th
Lineup:
Don Young
Glenn Beckert
Billy Williams
Ron Santo
Ernie Banks
Byron Browne
Chris Krug
Don Kessinger (Joey Amalfitano PH in the 9th – K swinging)
Bob Hendley (Harvey Kuenn PH in the 9th – K swinging)
"It's Spring Training. You know how many home runs Barry Bonds hit off me? One - in Spring Training." - Big Z
Yeah, remember Mr. Cub...
hit nearly all his home runs into that LF basket too…
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jun 14, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I was going to defend him along the same lines
however, just looked up the game log,
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN196509090.shtml
It wasn’t even the ninth inning, it was the eighth. I think that’s the problem, a guy sharing his 45 year old memories with a national audience but passing them along as solid facts
However...
… note, that’s not a 45-year-old memory. Morgan wasn’t in that game. He says he was “listening to that game”. He couldn’t have been listening to the game on the day it happened, because on September 9, 1965, Joe Morgan was playing second base for the Astros in this game in San Francisco.
So maybe he had heard the tape of that game — which does exist — later, or maybe even recently. He still could have checked his facts.
I know that Len & Bob work with laptops in front of them in the Cubs TV booth so they can check stuff like this.
Morgan needs to retire.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yabbut, if he is retired, then he will be "good" for another 10,000 miles.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
said he heard it while travelling to LA for the next days game..
could he have played…with a different game time and time zones..might be possible
by cozmotaylor123 on Jun 14, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
There's no way that's possible.
In 1965? With technology the way it was 45 years ago? No one even knew the tape of that game existed for decades.
Morgan is making stuff up.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The Bottom Line is...
there are a ton of great color commentators out there and Jon Miller is so good its a shame we have to listen to Morgan. the game has passed him bye. Time to move on. Sound familiar?
Lets Play Two Today
It reminds me of...
…Hughes and Santo. I have a great deal of respect for Santo and what he has gone through, but man is it painful to listen to him at times.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Yeah, but ...
Santo’s podium is much smaller than Morgan’s. WGN Radio has a lot of reach, but it’s not near as big as ESPN’s.
Doesn't matter to me...
…as long as I have to listen to it.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Two differences
Santo doesn’t pass along his memories as facts—the diss on him is his style, not inaccuracies
Pat Hughes will corral Santo in when he says something really goofy, whereas Morgan seems to have free reign from his boothmates and production staff
both are painful...
…to listen to for me.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
exactly...
Pat Hughes will corral Santo in when he says something really goofy, whereas Morgan seems to have free reign from his boothmates and production staff
It seems as if Morgan can literally say anything without any recourse
Jon Miller is so good? What are you smoking?
I guess you must enjoy him yelling “SAFE!” at every close play and over dramatizing anything he runs across…he sounds like an idiot every inning. I half expect him to use that fake voice to bring in new baseballs into an inning if it’s been a couple of minutes since he used it…soooo good? that’s a new one.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe
The LA-Cubs game was a night game, over around 9:45 local time. If the Houston-Giants game was an afternoon game (no start time given), and was over early afternoon, I suppose there would be time for the team to fly from SF to LA in time to be catching the LA-Cubs game on the radio when they drove from the airport, as I recall Morgan saying
I thought Morgan said they heard the last
couple of innings at the airport. If he meant the LA airport after flying from an afternoon game in SF. It’s even possible with a pennant race on between the two California teams, and a perfect game in progress, the SF station switched to the feed of the LA call which he could of heard anywhere in SF.
I remember in July ’67, when the Cubs were about to move into first, WGN switched to the call of the 9th inning of the Mets-Cards game.
I’ll give Morgan the benefit of the call on this one.
benefit of the doubt on actually hearing it
but he was still wrong on Banks, who came up in the eighth, not ninth, as Morgan stated decisively
It was a day game.
I checked.
However, you are both ascribing 2010 technology to 1965. Games like this weren’t routinely available. The perfect game was not televised — anywhere. It was on local radio in Los Angeles and Chicago. For Morgan to have gotten to Los Angeles, sought out a radio in the airport to listen to a game that he wouldn’t have cared about — because the Astros were 20 1/2 games out of first place — stretches credulity.
I’ll stand by what I believe: Morgan made the whole thing up.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I don't know
it doesn’t strike me as that surprising that someone on the team would have checked a radio in the airport or on the team bus in LA to hear how tomorrow’s opponent was doing, and heard that a perfect game was going on
Given that it's Joe Morgan...
… and again, you are assuming 2010 technology — that a baseball game would automatically be available just about anywhere — I doubt this happened.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I don't believe it either. It is Morgan, and like anyone who lies
Or makes things up with an audience, once caught in it he’s going to try to bullshit his way out of it. Which is why he ended up making up Banks hitting in the wrong inning. Just enough of “facts” that it seems possible.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Not here to defend Morgan
But it isnt out of the realm of possibility that players in the 60’s carried transistor radios with them. The Ipods of there day. Personally I can think of worse things than turning on Vin Scully to listen to the end of a game of the team you are playing the next day.
However I scratched my head on everything else he said about the incident. He does need to go as the game has passed him by.
And finally. Speaking of Scully he is still remarkable for his age. He is the most ageless announcer I have ever heard.
"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
A lot of you weren't around in 1965.
I was. I doubt players did this in those days.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Thanks for the compliment
But I was definitely around in the 60’s. :-)
"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
We know that, at least on ESPN, Joe's a jerk who says some stupid things...
…But in 1965, it seems likely that if Morgan arrived at LAX in the late innings of the Koufax game, there would have been enough transistor radios blaring out Scully’s broadcast to create the same stereo effect that probably still is common inside Dodger Stadium. In that case, it would have been a cinch for Joe to find a taxi with the game on, or ride the team bus where the same broadcast undoubtedly would have been playing.
Don’t forget –’65 was a particularly vicious Dodgers-Giants pennant race, highlighted by Marichal’s bat-wielding attack on Roseboro. If Joe Morgan had just completed a game in SF that afternoon, I imagine he would have had some extra interest in hearing how the Dodgers were doing that day.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
I hate to defend Joe Morgan, but...
This is totally possible, if the Giants game was a day game. The Dodger game didn’t start until 8:03. The last two innings would have been between 9:30 and 9:45. That is plenty of time to get down from SF, get to a hotel, and go out on the town.
Plus, don’t forget that at night, AM radio signals bounce all over the place and I believe that at the time it was on a 50K watt station. Even if they were driving down I-5 in the middle of the night, it is very possible that they picked up the signal of the game. The Dodgers radio network was quite extensive at the time and extended well into the Central Valley.
I am giving Joe the benefit of the doubt on this one.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
Hard to believe Joe Morgan could actually be right about something.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Like I said...
I hate to defend the guy, since he is such a twit.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
He is a twit, and that he tries to defend his lies
when caught in it makes me think he made that up too. I won’t give him the benefit of the doubt because he so frequently makes things up or lies. Anything is possible, it’s just more likely he thought of a way no one could really know if it was the truth. His adding an incorrect “fact” of Banks hitting in the last inning is typical of a liar caught in one…add a “fact” to make your story sound authentic.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I heard that and almost died.....
….he really made a big deal about Banks being an out in the game. Really Joe? There were freaking 27 of them….
Banks, in fact, made three outs in that game.
All strikeouts. He batted fifth, which meant he wasn’t the last out of any inning he batted in.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Didnt Don Young
Of the infamous dropped fly ball against the Mets in 69 play in that game? I seem to recall that from looking at the box score years ago. It stood out to me because I didnt remember him prior to the 69 season.
"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
Yes.
A 19-year-old Don Young did play in that game. In fact, it was his major league debut.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Wow. Had no idea it was his debut or he was that young
Pun not intended
"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
Do you think Dodger fans stuck around for the end?
Since they usually get there in the 3rd inning and leave in the 6th?
Lets Play Two Today
that game was also Byron Browne's MLB debut
by holy mackeral on Jun 14, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember him well
"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
More ammunition for Joe...
Days before the Koufax game, Jim Maloney’s 10-inning no-hitter against the Cubs at Wrigley ended when Ernie grounded into a double play. If Joe mentions this in his next broadcast, look for him to add his personal recollection that, in the three weeks between these two 1965 no-hitters, Banks also managed to hit his 400th career homer – undoubtedly a wind-blown pop-up that barely carried to the front row. (As even Joe must know by now, that legendary Banks Basket didn’t go up until after Ernie’s 500th in 1970.)
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
My husband said something similar about this game possibly being the spark they need.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
This team doesn't need a spark,
it needs to stand outside in a lightning storm.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
...while driving a delorean
with a lightening rod on top. That’s right, the team needs jigawatts of spark.
DEJESUS!!!
1,210,000,000,000,000,000,000,000fW
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
Outstanding on the Terra-Watt
I’ll trust you on the femto-Watt simply because I’m too lazy to count all those digits.
Just win the next game...!
+100 points for mentioning BTTF
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by digitalbenjamin on Jun 14, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions
And the Marlins would have to move to the American League.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Realignment?
They’d also have to change their name to the Gators.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
Really?
The only thing I recall is that it said “Cubs beat Miami in World Series”. Don’t recall them being called the “Gators”.
However, the Marlins ARE going to be called the “Miami Marlins” when they move into their new park in 2012.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Maybe they, and we, would be better off if the Cubs went back in time to 1908.
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by waiting4cubs on Jun 14, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Mistakes on Wikipedia???/
Noooo…… /sarcasm :)
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by digitalbenjamin on Jun 14, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
It is, in fact, the Gators.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 14, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Hard to believe we could hate him more than we did when he was a Cub.
But he’s there.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Pierre Was the First Baserunner...
in that infamous inning for that team below Georgia in a big series against the Cubs. I don’t want to get any more specific than that.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Sounds like it was a very cool evening,
unfortunately the game started at 2AM local time, so I missed it live.
[platitudes]
I sincerely hope this is the end of the beginning and that soon the light at the end of tunnel will be visible.
[/platitudes]
;-)
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
I hope it does energize this team.
But until this team starts swinging the bats with better consistency, I will hold my breath.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
by Unique on Jun 14, 2010 7:47 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
What, you don't think the entire pitching staff can throw shutouts for the next 99 games?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Please tell me you meant you WON'T hold your breath.
Or you would be taking being Cubbie Blue a bit too far.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
BCB = Breathless Cubbie Blue ???
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
Well....Ted Lilly left me breathless. :)
Can’t remember the last time I was that emotional about a game. We had been listening in the car and raced home to see that last inning after being stuck behind a doofus driving way under the limit. We were pretty keyed up when we ran into the house just in time to see Lilly give up that hit. :( But then we won so I was a bit hysterical cuz I was so thrilled yet upset at the same time.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
LOL
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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State high point count: 2/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 14, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
For using doofus in a sentence. I think I would have called that driver alot worse.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
Shame on you
I have a cousin who was born a doofus and has suffered rejection all his life. Doofusitis is a serious disease that can lead to such terrible resukts as becoming a White Sox fan pr wearing Joe Morgan jerseys. In the future please use a more respectful word to describe people with difficulties..
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
And we know how painful "terrible resukts" can be.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
As long as you are sure to say you are referring to a Cardinals fan.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Let me know when you're blue.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 14, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Great game by Lilly
but losing 2 of 3, and only scoring one run twice against another sub-0.500 team is really grating.
It never gets to be easy
One of these days he really is going to give us a no-hitter
Didn’t he almost have one last year? Or was that 2008?
they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)
2008.
The night after Zambrano got his.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
he had one last year on the first game at wrigley against the rockies
i think he had another one a week after the cubs clinched the division against the brewers and then the 1 after Zs
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I love Patrick Kane, that ugly son of a biscuit.
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by jesus christos on Jun 14, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
September 15, 2008?
6 no-hit innings, gave up a hit in the 7th and got yanked after the inning ended. And Z had thrown his no-no the night before
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Most entertaining game of the year to watch, despite Joe Morgan...
Excellent pitching duel…
Energy at Wrigley was off the charts, especially as the game progressed…
You would have thought it was the NLCS the way I reacted to Tracy’s RBI…
Huge effort to get the “W” after Lilly lost the no-hit bid…
Joe Morgan after the game: “You have to give the player of the game to Lilly, I guess…”
What’s the over/under on how many times Orel Hershiser wants to gouge Joe Morgan’s eyes out during every Sunday night telecast? I’ll start with 42…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
I'll take the over.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
According to this Sun-Times article, Marmol’s balk wasn’t all his fault:
Marmol was called for the balk after slipping on the mound and having the ball hit his leg, then stopping his delivery.
It was raining pretty hard by then.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
he did hit his foot on the ground
I would rather have the balk there than him try to throw it. It might have ended up in the press box.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
curious if the umpire could
rule that weather caused the issue…or it is what it is.
by cozmotaylor123 on Jun 14, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
it is what it is
i dont believe the umps can rule that weather caused it…
by andyross1219 on Jun 14, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't the Bears
… win the NFL title a couple times at Wrigley?
by bourbon_and_branch on Jun 14, 2010 8:05 AM CDT reply actions
Yes.
But I don’t think they had a trophy presentation in those days as they do in the NFL now.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I thought of one!
I was once given a “World’s Best Dad!” Trophy by my daughter in the stands. That would make me the Champion of all Dads… that was a special day for everyone at Wrigley.
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by digitalbenjamin on Jun 14, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions
That was
the most entertaining game of the year. If Marmol had blown it I might not’ve watched another. But they sucked me back in.
DEJESUS!!!
Good lesson on the beauty of baseball
even when your team isn’t winning. I was watching the NBA finals game instead of the Cubs, since I wasn’t interested in watching another loss. Then my two year old, who couldn’t sleep, came down and wanted to see his Cubbies instead (good boy). I switched over, having heard the score was 0-0, but had not idea it was a double no-hitter at that point. What a fun game to see, and a great memory.
me too
I clicked over to the cub game several times to see a 0-0 score but didnt realize it was a no-no until the 7th when I caught it right as it was coming back from commercial. watched it to the end from there.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
Exciting win, but here's a question to ponder
if Floyd no-hit the Cubs, what do you think happens today? Conversely, if Floyd 1 hits the Cubs, and it’s the White Sox who win 1-0, what do you think happens today?
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 14, 2010 8:20 AM CDT reply actions
I had the same thought.
I also wondered if the Cubs could have realistically fired Lou before last night because of the Hawks’ celebration. What would it have looked like if Trammel was hoisting the Cup last night?
Interesting thoughts.
We’ll never know now, right?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I was at Wrigley last night with a friend of mine.
After the Hawks ceremony, I told a friend of mine that if the ceremony didn’t get the Cubs going, nothing would. The ceremony certainly got Lilly going, but who knows about the offense? Was Floyd that good or is the Cubs’ offense that bad?
I do agree Al that a game like this can (for some teams) provide a spark. But this team? I really doubt it. Also, the off day today probably comes at a bad time.
Here’s the question for BCBers — would it make more sense to trade Lilly during the season or offer him arbitration in hopes of getting him back for a year or draft picks?
Was Floyd that good or is the Cubs’ offense that bad?
A little of both, I think. Floyd’s got great stuff and he was on last night.
About Lilly, I think I’d try to re-sign him.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
To a long-term deal or just arbitration?
Also, consider that the Cubs have five starters under team control for next season — Z, Silva, Dempster, Wells and Gorzo without considering Cashner (or Marshall, for that matter).
Given that, what’s the point in signing him long-term? I’m not even sure if arbitration is the way to go, frankly.
Am I understading correctly?
The contract in arbitration is only one year, right? So a player like Lilly, who presumably is looking for something long term, is a near lock to refuse arbitration and the Cubs get the picks?
That's exactly right.
Either the Cubs get Lilly on a one-year deal, or they get draft picks.
Agree
I like Ted and think he’s a good pitcher, but he’s too old to give him a long term deal. The Cubs need to build for the future. I’d rather have the draft picks. Maybe, the Cubs could trade Lilly before the end of the season for something valuable.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Right.
Trading him in-season should be explored. If the return looks better than two draft picks, make the trade.
If the return doesn’t look that good, let him finish the season and then offer him arb. If he accepts, fine (but try to trade Gorzo or Silva). If not, the Cubs get two picks.
Um...given Z and Well's performance this year, getting Lilly back
with arbitration or a reasonable contract seems a good idea to me. Even Gorzo is better left to starting 5th in the rotation…and Lilly seems a good 2nd or 3rd man in the rotation when he’s healthy. Plus, if you do trade him, and I do understand his trade value is best right now, you have Hendry making the trade. Do. Not. Want. Hendrytrades.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Historically, Hendry has made very good trades for the Cubs.
It is his FA signings that have been the problem.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
There's some truth in that.
Doesn’t mean I trust him to do anything. He’d still be the one pulling the trigger.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Right, or...
… maybe they work out some kind of longer deal with Ted. I’d consider two more years.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
But you'd agree ...
that the team has to make another trade to accommodate that, right?
Probably so, yes.
We’ll see next month, I suppose.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Probably?
Just doing the math, how could the Cubs justify a 2-year deal with Ted with so many starting options on the roster?
Because there is value to having a veteran presence like that on the roster.
Ted has been the Cubs’ most consistent starter the last four years, including this year, when his W-L record does not reflect the way he has pitched.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I LOVE Ted Lilly.
But don’t we already have that veteran presence in Dempster?
Here’s what I’d love to see happen … The Cubs trade Gorzo and Silva to contenders down the stretch. Cashner takes Silva’s spot in the rotation.
The Cubs offer Lilly arbitration, he accepts, and the Cubs rotation is Z, Demp, Lilly, Wells and Cashner next year.
That's a possibility, I suppose.
Better get Wells fixed first before you go trading competent starters.
It would be great if someone would take Silva’s contract.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It all depends on whether we're talking 2010 or beyond 2010.
If Wells struggles this year, it’s not that big a deal, because he’s cheap and they can try to fix him in 2011. Plus, Marshall is still with the organization, so if Wells goes all Rich Hill, Marshall can be inserted into the rotation.
If Wells struggles this year? It's past that time my friend.
I don’t mind trying to fix him but counting on it seems a bad idea. And Marshall has been a great reliever for us, but counting on him to be good in the rotation given his past performance there sounds like a bad idea, too. I’d like to have a pitcher as reliable as Lilly has been (healthy) in my rotation. Why trade a competent and reliable starter for a big question mark especially when you have Hendry doing it.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, and I know you don't like talking ...
about cut-bait moves now — and that’s the real crux of the minor disagreement we’re having. You’re still holding out hope for 2010. I haven’t been for a while.
Side note: Do you know that only two of our seven relievers from opening day are still with the team?
About the relievers...
… wow, I didn’t realize it was that many. So just Marshall and Marmol?
It may be cut-bait time in July. But not quite yet. By next month you and I might actually be on the same page.
Not yet, though.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Re: the relievers:
Opening Day pen featured: Shark, Russell, Caridad, Berg and Grabow.
Now, Grabow’s hurt, and with his contract, you figure he’ll be back with the club. But STILL …
Let's hope Grabow stays "injured" until the end of the season.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
You can't re-sign Lilly
Lilly re-signs you
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by digitalbenjamin on Jun 14, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Considering how arbitration works ...
there’s a bit of fact behind your joke. :)
Unless you're Ryan Theriot
HAH HAH
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 14, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
That's assuming Theriot has the range to catch the humor.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, he got it...
But he double-clutched it and was a little late making the connection.
by Steven Schweickert on Jun 14, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
It didn't help that it dribbled into Lee's glove, barely getting there.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I haven't been on the edge of my seat like that in a long time...
Boy does it feel good to get back into this team, and that game really did the trick in pushing me into baseball season… hopefully they can string a few wins together and get back into the race!
What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
The Stanley Cup has been in Wrigley before
Chelios(spelling) brought the cup to the mound when he threw out the first pitch a few years ago.
Yes, I know that.
But that’s not what I wrote. I wrote:
it is, as far as I know, the only time a championship trophy won by a Chicago team has ever been inside Wrigley Field.
I was there that day — August 22, 2008. It was cool to see the Cup that day, but the Red Wings got booed.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
As well the cough scum cough should be.
He should know better than to think a trophy for another city is something the fans want to see in Wrigley Field. He was a great player for the Hawks.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I would like to see Lilly for a few more years in Cubs pinstripes.
Not sure if it’s going to happen but here is a guy we can all be proud of, 1 hitter notwithstanding.
What do we have, 4 weeks until the trade rumors start? If Lou is here or not here, that’s about all the time we have before players like Lilly are rented out to contendors. I’m pulling for them to get it done but I just don’t know.
What a great spectacle last night. Must have been fun to be at the game.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
Hey, elgato...
… wish I’d have known you were going to be there. Would have stopped by.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Hey Al ...
it was a last-minute thing, or else I would have stopped by. I was actually under the overhang behind home plate.
I’ve got tickets to a few more games this year, so I’ll try to stop by when I do. And let me know when you have an extra bleacher seat for a day game. Maybe I’ll come sit with the hardcore folks in left one of these days. :)
Would love to have you out there.
Often have extras for weekday games. Email me when you can make it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Next week, the Cubs are out of town.
But there’s more than half a season left.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I love Lilly
But I’d actually like the Cubs to rebuild. The 2 draft picks Lilly would bring back if he declines Arb could be a big part of the rebuilding effort.
I’ve discussed this a lot in other places, but I would be surprised if Lilly accepted Arb. You’d have to believe he could get a 2 or maybe even 3 year deal elsewhere for the same amount he’d be getting through Arb per year.
If Lilly accepted Arb, that’s not so bad either. It just pushes off this conversation for one more year. Just please, Cubs management, don’t fail to offer him Arb.
by Castro Por Presidente on Jun 14, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Great game
They just kept jinxing it by talking about no-hitters. Really guys? Why not shut up about it? We knew what was happening.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
they talked about how it was OK to talk about it.
by cozmotaylor123 on Jun 14, 2010 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Which what happened should have proven that it's not OK
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Game
I’ll never forget this as long as I live.
For the record I’m 99 percent sure the Bears brought the Super Bowl trophy to Wrigley in 1986.
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As someone who doesn't consider himself a traditionalist ...
I kinda dig the at-bat music. But I like alternate uniforms, instant replay almost across the board and the CONCEPT of the All-Star game deciding home field in the World Series.
But I like alternate uniforms, instant replay almost across the board and the CONCEPT of the All-Star game deciding home field in the World Series.
Oh, brother. Two new arguments for you and me to have. (We agree on replay.)
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Ha.
Well, I don’t like it when teams go nuts with alt uniforms (like the D-Backs used to). But I wouldn’t mind if the Cubs had a couple extra variations.
As for the All-Star game, I don’t think that fans should elect the teams if the game decides home field. But I like the fact that the game matters.
The game only matters because Bud forced it to.
It’s still played like a glorified exhibition game. It shouldn’t be the deciding factor.
In fact, if the leagues just got together and did skills competitions and HR derby, it might be more fun than the game itself.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Well, there's no way the game could end in a tie anymore.
But I see your point.
Culturally, it’s interesting that All-Star games mean so much less than they used to. I wonder if it’s because we get to see so many games now in the regular season, or if exhibition play means less in our high-speed culture.
I think it's all of the above.
Also, the leagues used to have much more of a rivalry in those days. That’s more blurred now with interleague play.
Exhibitions? Definitely — note that there are no more in-season exhibitions by MLB teams, although they used to do this all the time.
Maybe it’s time for MLB to re-think the whole concept. Don’t expect this while Bud is still in charge.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Miss the Exhibitions
The first one that comes to mind is the Hall of Fame Game in Cooperstown. There was the Crosstown Classic before the Cubs played the White Sox played regular season games against each other. On occasion, a major league team would play one of its minor league teams during the regular season. That didn’t happen very often back in the 1980’s, but it wasn’t unheard of.
I imagine there were more in-season exhibitions back in the 1960’s and 1970’s. You would know a lot more about that than I would.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Need An Editor
There was the Crosstown Classic before the Cubs played the White Sox in regular season games.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Long tradition of Cubs playing Sox in exhibition games,
although the first examples were post-season. The first series was supposed to go 15 games, but they quit after 14 with each team winning 7! That was 1903. They did this most years until 1942. After WWII they played charity exhibition games during the season. Remember Michael Jordan playing right field for the Sox in 1994?
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by waiting4cubs on Jun 14, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
They played what was called "the Boys Benefit Game"...
… a charity game between the Cubs and Sox, every year from 1949 to 1972, alternating ballparks.
They also played two in-season exhibitions in 1981, just before the season resumed after the strike. They played a 0-0 tie at Comiskey Park, and the Sox won 4-3 at Wrigley.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I remember those games. I loved them, as a kid.
Didn’t some corporate sponsors get into it, like Gatorade?
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by waiting4cubs on Jun 14, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't recall.
Corporate sponsorship wasn’t as big in those days as it is now, though.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
0-0 Tie At Comiskey
That game was on WGN with Harry Caray announcing for the White Sox. 1981 was the only season between 1967 and 1990 that WGN had any White Sox games.
MLB Network showed a game earlier this year from 1981 between the Red Sox and White Sox of Carlton Fisk’s return to Fenway Park. That was a WGN telecast with Harry Caray and Jimmy Piersall.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
That 1981 game...
… was on Opening Day, April 10, 1981. It was Fisk’s first game back after having left the Red Sox.
He hit a three-run homer in the 8th inning that essentially won the game for the White Sox.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And he only forced it to because
he was embarrassed to be sitting in his new shiny park and have the fans boo the tie. Where W.S. games are played from here until the rule is changed is based on a few minutes of discomfort for one guy.
you'd think as old as he is, he'd be used to a few minutes of discomfort every now and then...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Hah!
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep, a lot of bad mistakes have been made when a man in power gets embarrassed.
Selig doing that sure is one of them. The worst of it was doing so with current realignment…the NL having more bad teams to pull mandatory “all stars” from makes this game a mockery when it gives the AL home field. A tie didn’t happen often and Selig just overreacted….which isn’t surprising for that idiot.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
The music?
Not in the least. Don’t care. So many people have gotten bent out of shape over a five-second music clip. It’s 100% meaningless.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I agree
It’s like the alternate blue tops. It’s 100% meaningless…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Oh, you just love to tweak me, don't you.
The jerseys last the entire game. The music lasts five seconds per batter. Big difference.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I like the alt tops ...
but mostly on the road. The Cubs road grays are boring.
I hate the blue softball jerseys
Looks good in a beer league.
"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
Yeah, I'll take boring over those softball jerseys, sounds like a good way to describe them.
They look cheezy.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
it sucks for those 5 seconds if you sit near one the speakers....
…the sound system in the bleachers isn’t real high tech, kinda like a bad boom box.
Yeah, I know.
I’m not sure why they changed it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
an assault on the senses is still an assault, regardless of duration
and to further continue my tweaking… ;-)
Would it still be meaningless to you if Ronnie Woo Woo stood behind your seats and did his woo woo thing for 5 seconds before every Cub batter? Somehow I think not.
And just for the record, I would not have “tweaked” you on this if you had framed your comment as more of your opinion. But it sure read (at least to me) like a slam on those who object to the music.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Wasn't intended that way.
Only to say that my opinion is that I don’t care.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
in that case, I respectfully withdraw my tweak
and save it for another time… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Here's where I disagree with you.
You (and I) are okay with the Toyota sign because it brings in additional dollars. Having the an alternate jersey does that same thing. Unless of course it isn’t the idea of having an alternate jersey you oppose, just the “softball” jerseys we currently have.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I'm guessing the alt jerseys bring in way less $ than the sign.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Haven't heard the music yet. And glad. Hearing them every batter will be grating.
It will remind me of hearing St. Louis do that during the McGwire/Sosa era with all their self-proclaimed "tradition’….it was so hokey and desperate I hated it every time. I do agree it doesn’t affect the players, but it’s just annoying. Hopefully it will fail to catch on and get put back in the dumpster of bad ideas.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Of all the pitchers on the staff
I really would have liked to see Lilly get the no-no. You could tell when he bolted out in the 9th inning how much he wanted it, and I think it would have been amazing for him to notch it but I think he was excited to get a W. I agree on the IBB to Rios – loading the bases with Marmol pitching only works if Marmol gets ahead of the hitter. If he falls behind 1-0, 2-0 with bases jammed, he has to be a different pitcher. It worked out, he got ahead of Konerko, but strategically I did not like the call. I’d rather have him work carefully to Rios and see if he could have gotten Rios to chase something – why just give up the free pass?
Second, with the rain and slick ball/field, turning a DP would have been very difficult.
Specially with Riot at 2nd.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Lilly got off to a rough start this year...
but he’s very quietly having another excellent year. His ERA is now in the in the 2’s.
And he ranks 72nd out of 74 qualified starters in the NL in run support.
Only two Pirate starters (Ohlendorf and Morton) have less.
In Ted’s last five starts, the Cubs have scored 1,1, 2, 2 and 1 run(s), respectively, and the Cubs are 2-3 in those five games. Ted is 1-2 with two ND’s.
Overall the Cubs are 4-6 in Ted’s starts, but have scored more than four runs only twice and a total of only 25 runs in the 10 games.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Obviously Lilly
isn’t good enough to throw shutouts more often. It’s so wrong to blame the offense when clearly the blame should be placed on Theodore.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Watching the game
and playing scrabble with the family. Ted Lilly is wonderful, I would sign him to a two year deal if he took it.
Part of me last night was thinking they are going to blow this game in true 2010 Cub fashion and the other part was “get this game, grit this game out”
The plate discipline or lack of, just kills this team. Colvin first AB he swung at one strike and struckout, DLee in the first swung at a pitch helmet level, K.Hill in the 7th, with a 2-0 count swung so hard at a pitch eye level that his bat almost came out of hands. And Theriot is just clueless. Goodness, Lilly grounds out in the 3rd for the second out, It is a unspoken rule the next hitter to take a pitch so the pitcher can at least sit down for 30 seconds, Theriot swings at the first pitch and fouls it off. Nit picking, maybe, but this team just plays dumb. Castro getting thrown out in the 8th on a pitch-out that AJ double clutched on. I thought for sure Castro would have beaten the throw.
Thank goodness for Ted and Marmol who battled through. Goodness this team needs life injected into it. The only hope is this division is horrible.
Wake up Cubs there is a lot of season left.
Castro is apparently not a mudder
I’d guess the wet basepaths slowed him down a bit.
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
His mother was a mudder?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 14, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
His fadda was a mudda
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jun 14, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Not sure how much...
…of the duel no-hitters was great pitching and how much of it was two teams who can’t hit, but it was an exciting game and maybe, just maybe, this whole Hawk celebration thing may trigger some positive play for a while.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Overall, last night's game might be the best game I get to this year
The Blackhawks players and staff were extremely gracious in spiriting the Stanley Cup around Wrigley Field. The pre-game activities must have lasted 25-30 minutes. Wrigley Field might have been a better place to see the Stanley Cup and the Blackhawks than the parade and rally itself.
And the game was tense with several would be hits snagged in the outfield. The air looked heavy in the outfield; balls that sounded good off the bat just died at the warning track.
Nice going Chicago.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
Wrigley Field might have been a better place to see the Stanley Cup and the Blackhawks than the parade and rally itself.
Some of us in the bleachers made this very same observation during the pregame ceremony, which did take about 25 minutes. It was wonderful.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I know I would not have gotten that close to the Cup
if I’d gone to the parade or rally. And the number of crowd roars when the Cup was lifted, the first pitch and all three teams in one picture. Very well done.
I’m glad I bought tickets off one of my fellow season ticket holder at fave value. Very glad!
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Jun 14, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Lilly said...
…the pre-game ceremony created more energy than he had felt since the WS back in 2001.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
That's definitely the most energy I've felt at Wrigley in a couple of years, maybe longer.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I was happy to see Dempster
catch that ceremonial first pitch and hoist the trophy. And this was one one time I didn’t mind the celebrities messing up the words to TMOTTBG.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
Next Year's rotation
As the Cubs continue to deleverage, I think there is no way that they offer Lilly arb or try to extend him. Gorz looks like a suitable replacement at a much lower price. I think Z & Demp are the only long-term vets who you can count on being in the rotation next year. Next year will be about saving some cash and seeing what you’ve got going forward.
by Mmurton on Jun 14, 2010 9:32 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
As noted above
You offer Lilly arb because it is fairly doubtful he’d take a 1-year deal and then you get draft pick compensation next year in what is viewed as a loaded draft.
If he were to accept, you have Gorz, Silva, and Lilly who would all be on one-year deals (essentially) and would all have varying levels of tradeability.
I'd bet you Lilly WOULD accept arb.
Ted owns a house here. I think he likes it here and would like to stay — you might get a hometown discount on a two-year extension, which I would definitely give.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
if the Cubs gave him the extension ...
would they also get the draft picks? They would, wouldn’t they?
Nope.
You don’t get draft picks for extending your own players’ contracts.
Or am I misunderstanding your question?
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
No, you got it.
So the Cubs would only get draft picks if Lilly turned down their arbitration offer?
and signed with someone else
if he turned it down and retired, we get nothing
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 14, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
but why not just go year-to-year
with him on arb
gives you more flexibility when building in the future than having Lilly locked up for 2 years
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 14, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm not sure why you want that though
if the premise is Lilly will accept a hometown discount, the discount should be given in the years, not the dollars
dollars per year is less important for a big-market team than the years itself and with Lilly going on 35 next year its in the Cubs benefit to keep years very short. This is one reason why arbitration works so well. The other reason is that the Cubs aren’t likely to be contenders next year and while I have hope for 2012, it might be too soon to realize a turnaround by then as well. That means the flexibility of being able to get draft picks to continue to pump depth in the system (through the arbitration process) should be more important to the Cubs than locking up a solid 3rd starter for a 75-83 win team
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 14, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
This game and Hawk celebration was in my top 5 sporting events I've atteneded.
I’ve been to a couple of no hitters and numerous playoff games but this was terrific. The Hawks walked around for about a half an hour. The did the team line hand shakes. Ozzie held the trophy up and everyone booed. Well, not everyone. Dempster held the trophy up and kissed it.
They had a three team photo on the mound that I would love to get a copy of. I think it was Kane who handed the ball to McDonough for the first pitch. The seventh inning stretch was great. We were twirling the white towels they handed out. The ceremony was historical and then Teddy Baseball amost made the game historical. Great game, great night. It felt like a playoff game.
So which player(s) sang the stretch?
And at what point in the game did Patrick Kane black out, I wonder.
Maybe Vuvuzelas would awake the Cubs' bats ========<() toot toot
On the other hand, maybe this isn’t such a good idea.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
How are the people in Germany to the win against Australia?
They made the Aussies look like school boys yesterday?
"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
Germany >>>> Socceroos
Hard to believe Ballack wasn’t a part of that.
by Castro Por Presidente on Jun 14, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
There is some semi-serious speculation here,
that Jogi Löw (the German coach) is secretly “glad” that Ballack is not available for this year’s World Cup.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jun 14, 2010 1:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah he may have lost a step
but not seeing him is as sad as not seeing Inzaghi.
by Castro Por Presidente on Jun 14, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Happy and optimistic - the real crunch starts in the next round.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jun 14, 2010 1:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
When I stayed in Jena there, I lived with a German family for a few days and the Husband sold sports jerseys...
And as you can guess, most of it was soccer jerseys. He had a whole attic of them hanging there waiting to be sold. Showed me a few moves on his lawn…soccer sure is king out there. I’ve gotten a greater appreciation for it.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I haven't watched the match yet
How did Schweinsteiger look?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
How good is that name!
Would love the Cubs to have a guy named Schweinsteiger one day
by Castro Por Presidente on Jun 14, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
How about the German goalie: Butt
Now that’s a LOL name in English, if there ever was one.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
Schweinsteiger? To be honest, I don't really remember.
Kicker gave him a grade of “2.0” which would a “B+” in the US.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
@tingham
Check out the “KICKER” website. It gives all the news about what is going on in sports in Germany. Or “Fußball.de”.
Noooo...horrible idea. That beehive nonsense is unlistenable.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Please, no.
Those things are blaring at 130 decibels, which is 10 db over the standard human pain tolerance at 120 db.
Small wonder the players are having trouble thinking out on the pitch.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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State high point count: 2/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 14, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
It's even difficult to hear the announcers at some games
hate those things.
by Castro Por Presidente on Jun 14, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I have it on good authority
That FIFA is getting very angry about those things, and they may soon exert the South African government to ban them.
Consider this. The World Cup is usually about signing, partying fans, in the stands and outside, and yet even the English fans couldn’t drown them out.
Two players from Slovenia shouted at each other after a communications mixup due to the horns nearly led to a goal for Algeria yesterday. Several French players have complained the noise is so bad that they couldn’t execute their game plan against Uruguay.
This is not the South Africa Cup. It is the World Cup. The people with those horns need to realize the difference.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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State high point count: 2/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 14, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed.....and its ruining the experience for most
….especially those of us who are curious fans of the “football” and the World Cup.
The fans singing and chanting for their teams is part of the experience.
Deep Horn.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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State high point count: 2/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 14, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
This was Great!
I never would have thought that the Cubs could win a game like this, this season. And extra points for doing it against the Sox. Glad to see the 45-year no-hitter drought AGAINST the Cubs continues.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Hmm... no mention of Jim "Hippo" Vaughn and Fred Toney yet?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Two anemic offenses = near no-hitter
not to take anything away from Lilly and Floyd – who both pitched their asses off, but lets be serious here, neither the Cubs or Sox are hitting machines. Not to mention the guys who broke up each no-hit bid have been absolutely terrible at the dish this year. It was just crap hitting upstaged by good pitching.
Summary of a typical Soriano season...
…great – bad – great – bad – great – bad……………………
You get the idea.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
He's slumped, sure.
But that’s just Soriano. He’s still leading the team in HRs, he’s hitting (about) .280 and his defense is much improved from last year.
There are a lot of problems on this team, and Soriano isn’t one of them.
On the whole...
yeah, I agree. He’s had a surprisingly very good year. But he’s been in a funk lately, and there’s really no denying that.
When you add up...
…all his funks and hot streaks, he usually produces some pretty good numbers and he has always been this way.
His biggest achilles heel is facing good pitching and solid scouting reports in the post-season, because he is the typical guy that gets shut down in those environments. Which is why he isn’t the guy you want at the top of your order to try and spark offense in those situations.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
He has been lately, and sure he will eventually come out of it. But he has been a problem lately.
Leading this team in HRs, even for a team based on hitting them, isn’t a big accomplishment this year. I would give him kudos for improving his defense, seems like since the hopping stop lol he’s done a better job. Just…keep him there now that he’s been better.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Some truth to what you say...
…and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Cubs or Sox get no hit sometime this year or come close to it again.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I hope not
I really like the fact that the last time the Cubs were no-hit was the Koufax game, both because it is a point of pride for the Cubs to have gone that long (even though it is somewhat fluky, given that the teams since haven’t all been offensive juggernauts to say the least) and because it is a good mention of Koufax’s greatness whenever you hear it
That reminded me of the broadcasters talking about Koufax during the first Strasburg game.
It was great to hear his name again…until they started listing Washington Senators great pitchers and Strasburg being part of the great “Washington tradition”. Guess you failed to mention the Nats came from Montreal didn’t ya? I’m sure they wanted a story to run with for the national broadcast, but it was an odd thing to say. Just compare great pitchers like Koufax to Strasburg and leave it at that lol.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
The 1961 Stanley Cup, won by the Chicago Blackhawks, made it to Waveland Ave.
Ballhawk Moe said he remembers seeing some of the Hawks walking with the Cup down Waveland Ave. back in 1961. If it made it to Waveland, you’d think it would have made it inside Wrigley Field, but he couldn’t vouch for that.
Anyone know any season-ticket holders from that era?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Santo said last night...
…that he was at the game the Hawks won the Cup in 61. I wonder if he knows the game was in Detroit, and it was in the middle of the baseball season.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Well, give Santo some credit.
The baseball season in 1961 started on April 11.
The Hawks won the 1961 Stanley Cup on April 16 in Detroit. It’s possible Santo might have attended one of the home Finals games, although obviously not the clincher.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yep...
…he made it sound like he was at the final game, but when Pat asked him who they played he didn’t have a clue.
I think he meant that he was in Chicago when they won the Cup in 61.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I just looked up the 1961 schedule for my other comment and noticed...
Cubs had a home game against Milwaukee on Saturday, April 15 but did not play again until Tuesday, April 18 at Pittsburgh. Probably was a rain-out on Sunday, and scheduled day off on Monday.
So I guess technically it’s possible Ron got in a car and drove on over to Detroit to watch the Hawks win it. More likely that he just misremembered.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
He was at the game with Joe Morgan
"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
Bet both of them hoisted the Cup on the mound the next day...during the ninth inning warmups.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Season ticket holders?
In 1961? The Cubs drew 673,057 in 1961. They played 77 home games; 11 of them were doubleheaders, meaning they had 66 home dates. That’s an average of 10,198 per date.
Season tickets were not a big deal until the 1980’s. I doubt there were more than 2,000 season tickets, if that.
GIven that it’s almost 50 years ago, even if there were some, many of them are likely long deceased.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
ok, poor choice of words perhaps.
I was just trying to identify those that would have been to most every game that year – season ticket holders seemed like the way to go.
How about this: Anyone know any die-hard old-timer Cubs fans that would have attended most, if not all, of the Cubs home games around the last half of April, 1961? Specifically April 26 through May 4 (their next homestand after Hawks won the Cup).
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Interesting.
The Hawks won the Cup on April 16, 1961 in Detroit. They would have waited until 10 days later to bring the Cup down Waveland?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Does seem like a long time to wait
I’m guessing team-oriented events (and marketing showcase opportunities) weren’t as prevalent back then either. But it was the next time the Cubs were home, so if for some reason, someone in the Blackhawks organization had a close relationship with the Cubs, that would have been the first chance to do something like this.
A more likely possibility though is a few of the Blackhawks just ‘borrowed’ the Cup for the day and took it to Wrigley. Not sure if the current tradition of every player having the Cup for a day was in place back then – I’m guessing things were a lot less structured back then. That Cup has gone through quite a few interesting adventures (and misadventures) over the years.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
A more likely possibility though is a few of the Blackhawks just ‘borrowed’ the Cup for the day and took it to Wrigley.
Sounds likely. In those days, of course, a lot of pro athletes lived year round in the cities in which they played, so maybe a few of the Hawks who lived in Chicago did just that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
April 26th
I vivdly remeber that game. My first game in person at Wrigley. Don’t remember any mention of the Blackhawks. It was a different time, to be sure. Cup final game was not even telecast in Chicago area. Also, only 6 teams in NHL w/four in playoffs every year. No one thought the Hawks wouldn’t win another in the upcoming years back then.
"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields
And there was a snow storm delayed the Hawks in DET, correct?
According to Bobby Hull. He said that the delay really took the air out of their celebration balloon.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Jun 14, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
1969-74
Looking at hockey-reference.com, I see that the Blackhawks had a lot of good teams in the early 1970’s. Five straight trips to the NHL semifinals, three seasons with at least 105 regular season points, and two trips to the Stanley Cup finals are what the Blackhawks had from 1969-1974.
It looks like they had another good run from 1989-1993 with two 106-point seasons, two trips to the conference finals, and a trip to the 1992 Stanley Cup finals.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Good win for us last night
Sorry I missed it, maybe my absence brings us good luck. Hmmmmm.
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My take on last night's game
1) Lilly pitches a one hitter and Marmol has to tight rope with bases loaded for the save. Marmol’s balk was caused more by the conditions than anything, but it makes me glad the runners were on first and second at the time. If there was a time to have that unfortunate Cubbie occurrence, that was the time.
2) There was timely hitting from the Cubs offense. Floyd took his no-hitter through 6.2 innings and the Cubs manufactured the winning run. Soriano made good contact for the double and Tracy drove him in. One run was all we needed. I would have liked to have seen better hitting, but you have to tip your hat to the opposing starter in this case.
3) The White Sox still took the series. This team still doesn’t score many runs. If Lilly hadn’t taken his no-hitter into the 9th, I think it’s safe to say we would have lost that game. Marmol was shaky, but he got the job done. As exciting as the game was, the Cubs still cannot win series.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Marmol...
…is scary, but the dude just has absolutely electric stuff. He has to have one of the lowest batting averages against of any pitcher in the last 10 years.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Marmol is indeed scary
He’ll strike out a lot of batters, but he’ll walk his share as well. That’s where he gets into trouble.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
His walks are down this year.
That’s the major reason he’s been so successful.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Last night, Hershiser said Marmol is on pace to shatter the all time K's per 9 ratio this year....
…..held by Gagne.
Gagne 14.98 K’s per 9 in 2003
Marmol this year, 17.49 K’s per 9
Not sure if he can keep that pace up, but at least its something worth watching this year. It would be nice if we saw him more often, since that means were in the game or have the lead.
It's not just that record...
… Marmol has faced 122 batters and struck out 54 of them. That’s 44.3% of ALL batters he’s faced. I believe that would also be a record.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I'd like to know...
…how his batting average matches up against whatever the record is. He has to be in the ballpark of being one of the lowest.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
He may have the record, from 2007.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Mistake, 2008,
he had a BA Against of .140 according to fangraphs, this year he’s at .146
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Not sure what the record is
but I remember Eric Gagne with a really low year. I checked and he was .133 in 2003.
So who else changed the channel in the ninth?
I couldn’t bring myself to watch. I didn’t want to see another soul-crushing defeat. And I have no problem admitting that.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
by Ross on Jun 14, 2010 11:35 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I thought about it
To be honest I was sure they were going to lose. Just seems the way things are going this year. Very good to see a win.
"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
I admit
That I considered it right after Marmol balked.
I actually turned it off and started to walk out of the room, but I couldn’t do it. I went 20 feet, turned around and turned it back on.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Shoot, I didn't even change it when "True Blood" started
and I’d been waiting all year for that. I haven’t watched much baseball lately, but that was a classic last night. If only it had been on CSN or WGN, I would have enjoyed it much more.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
Ted has been so close
to pitching a no hitter a few times. I hope he gets one very soon. He deserves it.
by sue369 on Jun 14, 2010 11:45 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
He nearly threw one the day after Z’s, in Milwaukee vs. the Astros.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I should have read through the thread before asking my question above
Ted’s due soon, methinks. If so, I’ll replace my iPhone Z photo with Sir Ted.
they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)
You're pretty stingy with your iPhone photo ...lol.
Bet Ted could will it to change if he wanted to.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
rec'd
I was at one of those games. That’s when I fell in love with him.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jun 14, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I fell in love with him at the Cubs Convention in Jan 07
He was asked which current player he would most like to play with and with that little semi smirk of a smile he said " Greg Maddux".
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 14, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw him pitch the day after Z in Milwaukee where he also came semi near a no hitter
I also love Lilly. :)
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 14, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
oh ok
Shame on me for multitasking…. :)
We were only a few rows up from the dugout. Best seats ever.
I will be sad when/if he gets traded away.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 14, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I had the cheapest seats I could get,
but it was still awesome. I went by myself because it was so last minute. Since there was no one with me to talk to or otherwise distract me I didn’t miss a pitch.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
My Ted Lilly moment came...
…when I heard the story about him checking the lineup card when he was scheduled to pitch and muttering to himself “Damn, ninth again.”
That’s when I realized here’s a guy I could really really start to like.
That and the time he went bowling for Molina’s. That was pretty cool too.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Heh. Tis true.
‘Course they’re all punks to TRL.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
This picture makes me happy
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 14, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
BFFs?
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm Appalled
“This recap was going to be all about the Blackhawks’ appearance at Wrigley Field”
absolutel disgusting, Al i come to this site to read up on the cubs and read a decent recap. Frankly over the last few days all you’ve been doing is giving ur very biased opinion about the cubs play and what they should do about Lou.
I have had it. This is a Cubs site not a Hawks site so why dont you go elsewhere if you plan not to give me a fair Cubs Recap
All your talk about Its time for Lou to be fired, It may be time for you to pass this job, you’re becoming a geezer urself. You’ve done a great job since u were handed this job but uv been making this site as stale as its ever been
Ramlee Zamfukusoridero
sorry you don't feel that the event in S. Philly of June 9th, 2010...
doesn’t rank up there. You saw the title, you ventured in here on your own volition .
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jun 14, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
http://www.secondcityhockey.com/
Enjoy
Ramlee Zamfukusoridero
by hiphopgamer26 on Jun 14, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Go read TC Cubby's comment below
You can’t even take your own advice 9 days later.
Just win the next game...!
Oh no, he was ambushed
Completely deceived. He deserves a full refund of his monthly BCB subscription…
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Jun 14, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Your not a real sports fan...
…if you don’t feel the Hawks championship has deserved the attention they have received, even involving bringing the Cup to Wrigley.
I may be biased because I love the game of hockey and I am a huge Hawks fan, but there is not question in my mind that the pre-game events helped to elevate the quality of the game last night. Lilly was very clear that he felt the same way.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
trust me i love hockey and the hawks, and yes im proud that the hawks won it
But this is what i have a problem with
“"This recap was going to be all about the Blackhawks’ appearance at Wrigley Field"”
thats not the correct thing to do on a CUBS site
Ramlee Zamfukusoridero
by hiphopgamer26 on Jun 14, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's call it...
…extenuating circumstances. They do happen once in a while.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
this site does have mostly all Cubs' fans on it and they pretty much all disagree with you.
So if you think you know what is best for a CUBS site, go start one of your own where you can do whatever you want. This was a historic event yesterday and most of Chicago wanted to see the Cup …that’s something you talk about in a recap so folks will notice it…because it did happen at the game. If you don’t like that and you disagree with Al so much as you do, just leave, do it now. Start that site so everyone can see your awesome wisdom Al’s been overshadowing.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Appalled and disgusted?
LOL, really? Those are two very strange emotions to have based on the content of a blog post. Step away from the computer for a bit, man.
That and IT'S ONE DAY!
the recap didn’t involve that when it turned out to be an interesting exciting game to watch. Also had the Cubs played like they did the rest of the series…. he won’t have wanted to hear about Lou’s bad decision either. So either way it sounds like he would have been appalled.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 14, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I knew he was going to bitch about walking Rios
it was the right thing to do stop complaining!!
“Really? Yes, I know Konerko’s a double play possibility… and they nearly got one; Konerko bounced to Lee, who threw home for the force.”
Ramlee Zamfukusoridero
by hiphopgamer26 on Jun 14, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Then if you don't like the content you don't have to read it
I used to listen to one of the cubs podcasts (it will remain nameless b/c I don’t want to rip on it) and stopped b/c well it was just sorta depressing.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 14, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
He used to be disgusted, now he should be just amused
I know I am.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Jun 14, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
We're all really sorry Al didn't consult you for his recap ideas beforehand.
If you like, in future, you can submit to us a list of hiphopgamer-approved recap titles and we can try our best to fit them into our posts.
If not, will you yell at us like this, too?
If you don’t like it, then leave.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, June 12....
State high point count: 2/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 14, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd.
This idiot has some sort of Napoleon complex. Hawks win the SC, Chicago wants to join in on the party, Fans go nuts and get teary eyed seeing it at Wrigley Field…and using one damn recap during a bad season is wrong…sheesh. Go start your own blog where no one can disappoint you.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Be careful
with the Napoleon remark. There are some people here very sensitive about the height subject. Check out the Yu Darvish thread.
DEJESUS!!!
I only meant that he wants to take over and be in charge.
I’m not checking a thread out about being PC. If I insult height-challenged people, then I would.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not a hockey fan, but
bringing the cup to Wrigley was a big deal. With the way the Cubs have been playing of late, I can see how Al would have expected that to be the most exciting story of the day. It must have been such a thrill to be there to see the game actually upstage all the hoopla.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
It was a really great moment
and all first class by the Cubs organization, players and staff and the White Sox also. A great show of appreciation for how their championship run.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Jun 14, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Just having it - who cares where, as long as it is the Cubs'
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
i guess its true
if someone can find one small thing to bitch and complain about, they will
Self-Proclaimed President of the Castro Boobird Face Kicking Club
I love Patrick Kane, that ugly son of a biscuit.
"It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man"~JR
by jesus christos on Jun 14, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Ummmm....
This is a Cubs site not a Hawks site so why dont you go elsewhere if you plan not to give me a fair Cubs Recap
Actually, it is Al’s site. He dictates the content. So, it may be you who needs to go somewhere else.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
Actually
It’s not really his site, he only provides the content. This was all handed to him, the actual owner is Tyler Bleszinski who i would like to quote;
It’s been nearly seven years and SB Nation has grown into the fastest growing sports media company on the planet because the ideals the company was founded upon: professional quality, fan perspective, wound up resonating with millions of other fans out there. I feel fortunate to be involved with such great people throughout this network.
Al’s biased opinions and his """This recap was going to be all about the Blackhawks’ appearance at Wrigley Field""" are not professional at all.
Ramlee Zamfukusoridero
by hiphopgamer26 on Jun 14, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
WOW. A WARNING FOR CRITICISM
by the way AL, i managed to see your post before u cowardly deleted it;
ill take your advice, ill leave this junkhole and come back when you pass the torch.
Ramlee Zamfukusoridero
by hiphopgamer26 on Jun 14, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm...doesn't seem to be as much of a troll as Blou is. More of a chronic whiner and complainer.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Man I sure hope that's a promise.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
It must be nice to have so much time on ones hands to look these things up to be able to quote SN NATION.
Has anyone else even read that??
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 14, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Good riddance.
And you don’t even need porn for your self-love.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, June 12....
State high point count: 2/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 14, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
So what your saying is
Al can never write about the Blackhawks on BCB? Al needs to keep his blinders on and never stray from baseball?
There is this document called the Bill of Rights . You might want to read up on the First Amendment.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Jun 14, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
SB Nation Editorial Philosophy
from here
SB Nation was born through the passion of a frustrated sports fan who used to be a print reporter. He felt like no traditional media outlet was covering his team the way that he wanted, which was with a passionate, authoritative voice that would also remain true to a lot of the journalistic principles. In short, professional quality, fan perspective.
We firmly believe that sports objectivity is a myth. We’ve always been forthcoming about the fact that we’re relentlessly passionate about the teams and sports we cover. Across the SB Nation network you’ll find that our writers live and breathe sports 24/7/365.
We capture that passion and enable conversation about prevalent topics that fans care about. We’ve created strong communities that teem with intelligent conversation, and we remain passionate and emotionally invested along with our audience in the sports we cover. This network was created by fans for fans, and that remains core to our editorial principles.
I think the editorial philosophy of SB Nation clearly invalidates your statement of Al’s bias and the first sentence of his recap.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Jun 14, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Within your evidentiary quote
you offer support to the counter-argument:
SBN offers a fan perspective. While I’m sure there are fans who care about the Cubs alone, I suspect that most of us care about multiple teams. I’d call myself a Cubs/Bears/Magic/Duke bball fan. Al’s a Blackhawks fan, as are many of the readers of this site and for one game out of 162, Al thought that the hockey team bringing a trophy to Wrigley might end up a bigger story than the game itself. He was wrong, which is why the recap is NOT about the Blackhawks. I don’t care about hockey, but I’m glad that when I come to this site for a biased opinion, I get more than I would reading a game recap on ESPN.com.
Basically: chill out, dude.
Thanks to Al for running a great site.
http://www.fivetoolfans.com
What's with all the quotation marks?
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
My my
who got your knickers in a twist today?………sheesh.
It was a great occasion. You do know the Hawks won the Stanley Cup, right? j/k sort of. Bringing the Cup to Wrigley was a great moment for both teams and seemed to energize both sides.
This is Al’s blog and if you don’t like it, don’t read it……….plain and simple. I don’t think anyone, least of all Al, is twisting your arm, to do otherwise.
That is all.
Take some of your own advice
HATERS GONNA HATE
if you dont likesoccerthis post, dont go simple as that…im surewrigleyBleed Cubbie Blue will be sold out with no problems
hiphopgamer26, June 5, 2010
by TC Cubby on Jun 14, 2010 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
that was a fan post
You know what a fanpost is? it can be about anything semi related to the cubs….
this is supposed to be a CUBS RECAP and he was not planning to give one
horrible job
Ramlee Zamfukusoridero
by hiphopgamer26 on Jun 14, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not supposed to be anything
you did not pay anything to read this website
Al owes you no contractual or other legal duty
This is his site, and you are free to read it or ignore it
If you want to voice your disappointment to Al, fine, but I don’t see how the content of a fan blog site can get anyone so worked up on a Monday
Also, this just in—Ted Lilly pitched a terrific game, and the Cubs won. Why are you so angry about something that didn’t even take place?
i blame my dog
I am just as superstitious as every baseball player in the world…so last night im watching on the couch with my wife and my two dogs laying next to me…i didnt realize it was a no-no until about the 6th inning either, so i was switching between family guy and the game when it was at commercials, and im getting excited, and my wife is wondering what the hell is wrong with me…“Its just really cool if it happens”…my wife:“what are you talking about”…me:“nothing, i cant say anything until its over”…so my dog decided to get up in the bottom of the eigth inning, go in the kitchen and lay in one of his beds…and i look at him, and i tell him “If he loses this, im blaming you!”….next inning, single to pierre…I looked at the dog, “Its all your fault!”…
…i think i need a life?…
I think you need to make sure ...
… that next time there’s a no-no going and your dog is sitting on the couch, he stays there.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Stay!
Good boy…
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Jun 14, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Phew.
I thought it was me. The hit came right after I made it home and got in front of the TV. Also, I had texted my daughter that there was a “double no hitter going on” while I was out. Wasn’t sure if it was my watching or my texting that screwed it up.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
I was watching the no-hitter when...
my girlfriend’s 15 year old came walking into the room with his Cardinal shirt on…BANG…instantly Pierre’s basehit. I looked at him and real calmly said, “do you realize that you only have seconds to live?” Never seen him the rest of the night.
"I’ve won over 1,800 games as a manager and I’m not a damn dummy. That I can tell you, OK? There are only 13 others that have won more games than me, so I guess I think I know what the hell I’m doing."- Lou Piniella 6/11/10
Ugh. Scalp the kid for just having the shirt on. You sure that's the right gf for you?
I’m sure she’s a nice lady, but she must have done something wrong with her son lol.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Ahh...bad karma texting or saying no no going on. Might be a combo of you and the dog getting up.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
even theodore couldnt resist the power of the Evil Empire
Peter Abraham of The Boston Globe tweets that Ted Lilly was “begging” the Yankees to sign him before the 2007, but they went for Kei Igawa instead.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/06/odds-ends-phillies-astros-lee.html
oh how things would have changed…
Self-Proclaimed President of the Castro Boobird Face Kicking Club
I love Patrick Kane, that ugly son of a biscuit.
"It's the Chicago Blackhawks, man"~JR
If that had happened, the Cubs probably would have signed Gil Meche.
Good thing it worked out the way it did.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I don't know about begging
but it was entirely public that Lilly want to sign with the Yankees. He told Hendry that he would sign with the Cubs if the Yankees turned him down, which they did.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 14, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
thank god for that
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 14, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
if you're near a tv
go to espn and watch this college game.
alabama was down 8-1 with 2 outs in the 9th…. they’re now down 8-6 with runners on 2nd and 3rd.
Insanity.
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
Clemson gets out of it.
The starting pitcher from YESTERDAY had to come on to get that final out. Clemson to the World Series.
LOVE college baseball.
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
It's sure fun to watch.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Just Amazing....
That’s really the only way I can describe this game. I was attending in celebration of my own birthday and took my dad as a Father’s Day gift (he is a diehard Sox fan). Couldn’t have been a more perfect evening besides the rain, as we are both also diehard Hawks fans and I bought the tickets back in March so there was no way to know what we were in for.
The feeling in the stands when the Hawks emerged with Lord Stanley was completely euphoric, and I can only hope I get to experience the same thing with my Cubbies one day. It only added to the excitement when Lilly took the field each inning, so much so that I was perhaps too confident and yelled for the Cubs to end the 8th quickly so we could get him back on the mound.
The only negative I can think of besides the rain and Teddy missing out on his no-no, was the unfortunate choice to purchase Bleacher Box Seats. For anyone who has never sat in this section, I can firmly recommend against it.
It’s a decent location to view the game, but for any fan like me who is used to the regular bleachers, with an occasional game in the lower grandstand, it’s just not the same Wrigley experience. The fans were not into the game, and many times during high points, when the rest of the stadium was on their feet, I was one of only a handful in the entire section standing.
I only got these seats because my parents would never last 9 innings in the bleachers without seat backs, but definitely glad the rest of my tickets this season are back in the good ol’ Bud Light Bleachers. No better place in sports to watch a game.
IBB to Rios
I thought it was the right call. Yes, facing Konerko in that situation isn’t my defintion of a good time, but it not only set up the double play but it also made a force possible at each base.
I’d do it again if the same situation came up.
by jerry morales rules on Jun 14, 2010 3:30 PM CDT reply actions
Marmol
Yes, he wasn’t super-sharp, but he wasn’t that bad either. He walked the first batter (not good), but the balk was caused by him catching a spike when he was landing his plant foot. Had he thrown it, it could have been a WP at best. At worst, he could have grooved a pitch. I don’t blame him for putting it in his pocket at that point.
After that, he was as sharp as he ever usually is.
by jerry morales rules on Jun 14, 2010 3:33 PM CDT reply actions
Anyone find hi-res copy of 3 teams w Cup photo?
Looking for a quality shot of the 3 teams and the Cup. Something wide enough to show the teams and suitable for desktop usage.
Anyone stumble into one anyplace?
Toyota Sign...
Was there a malfunction with the Toyota sign? In the few glances I saw of it on ESPN once it was dark out, it seemed like just the top portion of the sign was illuminated, while the bottom lights weren’t lit. Was that the case? Or did I just not get a good view of it?
Even with that, I actually thought that the sign looked pretty good with the ballpark. Certainly wasn’t worth all the hand-wringing over it.
I did not see lights on the bottom
You’re right. The sign looked very good.Previously I thought it would be on a green background, not just the red metal.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Jun 14, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Al--fact check
in the main story you wrote D Lee was thrown out stealing. That is incorrect. He tried to advance on a ball in the dirt and was gunned down.
My poor brother!
I just found out that he bought $80 tickets for last night’s game awhile back for he and his son. He assumed it was going to be a day game back when he got the tickets. When he found out it was a night game he decided he didn’t really want to go because he’d be too tired for work the next day. He asked around and no one wanted the tickets. Finally he finds a guy to buy them for $50 each and decides that’s better than nothing. He had no idea about the cup going to Wrigley. He was understandably upset to find out he’d be missing that. Add to that the double no hitter and Lilly’s great game and it gets worse. But on top of all that this guy texts him from the game that THOSE seats are the winner of being able to meet Patrick Kane and see the cup! Obviously he was so upset he ended up not sleeping, having a hangover and being late for work anyway. I feel soooo bad for him.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
I didn't realize someone got that chance
How many people did?
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 14, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
No clue.
My mom called me with his story when she heard from my son how bad I took it when Lilly gave up the hit. Sure made my reaction of saying “no no no no” repeatedly for the next half hour seem silly.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
Oh man, that's freaking perfect irony.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
Hmm...your brother sure needs to put a little more effort into buying tickets for a game.
Sure sorry to hear he missed it…but he didn’t put much effort into either decision. He had a hangover and missed work after turning down the tickets so he wouldn’t miss work? hmm…you might need to have a talk with him lol.
"Champions take responsibility. When the ball is coming over the net, you can be sure I want the ball." - Billie Jean King
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
He bought them the day tickets went on sale.
It was TBD. He figured since it was Sunday that it would be a day game. You know what they say about assuming. He’s in a job where it’s OK if he’s a little late so that really wasn’t that big a deal. But spending the night going out to dinner with my folks instead of being at the game was a bad choice.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
Ah I was assuming and you're right in that respect.
Still puzzles me that he got so upset he missed that game after turning it down because he might be late when being late isn’t a big deal. Sounds like he’s a casual fan of the Cubs. With this season I sure can’t fault him for thinking the game might be boring.
I had only heard a rumor the cup would be there and I’ve looked at a number of blogs about the Hawks…I bet regardless that really sucked for him. That would piss me off…I feel for him about that…seeing the Hawks up close and personal. And he’s your brother so he’s gotta be a good guy :)
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 14, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't mean YOU about assuming!
I meant my brother for assuming it was a day game. Gosh, I hope you weren’t insulted.
About the being late…it’s not like he’d be in trouble for being late for work is what I meant. To him it would be a big deal though. He’s quite intense about his job and he’s pretty much in charge there.
I can assure you he’s not a casual fan. As for the Hawks…that might be more casual. Got over my pity when I realized he didn’t ask me if I wanted the tickets.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
Actually, Al,
Two nit-picks with your pregame recap yesterday:
The White Sox swept a three-game series at Wrigley in 1999, and the Cubs swept a three-game series at Wrigley in 2008.
I was at Game 2 of that 2008 series, so I would remember.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, June 12....
State high point count: 2/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 14, 2010 5:16 PM CDT reply actions
Pregame thread*
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, June 12....
State high point count: 2/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 14, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe...
…the Cubs also swept the 3 game series at the Cell in 2007.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Finally...
…Stone is starting to wear on people.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
The Bears
Didn’t the 1963 Bears win the NFL Championship while they were playing in Wrigley?
Yes.
But I don’t recall them having a trophy presentation in those pre-Super Bowl days. Not even sure there WAS a NFL championship trophy before the Super Bowl.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Wikipedia says they did
Starting with the 1934 game the winning team received the Ed Thorp Memorial Trophy. The trophy was named after Ed Thorp, a noted referee, rules expert, and sporting goods dealer. Thorp died in 1934 and a large, traveling trophy was made that year, passed along from champion to champion each season with each championship team’s name inscribed on it. Teams would also receive a replica trophy. The trophy was last awarded to the Minnesota Vikings in 1969. The actual trophy, however, is now missing.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
Hm.
I did not know that.
In any case I do not recall an actual trophy presentation at the game as they do now at the Super Bowl, so I don’t know if that trophy was ever actually in Wrigley Field.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
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