The Vuvuzela: Was It At Baseball Parks Decades Ago?
by Al Yellon on Jun 22, 2010 8:56 AM CDT
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In Keith Olbermann's MLBlog, he writes that he remembers hearing the vuvuzela -- or something that looked and sounded a lot like it -- at Yankee Stadium in the late 1960's and early 1970's.
I remember a similar plastic horn being sold at Wrigley Field in that era. There is a comment in Olbermann's post saying the same thing, and others mentioning that these horns were available at Tiger Stadium and Shea Stadium.
Do any of the rest of you remember horns like this at Wrigley? I do.
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Not in Wrigley, but we drove our parents crazy, must have been around 1970
Besides the Cubs have had a WooWooZela for some time now.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jun 22, 2010 8:58 AM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Dunno about that. WooWoo is just thankfully a one person thing.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
No, I'm with bdlugz.
You can mute the vuvuzelas. You can’t mute HWSNBN.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The new best seller: The Silence of the WooWoo
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
He stood behind our group
in Mesa and howled for about 45 minutes until we moved . The next day same thing . Nothing will silence him ….
Right.
There’s the problem in a nutshell. He’s all about himself — no consideration for anyone else. Despicable.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Know what's even more despicable (I love that word BTW)?
That some people actually enjoy it and encourage him! He was walking around waving his silver Michael Jackson glove at a couple games last week. When I yelled “somebody shut him up!” the people around me looked at me like I was the one that was nuts. There was even a family asking him to pose for pictures with their little boy-he was only around three. I just don’t get it.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
I don't get it either...
…. unless people think, because he walks around in a uniform, that he’s a former player or something.
It’s absolute nonsense and needs to end.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Hear tell
from a reliable source (the arresting officer) he got picked up for alil too much “woo-wooing” in Schaumburg several years back…was a “3am deal”… pulled the “do you know who I AM?” line, n wasn’t well recvd… IMHO, the guys annoying! sighs as he looks at RWW autograph on “cubby-claw”…
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Thanks Mr Yellon
I’d LOOOOVE to give more “details”, but i’m sure u can understand my reasons not to? RWW is NOT a nice man, IMHO.
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
I'm sure I'd have thought that way if I was a season ticket holder.
Unfortunately even when I do go, I usually have sat in the left field grandstand and not the bleachers. Haven’t really heard him at the games.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I've heard him
more than a few times through the tv. Very annoying.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Wasn't he on the TV during spring training at one point?
I seem to remember comments suggesting that.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 22, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
What's more annoying a vuvuzela or the self righteous smarm of Keith Olbermann?
It’s not even close.
"He can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any man I know. " Abraham Lincoln
by cubfever7 on Jun 22, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
as are all media blowhards
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
The people who dislike Joe Morgan would like to have a word with you.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 22, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Best part of him on MSNBC
is that I don’t have to listen to his pompous ass on ESPN.
Just win the next game...!
We're treading dangerously close to political talk here.
Let’s stop. If you don’t like Olbermann’s sportscasting, that’s fair game here. His other stuff — not so much.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I didn't say that.
All I’m saying is that discussion of Olbermann’s political commentary is off limits here.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Or FOX news. Both are just as biased.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Like I said.
Let’s keep our political beliefs out of here. Thank you.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I know that but him NOT being
on ESPN makes ESPN just a little more tolerable. After I found out what ESPN did during the Cubs/Sox telecast a week ago Sunday, I was infuriated.
I came home from that game and couldn’t wait to cue up the DVR only to find there was virtually nothing covered about my Blackhawks there with the Stanley Cup. As for live coverage: No Cornelison Anthem, no Johnny McD 1st pitch, no 3-team picture, no 7th inning stretch. Only the wretched clowns calling the game. Oh puke !!!
Just win the next game...!
I hated him being on the NBC NFL Pregame
He’s just awful
The world's biggest BCS hater and damn proud of it!
He just doesn't fit in that "arena"
any more. His other life has tarnished what little chance he had to succeed in sports broadcasting.
Just win the next game...!
Thankfully,
In all the griping I have done here regarding my satellite TV package, I do not get MSNBC.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 22, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
You should be grateful for that, although
I could imagine it being quite amusing watching that trainwreck of a news channel while intoxicated. .
I'd rather watch the
“no signal” box move around an otherwise blank screen with the cable box off than tune into that channel. My only exception – and it nearly made me puke – was having to put it on to see the Vancouver Winter Olympics.
Just win the next game...!
He's terrible
The world's biggest BCS hater and damn proud of it!
LMAO.
Instant winner.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 22, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
What do you call a vuvuzela with B.O.?
He Who Shall Not Be Named.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Wow, that's harsh.
Even I wouldn’t say that.
I will say that the vuvuzela isn’t nearly as obnoxious.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I agree, it is very unfair to Vuvuzelas to be compared to WooWooZela
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
At least you don't hear him during the broadcasts...
And if you did, he wouldn’t sound like a beehive in a blender.
by Steven Schweickert on Jun 22, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Unfortunately he was loud and clear
over the airwaves the last homestand.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Yep, and when you hear him that means he's right by me.
We sit very near the broadcast booth.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
Oh, but I do. He can often be distinctly heard via MLB.TV
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
I'll be sure to... Make an effort, I guess?
Even though I REALLY was hoping to avoid that.
by Steven Schweickert on Jun 22, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I read some station in France figured out how to filter the vuvuzela noise out of the broadcast
maybe they can do the same for woo noise?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
They've been testing this on German TV too
The theory is simple but the filtering causes everything else to sound really weird.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
Simple
It’s about notching out the frequencies where the sound lives. Those are also the frequencies where a lot of the other ambient sound is found.
Not only that, but these are frequencies which contain a large amount of the sound information in the spoken word.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
filters out vuvuzelas AND commentators?
Man, that’s a win-win scenario for the ages!!!
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I can do that without any filters or hi-tech solutions.
It’s called the mute button.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Sometimes called the Morgan button.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd.
Though I almost flagged it by accident.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 22, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
GOOD!
great reason to subscribe!
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
We do hear him during
the broadcasts. He’s very annoying.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
now thats funny..
Favre-enfreude
The thrill of seeing an epic Brett Favre fail. Derived from schadenfreude - satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune.
Seriously
Harsh Al? C’mon the guy is a menance. And EE is on point – the guys jersey probably has not been washed for years. And those Poly unis do not exactly breathe well. His personal hygene is as disgusting as his antics with the ladies.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
I guess I've never been close enough to note his personal hygiene.
Thanks for the warning.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I personally don't know about this guy
Who is he?
The world's biggest BCS hater and damn proud of it!
You're lucky.
Trust me. You do not want to know.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
If you don't know, don't ask.
You’re better off not knowing.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 22, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
hear-hear!!!
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Shocked it wasn't an 80s thing
Most annoying instrument to go along with the most mundane/annoying decade. FLOCK OF SEAGULLS
"I don't know what the big deal about Crackerjack is"
by theGraceyslumpbuster on Jun 22, 2010 8:59 AM CDT reply actions
I remember hearing them at Expos games
And as the Expos got less competitive, the more you could hear them over the crowd.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Haha
For some odd reason the only thing I remember about the Expos is Vlad hitting that bomb off of Schilling that pretty much bounced to the plate.
"I don't know what the big deal about Crackerjack is"
by theGraceyslumpbuster on Jun 22, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
That decade gave us great bands like
Anthrax
Metallica
Slayer
Megadeth
Testament
Exodus
It also featured some of the greatest metal albums of all time, so it wasn’t all bad unless you absolutely hate metal.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
George Harrison's comeback was my 80s musical highlight
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Cloud Nine
Had some good songs – his cover of “Got My Mind Set on You” and “When We Was Fab” (great video). I take it you were being faceitous, though. I’m a big Harrison fan.
"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry
I was totally serious
I’m a big time Beatles fan, and have always said George’s songwriting became as good as John’s and Paul’s by the time of the White Album. So it did my heart good seeing him regain the acclaim he deserved with Cloud Nine and the Wilburys.
Though I must say I think “Brainwashed” is his best solo album.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Good to hear
My favorite George album, besides of course All Things Must Pass (one of the all-time best by anyone), is his self-titled effort from 1979, with great songs like “Blow Away,” “Faster,” “Love Comes to Everyone” and “Your Love is Forever.” I had it almost from the time it came out and it’s very nostalgic to hear now. Great video to “Blow Away” is available on YouTube.
"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry
Agreed mah boy.
Lennon and McCartney were songwriting way before George was. I don’t think George began songwriting until The Beatles were already in the Cavern Club, or maybe when they began working in the studio. Lennon says his favorite Harrison song was “Within you Without you” which is one of the best on Sgt. Pepper, but I think George’s best song is “While My Guitar Gently Weeps.”
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Sinatra once said
“Something” was the best song ever…or something to that effect.
"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman
by BucknerKongCardenal on Jun 22, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I really liked..
We Are the World..
Favre-enfreude
The thrill of seeing an epic Brett Favre fail. Derived from schadenfreude - satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune.
I saw "We Are The World" being made. Very cool.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
The Traveling Wilburys were solid too.
I liked the “new” Genesis that emerged in the 1980s, led by Phil Collins.
I also enjoyed the solo efforts of Steve Winwood and Eric Clapton throughout the decade.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
GEORGE HARRISON IS FREAKING AMAZING.
John Lennon always kind of looked down on George. Lennon used to refer to George as “that kid.” George said the first time him and Lennon really connected was when they took LSD.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
I've been listening to "Concert for George"
a lot lately. Clapton singing “Beware of Darkness”, the late great Billy Preston singing on “Isn’t it a Pity”, Jeff Lynne singing “Handle with Care” from the Traveling Wilbury days, Petty singing “I need you”. IMHO the best tribute concert ever. It’s also a reminder what an unbelievable songwriter Harrison was.
Question.
What makes a Vuvu different from any other long plastic horn? My cousin had a long red plastic horn but it was nowhere near 130 db.
by Steven Schweickert on Jun 22, 2010 9:08 AM CDT reply actions
Then you aren't doing it right.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
"Reginald Kenneth Dwight: The Early Years"
oh, wait – this isn’t a photo caption contest? my bad…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Yes, absolutely.
Growing up in Detroit in the 70s, I saw them at Tiger Stadium a lot. They might have sold them there. They were invariably orange. I’m sure we had one around the house.
I remember the horns being sold at Wrigley—late 60’s era. One of the kids I went to Y camp with bought one at a game, but he couldn’t get it to make any noise. He thought you could just blow in it and sound would come out.
10-20 of those is just a minor annoyance at a game. Background noise.
I seem to remember a similar horn available
at Soldier Field in the 60s at the “Mayor Daley Chicago High School Championship” football game.
I may have had one, and that’s the first thing i thought of when I saw this Vuvuzela. However, this sounded nothing like what we are hearing. I guess that’s what happend when everybody has one of the damn horns, not a bunch of 12-year-old kids.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 22, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
OT-hey bison-
I tried the bison burgers and dogs at Wrigley. Hope it wasn’t anyone you know. They were delicious.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
Making a noisy nuisance.
I remember having one of these in blue plastic in the late 60s or early 70s. As I recall, my brother and I talked our parents into buying one at the Ringling Bros. Barnum & Bailey Circus, probably at the International Amphitheater. It was a decision they regretted.
Comisky..circa 61
I remember my dad taking me and a friend to see a Sox game in 61 or 62. He bought us both one of these blue horns about 2 blocks from the park. They were confiscated at the gate! And that act of fascism turned me into a lifelong Cub fan. Oh, if they’d only let us in with our horns…life might have been sooo different.
Yeah, I've often wondered how my life would have turned out if my father who is only mildly
a Cubs fan hadn’t turned on the transistor radio out working with me. It sure is strange to me that those noisemakers that were around then are now things people actually want. Being a fan sure has changed.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I know I've had one before, but it wasn't at baseball.
Probably just novelties at a KMart equivalent.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 9:47 AM CDT reply actions
Unrelated - death of a 92-year old Cubs fan
I know this isn’t related to the post, but I just had to say that my wife’s 92-year old uncle died today. He was born in 1918 and grew up in Western Illinois, following the Cubs pretty much his whole life. Although they played in several World Series in his lifetime (not sure he attended any games), he never got to see them win a World Series, which is a shame. He was still lucid even this spring, when I asked him what he thought of this year’s Cub team. He didn’t think they had much going for them, he told me. He was blind, so listening to the Cubs on the radio was one of the things that kept him going.
"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry
Very sorry for your loss.
Sounds like an amazing man. When my grandfather died, he had volunteered to get in WWI in the calvary and had WGN on invariably so he could watch the Cubs everyday. I think there are a lot of fans out there that wouldn’t be Cub fans if they weren’t able to see every game on WGN so much. Vince Lloyd and Lou Boudreau sure also did that for me. I loved hearing them together…made some bad teams fun to listen to and renew that hope every spring only to have it dashed. I remember well hearing Vince say quite a few summers…with this victory we might have something…we don’t need a winning streak as much as winning 2 out of 3 repeated a long time. Sigh.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Condolences on the passing of your wife's uncle.
So many generations have gone without ever seeing the Cubs win the World Series.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Thanks.
Just to clarify – he wasn’t blind his whole life – only in the last few years due to macular degeneration. He was a WW2 vet of D-Day.
"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry
The. Greatest. Generation.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
Longtime fans
Also, my father-in-law is 75, grew up in Chicago, still lives here, and saw the Cubs play in the 1945 World Series, but obviously never saw them win one,
My grandfather, who was born in Europe in 1912 but moved to Rockford in around 1920, followed the Cubs his entire life until he died at age 86 in 1999, never having seen the Cubs win a Series. He took me to many Cub games when I was a kid.
My sister-in-law’s father, who’s almost 80 and attended the 1945 World Series at Wrigley (the Cubs won the game he was at), is also getting up there. I don’t think he expects to see them win in his lifetime.
Meanwhile, I’m 39 and I’ve seen 9 Chicago championship teams in my lifetime (6 Bulls, one Bears, one Sox and one Hawks). Let’s hope I see the Cubs win a championship in my lifetime. I still (hopefully) have plenty of time to wait.
"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry
^ This ^
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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State high point count: 2/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 22, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Macular degeneration is the biggest eyesight problem of seniors I believe.
Definitely one that is commonly overlooked. That’s a good reminder to have your older loved ones make a visit to their opthamologist.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry to hear of your family's loss
Your wife’s uncle has the Best Seat In The House now.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Sorry to hear about your loss.
I lost my grandfather in May 2009. He was also a lifelong Cubs fan.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....
State high point count: 2/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 22, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I have a friend who's brother is South African
and just came over for a visit. He brought 5 vuvuzelas with them and we were playing them all together on Sunday. It is truly deafening. They are kind of fun to play
for 15 seconds or so.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
Please, Al! Don't give them any ideas!
Next thing you know the Cubs marketing department will bring them back… NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)
If they would drown out HWSNBN, I'd be all for 'em.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And they will call it: Blow Cubbie Blues
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jun 22, 2010 10:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't remember and hopefully I will never have to deal with that
To me that would be far worse than HWSNBN. Think of it. HWSNBN is only around you for an inning or so. It’s NOT the whole game. And really now, do we want that kind of crap in Wrigley? It would only be a human audio-version of the bombardment I’ve had at that ADHD-riddled Chase Field.
Just win the next game...!
To me that would be far worse than HWSNBN. Think of it. HWSNBN is only around you for an inning or so. It’s NOT the whole game.
That’s the problem with HWSNBN. He won’t leave when asked politely. He won’t stop when asked politely.
I’m guessing you could ask people to put the vuvuzelas away and they would.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That's a huge assumption. You know it wouldn't work at the World Cup.
Guess you can hope it would work at baseball.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe.
I’m not saying I want them to come back, mind you.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I get your pain...sure have heard it from many others with unnamed.
Guess I’m very lucky I haven’t “experienced” him. If I get a chance to get to the bleachers this year, sounds like RF is the better choice.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually, he's rarely in the bleachers any more...
… because he has to have a ticket, and no one gives him free bleacher tickets. I have seen him in the other side of the park, probably getting in with a standing room ticket.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
He's gotta be getting too old soon
I saw him in ‘81 right after they restarted play after the strike…actually made Buckner step out of the box with the Buckner woo’s..of course only about 3k in attendance,,
Favre-enfreude
The thrill of seeing an epic Brett Favre fail. Derived from schadenfreude - satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune.
He's 67.
There was an article in the Reader about him several years ago, which revealed his birthday: Halloween.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Buckner Woo!
Yeah – it was easier to make yourself heard back then with only 3k around. I’ve been going to Wrigley since 1975. I feel like I first saw (heard) him there in the early 80s.
I was once having dinner at a restaurant near Wrigley, after a game, and sat near the window. He came up on the sidewalk and started yelling his “Cubs Woo!” over and over again at me and all the other patrons in the restaurant. He was quite audible through the window.
I think he’s mentally unbalanced.
"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry
I agree with your last statement.
He’s been coming to Wrigley since at least the mid 1960’s. I remember hearing him on TV often during those days, with crowds of that size much more frequent in those days.
It’s time for him to stop. The act is old, tired, self-promoting, annoying, and he’s a chronic liar in addition to everything else.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Jun 22, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hadn't Heard the Chronic Liar Part?
I’ve heard “old, tired, self-promoting, and annoying” to describe said individual. How has he been a chronic liar?
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
I didn't know that guy talked enough to be a liar
I have only heard him say “woo”. not that I ever attemped a conversation.
by holy mackeral on Jun 22, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Has lied about his marital status in order to grope women.
Lies about having tickets for certain areas and then has none. There’s more, but you get the idea.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I thought this was how guys were supposed get women
"The doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
Dizzy Dean
O.O
wow. hope that was a joke.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually it was a joke
I prefer to drink to much and beg them to love me
"The doctors X-rayed my head and found nothing."
Dizzy Dean
Still not funny.
Take this kind of “humor” somewhere else.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Whether true or not...
… it’s not appropriate here. Take it somewhere else.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I've always wondered how he can afford
all the games, including trips to spring training and he is at a lot of road games. I don’t think he is independently wealthy considering a bunch of fools donated money to this guy so he could get some needed dental work.
Reason
Some of the idiot morning DJ’s pay his way to Arizona and road trips. In the past, I heard Mark Grace paid his way.
In Arizona, I heard that he, at times, would go to restaurants and bars and steal tips off tables before the servers would get them.
Not a nice person.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
But there's only one HWSNBN
There’s a thousand of those horns and it seems like a[nother] riot would break out if those things couldn’t be sounded constantly.
Just win the next game...!
Here you go.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 22, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I just realized I have a typo in that link.
Should read “HWSNBN in a nutshell”.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 22, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow.
That is scary. I would have flipped, and they would have taken me out of there in cuffs. I would rather be yelled at by a drill instructor all day, then have to listen to that.
by ASpecialGuestAppearance on Jun 23, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
If these things start showing up at Wrigley
I stop showing up. The United Center was louder than an airplane, I think 118 DB, without any help during the finals. You shouldn’t require noisemakers to be loud. Hands and lungs should be enough
by 300LevelBleacherBum on Jun 22, 2010 10:45 AM CDT reply actions
Yeah, I know unnamed is a huge problem,
But I think this would be a perfect example of the cure being as bad as the disease.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
118dB
Yup, the UC was loud (Chicago Stadium was even louder in the 80’s/90’s) and no score-board enticing needed.
But I agree with you on the issue. Those show up, either we get rid of those or I don’t show up. I don’t need that kind of noise in my ear.
Just win the next game...!
I remember taking these home from a Pittsburgh Pirates game in the 90's
It was about the same time they had the Green Weenies, another annoying baseball noise maker that should never have existed.
What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
You don't remember these?
The were little green plastic hot dog looking things w/ a paper back filled with some sort of beans… most annoying thing ever, especially when the dog got a hold of one. Very popular during the early 90’s when the Pirates were winning…
Some more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Weenie
What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
Don't forget Mrs. Omar Moreno and her whistle during the '79 World Series
That was damn annoying… and I’m a Pirates fan.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Didn't Marge Schott have something weird she did at Reds games?
What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 22, 2010 10:57 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Finally!
A way to make the vuvu useful! Bartenders rejoice as a way to get people in for the World Cup.
by Steven Schweickert on Jun 22, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely rec'd!
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Perrrrrfect
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
Ding ding!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 22, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
We bought 8 of these things for Grandma's Marathon this past weekend.
They were awesome.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Great, combining two completely useless things at the same time...running nowhere, and making noise.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 22, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Did you delete the thread because there was too much HP?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
yes
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 22, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
ah then our evil plan worked!
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
You can't stop Lord Valdemort
I thought the discussion was getting boring but still made me laugh to defy you hehheheheehe
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
The teenager has gotten to you already?
Old grump.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Go run around your block 300 times and blow your stupid horn.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 22, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Time to blow the Vuvuzela in honor of Jake Fox. Traded for Russ Wolf
of Baltimore. Is this the first trade in MLB history with 2 guys named after animals? I realize this is off topic, so somebody please toot Fox’s vuvezela.
Jake Fox to the Orioles?
Andy MacPhail strikes again.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Isn't his last name McFail by now?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 22, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
He must have been heart-broken
When Murton went to Japan.
"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman
by BucknerKongCardenal on Jun 22, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
McFail collecting ex-cubs like beer cans
Favre-enfreude
The thrill of seeing an epic Brett Favre fail. Derived from schadenfreude - satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune.
And they've already contributed to the firing of their manager
"He can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any man I know. " Abraham Lincoln
my thought on Jake Fox
I predict Fox will be DFA’d/waived again by Balt soon, and then sent to the minors. He is worthy of a September callup as a 3rd catcher, but that is really about it. Last week against a lefty, Cubs started all the RH hitters, and had no RH hitters on the bench. They used Zambrano to pinch hit. If it was September, Fox would have been a better choice.
by holy mackeral on Jun 22, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Wolf might be interesting to read about if I didn't know he was had for Fox.
Can’t believe we’d get anything but a retread/scrap heap guy for him.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Pie, C Patterson, Fox, Ohman, Izturis, Scott Moore
and of course 2000 #2 draft pick Luis Montanez would make the 7th ex Cub on Balt roster (except Luis never made it to the Cubs)
Moe Drabowsky and Steve Stone
Those were two ex-Cubs that went to the Orioles that helped them win AL pennants back in the ancient times of 1966 and 1970 for Drabowsky and 1979 for Steve Stone. The ex-Cubs that the Orioles get now are just plain trash.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
No Sosa mention?
He’s gotta be our most famous player they got. I suppose this must be limited to trades.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, that was a trade.
The Cubs still have a player left from that deal: Mike Fontenot.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Jury's still out on him.
Let’s hope he does better if ever given the chance to platoon or play everyday than he did the last year he was an everyday player.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
memphiscub was referring to ex-cubs that led Baltimore to a pennant
or at least had success with them. I cant think of any ex-cubs having success in Baltimore, except Drabowksy and Stone.
by holy mackeral on Jun 22, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Until
the steroids wore off.
"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry
And
The Viagra :)
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
1996 and 1997 Orioles
Palmeiro was with the 1996 and 1997 Orioles that were in the ALCS. The Orioles have been bad ever since.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Stoddard Was With Orioles First, Though
Stoddard was with the 1983 Orioles before he was with the 1984 Cubs.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
My reply wasn't to memphiscub and his fine contribution though :-)
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed
just when you start to “believe” in fonty…BLAMMO!
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Ohman is pitching well, and Pie will always have potential
the others are a notch or two below Jeff Baker/Chad Tracy. I wonder if they are interested in Micah Hoffpaur
I'll never understand the logic behinf letting Pie go..
Favre-enfreude
The thrill of seeing an epic Brett Favre fail. Derived from schadenfreude - satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune.
I on the other hand have never understood the infatuation with Pie
He’s a superior centerfielder—but that’s about it. No discipline at the plate or on the base paths. But he’s been hurt and is only 25—so we’ll see. He has gotten better on breaking pitches but a ways to go.
"He can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any man I know. " Abraham Lincoln
yes..
Hard to tell if its poor minor league instruction, or if the guy just doesn’t have real good baseball instincts..that breaking pitch is the great equalizer..
Favre-enfreude
The thrill of seeing an epic Brett Favre fail. Derived from schadenfreude - satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune.
VuVus and HWSNBN
We brought home Vuvus in mid-late 70s from a Sting game. Those horns are seriously the only Sting memory I have.
Also, I have a picture at home of myself with HWSNBN outside the bleachers, I think before the non-game on 8/8/88. At the time, I felt like he was an institution, but not considered an annoyance.
I can’t help but wonder if his eventual end of tenure at the park will be at all like when Harry left us. Honestly, I could NOT stand to listen to his play by play at the end. He would have been fine as a color guy, but I would usually mute the TV and turn on the radio for innings 1-3 and 7-9, just so that the sound I heard would have some relevance to the plays on the field. Once he was gone, all that bad broadcasting was forgotten, and I would have been more than happy to have him back!
The ONLY Sting memory you have?
Surely you still remember Karl-Heinz Granitza—Arno Steffenhagen—Pato Margertic and the beating they administered to the New York Cosmos at Wrigley in the “greatest game in the history of No rtah American Soccer” :c-)
"He can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any man I know. " Abraham Lincoln
Karl-Heinz Granitza
That name’s familiar … but none of the rest is …
Wait a second … were they playing at Wrigley at the time?
Yes, I was a kid then and they were the first winning team Chicago had at that time
everybody else sucked. I think soccer is boring but they were a winner!! I remember those guys plus their coach, Willy Roy, and a couple guys like Charlie Faikus and Franz Mathieu.
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
It was very cool seeing the headline on the Trib from it.
I had the NASL poster on my wall though I wasn’t a soccer fan nor saw any of their games. That was a fun league at the time though…made me interested in them.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Mine is a 10-9 win over the Tampa Bay Rowdies
in Chicago Stadium in like 1983.
Just win the next game...!
That was the INDOOR Sting.
Different game. I went to a few of those games. Fun, kind of like hockey with a large white ball on turf.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I remember that championship game.
I was the only one in my family who stayed up to watch it and cheered when it ended, waking everyone up. They came out of their rooms and wondered what the heck was going on. I said Chicago had a champion!! They answered, “Soccer? Are you kidding? Go to bed.”
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Jun 22, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Miss Indoor Soccer
The MISL (Major Indoor Soccer League) was fun. The NASL also had indoor soccer. The Kansas City Comets had the most financially successful team in the MISL. I saw some Memphis Americans games. That was an ironic name because very few of the players came from the United States. They had some players from South America, so I suppose you could have called them Americans. I haven’t seen an indoor soccer game since 1990, when the Memphis Rogues folded in the American Indoor Soccer Association (AISA).
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
It was still the Sting though and...
a far superior game to the outdoor game here in America. Yup, it had a little hockey feel though no intentional hard hitting but it was really a quick pace. That sells, if done right.
Scoring is where it’s at in America. It’s why each and every major league sport have gone the way of increased offence the past few decades via rule changes & other attributes.
MISL/NASL simply didn’t market this well enough. I really thought they were on to something there.
Arena football had horrible management for a few years and cost successful teams like the Rush the 2009 season. They’re back now, they have to re-capture the momentum they were building. Down 35-14 in 2Q this past Saturday, they rallied to win 63-56. That’s offence! In a football game nonetheless.
Just win the next game...!
I find it ironic
that Olbermann would write about something that is really, really, really annoying and painful to listen to.
by Grockcubs on Jun 22, 2010 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Yes, I remember them well. I had a Cubbie blue one as a kid in the 70s
I think I got it as a booby prize at a carnival.
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
I had one too
I’m pretty sure I got it at a football, not baseball game
But, it was significantly different in sound. It had a larger “throat” and made a deeper horn sound, unlike the higher pitched buzzing sound that these soccer fans make.
Yap I think most of those during that time did. They weren't nearly as loud or annoying.
Isn’t progress wonderful? lol
And get off my lawn you darn kids!
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Some great vuvuzela humor in the comments section of Olbermann's piece
Now I know it pains some of you to read anything by Keith Olbermann and you’ll never click on that link, so here it is:
I love the word vuvuzela. It sounds made up and real:
“Bar none, the best Dominican middle infield prospect of the 70’s was Chico Vuvuzela.”
“Barstow? Hell, you’re really lost aren’t you? You’re in Vuvuzela.”
“I can’t lift heavy things and I gotta wear this truss for 3 months. Doc said I tore my vuvuzela and insurance won’t cover surgery.”
“Vuvuzela!” “Bless you.”
“Scalpel….forceps….suction….vuvuzela…”
“I had a Chevy Vuvuzela back in the 80’s with bucket seats, a hatchback and a bitchin’ Pioneer cassette deck. Burned oil like you wouldn’t believe but it was a real classy ride.”
“I had a bad case of vuvuzela when I was in the Army. The Dr. gave me a shot and it got better in a few weeks. I had to go talk with the Chaplain about how I got it, and that sucked.”
“Is that a vuvuzela in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?”
By bob.gilliland@earthlink.net on June 18, 2010 3:41 AM
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 22, 2010 3:55 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Does this mean LOTR discussions are ok in your Fanposts? :)
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
yes
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 22, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Cool. And Star Wars trivia?
Just checkin the rules, man lol
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
As much as I liked the movies, you know you're an official nerd if you
Like visiting Wookiepedia. And yes, that’s a real website.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
You are now leaving the emergency airlock. Thank you for observing all safety precautions.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
See? That scene, dialogue and especially the gif would have been so much better...
…with Sean Connery in there instead of that Bernard Hill guy
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
HAHA!!!
well thought out!
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Weren't they called "Stadium Horns"?
Did someone already say that. If so, sorry. Been out all day.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
Here's a nice piece of classical music I discovered.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 22, 2010 5:17 PM CDT reply actions
I'm stealing this.
they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)
I already stole it off Stampede Blue.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 22, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
That's bad.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 22, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
No, this is bad
(might be considered NSFW)
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
Nah, it is NSFW
But that scene you can turn away from. You can’t get away from that horrible noise no matter what you do.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I love the Italian at the beginning.
“Insistently like wasps.” LOL. And they know what pitch the darn thing blows in, too!
by owllover711 on Jun 23, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions
And here's the instruction manual handed out on how to use the vuvuzela.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 22, 2010 5:33 PM CDT reply actions
I'm surprised it took this long in the thread for someone to break that one out.
The Marlins are so classy to pick that for a marketing campaign. Sure matched them.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd seen that one before,
So I knew what I was looking for.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 22, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey S.E.T.
Nice to see a lil levity on BCB. Gotta go, game is “past my bedtime” n my computers waiting to restart to load some AVG program…it’ll doubtless slow my speeds to a crawl n havta be uninstalled later! Nite. Enjoy the Game! PS- I hope MelTdown BraTley “catches a pitch off his hip”! Oops, if i recall correctly, hes a switch hitter? THEN, off BOTH hips!!! :]
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Nice seein ya Jeff
We’ll cheer for ya!
Bradley does bat from both sides, but at .215 last I checked, I wouldn’t call it “hitting”. It’ll be interesting to see if he decides he needs rest by the Thursday Silva game.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 22, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
At my local AAA team they have something similar.
But the fans who blow them only make short bwats on them, not long constant droning like the vuvuzelas. Also they’re in a different pitch than the vuvus; A flat instead of B flat.
Not to mention I think they’re only 5 or 6 of them at once, instead of a whole stadium full. Thank God.
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