Lou on Zambrano's Meltdown
by Emelie on Jun 25, 2010 6:06 PM CDT
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Print"He was ranting and raving and out of control," Piniella said after the game. "[I] had a conversation with our general manager [Jim Hendry]. We'll see what we do. We just couldn't tolerate that.
"It was embarrassing. There's no excuse for this, none at all."
Piniella said he'll support whatever decision is made by Hendry.
"It's a serious matter," Piniella said. "I know one thing, he's going to have to apologize to his teammates. That is for darn sure. And that's the least.
"There's no need for this, none at all. We have our share of problems. We don't need those. I'm embarrassed. Carlos should be embarrassed. "
A defining moment for Ricketts this one is.
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Need I say, DFA!
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Great Idea.
It will only cost the team 90 million.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jun 25, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
not my money
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Let's keep paying him money and lose!!!!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
not 90m
but about 45m that remains from his contract
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Bleed Castro Blue
I didn't get to see the game
How bad were the plays on the ground balls in the first inning?
Z has no excuse, I just wondered whether Lee, Ramirez, and whoever else looked like they were capable of making the play. I briefly heard Pat and Ron in the later innings talking about how DLee doesn’t look healthy.
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
On the TV postgame...
… Hollandsworth said with the type of hitter PIerre is and the way he bunts, both corner infielders have to play in. There was no way to get to Pierre’s ball. They also said that even if Fontenot had dived, he wasn’t getting to it either. And as Lou said, no one else getting to the ball hit in the seats.
Zambrano showed up his teammates for the last time. As I said in the game thread, it’s a defining moment for Ricketts. Tell Hendry to make his best deal, tell Zambrano he’s not wanted and he needs to waive his NTC, eat whatever portion you have to, and get rid of this jerk. It’s finally time.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 25, 2010 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
I promise that's not what he was mad about...
I used to do this same thing when I was on the golf team back in the day… you KNOW how good you are, you play well in practice, you know you’re better than the guys you’re facing… then they make you look like a clown, and you take it personally and get upset. Not at anyone in particular, more as yourself. That aggression then pours out to the people around you, and you end up in a bad place. Carlos just needs to take some time off… a couple months, not in the bullpen, not in Iowa… he needs to go home and find himself and his inspiration for pitching again. Maybe he can, maybe he can’t… but either way he is a very unhappy human right now and needs to work that stuff out.
What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
Dead wrong
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's why Lee was so mad at Z
because Z was mad at himself. Cmon dude, use a little common sense
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jun 25, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
only problem is
the options to Z not waiving his NTC are him sitting at home eating cheetos in his underwear while getting paid, or getting released, signing with another team for anything and getting paid double…
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Lee made an effort after the ball.
Ramirez’s ball was alittle suspect but nothing insane.
Zambrano needs to go somewhere with his bullshit, basically. To another team actually.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
Well, at the very least, he's suspended
WGN radio just announced he’s been suspended indefinitely.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
When will he start accusing the fans of being racist?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
If there is a racial divide among players in the clubhouse, as was suggested last week
this may inflame tensions in the clubhouse.
I hope not.
Good, then ramirez can be suspended as well
I am tired of Z’s act, fricking baby
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Well, it didn't appear to me that a SINGLE player jumped into help Carlos during that explosion
Soriano rolled his eyes, Soto and ARAM just stood there and watched him walk by. If anything, it looked like the club all agreed, Zambrano needed to STFU
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jun 25, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
And WGN just said, they can't replace him while the suspension is on going.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
according to WGN radio he's "suspended indefinitely"
they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)
Thank god.
Does that free up a roster spot?
What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
Maybe they can DL him w/ an "undisclosed mental illness"
What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
according to WGN, it doesn't open a roster spot
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
What? How is suspension going to the bullpen?
try again.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 3:02 AM CDT up reply actions
unfortunately he’s the least of this teams problems
by Comfortably Numb on Jun 25, 2010 6:11 PM CDT reply actions
Actually he is.
He sucks. He and Wells have been our worst starters this year.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
yea, Z's era is up in the 5's
but not like that matters, give up 2 runs and you are likely taking the L
Yes, it is
Maybe not in April, but in June it has been. Don’t make me look up how many of these games have been decided in the 1st inning, sometimes first half of the inning.
this team has alot of problems…mainly its 3 and 4 hitter!
by Comfortably Numb on Jun 25, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
But to say that pitching has not been a problem is lying. It is not the only problem to be sure.
starting pitching hasnt
on 3 of the 5 days…THE main problem is the anemic offense
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This team's problems consist of all 25 spots on the roster.
Every last one of them. I would rather play the second half of this season with our entire Triple-A roster and coaching staff at the Major League level.
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004
and I bet you will find
that most of those starts involve Z and Wells…the other 3 have been highly effective…hopefully if you can prune one weed it will get the flowers to bloom – you never know
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Dempster usually only gives up 5 hits…unfortunately 4 of them are HRS
by Comfortably Numb on Jun 25, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
no dempster has done well
2-1 3.08 era with 4 hr’s for the month – he is doing well…
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Usually one 1 of the hits he gives up is a home run....
unfortunately, with the Cubs’ offense, that one home run usually ends up costing them the game. The 2-0 game in Seattle was just the latest episode of this.
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004
If you can prune one weed
then you dry it, roll it, and smoke it. Cuz that’s the only way this season will be anything resembling tolerable.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
If Wells is considered one of this teams problems for giving up multiple runs in the 1st inning
Then I’d say Z qualifies too
Z had a MAJOR meltdown after giving up 4 runs in the 1st
tried to place the blame on Lee, then got into it with the Channel 5 camera people out in the parking lot. Lost it so badly in the dugout Lou told him to go home.
they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)
Now I'm glad I missed the game
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 25, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
another bottom feeder of a game... we're in quicksand-land
they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)
Well I for one give him credit
For the first time in awhile the Cubs must have been atleast entertaining to watch.
Watch away
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
We can all tell what Lee Said...
what about Brenly???
“This has been a deadass team…..”
wow. that’s pretty straightforward. I’m not offended by the language in the least, but somebody might be. Interesting choice of words….
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by Gibbon Jockey on Jun 25, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I dunno Emelie...
I think Derrek was just the first guy to tell him to shut up… it looked like Carlos was just looking for a fight, and Derrek being the leader he is seemed to be trying to tell him “this is bullshit… BULLSHIT!” and that just upset Carlos more… I watched it a few times on my DVR and you can def make out Derrek saying “this is bullshit.”
What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
that makes sense
I saw the Lee Bullshit sequence… Z was definitely looking for a fight, any fight. First the gatorade cooler, then Lee…
they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)
I just can't believe he blew up at Derrek like that...
I promise there isn’t a nicer guy on the team (maybe Byrd) but Derrek and Carlos are the two that have been together the longest (Rami too, maybe) and that just leads me to believe Carlos has some serious demons he needs to work out asap… it reminds me of how one of my friends would blow up at me when he was really depressed… it didn’t matter who he blew up at, just needed someone to blow up on.
What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
If you were a psychiatrist I bet your ritalin
prescriptions would be immense and immediate… why try and find the problem and fix it, right?
What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
I dont know the guy outside of what I see from him on TV
and in a baseball uniform so I am not going to call him depressed, bipolar, mentally handicapped or anything else.
He clearly has issues
And they need to be addressed… whether it’s his pride of someone else’s unwillingness to diagnose it, he needs to talk to somebody. Look at Zach Grienke, he had a similar issue, got help, and turned out to be a pretty good pitcher for a while.
What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
Z is usually the happiest damn guy
in the world when he isnt getting his ass kicked on the field. I think what can be taken from this is that he can’t take losing and can throw a tantrum like a 5 year old.
Yeah and we've added to that by coddling his behavior with previous tantrums.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 3:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Zach Greinke did not have "a similar issue"
Greinke’s issues weren’t even CLOSE to Zambrano’s.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jun 26, 2010 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah.
Lee had told him to ‘shut the fuck up’ many times before they got into it.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
I didn't see that
I just caught the bullshit… with my novice lip reading skills
What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
I wish I could have read Z's lips there
Hopefully he said something like, “Why don’t you hit a bit more?”
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Lee was fed up with the BS
and stepped in. Showing up your teammates in clear view of the fans… I dont care how bad this team has played, there is no place for this. +100000000 fan point from me for D Lee.
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Jun 25, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Same old same old
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Positive from today
Gorzelanny. Probably back in the rotation now one way or another.
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
negative: Wells is still in the rotation.
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
by lexmarklover on Jun 25, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
YOU MIGHT ALREADY BE A WINNAR!
What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
Just freaking let Gorzo take it.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Gorz takes Zambrano's spot.
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
by lexmarklover on Jun 25, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
my bad.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
This...
Z and Wells out of the rotation, Gorz and JJ in.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 25, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
They really have to do that.
At least, Wells didn’t turn his season around by Z exploding. Someone needs to be put there…Jackson, Marshall, someone. And I think our pen is bad enough losing Marshall would be a mistake.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 3:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I like how in 07 he punches Barrett and Barrett goes
Yet now Z gets suspended for just yelling when he sucks.
The lesson is don’t suck when you spaz out.
Not anymore, not this time
If they let him stay, I imagine they’ll start seeing some empty seats.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Winning cures all
The seats would fill if they were winning.
Your argument could never be proven because odds are they keep Z and their record is awful. The seats will be empty cuz of their record and not because they kept Z.
If this happened and the Cubs’ record was reversed it would be just another Cubbie occurrence
He got the benefit of the doubt in 07
3 years later he wore that benefit out
Sounds like a euphemism
"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella
He's had an episode at least once a year
Why is it any different now?
Because no other "Ace" has a once a year episode
People wanted to get rid of [name redacted] because he was a cancer. Z is no different other than he pops up less frequently.
Back then he was awesome and Barrett was horrible, therefore Barrett goes.
Now everyone is horrible. So may as well suspend Z.
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I think it's more a "one too many times" scenario
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jun 26, 2010 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions
They're gonna have to trade the idiot.
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
What an embarrassing organization
You’ve had to suspend TWO of your players in the last calendar year for being enormous pricks, and what is worse is that neither was effective while the WERE playing.
Embarrassing. Ricketts family is going to have to clean house just to save face.
"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella
Z was effective
at one point…unfortunately it ended when he signed the big bucks
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To Z's credit
He appears to be the only person on the team who gives a shit about anything…..misdirected as it may be.
by DMCub on Jun 25, 2010 6:16 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
it's true.
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
by lexmarklover on Jun 25, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
uh oh
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
The meth addict in the alley outside my office seems to be the only person with some "fire in the belly" near me...
does that make her right? Come on.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not condoning his actions.
I’m just tired of watching everyone going thru the motions.
As I said above, misdirected as it may be, at least SOMEONE looked like they had a pulse in that dugout.
by DMCub on Jun 25, 2010 6:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
yea you got a point there
its pretty frustrating for me to see these guys suck as bad as they have and look like they could give a fuck less about.
OK, but don't give Z "credit" for anything.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough
Poor choice of words on my part.
by DMCub on Jun 25, 2010 6:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
fair enough.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure about that
More and more, Z cares about Z, I think. He’s been around long enough to know what a team mentality is. The way he blew up today, he did it because the 4 runs made HIm look bad. So he went after the ones he thought were culpable. A bigger person sucks it up and gets a 1-2-3 inning in the second.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 25, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Exactly.
Recommended.
Zambrano is mad because he sucks and is blaming every teammate but himself. He’ll have to apologize and perform or he’ll overstay his welcome in the North Side.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 25, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
Does he think he’s the first pitcher to give up four runs in the first inning? Who threw the home run ball to Quinton? Mike Quade? Give me a break. I hate that fire in belly, give a shit nonsense. No good teamate blows up like that in full view of everyone and shows up his teamates. Does he think he’s the only one on the team who wants to win? Carlos cares about Carlos, not winning as a team. Sit down and shut up. DLee had it right, that is total BS.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 25, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
He wasn't trying to rally the troops
He was ticked because he sucked and wanted to take it out on anything that moved… or didn’t move.
I don't agree with this at all
I think a lot of the players feel helpless right now, and that was Carlos’ way of expressing his frustration… he just needed a better, more private, outlet.
What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
He should try Iowa...or Tampa Bay.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Betcha we can get a catcher from the Mets for him
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
do we need a catcher?
or am I missing something – wouldnt be bad – get another catcher and move Soto to 1b next year
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They've got about 30 catchers over there
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
We have Michael Brenly.
Duh.
What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
HANK WHITE
GITERDONEJIM!
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
How about an outfielder
from Seattle
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
How about an outfielder from Toronto, or a second baseman from Baltimore?
GETITDONEJIM!
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jun 26, 2010 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree in principle.
Unfortunately, we you flat suck yourself, no one takes you seriously when you go ape shit like that. And if you’re calling out your teammates for sucking, you look like an idiot. Z had it right that his teammates all suck. But he’s been the Cubs worst player from the first pitch of Opening Day.
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004
we you flat suck yourself
this sounds so wrong…
they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)
Sorry. "When you flat suck yourself" is what I meant.
My bad. I’m so mad today I can’t even type.
"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004
Not sure that's any better
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
was just going to post that
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jun 26, 2010 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions
amen to that.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 3:09 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL. I think you described the situation.
Zambrano is not in a strong position to complain because this team sucks. He should be humble enough to recognize that he’s sucked too… big time!
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 25, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you suggesting
we can trade him for a different porn star?
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Interesting comments from Hendry regarding z's bullpen stint
said that Z was sent to the pen because he was every other starter was pitching better than him “no more, no less”. Obviously, that’s not what we were told at the time.
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
For what it's worth, that remains a horrible, horrible decision that has impacted this season (and next) negatively.
Z’s demotion this year came after 4 starts. One of them was horrible. The other three were reasonable, high-K, low-ER affairs, and the final 1 of those 3 was pretty darn good.
The idea that he’d be demoted three weeks after his awful start, because his YTD stats looked bad on April 23, is just stupid.
Secondly, it was stupid because it was the equivalent of poking a bear with a stick. He’s a massively overpaid, and massively fragile asset. He may have had the worst YTD stats of the 5 as of April 23, but the idea that a starter “deserves” to go to the pen at some point in April based on YTD totals is not "just’, it is daft. By all accounts, it horribly ticked Z off. It made the team worse. And at some level, it contributed to Z having this meltdown, and Z’s trade value is left close to absolute zero.
Would it have been THAT hard to coddle the jerk and hope for some success and a trading window?
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Unfortunately, time has proven you right.
The team panicked and did enormous damage by sending this guy to the pen. Moreover, I think the biggest damage was allowing this baby to refuse to perform up to the best of his ability because he was mad at the demotion. Remember how the speed of his pitches improved overnight once he was told he would be back in the rotation? The Red Sox traded Manny Ramírez when he pulled up a stunt like that. The Cubs, though, rewarded the offender.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 25, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you suggesting
that Z wasn’t giving his best? My god, man, I heard him say he was going to win the Cy Young Award. Can I trust no one in this wacky world?
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
for this organization? Yes.
Would it have been THAT hard to coddle the jerk and hope for some success and a trading window?
If there is one thing Jim Hendry has shown over the last few years is that if there is a wrong roster move to be made, he’ll make it. Both Zambrano’s move, and the calling up of Castro were panic moves designed to try and show the fanbase that they were doing “something” both moves have proven to be pretty goddamn stupid. Castro has made 10 errors and is hitting .255 after admittedly a very good OFFENSIVE start and then this today.
If Tom Ricketts has a brain in his head, today should be the final straw as far as Hendry’s career with this organization.
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jun 26, 2010 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm shocked
I tell you I’m shocked.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
nothing on channel 5 but what we saw...no parking lot stuff
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
About time someone showed some emotion on this team
Carlos may have thrown a temper tantrum, but is that frustration any different from what we’ve been feeling when watching this team? I have to agree with Bob here about what he said. It’s about time someone showed some emotion. What the heck good did it do to suspend the guy indefinitely? Zambrano is the least of our problems. The offense has been the major problem.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
He is a problem.
And while it was nice for someone to show some emotion — it’s complete bullshit on how he did show the emotion. Show some GD emotion on the DAMN FIELD. Not at your teammates. Zambrano always talks about he’s mature and he’s grown up, and it’s all bullshit. He’ll always be a child.
I want emotion when you fail and dedication to not make it happen again. I don’t want emotion that I expect from my 2-year-old daughter.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
I've seen plenty of people blow their tops in the strangest situations
But Lee certainly didn’t help the situation because he started shouting at Zambrano, as if he had a lot of room to start cussing the guy out in the first place. Lee should have been suspended too.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Here we go.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Give me a break
Zambrano was shouting at no one in particular, Lee escalates by calling him out and swearing at the guy. Like that’s gonna cool Zambrano down. Really.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
It's called leadership and putting an asshole in his place. You give Z props for "showing emotion" but cut Lee down for the same thing?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
To be honest
those are not your exact words.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 25, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha
Just messin with ya
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 25, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
So you only approve of players showin emotion one at a time. Got it.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
At least you could come out and say that at the beginning...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Arguing that Lee should be suspended is more fun
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
I can't believe you actually said that. Lee escalates it? Lee should be suspended?
You’ve lost it here. The guy charges you and Lee should have backed down and ignored him. You famously want our players to have “fire” in the dugout for some weird reason and want to suspend Lee for doing the same thing? This makes no sense at all. Lee did what he should do today at least…stand up for himself and tell Carlos it’s on you today too, you’re bullshit to come after us when you fail yourself.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 3:15 AM CDT up reply actions
where's micah hoffpauier
when you need him…or hell Sori to 1b because having a crappy defender play a position that sees ALOT of plays is just fantastic
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Lee may not have helped, and his reaction was not to just turn away, but none of us know what Zambrano really said
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
There's really no way to know
What I do know is that if Z had a problem with Lee, he would have directed his tirade at Lee from the beginning.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Oh you think so?
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 25, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
You saw when he went nuclear on that umpire last season
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
"You throw *me* out? I throw YOU out!"
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I actually liked that tirade
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Because the ump was right there
He walked into a bunch of his teammates and went off, when he turned to pace in the other direction, that’s when he saw Lee, and that’s when Lee pulled Z’s punk card.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 25, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
From what I saw
Lee shouted at Z from behind. Z then turned around and directed his tirade at Lee.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Still does not change the fact that we do not know who said what when.
Zambrano was already, IMHO, losing it when he “stomped” on 1st base. Lee may or may not have made things worse.
I find this quote by Lou “interesting”: “I told him to go home, yes, before the game was over. We didn’t want any problems in the clubhouse after the ballgame.”
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
I didn't see much leadership there
Piniella did a better job in the locker room.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Well, Lee called Z to task because he was showing his teammates off after he sucked pitching.
No one would tolerate what Z did and Lee was right in calling Zambrano to shut up or put up. That’s leadership.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 25, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
He's just talking trash. Don't feed the troll.
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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 25, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
What are you smoking?
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
Aren't you the same guy that wants Randy Wells off the team?
So I guess the moral is, if you want to impress Ace, suck, but do it colorfully?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jun 26, 2010 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh man
the White Sox bring out the “best” in this shittastic team.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 25, 2010 6:24 PM CDT reply actions
I believe we are witnessing the nadir of our year
then again, this is the Year of Quicksand…
they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)
I think, if anything else...
this shows Hendry and Ricketts (wherever he is) that this team, this season, is over. Now’s the time to blow it up. No need to keep waiting. It’s done. Over. Kaput. Finished.
Ron Santo - .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Enough said ! Any more questions ?
June 1, 2007, Cubs 4th place, 8 under .500, 7.5 games out of first
Zambrano goes nuts, Cubs go on to win the Central.
June, 25, 2010, Cubs 4th place 9 under, 8.5 back. Z goes nuts…
Oh, yeah, this is just what they needed to turn the season around!
"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin
It's been a while
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
awww I miss DeRo
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by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Another busted player
he would have fit in well on this year’s team.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 25, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I was gonna say more as one of my "fantasy" baseball players, not a member of our team
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by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Lee sure has a lot of room to start cussing at Zambrano
The guy can’t hit the broadside of a barn anymore.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
And Zambrano sure has been worth 19 million this year.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
by Unique on Jun 25, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
At least Lee
doesn’t blame anyone else on the team for his poor performance. Just sayin’.
Props on the Dio sig line, too.
What size bar are we talking about
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Lee has aged 20 years since becoming a Cub….someone get this guy a cane
by Comfortably Numb on Jun 25, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Z: I'mma going to blame you guys for this inning!
Lee: Stop your jibba jabba foo!
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Nice. Good condensed version...sums it up well.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 3:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes!
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
just wait
soon it will be an Aquafina commercial
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Bleed Castro Blue
Sardonic foreboding or ironic hindsight? Al Yellon's First Pitch Thread
“Another good one today, please, Z”
Anyone want to start taking bets of Al's recap title?
My guess is “Cubs are shutout at the Cell, Z needs to get shut in a padded cell”
Discuss.
What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
My suggestion in the game thread was
“Z gets Peaved off, Lee innocent bystander”
Yeah he totally forgot to say Go Go Gadget Arms on that play....
Ugh…
What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
so what was
Z griping about before Lee stepped up and told him to shut up? His sucking?
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No telling
But if Z had a problem with Lee to start, he would have gone after him from the beginning.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
That's crazy...that he was angry at more than one person doesn't mean at all
he didn’t care about Lee. You’re translating your dislike of Lee before today into going after Lee in any way you can.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 3:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Lou said he told Lee he should have dived for a ball
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by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
yes in the written word
with absolutely 0 context behind it…I am not saying this is 0% Lee’s fault but Z isnt innocent either
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I dont think it was only Lee, he was ranting about everyone, Lee told him to shut the F up and then he directed the rant at only him
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by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
yep, he looked like he was whispering when he entered the dugout to me
jesus christ dude, are you drunk or stoned today?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jun 26, 2010 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Nah he just doesn't like Lee and wants him gone.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 3:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Everybody doesn't like somebody
But nobody doesn’t like Derrek Lee!
(sadly, I’ve had precious few occasions to post that this year)
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 26, 2010 4:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly, I wish Lee had told him
“Sorry, I don’t take critiques from the bullpen.”
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
But he doesn't take them from his hitting coach
Zing!
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
He ain't the only one.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
Z was looking for someone to tangle with
He has the history, Lee does not
Winner!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
look at where we are at with this team...
weeks and weeks of Lou must go, Hendry must go….
now: weeks and weeks of Z must go
oy.
they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)
Well in defense
That title to the post was a repeat from 3 years ago…after the Z and Barrett fight.
"This team is poop"
There’s your title.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 25, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Al's delaying posting it
Letting us all rant and rave here instead.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Look on the bright side.
The Cubs still have Marlon Byrd!
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
Can he pitch?
Ron Santo - .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Enough said ! Any more questions ?
can he manage?
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by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Can he grow hair?
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
extremely overrated..taking on Dero status
by Comfortably Numb on Jun 25, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
He is the only guy on the team other than Colvin....who's been doing anything at the plate on a consistent basis.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Jeeze, do you expect Byrd to carry the damn team or something?
He performing slightly above what most people though he could do…and he hustles like a madman.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a damn shame that getting rid of Z and the tension has no chance at
turning this team around signficantly. I’d love a team of 9 Byrds.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 3:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Our OF defense would be awesome, but our pitching would struggle.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
LOL that it would!
Love to see byrd throwing home, byrd catching…the player sliding low and to the side…oh shit, not him behind the plate! He just knocked me down going into second last inning!
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
byrds got an arm
but im sure everyone will be sitting on his FB
"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.
by jesus christos on Jun 26, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
overrated?
No one is saying he’s the next Ernie Banks. He’s just the only guy that seems like he remembers how to hit like a MLB player.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
good player…i like him…not ready to erect a statue
by Comfortably Numb on Jun 25, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
unique
wasnt saying that….why the non-liking of one of the only hustlers on the team who is playing well..
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LOL i never said i was "ready to erect a statue"
He’s a great leader and a pretty good damn player. What else do you want?
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
by lexmarklover on Jun 25, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
ok
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
by lexmarklover on Jun 25, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
u r right though..least of our problems
by Comfortably Numb on Jun 25, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
you're greedy...you probably want to win the World Series too....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
crazy isn’t it…right now i would take 2 wins in a row
by Comfortably Numb on Jun 25, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
great leader?
This is about the fifth dude on the club I’ve seen anointed as a leader in the last couple of days. Which leads me to a couple of conclusions. Either people who say that so and so are “great leaders” either don’t have the slightest clue what it is a leader does, or we have far too many leaders and they are all attempting to lead in different directions.
This team is LEADERLESS
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jun 26, 2010 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Also, I hate nearly everyone on this team
They’re already losing, so I would much rather see some kids and other guys from the minors out there who actually want to play, whether if they win or lose, because seeing these assholes stink up on a daily basis is tiring.
In short, f’ off 2010 Chicago Cubs.
Love,
Go f’ yourselves
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 25, 2010 6:29 PM CDT reply actions
is that really you, Craig - or
are you Carlos?
AND PRINT IT
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 25, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
this is not a repeat from 2009
or is it……..
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jun 26, 2010 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
In the dugout? None of us
In the clubhouse? Slightly more.
On the field directed at an umpire? A lot.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
isnt it HIS JOB
to yell and cuss at players when they are being dumbasses!!!
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He probably would have died
but he would have lived on forever on YouTube and Vimeo.
Maybe Funny or Die as well.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 25, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Only if the screaming was directed at
(Name Redacted).
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
I’ve seen a number of people online, as well as heard a lot of people on the radio, talk about how this team has no fire, no passion, doesn’t give a crap about winning, etc. Much of this flak has been directed at Lou Piniella specifically.
Frankly, I think it’s hypocritical for the same people who criticized Lou Piniella for not showing any intensity to turn around and rip on Zambrano for this.
by Outshined_One on Jun 25, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
You've done the research and concluded
that it’s the exact same people?
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
You're saying there's no overlap between the two?
by Outshined_One on Jun 25, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Onus is on you, not me
You have to prove your assertations, otherwise they are false. T
I never said in any of my posts that it was the exact same people.
Moreover, my assertion was that it would be hypocritical for those people criticizing Lou Piniella for not showing intensity while, at the same time, ripping on Zambrano for being an immature brat for having a blow-up at a player who he felt should have put more effort into a play.
by Outshined_One on Jun 25, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Intensity is one thing. Showing off your teammates is an entirely different one.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 25, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Yap those are two entirely different things.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 3:31 AM CDT up reply actions
There probably is.
But for some people, there might not be.
For example, I criticize Lou Piniellia for being a lousy in-game manager. I criticize Zambrano for being an infantile basket case with a hair-trigger temper. I see no hypocrisy there.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
If you think Lou Piniella is an idiot when it comes to things like constructing a lineup, using his bullpen, etc, I think that’s quite distinct from thinking it is detrimental to this team that Lou Piniella doesn’t show more intensity or scream and holler at guys who are loafing it in the field.
by Outshined_One on Jun 25, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Indeed.
I wouldn’t care if Lou hollers, laughs, cries, or whatever during the game, so long as he appears to have some grasp of the situation. It’s about his acumen, not his intensity. Sometimes he does make Jerry Manuel look like Bobcat Goldthwait, though.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
I personally,
haven’t been saying those things toward Pinella, however, it’s so different for a guy that is playing in a game, and starting, to let his emotions boil over and throw his teammates under the bus and look for trouble. If Piniella yelled at his guys, it wouldn’t be in the same regard. Zambrano is being paid to perform at a high level, Piniella is being paid to manage the talent and give guys motavation. If Piniella decided to belittle his players, I WOULD be the first one to say that he has to go.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
far too many
apparently losing your mind and freaking out is something to be cherished by some here
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jun 26, 2010 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Quickly?
It’s almost July!
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 25, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
It's still early!
Just waiting for TJ to arrive
Thomas Jefferson?
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 25, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I have a lot of patience
But seeing clubhouse problems is one of the final straws for me.
And the worse part, I think things like this happens in the clubhouse a lot this year. The way guys like Theriot and Dempster no-sold the entire thing leads me to think this isn’t the first time Z or other players have been like this. Its just the first time with a camera rolling…
I wish I could catch more Nationals games.
I just can’t watch the Sox and even pretend to enjoy myself.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
Feelin limp?
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 25, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Knowing Z, he probably will.
He’s a nutball, no doubt. But I think he’s not a bad guy and will realize he was wrong.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Of course, it doesn't help
that he’s apparently having dinner with Ozzie tonight who thinks his behavior was entirely defensible.
they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)
they're both a coupla f-heads
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
He sure would have to. Ozzie would have done the exact thing except charge players..
if he were Z’s size I know he would do the same thing.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 3:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Apparently....
Ozzi and his family, Andruw Jones and his family, and Z and his family are all having dinner together tonight.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Gotta wonder who will be the first person to yell "That's BS!"
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Oooh!
I wonder what they’ll be having.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 25, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Something expensive and good
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Church's Chicken?
or Texas de Brazil?
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 25, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
The White Sox should just keep him.
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
by lexmarklover on Jun 25, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Z and some prospects for Beckham?
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
they can give us Peavy for him
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by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
PV for Z?
No way that happens
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
How about the Mariners do a sign and trade with Lee for Z? Although it sounds like the Twins are already getting him.
Ron Santo - .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Enough said ! Any more questions ?
No Sox castoffs...team already tainted.
Ron Santo - .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Enough said ! Any more questions ?
They can have him for a
low-A player and we can pay 75% of his salary. And I will drive Zambrano across town personally.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
Ozzie's good friends with D. Lee as well.
I’m guessing he will try his best to steer the conversation away from today’s game.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
he already said he liked what he saw
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh.
Well, then he’s as dumb as he looks.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
and that he could manage Z and anyone else
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
So all the weeks of Gorz...
….tweaking Z finally paid off. Congrats Tom, your work here is done!
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Yeah, all you fucktards need to watch your mouths.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I rec because i giggle
"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella
simply.awesome
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jun 26, 2010 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Derrek Lee gets banned from BCB ??? I don't think so.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
I would pay to see Al use profanity in the recap title.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
never happen
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
wait...just what are we allowed to say? can I say the team is shitty?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
...
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Good pic...approrpriate, wish it had the one though saying STILL shitty.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 3:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I got warned for saying what this team does
is a c**ktease, so apparently you can’t say that.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 25, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
will I get in trouble if I call Zambrano a Majestic Thunder Cunt?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I suggest everyone who does fear NSFW go here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3EVajeiGCs
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 25, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Everyone who DOESN'T fear!!!!!!!!!!
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 25, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
dang! you should've said it was AUDIO lol!
they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)
LOL SORRY
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 25, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL thanks I needed that!!
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Challenge Pissing
That’s all you need to know.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 25, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Bring your wife!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
NSFW
But similar to what Craig put
A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
by Azul Cachorro on Jun 25, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJQU22Ttpwc
A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
by Azul Cachorro on Jun 25, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Ugh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJQU22Ttpwc
There ya go/
A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
by Azul Cachorro on Jun 25, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it for ye wolde have my queynte allone?
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
Probably but well worth doing.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 3:35 AM CDT up reply actions
What the French toast?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nfh92hKLO6c
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
you calling me a doodie queen?
they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)
Who are you calling a doodie queen
you lint licker?
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 25, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Everyone sounds like Dana White all of a sudden
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 25, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
You mean Vanna White?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 25, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd still do her
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jun 26, 2010 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions
"That's boo shit" Derrek Lee
is the close second
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
yet we will
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what we're here for :)
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 3:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I could repeat it about a thousand times tho
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
It seems like we've played 5 months already
very long.
When does football start?
by salparadise23 on Jun 25, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh boy...the game replay is on.
Ron Santo - .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Enough said ! Any more questions ?
I want to see who didnt dive for balls
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Colvin shoulda dove for that ball that went about 15 rows into the bleachers.
Ron Santo - .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Enough said ! Any more questions ?
Can we get a game thread for it?
So some of us can live the magic in real time all over again?
Just read through the old ones slowly
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Think how boring it must be to be the fan of another team.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 25, 2010 7:02 PM CDT reply actions
Why talk baseball
When you can get a daily fix of “The Real Housewives of the North Side”?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
lol with a tear at the same time
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
yeah win win win, yawn
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
i like how the title of the recap of this game on cubs.com doesnt mention z's meltdown
"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.
all is well!
"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.
by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Bacon!
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
mmmm
bacon
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
Trouble
Z was already on double-secret probation!
by salparadise23 on Jun 25, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 3:39 AM CDT up reply actions
This is pathetic, not only Z, this whole team. More times than not, he's done his job,
more times than not, D Lee and the offense haven’t. To suspend a guy cause he was showing his emotions and how much they all sucked is pathetic
by braziliancubsfan on Jun 25, 2010 7:07 PM CDT reply actions
Yes, but the one time Z decides to lay a big ol' egg, he goes apeshit
You can’t have that.
i'm sorry, but Zambrano needed to do that. D Lee could retire along with Piniella
by braziliancubsfan on Jun 25, 2010 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
you sound mad ;)
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't trust anyone over the age of 30!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I'm almost 50 - The cake is a lie.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
The cake is not a lie!
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 25, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I told you he was different! I knew it wouldn't work! `Feed him with hallcinatory drugs. Put him in a dangerous environment. Talk to him through microphones!
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
Don't lie eths...
We know you are only 22.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
am i a very happy 14 year old following the cubs for every second of when they play?? nope
i should stop, but i can’t
by braziliancubsfan on Jun 25, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Zach Greinke gets as good, if not worse run support with better pitching performances
I don’t see him taking out Gatorade containers or belittling teammates.
Z was over the top..
telling his teammates to dive for balls. It seems he blamed that inning on his teammates not himself.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Depends on what was said
If he’s storming into the dugout belittling other players for his own poor performance, then no, he didn’t need to do that.
Yup
I know a lot of people don’t like Z because he hasn’t lived up to his potential, but somebody had to show some emotion.
:D
Yeah, that really helped. We went on a tear of eight more scoreless innings. Emotion cures all.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 25, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
oh holy shit.
dude, you need to buy a clue
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
by Nunyabidness on Jun 26, 2010 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I saw him say this before. He's 15 though. Not worth debating.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 3:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah, my bad. 14. just gotta let him go with it.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 3:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Think Z was on edge because of the 1 year anniversary of MJ's death?
I give him a pass.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
i guess that explains it
RIP man
"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.
by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
OT: S.O.D. needs to reunite just to record the Ballad of Michael Jackson
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Or replay "Premenstrual Princess Blues" for Big Z
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I heard Z still had the famous Farrah Fawcett poster in his locker
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
and DLee took it down?
they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)
Then put it in a burrito and ate it
True story, but I can’t tell you my source
That was after he sat on Z's vuvuzela and broke it
It was an “accident”
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Kerry Wood smashed it with Sammy Sosa's boombox
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
hahahaha :-D
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Lee just walked by it one day and said
“You know those aren’t real, right?”
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
General Derrek Lee - "This is a barracks, not a bordello."
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 25, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Bottom of the 1st coming up
Tune in and record on the DVR, all you lip readers
Z looks so calm
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
On replay, I don't think Lee can just dive at that ball
He’s trying to play it on a hop and anticipate the bounce, you don’t dive for that. Z is even more in the wrong if that’s what set him off
no way Lee could get it and now he's pissed cuz a bunt pop up was not caught
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
That one fell just right
It was unlucky, nothing else
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
right...but I think all these plays in his mind should have been outs
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he was mad at all the defensive plays in the 1st
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Derrek Lee forgot to give Z the money for those candy bars he took
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
"That shit was for charity, man!"
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
for anger management?
/rimshot
"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.
by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
another shutout. We must be on pace for some sort of record here. At least in the non-deadball era.
Recap posted.
I’m going to have dinner, and then I’ll be back.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
carlos
is still a good pitcher. with a little creativity and a lot of cash you will find a taker. though jumping on a gentlemen like derek lee cant help your reputation.but d lee will be gone next year and carlos is still salvageable.wait and see.
I could care less that Z went nuts on this team. He’s terrible, and so are his teammates! I loved the fact that these overpriced goons were embarrassed on tv. The great DLEE who EVERYBODY loves(except me) finally got off his lazy a$$ and said something to Z to “put Z in his place” and then backed it up on the field going 1-4 with THREE K’s as he and his teammates scored a WHOPPING ZERO runs! If I was a pitcher on this team, I’d be FURIOUS as well!
ok
"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.
by jesus christos on Jun 26, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
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