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Zambrano Must Go After Epic Meltdown In 6-0 Loss To White Sox

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Let's get the specifics out of the way first: the Cubs lost 6-0 to the White Sox this afternoon, the Sox' 10th straight win and a fine performance by Jake Peavy.

But that's not what any of us wants to talk about, right?

I was thinking all the way home about exactly how to approach Carlos Zambrano's tantrum -- and that's what it was, stomping around the dugout like a four-year-old who had his baseball taken away -- apparently because he didn't feel Derrek Lee either tried hard enough to stop Juan Pierre's ground ball double down the line leading off the game, or didn't argue that it was foul (it looked fair to me, and I was sitting directly down the RF line in the outfield; just saw the replay and that also confirmed it was a fair ball). I decided to wait until after I saw the full rebroadcast of the first inning and Z's meltdown, too, until I posted.

There's a lot to digest here. Z not only went off on D-Lee, who is one of the classiest and nicest guys to ever wear a Cubs uniform; according to this tweet from Carrie, he yelled obscenities at TV camerapeople in the parking lot after Lou sent him home:

#Cubs Carlos Zambrano has reportedly left US Cellular but not without shouting obscenities at Chicago TV camera crews

For those who think this adds "fire" to this team, let me respectfully say: you're 100% incorrect. Baseball is an everyday sport and needs levelheadedness and teamwork and getting along and quiet leadership -- exactly the kind that D-Lee shows, and that Z never has. It's the "lack of fire" thinking that got the Cubs into trouble last year in signing Milton Bradley, and yes, I'll mention his name now because I think that's relevant. That wasn't, and Z's outbursts aren't, the kind of "fire" the Chicago Cubs needed, then, now or ever. Bob Brenly mentioned this on the telecast as a good thing -- I like Bob, but he's wrong about this one. This kind of "fire" doesn't help anyone.

Star-divide

Z has been suspended by Cubs GM Jim Hendry; this quote from Hendry in a tweet from Carrie is telling:

Carlos Zambrano has been suspended indefinitely by the #Cubs. Says GM Jim Hendry: "We'll play with 24 before we tolerate that behavior"

Indeed. When Bradley had troubles this year with the Mariners, the team put him on the restricted list, paid him and got him help. Z clearly needs that help; if the Cubs think they can get it for him, perhaps that's the route they should take, although my guess is that if the Cubs can find any takers for the $36 million left on his contract after this year (his vesting option for 2013 will likely never vest), they should investigate any and all options. It may be they'll have to take someone else's bad deal in return, as they did with Carlos Silva -- or it may be that Tom Ricketts will have to swallow hard and just jettison Z and all his baggage. Z hasn't been a dominant pitcher since 2007, although he showed flashes of it in 2008. It may be that there are simply too many miles on his arm; he barely touched 90 MPH in the first inning -- an inning in which he let his teammates down. After Pierre's double, it was clear that he was angry and basically served up meatballs to the Sox, culminating in Carlos Quentin's three-run homer.

Is that the kind of "fire" you want? Not me. I think Carlos Zambrano has played his final game in a Cubs uniform.

There's one more thing that really bothered me this afternoon. Not long before the end of the game, Dennis Culloton, who is a spokesman for Tom Ricketts for non-baseball affairs, sent out this tweet:

This wouldn't happen at the Friendly Confines.

Excuse me? Excuse me? One of your boss's highest-paid employees throws a tantrum and shows up his manager and teammates in front of a sellout crowd at your in-city rival's ballpark and you blame the ballpark?

Culloton later sent out this 'explanatory' tweet after being called on it by Paul Sullivan:

that was a joke Sully. Where's my gatorade? RT @PWSullivan: Ricketts' spokesman blames the Cell for Z outburst

A joke? A "joke"? Not a very funny joke, Dennis, when your boss's team is falling apart at the seams. "Humor" like that isn't funny under the best of circumstances, and I think Tom Ricketts needs to take charge of this situation right away -- like rightfreakingnow -- because the franchise that has had the attention of most baseball fans in Chicago since at least 1998, is in danger of losing fans. Tweets like this, obviously, are only a small fraction of the problem, but the Cubs and new ownership have to realize that things are spinning out of control in many different ways.

Tom Ricketts and Jim Hendry, the ball is squarely in your court. Jim Hendry has been a players' GM and has often gone way beyond where most managers of workers would go with bad behavior. He finally stood up to Bradley's bad act last September. It's time for him to stand up to Z. Thanks for the no-hitter, Z, and a few years of fine pitching which are way in the rear-view mirror. But it is time for you to play baseball elsewhere.

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Excellent write up, Al!

Very well done! Agreed 100%

by cubfanwill on Jun 25, 2010 7:30 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks.

I’m having dinner. More later.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Now THAT would have been an interesting scene. Although, I wouldn’t have understood much because I don’t speak Spanish.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe I can speak a language you might know in a month.

Do you happen to speak any Mandarin Chinese?

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope.

And I don’t think any baseball players do, either.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could Z be moved to the Sox?

i dont see who they would want to unload, but Z and Ozzie have a friendship that might be able to save Z’s career IMHO

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by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 25, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe, but...

… the Sox couldn’t afford that contract. Could you imagine Z succeeding for the Sox while the Cubs are paying him?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

They picked Alex Rios off the scrap heap

But Rios’s only problem was poor play. Z’s problem is poor play AND he’s a headcase.

by JimAnchower on Jun 25, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly?

Yes.

"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.

by Goodie1969 on Jun 25, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent work

Tho I’m a relatively new fan of BCB, its articles like these that keep drawing me back. Al Y, its clear ur a fan. Honest comments on a nasty situation w/o suger-coating. perfect. As a side note: BB virtually “endorsed” Zs actions following the blow-up?! Another reason hes broadcasting n not managing. I’d like to see more “passion” too, but not btwn team-mates!

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by jeffstorm2 on Jun 26, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Z is a douche

hopefully he’s gone

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jun 25, 2010 7:31 PM CDT reply actions  

No need for the namecalling.

But I agree with you that he needs to go.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Keep Zambrano

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jun 25, 2010 7:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Why?

Seriously. If you think so, why?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

In all honesty

Here’s why I think Zambrano should stay. That contract is simply too big to move. If his anger is a problem, make it mandatory that the guy go through some anger management. Whether it’s during the season or also in the offseason, I don’t think that’s a bad thing. It’s pretty obvious that Zambrano cares and some are being a bit quick to throw the guy under the bus.

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jun 25, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really hope you're not serious...

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark

by NDCubbie on Jun 25, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

People are throwing him under the bus because they're tired of his annual antics

that embarrass the organization. Maybe you’re right, his contract is simply too big to move. But I really don’t think anyone’s being “a bit quick” in wanting him gone. This crap has gone on for years.

by shoemile on Jun 25, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think the Cubs could have got wells

Or Zito this offseason as a bad contract swap. But not now.

by cozmotaylor123 on Jun 25, 2010 7:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

But Ace it's the same crap every year with this guy...

Everyone said that he stayed in Chicago over the winter and lost 15 pounds, but it’s the same crap! Cut the losses and get rid of this guy!

I’ve never seen pitchers blow up like this guy.

Opening day, the gatorade machine, today, etc. etc.

by cubfanwill on Jun 25, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

We just moved Bradley for similar problems

That doesn’t say much about the Cubs organization to begin with. Maybe, just maybe, someone should make an effort here. A lot has been allowed to slide because Zambrano was having good seasons.

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jun 25, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point...

But Bradley has had problems everywhere he’s been, and I would venture to guess Zambrano would be the same way.

by cubfanwill on Jun 25, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remember Bradley defenders from last season

Bradley was pretty much dumped on while Zambrano was permitted to get away with his antics. The difference was that Zambrano actually contributed something to the organization whereas Bradley really didn’t have that history. When you consider how far they let things go with Zambrano over the years, it’s no surprise that they couldn’t handle Bradley. They were just quicker to do something about the Bradley problem because the guy seriously underperformed. Zambrano was at least an All-Star in 2008.

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jun 25, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be fair...

Bradley was an all-star in 2008 too.

I have not idea what’s going to happen with this guy.

Trade him for: ADAM LIND, Brian Roberts, and Jake Peavy! :)

by cubfanwill on Jun 25, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

The big argument around these parts is...

…that Z has been an unmitigated disaster since getting his big bucks. That’s not true.

2007-09
W-L: 41-26
ERA: 3.89
GS: 92
SO: 459
CG: 3
SHO: 2
ERA+: 118

That includes an All-Star appearance in 2008 plus the no-hitter. The numbers don’t jump out as a major peak from 2007-2009, but they’re not exactly horrible. He missed time in 2008 and 2009 due to injuries. Obviously 2010 is a completely different monster, but the guy hasn’t been a complete disaster.

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jun 25, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I understand your reasoning...

… and you’re right, the contract may be unmoveable. But at this point, they have to try.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The voice of reason.

I agree, of course.

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on Jun 25, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

They need to try to deal with this problem.

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jun 25, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Considering that no one will want to assume the reaminder of Z's contract...

I agree with you. The Cubs will have to try to “fix” the guy first. But Al is right. It would be preferable to get rid of Z. It might be impossible at this time, though.

by Fraggin Judge on Jun 25, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Honesty, who knows?

There was a time when I’m sure they let a lot of Zambrano’s eccentricities slide when he was dominant. If he’s doing good, why mess with it? Now the guy is having a down year and they finally realize they have a powder keg on their hands.

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jun 25, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree whole heartedly

After I read the post on ESPN that Z blew up at Lee, I said its time for Z to go. Lets just cut our losses and start over. Though the eternal optimist and will not give up completely on the Cubs….yet. It is time for some change…Z, Lou, etc

by NebraskaCubsFan on Jun 26, 2010 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

BCB

is as schizophrenic as ever.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I am unanimous in this!

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Part of me...

Agrees… and part disagrees…

Guess that makes me schizophrenic

Bluto: Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.
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by Endrick on Jun 25, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is downright ugly, and heartbreaking.

This team is completely collapsing—and it seems to be on all levels.

by Mrs. Zeke on Jun 25, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not on all levels

There are some real bright spots in this club. They are just drastically overshaodowed by the bad.

by 100yearitch on Jun 25, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

The question is not if Z should go

But who we will have to send with him to get someone to take him

by Danwood on Jun 25, 2010 7:32 PM CDT reply actions  

i think Ozzie G would take him

Is there a possible deal with the WS?

by cozmotaylor123 on Jun 25, 2010 7:46 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

What exactly would the Sox do with him?

Danks, PV, Buehrle, Floyd, and Freddie are all better than Z.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jun 25, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

It just seems like Ozzie might want the challenge.

by cozmotaylor123 on Jun 25, 2010 7:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

i dont know..

"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.

by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

For as much as I dislike Ozzie...

…he’s a smart baseball guy. God that was painful to type.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jun 25, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good recap.

I agree with just about everything stated there.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark

by NDCubbie on Jun 25, 2010 7:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Serious question:

How should Ricketts take hold of the situation? Demand Z’s traded no matter what? Fire Jim/Lou? What specifically do you have in mind?

by shoemile on Jun 25, 2010 7:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Goodness, we've been discussing this for months.

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 25, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not just the Z situation...

…. it’s the seemlng lack of leadership in the entire organization.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Someone's placing too much importance on Twitter...

Just saw the outburst. Zambrano is desperate. He is unhappy at his situation and would be helpful for him—as a person—to change scenery. I thank him for my most cherished baseball memory—witnessing his no-hitter—and wish him success in the future.

by chilango2 on Jun 25, 2010 7:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Twitter holds a lot of power, chi

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 25, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it does.

And if Z was going off at TV camera people just doing their jobs — that’s way over the line.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

The TV cameramen who Kenny Rogers went at would like to have a word with you.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look at Al's comment here.

I’m referring to Kenny Rogers going off at TV camera people. Wish I could have replied to both comments at once.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

My comment should have been in reply to Al, not you.

Sorry about that.

We’re all angry about Z tonight.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nobody should berate the media

even if they step over the line. Zambrano is an immature child. Just move him at a loss. If he wins 20 games for somebody else, fine. It will never happen here. This is embarrssing shit. Over the line. I don’t know why Brenly thinks this is good.
Take out your frustrations behind closed doors.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 26, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow. Just when I think I can't be more flabbergasted

I read the Culloton comment. PLEASE baseball gods, PLEASE don’t give us fools for owners … or owner-employees. PLEASE

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 25, 2010 7:35 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Jun 25, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't care if he had just texted it to someone.

But Twitter is sort of a big deal for some people. That’s gonna get out.

"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.

by Goodie1969 on Jun 25, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's out now.

And you know, Culloton is a PR guy. He should know better.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the guy you fire

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jun 25, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Culloton doesn't even work for the Cubs.

He works for Ricketts personally and/or for Ricketts’ non-baseball companies. He shouldn’t be involved with the Cubs in any way.

Yet another reason Tom Ricketts needs to be HERE during the baseball season, not halfway around the world.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

You were right about him being halfway around the world

But Ricketts was sitting on his hands before he went out of town.

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jun 25, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nevertheless....

… he’s got a firestorm waiting for him when he gets back. And I’ll bet he never takes a family vacation during the season again.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or he just might stay way during the regular season

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jun 25, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going to give

Culloton a pass. So what if someone not on the payroll makes a lousy joke. As for Ricketts, he made plans long ago to take a trip. Exactly what would you have expected to do if he were here today? He’s made it perfectly clear that the baseball operation was in the hands of Crane and Jim.

Instead, we need to keep our eyes on the target, the removal of Lou and Jim and, hopefully Crane. Ricketts presence at the scene of the latest crime would not have prevented it from happening. Z was suspended and now a hearing will occur.

Unless we want an owner ala Mark Cuban, let Hendry and Lou dig their way out of this mess without the owners involvement. Because if he’s standing by their side, he’s much less likely to blame them.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jun 25, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Culloton has to know that his boss is under scrutiny.

It was a lame attempt at a joke, and on Twitter, you can’t “joke” like that. Not funny especially under the circumstances.

Ricketts could show that SOMEONE cares. Right now the entire franchise seems adrift. No, I don’t want a Mark Cuban type owner sticking his nose into everything.

But right now this franchise is in turmoil and its leader is in Africa.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Safari, so goodie!

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just don't care

if it was a lame joke. That’s minutiae in the midst of an organizational meltdown. The last thing I want is Tom Ricketts lashing out at some PR nobody rather than the real culprits.

Let this play out with Jim and Lou at the helm. I suspect their incompetence will become quite apparent. Now Ricketts has another long term no trade contract player in need of beheading. The season is lost. If we want a house cleaning, situations like this scream for one.

I’m certain that Ricketts has been on the phone with Hendry and maybe Lou and Crane. I don’t need him standing in front of Wrigley saying we won’t tolerate this type behavior. I don’t need reassurance from him. His $845M investment assures me of that.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jun 25, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Minutiae?

Maybe, and I agree others must be held accountable — but a PR flack ought to know better, too.

Sure, maybe Tom has been on the phone/email/whatever with Crane and Jim and Lou. I’d have liked to see him in front of a microphone in Chicago telling Cubs fans he’s not putting up with this.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

When Lou and Hendry

spoke, they did with the full knowledge and support of Ricketts. That’s a given. That’s the way big business is run. I preferred watching Lou and Jim having to explain their actions. It links Z’s tantrum with their failure to maintain control over the zoo that is the 2010 Cubs.

We will see Ricketts when he steps to the microphone and announces the team is headed in a new direction with different wagonmasters.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jun 25, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's no longer a dig.

Tom Ricketts should be here. Period. This is a mess consuming his franchise.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

i fail to see how him

being here could possibly help.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Because he is the owner and face of the franchise.

I fail to see how you don’t recognize that being away makes him look disinterested.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

you dont need to be there to look disinterested

"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.

by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think i worded that wrong

"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.

by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope. Makes sense to me.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 25, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm now with you, Al

wasn’t at first but this is a situation that requires Ricketts to be front and center

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 25, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think him being here would

make the response any different.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with Allie on this one.

Give me specific examples from other Chicago teams where an owner specifically stepped up and made public announcements himself, in person, to “remedy the situation”.

by cubsonWGN4ever on Jun 25, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Give me specific examples....

… of when another Chicago team has melted down this badly, this quickly, with a new owner trying to establish himself.

Right, you can’t.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

So ownership is like wolves?

you think he needs to be out there and dominant to have a shot at “estabilsihing himself”?

alrighty then.

i’m done. i don’t get why you think this is such a deal and probably won’t. but i did try. so we’ll just agree to disagree, alright/

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sure.

Like I said, I don’t need Ricketts to be a Mark Cuban. But I do think he should be around to be visible and in charge in situations like this. I’ll be watching his next moves closely.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

What does being "visible" and "in charge" mean?

What do you want him to do specifically?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 25, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

He ought to be making a statement...

… that he and the other managers are assessing the situation and will make the right decisions soon.

Jim Hendry has said this, true. I’d like to hear it from the team owner. This does NOT mean I want a Mark Cuban meddling in everything.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

why does it matter if he says something

that everyone knows is already happening?

"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.

by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because he's the owner of the franchise!

I don’t understand why that isn’t important to some of you.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because we all believe he is working

and doing ownery type things behind the scenes.

Me seeing him work means nothing.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then we'll agree to disagree.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hardly see this as "undermining".

That’s way over the top.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Put yourself in Hendry's shoes

you still don’t think this would be undermining?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 25, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I don't.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right. It's micromanaging.

Would you like it if your boss did something that was your responsibility?

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 25, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not that at all.

It’s adding your voice as the ultimate leader of the team, just to show that everyone’s on the same page.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

You should write a FanPost

Oh wait. You did!

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, come on.

That’s not what I was saying at all. Putting words in my mouth again.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Putting words in your mouth? No. You are going way overboard on this IMO, and in the eyes of respected posters like ballhawk. Be prepared to be called on it.

“Again”? When have I ever? I have disagreed with you on plenty of occasions. Cite an example where I put words in your mouth and/or treated you with disrespect. I’ll wait.

Frankly, I don’t appreciate the insinuation.

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 25, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

You accused me of equating this team to an army.

I made no such statement nor implication. All I’d like is a public statement from the owner — even if it’s to back up his GM and manager.

That’s not undermining nor micromanaging. It could be support, and it likely would be. That’s all I want to see.

Apologies for going over the top. This is a very emotional topic.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Understood.

I didn’t agree with your metaphor, and I hope you can see how doing what I suggest — issuing a statement of support — would do a world of good.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cool

I think I better go to sleep soon. Been a long day.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Finally! Some respect...

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 25, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

1 down

All you have to do now is fool convince the rest of us.

GLWT. :P

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

every time i see

rodney dangerfield i think of that simpsons episode.

you know. back when the simpsons was funny.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

you mean Mr Burns' son?

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

i honestly don't remember

the specifics other than the whole muttering about respect with the tug on the necktie.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, I just saw the episode :)

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's losing customers, (money) that's why

fans are seeing a team thats out of control and Ricketts saying anything will go a long way to giving back confidense that this franchise is still on the right track

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bingo!

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Getting me to buy into this team

being on the right track isn’t going to happen with words.

I’m Missouri anymore with the Cubs: Show me or I don’t care.

::grumpy::

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does this mean I need to find another buyer for the ticket to the Cubs game on July 21?

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

I still wanna go. A day in the sunshine and my first trip to the bleachers?

Who cares if its a crappy game? Maybe the Astros will be interesting!

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who cares? Honestly?

Are you going to stop being a fan?

I guarantee you, the first 5 game winning streak in 2011 brings fans back, no matter what happens this year. So what’s the point in empty diatribes?

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 25, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, of course I'm not going to stop being a fan.

But I don’t like the direction the team is taking. And the owner can step in and say something. Anything.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I heard a terrible thing last weekend...

a Sox fan said all owners of the Cubs know that they can only make money with OUR team as losers not winners. It made me sick to my stomach. I really thought I would puke. Is that what you’re saying?

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

If thats only true

its because winning happens so regularly no one knows how to cash in on properly.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

no, of course not

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1 Steinbrenner suceeded with the Yanks

Because he spent money up the wazoo and got needed players. Not because he screamed at them in the media. Actions count, not talking about it.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 25, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 25, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

What will you do if you don't like his moves?

Sorry, Al, I’m really not mocking, but I think you’re over the top on this one. Were you calling for Zell to do something after the Barrett fight?

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 25, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, because Sam Zell was only a placeholder and we knew that.

Tom Ricketts has made a big deal about being a Cubs fan, being involved in the community, making the team a winner, etc.

I’m sure you can see the difference here.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did I say that?

Man, now you’re putting words in my mouth that I never have said.

You’re right, I was never this reactionary. But I have also never seen the franchise in this much turmoil.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see "turmoil"

I see a bad baseball team with frustrated guys and a long summer ahead.

Nothing a quality offseason or two won’t fix. You’ve lasted this long, hang on.

If Ricketts is the guy we think he is, it’ll be fine. If he’s not… well. We’re Cubs fans, we’ll run off that bridge when we get there.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I sure hope you're right.

Because the wheels have appeared to be falling off since he took over.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

they were going to come off

regardless at some point. An old team with a rapidly closing (or closed) window to win, a tight balance sheet to play with while everything settles, an old manager who gave up 2 years ago…

I just can’t get worked up about it anymore. Its not the first awful year I’ve sat through… and knowing history it won’t be last.

But if Ricketts can take something from this year and learn from it, then I’ll keep some hope.

Even it is just my own nature to believe the best in everyone.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Now, this makes a lot of sense.

I don’t think anyone felt the wheels would come off this fast or in this dramatic a fashion.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

They're the Cubs

drama comes with the territory.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man, you got that right.

I’ve seen a lot more of it than you have.

Going to sleep now. Will check this thread out again tomorrow.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Night Al

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

'night, Al.

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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 25, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

We do everything in a big way. If you're going

to be a bear, be a grizzly.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 25, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're falling off because Ricketts took a vacation and Z threw a temper tantrum?

Overreacting to situations is how we got here in the first place and exactly the wrong thing to do would be a knee jerk action. Throwing a hissy fit to match Z in the media isn’t going to help either.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

green!

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

making the team a winner, etc.

Not making a public statement about today or letting Hendry do his job does not preclude this.

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 25, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right.

But as I said above — what would be wrong with a statement SUPPORTING Hendry? Wouldn’t that give the idea that ownership is strong and behind its management?

I never said Ricketts should meddle or make decisions, just be a public presence. There is a difference, I’m sure you can see that.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because if he makes a statement

supporting Hendry now, it’ll either come across as the dreaded “vote of confidence” or mean that he’s actually sticking with him going forward.

I don’t think Ricketts gains anything by making a comment here. Other than support of people who already pay for the product.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

It doesn't have to be a "vote of confidence"....

… all it would have to be is “I’m sorry to have heard of the incident today, and I support the actions Jim Hendry has taken.”

How hard would that be?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

That I'll agree with, Al

I wouldn’t realistically expect Tom Ricketts to begin a total overhaul of the organization until the end of the year. Not because Hendry and Lou deserve that respect, but because it seems the sensible thing to use this whole lost season to read and research all possible candidates for Team President.

But, yes, the type of statement you’re suggesting Ricketts make would certainly help matters.

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

why is that needed?

What does that do? Convince YOU something was done?

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Jun 25, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it matters one bit,

But if you want it , won’t hurt anything. And you can make that statement just as easily from Africa as you can from Chicago. Unless you’re Mark Cuban type where you need to hog the spotlight.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Personally

And I’ve said this many times before, I think it’s time for Jim to go. Thus, as a fan, I’d rather have silence on Ricketts’ end than to make a statement supporting someone who I think has constructed this big ol’ mess.

by shoemile on Jun 25, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

So you're saying he should have realized something like this

was likely to happen? I get that you wanted him to be here to take action with the team, but he didn’t know Z would do something like this. I think you are combining these two desires.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 25, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

So do you want a Mark Cuban type owner or not?

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't, and I've said I don't.

I don’t need Tom Ricketts on Dancing With The Stars, or in the front row yelling at umpires.

I DO want him to be here showing leadership.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

But, Al, maybe he is conducting business in Africa

From personal experience I can tell you that’s very likely. I had a boss who was on a week’s vacation in Israel and she called me at least twice a day to go over revenue projections for the weekly magazine we published.

I know you’ve admitted it’s the perception Ricketts is giving off that has you upset. But honestly, how things appear to you – or me, or the ticket holders, or the beat reporters – means buptkis. You don’t like it personally, that’s fine. But because you don’t like it doesn’t necessarily mean Ricketts is lacking leadership.

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure, he can do business in Africa.

It’s a perception on my part — never said anything else.

It ought to mean something if season ticket holders — the best paying customers — are upset.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

YES.

Thank you. Freaking out about this vacation is one of the oddest obsessions i’ve seen on BCB.

As i said last weekend, i can video chat with my dad over in Morocco at damn near any time i wish. Other side of the world, full quality, full screen video. I can even loop by little brother in on split screen. So the perception that Ricketts is over there hanging out in the bush ignorant of what is going on is silly. He’s got enough money to have the means to reach out and communicate with anybody he wants at anytime he wants, no matter where he is.

If he wanted to make a statement, he’d call WGN. If he wants Z traded, he certainly has the means to let Hendry know. We can not forget that the Cubs aren’t the ONLY business venture this family owns – just the one WE think is most important.

Just because we’d prefer they take their vacations in the offseason doesn’t mean the offseason is the most sensible time for them to do so, and just because they aren’t physically here in chicago doesn’t mean they have the means to manage the team.

Look, things aren’t good. But Ricketts isn’t Mark Cuban, and Mark Cuban isn’t what we wanted. There isn’t an easy answer for this team’s problems, and Ricketts sitting down with some media talking head might make some of us feel better, but likely wouldn’t accomplish much from a practical perspective.

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.

by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2010 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know about "we" but Mark Cuban is what I wanted...

I’m happy enough with the Ricketts clan, but would have been fine with Cuban as well. Probably would have been fine with the Wolves guy too (Don somebody?). Basically ABC – Anyone But Canning.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 26, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like Cuban...

… but i think that is a generational thing… i get why guys my age appreciate him and those older than us don’t.

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.

by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

There are plenty of people my age who like Mark Cuban...

…. who happens to be close to my age, incidentally.

I am just not one of them.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's his age...

… as much as the brash “new internet money” way of running things.

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.

by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

On that, I will agree with you.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

All I want is one statement.

To call it an “obsession” completely overstates my position.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

You've accused Jessica of being obsessed...

… for taking a similar level of interest in something of dubious importance.

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.

by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hardly.

I made a simple statement. Others here elevated it and claimed I was “obsessed” with it. I felt I had to respond, given that it’s my site, rather than just leave that alone.

It’s not an obsession. It’s a simple desire to see a small level of public involvement from someone who has had a fairly high public profile up to now.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ricketts had been critcized

earlier this year for being a little too visible. So maybe part of the reason for going on safari to begin with was in response to these critics?

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 26, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Doubt it.

You can’t just take off on a trip like that. It had to have been planned long ago.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually with money

you can do anything within almost any timeframe these days.

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Jun 26, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

really no it shouldn't

sorry Al but to me this is about the worst argument I’ve heard. Season ticket holders being upset so the owner should change? There is a wait list give up your tix someone else will follow.

WE ARE ALL PISSED THIS TEAM SUCKS some of us have known that this was going to be a bad year since October 2008. Sorry that you are late to the game about being angry with the direction of the team. Sorry that Z has been not an Ace for awhile, Sorry that Z has been a whiny a$$ baby for awhile, Sorry that Rami is hurt, Sorry that the Cajuns aren’t good, sorry that DP Lee is old, Sorry that Wells is in a soph slump.

I am not sorry that the new owner of the franchise has taken a vacation and left the baseball people in charge.

by KyCubsFan on Jun 25, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

You are getting a bit VERY hyperbolic Al.

Nobody believes this suckage is permanent. You aren’t giving up your season tickets, and nobody who’s been waiting for YEARS to get their hands on some is passing up on the chance.

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.

by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is my personal opinion..

… that him being away like this for a significant length of time, during the middle of “Year 1”, does not give off a perception of being involved.

Yes, I know he has said he’s going to let people do their jobs and hold them accountable.

Now is that time.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right.

I’d like to see Tom Ricketts the Cubs fan who told all of us how much he cared about this franchise, to show it in person. Just one statement. He doesn’t have to be leaning over everyone’s desk 24/7. But one statement, in this moment of crisis, could be a big help.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

And again - would you like your boss criticizing you publicly?

Would you want to work for someone who did that?

As long as Hendry is the GM, let him be the GM.

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 25, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who says Ricketts would have to criticize?

That’s not what I’m saying!

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

You asked this before.

I’m not asking Ricketts to do Hendry’s job. Don’t know where you got that idea.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

so what exactly ARE you asking Ricketts to do?

Just chastise what was admittedly a stupid comment by one of his employees(not even a team employee) and then disappear again?

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Jun 25, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to hear Ricketts say something about that from Africa.

I’ve dealt with the guy, it was wrong and he will not ever do that again. This is something he can easily control and should.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

There's a big difference between "doing your job for you" and backing up your employees

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 26, 2010 5:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

DINGDINGDING!

Winner.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

"moment of crisis"???

A known hothead with a past of history of such antics, blew up in the dugout and ripped into his teammates publicly. Management almost immediately indicated this was unacceptable behavior, and quickly followed up with an indefinite suspension.

Where’s the crisis?

More specifically, where’s the crisis that wasn’t already there?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 25, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Too true.
A known hothead with a past of history of such antics, blew up in the dugout and ripped into his teammates publicly. Management almost immediately indicated this was unacceptable behavior, and quickly followed up with an indefinite suspension.

I’m surprised he got away with the same things over and over. Usually when someone acts like that, they get shunned after a few instances.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm willing to give Ricketts the benefit of the doubt.

However, I’d love to know if George Steinbenner went on vacation during the baseball season.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 26, 2010 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

With the money...

…his family has in the team, I’ll guarantee it’s not disinterest.

The true test of what he feels will come at the end of this season and whether he holds people accountable and hires top notch people like he said he would.

It’s frustrating, but nothing that happens right now is going to make much difference until you can address the core issues. The trade deadline will be an important piece this year, but no real significant change with the organization can happen until the season is over.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jun 26, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

You can't have it both ways Al

You say you don’t want an owner like Cuban “who sticks in nose in everything” but you want Ricketts to stick his nose into this. Maybe this is Ricketts, maybe he isn’t going to “stick his nose in” maybe he’s going to take a family vacation in the middle of the season. I mean, he’s hired people to run the team, he’s letting them run it (badly)

You celebrated the arrival of Ricketts without knowing what kind of owner he was. Maybe he’s a shitty one.

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Jun 25, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

NYB, I agree and disagree with you here.

I do think Al wants it both ways here, reassuring us, “acting like he cares”, and staying around always to monitor the team…and at the same time Ricketts is supposed to manage to stay out of the GM’s business.

But I don’t know why you mention him celebrating the arrival of Ricketts after years of ownership lost at the wheel. A new voice was wanted and sure, no one knows yet if he’s good or bad. And they ain’t gonna know about that by a PR statement to soothe the season ticket holders.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't want him "sticking his nose in everything".

This is a major crisis, worthy of nose-sticking. I trust you can see the difference.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is just another very ominous sign re: Ricketts

He disappears when the team is in freefall and then has his PR guy making comments that treat this disaster as a joke. I start to feel like a fool for taking things so seriously when our owner doesn’t seem to.

Just because Ricketts liked to drink beer in the bleachers when he was younger doesn’t make him a Cub fan.

by bluekoolaide on Jun 25, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a major issue with this comment

To question someone’s fanhood is a terrible thing to do and the basis of your argument is completely shallow and vapid. What one person does to show fanhood is not equal to another person’s. Some people stalk the cubs. Others buy them.

The absolute only way you could ever legitimately question someone’s fanhood is if they openly root for another team. There is no question that the Rickett’s family is a die-hard cubs family.

Some here are expecting them to literally hang onto the Cubs every hit, walk, strike and ball. That’s absolutely unreasonable and ridiculous to ask of them. If you want to do that, great! I do that myself for stretches of time, then I take a mental break. Don’t lecture other people on how to be “good fans”.

This is the first year under this ownership. Give them a few years before you can accurately grade their performance.

by cubsonWGN4ever on Jun 25, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

agree with you on the fanhood comment

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 25, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree on the fanhood comment, too.

I don’t question their fanhood. I do question the leadership.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great recap -

especially ‘lack of fire’ points

by doofusguy on Jun 25, 2010 7:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Zambrano has been a complete, unmitigated disaster for the Cubs this year

He must go, even if the Cubs have to absorb 90% of his salary and get virtually nothing in return. Cut him loose and move on.

When is Late Night?

by Bensa on Jun 25, 2010 7:36 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think he's been that bad

for us to have to pay 90%. He’s virtually a good #4 starter, so paying the team 70% of his salary is the most I would think is reasonable.

Maybe next year is finally our year.

by Unique on Jun 25, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

I’m just saying right now, he isn’t gonna bring much value, especially if GM’s around the league suspect (as they should) that Hendry will be looking to get rid of him. Maybe it’s not 90%, but it’s gonna have to be a big number.

When is Late Night?

by Bensa on Jun 25, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Big number, yeah I agree.

Wrong side of 50%.

Maybe next year is finally our year.

by Unique on Jun 25, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds all true to me.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Statistically, true

But looking to trade someone you’ve suspended indefinitely for behavioral issues makes him worth that much less

by shoemile on Jun 25, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Once again

the Cubs will buy high and sell low. Ugh.

by salparadise23 on Jun 25, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

And that's really it, isn't it?

Look at the contracts we have on this team. Ramirez: huge contract. D-Lee: huge contract. Zambrano: huge contract. Soriano: huge contract. Is there one of these guys that would bring anything close to fair value in the trade market? 80 cents for the dollar? 50? It’s a pretty bleak situation, and unfortunately, the only cure is going to be to ride these contracts out, and that’s gonna take several more years.

When is Late Night?

by Bensa on Jun 25, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

At this point

You just have to hope that Cashner, Castro, and Colvin get playing time and hope that they succeed. A lot of dead weight on this team.

by salparadise23 on Jun 25, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

We have some young talent, and that’s helpful, but our veterans are so overpriced it’s really not funny. Dead weight is pretty much the perfect description.

When is Late Night?

by Bensa on Jun 25, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Team easy to not like

The same thing is happening to this team that happened only 4 or 5 years ago, team just coasting through the season and of course Z having his mental problems.

Bust em up!

by jeff_pico on Jun 25, 2010 7:36 PM CDT reply actions  

I Completely Agree

Aside from the No-Hitter, Z has done nothing but underperform. I for one would be glad to see him go. It won’t cure the team’s beggest problem, the offensive struggles, but enough is enough. Zambrano’s fits are childish and I hope Hendry finds a way to move him.

by Guesswho51 on Jun 25, 2010 7:37 PM CDT reply actions  

He was an All-Star back in 2008

He actually pitched well in the 2007 and 2008 NLDS, but really didn’t get much help from the rest of the team.

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jun 25, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

which reminds me...

I’m taking his no-hitter photo off my iPhone screen

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 25, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll always remember that no-hitter.

One of my favorite baseball memories — perhaps the one and only time Z channeled his energy from first pitch to last into baseball.

If only he could have done that every time out.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

"We'll always have Milwaukee"

Not quite the same…

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm still mad at him for losing Games 1 and 5

back in the 2003 NLCS.

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Game 5, I can forgive.

Beckett was just plain better that day.

"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.

by Goodie1969 on Jun 25, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

But if Z has a modicum of composure in Game 1, we sweep Florida.

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

And the IF brings their gloves

we tie with the Dodgers in 2008 and who knows what happens next.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

"If only he could do that everytime out"

Yeah! If only he were perfect and awesome all the time!

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry but there's only one Ted Lilly

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really agree with you here, except change "every time out" to "most of the time".

We all have our bad days. Z just lets them continue until they harm everyone. Mgmt has coddled him and it’s long past time to end doing that.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

~90 more to go.

Not sure if I can take that many.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

You only have to read 'em.

I have to write ‘em. At least this one had something interesting to write about, even if it’s bad news.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

or maybe just a photo of a roll of toilet paper

save him all that verbiage that really should be Madcaps at this stage of the game.

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 25, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Take a page from TWOP

Just hit the highlights in a single paragraph and call them Weecraps.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's funny, certainly not ha ha funny,

how losing is totally tolerated but Z’s outburst isn’t. I’m not saying that Z’s outburst should be, but as far as embarrassment is concerned, i’m much more embarrassed by the way this team plays and takes losing so easily than I am about Z’s outburst.

The good news is that this is bottom. Only from bottom can real changes be made.

I haven’t said this before, but it’s time for Hendry to go too. Under his direction, the players have gotten way too much discretion. It’s the way that Hendry operates, but that leads to players like Z doing what they did today (this isn’t the first outburst from him or a Cub for that matter) and it makes the players much too comfortable with losing, whicih applies t the rest of this team.

Right now, its a team full of losers and the worst kind of losers – losers that are OK with losing.

by jerry morales rules on Jun 25, 2010 7:41 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Please explain to me how losing is tolerated. Has anyone in the organization said that? Do

you think that anyone is ok with losing? This is a bad team, but you can’t change it in the middle of the season. You have to ride this out and try to get better by replacing some parts and bringing up young guys.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 25, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

What would zero runs in 8 innings tell you?

I recognize there’s nothing to do. You have to ride these losers through 80+ more games. These guys don’t seem to me to have any issues with losing at all. This season is gone for sure from a playoff perspective. There is no hope of that. Though I predict that this team will eventually, when all pressure is off and no one is paying attention, come back a bit and end up with a .450/.475 winning percentage.

That’s what talented losers do, because this team is certainly filled with talent.

by jerry morales rules on Jun 25, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

How do you know that they have no issues with losing? Have you been in the

clubhouse after a game? Just because they lose doesn’t mean they want to. Half of the teams in baseball will finish with a losing record, do all of these players feel this way? What do you want then to do, run around on the field after a game and scream like banshees? This is a bad team. Accept that fact. It’s not because they don’t care or don’t want it bad enough. Their key hitters are having bad years and they can’t score runs. It happens. All of the screaming and yelling won’t cure the fact that Lee and Ramirez aren’t hitting. It’s baseball.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 25, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not that it's just a losing record

This team has serious talent and no heart. Those teams that fall below .500 are, for the most part, not talented. This team is.

I’m sure they don’t want to lose, but they don’t seem all too upset that they do. Just listen to BB when he says “dead-ass” team. Thats what it looks like to me, but when someone like him says it, I think it speaks volumes.

You are right that it’s mostly Lee and Ramirez fault. I’ll argue the same thing. I’’ll also argue that hey are the key people that don’t look all too bothered by consistent losing.

Here’s a prediction … Ramirez will have a bounce back year in 2011 just in time for a new contract – hopefully with someone else.

by jerry morales rules on Jun 25, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

What would you want them to do?

Have screaming matches? Get Milton Bradley to throw bats at them?

That doesn’t make a winning team.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's nothing to do this season

With NTCs and over priced contracts there’s so little to do. You have to ride them out and maybe salvage something in the off season when the deals that need to be done here can be done. .

This is a talented team. I do think that they will win more games from this point on than they will lose, but that’s only because all the pressure is off. We’re at rock bottom.

by jerry morales rules on Jun 25, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Every time I say that

they prove me wrong.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jun 25, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Loud, sustained applause.

Green’ed.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

And yet you claim just about everyday that Lou doesn't care and doesn't want to be here

Which would then mean he doesn’t care about winning either. I guess some body language is allowed to be read and some isn’t.

by shoemile on Jun 25, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's right. It's different for players and managers. When you are managing, it's

important to look like you want to be there, even if you don’t. The manager sets the tone and the players feed off him. Generals always make a point of looking their best and being positive because they know that the men take cues from them. If the manager doesn’t want to be there, then why the hell would the players want to be there.

Managing is about attitude. Bobby Cox is almost 70 years old and people say he is the most energetic member of that team. Lou looks like he wants to be on his back porch with a cocktal.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 25, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

LSA. Green'ed.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Bring me my brown pants!"

punch line to a joke too long to tell here, but has very much to do with WMHG’s description of Generals above.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 25, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heard Bill Engvall tell that joke

when I saw the Blue Collar Comedy Tour.

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

And that's not the point.

The point is that you, Al, and VCF are one hundred percent certain that the players are completely dedicated to winning due to…well, I don’t know what, but apparently we must assured it’s true because we’re not privy to what’s going on inside the clubhouse. Well, the same goes for Lou then.

Your point about the players doing what their manager does, if true, only defeats your point. It proves that they don’t care either.

by shoemile on Jun 25, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would say I agree with you on principle here, and Lou has earned that description.

But he handled today about as well as anyone could. He wouldn’t make excuses for Z and told us it should never be tolerated. He did as much as he really can today.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Word

"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.

by Goodie1969 on Jun 25, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

No one knows

what each player feels. But having perceived this team, they certainly appear not to care as much as many fans do about the urgency of winning. I’ve seen many many players across many sports willing to do whatever it takes to win. Yet we have veterans unwilling to work with a hitting instructor when they are in the midst of a terrible slump. Veterans who are only willing to take 2 games in A ball to recover their stroke. Players who pout when it’s suggested they move someplace else in the order to help the team.

If perception is even close to reality, it’s easy for many fans to suggest they don’t care enough to go the extra mile.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jun 25, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neither you, nor Jose M, have any idea how much this team "wants to win".

For all we know, they couldn’t care less.

I’m shocked it’s taken this long for Z v. Lee — it’s like Matter vs. Antimatter. Insane Over-the-top antics when Dealing with Failure vs. Unwavering Stoicism in the face of Hilarious, Ridiculous Failure.

I’m not even sure which side I’m on here. Z was way out of line, and probably should be moved. But that exact same tantrum, with maybe 25% less intensity, would be within reason – this team DOES need to “wake up.”

And that exact same tantrum is seen on at least half of the sidelines every Sunday in the NFL.

Bottom line – Z needs some time away. But this situation was definitely a strong possibility when we decided to demote Z for basically no reason in April. You mess with the insane bull, you get the horns.

MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown

by D98 on Jun 26, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Its bizarre. That same tirade is something everyone’s seemingly been wanting from Lou (the whole “show some life, is the manager awake” thing)…. but since it was overdone and NOT from Lou its a bad thing?

Who knows. This team is hilariously awful.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 26, 2010 2:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

In all due respect

I’m not the only one saying something like this. BB called them a “dead ass” team. It’s not a stretch from that to question how much they want to win.

And I do not believe that every player in baseball is most concerned with winning. Yes, everyone would rather win than lose but I’m sure there are guys out there that are doing it for themselves or doing it for the money. If that wasn’t the case, you wouldn’t see so many “career years” in contract years.

Speaking of the two players you mentioned, I don’t buy it. Look at Lee physically and over the past few years. He’s in great shape and has always been. I don’t see a degradation in his physical skills and he’s only 35. There’s no reason he should be this bad from a physical standpoint. Maybe his best years are behind him, sure, but not this. It was just last year he was getting MVP votes.

I can’t explain what is going on with Ramirez. I’m sure part of it is injury, but I’m willing to bet that he has a big year next year just in time for a new contract.

by jerry morales rules on Jun 26, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, there was talent.

We are seven years removed from 2003. More playoff losses followed. This team — has had its’ chance. The window…..it has shut. We are thinking about 2003 talent. It’s over. They had their run, and like many other franchises in professional sports — San Jose Sharks, Phoenix Suns, San Diego Chargers — they did not get the job done in the playoffs.

Our blindness to the talent that performed at optimal levels seven years ago keeps us from seeing that this squad, as composed — cannot do it any more.

Obviously, Jim Hendry felt as we did. Hell, there’s talent here! Well, yes. In 2003, not 2010. Big mistake, and it should cost him his job. However, it seemed like a good idea at the time.. In retrospect, it WAS NOT. You just couldn’t add a few players to this squad and hope for the best.

This team, in theory — should reload, not rebuild. Looks like the pooch got screwed since the Cubs didn’t win. The long-term contracts would be easier to endure with 2 World Series titles in the trophy case.

Instead, it’s bubkis. It will probably stay as such until management changes are made.

Excuse me while I continue to celebrate the Stanley Cup.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 26, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Jim Hendry needs to take definitive action, not Tom Ricketts.

And it sure looks like he already has with the indefinite suspension.

Obviously Jim & Tom (and Lou) are going to huddle up and discuss next steps but if Jim is not the public face of whatever happens next, then things really are out of control.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 25, 2010 7:41 PM CDT reply actions  

I think this calls for Ricketts

This circus was built by Hendry. Now put yourself in Ricketts shoes. Soon, Hendry is going to met with him and ask Ricketts to eat millions of Z’s contract to get him off the team. This after Bradley and this before the Soriano deal is discussed.

Don’t underestimate Ricketts’ knowledge and his vision to see what’s coming.

by jerry morales rules on Jun 25, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

so you're envisioning Ricketts stepping up to the podium at a press conference...

…and making some sort of announcement as far as what’s going to happen with/to Z moving forward?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 25, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe

Ricketts has to be involved in this. There’s too much money in play here.

by jerry morales rules on Jun 25, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Ricketts has given his baseball people the final say in baseball decisions — that’s generally a good idea for someone not involved in the business up to now.

But this incident transcends baseball — it calls for the ultimate boss to make a statement.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

That it does.

There are times when you have to stand up and unequivocally declare what kind of organization you run. Letting things like this slide … or go without comment is the sign of a weak leader. I don’t think Ricketts is a weak leader and I’m watching this one very closely to see how he chooses to respond.

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 25, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

100% correct.

Green’ed.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

So what does Hendry do while Ricketts is responding?

Talk about professional emasculation…

This is a baseball matter. Hendry is the GM. Hendry needs to deal with it and already has started to do so. If Ricketts has to say anything above and beyond a few cursory comments, it should be to say Hendry is the GM and is taking care it and I support him 100%. Call that a kiss of death if you like, but again – this is a baseball matter. This is what the guy in charge of your baseball operations does – he takes care of stuff like this.

If Ricketts has to really get involved and make some sort of direction-setting statement about how the Cubs are going to handle this situation, then he might as well announce that Hendry’s been reassigned to other baseball duties.

The owner should not be doing the GM’s job.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 25, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

^THIS^
The owner should not be doing the GM’s job.

by cubsonWGN4ever on Jun 25, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

First of all,

in this situation specifically (we won’t include any others) how is he doing his job wrong? He immediately suspended Zambrano. We don’t know what he’s going to do next.

Second of all, fedup is correct. Firing him and hiring a new one is the owner’s job and the way he should send messages throughout the organization, IMHO.

by cubsonWGN4ever on Jun 25, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

If there’s a problem with Z, Hendry needs to take care of it.

If there’s a problem with Hendry, Ricketts needs to take care of it.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 25, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not zero sum

I’m not advocating Ricketts “do Hendry’s job” nor am I advocating micromanaging. Ricketts can back up Hendry (or whoever) by saying “I support these actions because this is the type of organization I run… etc.” In other words, if merited, to basically say “I got your back.” The organization then comes across as united and focused. The owner’s absence suggests absenteeism and a lack of direction.

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 26, 2010 5:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

You and Al now seem to be advocating Ricketts make a 20 word statement

Is that what you wanted him to do all along? I have no problem with that as it fits into my definition of “cursory comments”.

But it sure seemed like as this whole thing was unfolding, you and Al wanted Ricketts to ride in here on his white horse, grab every microphone in the place and pull an Al Haig (“I’m in charge! I’m in charge!”) – except of course, as owner, Ricketts really could say that. Which to me would have been overkill for the situation, totally stepping on to Hendry’s toes and doing his work for him.

Could we have been in violent agreement all along?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 26, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

In that case, you're both suspended indefinitely.

Al will be back in town after his vacation to make a statement or not.

by Steven Schweickert on Jun 26, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

I’m not on vacation, and I’ve been making lots of statements here.

No one’s asking for toes to be stepped on or an “I’m in charge” statement.

Just something along the lines of:

“I was disappointed to hear about what happened at US Cellular Field during the game on Friday. I believe Jim Hendry did the right thing and I support this action 100%.”

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

good lord, no
you and Al wanted Ricketts to ride in here on his white horse, grab every microphone in the place and pull an Al Haig ("I’m in charge! I’m in charge!")

That’s a wild exaggeration of my position. I agree that would be overkill and just plain bad management. Al can speak for himself, but all I advocate is that he say SOMETHING, however terse it may be.

It’s one thing to let the “baseball guys” do their day-to-day thing, as they should, but when it comes to extreme behavior such as this I believe everyone would benefit from the top guy articulating his vision for a far better club than the dysfunctional one we now have.

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 26, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with Emelie.

My position has been completely misrepresented. All I want is a two-sentence statement, just as I posted above, I’ll repeat it here:

"I was disappointed to hear about what happened at US Cellular Field during the game on Friday. I believe Jim Hendry did the right thing and I support this action 100%."

Simple, direct, supports his GM without the dreaded “vote of confidence”. That’s all.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Amen. That's what he needs to do...not do the GM's job for him.

and that’s the time the owner should be making statements about the GM and team he wants.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

This didn't bother George Steinbrenner

The Yankees have a large trophy case. The Cubs — not so much.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 26, 2010 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

They didn't get that from Steinbrenner acting like a two year old.

They got it from his actions and more money than God.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you misunderstood my comment.

Steibrenner, when he was younger — interjected himself into the team’s antics more times than one could count. if Ricketts would do this, at least once, as soon as possible — I’d be fine with that.

The Cubs have money. It hasn’t been spent wisely. We couldn’t say that if 5 more outs were recorded in 2003. Who knows what would have happned if the Cubs advanced to the World Series. I’d wager we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 26, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interjecting himself into the team's antics I don't think helps.

Making moves does. Guess that just may be a question of how you define interjecting yourself.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did you notice that they started winning consistently when Steinbrenner stopped doing that?

After the 1970’s, they got mediocre/bad for a long time until he no longer was in the day-to-day baseball ops.

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 26, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

THIS.

God, back when bids were going in for the team i was concerned the collective bunch in every bodies panties over the idea of an “involved” owner like Mark Cuban was going to leave us all with a serious case of chaffing.

Now things have gone (quite predictably) wrong, and we want the guy to come charging in, pink slips in one hand and a microphone in the other. Hey, guess what? THAT ISN’T WHO WE’VE GOT. And it wasn’t who we wanted a year ago either.

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.

by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's not what I said, nor is it what I am asking for.

Don’t misrepresent my position.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't get what you are looking for than.

You’ve said repeatedly that you want Lou and Z gone (pink slips) and you want a statement (microphone).

What is it you are looking for? Seriously… i’m not mocking or being a pain here. I want to know what Ricketts could do to make you feel better about this?

I am giving him a pass for being in Africa because i don’t think it impedes his ability to do his job, and i don’t think much he could do would right this ship anyways. I get that you feel differently, and i’m cool with it. I just want to understand what you expect of him.

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.

by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I asked for a simple statement.

Something along the lines of:

“I was disappointed to hear about what happened at US Cellular Field during the game on Friday. I believe Jim Hendry did the right thing and I support this action 100%.”

That’s it. Nothing more.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I suppose i see why that would be a nice gesture...

… but words are pretty empty right now in my book. I don’t think he has the money to start making big changes anyways, and that statement isn’t saying much more than “this sucks, but we’ve gotta deal with it”.

Hearing that won’t make a lot of us fans feel much better.

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.

by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

It would have made me say...

… thanks, Tom, for backing up your GM’s action. And then moved on.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

But Al

This is much bigger than what happened yesterday. If you look at it that box, then, yes, the Ricketts comment you identify would be appropriate.

But the fact is that this Zambrano/Barrett/Bradley circus is to a great extent Hendry’s fault. He brought in all three of those guys and he’s allowed the situations fester until the point of a blowup. Hendry provides much too much deference to players and situations until something like this happens.

Maybe Ricketts does support Hendry 100% in this instance, but If I were Ricketts I’d be reluctant to be seen publicly supporting him.

by jerry morales rules on Jun 26, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not emasculation.

John Henry and various Steinbrenners are “reached for comment” all the time. Just make a statement, and everyone’s happy.

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by D98 on Jun 26, 2010 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah - that'll fix it.

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.

by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

No one's saying that'll "fix" it.

All we are saying is that we’d like a quick, two sentence statement from the owner.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Could be where Culloton comes in

Maybe Ricketts asked him to issue a two-sentence statement on ownership’s behalf. Unfortunately Culloton picked the wrong day to audition for the Chuckle Hut.

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 26, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Culloton needs to stay out of baseball discussions.

The Cubs have media relations and PR people who do that. Culloton’s firm (and he personally) have represented Ricketts in non-baseball matters for a long time. They need to stick to that and shut up about baseball, especially tweeting non-funny “jokes”.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Except when $50M of his money is involved

No organization runs the way you describe it. Every organization has controls and spending limits built into the Accounts Payable process for example. When a $50M liability is being discussed you better damn well believe that it’s going to the top.

I’m not saying that the owner is doing the GM’s job, but he will be involved. There’s much too much money at stake.

by jerry morales rules on Jun 26, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Hendry has suspended Z indefinitely

I’m not sure what other “leadership” is needed. At this point you want what? Ricketts piling on? I have no pity for Zambrano, he brought this on himself, but he’s been sent home. For Ricketts to come out tomorrow and say “We won’t tolerate this and Zambrano should be sent home!” is just…….silly

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Jun 25, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amen.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of course it is

But there’s decisions beyond the suspension that have to be discussed. Can Z come back to the team? If that answer is no, what is done with the $50M left? If that answer is yes, what’s next?

Z’s future with the Cubs is at stake here. It’s not just about the suspension.

by jerry morales rules on Jun 26, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

But those discussions should not take place in public

The next public anouncement should be Zamrano’s reinstatement, longer term suspension, or trade/release.

by ClarkFan on Jun 26, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're right

They should be behind closed doors, but Ricketts will be involved.

by jerry morales rules on Jun 26, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

and whatever

Hendry does should be Ricketts approved, but Ricketts should only speak to it in October when someone is interviewing him about his first season as an owner.

Mr. Rickets that situation with Zambrano against the Sox was a real changing point in this franchise.

“Yes. Yes Sully it was. I spoke to Jim and Lou and we had a lengthy conversation and we decided to do X. It was a decision from the organization and we felt that we just had to react in that manner and we couldn’t allow any one individual to take precedent within this franchise so we made a decision as a group and the baseball people handled it from there. I am a fan but I won’t do anything without the baseball people’s input. However this was a time when the actions transcended the playing field and we had to discuss as a franchise. I am happy with how we handled it and hopefully I don’t have to be involved like this in the future.”

by KyCubsFan on Jun 25, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why wait?

Ricketts has made a number of public statements this year. It would be weird for him to wait until October to talk about something like this.

And as an aside – everyone involved in this trainwreck of a season probably needs to go. From Hendry, to Z, to (sadly) Lee. This team has a complacency problem, and a “not being very good at baseball” problem.

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by D98 on Jun 26, 2010 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

By and large, have his public statements been about baseball operations though?

It seems to me he’s had plenty to say about Wrigley, the marketing, things like the Toyota sign… but little to say about on field matters.

Which is reasonable, i think. These aren’t the players he brought here, nor is it the GM or manager he picked. Back in May, i think we were all pretty cognizant of the fact that Hendry and Lou and this current batch were going to get a year to do their thing while new ownership worked on things like Wrigley and revenue flow, and then depending on how this season went, the team would possibly move in a new direction.

What, were we only OK with that plan if the team was within striking distance of the playoffs? I mean, i get entering every season with hope – its what makes being a baseball fan, and more specifically, a CUBS fan, fun – but nobody thought this particular group of guys was going to tear up the central while Ricketts sold noodle statues.

I fear fans may be loosing track of what we knew we could expect with Ricketts, and with this current roster. This is frustrating, sure – but not surprising. Ownership flipping out, unloading guys for pennies on the dollar, and bringing in a new manager who may or may not help all seems like an awful lot of frivolous wheel spinning just so we can seem like we are “doing something”.

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.

by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm fine with Z being let go, one way or the other

But, I really sort of agree with Brenly. At least someone on the team is showing like they give a rat’s ass. Yeah, maybe it’s not constructive.

I couldn’t believe Bob called the Cubs a “dead ass” team. Did he get that one from Stoney? LOL

by salparadise23 on Jun 25, 2010 7:42 PM CDT reply actions  

its not every day you

Hear dead ass during a game.

by cozmotaylor123 on Jun 25, 2010 7:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I thought people in the game thread were kidding

until I saw the replay when I got home. Maybe Bob wants to be traded? :)

by salparadise23 on Jun 25, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's not the kind of "giving a rat's ass" I want.

Yelling and screaming at Derrek Lee like a four-year-old throwing a tantrum? Yeah, that’ll solve all the problems.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Z never picked his battles

It’s all well and good to show fire and emotion, but really…getting mad at Lee for not fielding a ball that he – and the majority of other first basemen – couldn’t get to?

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah that showing fire argument is silly. Showing fire by complaining after the game to the media

because he cares so much…all right, I’m good. Even telling Lee he should have done better-while hypocritical- ok not so bad. But confronting and yelling at someone to hide your own mistakes is childish and the sign of a coddled bully the mgmt helped create. Z acted exactly wrong with this.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

They played that clip from Brenly

on SportsCenter.

It was fabulous. I wanted to hug him.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't agree with Bob's comments about the team "needing that"

that’s not the important part I took away from his comments.

When a guy who is traveling with the team, and covering the team every day, says that the team is “deadass” and has been for months, that to me is a HUGE indictment of the direction and leadership on this team. The fact that is isn’t even freaking JULY yet and your damn color man is so fed up with the B.S. that he publicly and graphically illustrates that this team is showing no life is the NEW #1 reason to fire both Hendry and Lou

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Jun 25, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

you hit a bull's eye with this one, NYB

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 26, 2010 6:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Competitive fire

usually means pulling your guys together to fight harder as a team. Z did a lot of good things for the Cubs but if he can’t get his act together he certainly doesn’t belong on the team anymore.

2011 can't get here soon enough.

by Castro Por Presidente on Jun 25, 2010 7:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Green'ed.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brilliant!

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Give the man a gold star! LOL!

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 25, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

well played good sir/madam

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not only do I believe Z has played his final game as a Cub....

I think “this will be a day long remembered” to quote Darth Vader. I think today will always be remembered as the day the organization really began backing up the truck. Z’s meltdown was ridiculous, especially when you consider he has been the team’s worst player this year. But it also shed light on the fact that this team is, as Bob Brenly said, on the air I might add, “a dead-ass team”. He’s dead-right. They are dead-ass. There is no other way to describe them, and I think ownership and the front office will realize that starting today, the re-building process begins. In the long run, as strange as this sounds, today may turn out to be a blessing in disguise (very well-disguised), in the it woke up the powers that be about what needs to be done.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Jun 25, 2010 7:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the Cubs with their resources and fan base

should never have to completely " rebuild". They should just retool. But, unfortunately, the guys we need to get rid of have oppressive contracts.

I think we’re in for a bumpy ride and my Cardinals friends will certainly be reminding me of that.

by salparadise23 on Jun 25, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

The problem with retooling

is that you’re probably leaning heavily on the FA market, where there are very few good deals to be had. Bad contracts are why we’re in this mess to start with.

2011 can't get here soon enough.

by Castro Por Presidente on Jun 25, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

But it could start with playing Colvin pretty much everyday and letting Dome be a defensive replacement for the OF. Let’s figure out what we have there for the future.

by salparadise23 on Jun 25, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

You think this is the day they started backing up the truck, I think its the day

the wheels officially fell off the truck. I think we are in for a long period of implosion

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Jun 25, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or at least the day everyone recognized it

The sooner Cubs fans accept the rebuilding process that is coming the better. I don’t expect the Cubs to contend for a number of years. While disappointing, it just means I will direct my energy, emotions and dollars elsewhere for a while. I enjoyed the 2003-2010 era for the most part. While we didn’t make it to a World Series, the team was at least competitive. Now is the time for the team to start over. Hopfully the next era ends in a championship.

by JSB on Jun 26, 2010 12:51 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Bob Brenly was correct about one thing...

’This has been a deadass team for the better part of three months to begin this season…."

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by Gibbon Jockey on Jun 25, 2010 7:44 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

He may be right

but a chicken sh#t thing to say on air none the less.

There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.

by truelinkfence on Jun 25, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm glad Bob said it

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jun 25, 2010 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont see how it helps

Funny for some ..maybe. But not exactly a scoop.

There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.

by truelinkfence on Jun 25, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well I know

I’ve called them much worse at home. :)

by salparadise23 on Jun 25, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we all have :)

There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.

by truelinkfence on Jun 25, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

it doesn't help..or hurt

his job isn’t to help the team, it’s to state his opinion. It was NOT chickenshit to say it. Muffling yourself because you’re afraid someone’s feelings might get hurt is chickenshit in this situation

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Jun 25, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Winner.

Brenly is different from Stone in my opinion. He’s just frustrated by the team’s effort and it’s well deserved. I don’t think it’s been self serving yet imo.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Me too

I appreciate the truth over rose-colored glasses.

2011 can't get here soon enough.

by Castro Por Presidente on Jun 25, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

truth

We all know it. Just adding another elephant to the circus IMHO.

There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.

by truelinkfence on Jun 25, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree, Bob's not a company man and calls it as it is. We're lucky to have him.

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 25, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Totally agree

This play is beyond the pale. I have no issues with BB saying that.

by jerry morales rules on Jun 25, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gotta agree that

Bob was right . Something has to change and fast !!

by cubs north on Jun 25, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

You don't think he's say that

privately to any of the Cubs players?

I’d bet he might.

"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.

by Goodie1969 on Jun 25, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

*he’d say that

"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.

by Goodie1969 on Jun 25, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

And you know that....why?

I would love to know your insight in to Bob Brenly’s mind.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 26, 2010 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...anything is possible, that he might is just trying to start rumors.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

If so.. Good

And thats where it should stay.

There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.

by truelinkfence on Jun 25, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay, I have no problem with that position.

I’m just saying if he’d say it to their faces, it isn’t really “chicken sh#t,” that’s all.

"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.

by Goodie1969 on Jun 25, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

chicken sh#t thing to say on air??

are you out of your mind? that takes guts to say when it’s your job to call the game through rose-colored lenses. i’m glad brenly did it

by mic on Jun 25, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

see above

Goodie has it right how I see it.

There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.

by truelinkfence on Jun 25, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just don't think it's chicken sh#t.

I think it’s a bold statement to make in front of your employers. And it makes me want to watch because at least I know someone in the organization knows how awful this is.

by mic on Jun 25, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

its careless

to me. And I understand where you are coming from. There is no doubt that it takes some nads to say what he said. I just hate to see more drama in this crazy season.

There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.

by truelinkfence on Jun 25, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

correct

amen and amen. Brenly was right on. And it isn’t chicken-s*** to say something on national TV when your employers are listening. I’m sure he’d be happy to go down to the dugout and say it himself.

by Krug on Jun 25, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's Comcast.

Only Chicago and those on EI heard it. Not the same impact as if it was on WGN.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 26, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

they snipped a handful of bob's lines

and played them on sportscenter.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 26, 2010 2:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm 2004 all over again?

Does someone on this team take offense to Brenly’s comment and there’s another Mercker/Stone moment?

by JimAnchower on Jun 25, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

BB's mustache will impale whoever takes offense to it

"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.

by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

its completely true

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Jun 25, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

True or not...

… yelling and screaming like a little child at one of your teammates in the dugout — for no good reason, after YOU were the one who gave up the runs — isn’t the solution.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think DC was referring to Bremly's "dead ass" statement

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 25, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough, but...

… I’m going to respectfully disagree with Bob if he thinks throwing a tantrum in the dugout is the right kind of “fire”.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

on that half of the statement you and I totally agree

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 25, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I thought it was absurd that people were comparing this year's team

to the 2004 squad in the “unlikable” category, but it looks like I was wrong. This team is getting up there.

by shoemile on Jun 25, 2010 7:47 PM CDT reply actions  

The '04 squad won more games than the '03 squad

This team is much worse than that. It’s near as talented as that team was with much less wins.

by jerry morales rules on Jun 25, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not talking about talent or record

Just how much I enjoy watching the team. And stupid crap like this, just like Kent Mercker, among others, in 04, makes this team very unlikable. The 06 team sucked, but I didn’t dislike them. I just thought they were bad.

by shoemile on Jun 25, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dislike them because they are losers

Talented losers. ‘04 just didn’t win enough. Yes, ’06 was just bad.

by jerry morales rules on Jun 25, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

at least that team was lights years better than this squad

on the field.

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Jun 25, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where was the indignation

and suspension when Z threw punches at Barrett? Z has been coddled all these years and now we’re shocked. I wonder what would have been done if his record was 12-4 this year?

The leadership of this organization has created a monster and now the monster is eating the good guys. Surprised?

Good bye Hendry and Lou and anyone else acting as if they didn’t help create the problem. It’s time to recognize that this season is over along with the future of numerous Cub vets that aren’t getting it done.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jun 25, 2010 7:49 PM CDT reply actions  

If Z was 12-4?

I’ll tell what would be going on right now. The Cubs P.R. department would be putting the finishing touches on Z’s apology, and would be calling him to let him know to be in Lou’s office at 8:00am for dress rehearsal.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Jun 25, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amen. Coddled is 100% accurate. We've created this monster and tolerated it like a Hanley.

I just hope they follow through for once after today. They handled today (only) about as well as they could.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure that isn't the proper course to take RIGHT NOW.

What is the value to be gained in suspending Z with pay and making public statements about how outlandish Z acted? We’re trying to ditch the guy.

There is value to be gained in closing ranks and getting the stories straight. A well-run organization would have all of the principal parties on TV tonight talking about how much they all want to win and how their emotions get the best of them because this season has fallen behind their expectations.

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by D98 on Jun 26, 2010 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

fool me once, shame on you

fool me five times…

"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.

by jesus christos on Jun 26, 2010 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

What do we possibly gain by carpet-bombing Z's value?

When this happened, Z should have been exiled to the end of the bench, so that some heads could cool.

After the game, there should have been a closed-door meeting.

After the meeting, everyone involved should have made the blandest statements imaginable to the press about how it has been a trying season and our emotions are getting the best of us, and Z is a more emotional guy than most.

Hendry or Lou could have said something vague along the lines of “Oh, he’ll be punished. But that’s a team matter.”

Instead, we have our GM, who will presumably be trying to trade Z, literally say that a team is better playing with 24 men than playing with Z. Hendry would be an awesome poker player.

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by D98 on Jun 26, 2010 2:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's a pattern with Hendry.

Sosa stepped out of line, so Hendry announced that we were trying to trade him, badmouthed him in the press, and released video of Sosa leaving a game early. For absolutely no reason.

MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown

by D98 on Jun 26, 2010 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

We can want two things, right?

I want Hendry fired and I want to get the highest possible return for Z.

As such, the last thing I want is Jim Hendry on TV as the Cubs GM talking about how Z is a total cancer and a must be suspended.

MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown

by D98 on Jun 26, 2010 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

z's trade value wasnt exactly that high to begin with

"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.

by jesus christos on Jun 26, 2010 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, may as well set whatever's left on fire.

Well-run organizations get their sh*t straight and start damage control in situations like this.

Our General Manager runs for the gas can.

MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown

by D98 on Jun 26, 2010 2:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I had plenty of indignation back then.

In fact, I’ve hated the guy ever since. But I didn’t know about BCB back then, and I doubt it would have been tolerated if I’d stuck up for Barrett back then anyway.

I was a huge fan of Michael Barrett, and I’ll always believe Zambrano directly agitated to have him traded.

by owllover711 on Jun 26, 2010 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not trying to make a comparison...

But this is exactly how I felt in 2007 after that disastrous Lou tirade game and especially after the Z/Barrett fight. Team spiraling out of control and hitting rock bottom. I just don’t think this team is good enough to make that kind of a run.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jun 25, 2010 7:53 PM CDT reply actions  

And the Cardinals

are much better than Milwaukee was in 2007 as well.

"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.

by Goodie1969 on Jun 25, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry Al, but I'm with Bob Brenly.

Maybe they both are in the wrong. But I like to see some life. I really don’t think Derrek Lee cares out there, and I don’t care that he is the “nicest guy to wear a Cubs uniform.” He’s supposed to be the best player on this team and he isn’t showing any signs of life. Of course the same can/should be said for Zambrano. But today showed me that he at least cares enough to do something about it.

by mic on Jun 25, 2010 7:55 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Sorry.

This isn’t the kind of “life” that helps a team.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neither is the "life"

Derrek Lee and Aramis Ramirez demonstrate going to help.

by mic on Jun 25, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

The "life" you see is failure on the field.

That happens all the time, to every team, even good ones look bad from time to time.

What do you want? Tirades every day? Screaming and yelling from the manager? Baseball isn’t football or basketball, where players do this.

“Fire” of the kind you’re talking about is what got us Bradley. And likely gets us stuck with Z.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lol no no no.

I want to see Derrek Lee and Aramis Ramirez getting their a**es kicked (figuratively) because they are putting in pitiful effort. And I honestly don’t think anybody probably has the guts to tell them because of seniority/salary. Since day one, we haven’t seen any changes in these players or signs of hope. Somethings gotta give. Something needed to happen. At least Zambrano isn’t saying “What do you want me to do?” He did something!

by mic on Jun 25, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's assuming Lee was loafing on Pierre's hit

Lee had no chance to field that ball.

And if Z had issues with Lee before today’s game, then he should have addressed the matter in the clubhouse. Don’t wait until something happens on the field to throw a tantrum.

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess my position is:

They both suck and are wildly overpaid. I don’t really want to stick up for either one of them. I just want something to happen.

by mic on Jun 25, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

On that we are in total agreement

And by ST next March, both will be gone.

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Acting like a two year old is only trying to shift blame a la Bradley.

You can show “fire” in many other ways. There’s no room for this kind of “fire” in a team as Lou pointed out well. All it does is destroy the team.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe not

but they kind they’ve tried so far hasn’t done anything either.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd only disagree with you here that Lee is supposed to be the best player on the team.

A star yes. But expectations of his performance are usually shown with salary.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

anyone have the videos

Of Z going off on reporters?

by cozmotaylor123 on Jun 25, 2010 7:55 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Nothing yet

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll betcha if 5 doesn't run it one of the camera folk with find a way to leak it

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 25, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've got a vide of the meltdown,

However, it has the Sox announcers.

So I won’t post it here.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

The bullpen one?

You can hear L&B here.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure BB is right on his assessment, aside from the dead-ass remark.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm...glad to hear that. I think BB just needed to clarify that "fire" was wrong,

But some kind of it was needed. I’ll give him a pass on this one…it’s tough to organize your thoughts well commenting during a moment. He’s right that some enthusiasm and fire is needed…just not what Z did.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well said. I wonder what--or if--he will say anything about it during the Cubs' next broadcast.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 26, 2010 6:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

He. Has. To Go.

I’ve had enough and Al, you are right on. Hendry did not mince words, this is not to be tolerated and the proper thing happened. I’m tired of 18 million dollars of crap acting like this. Professional athletes are supposed to be PROFESSIONAL! I’ve had it, trade his ass and never look back. Send him to Seattle so no one sees him again.

Last rant. I am so proud to have Derek Lee on our team. He’s all class and I don’t know he didn’t pop Z in the nose. I’ll take a team of DLee’s, at least I could sleep easy at night.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Jun 25, 2010 7:55 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Good one, I forgot about that. Not sure how he held back today.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Jun 25, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was held back

By Lou

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lol, I remember that.

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jun 25, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec for the Lee comments

There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.

by truelinkfence on Jun 25, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

And you could read D-Lee's lips on the video.

He said, “That’s bullshit” to Z. Three times.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lee left no question

as to who the leader of the clubhouse is.

There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.

by truelinkfence on Jun 25, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure he'll have a sleepless night knowing you don't approve of

his leadership qualities.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 25, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lol I simply don't understand those kinds of comments.

The ones where you get criticized for saying something because a player wouldn’t care that you said that. Don’t you think I f*cking know that?

I know that players don’t care what we think. And I don’t really care about them too much either. But I care enough to come to this blog. And if there is a place where I can make a comment like that, it’s a Chicago Cubs Fan Blog. So…

In the immortal words of our fearless leader: “STFU.”

by mic on Jun 25, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

You "STFU". I don't happen to agree with your assessment of Lee's leadership qualities and

I expressed that by saying I’m sure it doesn’t bother him. You are entitled to your opinions and so am I. I come to this blog for the exact same reasons you do and if I express an opinion there is always a chance that somebody else will disagree with it. That’s a fact you have to live with.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 25, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

It had absolutely no value to the discussion.

Do you really think any of these players give a sh*t what we say on here? No. So should we just not say it? No. So shut up.

by mic on Jun 25, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look. You can stop telling me to shut up anytime. I can damn well express my opinion

any way I want to. If I want express by making a smartass comment, I’ll do it and sure as hell don’t need you to tell me that. You said Lee was a shitty leader. When you make a comment as emphatic as that, be prepared for some blowback. I never said you weren’t entiled to express your opinion, in fact I welcome it. Just don’t expect me to blindly accept it.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 25, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

What point are you trying to make?

The point you should have made was following this: “I don’t happen to agree with your assessment of Lee’s leadership qualities.” That’s something I could have debated—if you had followed it with anything. But the only thing you said was that Derrek Lee wouldn’t lose sleep over what I said. So say whatever you want. But if it’s dumb—and it was—then I’m just as entitled to respond.

by mic on Jun 25, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not trying to make any point. Your contention was that

Lee was a poor leader and I disagreed with that. Obviously, you didn’t appreciate the way I express that. That’s fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Telling me to shut up and calling my comment dumb doesn’t advance the discussion at all. If you want to have a discusion, fine. Let’s be civil about it.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 26, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

They are unproductive comments best left ignored.

“Oh yeah, well what you say on the internet has no real bearing on what happens!”

Cool story, bro. You win – perhaps i’ll slink away and go play Jenga with my fish now.

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.

by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

and a shut the F up

I didn’t think D LEE was a cusser !!

by cozmotaylor123 on Jun 25, 2010 8:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I didn't read it as STFU

Looked like “that’s bullshit”. Three times.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

He throws out a couple of STFUs

Before the BS calls.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah I saw STFU too

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

me too

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jun 25, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, Sue.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 25, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hi Willie.

How are things with you?

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jun 25, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aside from the Cubs, I'm doing fine. You?

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Been better. Fell today

and twisted my ankel, wrist and tore off two toenails. :-(

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jun 25, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ouch.

Hope you feel better soon.

I’m going to be doing a mountain hike on Sunday. Expect pictures.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jun 25, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, Sue. Long time no hear. Sorry to hear you got banged up. I'm

sure you will bounce back. The great ones know how to play with pain. Hang in there!

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 25, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks Willie. ;-)

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jun 25, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man sorry to hear that.

Hope you heal fast :)

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks set

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jun 26, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hope you heal quickly!

take care!

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks Allie

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jun 25, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

ooh ow ooh

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 25, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

gosh, hope you get better...ouch is right

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks cg

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jun 25, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry to hear about that Sue

did you run into Zambrano today?

by LT on Jun 25, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

No but if I had I

would have told him to grow the hell up.

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jun 25, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

I’d pay to see that. Just what he deserves.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 2:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I guess we'll have to put you on the 15 day DL

And next week, we’ll send you to Iowa for a rehab assignment – oh wait, you’re already there. Hmmm….

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 25, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tennessee then?

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I sure hope this doesn't

take 15 days.

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jun 25, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're gonna need some time to rehab

Get back in major-league form. Think of what it’ll be like to be with the kids who still play for the joy of it.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sue, is it OK if I boo Zambrano?

:-p

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have at it.

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jun 25, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

you KNOW I was kiddin' ya

I hope so anyways

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

the castro boobird face kicking club approves

"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.

by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yikes

MIssed that yesterday. Sorry to hear it.

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 26, 2010 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks SB.

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jun 26, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ya he does.

After watching that video again… it doesn’t look like Z is yelling at anybody in particular. It sorta looks like is trying to pump the team up or something. I’m not sure we can say that it was directed at Lee for not getting that ball. Lee was just the first one who spoke up…with a really great choice of words “STFU”

by mic on Jun 25, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, that's what it looked like in the videos I saw, too.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure at some point Z said something out of line..

but I don’t think it looks like he is blaming everyone else. I just think he wanted to get something started.

by mic on Jun 25, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I couldn't disagree more.

He was just being a big baby. Get what started? Everyone yelling and screaming and throwing tantrums? That isn’t winning baseball.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neither is "we'll get 'em tomorrow"

stoic or whatever they’ve been doing.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about "We lost, I'm going home to blow my brains out."?

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 25, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't have the answer.

But I do know that throwing tantrums isn’t it.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

So honestly "What do you want them to do?"

You’ve made fun of Lou for saying it enough. Answer it.

by mic on Jun 25, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Clearly, new players are needed.

These guys aren’t doing it.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

So at what point did that become "clear"?

Because I thought it was Lou’s fault for the longest time.

by mic on Jun 25, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, I am not being paid $4 million to manage this team.

You get me that job and pay me that, I think I’d have some answers.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough, since you're trolling.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

You got that right.

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jun 25, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trolling?

You can’t admit you are wrong.

by mic on Jun 25, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looked like he was just pissed and yelling

at the world in general, to me.

Then he apparently said something that went over a line and Lee told him to STFU.

Then it just dissolved into more stupid.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Take a look just as Lee gets Z's attention

The guy he’s screaming at is Rami – you can just see his head and jersey come into the shot as Z is turning around.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

If that's true....

… even more gutless.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ramirez made plenty of half-assed attempts today.

If it’s directed at Rami, then so be it. It’s not “gutless.” I don’t even know what that means to call it “gutless.”

by mic on Jun 25, 2010 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only "half-assed" attempt that Z could have been mad about

Was the bunt pop-up that fell foul between Rami, Soto, and Z himself. Zambrano wasn’t in the game to see the rest of them.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right so maybe Z was just predicting the half-assing.

Which isn’t hard to do, since Ramirez has been doing it all season.

by mic on Jun 25, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

You have no idea what Z is saying

and to whom he is saying it too. Looked like it could have been directed to all in the dugout.

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jun 25, 2010 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I might

See below

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

As Z entered the dugout

he passed by Lee as he was screaming. I assume he threw a shout out to Lee that suggested he was unhappy with his Gold Glove performance in the inning. Z kept screaming as he walked away from Lee but apparently Lee threw a shout out back to Z. That’s when Carlos went towards Lee and realized it wasn’t Barrett and allowed himself to be restrained.

Good theater. I just wish the team showed that degree of energy on the field.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jun 25, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again, it is a mistake to think that tantrums in the dugout...

… would equate to energy on the field. A baseball team just does not work that way.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I never said they did

But tantrums do take energy. The Cubs have shown precious energy of the field. That’s the linkage…degree of energy.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jun 25, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, you're definitely right there.

That said, this team has given “do nothing and hope it gets better tomorrow” a solid 15 months to fail, with pretty conclusive results.

I don’t dispute that Z was ridiculously over the line. I do, however, think that going slightly over that line was probably called for.

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by D98 on Jun 26, 2010 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe privately, in a clubhouse players only meeting.

Not in view of TV cameras.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

The first thing he yells is VERY CLEARLY

STFU. Then he lapses into “that’s bullshit”

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Jun 26, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

the video clip shown on ESPN Baseball Tonight

blanked out both Z’s and Lee’s lips. Guess their producers/censors felt you didn’t need to be a lip reader to figure out what they were shouting.

by JFCubFan on Jun 25, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh jeeeeeez

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

And no video clip in the parking lot, either.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow! Just when I think

things can’t get worse…..they can. Glad I’m on pain killers. :-(

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jun 25, 2010 7:55 PM CDT reply actions  

As a lifelong Cub fan, I have learned to never say things can't get worse.

So many times, every time I think I’ve hit rock bottom, someone always throws me a shovel.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Jun 25, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed

I remember saying that in 1997 when they started 0-10. They still lost the next 4 games. :)

by salparadise23 on Jun 25, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did you bring enough to share with the rest of the class?

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jun 25, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

me want one too

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I plan on using every one of them. :P

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jun 25, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I plan on keeping my Queensryche tickets

Don’t ask about the relevance.

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jun 25, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

The good news is that this the bottom

The re-building starts from here. That won’t help this year though.

by jerry morales rules on Jun 25, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

did the doc prescribe

them because of the kirk trade? :)

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jun 25, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

No. I fell today.

I’m fine with the trade. :P

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jun 25, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh no, Sue. I'm so sorry!

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 25, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks Em.

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jun 25, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Saw Z Meltdown in 03 at

Cincinnati and Dusty tried to reason with him . Nothing seems to have changed since then . Seven year later he is acting up again . Let him have dinner with Ozzie then . Maybe Ozzie can find a team for him . But just who can pay his salary ????

by cubs north on Jun 25, 2010 7:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Screw Lou's dignity, he needs to go.

Sorry I know the guy had a long career in the bigs, but this garbage cannot go on any longer.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jun 25, 2010 7:58 PM CDT reply actions  

There are greater implications.

These dudes are friends. You usher one respected guy out unceremoniously, and the next may not be inclined to come here.

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.

by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Man, Brenly condoned Z's behavior and the Cubs suspended Z.

I sure hope Brenly’s job isn’t in jeopardy. One less reason to watch.

by mic on Jun 25, 2010 8:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Too early, really

No team is really going to consider Z unless we eat almost the whole contract.

by salparadise23 on Jun 25, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm game.

Pass the steak sauce, please.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on Jun 25, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will eat them

with some farva beans and a nice Chianti.

by salparadise23 on Jun 25, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will eat them with a mouse, I will eat them in a house

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't it a much better plan to CLOSE RANKS AND GET THIS STORY UNDER CONTROL?

How difficult would it be to have a closed-door meeting, followed by statements from Z, Lee, Lou and Hendry that emotions can run wild sometimes – especially when we’re doing so much worse than we’d hoped – and Z has apologized and will be talking to his therapist and everyone is happy now?

BAM! Crisis over, some modicum of Z trade value saved.

Instead, we start our typical Hendry campaign of “Destroy the Player We Hope to Trade In the Media”. Awesome.

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by D98 on Jun 26, 2010 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

While there's merit in damage control for sure,

No one on this planet is going to buy for a second everyone is happy now and that ends the problem. I don’t think getting Z to apologize today was possible, and further, the best thing to do today was keep him away from any microphones until he cools down. Couple hours would not be enough.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 2:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be asking for an apology.

I’d want every player, Hendry and Lou in front of microphones after a closed door meeting saying things like “no, I’m not going to talk about what was said”, and “obviously, everyone is frustrated.” At least give the impression that the team has some control.

MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown

by D98 on Jun 26, 2010 2:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Hendry took it upon himself

to be the one showing “fire” and “emotion” and thus suspended Zambrano. And maybe Brenly’s “dead-ass” comment over the airwaves was the last straw for Jim.

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 26, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

If another team wants him

They’ll just wait for him to be released.

by JimAnchower on Jun 25, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right

That’s why I expect an apology from Z, an “Oh that’s OK” from the players (cause they really couldn’t care less anyway), and some semblance of normalcy from here on out.

Next is Z’s waiver of his NTC protection.

by jerry morales rules on Jun 25, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

id prefer thats the cubs dont release him

because the cards will probably pick him up and dave duncan will become z’s shrink and z will start pitching to his potential

damn you dave duncan

"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.

by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

However Tony L wont

put up with Z’s attitude . He would have to walk the narrow plank. Not sure if Z can do that right now.

by cubs north on Jun 25, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats where dave d comes in

"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.

by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

if he were winning and got to bat

i think he could do it.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 26, 2010 2:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hate this team.

What a freaking joke. I honestly expect them to lose every day. I downgraded my cable package because I don’t even care about watching the rest of the games this year. I have tickets for a game in September and I already don’t want to go.

Last time I buy tickets in advance or any type of ticket package for this team. At this point I just hope they completely crash and burn so this site at least continues to entertain me.

Is BLou still around? Hey – you were right.

by JimboJet on Jun 25, 2010 8:07 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah, he was

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

So...can I have your september ticket? :P

A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!

by Azul Cachorro on Jun 25, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aw. Not old enough to join in the fun. xD

A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!

by Azul Cachorro on Jun 25, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

BLou shold be allowed to run this site for a week

everything he said is turning out to be true.

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Jun 25, 2010 8:09 PM CDT reply actions  

I wouldnt go that far!

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

the 70 wins this team is headed for.

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Jun 25, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lol right.

I think they fall further downhill. 70 wins might be too good.

by mic on Jun 25, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

100 wins for the Cards

Cards running away with the division. Alcides Escobar breaking out and becoming one of the best players in the league. You predict enough stuff, something is bound to be right.

by rlpete on Jun 25, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

i believe he also said the cubs will have a similar win/loss record with the nats

id take that

"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.

by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2010 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Egon said

crossing the streams was bad….

by salparadise23 on Jun 25, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

BRING BACK BLOU! xD

A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!

by Azul Cachorro on Jun 25, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was prophetic.

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jun 25, 2010 8:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

HUSH YOUR MOUTH!

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 25, 2010 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

He can start his own blog

Bleed Cubbie BLou

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd be a subscriber!

Come back BLou and take your bows!!

by bluekoolaide on Jun 25, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

fugly accolade

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 25, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't give him that credit.

First off, nobody was delusional enough to think this team was going to go all 2008, win 100 games, and tear through October, yet we still did the Cubs dance – at the beginning of the season, most Cubs fans have HOPE. BLou doesn’t, and it bugs him to no end that other fans out there haven’t become as miserable as he is. Giving the guy credit for predicting this team wouldn’t be good is basically giving him credit for refusing to participate in the fun “maybe next year” and “there is some hope” and “mathematically we’ve gotta win one sometime” games Cubs fans play every year. He may not find that song and dance cute, but his perpetual pessimism hardly warrants accolades either.

Second, he’s made plenty of predictions that turned out to be quite off base, which is what tends to happen when you beat your chest and exclaim things just to get some attention. He thought Bradley would be good, and Silva would be shit, for example. He can’t see the future, and frankly i don’t think he’s got his finger on the pulse of this team any better than anybody else here – this particular season just happens to match his wet dream of a perfect storm implosion. Chances are, when the team finally IS good and does make that World Series run we’ve all dreamed of, he’ll be the one in April declaring that everything is bad and we are a bunch of assholes for having some hope.

And lastly, he’s an ignorant, rude, angry individual with little in the way of the social skills required to admin a community like BCB. Even if you don’t agree with what Al says, at least he steers this bitch with an even hand and a fair mind.

BLou is better off where he is – banned from BCB and off yelling at his wife or kicking his dog somewhere.

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.

by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

So many empty words have never been spoken.

Commenting on BLou—boring.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Jun 26, 2010 11:13 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Good to see you too.

And how would we have known you were bored if you hadn’t stopped by to let us know?

I, personally, feel relived that it’s cleared up.

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.

by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've never understood the angst so many people on BCB feel towards this man.

It’s the internet—you can move on, scroll down, or click away.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Jun 28, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great recap Al

Lee is a great guy. I believe that from what I’ve read about him. And I believe that from people I know who’ve met him personally. I respect the man. Even though Lee wears a Cubs uniform, I do NOT root against him (except of course when he plays against the Sox). I stand fully in support of Lee here.

IMHO it’s really sad about Zambrano. All that talent. All that ability. Playing a game that I love and acting routinely like such an ass.

I hope Zambrano gets help. Turns himself personally and professionally around. If he does that and does that even in a Cubs uniform I’ll gladly cheer the man.

Honestly though, Zambrano get some help for yourself.

"In time you can turn these obsessions into careers...Hurry Down Doomsday the bugs are taking over." - Elvis Costello

by DrCrawdad on Jun 25, 2010 8:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Speak for yourself

The good Dr is not saying anything here that we haven’t said ourselves, either about [name redacted] or even Z today.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

no u

A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!

by Azul Cachorro on Jun 25, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's nothing in that post that is even close to Trollish.

Nice try.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

He only shows

up when the Cubs do something stupid or bad.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jun 25, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

That may be the case in many of his posts.

This one, however, does not fit into that category.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Patently untrue

He stops by periodically through the season, and I’m usually glad when he does. He brings an outside perspective to the team that I appreciate.

He just takes the other side in Fan Wars – I suggest not engaging in those with him.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be honest,

I actually like it when fans of other teams join in the conversation (so long as they’re not trolls). It provides a perspective we wouldn’t otherwise have if it were only Cubs fans on BCB.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Rec’d.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Funny...

… and I’ve haven’t posted much at all here the last few months.

"In time you can turn these obsessions into careers...Hurry Down Doomsday the bugs are taking over." - Elvis Costello

by DrCrawdad on Jun 25, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hell

who has that much time on their hands?

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jun 25, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hell

who has that much time on their hands?

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jun 25, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

BLou used to.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was a

low Blou.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jun 25, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's pretty much correct.

He usually shows up when the Sox embarrass the Cubs.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 26, 2010 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Knock it off, tomas.

Crawdad is a good guy — though he roots for the Sox, I have nothing against him personally, and he does know baseball.

And he’s 100% right about this.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's not a good guy.

At least not here. He just comes to gloat whenever there’s an opportunity.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jun 25, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is hardly gloating.

Back off.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

My mere presence is apparently gloating to "tomas21"

Let’s recap, I stated that I …

  • Respect and admire Lee
  • Refrain from rooting against Lee
  • Hope that Zambrano gets well
  • Feel sadness for Zambrano
  • Then does well with the Cubs

How trollish of me.

"In time you can turn these obsessions into careers...Hurry Down Doomsday the bugs are taking over." - Elvis Costello

by DrCrawdad on Jun 25, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Note that several of us are saying it is not trolling.

I appreciate it when you come over here to offer outside perspective on the Cubs.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

You added to the discussion here. tomas21 was out of line.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

at least he didn’t use the word “cubbies” several times

User..name..in..tatters

by TheRamZamDLEE on Jun 25, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

if that had the impression of being “against” Al’s comments. I noticed (and appreciate) the many comments in support of my post here in this thread.

I was trying to recap what I said for “tomas21”.

One other thing…clearly Zambrano is an emotional guy. I’m fine with that, within reason. From what I understand off the field he’s a great guy. I hope the guy gets help, and does exceedingly well as a person and as a baseball player. I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that he’s now very down. I hope with all my heart that he uses that emotional energy to get things turned around and NOT to do anything bad to himself. In the end he yelled and lost it on a fellow team member. I hope life goes on for him, and even more fully.

"In time you can turn these obsessions into careers...Hurry Down Doomsday the bugs are taking over." - Elvis Costello

by DrCrawdad on Jun 25, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

You don't have to worry.

I certainly didn’t see it that way.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the Cubs were playing the Pirates

you wouldn’t be here. Please admit that. You are here to gloat, and it’s covered with this ‘oh so sensitive’ BS.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 26, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

If I had come here ...

… when the Cubs played the Pirates this year, you’d have said I was here to gloat.

"In time you can turn these obsessions into careers...Hurry Down Doomsday the bugs are taking over." - Elvis Costello

by DrCrawdad on Jun 26, 2010 7:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with Crawdad here.

I don’t see any gloating.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

what the hell is wrong with drc, stop trolling!

(insert wrigley field marquee sarcasm pic here)

"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.

by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

tomas, Crawdad had NO inflammatory remarks in that post. None.

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 25, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

hey DrC long time no read!

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good summary Crawdad.

What’s the thoughts over there on the South Side? Laughter? Or pity?

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Jun 26, 2010 10:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The soap opera of Chicago baseball

A few weeks ago the Sox were playing poorly in just about every aspect of the game. Outside of Rios and perhaps Konerko – hitters and pitchers were well under their career numbers. It was looking bleak and I was hoping for a reboot and getting ready for next year and beyond. So I’m glad to see that the Sox are doing well, finally.

Since the Sox weren’t doing any better than the Cubs until recently I guess I had fellow-feelings for my Cub fan friends. For example I went to a Friday afternoon game against the Pirates at Wrigley this season. I picked up great seats and enjoyed the afternoon as it was a beautiful day with a few Cub fan friends. I didn’t cheer for the Pirates. I didn’t boo Cubs players. The Cubs lost and I didn’t feel any joy. To me it was just another day of lousy Chicago baseball.

From what I’ve read sure their is laughter at the Zambrano eruption. Then several have commented supportive of Lee and condemning the antics of Zambrano.

"In time you can turn these obsessions into careers...Hurry Down Doomsday the bugs are taking over." - Elvis Costello

by DrCrawdad on Jun 26, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think the Cubs are good enough to go on a 11 game winning streak--hell, a 5 game one--

but it wouldn’t hurt to try.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Jun 28, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great post

I missed the game because I was at Toy Story 3 (great by the way) and I am glad I did. Thanks for everything Z but today I am glad I never wasted money on your jersey,

by williamzabka42 on Jun 25, 2010 8:13 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm no lip-reader

But watching Z’s meltdown, I believe he was bawling at Lee first, and then stomped toward Ramirez screaming “What was that bulls***? F***ing dive!”

IOW, that wasn’t toward “no one in particular”, Len. He was calling out both of them when Lee told him to STFU.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 8:14 PM CDT reply actions  

i didnt watch the game

what did rami do in the first?

"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.

by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

A bunt popped up foul

And landed perfectly between Soto, Z, and Rami. Z apparently felt Rami should have been laying out for it.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

if it landed between all three of them, why didn't Z dive?

if he’s so pissed at someone else for not doing it?

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Jun 26, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Finally someone asks the right question!

The answer is that the Cubs got unlucky on that particular bunt attempt. Z had already seen one hard-hit ball get past Lee for a double, and then after the muffed bunt attempt, Rios shot another double past Rami, scoring the first run. Both of those were legitimate hits, but Z’s perception was that something could have been done to stop them by Lee or Ramirez. He was fixated on the defense after that, even after he was the only defender to touch the ball that Quentin launched into the stands.

He should have looked at a scoreline, or the replays on the Jumbotron – Lee certainly didn’t have a chance on Pierre’s hit and after watching the replay of Rios’s double, I’d clear Ramirez of any wrong-doing, too. The simple fact is that Z decided to take out his crap pitching on his teammates.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 26, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

DINGDINGDING!

Winner.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

See NYB, this is EXACTLY why I think the "fire and energy" stuff for this action

by Z has no merit. If you are playing well, doing all you can, and helping the team, then criticizing fellow players has some merit, though not by a meltdown. Z has been underperforming with the rest of them and sure could have dove for it. He’s simply today acting like a coddled brat and blaming everyone else after being embarrassed with the home run. “Fire” like that doesn’t help anyone. To help the team he has to have at least a teenager’s ability to manage his “fire” with selecting the right moment and way to show it.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more with your assessment AL

and i posted as much when it happened in the game thread. I was surprised to see other BCB’ers on the thread come to Z’s defense and say they liked his fire. I thought it was completely misplaced and frankly there are few moments I’ve been more embarrassed for the actions of this team than I was today.

Lee is trying. His numbers aren’t great but don’t yell at the guy that he isn’t playing it out hard. Z has always been about Z, and he showed it today

by BeltwayCubsFan on Jun 25, 2010 8:15 PM CDT reply actions  

I have a Zambrano shirt.

Wonder if I should burn it in effigy after this fiasco.

Enough of the antics. The Gatorade Machine feels the pain of the TV reporters. The idiocy with Michael Barrett comes to mind. I also recall him charging out of the dugout with a half-tied belt trailing behind him like a tail when Derrek Lee and Chris Young of San Diego got into a free-for-all at Wrigley.

How old is Zambrano? He’s not a boy anymore. Al, I agree with you. It’s time for Z to go. Maybe I’ll borrow a leaf from cubswynn’s book and not hit the “Z” key anymore, using the “C” and “X” keys.

Z, it is far past time … get over yourself. You are not the team, you are part of the team. Or, more correctly, you were part of the team.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:15 PM CDT reply actions  

He's not a boy anymore...

but they do play a GAME for a living.

by mic on Jun 25, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Z is 29

By comparison, Maddux was on his way to winning his 4th Cy Young award as a 29 year old.

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Jun 25, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would say there is room for fire in the clubhouse beyond what Maddux did to show his desire to compete.

Z just doesn’t have any idea of how to show it properly, and it’s not only his fault he hasn’t learned it. After Bradley, Mgmt has a bad track record of picking hotheads that can’t express their emotions appropriately and coddling them in hopes their peformance is enough to win. Let’s hope Ricketts doesn’t continue this.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Should have dealt him during the winter.

They’ll have to eat 90% of his contract, if not more. Few teams will want to babysit this ingrate.

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on Jun 25, 2010 8:17 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Note to everyone:

Here comes a weekly boycott of ESPN. They’re going to have only too much fun with this when they’re not broadcasting the World Cup.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Amen to that Vermont!

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ricketts

has to be kicking himself for going through all that crap to buy this team.

 If he had just bought awesome season tickets instead of buying the team he could be in Africa right now saying “I can’t believe I blew 10 grand on this mess” instead of “I can’t believe I blew a billion dollars on this mess”.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jun 25, 2010 8:21 PM CDT reply actions  

I dont feel sorry for him...he's the luckiest SOB on the planet IMHO

I would love to own this team, but like any business you need to be in control of the people that work for you. He should let people do their jobs yes, but he should use his head on if they are doing their jobs right. He also needs to eat some of these contracts. Hes bought a business that needs overhauling and he should have known that. If he didnt THEN we are in trouble. Businesses just dont fix themselves. And you always have to put money into them and/or get rid of baggage to make them prosper.

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're dead on

and I’m confidant the Ricketts family will not lose money on the team over the years. So don’t cry for him Argentina aka Chicago.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jun 25, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought this was interesting

from the ESPN article in one of the fan posts/shots

“Zambrano is in the middle of a $91.5 million, 5-year contract extension he signed in August 2007, and Hendry said he doesn’t think his behavior could nullify the deal.”

This is the sort of thing that drives me crazy. Player acts like an idiot – player continues to get rewarded. Seen this one too many times.

There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.

by truelinkfence on Jun 25, 2010 8:34 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm more upset that hendry has already said it doesn't nullify the deal

why not make a comment like “no comment” or “we’ll look into it”

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Jun 26, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Spot on.

Don’t help out a child who just did something horrible with “I don’t think I can do anything about it”. More coddling.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Better yet - close ranks, get in front of this story, and handle it internally.

Hendry’s comments tonight, while awesome fuel for those who want to see Z pay for his tantrum, do nothing but hurt Z’s value, and therefore the Cubs’ bottom line.

The Cubs should have spent today minimizing this story. Had they done so, it wouldn’t really be much of a story.

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by D98 on Jun 26, 2010 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

This team...

…is an absolute joke!

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jun 25, 2010 8:35 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Sad to say...

… you’re right.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

To quote the late great Chuck Heston

“IT’S A MADHOUSE! A MADHOUSE!!”

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Get your filty paws off me you damned dirty ape!

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 25, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

As a Giants fan

Is Zambrano even a good risk for another team at this moment?

"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn

by 49er16 on Jun 25, 2010 8:39 PM CDT reply actions  

As a Cubs fan

I would have to say he’s not worth the risk, for anyone.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

He'd be fine in a no-pressure market.

The Padres would take his contract if the Cubs paid 75% of it, and they’d win the West. Z , the misunderstood hero.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 26, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is exactly what we said about [redacted]

sad

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 26, 2010 6:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah he pitches great for other teams

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh jeez

He’s became that bad, huh?

"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn

by 49er16 on Jun 25, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol...saw right thru that eh?

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm a Giants fan

We have a full relief staff that pitches well for other teams.

"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn

by 49er16 on Jun 25, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

Z has had some experience as a reliever. Perhaps we can meet for lunch and talk a deal.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jun 25, 2010 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

there ya go ;)

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

he is

giants should trade for him right now

"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.

by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2010 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good post Al

And I’m starting to feel bad that part of your daily routine is having to write these up…

by ak123 on Jun 25, 2010 8:40 PM CDT reply actions  

At least there was something interesting to write about today.

The game was pretty one-sided and dull.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

i was thinking the same thing

I can always turn off the tv-I can’t imagine what it must be like having to slog through this mess inning by inning,

by bluekoolaide on Jun 25, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll say this much

I don’t care if the team is this bad….getting to spend so many days at Wrigley a year is always amazing.

by ak123 on Jun 25, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

game of interest

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

he has 130ish pitches

he wont even finish it I dont think

by AzCubfan24 on Jun 25, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who's he pitching for now?

Detroit?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have the game on now on Extra Innings.

Watching the Tampa Bay feed with DeWayne Staats.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have the TB feed in HD

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

at least you can get EI

here in frontier-land it’s not even an option

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 25, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

One out in 9th

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Two out.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Got it :)

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Two outs.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

A walk.

8th walk by Jackson.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Congrats to Edwin Jackson on his no-hitter!

149 pitches. Amazing!

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

149 pitches.

Wow. Anyone happen to know the last time a pitcher threw that many pitches?

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mark Prior

in a ST game for Dusty.

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Zing!

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, I have an answer.

Via BB-ref’s Play Index. Love that feature.

The last pitcher to throw 149 or more pitches in a game was Livan Hernandez for the Nationals on June 3, 2005, the first nine innings of an 11-inning game vs. the Marlins.

That many pitches in a game, before tonight? Only three times since 2000. Ron Villone and Randy Johnson were the other two.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

Didn’t think it was just five years ago, though.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

No-hitter!

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Incidentally, the Rays have now been no-hit twice this year.

The last team to be no-hit twice in one season was… the 1965 Cubs.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the Cubs offense being no-hit

Is just about the only thing left to check off the list this year. It is bound to happen

by BeltwayCubsFan on Jun 25, 2010 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

Forgot about that deal. Just turned the game on. I suspect he’ll at least be allowed to start the 9th.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not.

Gotta let the guy at least start the inning.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

2 brilliant baseball men, there.

Just wait until Grace is in a Cubs broadcast. Remember my words.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 26, 2010 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Daron Sutton was pretty good when he did Brewers games

Did he go all ARam when he was hired by the DBax?

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 26, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Guess he didn't throw a temper tantrum

and yell at the player who committed the error.

by JimAnchower on Jun 25, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol...funny

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully he gets it

And the national media will have something else to talk about besides Z.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

For those of you in the Chicago area,

Channel 5 is going to air the incident of Z going off at reporters on its broadcast tonight.

Spoken by the uploader in comments of the meltdown video I saw on YouTube.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Do you have the link?

"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn

by 49er16 on Jun 25, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's the comment I saw
Latest report from WMAQ-Ch. 5 is that Zambrano launched into a profanity-laden tirade at local cameramen after they filmed him leaving the Sox parking lot at the Cell. The station plans to air the incident on tonight’s newscast.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

That alone tells me he's not in control

you don’t launch into a “profanity-laden tirade” towards reporters. Because they’ll report it. And if they have cameras, then everybody gets to see it. There is no way it ends well for you.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Jun 25, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder how long they debated whether to show the tape or not.

What’s less than a nanosecond?

"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.

by Goodie1969 on Jun 25, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m sure Baseball Tonight will air the tantrum.

"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn

by 49er16 on Jun 25, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

The question is,

Will they air the incident in the parking lot? That’s iffy.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I were producing the show, I'd air it.

It’s news, it was in a public place. Definitely airable (even if you have to bleep the obscenities).

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's good ratings

Tease it as a blow up, have we seen the last of Z as a Cub sort of thing. I would think that’s a pretty easy call.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Jun 25, 2010 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

excellent! hope someone posts the YouTube link

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 25, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait until our dear Worf weighs in

Hide the women and kids!

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 8:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I thought Worf had concluded he should stay away from games involving Zambrano

For his own mental health.

I have an image of him checking the score on his phone, saying “It figures” and going on with the rest of his day. When he logs on here tomorrow morning – that’s when the real fun starts.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow...

I had to take a while to really digest what happened today. SO MUCH CRAP! SO MUCH CRAP!

I truly have nothing to say except what someone said above…this team is absolutely collapsing. From Ramirez and Lee sucking to Wells declining, to Z, to their record, to their losing the last 9 series openers, to absolutely everything.

To quote Bob Brenly from today…“This is a dead assed team”. Period. The offseason couldn’t arrive soon enough IMHO!

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Jun 25, 2010 8:47 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Bob is the man

Someone had to say it, “dead assed team”. That is exactly what it is. Lou got fired up at an umpire yesterday. He should’ve went till he got tossed. But no, let’s just sit back and keep waiting for the real Cubs to magically appear. It ain’t gonna happen unless someone starts showing some emotion like Bob said. They really don’t seem to care. Z is fed up just like the rest of us. He just showed it in a way that will probably end his career as a Cub. It’s too bad. I put the blame on Lou. He is incapable of motivating this team. He has tried " everything humanly possible". HAHAHA

by MATT G365 on Jun 25, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

To be honest

Lou did take his cap off yesterday when he inquired of the ump’s plans for dinner.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jun 25, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a mirror of what happened in 07, with Zambrano and Barrett.

After that, the team took off.
Do I really think that will happen? No, but, it’s nice to think.

"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver

by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 25, 2010 8:50 PM CDT reply actions  

It's interesting Al

I just went back and read the game recap from June 1, 2007, the day of the Barret-Zambrano fight. it is stunningly similar to today’s recap. Quotes like “Whatever’s gotten into Z’s head, it is clear that his time with the Cubs has to be up.” and " but it was clear after that incident that the extremely volatile and emotional Zambrano quit. Yes, quit on the team," look a lot like the current situation. While I am not advocating keeping Z, it shud be noted that after that incident he turned it around and had a strong 07 and 08. Regardless of what happens it is pretty sad to see one the cubs best players of this generation go down in flames like this.

It's simple Cubs in the spring and summer, Vols in the fall and winter.

by cubvol on Jun 25, 2010 8:54 PM CDT reply actions  

good observation, cubvol... sad too

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 25, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?
Best players of this generation

I must have missed that day.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jun 25, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Worf Spud was sick today and I was home dealing with him

I turned on and saw 4-0 and said, “Meh, another fine start to a series” and shut off. The sound wasn’t even on.

I literally just learned what happened. I haven’t read through the whole thread, much less seen a replay.

So, I’ll just say this:

The line to apologize to me forms to the right. If you wish to bring donuts, I prefer custard-filled chocolate. If you wish to bring beer, bring Sam Adams Summer Ale.

If you bring scotch, all will be forgiven without another word.

Seriously, I didn’t want this to happen. I wanted him to figure it out and act like a pro. I really thought he had turned the corner with his fairly mature handling of the bullpen shenanigans.

I am sad for this.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jun 25, 2010 8:54 PM CDT reply actions  

hahahahaha

"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie

by lexmarklover on Jun 25, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was awful damned close

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rats! No more "Z should/shouldn't bunt debates"

I’m with you, mon frere. I was really hoping all his talk back in March about reforming his ways would be the real deal.

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 25, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

everyone is in such a tizzy.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2010 8:57 PM CDT reply actions  

And here comes drew to defend another miscreant

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jun 25, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

At least he's consistent

When I called out Zambrano for petulance last year, Drew blasted me for it. So did others, but some others are now seeing the light.

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 25, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

and I did that where, exactly?

Zambrano did what he’s done the entire time he’s been a cub, and because the team’s playing poorly, he’s become the scapegoat.

Whatever. I have too much work to do. Arguing with you guys about this team is just about the lowest thing on my list. BCBers are some of the most reactionary, schizophrenic people I’ve ever encountered, and that includes my ex wife.

Got my Santo jersey on, because I couldn’t find my Zambrano shirt this morning. Must be in the laundry. I’ll wear it tomorrow.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 26, 2010 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, drew ...

you don’t have to be obstinate just to be obstinate.

by elgato on Jun 26, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh yes he does ;-)

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 26, 2010 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Manny being Manny...

Saying Zambrano has become the scapegoat is laughable. I’ve read about 1000 comments in the last 12 hours, and not ONE of them is saying Zambrano is responsible for the season.

Of course, there are about 1000 that I haven’t read.

Just wait until the fanpost with the transcript of his latest call to the MLB offices on this.

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 26, 2010 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

you're right -- no one is saying that Z's the scapegoat

Lou, Hendry and probably two-thirds of the roster are responsible for this mess, Z among them. I think that’s generally accepted, though Z is rarely ID’d as problem No. 1.

by elgato on Jun 26, 2010 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

sorry -- it's early

no one is making Z the scapegoat, and drew is the only one saying that Z is the scapegoat.

by elgato on Jun 26, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

It wouldn't be so bad

if Z hadn’t proudly proclaimed in Mesa that things will be different this year, that he’d take better care of himself, that he’d finally grown up, blah blah blah…

Should I have known better than to wash down the spin doctoring with a big glass of Kool Aid? Perhaps. And to those who were smarter and cynical enough to see through it, you win. Let me just say, though, that yesterday is when I realized #38 is never going to get to that elusive next level and constructively channel all that competitiveness. I finally realized the dude will never be the reliable big-game hurler I and the Cubs brass hoped he would become. Once a man-child, always a man-child.

Sure, I remember the dugout flap with Michael Barrett three years ago, and the gesturing at the fans when he melted down against the Dodgers in September of either 07 or 08, and similar occurrences before then. You saying to yourselves, “EE, you honestly expected Zambrano to find religion this spring, when his reputation dictated otherwise?” You’re wondering how gullible, stupid, myopic, and schizophrenic I can be.

I may be all of those things, but by no means am I scapegoating Zambrano. I am simply observing that he officially burned his last bridge as a Chicago Cub. I finally wised up as to who and what he is.

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 26, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Off topic

But Edwin Jackson no hitter for the dbacks against the Rays. 149 pitches, 8 BB, 1 HBP and one error.

by williamzabka42 on Jun 25, 2010 8:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah nevermind

I am a moron, who was just checking through while getting the kid ready for bed. My bro-in-law was gonna go but decided to go to arena league game instead. Oops.

by williamzabka42 on Jun 25, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

the rays are such a good team

yet have gotten no hit 3 times in less than a year

"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.

by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2010 8:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Exactly what I was going to say

Why are they the ones getting no-hit?

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

someone has to

to make up for the cubs

"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.

by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't worry

The cubs are sure to be no-hit at some point this season

by Dcr18 on Jun 25, 2010 9:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I used to..

Feel sorry for my buddy that was a Met’s fan the past few years after all there meltdowns but this team looks much worse than what he had to witness.

by bazfan1234 on Jun 25, 2010 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Insight into the true being............

……….of Carlos Zambrano’s was fully demonstrated today. I’ve had to watch people on this blog REPEATEDLY defend him for idiotic behavior, but surely by now even those folks can no longer endorse his acts.

Too bad he’s likely an immovable object. This could likely be the death knell for Hendry since he rewarded Z with a contract that will hang like an albatross around the neck of the franchise.

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra

by tville on Jun 25, 2010 9:02 PM CDT reply actions  

8 walks?

That… is ridiculous.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 9:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Could have been 11

That’s ridiculous. It’s not even funny.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Different ref, actually

If anyone gets it, I will be pleasantly surprised

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ten Angry Men?

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope

But all my DB alts can SuperCock.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

How annoyed do you think the Rays are?

Between the RoE & 8 walks.

Insanity.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Rays?

They’re half a game out of the wild card lead. They’re probably more pissed about losing than being no-hit.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Losing a 1-O game

when you’ve gotten 8 walks, thats what I was trying to say they’d be pissed about.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think 8 walks should count as a no-hitter

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jun 25, 2010 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

me neither

insane.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

They don't call it a "no-walker"

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your job as a pitcher is to prevent the other team from scoring

Pitch around a threat and retire the guys behind him and you’ve done your job well.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, that makes sense...thanks

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

YOU

are the new pitching coach for the Chicago Cubs.

by KyCubsFan on Jun 25, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can see it now

I trot out to the mound at Wrigley to give some quick advice to Stevens about how to handle this pinch-hitter and the blogosphere lights up with “Great – Gas Can Clutch to the mound…”

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 26, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Don't make me bring in Z"

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Your job as a pitcher is to prevent the other team from scoring

Pitch around a threat and retire the guys behind him and you’ve done your job well.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

You can say that again

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jun 25, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your job as a pitcher is to prevent the other team from scoring

Pitch around a threat and retire the guys behind him and you’ve done your job well.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

great

you won then.

but i don’t think its really worth of remembering for all time.

But my opinion doesn’t really matter :-P

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or maybe no-hitters are overrated

Due to the ability to game the system as described.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

thats certainly true.

I do think no-hitters are overrated, but interesting statistical things.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

They are certainly not overrated.

No-hitters at any level are incredibly difficult, freak occurrences even. Of course, there are varying degrees of no-hitters (perfect games at one end of the spectrum and 8 walk performances at the other), but they are always incredible and the pitcher (and team) should always be praised. They’re not simply “interesting statistical things,” as though we were talking about home runs leading off a ballgame or doubles by a left-handed hitter in day games following night games.

by Zonk on Jun 26, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

To me, they are.

Always have been. Difficult athletic achievement? Of course. But so are dozens of other things.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 26, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meh...dunno about that.

There’s been a lot of them this year. They were revered because they were so rare before. If they continue to happen with a lot of walks or not with frequency…then I’d say they are overrated. to me they are just a surge at the moment.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 1:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've always thought they were overrated

Interesting quirks sure… but not as special as they’re made out to be.

I mean. I love catching that last 2 innings of Z’s a few years ago… but I don’t think it should change how you view someone’s career.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 26, 2010 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 2:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I heard you the first time ;)

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Blame SBN :P

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

just like z

blaming other people (or things) for your failures

/sarcasm

"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.

by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look at that.

You think so much about this that you said it twice!

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jun 25, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Loud, sustained applause.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is that on macro?

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jun 25, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

It seemed to me that he was berating the whole team...

and then directed it at Lee b/c Lee spoke up to tell him to shut up.

I don’t need to defend Z to have my point stand though, but since you mention him I think in his mind he was angry about the result and perversely thought that yelling at his teammates might make them perform better. At any rate, neither you or me has any idea what was going through his mind so I don’t see much point in trying to argue about it. I’m not defending his action.

As I made clear, I was mostly referencing 1)Lee’s reaction to stand up for the team, and 2)Lou yelling at the umpires and seeming to not be sleeping for a change.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 25, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Cubs have been such the "dead-ass" team that Brenly speaks of

I am almost kind of glad this happened. Think of it as a last stab at somehow having this team show some life. Too often the Cubs play as if they have a plane to catch.

This is sort of what happened in ’07….Lou had a meltdown one game and Z slapped around Barrett the next. They played better baseball afterwards. Not saying it will happen again as you can only go to that well so often, but it beats losing so listlessly day after day.

"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman

by BucknerKongCardenal on Jun 25, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is way different from the Lou meltdown in 2007.

Incidentally, that took place the day AFTER the Z/Barrett incident, not before. The entire reason for doing it was for Lou to take the focus away from that. He succeeded.

This is completely different.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Different or not...

It really has no bearing on my point that Lee and Lou’s various actions of late indicate that there is some fire with the team.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 25, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's a plus?

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 25, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

cub highlights would require something good happening

i have however seen SEVERAL highlights with cubs in the background.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well said. and Rec'd.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 1:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is the post that comes closest to my sentiments on this matter

As I said elsewhere, Z had no excuse. He was wrong. But he will still be with the team at least the rest of the year.

Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"

by cubzfan on Jun 25, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rays have been no hit 3 times in the last year

2 of those were perfect games.

I still can’t believe that it isn’t OUR offense thats had that happen.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 9:09 PM CDT reply actions  

You have to be really bad to be as bad as this team is and not get no-hit. It means that

pitchers don’t think you are woth a crap and don’t bring their a-games. How Cubbish.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 25, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

cubs are reality tv

Producers just turned it up a notch. I can’t wait for tomorrows episode.

by cozmotaylor123 on Jun 25, 2010 9:12 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

ESPN is going to talk about Z after this commercial break.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

This just in....

Carlos Zambrano is quitting baseball and moving to England to play soccer.

He has also requested that reporters and fans now call him “Zed”.

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

With his anger, Z would definitely fit in with them.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

How far this team has fallen.

How far many of the individuals who made up the great 2008 squad have fallen. Even accounting for age/injuries, this team dried up/boiled over so quickly.

It’s really pretty remarkable.

by elgato on Jun 25, 2010 9:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Blame Lou

You have a manager who appears to have given up on the season and several players who also seem not to show much interest. Not excusing Z’s action but a fiery character such as him cannot accept the defeat that he see’s in the others. The halfhearted play and managerial disinterest pushed him over the edge.
No excuse for Z’s action and he must go, but those that have given up must also go with Lou leading the way. He is not only disinterested but has lost control of the team.

by txtom on Jun 25, 2010 9:13 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree with that, too.

There has to be a major shakeup RIGHT NOW.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Dead-ass team

Brenly commented that the team has needed some emotion, although this was not the right kind, but something is needed to fire up what has been a ‘dead-ass’ team for 3 months.

by txtom on Jun 25, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

he also said it was like The Night of the Living Dead around here

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

We're not in the clubhouse.

We can’t know what goes on in there.

"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.

by Goodie1969 on Jun 25, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only Nady is

You’d never know it. He’s very quiet about it.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually I've seen zombies...oh nevermind.

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

OT: go rent Shawn Of The Dead

if you’ve never seen it. A true comedy classic.

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok :)

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 25, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Won't happen

If nothing else, because of today.

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 25, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree with this cept for saying blame lou for putting him over the edge. Managerial disinterest and coddling him did that

in addition to Lou being asleep at the wheel. If they had taken action before during Z’s meltdowns…action that meant anything, then you could say it was all Lou’s fault. It’s a combination.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 1:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't Zambrano have a no-trade clause?

He can stay a Cub if he wants for the rest of his contract.

"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Jun 25, 2010 9:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Great.

Just pay him then and send him home to Venezuela. I’ve had enough of his act.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

If that be protection money

meaning that you’re paying someone so they don’t cause you harm, then so be it.

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

you could work

A buyout to pay him the $$ over 6-7 years with interest rather than the original terms of the contract. Z might do it to save a little face among MLB.

by cozmotaylor123 on Jun 25, 2010 9:26 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's how I feel when I see the situation, but Ricketts is a businessman.

He’ll try to exhaust any possibility of trading Z for awhile before doing something that extreme as he should. I’d want him and Grabow gone for obviously different reasons, but that’s why I don’t own the team….well that and the little problem of not having a fortune lol.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

BBOOOOOOOOOOOOO

United we stand and united we'll fall......down on our knees the day we win it all!

by Bricks and Ivy on Jun 25, 2010 9:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Z acted like a BOOOOOOOOB

sad because he used to be my favorite player.

United we stand and united we'll fall......down on our knees the day we win it all!

by Bricks and Ivy on Jun 25, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was saying Booooo-Urns

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Jun 26, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

BBTN says this could "unite" the team

I just broke my ribs laughing.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 9:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Kurkklfnkfbgen also said his contract is untradable.

Thanks Jim!

United we stand and united we'll fall......down on our knees the day we win it all!

by Bricks and Ivy on Jun 25, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll disagree with Timmy here

If Mike Hampton and his awful Rockies deal could get moved, anything can happen.

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Knowing the Himalayan size egos of managers and GMs

There’s bound to be someone out there that’s thinking “I’ll be the one that speaks Z’s language and can totally relate to his uber-competitiveness and turn him around.”

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought failure had already done that.

"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.

by Goodie1969 on Jun 25, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you shitting me? LOL....perfect example of why never to watch ESPN crap.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Where are all the Zambrano backers now?

Where are the know-it-alls who said Zambrano was the “BEST DAMN PITCHER FOR THE CUBS OVER THE LAST…”?

Where are the brainiacs that vilified Lou and Larry for sending Zambrano to the bullpen? The writers and fans who shouted about the highest paid relief pitcher or a terrible allocation of resources (I LOVE AMATEUR GM HOUR!). And then they jumped on anyone who defended the move, or who did not automatically think Zambrano was the best pitcher on the staff.

Anyone who watched that childish behavior by Zambrano today had probably seen it from him before. But his apologist ignored his unsportsmanlike behavior and continued to tout him as the Staff Ace – Look at this stat or that stat. What bunk!

Well? What’s your answer now?

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Jun 25, 2010 9:23 PM CDT reply actions  

They're here

Just not saying that anymore. People are allowed to change their minds or admit they were wrong.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

You sure you've been reading this blog?

lol…meant that as a reply to your second sentence.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sending him to the bullpen was still a stupid move.

and you aren’t going to find any meaningful statistics that suggest otherwise.

Further, while I don’t think Z is or was our best pitcher for most any given time (I’ve never really been a big fan of Z actually), his actions today have zero relationship to his past performance. He could’ve set Comiskey on fire. It wouldn’t alter his statistics in the past. His stats are what they are, regardless of what he does in the future.

To argue otherwise is a logical fail.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 25, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

What past performances?

You mean these:

1. June 25, 2010: Berates teammates in the dugout after four-run first inning, gets into shouting match with Derrek Lee and manager Lou Piniella sends him home. The Cubs later suspend him indefinitely.

2. May 27, 2009: Makes thumb-out gesture at umpire, slams glove into dugout fence, tries to hurl ball into bleachers and attacks Gatorade dispenser, leading to six-game suspension and $3,000 fine.

3. June 1, 2007: Sends catcher Michael Barrett to hospital with split lip when Barrett provokes him in clubhouse brawl after their fight in dugout.

4. July 19, 2004: Throws at Jim Edmonds after screaming at Edmonds as he rounded the bases on a home run, earning a five-game suspension.

5. Sept. 3, 2007: Points to his head after Cubs fans goo him off the for being pounded by Dodgers, then rips them in postgame interview: “They showed they just care about themselves.”

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Jun 25, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

No...

I mean the 241 other starts he had where he accumulated stats that impact his xFIP, K/9, ERA+ or any other stat that relates to value. In other words, the stats that actually contribute to winning games; the stats on which pitchers are evaluated.

My point was pretty clear: You’re suggesting his ridiculous and inexcusable behavioral outbursts somehow erase his past statistical performance. That’s a logical failure. He had 108 career wins before this latest meltdown. He still has 108 career wins after it.

You can make reasonable arguments that because of his behavior he doesn’t belong with the ballclub anymore. But don’t pretend that because of his behavior, somehow none of his accumulated statistics count and anyone who’s ever cited them is a fool.

With due respect, your original post was an asinine “I told you so” without basis.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 26, 2010 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'n not trying to erase any of Z stats

What I have seen is that Z fans ignore his outburst and mound antics and focus only on stats that are mainly from before 2009. Sorry, but what has he done lately? The stats are there for anyone to see. Z’s Most Similar by Ages links him to Ramon Martinez. Not so impressive.

108 Wins, understand. Funny this is, if I had stated that Z had won only 9 games in 2009, I would be laughed at by stat-heads for using a meaningless stat like wins. It happened to me before.

I’d like Z to stop predicting he’ll win the Cy Young and actually pitch and win the Cy Young.

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Jun 26, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fwiw...

I just picked “108 wins” at random. I don’t actually put much, if any stock, in that stat category.

And again, I’m not arguing that Z is a great pitcher. Though he isn’t terrible either.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 26, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you saying our blog will influence other GMs from trading for him?

If so I think you overestimate our influence.

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haven't heard his statements ...I didn't know he had made any.

Guess that’s a perk today of being in STL.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 2:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

I love this comment.

And wish I’d written it.

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by Allie on Jun 26, 2010 2:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am proud to have issued the click that turned this comment green.

It’s like an unending circle or dumb. Lock him in a closet, slip tranqs in his Gatorade, do SOMETHING to allow the team to give the rest of the world the impression he’s worth something.

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by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

a fragile, talented, highly paid nutjob like Z

No thanks on my team. Z has some makeup issues and I don’t know if he can get past that on this team. While there is a very good chance that he could rebound – Z and Barry Zito had the same win share (10) in 2009 – I’m not confident that can occur with the Cubs.

No thanks on the media spin plan. Sorry but the damage is done and the word has been out for some time. Z made this bed and he can lie in it alone. He’s a grown man and it’s time for him to act like one.

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Jun 26, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's already on your team. Now the question is, what do you do about it.

If you’re trying to trade him, then disparaging him in the press is counterproductive. If the Cubs’ brass was competent, they would have been minimizing this situation, starting from the moments immediately after the game.

Instead, we are now on Day 3 of screwing this situation up irreparably. Today, we announce that we’re removing him from the rotation if and when he’s ever reinstated? What the hell?! Why say that? It does nothing whatsoever positive for the team, and further damages Z’s trade value at a time when we are presumably shopping him as hard as we can.

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by D98 on Jun 27, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I love

how all of you are giving Lee a pass on this when you were jumping on him for not working/taking advice from Rudy the last couple of weeks. Lee’s a nice guy…don’t know how that helps him win baseball games…tell me his DESIRE to win….I’m not giving Z a pass tantrums rarely get you where you want to go except out of town.

Rethink all you’ve said about desire to win…let’s see you have a first and third baseman struggling to hit and their answer to it is to ignore the hitting coach….lead-off hitter (riot) thinks he doesn’t need to take pitches (hello…your job is to get on base…but I kinda get his point so who’s going to drive me in)….this team is a bunch of individuals period….so who’s at fault…..Jim Henry and Lou Pinella… clean house starting with them….send Lee and Z packing (for those of you in Lee’s corner…keep in mind last year of his contract…and he’s not worth the money he wants anymore)…too bad Z has a no trade clause would love to see the Cubs send him to the Royals where he can’t hit anymore.

Face it this team needs blown up…only keepers right now would be…Byrd, Colvin, Castro, and starting rotation except for Z (sorry they are at the top of the league in quality starts…how can you argue with that….Marmol is a maybe for the right deal he could be had).

by fedupcubbieincalifornia on Jun 25, 2010 9:25 PM CDT reply actions  

what has cashner ever done to you?

"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.

by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or Marshall?

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Derrek Lee wants to win.

I have seen no proof that he is “ignoring” the hitting coach, other than your statement here.

To blame Derrek Lee is simply wrong.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

You "believe"?

I haven’t seen any evidence of that.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's already "common knowledge"

Who needs sources when you have that?

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just ask

Ogilvie!!!

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Jun 26, 2010 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I believe you are wrong.

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jun 25, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

your right it's not in Carrie's column.

I know you’ll jump all over me for this but I’ve seen it from a reliable source…next time I’ll make sure I give you all the source and link…just like all of the rest of you do every time you state something.

by fedupcubbieincalifornia on Jun 25, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

its pretty standard internet manners

to link to something if you’re going to make a “i read this somewhere” type comment.

we aren’t always as strict with it here because most read the fanshots and see the same articles.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 25, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was a controversy about a month ago but yes

Lee and Ramirez were both cited as two that were reluctant to work with Jaramillo. Ramirez even added “I am my own hitting coach”. Lee, also recently in a radio interview was downplaying the usefulness of a hitting coach to a major league baseball team.

by troutfishin on Jun 25, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank you..

still need to know where it was…bugs me that I can’t find it, because I read it I didn’t hear it…found the Ramirez quote not the Lee one though.

by fedupcubbieincalifornia on Jun 25, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

you might be able to find it in the Boers and Bernstein archives

but that is where I heard the quote from Lee. In fact the quote from Ramirez has been talked about ad nauseam on this very site. btw, you’re welcome.

by troutfishin on Jun 25, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Zambrano is one more reason to NEVER NEVER give long -term contracts to players.

What incentive do they have to do well with $100 million in their pockets?

"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse

by ronsanto10 on Jun 25, 2010 9:45 PM CDT reply actions  

At this point...

… why not call up the team from Daytona? They could hardly do worse.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 25, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our minor leagues...

…really are that good. Good suggestion.

"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.

by timlacy on Jun 25, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know, how about the incentive of winning a championship?

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by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 25, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

do you actually think about what you post here?

There are plenty of guys with long-term contracts, many who earn more than $100 million, who compete and play well.

by elgato on Jun 25, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

So long Z, thanks for the memories.

First Kendry Morales, now Carlos, my fantasy team is taking a beating from freak incidents

13- Warner, 23- Sandberg, 40- Tillman, 11- Walter

by TBru on Jun 25, 2010 10:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm going to keep my eyes open for a viral video.

Any kind of video is bound to appear soon.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 25, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah - if they had something juicy and then decided not to air it... boo hiss!

We want blood! Sharks and vultures are circling – we want blood!

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 25, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Especially because...

Daniel Day Lewis promised that there would be blood. And if Daniel Day Lewis is anything, it’s not a liar.:-p

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 26, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Would you settle for the oil rain hitting Louisiana?

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 26, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

problem is

he is currently taking up a valuable roster spot, and not likely to play anytime soon. Can Lou, kick him in the kneecaps so we can at least DL him?

13- Warner, 23- Sandberg, 40- Tillman, 11- Walter

by TBru on Jun 25, 2010 10:32 PM CDT reply actions  

That's what's intriguing about this

Management isn’t going to play with a 24 man roster for more than a day or two

by shoemile on Jun 25, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's a starting pitcher

His suspension can last right up until the next time his spot in the rotation comes up, and even then Gorzelanny can take that start. If the Cubs were to suspend any of their players for misconduct, SP is the one role that can best absorb the blow.

I don’t think Z has very much leverage here. My prediction is that we’ll see reports of a full apology behind clubhouse doors sometime in the next two days, followed by his suspension being clarified as being long enough to rob him of his next scheduled start.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

actualy who cares anymore

See you in Spring Training ’11

Is it football season yet?

13- Warner, 23- Sandberg, 40- Tillman, 11- Walter

by TBru on Jun 25, 2010 10:34 PM CDT reply actions  

There is a football game on this very afternoon!

Although after the US wins the World Cup, i’m making a shirt that says “IT’S CALLED SOCCER NOW, BITCHES!”

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by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

How do you know Al

“Bob Brenly mentioned this on the telecast as a good thing — I like Bob, but he’s wrong about this one. This kind of “fire” doesn’t help anyone."

I don’t mean to sound like Lou, but how much professional baseball have you played?

Sorry, but I’ll take Brenly’s word for it, I’m sure he’s seen this a time or two in his career.

by troutfishin on Jun 25, 2010 10:38 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Haven't seen any other teams win after screaming matches.

That much, I do know.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

For those that want Tom Ricketts to say something, anything...

…better hope he puts more thought into it then Steve Jobs did.

I’m no tech-geek so apologies if I’m using the wrong terms here, but apparently the just-released new iPhone has some significant network reception issues when held a certain way. I have no idea what way that is, but sounds like it’s a fairly easy/common position to find yourself in during normal usage of the phone.

Now I suspect that it could be pretty annoying if I just spent several hundred dollars on the latest gadget and just because I hold it a certain way – boom! I lose my signal. And for a company like Apple that depends on a very devoted “fan” base, problems like this have a way of causing much damage in the public eye.

Not to fear though – Steve Jobs steps up front and center in the midst of a very visible business crisis and says…

“Just avoid holding it in that way.”

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 25, 2010 10:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey doc' my arm hurts when I move it like this

….the doc replies…“well don’t move it like that”

by troutfishin on Jun 25, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Problems if you hold the iPhone with your left hand

iLink

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 25, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Steve Jobs is becoming a cranky old man

If the Apple board weren’t so petrified of handing control of the company to anyone else, they would have asked him to scale back his day-to-day duties around a year ago. This incident would have prompted them to ask him to set his retirement date.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plus Jobs is such a egomaniacal control freak...

that I doubt they could get him to relinquish control if they wanted him to.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 26, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

That isn't steve Jobs any more.

They clearly wrapped Jobs’s skin over some sort of cyborg. His face practically droops off his bones these days.

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by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is why I'll never be CEO of a company

I’d have said the same thing Jobs did. But at least I have the presence of mind to realize that this is not the kind of thing a CEO should say!

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 26, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

id rather the cubs not jerk cashner around

"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.

by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand your concern but if there was

an opening in the starting rotation to begin his stint in the major’s I’m sure the Cubs intention would have been to stick him in the rotation anyway.

by troutfishin on Jun 25, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes

"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.

by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

It wouldn't be jerking him around

If they left him there

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Jun 26, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

if he hadnt been moved to the pen, people would be bitching about how awful our bullpen is

i have no problem with keeping him in the bullpen

"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.

by jesus christos on Jun 26, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

and since the season is all but OFFICIALLY over

I have no problem actually putting him where he brings the most value the rest of his career. It’s time to start playing for the future, we don’t need an 8th inning guy right now

by HuskerCorner on Jun 26, 2010 6:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Say what you want...

but it’s nice to see that someone on this team actually gives a shit.

by kanderber on Jun 25, 2010 10:58 PM CDT reply actions  

YEAH!

So what if they act like a goddamn five year old. I mean adults shouldn’t be asked to give a shit AND behave like adults! HOORAY random temper tantrums after you play like shit!

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Jun 26, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Didn't see today's Cubs game at all. What did I miss? Anything interesting happen? ;)

Was at the Lugnuts game. They went 3:40 and won it in walk-off fashion with a 3 run rally in the bottom of the 11th inning; this after being down by 2 runs in the bottom of the 9th with 2 out, no one on and 2 strikes on the batter. They rallied to tie it and send it to extras.

It was Bobblehead night, Myron Noodleman was there and Friday night fireworks.

Seriously folks, there is fun baseball played outside the Friendly Confines. Go find it. Stop watching this Cubs’ Circus.

Speaking of ‘Circus’, Saturday night is “Circus Night” at Lug’s Park. Maybe Z can come back to Lansing (he was a Lugnut in 1999) and entertain the crowd between innings with his humorous and madcap antics.

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by Zeke on Jun 25, 2010 10:58 PM CDT reply actions  

This team is in a free fall.

Zambrano is done physically. That’s why he goes crazy when he fails. He knows he doesn’t have sh— left and it drives him crazy. Cut him if that’s the only option, but he can never set foot in the Cub clubhouse again.

by Rick B on Jun 25, 2010 11:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Quite leadership by example....

In a contract year no less….

SPLITS G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Season 71 266 35 62 10 0 10 33 40 68 1 2 .233 .333 .383 .717

Projected 160 599 79 140 23 0 23 74 90 153 2 5 .233 .333 .383 .717

Any production from this point forward is too little too late….GARBAGE TIME

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
Dusty Baker is the only manager in the last 100+ years to lead the Cubs to a post season series win....
"Take the hands off the clock, we're gong to be here a while"

by kcjones on Jun 25, 2010 11:19 PM CDT reply actions  

My thoughts.

Im not saying z’ outburst should be tolerated but how about I think the “oh shucks we’ll get ’em next time” response has become a little stale. How about after a good ass-whooping someone stand up to the mic and say something like “you know what as a team we are clearly not preparing ourselves to win and that is unacceptable, we owe it to our fans to work harder to turn things around”

by cubbiefanTN on Jun 25, 2010 11:22 PM CDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

That's a good start.

How about, while we’re at it, we examine the current “everyone in the organization blast Z for his tantrum” stance and consider the effect?

Close ranks. Get the story straight. Get 15 players in front of interviewers, talking about how everyone is frustrated. And get Z dealt.

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by D98 on Jun 26, 2010 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

....and the point isn't to defend any of them.....

They all pretty much sum up Jim’s body of work…..look at the 10M + players…one of them in a contract year no less……producing like … well……

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
Dusty Baker is the only manager in the last 100+ years to lead the Cubs to a post season series win....
"Take the hands off the clock, we're gong to be here a while"

by kcjones on Jun 25, 2010 11:22 PM CDT reply actions  

The act is old

I like the part about serving meatballs to the Sox resulting in Quentin’s homer.

The first few times seeing Zambrano’s meltdowns I thought he didn’t have his stuff just like other pitchers when they don’t. The next few times he’s single-handedly putting these games out of reach before he gets yanked, and thought I might be jumping to conclusions. Keep seeing this happen more often and call whatever it is whatever it looks like whatever you want. This Project is unnecessarily putting the game out of reach. There were 8 more innings today after Zambrano left the game. Without that obnoxious display, or without the Sox scoring all 4 of those runs, it could have been a very different ballgame. There is no good reason to think it wouldn’t have been a different ballgame even though the team hasn’t been winning much.

Whatever they do to get rid of Zambrano is fine with me. The Cubs shouldn’t have signed him long term, but the franchise doesn’t deserve this crap and shouldn’t have to pay somebody who is deliberately losing games for the team.

by AboutTheCubs on Jun 25, 2010 11:26 PM CDT reply actions  

"Deliberately losing games"?

Are you saying that Zambrano is giving other teams runs on purpose?

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 25, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

He’s ridiculous all right. This is like the kid who gets angry and diliberately drops and breaks something or throws something because he knows whoever is making him angry won’t like that and deserves that. For Zambrano, he gets angry and thinks the team deserves to lose and proceeds with the no effort act.

Don’t want to sound like I know what is going on in his mixed-up head. But, the no effort thing is real.

by AboutTheCubs on Jun 25, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you drunk?

I’m sorry, but your premise is just so stupid.

by kanderber on Jun 25, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ummmm
Don’t want to sound like I know what is going on in his mixed-up head. But, the no effort thing is real.

So, you don’t want to sound like you know what’s going on in his head…..but you know what’s going on in his head?

I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers

by Nunyabidness on Jun 26, 2010 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

dude seriously?

"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.

by jesus christos on Jun 26, 2010 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's crazy.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 26, 2010 6:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's spitefull

Quote from the Trib—-According to one source, Zambrano shouted: “If you’re not going to play for me, then I’m not going to play for you.”

by AboutTheCubs on Jun 26, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

thats totally out of line.

Sigh.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 26, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lou and / or Hendry must go

This is TWO players in the last TWO years who have been “indefinitely suspended” for behavior. I have NEVER heard of this happening before, at least with such signficant contributors for such significant issues.

Yes, MB was a head case, and Z may be also. But the manager must be able to handle this better than just letting it blow up in such a public, undeniable fashion. And I’m SURE that putting Z in the pen for half the year didn’t help. If you KNEW he was this fragile that was huge mistake.

So get rid of Z if you want, but at some point, and usually ultimately, the parents are responsible for the behavior or their kids. You know what I mean.

by CalDeano on Jun 25, 2010 11:41 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Yes. For crying out loud, yes.

Putting Z in the bullpen for his “failure” in 1 of his first 4 starts was stupid.

It would have been stupid if he was the most level-headed guy on the team.

It’s “weapons-grade stupid” (thanks, Yahoo!) when the player is a fragile, insecure hothead.

It’s galactically stupid when that player is an $18M fragile, insecure hothead.

The correct response today is to BY GOD keep Z in the dugout all afternoon so tempers can cool, followed by a closed door meeting after the game, with Z getting his private reprimand, followed by 25 player interviews on TV about how “we’re all so mad about this season – Z just wears his emotions a bit closer to the surface.”

That’s how you run an organization. That’s how you avoid carpet-bombing the value of an asset you’re going to pay $36M for in the next 26 months.

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by D98 on Jun 26, 2010 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Would you also agree that it was weapons-grade stupid

to give Zambrano an $18M/year deal with a full NTC in the first place?

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 26, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't like how...

DLee is seemingly getting a pass just because he’s the nicer guy, and has been the saner guy. Lee has sucked this year. He’s the third worst 1B in baseball this year. Look it up. Three more K’s today, along with the questionable defense in the first. In addition to his complete dismissal of the hitting coach’s job function, despite being worthless at the plate. Did Zambrano overreact and do something he shouldn’t have? Yes, obviously. But, as I said before, it’s nice to see SOMEONE show some intensity and act like they care. As opposed to guys looking at strike three and just moseying back to the dugout like it’s no big deal.

Personally, in general, I love to see a player slam his bat after K’ing. Or slam his glove on the mound after giving up a postseason HR. Or beat the shit out of a Gatorade machine. I like emotion in sports. It reassures me that the players actually give a shit.

by kanderber on Jun 25, 2010 11:47 PM CDT reply actions  

That's a you problem

If you need players to dance around and act like 4-year-olds, watch pro wrestling.

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by Worf on Jun 25, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or basketball...

or football… or hockey… or, you know, baseball.

Players show emotions. Maybe you haven’t noticed because you’ve watched too many Cubs games, but they do.

by kanderber on Jun 25, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, they really don't

The Yankees don’t feel the need to behave like jackasses. Neither does Duke, the Lakers, Notre Dame, Kansas, or Wooden-era UCLA.

You’re talking about what you need, and that is just about the least interesting thing about this thread. No one cares what you need. You don’t matter. And thank God for that.

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by Worf on Jun 26, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have to agree with worf...

professional athletes need to act like professional athletes. Not inmates. Nobody gained anything by Zambrano’s outburst. A total black-eye to the entire organization.

Ron Santo - .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?

Brooks Robinson - .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.

Enough said ! Any more questions ?

by Easy Ed on Jun 26, 2010 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree with you Worf, though I have difficulty promoting the Lakers for anything.

Specially Kobe and his elbow throwing, what did I do self. They’re good but ain’t gonna give them credit for anything as a hated rival.

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Lakers employ RON ARTEST.

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by D98 on Jun 26, 2010 2:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

And for that matter, 80% of the reason Kevin Garnett's career has been such a joy is his naked emotion.

When you watch Kevin Garnett’s team, you can pretty much guarantee that he cares a little bit more than you do. He takes the losses harder and enjoys the victories more.

And yes, part of that was his pounding his chest and screaming at his opponents and teammates.

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by D98 on Jun 26, 2010 2:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Garnett was always the best player on his team

and you never had to worry about Garnett:

1) Not hydrating properly
2) Launching 40-foot jumpers (the equivalent of Z swinging like an idiot)
3) Not taking care of his body

And did you notice that Artest was the best-behaved of his career? Amazing what professional organizations bring out

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by Worf on Jun 26, 2010 6:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I made this argument during the Bradley debacle...

… and nobody wanted to hear it, but in light of this second “indefinite suspension” in less than a year, i think we should revisit the idea.

Some teams can harness the Artests and TOs, the ’Sheed’s and AI’s and Zs of the world. Some organizations have what it takes to absorb a Randy Moss or a Corey Dillion and not have everything go off the tracks. Dennis Rodman came to the Bulls and knew his shenanigans weren’t an option. Nothing gives me the impression there is a force in place to keep Cubs players in check in the same manner.

We keep blaming the players for their ridiculous ways while wearing Cubbie blue, but really… there is a pattern on the north side of Chicago. This isn’t the first time Z’s flown off the handle to the teams detriment. And Bradley wasn’t the first known grouse to to act out and then have the team react like they hadn’t seen it coming.

I have an idea – if you are going to commit millions of dollars to bringing volatile individuals in to one of the most pressurized environments in all of pro sports, why don’t you figure out how to handle their mental quirks? Boston and LA are tough places to play – just as tough as Chicago, arguably – yet the Patriots and Lakers manage to harness headcases because they have strong leaders – guys like Brady, Belichick, Coach Jackson – and strong organizational heirarchy… the cubs consistently lack that leadership and methodology, and even when they hired the “firey” Lou, it was in the waning years of his career – how many times have we REALLY seen that “grab a team by the balls and lay down the law” fire we expected from him?

Not to make excuses for the players, but it ISN’T these guys’s jobs to be good role models for our kids, or model members of our community. They aren’t politicians or teachers, and frankly i’d prefer they focus on their on-field duties in lieu of being on a perpetual “i’m a good guy, seriously!” pr campaign. They play a game for a living, and have spent their life coddled and enabled and told their every whim is OK. Acting surprised at their childish behavior, considering the path most of them have taken through life, is silly. And lamenting it is hypocritical – the fact is, you are supporting the system, from AAU teams to Sori’s bright blue Hummer, every time you buy a $60 bleacher ticket or a $145 dollar Blackhawks jersey.

How many times are we going to hear that Player X just “needs to play in a smaller market” or “needs to go somewhere with less pressure” before we admit the problem is with the team and not the players? Hire a psychiatrist, overpay for a known clubhouse guy, find the Phil Jackson of baseball coaches, do SOMETHING other than pretending like suiting up for this team is just like suiting up for any other and then acting surprised when guys bow to the pressure.

Albert Einstein once said “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”. Think about this quote for a second and ask yourself, is it Z that is crazy, or is your favorite team insane for expecting anything different from him?

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by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You make valid points.

However, it is clear that certain cities, certain organizations, certain fanbases, are simply not appropriate for some athletes. We learned that lesson last year.

So the answer to your question is: it’s a little of both.

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by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's blocking that out of his mind apparently.

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 2:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

My God...

you are such a miserable prick. Sheesh.

by kanderber on Jun 26, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

And...

poor examples, by the way. The Lakers have a guy who ran into the freaking stands to fight some FANS for crying out loud. kansas’s baseketball players got into a fight with some of the football players. ARod, of the Yankees, acts like a child all the time.

But I wouldn’t expect you to come up with an intelligent response anyways.

by kanderber on Jun 26, 2010 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

In fairness to DLee

I saw him do the “slam the bat down in anger” bit during the past Mariners series, when he K’d with RISP to end an inning.

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 26, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well Said

“Personally, in general, I love to see a player slam his bat after K’ing. Or slam his glove on the mound after giving up a postseason HR. Or beat the shit out of a Gatorade machine. I like emotion in sports. It reassures me that the players actually give a shit”.

There is a symbiotic relation between the emotional investment between fan and player, I think it’s why we don’t expect professional athletes to behave in the same manner as those in the working world.

by troutfishin on Jun 26, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you need it

that’s on you. Athletes are just like ordinary people. They react to situations differently. You can’t look at an athlete and tell how much he wants it. Just because a player throws a bat or reacts aggressively to a situation doesn’t mean they “want it more” than a player who doesn’t.

by JimAnchower on Jun 26, 2010 6:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

Having been on teams with many of those types, they’re the worst teammates any player can have.

by Zonk on Jun 26, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

You're right, Lee is on the down side of his career.

Actually, he’s never been the same since he broke his wrist in Los Angeles. But, at least, he acts like a professional major league baseball player.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 26, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did you even read what I wrote...

or did you just have a predetermined response once you saw the name of the person who wrote it?

by kanderber on Jun 26, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry, in full Sarcasm mode

Nothing to do with who wrote it…but I’ll try to step out of the mode for a minute.

Yeah, I’d actually like it if Lee showed more passion. And I’d certainly like it if he played better than he has been. But that doesn’t mean that he doesn’t care – and if Zambrano has an issue with him, he should discuss it in private.

Yesterday’s antics were totally inappropriate – not just because of the intensity or who they were directed at, but because of the venue. Do it behind closed doors.

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 26, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

D Lee sat on the cooler ...

 … in the dugout that Z … well … y’know.
I thought that was pretty cool of DLee.

If anyone’s pointed that out yet, cool. I didn’t read all one meeeelllion comments.

Go Cubs!! Woo!

by jhj on Jun 26, 2010 1:08 AM CDT reply actions  

And the world ends the year afterward, anyway

We won’t have to worry about the Cubs after that.

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by Clutch16 on Jun 26, 2010 2:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's not your calendar, it's Mayan!

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 26, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

You have a condition you care to share?

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 26, 2010 2:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I understand you're an idiot,

so I’m going to voice my frustration by screaming and blaming ballhawk, Worf, and Sue. And then I will exit stage left while swearing at Shawn and Josh.

Because that’s what Z did.

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by dtpollitt on Jun 26, 2010 11:00 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Very well put.

This is exactly what Z did. And then DLee stands up to him and gets chewed out.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 26, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

[ballhawk stands and points to scoreboard...]

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by ballhawk on Jun 26, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope that somewhere out there

Michael Barrett is smiling. Just a little bit.

I also hope that this team will do the previously unthinkable and release Zambrano so I don’t have to pretend to support him like I’ve had to for the past 3 years. I’ve hated the idiot since that dugout dustup and I’ve always believed he got away with murder when he escaped real punishment for that.

by owllover711 on Jun 26, 2010 1:40 AM CDT reply actions  

And while he was smiling

he let a slider in the dirt get away from him.

And then he tried to catch the runner going to third but he threw it into center field for some reason and two runs scored because he missed the center fielders throw.

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by D98 on Jun 26, 2010 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hah - Literal LOL.

Well played.

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by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, ha ha.

Whatever you thought of Barrett, he didn’t deserve to be just ignominiously shipped off to San Diego just to placate Zambrano’s bruised ego. At least a “this trade had nothing to do with the dugout fight” comment would have been nice, which I don’t remember seeing or hearing at all.

by owllover711 on Jun 27, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

So all are you really sure you want Z to leave AL?
Do it, Jim. Call Omar. Deal Z. Put him on a plane tonight. The Mets are at home, it only takes two hours to fly there. We could have two new pitchers by tomorrow. Show us you care, show us some fire, show us you mean business about winning.

This was written June 1st 2007 by Al.

Dear Carlos: All Is Forgiven. Love, Cubs Fans

This was the headline on June 11th 2007 for the recap.

So my question is will Al change his mind in 10 days if Z starts to pitch well or does really mean it this time?

Just wondering.

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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jun 26, 2010 1:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Someone must go... Pinella

I think that Zambrano i being scape-goated for Pinella’s failure to manage the team. Should Big Z have gone off the way he did? No. But its pretty clear that it is a built up accumulation of the lack of hustle and the “comfortable” clubhouse that Pinella has created for the Veterans. Just like Dusty, Lou doesn’t hold veterans accountable for their failures. Z’s pretty clearly gotten tired of the lack of hustle and support.

by frustratedfan on Jun 26, 2010 6:03 AM CDT reply actions  

No.

Its not the first time that Z has done this. Good players can sometimes have hot tempers. Did the Giants dump future hall of famer Juan Marichal after he hit Roseboro with a bat? Z’s a very hard competitor that always gives his all. That’s a good thing. He’s pretty clearly frustrated because a number of the veterans seem to be content to go out and run through the motions without expressing any frustration or anger… and apparently without the desire to get their jersey’s dirty at this point.

This really is a team reflecting the defeatist, I don’t care anymore, attitude of its tired old manager. And that’s why Z is so mad.

by frustratedfan on Jun 26, 2010 6:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Lots of players give their all

Most of them don’t act like an ass when things don’t go their way.

by JimAnchower on Jun 26, 2010 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Again.

Yes. Most players don’t. But some players do. And this incident is clearly a sign that something is wrong in the Cub Clubhouse. A good manager would never have let this happen. Its clear that its been building. I am not excusing Z. His behavior was not good. But this has been blown out of proportion by the Cubs GM to try to hide his gross incompetence and by the Cubs manager to try to hide his gross incompetence. Lee, Ramierez, Soriano and the like, whether due to injury of not, have basically stopped hustling. And rather that being called out and/or punished, they have been left in place. In contrast, Z got yanked all around. He’s frustrated and angry. And the Cubs even admitted that this was the first thing this year. He’s been a good soldier over and over again this year and the first time anything happens… bamm … under the bus.

by frustratedfan on Jun 26, 2010 6:23 AM CDT reply actions  

So it was Lee, Ramirez, Lou, Hendry, Soriano, etc

that gave up the 3 run home run on an 0-2 pitch? This has happened time and time again in Z’s career. Whenever he feels he’s been wronged, he goes and takes out his emotions on someone/something else and makes the situations worse. Instead of focusing on the job at hand, he acts like a petulant five year old who had a toy taken away from them. He needs to blame himself before he starts blaming others. When Dempster or Lilly see things go against them, do they publicly show-up their teammates? No, they say the entire team, including themselves, have to do a better job. If he has a problem with his teammates, do it in private. Do it behind the scenes.

by JimAnchower on Jun 26, 2010 6:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Home Runs Happen

Home Runs happen. Mistakes happen. The problem is a lack of effort. And my guess is that Z has been taking this up with them in private and that they have continued to blow him off. This is what happens when the manager has retired in place. Properly handled, a player like Zambrano is a big asset. It would be interesting to see what would happen if Z were paired with a manager like Joe Girardi (who seems to be very good at handling a tricky clubhouse and tough media market) or Ozzie Guillen (who seems to have the same passion for winning and who does not tolerate a lack of efffort).

But the Cub fans are, for the most part, too stupid to see the real problem. Hendry keeps giving the Cub fans piles of horse manure and the Cub fans only see ponies. The problem is that the Cubs management have destroyed a valuable tool toward winning and allowed a number of other tools to stop working. And the Cubs will compound this error by releasing or giving Z away for nothing rather than rehabilitating him.

by frustratedfan on Jun 26, 2010 6:41 AM CDT reply actions  

This happens to Z all the time

Don’t blame this situation on others when the problem is clearly Z’s. Hendry, Lou, other players have their share of blame for the season. But yesterday’s meltdown is purely on Z. He has done this many times in the past. A pitch he thinks is a strike is called a ball? Watch out, the next pitch may end up on Waveland. A teammate doesn’t hustle for a ball Z thinks he could have gotten to? Uh oh, a few pitches later a ball lands on Sheffield. Instead of focusing on getting the current batter out, he thinks about what’s he’s going to say to the umpire/teammate when he sees him next.

And this year, Z really has no right to get frustrated at what others have done, at perceived injustices his teammates have committed against him. Z has been a big contributor to the problems this team has had this year. If he had a good ERA, maybe that could be an argument.. But not when his ERA is above 5.50.

If Z goes to another team, he’ll have a few good outings, the teams fans will start to get excited, and then somehow he’ll be wronged. It’s a pattern I’ve seen way too many times in his career.

by JimAnchower on Jun 26, 2010 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

z has

done some childish crap in the past. but nothing could make him look worse than jumping on derek lee.nothing.as much as i like big z this will surely get him traded.

by NOMAR on Jun 26, 2010 7:00 AM CDT reply actions  

New York , New York

See ya Z, either one of these team will “show him the $$$”

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by parrotinct on Jun 26, 2010 7:16 AM CDT reply actions  

If I wasn't so upset and sad, I would be seriously pissed off.

@Al – sorry about the language.


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by eths on Jun 26, 2010 7:31 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

"Pissed off" -- pretty mild.

I think we all are.

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by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I deleted a whole series of expletives before posting.


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by eths on Jun 26, 2010 8:38 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

And that's why we have a Preview button - good work, Eths.

you should see some of the stuff I type that never gets posted… ;-)

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by ballhawk on Jun 26, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh to be a fly on the wall of some other posters.

This is one such time I would like to see what people say before they hit post. My guess is things would be beyond angry.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 26, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

...


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by eths on Jun 26, 2010 8:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

2 tragedies here

1) That anyone cares about a joke Dennis Culloton made.

2) That people believe that Tom Ricketts should fly back here from Africa because of this.

Hendry should be fired.

by rgonzale on Jun 26, 2010 7:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Yes, I do care about Tom Ricketts' hand picked PR guy making a joke that wasn't funny..

…. about a situation spiraling out of control.

I’m guessing Culloton will be muzzled.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing

absolutely nothing will happen at all. Z is suspended, and will stay that way. Hendry will do his job. Ricketts will not speak publicly. Nothing will happen to Culloton.

If this team is as bad as it’s playing, there’s absolutely nothing to be gained by turning this into a spanish soap-opera. And Ricketts isn’t that kind of guy anyway.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 26, 2010 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dood, have you seen the ladies on those novelas?

If that’s what the Cubs turn into then I’m getting season tickets!

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by EalyEagle on Jun 26, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cubs need to save $$$

can’t we just duct-tape him n save the $ for the muzzle to spend for some RPs? :]

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by jeffstorm2 on Jun 26, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm Done With Z

I’ve supported him for quite some time, but he’s never produced. Remember last year when he finally decided to start doing ab workouts to help his back? What the Hell is that he’s a professional and has been for years and now he figures he needs to take care of himself. He’s immature and no leader, he needs to go.

by BoilerUp! on Jun 26, 2010 8:04 AM CDT reply actions  

has he ever won more than 18?

@ 91.5million, u’d think hes a perrenial 18+ pitcher, no?

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Jun 26, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's got the stuff and the rare thing to be able to help himself with the bat

But his emotions have always held him back a little – when he gets frustrated he stops caring a little bit about location and just whips it, that kind of thing. First time I can recall him being THAT obvious about it though, supposedly that HR and a few pitches before were total meatballs (all I got was the radio broadcast).

by Steven Schweickert on Jun 26, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think he had the stuff

had as in past tense. Nothin Zs done this yr show this fan he’s an “ace”

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Jun 26, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

part of being a "ace"

is being a “stopper” and a good team-mate. Z is neither. later

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by jeffstorm2 on Jun 26, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Geez, do we need a recap overflow?

Ok. My two cents, and 800+ is a lot to skim, much less read, but I tried, so sorry if this is already stated.

I don’t see why Ricketts NEEDS to be here, like this is a call only he can make. He’s already said he likes his baseball people making baseball decisions, but I’m sure he gets kept up to date on what happens to the team – he was probably called within four minutes of the Z meltdown. Even then, the call probably didn’t have to come from Ricketts to send Z away and suspend him, given that these sorts of things have happened before. (Two links, careful, don’t trip while raging.) If that was all Hendry’s call to suspend him, bravo. The common thread between Z/Barrett and Z/Lee is, well, Z, and it’s nice to see Hendry realize this and put the kibosh to Z before he can damage his rep/Cubs season further. Sending away Barrett was fine because while we knew Z was a basket case, we didn’t know that he was THIS kind of basket case, and Barrett didn’t mean to the team what Z did. Course, now that we’re overstocked on SP, this is a convenient reason to further try to push Z out the door.

What difference does it make if Ricketts is here or not? I don’t think it takes Ricketts being here to recognize when a player needs to be suspended, and for all we know, the phones are being worked right now to move Z away.

‘His conduct was not acceptable. It has become a bit of a tired act. We’ll play with 24 before we tolerate that behavior.’ These quotes tell me the suspension is a Hendry call, which is what I’m happy to hear. Ricketts needs to be here? For what? To stand behind Hendry and nod approval? Kick Z in the tookus on the way out the door? Press some kind of ceremonial button that says “Z is Suspended. All is Well Again. Nothing to See Here.”? Again, from what I can tell, we’re making a huge deal about nothing with his vacation. Honestly, I’m glad it was Hendry’s call to suspend him. We get on the man for a lot and should be fired for lots of things, but I’m glad our GM has the autonomy and the balls to suspend a player like this.

by Steven Schweickert on Jun 26, 2010 8:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Bob Brenleys comments

were really disturbing to me. He virtually endorsed Zs meltdown!? I’d like to see more “passion” too, but not amoungst team-mates! Funny line by Oozzie G about “Z having more time to make dinner RSVPs”!

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by jeffstorm2 on Jun 26, 2010 8:40 AM CDT reply actions  

That cubs had played like "deadasses"

for months n he was “for a show of passion”, me too, but not btwn team-mates! I’m paraphrasin, but thats the gist of it

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by jeffstorm2 on Jun 26, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Comcastsports

is replayin BBs comments repeatedly…its too long for my old mind to remember it all, but i know i disagree with them!

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by jeffstorm2 on Jun 26, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

David Haugh on the Trib kinda summed it up well.

He said it was nice (at the beginning of the rant) to see some passion in a dead clubhouse. But that it went too far when Z started yelling at Lee.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0626-haugh-carlos-zambrano—20100625,0,5203584.column

by elgato on Jun 26, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

FOX game tonight....Right?

Cant wait for the insight…..

There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.

by truelinkfence on Jun 26, 2010 8:46 AM CDT reply actions  

That and

the whole video history of the emotional Z. Probably a nice montage to open. :) Possibly set to the tune of Survivors, Eye of the Tiger?

There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.

by truelinkfence on Jun 26, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

or, The Beatles song

I’m not a beatles fan, but tune goes like this: “I’m a loooOOOser, and I …” :]

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by jeffstorm2 on Jun 26, 2010 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

gimme the over, plz?

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Jun 26, 2010 8:48 AM CDT reply actions  

gotta go, gardens "callin my name"

work-work-work! maybe back durin game (on a diet, n the inevitable pukin is burnin pounds faaaast!) FYI- comcast is playin BBs commentary on Z" over n over n over…later

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Jun 26, 2010 8:52 AM CDT reply actions  

The footage of the meltdown be replayed a lot, probably for years.

I’ve got Phillies fans relatives emailing me wondering what the heck happened. National news, national embarrassment again.

One of Lee Elia's 15%

by waiting4cubs on Jun 26, 2010 8:53 AM CDT reply actions  

From Gordo. Interesting.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/2434868,CST-SPT-cub26.article

Z “did as much as any player on the team to derail last year’s chance to contend late in the year with the way he handled what he said was a non-issue back pain — refusing treatment for a week and then failing to answer the bell for a start 10 minutes before game time. The Cubs were tied for first place in the National League Central that day in August in Colorado, but by the time the crushed bullpen recovered a week or so later, the St. Louis Cardinals were pulling away.”

by elgato on Jun 26, 2010 8:58 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Zambrano’s act has gotten old. This is a habit with this guy. He turns on team mates, he destroys water coolers, he stomps up and down the dugout yelling and screaming in front of TV cameras for the whole world to see. He’s not a kid anymore. He’s a grown man who needs to take responsibility for his actions. He blamed D-Lee for not diving to get the ball. Who gave up the home run? That wasn’t D-Lee’s doing. Zambrano needs to look at himself before he starts pointing the finger at anyone else. When you’re on a sports team it should be one for all, and all for one. With Zambrano, it’s all about him. I’m very happy that he will have to apologize before he can return to the team but I don’t know how much meaning it will have when you know darn well he’s going to do it again. It’s time for Zambrano to move on and I can’t say I’ll miss him.

by bricksandivy on Jun 26, 2010 9:47 AM CDT reply actions  

wildly OT

but isn’t this an amazing picture?? Shot by a Trib photographer.

they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)

by Emelie on Jun 26, 2010 10:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Yes.

Amazing photo — that was one amazing storm.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Was this the storm from a few days ago in Chicago?

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10. Preparation hike up Mount Mansfield in Vermont planned for June 26....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 26, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Wednesday evening.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's cool!

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jun 26, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm feeling there is a real problem in the clubhouse

Z, with the shortest fuse on the team, was the first to blow.

I look at Al’s comments about wanting Ricketts in town because of the message it sends, that he cares.

If you look at Zambrano’s comments, isn’t he saying pretty much the same thing? He was berating his teammates for a perceived lack of effort. Could Lee have snagged Pierre’s double? I don’t know. But, it didn’t look like much of an effort. Ramirez gave no effort on the double later in the inning. On Lee’s single later in the game, it was a single because he made to no effort to try and make it a double. Marlon Byrd is at second base on that ball.

You would prefer that these kinds of sentiments are aired in the sanctity of the clubhouse and not in the dugout in full view of God and everybody.

The problem is that there is no strong leadership on this team. You can’t be a team leader when you’re hit .233 or .160. This team needs a strong vocal leader. That has never been Derek Lee. He is more the silent leader type.

Jim Hendry will probably do what Jim Hendry does, drag Zambrano through the mud publicly and lower his value to the point where he gets no more than a bag of balls. He did with Sammy Sosa, he did it with Milton Bradley, and I’m sure he’ll do it with Carlos Zambrano.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Jun 26, 2010 10:28 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

DLee

Is there something wrong with the guy? Believe me, I agree that Z is an idiot that should be canned at all costs. But I was in Seattle when Lee failed to make a routine play that cost Lilly a win, and he lookes like he’s moving in quicksand defensively. He also looks lost at the plate. There’s such a thing as decline and and then there’s dropping off a cliff.

Scott Bora$ is satan.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Jun 26, 2010 11:12 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree with Al,

Ricketts needs to do something about this train wreck now. He’s given our so-called baseball people ample time to get the ship righted and it is only gotten worse. I don’t know a Cub fan alive who is embarrassed and ashamed of what this team has become. It’s embarrassing to even say you’re a Cub fan these days and this just makes things worse. I don’t know what will make things better, but keeping the status quo ain’t working in the least bit.

"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"

by Itchy on Jun 26, 2010 12:22 PM CDT reply actions  

FWIW

I don’t believe BB was condoning the behavior. He seemed to be saying, “While that was wrong and immature, it would be nice to see some appropriate fire in that dugout”.

He took an opportunity to state how he feels and likely, how all of us feel. Kudos to him for saying it. It doesn’t have to be read as condoning Z’s immature behavior.

I don’t know many who would but it is what it is…a crappy, “dead ass team”. Period.

BB’s job ought not to be in jeopardy. He was saying what many of us agree with. IMHO, the guy should be escorted directly to the dugout tonight and offered the permanent job as manager. This team has talent, someone needs to figure out how to motivate it and it clearly aint Z…or Lou!

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Jun 26, 2010 1:47 PM CDT reply actions  

He seemed to be saying, "While that was wrong and immature, it would be nice to see some appropriate fire in that dugout".

If that’s what Brenly meant, he should have said it. It didn’t come across that way.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats how I heard it.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 26, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's not how I heard it.

I can’t see how you could have read it that way.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 27, 2010 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well,

I did only hear a bit of it (the bits they played on SportsCenter). I did not hear or conciously seek out the whole comments.

Also, I have a tendency to believe the best in people, especially people I don’t know well. I WANT to believe that Z’s just a frustrated guy who doesn’t always handle his emotions well and that his yelling is just that. So a guy who is frustrated and is reacting naturally (even if its not in the ‘preferred’ way) I can get past. And an announcer whom I really like who even SEEMS to be verbalizing what I’ve been thinking (that this team is dead and boring and not very good… which is a miserable combination in June)… well, I’ll run with it.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jun 28, 2010 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lee/Ramirez dive?

This will not change my opinion on Zambrano’s tirade, but I did not see the game and the replay is not great on my computer.

Should Lee and ARam dove for those balls? Is this an example of a ‘dead ass team’?

by gx4 on Jun 26, 2010 2:23 PM CDT reply actions  

No.

Neither ball was playable. Z was wrong.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 26, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 26, 2010 5:48 PM CDT reply actions  

ish.

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by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

STFU

ish

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 26, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Next

ish

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

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