The Pirates? Again?!?: Cubs vs. Pirates Preview, Monday 6/28, 7:05 CT
by Al Yellon on Jun 28, 2010 5:00 PM CDT
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When looking at the Cubs schedule before the season started, one stretch really stood out -- that is, the 12 games the Cubs had on the calendar with the Pirates in a 52-game stretch between May 4 and June 30.
Really, we thought? Almost 1/4 of the schedule with a team that the Cubs had beaten like the proverbial drum for the last three years (32-15 from 2007-2009, and 24-8 in 2008-2009)? Piece of cake, right?
That's been one bad-tasting slice of cake; the Cubs will have to sweep this series to even make the record look modestly respectable, and even then it would be only 5-7. It'd be a nice way to play starting this homestand, too. All six remaining games against the Pirates are at Wrigley (three this week, three from August 30-September 1). Let's start a nice little run tonight. Oh, and one more thing: the Pirates have lost 17 straight road games. Let's keep THAT streak going, too.
As far as the Carlos Zambrano situation is concerned, at this writing, nothing has changed, though the Cubs are investigating one temporary fix:
Cubs general manager Jim Hendry has been in constant contact with Major League Baseball and Zambrano's agent about determining a final length of the suspension.
Hendry said the Cubs could go back to 25 players if Zambrano were to be moved to the restricted list. At some point, though, Zambrano will have to come back and face his teammates and apologize.
"I did speak to the people in the MLB office, and I'm sure there will be some dialogue today with MLB and the players association," Hendry said Sunday. "As far as any specifics more than that, it's probably a day or two away from knowing more than that."
Players on the restricted list generally do not get paid, but when the Mariners put Milton Bradley on the list earlier this season, they did pay him and I assume the Cubs probably would pay Z, too, just to avoid any further issues. Stay tuned. Incidentally, the restricted list is similar to a DL placement, only there is no predetermined time limit for a stay on said list. And if the Cubs do wind up trading Z, Tim Dierkes at MLB Trade Rumors has a rundown of some bad contracts the Cubs might take on. The Mets deal makes the most sense, although it probably would be the Cubs eating the difference in contracts, not the Mets.
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Paul Maholm, until this year, had been a Cubs punching bag. This season, he has already defeated the Cubs twice, with an ERA of 3.00 in 12 innings. Since his last outing vs. the Cubs on May 15, though, he is 1-3, 4.05 and got blasted out of his last start vs. the Rangers after only one inning. Derrek Lee (.333) and Aramis Ramirez (.346) have both hit Maholm hard in their careers and it's way past time for them to start hitting the ball.
Randy Wells got pounded in Pittsburgh on May 6, but then threw five shutout innings at PNC on May 31. He's been erratic this season, but had a good outing in his last home start vs. the A's. Current Pirates are hitting .400 vs. Randy, but that's only 35 total at-bats (and no home runs).
Today's game is on CSN Chicago and FSN Pittsburgh. Here is the complete MLB.com Mediacenter for today.
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Please visit our SB Nation Pirates site Bucs Dugout.
Today's first pitch thread will be up at 7 pm CDT, and the overflows will post at 8, 9 and 9:45 pm CDT.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Maholm kinda looks like a young Gorzy in that pic.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:02 PM CDT reply actions
What?
They’re both the same age, only a month apart.
by Steven Schweickert on Jun 28, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok...then Maholm kinda looks like a Gorzy in that pic. I'm easy.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll go with a "separated at birth" comment.
by Steven Schweickert on Jun 28, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Who would mom root for if Gorzy pitched today?
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Both
She’d do one of those nasty half-n-half jerseys like AJ Hawk’s sister wore.
by Steven Schweickert on Jun 28, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Those truly are a pox on humanity.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Not even a month... And actually, Gorz is younger.
Maholm: June 25, 1982
Gorz: July 12, 1982
by Steven Schweickert on Jun 28, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Got $10 tickets for tonight.
Man, what a “shoot yourself in the foot” promotion. Have the cubs been paying NO attention to the concert industry for the last 2 years?
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
Worse yet - you can get them for the 3rd or the 4th as well. Ugly.
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by AndrewJStone on Jun 28, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I got a $99 rooftop for the 4th.
Amazing price considering I’m going with a couple buddies from out of town.Translation, we’ll probably get our moneys worth in drinks alone.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
did you put in the code word SANTO and "continue" from the promo box
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 28, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Dang, looks like...
they’re sold out now. Sucks, I was going to take my dad to his first game at Wrigley.
I'd try now and then...mine said they were sold out at first then I got them a couple hours later.
btw make sure you "continue’ where you typed SANTO…if you “continue” where you checked “bleacher seats” it wont work
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 28, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Bleacher seats...
aren’t even listed as an option any longer. Looks like they are sold out. I just hope that the people who bought them actually plan on going to the game, rather than reselling them.
also they're bleacher tickets in case you didnt know
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 28, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Are those dedicated to RF or LF at all?
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
IDK they say we're in seat 4338....but I'm not sure if thats a specific seat, bleachers are GA
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 28, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I thought they were GA. I can't really go anytime soon,
just was curious for future ref I guess.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Still are
Buy a bleacher seat and sit anywhere in the bleachers – that’s the way it’s been forever.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Kewl. How's it goin', clutch?
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh - gotta clean the house tonight
GF’s getting twitchy – she just doesn’t understand my World Cup obsession.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
You might ask her to kick a ball around the house for ya.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I have $10 tickets for tomorrow night....you get to see the Ron Santo thing tho :)
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 28, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm Maholm has been pitching badly lately, and he's just another example
Of a pitcher struggling we have made look good. No excuse for the O today if we don’t get to him. I’ve been disappointed with all the turmoil over Z that Wells hasn’t been thought of at all. While that may have kept them from considering putting him in the pen, a plan should have already been there in my mind. I hope I was wrong all along and he goes out there and has a good start with 0’s during the first few innings.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:10 PM CDT reply actions
Better to burn out than to fade awayyyyyyy...RIP Kiper June 26-June 28, 2010
Seems like we hardly knew you…cause well, we hardly knew you!
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I might change my profile photo to a picture of Al in memory.
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Jun 28, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
You can't deny the economical solution of having Z as your pitching coach.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
He can hit, too.
I wonder what he knows about changing the panels in the scoreboard…
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Jun 28, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Gameboard has that covered as hitting instructor.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Those darn things are hard to get rid of.
At least we have the memories of kiper now…was fun for a day at least.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I was looking forward to it...
but now I’m home and it is gone. I’m sure it was fully clever witticisms and pithy humor.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
It was, but not from the OP. At least intentional ones.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if Carlos Lee
could take over first base once Derrek Lee is gone (either via trade or not re-upped after the season). That might not be a terrible option.
DEJESUS!!!
i had the same idea
He’s played 6 games there in his career. Other than Konerko and Dunn, there aren’t a lot of great 1B options in next year’s free agent class.
Eamus Catuli!
Tonight....
Tonight’s lineup:
Theriot – 2B
Colvin – RF
Byrd – CF
Lee – 1B
Ramirez – 3B
Soriano – LF
Soto – C
Castro – SS
Wells – P
Colvin again!
Lou’s going to burn the poor kid out playing him so much in such a short time…
by Steven Schweickert on Jun 28, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
He put Riot back leading off just to make sure everyone knew he was still in charge.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you Lou
for playing Tyler. I take back the awful things I was going to say about you if he didn’t start tonight. ;-)
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
You take back things you hadn't even said yet?
:-)
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Jun 28, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm in a good mood tonight. :P
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
woohoo! theriot!!
"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.
by jesus christos on Jun 28, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
our lineup
should be so much more beastly than it is…of course that is going off of the paper. haha
by HardForharden on Jun 28, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
We're short one beast for the time being.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
apparently
I think that is why ANYONE thinks that this team could do anything the rest of the year, because we have the guys they are just either A. Old, or B. suck….oh and maybe the fact that we are Cubs fans
by HardForharden on Jun 28, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Us Cubs fans have certainly sucked for years watching them suck.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't believe I'm about to say this
but I would play a wait and see with this team, at least for the next few weeks just to see if they can pull off a little run. Give Colvin more consistent playing time, maybe Aram will come out of his funk and lets see if they can’t gel together.
You know the old baseball adage that by the end of a season a players numbers will look like the back of their baseball card. If Aram, Lee and Fonzi can light it up over the next month, then things start to look a lot better.
This might be the most optimism that has come from me in the last five years.
Soriano/Soto
should swap with Lee/Ramirez and we might score a couple runs.
DEJESUS!!!
seriously
F’ing Lou. And Theriot’s leading off again!
I think critiquing the linup is moot at this point.
It’s gonna be whack (whichever variation) for a while.
"Nothing can happen till you swing the bat."
-Haruko Haruhara
by windycitywarrior on Jun 28, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I want Zambrano leading off when he comes back.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 28, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
The first inning or first round?
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I want Z leading off
for another team when he comes back.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
by sue369 on Jun 28, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh boy, Zambrano and Lee to the Yanks for AJ Burnett! OMG do it now! Then Hoffpauir is back up with the big club! YES YES YES!!!
Sarcasm font totally turned off I am dead serious would do it in a second!
The Indians deal looked good too, but is it true Hafner can’t play 1st? I thought that was his position. Also, I don’t know why the Indians would want Zambrano over Wood.
Problem is the Yanks would not do it in a million years.
Unless you change Z’s name to the Farns II.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
However, you can't deny the irony of sending Lee/Zambrano somewhere as a package of bad contracts
considering what led to all of this.
by Jerry Mumphrey on Jun 28, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
it would be moer than irony
when they both have no-trade clauses
DEJESUS!!!
I don't know why the Cubs would want Wood back, even if it rids them of Zambrano
We already did the “crappy reliever that can’t get through the 9th inning with a 2-3 run lead” thing with H.H. Gregg last year
Caption
I put my shoes on the wrong feet again?
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
He's hoping if he counts the laces long enough the big bad man will stop yelling and go away
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Caption
Lou Pinella (To Himself): “Yup… still in a Cubs jersey”
"Nothing can happen till you swing the bat."
-Haruko Haruhara
by windycitywarrior on Jun 28, 2010 5:25 PM CDT reply actions
Wonder if Fontenot is sitting in the spot marked Tracy now forever in the bench.
Use only in case of emergency.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:29 PM CDT reply actions
In case of emergency, you may pull your Fontenot out of the overhead compartment for use as a flotation device...
by Steven Schweickert on Jun 28, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
After our boat sank I thought I was a goner
Thank God I remembered to bring my Fontenot
Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.
When I tried to read this, my computer said Fonte not
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
I think Lou forgot he was on the team.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
They left?
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 28, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
You missed some fun today SWL.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
As much as I hate this team right now...
I don’t think so.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 28, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
::Holds hand out, whimpers a bit::
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 28, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
what a god awful team
And I’m not talking about the Pirates
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jun 28, 2010 5:31 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
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Lou Pinella, still searching for answers, pitches penny into wishing well in dugout, only to discover that it is only the crater from Zambrano’s latest explosion…
Man, none of those contract swaps make a bit of sense.
The last thing we need is an overpaid outfielder or starting pitcher. I could see the Bradley / Silva trade—both were not in favor in their respective towns, had recent successes followed by poor seasons, and could use a fresh slate. Most of those trade options create a bottleneck at certain positions (corner OF, middle IF, SP) that we can’t use.
I don’t know what the hell to do with Zambrano, but let’s be straight here—he has value. He’s a career ERA+ 125 pitcher—hell, he hasn’t a full season below 117! The bad contracts mentioned aren’t even in the same class as Zambrano, to be honest.
-Carlos Lee has been having a poor season (OPS+ 79), but we have enough corner OF-Perez and Castilo—are old and in Perez’s case, not worth a major league roster slot at all.
—Rowand has been riding his one great season with the Phillies, and isn’t worth it. And why would we trade for Edgar when we have plenty of middle IF?
—The two Mets
-Lowe may be the most comparable to Zambrano’s career (ERA+ 116), with two bad seasons, I’ll hold off on that one.-Wood’s career hasn’t looked too hot, Hafner is a bomb waiting to blow, and Westbrook is a project.
—The three Indians are a crapshoot
-I wouldn’t touch Meche with a ten foot poll, Guillen is nothing more than a repackaged Zambrano, and Farnsworth-yeah, I could go on a date with that guy again. He brings the heat.
—Zambrano is better than Burnett.
None of those players are worth it, sans Lowe and Farnsworth, in my opinion. We’re stuck with Zambrano, and it would be somewhat silly to get rid of a guy that has considerable more value than those available. He may be a crazy asshole, but he’s still a good pitcher.
Dan
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Thanks, SBN, for the lines.
Much appreciated.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
This isn't just about ERA+, et. al.
The Cubs can’t make a decision based on only numbers in this case. They just can’t.
Keep in mind that I’m not endorsing ANY of those deals.
And I understand that.
But to make a business decision that wholly disregards what we get in return is ludicrous. The value that’s out there is pretty damn bad. It’s easy to get rid of Milton when he’s on a 2-year contract and we were gifted with Carlos Silva pretending to be Cy Young. It’s another thing when we actually get rid of Zambrano and get somebody in return that’s completely and totally useless.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
You're also assuming ...
that Z would have any value if he remained a Cub. And I don’t think you can make that assumption anymore.
What we really should be discussing ...
is how the Cubs have been in this position three times (four, if you count Miles) in six years. MB, Sosa, Z …
by elgato on Jun 28, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
THIS.
٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ Dum spiro spero... | Twitter: @andrewjstone.
by AndrewJStone on Jun 28, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Lessee here...what's the common link....man so hard to figure out here.
He’s on the radio right now dangit.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
hmm...what's that?
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Depending on point of view, that last sentence could go both ways.
He may be a good pitcher,
But he’s still a crazy asshole.
Cubs have to decide which aspect outweighs the other. No going back.
"Nothing can happen till you swing the bat."
-Haruko Haruhara
by windycitywarrior on Jun 28, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions
that's kinda crazy ...
the game starts in less than 90 minutes.
Well, I guess we showed Carlos who's boss
what with that three game suspension
by HuskerCorner on Jun 28, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
But he won't be with the team
until after the All Star Game.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
There's an ESPN phone interview with him out there already on their website.
Don’t stone me if that’s old news!
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
(calling Steve Stone to tell you Z should play first...)
Oh. DON’T Stone you.
by Steven Schweickert on Jun 28, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, at least don't bogart it, dude.
I think Stoney has the hots for him.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I bet he gets to stay cuz he's our "ace".
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 28, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd say at this point he's a pair of jacks.
A decent hole hand, but you don’t know if it’ll work great or blow up in your face…
by Steven Schweickert on Jun 28, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
another 3-letter word that begins with "a"
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
Hendry is on CTL right now.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Z is going into a treatment program right away.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Chronic Pretend Syndrome
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 28, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
He is going to be evaluated by doctors....
…he wont be back with the team before the AS break.
“He needs to get help, he can deal with apoligies later”
Anger Management=Stress Management=the new Alcohol Addiction
“I can’t help it, theses feelings make me do it” clears up whenever you hand him 50 million dollars.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
wha...ohhh...niccccccceeeee...
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry, but that's just a dumbass comparison
Are you trying to say people don’t actually have an addiction to alcohol?
by HuskerCorner on Jun 28, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I'm saying Celebs and athletes use those as excuses for problems
and go right back on with their lives after breezing through a program, never taking it seriously.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Replying to this will get me banned.
But this is the stupidest comment I’ve ever read here.
And I say that with no hyperbole. WTF, Sandberg?
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
I know it's a bunch of baloney, but Hendry seems to finally be making the right move.
Get this suspension over with, get Z back in the dugout, get some value for him.
I assume that the last 72 hours of “relentlessly rail on Z whenever possible” didn’t have the right effect re: trade value.
A day of other GMs laughing in your face can cause you to reevaluate your strategy.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
maybe the doctors will convert him to a catcher
start with that doctor in FLA who gave the HGH to Rick Ankiel.
The Cubs have a knack for turning catchers into pitchers, maybe they can go into reverse with Z. His hitting may be an improvement over our current catchers
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
there was speculation ...
that he could be shipped to another team with another bad contract. See MLBTraderumors link above.
I'm not advocating anything.
I’m just saying that if the Cubs are going to put him through counseling, he’s probably not going to get traded.
he never was
Especially after the moronic “bullpen” move.
The best way to show his value was to let him pitch.
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
I wonder if Hendry is finally realizing that his "slash and burn" strategy wasn't good for Z's value.
This seems like a rather sudden about-face. Better late than never, I guess.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
Or it could be like he said
that they have been working with MLB and Z’s agent the last two days to get to this point.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
There was no point in attacking Z all weekend.
Even if everything Hendry said was true (and it may not have been), it was stupid and counterproductive.
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You know what? None of us
have had to walk in Hendry’s shoes so I’m not going to condemn him. We have no idea of the stuff that may have been going on with Z in the past weeks, months, or years. I don’t care what he said about Z.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Several of us have had to deal with employee/staff situations like Z/Hendry.
There are ways to handle these situations, and the Cubs’ handling of the situation was beyond abysmal.
I don’t need to walk in Jim Hendry’s shoes to understand that, and neither do you. When you’re trying to get someone else to take Z’s contract, it’s a bad idea to go on TV and talk about how it’s a terrible contract. If you want someone to take one of your pitchers, there’s no point in saying that he’s in the bottom third of the NL. If you’re eventually going to send him to anger management courses, it’s probably a bad idea to tell the initially press that anger management courses aren’t going to work.
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Maybe if you repeat this
a few more times in this thread it will make you feel better.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Ooh, snark.
I’m sure that the situation will work itself out if we all think positive and trust Jim. He seems to have a handle on it.
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Couldn't see the real him.
He went back to the doctor
To get another shrink
He sat and told him about his weekend
But he never betrays what he thinks.
"Nothing can happen till you swing the bat."
-Haruko Haruhara
by windycitywarrior on Jun 28, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it bad I tried googling that to see if it was a literary reference?
Or do we just have a budding poet on our hands here?
by Steven Schweickert on Jun 28, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Guess you're not a Who fan.
Although I did take some liberties with the lyrics.
"Nothing can happen till you swing the bat."
-Haruko Haruhara
by windycitywarrior on Jun 28, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Not MUCH of a Who fan.
Didn’t recognize it.
by Steven Schweickert on Jun 28, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Can You See the Real Me?
From Quadrophenia.
by Josh Timmers on Jun 28, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah... I would not have gotten that. :(
by Steven Schweickert on Jun 28, 2010 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
That particular album
and the movie associated with it had a big influence on my high school days.
by Josh Timmers on Jun 28, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Caption:
“What did Trammell mean when he said I have more Chins than a Shanghai phone book?”
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
+30 BCB points for Shanghai phone book ref
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
hendry is talking about the zambrano situation right now
by braziliancubsfan on Jun 28, 2010 5:51 PM CDT reply actions
on CSN?
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
i guess so, but i'm hearing it via radio
by braziliancubsfan on Jun 28, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
well, looks like he'll stay in the bullpen, he'll be basically be suspended for 5 games without pay, then he'll go on the MLB restricted list
and he needs to visit doctors.The earliest that he can comeback is immediately after the All Star game
by braziliancubsfan on Jun 28, 2010 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
hendry is talking about the zambrano situation right now
by braziliancubsfan on Jun 28, 2010 5:51 PM CDT reply actions
Twice at the same time?
"Nothing can happen till you swing the bat."
-Haruko Haruhara
by windycitywarrior on Jun 28, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
This tea has gone from 'bad'
to ‘comically ’bad’. It’s much more enjoyable this way.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jun 28, 2010 5:53 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Team
Damnit
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jun 28, 2010 5:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Dinners with Ozzie fix everything.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Dinners with Ozzie
Sounds like a talk-show. Watch out Oprah!
"Nothing can happen till you swing the bat."
-Haruko Haruhara
by windycitywarrior on Jun 28, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Boiled down to take it like a man, Carlos on ESPN website. Per Ozzie.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly
I would watch that show. Put it on Ovation or Sundance and you can have Ozzie discussing sculpture with Julian Schnabel.
Or the new Wallace Shawn movie—“My Dinner with Ozzie.”
by Josh Timmers on Jun 28, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
For what it's worth, I can't believe that the Cubs were bitching about Z's dinner with Ozzie.
If he hadn’t already had dinner plans with Ozzie, I may have mandated it. Who better to talk to Z right now?
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Heh
I thought you were talking about that nasty fermented tea they used to sell at Whole Foods until just recently. I had a friend that would drink it to “purify her chakra” or something like that.
you are referring to Kombucha :-)
Whole Foods will sell it again once the label states that there are modest levels of alcohol in it, due to the fermentation process.
some of the fermented fruit flavors are not bad.
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
Yeah, that's the stuff
I’ve only tried it once. I thought it had gone bad but was assured otherwise. No exactly my cup of tea, so to speak. I prefer my fermented beverages in barley format.
no argument from me.
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
Well, it's official:
The Cubs make baseball players go insane.
They've been doing that to the fans for decades though.
"Nothing can happen till you swing the bat."
-Haruko Haruhara
by windycitywarrior on Jun 28, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
So was Los Z put on the restricted list?
If so who comes back up? Stevens?
Thanks, we arent all blessed with CSN
or local Chicago radio
oh yeah, do I have to change my Los Tres desktop now? :(
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 28, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
What exactly is the "restricted list"?
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
I was curious about that also
Why dr in NYC? Is there a specific dr MLB wants him to see? Are there not many psychs in the greater chicago area?
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 28, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
It's used
for players who are not able or willing to fulfill their contract for various reasons. Originally it was used for salary holdouts, but since those don’t happen anymore, it’s used for people who are in trouble with the law or have substance abuse problems or are otherwise incapacitated but not by a physical injury. You don’t have to pay players when they go on, but you usually do because otherwise MLBPA challenges the circumstances of the restricted list and will claim they belong on the DL instead.
by Josh Timmers on Jun 28, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Rule 15:
Players who fail to report to the team or who fail to sign an agreed-upon contract with the team. Players on this list do not count towards the Reserved List (40 man) or Active List (25 man) limits. Players on the restricted list do not receive pay, and may not sign with another team. A player may remain on this list for two consecutive years before he is removed – either activated or released. Often, placing a player on the Restricted List is akin to releasing him without fully relinquishing his rights. However, sometimes younger international signees can be placed on the Restricted List while they are finishing school.
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
thanks two you both :)
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 28, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Then keep him on the list for at least the rest o fthe year
Tough love is the only way he will ultimate learn right behavior.
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Jun 28, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Link fail.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
My first prediction
We will sweep Pittsburgh. Ramirez seems to have found his swing again and that plus the a daily dose of Colvin should do the trick. Of course Theriot as leadoff could offset all that good news.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
wasnt he a better option than E P?
by cozmotaylor123 on Jun 28, 2010 6:09 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
the very poor man's pedrioa
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
anyone want to guess as to how many pitches Theriot will
face in his first AB?
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
Does it count as "facing a pitch"
if you foul on on the first one?
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
so Allie is saying the only reason Theriot will have a two pitch AB
is because he will fail at making an out on the first pitch by hitting it foul.
Your logic is sound.
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
Foul out, weak pop fly,
grounder to short.
Who knows.
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
He hit his head on his car door this morning and woke up in bizaro land
16
Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.
I think 16 is the over/under on the total pitches Theriot faces for all 3 games
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
That's what she said
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
How low does Theriot's OBP have to go before Lou stops putting him at the top of the batting order?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 28, 2010 6:11 PM CDT reply actions
Well, first
Lou will have to learn what OBP is…
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
Caption: Who let the dog out?
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
funny....hi eths!
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 28, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Hi Coolio - I'm just quickly checking the pre-game thread before turning the lights out.
It’s 1:30 AM and I gotta be at work in about 7 hours.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
whoa thats late, sweet dreams!
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 28, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
....dream of the Cubs winning!
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 28, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we're gonna need some of that bavarian kool-aid tonight.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd go for a reisling instead of beer personally
granted I normally only have one so my order won’t really matter lol
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 28, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Reisling is a very fine product.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I figured you meant beer not wine
I agree that it is.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 28, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh I like both.
I probably prefer Liebfraumilch with wine or my dad’s…he’s great at making his own stuff from his various fruit supply around the farm.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm fond of Bocksbeutel from Franken (Franconia in northern Bavaria)
When I wake up, I WANT TO SEE A WIN!
Eamus Catuli & Guten Nacht
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
Schlafen Sie Schon, eths.
Let’s hope you are sipping on some cubbie kool-aid when you wake up.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
There was an episode of Seinfeld, I think ...
where there was a character who didn’t break up with people well. Sounds like the Cubs.
Z ordered to get treatment
On the restricted list until at least 15 July. That should get the Cubs back to a 25-man roster.
Too bad Z in all likelyhood deep down inside doesn’t think he did anything wrong.
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/cubs-waiting-for-decision-on-zambrano-suspension.html
Just win the next game...!
Would it have been so hard for Hendry to give today's presser on Friday?
I mean, the restricted list stuff had to get hashed out with MLB and MLBPA, and that took some time.
But the whole “Z is going to address his anger, he’s going to take a week or so away, he’ll apologize to the team, and we’ll move on” plan was 100% called for from jump street. He could have used this kind of rhetoric from the beginning, and the situation would have been substantially defused.
Instead, these jokers spend an entire weekend saying ridiculous stuff about how Z sucks, and how anger management isn’t going to work so why bother, and how he’s obviously not the same pitcher since he signed his contract, and how we’d rather play with 24 men than have him around.
Better late than never, but this weekend’s events justify Hendry’s dismissal. He is a lousy roster architect in the long-term, and he’s lousy at crisis management for the short-term… why is the guy being kept around?
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I would think they also needed to get Z and his agent and his lawyer to agree with the deal.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Obviously, the restricted list stuff takes time.
But the tone could have been the same. Every statement we’ve gotten from Hendry to this point has been strident and attacking and belittling Z. Tonight, it’s all about rebuilding bridges and redemption and rehabilitation.
Instead of saying things like “Z has been a pitcher in the bottom third of the league for his last 40 to 50 starts”, Hendry could have made a statement that stressed that Z’s behavior was unacceptable, and that he’d be taking some time away from the team, and that he’d need to apologize for his actions, while still being respectful and at least keeping up the charade that you might consider keeping him, rather than eating his entire deal to move him.
It was a comical, amateurish, borderline childish performance by Hendry, and it could have only hurt the Cubs organization.
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Agreed. It is nice to have figured out action and try to put the incident behind us.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Funny that Soriano and Dempster seem to understand this, while Hendry did not.
SORIANO: "He knows what he has to do. He’s smart. What he did on Friday was due to the emotion of the game. He worried about the team. He tried to wake the team up. Like I said, he did it at the wrong time."
DEMPSTER: "I truly believe through the toughest times a true team unites and doesn’t let anybody get in their way. We’re going to stick together, fight through this and do everything we can."
HENDRY: “If you look at his last 50 starts, he probably ranks in the bottom third in the National League of overall performance. I’m not saying that critically. That’s not something that I’m tying in with today.”
(will he take anger management courses?)
HENDRY: “We’ve been through that already. I think Good Teammate 101 would be before that.”
And now tonight: Anger Management courses!
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me too...on the love and the tears
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 28, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
What's the occasion? His career?
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
yes...its 50 years in the MLB
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 28, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
AH...very cool! Can't get comcast here...:( hope they honor him well!
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
they will fly a 50 years flag for the rest of the home games I think
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jun 28, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
that sounds awesome.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 28, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Completely OT:
Is there a story behind your usage of Tsukishima Aoba as your profile pic?
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