From The Ridiculous To The Even More Ridiculous: Cubs vs. Pirates Preview, Tuesday 6/29, 7:05 CT
by Al Yellon on Jun 29, 2010 5:00 PM CDT
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PrintWhen I went to PNC Park last September -- a series the Cubs swept, hard to believe only nine months later -- I ran into a man with his nine-year-old son. You know, the kind of relationship where a father introduces his son to baseball and his team and the loyalty that can engender, and the hope for winning in the future. He told me, "We love baseball and come to many games, but we never expect the Pirates to win."
All he had to do was wait for them to play the 2010 Cubs.
Apart from their 8-2 record vs. the Cubs, the Pirates are 18-48 this year.
Apart from their 3-1 record at Wrigley Field, the Pirates are 7-30 on the road this year. Other than Wrigley, they have won more than one road game in exactly one other park: Miller Park. Not completely surprising, since the Brewers are worse at home than on the road.
Apart from their 5-1 record in one-run games against the Cubs, the Pirates are 8-11 in one-run games this year.
Before yesterday, the Pirates were 3-19 in their last 22 games.
And yet, they come into Wrigley Field and Paul Maholm looks like Sandy Koufax and Octavio Dotel looks like Mariano Rivera.
It makes no sense. But there it is. The two teams will play again tonight. Oh, and Lou? It's going to be coolish and the wind is going to be blowing in again. Don't expect anyone to go up there and hit home runs.
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Tonight's pitching matchup is a rematch of the game on June 1 at PNC Park. Guess what? Ted lost, but it wasn't his fault -- he threw 7.2 good innings. As usual for this season, the Cubs didn't score enough runs for him. The only runs that day -- and four of the seven hits -- came from Xavier Nady, who hit a two-run homer.
Ted is still second-to-last (73rd out of 74 qualified starters) in run support in the National League. So, you're thinking, maybe he could throw a shutout and hit a home run himself to win the game?
That'd be great, but Ted has no career HR and is 0-for-19 at the plate this year.
Today's game is on WGN and FSN Pittsburgh. Here is the complete MLB.com Mediacenter for today.
Baseball-reference.com game preview
Please visit our SB Nation Pirates site Bucs Dugout.
Today's first pitch thread will be up at 7 pm CDT, and the overflows will post at 8, 9 and 9:45 pm CDT.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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I wish I had a witty comment to make or
some pithy observation. But I think every thing that needs to be said has been said already. Time for the Cubs to win their one game of the series.
Lineup according to Carrie...
rf fuke, 2b riot, 1b lee, 3b ramy, cf colvin, lf sori, c hill, ss castro, p lilly
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
So today's line up
Up first: Walk or Strike out
Second: First Pitch Swinging ground out
Third : 4 pitch ground out
Fourth: Strike out
Fifth: Might get a hit
Sixth: Strike out on a low and away off speed pitch
Seventh: Fly out to left flied
Eight: Ground out on an off speed pitch
Ninth: Pitcher who doesn’t hit it out of the infield
Repeat 3 times then go home losing to the pirates 2 to 0.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jun 29, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Al: You do know that cruel and unusual punishment is unconstitutional.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
Be that the case,
One should never go to Busch Stadium or US Cellular Field.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10....
State high point count: 2/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 29, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Then why do FOX and ESPN get to force Buck/McCarver and Morgan on us?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10....
State high point count: 2/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 29, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I actually don't mind Joe Buck
He’s better than Dick Stockton.
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
Not difficult
BTW: Hawk Harrelson’s first broadcasting job was alongside Dick Stockton.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
That would have rendered me both blind and deaf.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10....
State high point count: 2/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 29, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 29, 2010 5:15 PM CDT reply actions
I think, I better dare not ask if Preparation H is what I think it is.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
So are you saying the cubs are a bunch of burning sphincter?
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jun 29, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
They wouldn't have burning sphincters
If they didn’t eat so much bacon!
"Nothing can happen till you swing the bat."
-Haruko Haruhara
by windycitywarrior on Jun 29, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
They could just use this.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10....
State high point count: 2/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 29, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I can already feel the diarrhea coming on!
J&D’s is truly one of the worlds greatest companies.
"Nothing can happen till you swing the bat."
-Haruko Haruhara
by windycitywarrior on Jun 29, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Just saw this on Twitter
@FakeStoney Look, did you now that bats are great pets? Zambrano keeps them in his belfry. #cubs
@FakeLouPiniella
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
OT: WHOA
Jon Morosi says redsox discussed Fontenot before acquiring Patterson. Interesting.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
They should have just taken Theriot.
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
by lexmarklover on Jun 29, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah hes hitting .283 thats not bad
"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.
by jesus christos on Jun 29, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
hes been pretty good at stealing bases ....
"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.
by jesus christos on Jun 29, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
If Hendry is so nice to players
He should of moved Fontenot because Lou is not going to play him.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jun 29, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
With that kind of run support,
It’s not wonder Ted Lilly’s W-L record is misleading. Again, all the more reason why ERA is a better judge of a pitcher.
Now, about the Cubs bats….
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10....
State high point count: 2/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 29, 2010 5:20 PM CDT reply actions
WHIP is much better than ERA
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jun 29, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Again, this is why I'm not a stats guy.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10....
State high point count: 2/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 29, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
His 1.07 WHIP hasn't helped
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
That's my point
His WHIP is Very good. I think Lilly has pitched even better than his ERA suggests.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jun 29, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Couldn't this line be used for
most of the pitchers on the roster?
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
His W/L
is indicative of how poor the Cubs hitting is.
"Is there any truth to the rumor that the Bears gave up their first-round pick in 2011 for the decals?" - Someone registered as the DailyNorseman at PFT suggesting the Bears gave up picks in order to get Gaines Adams tribute decals. Stay classy Minnesota fans!
The worst part of this year is that there are no escuses for them being so bad
other than they just are playing like shit
Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.
I'll watch and
I’ll cheer but my heart is not in it. :-(
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Can't blame you
it’s hard to be anything other than disappointed.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 29, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Spoken like a woman with a headache.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 29, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Time to call the kids up.
I would be excited about the trading deadline to see what we get but I don’t expect much.
Salary relief might be the best we can hope for and in an economic downturn teams won’t be eager to trade for that either.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jun 29, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
LIES
Your heart will be pumping when the Cubs beat these clowns!
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
It will be pumping if they lose too.
I refuse to let them kill me. :P
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
The Cubs will kill us all.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Cubs Baseball is on the Air... God help us...
Bluto: Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.
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"Why people, who have not committed any punishable offense, listen to Country and Western music is absolutely beyond me" - John Cleese
by Endrick on Jun 29, 2010 5:39 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
That's actually a wormhole to an alternate universe
where the Cubs win it every year, the Cardinals are a AAA affiliate, and the White Sox were contracted.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
And the Yankees haven't won the Series since 1908)
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jun 29, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
This is inaccurate depiction of the cubs season.
They have already crossed the Event Horizon, they just don’t know it yet.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jun 29, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Physics question: But would you ever know it?
From an outside perspective, you’d be gone, but who knows what you’d perceive as you got closer to the singularity?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
No.
From the outside the object will seem to be approaching it fast, then slow, then seem to stop. From the outside the object will seem to have stopped and will be there forever. I may suck at spelling, but I know my science.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
But what about the perception from inside the "clubhouse"
What would the chemistry be like?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Pretty much the same.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jun 29, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
You should have asked that before.
From inside the clubhouse, things seem to be normal. The chemistry is like it always has been. It’s only from the outside that things seem different.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
I believe
The gravity would be so intense that your body would be pulled in every direction at once leaving you just a pile of protons and neutrons.
But I could be wrong.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jun 29, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
So if the existence of God particles would make you feel guilty...
…does that mean they have Catholic mass?
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
There are all sorts of good physics/Catholic jokes I could make here
But i’m not starting a holy war on BCB
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jun 29, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm just glad we've started losing in the 8/9th innings again
games being over from the first inning was getting exhausting.
if we’re gonna lose, can’t it at least be interesting?
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
hilariously awful
:-P
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
Maybe this is just Madness?
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jun 29, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty sure the Cubs already stopped playing the 1st and 2nd game of each series
Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.
My personal win loss record is awful this year.
Ugh and yet I still go.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I read an article in SI about a dude who went to a lot of Natioanls games(I want to say 32) last year and they were all losses
Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.
My buddy is 1-13 after last night.
The only win he’s seen, he was by himself. Ouch.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
In all fairness
it’s not like they win a lot when you’re not there either.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 29, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Stop picking on Lou
He didn’t get to have dinner with his daughter. It’s all so confusing for him and he just doesn’t know what he can do.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Lay off I'm starving
Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.
Lilly deserves better.
As in, a better team.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jun 29, 2010 6:23 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed. But which team has the cojones to handle the Ted Lilly?
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jun 29, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't we all?
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Who's more wasted on this team:
Byrd or Lilly?
Byrd does get trotted out there everyday.
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
Lilly.
Byrd is not that good, he’s just been lucky
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jun 29, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
But the question is if Lilly goes, who replaces him? Or what can the Cubs do to improve their offense?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, July 10....
State high point count: 2/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 29, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Will the Cubs win or lose tonight?
♪♫The answer my friend, is blowing in the wind…♫♪
"Nothing can happen till you swing the bat."
-Haruko Haruhara
by windycitywarrior on Jun 29, 2010 6:28 PM CDT reply actions
The Cubs are 2-8 on Tuesdays this year
We beat Colorado & LA on successive Tuesdays last month, and that was it, no more wins on Tuesdays.
Pittsburgh has beat the Cubs TWICE on Tuesdays already this year.
If we lose again today, then the Cubs will have lost on ALL Tuesdays in the month of June, which would apparently be easy for them to do because the Cubs have lost on ALL Fridays this month as well.
In short, Tuesdays (and Fridays) have not been kind to this 2010 ball club.
You know the Cubs aren't doing well
when we start going into BS stats territory.
"Nothing can happen till you swing the bat."
-Haruko Haruhara
by windycitywarrior on Jun 29, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I always knew it was Tuesday's fault.
And I’m not so sure about those other days either. I’m keeping my eye on them.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 29, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh good, ARAM's back at cleanup
who WOULDN’T want to face a lineup that has a cleanup hitter with a .301 slugging average.
Okay, kids. Let's
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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
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