Rumor: Lee to Angels
by airweino on Jun 3, 2010 12:27 AM CDT
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PrintI am surprise no one has posted this trade rumor yet, but think it definitely warrants discussion.
According to Chicago Tribune sources, the Cubs and Angels are involved in talks surrounding trading our beloved first baseman Derrek Lee to the Angels to replace their recently injured first baseman Kendry Morales.
Is this a good idea now at this point in the season given how poorly we have played?
What kind of return could we expect or who should we target?
Who replaces Derrek at first if he is dealt? Nady?
I have also read elsewhere that the Angels have been in contact with the White Sox about trading for Paul Konerko as well. Should we try and beat Kenny Williams to the punch here?
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Ask for Mike Trout
Won’t get him, but ask.
Actually, Trevor Bell would be one guy to ask for who we could realistically get. (And maybe one more guy too, depending on how much salary we’d eat.) It would be really appropriate since he’s Bozo the Clown’s grandson. If he can throw ping pong balls into buckets, I bet he can throw a strike.
Trout would be a dream
Lee is borderline type-A though, so the ability to offer arb and get 2 high draft picks if he declines can’t be discounted.
I think the only way we’d get Trout is if they wanted Lilly as well (who should definitely be a type-A). Those two plus 4 high draft picks would be enough I’d think, with the margin being made up by who takes on what portion of the salaries.
Other guys I’d be happy with for Lee:
Peter Bourjos
Garrett Richards
Tyler Skaggs
by Castro Por Presidente on Jun 3, 2010 2:58 AM CDT up reply actions
On second thought
I think we should just be happy with the supplemental pick for Lee (and maybe a first rounder if he’s a type A). There’s too many options at first for the Angels to give up much of anything valuable.
If Lee was having a good year offensively it’d be a different story. ..Sigh.. Here’s hoping he catches fire this week.
by Castro Por Presidente on Jun 3, 2010 4:40 AM CDT up reply actions
its one of the reasons both teams
might be amenable to a Nady trade
Nady would cost less for the Angels, offer some mild flexibility since he can move to the OF if they find another deal they like
and the Cubs could still have the opportunity to offer Lee arb next year (which is really their best play with him) to either get the draft picks or get him as a 1 year fill-in until the 2011 1B FA class
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 3, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You & I don't often agree.
However, this might be the best way to do it. It still probably wouldn’t happen until next month.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
don't see why a deal for Nady couldn't happen now
a deal for Lee i agree would take a lot more time. there’s a NTC to work out, there’s the idea of “selling off the season” before you’re ready to, etc
but Nady??? He comes with none of that. Trading him just clears some of the roster clog and might force Lou to play Colvin a bit more. Those are all good things from the front office perspective
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 3, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the insight
I wasn’t clear how the draft pick rules applied to Lee and Lilly. That does add a further angle that may keep them with the Cubs all year – another team has to offer compensation better than the picks the Cubs would receive.
But would a team that trades for them be in line to get draft picks, too? Or could that be negotiated in the trade deal?
we shouldn't offer arb to lilly
you don’t offer arb to guys you don’t want back at a price similar to their salary
some would say Lee fits in that camp as well, but we don’t have an in-house replacement for Lee so might as well offer him arb
Lilly is a different story since we have plenty of rotation options for next season
As to your questions:
The team acquiring would have the same arb rights we had. So yes technically they would be in position to acquire those picks IF they wanted to offer the player Arbitration. I’m not sure with the Angels roster situation if they have the flexibility to be able to offer Lee arb in case he accepts
The thing is if the player accepts Arb you don’t get any draft picks. At this point in his career there’s a decent chance Lee accepts Arb if he has down a year
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 3, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
you only get draft picks
if you offer the player Arb, they decline and sign with another team
and those draft picks are based on the elias rating of the player and the team’s draft position that signs him
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 3, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I think
Lily has pitched well enough to get a multi-year deal on the market, even with draft pick compensation. And if he doesn’t, getting Lily on a one year deal isn’t so bad.
My greater concern is Hendry not offering arbitration to any of these guys because he may place a higher priority on the players and their percepion of him than the team’s best interest.
DEJESUS!!!
Lilly is clearer case than Lee I think
If you buy into WAR, Lilly has consistently outperformed his contract. One more season at around 12M wouldn’t hurt.
by Castro Por Presidente on Jun 3, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
i dont think either of you
are looking at how lilly is pitching THIS YEAR
I’ve been posting about this a lot over the last 2 weeks, but his peripherals are AWFUL. His xFIP and FIP are both in the high 4’s, his walks are up, K’s are down, HR’s are up, velocity way down and worst of all…. he’s had a pretty light opposing schedule so far (getting the Pirates a couple times)
I’m expecting based on the way Lilly is pitching right now that he’ll pitch himself out of garnering interest from other teams on a multi year deal
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 3, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
that being said
if his results at the end of the year look like they do now, perhaps its worth the risk that someone else will go after him
i’m just a big believer that 2011 is the season to get a lot of young guys experience and if Lilly were to accept then you’d have rotation spots committed to Zambrano, Dempster, Lilly, Silva, leaving just 1 spot open for Wells, Gorz, Cashner, Jackson
that’s not the ideal situation for a developing ballclub
and if Lilly accepts its not like the Braves situation with Rafael Soriano this offseason where he’ll be a wanted commodity at 12-13 million only a few clubs could even consider him and those (Red Sox, Yanks) wouldn’t view him as capable enough to fill their rotation
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 3, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree 100% on 2011
I actually think the Cubs should be working really hard to trade Lilly now. I also have not been impressed with his starts this year. I actually think that Tom Gorzellany might already be the better pitcher and certainly will be the better pitcher moving forward.
As far as 2011, depending on how Wells, Gorz and Silva finish the season, I want three rotation spots open for Gorz, Jackson, Cashner or Wells. Assuming Silva finishes the year strong and Wells and Gorz look like good options for the 4th and 5th spot moving forward, I think Silva should be dealt in the off-season. Considering injuries and the fact that neither Jackson nor Cashner wi necessarily be able to pitch a full season, having 6 guys for the 5 spots will be a good thing. But, we definitely need to find out what we have in those 4 guys using the rest of this season and 2011.
by JSB on Jun 3, 2010 9:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
5 straight quality starts with not great peripherals
You’ve listed some valid concerns, and I’d reassess my position at the end of the year if his peripherals didn’t improve to closer where they’ve been the last 3 years. I suppose it’s possible he’s lost some of his stuff permanently, but right now I think it’s more likely that he’s still finding his stride (remember that he didn’t get spring training this year).
There are actually quite a few teams that I could see being interested in Lilly for a couple years. Angels, Ms, Rangers, Philly, Tigers, Dodgers, and Mets.
by Castro Por Presidente on Jun 3, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
Best argument for a trade I have seen in a while.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 3, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I like this one.
"It's Spring Training. You know how many home runs Barry Bonds hit off me? One - in Spring Training." - Big Z
I'll pass on Bell
Personal preference. He’s a tool. Unfortunately I have personal experience with him.
That and his inconsistency is frustrating.
"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella
I'd pass on Bell
largely because we have a lot of Bell’s. I don’t see him as being anything more than an end of the rotation/middle reliever type. I’d rather take random Low A toolsy kid than adding a Bell-type.
I would be amazed
if Lee got dealt. Not to say it can’t happen, I would just be quite surprised due to his NTC and he desire to finish his career with the Cubs.
What desire to finish his career with the Cubs?
I’ve never had the impression that Lee is so enamored with the team. Not saying he’s not happy here, but I’ve never had the impression that he’s gung ho about sticking around.
by Holtzmaniac on Jun 3, 2010 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought I heard
that he’s made comments on how he’d like to finish in Chicago. I don’t recall where though.
by portlandcubfan on Jun 3, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
He's a free agent at the end of the year
No reason he couldn’t re-sign with the Cubs if the Cubs wanted him back next season.
He’s also got no promises that the Cubs want him back next year.
Right
He’s potentially gone at the end of the year, so it’d be his preference of whether he’d rather stay put or potentially contend this season with a different team. Given that the Angels aren’t assured of being in the playoffs, nor are the Cubs assured of not being in the playoffs, I could see arguments for why might want to stay or go.
The Cubs have given zero
signs that they want Lee back next year, so there’s a solid chance he finishes his career elsewhere anyways. If he gets dealt to the Angels, he’s got a shot at the playoffs and plays closer to home.
DEJESUS!!!
If they can get something decent in return,
nobody is untouchable.
But it’s too early to run up the white flag.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 3, 2010 12:52 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed,
if the cubs would have blown up the team 2 years ago in June like so many fans wanted, we would have missed a division title (albeit, a heartbreaking ending). Its WAY too early to start unloading your veteran all stars.
If its this bad still in July, the market for guys like D-Lee will still be there.
by SportinTheRegion on Jun 3, 2010 2:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Goodness..
I don’t know why people keep holding on to 2007. The Cubs had a whopping total of 85 wins and got swept away in the playoffs. Is that the carrot to reach for instead of beginning the rebuilding process?
The sooner they dismantle this train wreck the better, and hopefully it is not Hendry doing it.
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by wicubfan on Jun 3, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
As long as it is early July,
AND if he starts hitting again.
If he does NOT start hitting by then, we will be stuck with him for the remainder of his contract.
While it might be too early.............
…………..for the white flag, I don’t think it’s too early to deal Lee.
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by tville on Jun 3, 2010 6:37 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed.
If we got the right player/s in return, dealing Lee would be a sad necessity. I love the guy, but he’s underperforming.
"Sir,--It has been wittily remarked that there are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third and most aggravated is statistics." *The National Observer* (June 13, 1891): p. 93-94.
thought that might be the only reason
it’s too early to deal him. Wait to deal him because you want his hitting to improve and thus raise his value. Don’t wait because you think the Cubs are going to magically turn into a good team.
DEJESUS!!!
And by 2 years
I meant 3. Counting = not my strong point apparently.
by SportinTheRegion on Jun 3, 2010 2:47 AM CDT reply actions
Hopefully
Lee can rebound a bit here. It would either a) get the Cubs back to respectibility and b) improve the market/increase their return rate.
I’m thankful for what Lee has given us since 2004, but this team needs major changes, both to their roster and their psyche.
Scott Bora$ is satan.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Jun 3, 2010 6:09 AM CDT reply actions
I don't see this happening.
If anyone goes to the Angels, it might be Xavier Nady.
Also, I doubt anyone from the Cubs is talking trade right now; they’re very busy planning for next week’s draft.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
that's what cst_cubs says in his latest tweet from last night.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
besides timing ...
why don’t you think this is happening, Al?
Mostly timing.
I don’t see the Cubs making any deals until July, if then. By July we should know better whether this season is a completely lost one.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I think
the Cubs will be buyers by the end of June or sellers right after teh ASG
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That's a pretty bold statement.
What makes you think this team will turn it around?
wait ...
I’m not sure what you’re saying, hansman.
Agreed
Trading Lee is giving up on the season. I don’t see that until happening until July.
Of course, teams talk about possible trades all the time. Hendry may have talked to the Angels but I don’t think anything is serious right now.
I disagree.
From a competitive standpoint, I don’t think trading Lee is giving up on the year at all.
But from a PR standpoint, I think it is. And as such, I’d be shocked if this happened.
Agree...
…unless, the Angels are desperate and make the Cubs an offer they can’t refuse.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
An offer you can't refuse isn't the Angels style either
Look at the Texeira deal. That was a similar situation with a rent-a-player. The Angels gave up Casey Kotchman who they didn’t really like due to his lack of power at a power position. That was for Texeira who was a better player and who they had hoped that they might be able to resign.
If a potential offer...
…doesn’t knock your socks off, you simply don’t do anything.
At the end of the day, this is going to be Rickett’s call, not Hendry’s. In about 30 days, it will be very interesting to see what the Cubs do if they aren’t in better position then they are today. It will give us all an insight into what Rickett’s long term plans are for building a consistant winner.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
If the Angels are just looking at a temporary fill-in while Morales heals
they are more likely to be after Nady. That may be deal that has to be struck soon – the Angels would be looking for that player now, not in a few weeks. At this point, I would say that if the Angels make a good offer, the Cubs should deal – Nady is not a key future piece and that may be the best offer available for him.
More importantly
He plays positions where we have some firmly entrenched starting options, and have some other younger guys who could probably use some more playing time.
Don't believe this for a second
This is not how the Angels operate. Someone is talking out of their backside with this. A pipe dream concocted by people with nothing better to do.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
if
you have no intention of bringing lee back next year then yes trade him.
I say do it. Nady can play most of the time, and I know his defense is pretty bad, but I say slowly start to transition Soriano to first. Opens up a spot for Colvin in the outfield too. I’ve been telling some friends I think they should do this for a while now, but I was thinking after Derrek became a FA.
This isn't Nintendo
You don’t just moving players around in the middle of a season to a position that they have never played before.
We put him in CF with no experience once... and that's a lot more difficult than 1B.
I don’t think it’s very hard to be a league-average 1B. Then again, I’m not sure Soriano can do it at all.
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Didn't he start there on opening day 07?
I vaguely remember him there for about a week until Lou got some brains. That was when Lou actually cared though.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 3, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually...
the Angels did just that on Sunday. Mike Napoli made his first-ever regular season appearance at first base against the Mariners.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
However.
Napoli did play 1B in the minors. 1B is the easiest position on the defensive spectrum, and likely very easy for a good defensive catcher to move to.
The Cubs played Henry Blanco at 1B for several games in 2006 after Derrek Lee’s injury. He had played only one previous game in the majors at 1B (nine years earlier, in 1997, and that was half of the last game of the season after the Dodgers had started pulling their regulars).
Blanco, as I recall, did a pretty good job at 1B for the Cubs. Napoli could do the same thing for the Angels.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
playng blanco at 1b
no matter how good defensively is hurts your team WILDLY
now Napoli can actually hit enough to hold his own at 1B, so its a bit of a different position for the Angels
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 3, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, yes, I know about Blanco's offense, etc etc etc
At the time, the Cubs had few other choices, and that team was awful. Just pointing out how a good defensive catcher could do a credible job at first base.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
they can
its just not advisable because in most cases the offensive benchmarks couldn’t be any further in difference
a very few catchers you’d be willing to do this with, Napoli could be one of them because of his offensive talent. Victor Martinez is another, but its a rare breed
otherwise you’re taking away so much with the bat that it doesn’t matter if they’re even competent their defensively
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 3, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
True in most cases.
Obviously, Blanco only did it in an emergency. Napoli and Martinez made sense. The Mets tried this with Mike Piazza, but he wasn’t good defensively.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
If 1B is the easiest position,
why can’t anybody play it?
by mic on Jun 4, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I played 1st base for a while...
…and while it is not a difficult position, it does require a guy to have good footwork and decent hands.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Jun 4, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Turn this green.
Soriano has neither “good footwork” nor “decent hands”.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
+12
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 4, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't expect Soriano to fail because he has "bad footwork" and "bad hands."
I’d expect him to fail because he wouldn’t be “heads up” enough.
With that said, I wouldn’t mind the Cubs moving him to first for awhile if Lee gets traded. If this season is a wash (and it’s looking like it is), this seams like a logical way to get the beloved Colvin in as a regular starter.
I don’t like how much of Fukudome’s contract the Cubs will have to eat to trade him this season, so moving him doesn’t quite seem like an option. Marlon Byrd is here to stay. Left field seems like the best option.
If a lug like Jason Giambi or Prince Fielder can play first base, I think Soriano can too. And hey, he hits the low ball pretty well, who says he can’t scoop it out at first!
by mic on Jun 4, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
it is a lot easier than most
if you can hit most teams will accept sub par defense at 1B
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by lookingdeadred on Jun 4, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed. I think even Soriano could pull it off.
It’s really not that tough. Of course, Soriano’s primary defensive strength is in his arm, and that barely comes into play at 1B.
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Soriano could be a decent 1B
not a gold glover like DLee, but decent enough. That move would open up LF for Colvin, and it would be good to see if he is able to play everyday in the bigs.
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by lookingdeadred on Jun 5, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Al beat me to it
Napoli did play 1st in the minors. I’m not saying Soriano can’t play 1st but it isn’t something you start in the middle of the season if he hasn’t played it before.
And with a player who has serious defensive limitations to begin with.
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Bwahahahaha
You are kidding, right?
Right?
Hello?
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Soriano at first?
Sorry, not taking this. That would be terrible.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 3, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that I think this will happen.
Lee won’t be a Cub next year, there is a decent replacement (Nady) on the roster and I bet Lee would be OK going to a contender on the West Coast (where he’s from).
I like Lee, and I worry that Castro’s error total will go up if Lee is an Angel. But this move kinda makes too much sense for it not to happen.
I passed on this rumor in my fanshot last night from Dave Kaplan Lou and Lee.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
Thanks for that,
if you re-read his first line airweino said he was surprised no one passed this rumor on yet. Have a great day.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
I would have waited
and said thanks after I got the medal.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
Oh, my bad.
I get annoyed when posters on blogs get excited when they’re the first ones to link to a piece of first-hand reporting — or indignant when they don’t get credit for doing so. I thought that was what you were doing.
My apologies.
No prob.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
See
Kinds words beat out getting a medal everytime.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
Not too soon at all,
the shear masochism that guy was forcing during his “He must feel worse than I do”, was hysterical.
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by OldStyle_and_Ivy on Jun 3, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Angels farm system
Do the Angels have anything in their farm system that’s worth trading for? It seems like every guy they bring up is a middle of the road spare part. Would it be even worth trading Lee there? Nady I can see for a AA player, but do they have any AA players that are better than what’s already in the Cubs system???
Kaplan said it would be for prospects and we would be sending cash,
he made it sound more of a salary dump than anything.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
According to..
… this tweet from Carrie Muskat, this isn’t happening at all:
Despite flurry of rumors, am told #Cubs have not talked to #Angels re: Xavier Nady or Derrek Lee about possible trade.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
So, by applying the Reverse Muskat Theorem, a trade of one player or the other will happen shortly.
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This is the same Carrie Muskat who recently claimed Nady was out of the lineup
because of elbow problems, and when he clearly wasn’t out of the lineup, she offered no explanation?
I guess I'm just a worrier, that's why my friends call me whiskers
didnt she also say that guy who played RF last year wasnt going to seattle?
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by jesus christos on Jun 3, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
It's the Reverse Muskat Theorem
She may have too much access, in that she often hears misdirection directly from Jim and Lou and re-states it with no changes.
So when the Cubs are saying things that are obviously half-true or outright misdirection, she just passes it along unchanged, while another journalist may note that the Cubs may be, say, denying a rumor in order to advance their own interests.
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by D98 on Jun 3, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
The Angels have
a very good farm system, so yes.
Problem is most of them are too good to give up for a rent-a-player like Lee.
by Josh Timmers on Jun 3, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
yes
the angels have a lot of good young pieces, but the problem is, the chances of landing any of the good young pieces (Trout, Conger, Grichuk, Reckling, Richards, Skaggs, and so forth) are quite unlikely. Think about it – corner IF who is struggling, in the last year of his deal, on the down side of his career. Lee would need to really light it up, and even then, there’s a lot of possible 1st base options that are on the market.
I don't think the season is lost yet
The starting pitching has been really good, I believe we have the 2nd most quality starts in the NL. If the starters continue to pitch that way we have a chance to turn things around and quickly. Some of the hitters need to step up and return to previous performance level and then maybe bullpen can be trusted and Lou will use it properly.
by Cubsfan Waveland on Jun 3, 2010 9:37 AM CDT reply actions
Well, you are in the
minority. Most of the beat writers (assuming Lee and A-Ram do not return to form within the next two weeks) believe the season to be toast, then. I would agree.
Which is why
I have been saying Lee & Ramirez need to be in the lineup and given a chance to turn things around. Time is running out.
by Cubsfan Waveland on Jun 4, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Not happening
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 3, 2010 10:35 AM CDT reply actions
Sounds ok
He wasn’t in the starting line-up last night due to the imfamous “tight hamstring”. Makes you wonder, don’t it? Sounds like the deal is close and Hendry wants him off the field to keep from getting injured. If they trade him, and I have no opinion either way on it, then they’re saying this season is a wash, which it appears to be. I would much rather fire Lou and let someone else take over and see where they’re at come trade deadline, but, they probably don’t think the deal could be made then. It gives Lee a shot at another ring heading into his free agency. I’m sure he’d jump at the chance.
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He wasn’t in the starting line-up last night due to the imfamous "tight hamstring". Makes you wonder, don’t it? Sounds like the deal is close and Hendry wants him off the field to keep from getting injured.
Wow, that’s a stretch. You can take your tinfoil hat off now.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
News Flash: DLEE sucks ass!
Absolutely trade him. Our bench is an upgrade over his washed-up skills. 2005 is a memory, time for someone else to step in.
If the team wanted to try to hold onto hope that they could salvage something this season,
I could see them possibly trading Lee. However, I think it’s highly unlikely. DLee has been one of the big names on this team for several years now. Trading him would be a PR nightmare, and there really is no proven backup for him at 1B … or at least none who I have seen yet.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday....
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 3, 2010 5:46 PM CDT reply actions
This team can still contend
but I think making a few changes could spark something. A change of scenery might be good for Lee. Tracy can fill in at first.
13- Warner, 23- Sandberg, 40- Tillman, 11- Walter
On the same topic of trades
With Lilly being a free agent at the end of the year, does anyone else think that with Carlos going back into the rotation, Ted maybe traded before Lee?
If they can get a top prospect for DLee, do it now
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
I guess it's worth throwing the topic out there for discussion.
But it makes me yawn knowing there’s no one listed as a replacement. Don’t care.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 4, 2010 10:52 AM CDT reply actions
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