SELIG SPEAKS! Well, sort of... Overrule: No; Replay: Waffle
MLB Commission Bud Selig finally weighs in on last night's blown call that cost Detroit Tiger's pitcher Armando Galarraga a perfect game.
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Spoken like a politician
they’ll make you laugh (at them), they’ll make you cry (tears of desperation)
Selig is a gutless punk bitch
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jun 3, 2010 2:28 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
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What a worthless slug
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 3, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
wr12: Saw that after I posted. Your header wasn't clear that Selig's comments were the focus. Sorry.
Al can delete mine or combine them as he sees fit.
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I'm deleting the other one...
… since this one had comments and the other one didn’t. Nothing personal to wrigleyrocker12.
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It's fine
Zeke is right, it didn’t really have a title.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 3, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Will Jim Joyce umpire the Duel?
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Jun 3, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
No, but it will be held here:
Al’s watching by the foul pole with the Big Gulp…
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
I'll be the guy looking like this:
Let’s get ready to RUMBLE!
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Buckminster Fuller
I always wondered what he would have thought about the Thunderdome. Maybe not the most beneficial application of his geodesic dome, but I guess any publicity is good publicity.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
I've always liked his brushes...
though he looks strangely like Red Skelton…
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bud selig: still a waste of flesh
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hes a waste of something
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by jesus christos on Jun 3, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Space, mostly.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 3, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Written by a lawyer
No one can refer to a should-be perfect game as this and not be your lawyer.
“As Jim Joyce said in his postgame comments, there is no dispute that last night’s game should have ended differently.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
I get pissed because
if it should have ended differently and everyone, including the comish believes this, then why not spare everyone the anger (fans, tigers) and sleepless nights (jim joyce) and change the ruling. Freakin’ ridiculous. I hate Bud Selig.
I am genuinely saddened
by this news. Mr. Selig, baseball doesn’t need more rules, or systemic changes. It needs leadership, sound judgment, and fairness. You’ve provided none of the above today.
NYB, I frequently disagree with the way you dramatize with your disagreement. But on this point, with this idiot, you cannot say that enough.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 3, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm exhausted by this already
incorporate replay, don’t overturn anything it leads to a slippery slope argument… what happened happened
its just like the steroid era, learn from it implement the changes that need to be made, put the best players of the generation in the hall and let the stories tell themselves
nothing “official” needs to be done for Galarraga’s perfect game to live on. It will live on by story-telling and people explaining it. Just like the steroid era. There’s no need for an asterisk, the story will be told. Lets all move on
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 3, 2010 3:38 PM CDT reply actions
I don't see much slip here
Galarraga’s in-perfect game is just one admitted mistake by an umpire. There would be no slippery slope here. Although you will want to site numerous examples that will be vastly different in context.
The steroid era is completely different. The steroid era involved events outside the actual game of baseball.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Jun 3, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you may have touched on a point here. Not that Selig needs a reason to be an idiot. It is just who he is.
But even if Selig wanted to correct a heinous error, he’s already got huge skeletons in his closet he doesn’t want re-examined. It’s sad that he looked the other way to build baseball’s coffers, and worse he works so hard to cover up mistakes after they happen. You don’t need to apologize to anyone for doing the right thing, Bud. Shame you haven’t realized that.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 3, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
slippery slope
do you make the Cardinals world champions on Denkinger’s call?
Do you credit MIlt Pappas with a perfect game?
Where do you stop?
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 3, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
He's the Commissioner of Baseball, he can stop wherever he wants
When someone ask the Commissioner to review something else, he just doesn’t do it if he doesn’t want to. Ask Pete Rose and the fans of Joe Jackson.
Selig would not be overturning an umpire in Galarraga’s case – Joyce has clearly stated he made the wrong call, unlike Froemming. And he would not be changing the outcome of the game, unlike the 1985 World Series..
The most important reason for not changing it to a perfect game is that the Commissioner does not want to be seen as awarding a player or a team. That is not the same as when calls are changed that take away a no-hitter from a player.
I agree with you on this – this will probably be one of the most remember perfect games, due to the controversy over it.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Jun 3, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I noticed you acknowledged Galarraga's performance as a perfect game
This Tigers fan thanks you. :-)
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
it was
just like Galarraga said he’ll tell his kids he pitched a perfect game, he’ll show them the cd
the story will live on and just like most fans don’t recognize Bonds as the all time HR king, most fans will recognize Galarraga as a pitcher who threw a perfect game, even if the record book reads differently
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 3, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with the concept
that Galarraga’s non-perfect game could end up being more famous than any of the perfectos.
I just think that if you have the power to fix something, you should fix it, and worry about the other stuff later.
But this could end up changing. Forty years from now, once replay has been in place for (hopefully) 39 years, some seam-head of the future could go through every game and look for blown calls and rewrite the record books.
Before you scoff, that’s essentially what happened in 1991.
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Seriously though...
Did anyone, honestly… seriously… expect ANYTHING at all to change? I know I wanted something to happen, but I knew it wouldn’t. I also knew Pud, I mean Bud, would just beat around the bush and bury this with all the crap he’s buried over the past decade.
Still a better commissioner than Gary Bettman (slightly NSFW).
What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
Selig is such a punk
He’s got two of his employees showing class, dignity and restraint.
I truly believe the only reason Jim Joyce is safe in Detroit right now is because Galarraga handled this so peacefully. Certainly Leyland and the other players looked out for blood.
Had Galarraga reacted even close to what he probably deserves to, Joyce has to be on a plane out of the city and maybe doesn’t get to work in Detroit again for a long time.
And the only reason there isn’t a bigger player revolt on this is because Joyce stood up and said, “Yeah, I screwed up.” Had he hunkered down and hidden behind the union and done what a lot of umps do, we could have open season on umps right now, which is inevitably followed by stupid ejections.
Selig needed to stand up and say, “I am the Commissioner. I have not wanted replay because I am not in favor of it, which is why I haven’t pushed the owners or the two unions very hard. You want to blame someone, blame me.”
Or something to that effect.
Right now, two of his employees averted what could have been a very ugly situation. Selig waits a good 12-16 hours before poking his head out of his hole and issues a mealy-mouthed piece of crap statement.
Baseball will be 40 percent better the second Selig leaves.
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Believe it or not Worf, I completely agree with everything you wrote here.
Well, all except for your last sentence. I think it will be more like 87%.
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Wow...another group hug. Is NBF invited?
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 3, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Only if SWL agrees to humbly serve us all soup
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Only if he comes back from his interwebz retirement
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 4, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
It almost sounded like the Tigers fans
Gave him an ovation as he walked onto the field.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 3, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Bud sounds as powerless as Galarraga, Joyce, Leyland, etc.
It’s as if “the game” is an entity unto itself – an amorphous, mighty mass that exists separately and apart from the people who play it, umpire it, and shape its policies.
WARNING: POTENTIALLY INVALID COMPARISON TO FOLLOW
It’s sort of like the argument that The Who can continue without John Entwistle and Keith Moon, because it’s about the music and not the band members. But at some point isn’t the music about the band members? How can the music exist in the first place without those who played and wrote it? Without the signature distinctness of Entwistle’s bass lines and Moon’s drum fills, can the music put out by Daltrey and Townshend still be called The Who?
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Are you guys for real?
I hate Selig as much as the next guy, but there is nothing to be done here (as far as changing the call). If he changes this call it opens the door for A LOT of simular scenarios and what do you do then? Imagine that in the last out of a 1-run game and there is a play at the plate and the umpire calls it safe when it’s actually out (and the game should be over). Then, the team that should have lost, comes back and wins the game. Should Selig also change this?
Umpires miss calls, they are human. Everybody is saying that this guy is one of the best in the game. The only thing is he had the bad luck of missing a call at the worst possible time. That’s it. And I tell you, looking at that real time makes it a lot more difficult to call that with the replay… looking at the video I wasn’t so sure when I first saw it. In any case, there’s really not much more to say about this.
The difference is...
…the outcome of the game was not changed. In fact Galarraga got 28 straight guys out…has that ever been done before?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I don't see any difference
It’s still changing the calls made in the game, and if you do that, even once, you open the biggest can of worms you can possibly imagine. Selig did the right thing with this, without any doubt.
In your scenario...
…you talk about a game in which a Team X loses on a bad call. Team X appeals the call, which is then overturned. Team X then comes back and wins the game. This is not what happened in last night’s game. The outcome of the game (Tigers win) still happened, unlike the Team X scenario. Apples and oranges.
I’m sorry, but the notion that it “opens the biggest can of worms” doesn’t work for me, bc that doesn’t have to be the case. Bud could say this is a one time thing and isn’t possible in the future, thus closing the can of worms. But then again, that’s why Bud is Bud and the MLB is considered behind the times.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I think the call should be reversed. I agree with that...but you can't tell me
this wouldn’t open up a lot of appeals from the past and the future. It doesn’t work for me to suggest “a one time thing”. How will we know what the “one time thing” encompasses? Well one way would be to say the final out with no outcome being affected is possible to overturn. There are other ways to define the reversal…but Selig would have to outline the criteria and the reason for his rule change to avoid more appeals. As much as this should be reversed, saying you are doing it because it seems like the right thing to do…though it is…doesn’t work when the game is run by a rulebook.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 3, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
If the game is run by a rulebook...
…I would check the section that says a runner is out when the ball beats him to first.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
So the next time....
a play that doesn’t effect the outcome of the game but, is for whatever reason would have created a special circumstance/event happens, the umpire misses the call and people call for it to be reversed the commissioner (whoever it might be) will not have to be bothered with the decision because Bud did it once and said it could never happen again?
And I would make the argument that missed/blown calls that could potentially effect the outcome of a game make a stronger case for calls to be overturned.
by Rkfd Die Hard on Jun 5, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
While I couldn't realistically see the Padres asking for a do-over
of their wild card playoff game in 2007 if Selig overruled Joyce’s call, what I think would have happened is that baseball’s shaky-as-it-is credibility would have taken yet another hit. Baseball would get the reputation of having the outcome of its games be at the discretion of the league office, watering down – and even nullifying – the events on the field. I don’t think any sport would want that rep.
I just wish Bud would have articulated this in his statement today, instead of the muddled language he used.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Baseball would get the reputation of having the outcome of its games be at the discretion of the league office, watering down – and even nullifying – the events on the field. I don’t think any sport would want that rep.
Sports with replay already “nullify events on the field”. Of course, they do it through a specified procedure that everyone has agreed to.
This is what baseball MUST do going forward.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yes.
Harvey Haddix retired 36 straight in 1959. At the time he was credited with a perfect game. That was changed by a rules committee ruling in 1991, as noted above.
There is absolutely NO reason to not reverse the incorrect ruling on the field last night. It would have NO impact on the game result, and only change two individuals’ batting averages slightly.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And Donald even said he thought he was out at the time.
I’m sure he’d be gracious enough to take the hit on the batting average.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
if donald and acta have no problem making that "hit" not count
i dont see why it shouldnt be overturned
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by jesus christos on Jun 3, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Same
Sometimes I think Selig wants to take the path of most resistance because he’s a dumb mofo and can’t see for crap with his coke bottle glasses. Please old man, just go away. You and Lou can get a table for two at the nursing home.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 3, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Donald loooked disappointed that he was safe
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by BucknerKongCardenal on Jun 3, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you Al that it should be reversed.
The outcome won’t affect statistics significantly or wins and losses. But the decision could open the way for more appeals and use of this power. I think it should still happen…just saying there would have to be some thought to how to handle future games and possible appeals, based on the criteria given for changing the game to perfect as it should be.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 3, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Drop third strike maybe?
I don’t know, it’s possible.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 3, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
George Brett pine tar incident
Here is a game that was challenged by the KC manager and the on-field ruling was changed and the game was played from that point on at a later time. No can of worms was opened because of this.
Perhaps Galarraga’s class is his downfall here, as he didn’t act crazed like Brett.
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by BucknerKongCardenal on Jun 3, 2010 9:30 PM CDT reply actions
Last straw?
I’ve been a die hard baseball fan for decades. Slowly over the last few years the NFL and NHL have started to eat away at time that I used to dedicate to baseball above all.
It’s instances like this (and loads of others – the aforementioned Padres/Rockies game, inter-league scheduling, unbalanced schedules, the replay debate, the all-star game nonsense, and the steroid debacle) that are turning me off on this sport that I love. I love the history of the game. I love its traditions. But, Bud Selig is killing this game with his refusal to listen to the fans.
I can’t be the only fan that’s watching less baseball and turning to other forms of entertainment because of these issues.
by HectorVillanueva on Jun 3, 2010 10:20 PM CDT reply actions
How about a perfect game with an * asterisk?
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Now he belongs to the ages...
…Baseball fans long remember exceptional injustice: Just look at all the 50th Anniversary observances last year for the Haddix 12-inning (Im)perfect Game. Gallaraga’s feat and fate may be treated the same way by sports media 50 years from now, especially if this case serves to force baseball to use modern technology to reduce the role of umpires.
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A very good summation and suggestion by Detroit Free Press columnist Mitch Albom:
I really can’t disagree with anything in his summary and suggestions.
Make it so #2, er… Bud. Who does #2 work for????
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