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Sounds like the Cubs already told 'em where to stick it
The Cubs were asked to wear their 1984 uniforms on that day but refused. Apparently the Padres would have been responsible for the cost of the Cubs throwback uniforms, so cost wasn’t an issue.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
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by Clutch16 on Jun 30, 2010 5:30 PM CDT reply actions  

What a bunch of Richards

I’ve been wanting to get out to SD to see the “new” ballpark (which isn’t so new anymore), but I read stuff like that and I wonder if it’s worth it. (Although I love SD as a city.)

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 30, 2010 5:52 PM CDT reply actions  

The ballpark is nice

The Gaslamp Quarter is Wrigleyville-esque with entertainment/dining options. It’s worth a visit. (Good tickets always available except when the Dodgers are in town.)

The fans suck, though.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 30, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed, the city is great

Maybe I’ll go and keep my Cubs paraphernalia at home.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 30, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

get a Gibson, Trammal, etc Tigers jersey

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by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 30, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

A visit

One stroll and your done. Pack your lightly tinted glasses and your skinny jeans.

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by StevenABQ on Jun 30, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Still HATE Brown and Yellow

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Jun 30, 2010 6:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Cubs should offer to wear a 1984 Detroit Tigers uniform

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by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 30, 2010 6:42 PM CDT reply actions  

I think this is an excellent idea!

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by cooliogirl47 on Jun 30, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seconded.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 30, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

This should be forwarded to the Padres' front office.

What a pathetic joke if this fan is accurate here in that Padres’ post. Seems like the Marlins marketing team has been consulting with these idiots to fill seats.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 1, 2010 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll be at at least one game that series, maybe two

Maybe it’s sour grapes, but the SD fans and management seem like very sore winners regarding that series… it was big time, but it was also 25 years ago. I got to “enjoy” last year’s 25th anniversary celebration before the game – ick.

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by PacificCub on Jun 30, 2010 6:46 PM CDT reply actions  

But this is the usual small-town SD mentality

They gave out negative T-shirts during a Dodgers series this year.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 30, 2010 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was at the 1984 NLCS games in San Diego.

They really did seem happier that the Cubs lost, than they won.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 30, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

And cannot forget it.

used to be a summer destination for us…not no more.

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Jun 30, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think they do this crap when the Braves are in town

At least I’ve never heard anything about it if they do. 1998 should be a lot fresher in their minds, anyway.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 30, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because they don't have a 1998 "Throwback Jersey"

honestly, why get bent out of shape over what jersey they wear?

by HuskerCorner on Jul 1, 2010 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

They could do a 1998 "throwback jersey" if they wanted to.

Their 1998 uniforms are different from what they’re wearing now.

So why aren’t they doing that? Because they want to slam the Cubs. Period.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 1, 2010 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did you even read the piece on that site?

The fans voted on which throwback jerseys to wear. Had the vote been overwhelmingly for the 1978 jerseys this wouldn’t even be an issue.

Yes, they are wearing the ‘84 jerseys to get one last dig at the Cubs, but bringing the ’84 jerseys wasn’t some massive conspiracy ONLY to get at the Cubs. They wore them once this season already…..when they weren’t playing the Cubs.

1984 simply is a NICE memory for Padres fans, and like it or not it’s a nice memory because they got to the World Series by beating the Cubs. Getting bent out of shape because of what jersey some other team wears is just…….it’s damn silly

by HuskerCorner on Jul 1, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

And the fans voted in December

you really think getting at the Cubs was the main motivator for the fans in December?

by HuskerCorner on Jul 1, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, I do.

Padres fans hate the Cubs.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 1, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lord have mercy

So you honestly believe, they voted for the 1984 jerseys, NOT because it was celebrating a team that made it to their first world series in franchise history……………..but because it would piss off a certain kind of Cub fan?

That’s seriously what you’re saying?

by HuskerCorner on Jul 1, 2010 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

Thinking about this further, I really don’t think much about the ’84 loss… except when the wound gets reopened like this.

It’s the same mentality that has the Marlins marketing department putting goats and other crap on their video board when the Cubs come to town.

No teams do this to opponents other than the Cubs. I’m not sure why you think this is OK.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 1, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

If you honestly think their MAIN motivating factor for using that jersey is to get at the Cubs

then there’s no point in discussing it further. That’s a special level of egocentric “logic” I simply can’t debate.

Of course that “logic” is defeated when you actually stop and think about the fact that (as I said before) they’ve already worn the jerseys this season, against a different opponent, but still……..

Yes it is an added bonus that they get to wear the jerseys when they play us, clearly it’s not a real classy move, but your frankly ridiculous notion that the whole idea of wearing those jerseys AT ALL was because it would poke the cubs is one of the reasons other fan bases hate us.

I think it’s OK because it doesn’t bother me in the slightest. Why the crap should I care if a team wants try to slap us in the face? The best way to get someone to stop doing that is to actually win something. It’s not a classy move by any stretch, but it really shouldn’t matter to us beyond what the Cubs have already done which is say “we aren’t going to participate in this”

by HuskerCorner on Jul 1, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lots of other fans hate the Cubs

And I don’t blame them. The Cubs have more notoriety and popularity than teams with five times as much success.

They also know that the media world will explode when/if the Cubs make the World Series, when plenty of other teams have done it without having to sacrifice goats, make death threats to innocent fans or blow up baseballs and mix them in Ragu.

Padres are a forgotten franchise in many ways, even though they’ve been to two World Series since the Cubs were in one.

I don’t blame them for being a little torked off that some loser franchise in a puny ballbark gets their glory.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 1, 2010 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Al, maybe it's time YOU took a vacation to Africa

you’re really losing it.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 1, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hardly.

I don’t see why people can’t see the difference between other team’s fans yelling “1908!” and major league team marketing departments essentially yelling the same thing.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 1, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

There is no difference

I ignore them both

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 1, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oh Worf, my furry fierce friend - you better sit down for this one...

I agree with you.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 1, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

There is no difference. It's just gamesmanship, and poking at your rival

It’s not like they’re yelling “WORLD WAR TWO!” at the German soccer team here. They’re ribbing a team for their on-field failings. That kind of rivalry is fun in sports.

Having a persecution complex about it seems really really silly.

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by Wreckard on Jul 1, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

"No teams do this to opponents other than the Cubs."

Too bad we couldn’t take this argument to a Yankees Red Sox game at Yankees stadium circa 1970 to 2003. We’d have a hard time hearing each other over the chants of “1918! 1918!”

EVERY TEAM’S FANS DOES THIS TO SOME OTHER TEAM’S FANS. EVERY. TEAM’S. FANS.

It’s part of the game. What shut them up finally in NY was when the Sox beat the Yankees to get to the series and then win it all. Would be nice if our guys could do the same.

by Orval Overall on Jul 1, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

You have succinctly summed up my point.

Yes, other teams’ FANS do this. I understand and accept that, and when people yell “1908!” at me, I ignore it.

When other teams’ MARKETING DEPARTMENTS do it, I have a problem with it.

That’s the difference. It’s clear and simple.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 1, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, you've successfully reached DoggieStalker levels

And just as with Jessica, if you really feel the way you type, then I worry about you and your BP levels – and I don’t mean batting practice.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 1, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Practice?

Practice? Practice? How’s practice gonna win a game…Practice?/cornrows4life

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 1, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Al has leels of oil?

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by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 1, 2010 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing

The article mentions that the plan was to wear the 1984 unis once vs. the Braves, and the 1978 unis every other Thursday. That’s what was announced. The article then said they made the decision to go against this announced plan when the Cubs came to town. This won’t be until September – we won’t know if the article is accurate until the game is played or until the Padres put out an actual statement.

Right now, this is still just a rumor (“a little birdy told us”). That’s all. The “getting bent out of shape” portion of the program can probably wait until it actually happens.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
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by Clutch16 on Jul 1, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

How Do You Not Think About 1984?

I wish I couldn’t think about the last three games of the 1984 NLCS. You’re blessed if you don’t think much about the 1984 loss. I’ve got to say there’s not a day that goes by that I don’t think about the end of the 1984 season. I wish it could be like something out of Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, where I could wipe it from my memory.

Does 1969 bother you more than 1984 because 1969 was the first time you thought the Cubs were going to win the pennant?

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Jul 1, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, Husker Corner

Next to the Dodgers, Padres fans hate the Cubs. It’s because Cubs fans take over whatever venue the Padres play in. It’s very hard to attend games there, especially with the Cubs losing most of the games they play in SD .

I probably will avoid going to Cubs games in SD this year. I’d rather attend in LA.

If you don’t know the horrible scene Cubs fans were treated to in 1984….sorry, I’m not going to explain it now.

This is a deliberate attempt to smack the Cubs. Why don’t they wear their 1978 unis which they have all season?

No, this is just like the “Anniversary” celebration they had last year, and the 20th. They wore 1984 unis both times, and will do it again.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 1, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh well

If you’re with Al in thinking that the only reason they are choosing to wear the 1984 uniform THIS SEASON is to get back at the Cubs I can’t help you.

Again, for like the third time, that assumption is defeated when you bother to realize that they’ve already worn the 1984 uniforms once this year, when they weren’t playing the Cubs.

Whether or not the Cubs were treated to a horrible scene, is not, IMO the point. The point is, if you are this freaking bent out of shape over something that happened a quarter of a century ago, then it might be time to reevaluate how seriously you’re taking this.

I’m a huge Cubs fan. 1984 hurt, 1989 hurt. 2003 REALLY hurt but that was only seven years ago, and if the Marlins played the scene of Alex Gonzalez booting the double play ball on their big screen between innings every time they played us, I would be annoyed, I would think they were classless, I would not rub gravel into my hair, rend my garments and scream “They’re out to get us!”

You and Al seem to be carrying out the digital version of that.

by HuskerCorner on Jul 1, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Were you here in SD in person

in 1984, when Cubs fans were assualted, urinated on (yes, that happened) and literally had to get out of Jack Murphy Stadium to escape injury? I thought I was at a soccer match in Europe.

Of course, you were not here.

 I’ve never experienced anything like that in attending a pro Sporting event.

I hope I never will again.

If you do not believe me, comb the archives of the Tribune, and the 2 SD newspapers of that era, San Diego Union and Tribune.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 1, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get it, I believe there were bad fans

I don’t believe that means the team is forcing a mass conspiracy on you or any other Cub fan,

Jesus. Let.it.go.

by HuskerCorner on Jul 1, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Husker, do me a favor and shut the hell up about this...

you’ve never attended a Cubs/Padres game in san diego….it’s a gigantic festival of dickheads getting off on seeing who can be the biggest asshole to Cubs fans. I don’t take any of my family with me anymore to them. I go expecting to have to smile and pretend to laugh and make sure to know where the ushers are at all times.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 1, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nobody is questioning that

Padres fans hassle Cubs fans in S.D. Check, we get that.

The question is: what do you expect? Why does this surprise/bother you?

by azjazzman on Jul 1, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

which still isn't the issue we're discussing

I get that the fans are dicks. I’m not questioning that. But I will shut up, because CLEARLY there’s a group who are all bent out of shape about some jerseys and there’s never gonna be a consensus on how silly that is.

by HuskerCorner on Jul 1, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're still missing the point.

It’s not the FANS who are being “dicks” here. It’s the team marketing department. That’s what I have a problem with.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 2, 2010 6:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, I'm not missing the point

the goalposts for this argument seem to be getting moved back and forth.

I understand you’re upset with the marketing department. Others apparently only want to point out how bad the fans are.

MY POINT is that there is NO WAY the only reason they are wearing the 1984 jerseys is to get at the Cubs.

by HuskerCorner on Jul 2, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Husker, didn't you know?

The Padres marketing team has a weekly staff meeting every Tuesday morning at 10am. Item One on the meeting agenda is always “How can we piss off/screw/mess with the Cubs and their fans?”

Ideas, people, I want ideas…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 2, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sure, it isn't the only reason.

But if it isn’t the PRIMARY reason, why are they doing it on a weeknight in September?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 2, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Because it's San Diego

and a small market and they want to get butts in the seats on a weeknight when school is in session and football season is underway.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 2, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Padres fan here....

The vote had nothing to do with the Cubs. You make it about the Cubs and then it just becomes a funny reason to poke fun.

Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.

by Mad_Villain on Jul 1, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Way to try and damper Cubs fans narcissism.

I don’t know if you find this amongst your fellow Pads fans but a lot of Cubs fans like to believe it’s all about them. Please don’t try and curb their delusions, it makes for great entertainment. What could be funnier than righteous indignation over a competitor’s choice of uniform?

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jul 1, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

If you have never

gone to a Pads/Cubs game or were here in 1984, you don’t get it.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 1, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Outsider

I don’t get it either. Care to elaborate?

by John McMuffin on Jul 1, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some Padres fans who are likely dead of old age now were mean to some Cubs fans a quarter century ago

Ergo, all modern Padres fans obsessively dislike Cubs fans, a source of great distress to a couple of posters here.

I think that’s it in a nutshell.

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by Wreckard on Jul 1, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've attended most of the Cubs/Padres games here in San Diego for the last 15 years....

and I attend maybe 5-10 other games Padres games per year against other teams….the only time I get hassled, insulted, berated and threatened is @ the Cubs games when I’m wearing Cub’s gear.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 1, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

So you don't

get hassled at Padres-Dodgers games when you are wearing Cubs gear or not wearing any team gear at all?

STOP THE PRESSES!!!

by azjazzman on Jul 1, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

So they say mean things to you, ok

I guess I fail to see how that’s a big deal.

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by Wreckard on Jul 1, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't understand

So San Diego, which by the way is a beautiful city, used to be a summer destination for your family but since the Padres want to wear their throwback 84 jerseys, you won’t go there anymore?

by John McMuffin on Jul 1, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's exactly the mentality I see a lot in STL.

The only reason I think promotions like this don’t happen is they don’t want to lose all the revenue the Cubs’ fans bring playing them.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 1, 2010 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

The reason you don't see this in STL...

…is Tony LaRussa. They used to do a few things on the video board between innings when the Cubs were in town. The fake jalapeno eating contest was the last straw for LaRussa. He thought it was disrespectful to the Cubs and their fans so he made them stop.

by smmcctrk on Jul 1, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was it last year or the year before

that the Post-Dispatch ran a “Why the Cubs suck” story or some such thing before the first Cubs-Cards series at Busch, and La Russa went ballistic. He just crapped all over the P-D reporter in the postgame news conference about it.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 2, 2010 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I had forgotten about that one

It happened in 2007 and was an article about how the Cubs would never break the curse and La Russa went off on Miklasz for it.
Link

by smmcctrk on Jul 2, 2010 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

good for TRL

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by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 2, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cause Cubs fans don't wear

“Cardinals take it in their Pujols” shirts. right? I haven’t seen tons of this in Chicago or anything.

Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.

by Mad_Villain on Jul 1, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

But you don't see that on the video board beneath the scoreboard at Wrigley

The perception is that teams (via their representatives in their marketing departments) should have more class than their crudest fans.

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by Clutch16 on Jul 1, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's not classless, it's nostalgic

The Padres fanbase loves brown and yellow. Most still want it for a uniform today. They would want the 84’s when the Cubbies come to town because it’s appropriate. Why would we wear 78’s against a team that is known in club history for 1984?

Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.

by Mad_Villain on Jul 1, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's more pathetic?

A team celebrating a WS 25 years later? Or another teams fans whining about it?

by JSB on Jul 1, 2010 1:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Actually, I believe I would have to agree with Worf...

…unless there is more to the story that what we just read, i wish the Cubs would wear their ‘84 uniforms again. In fact, I wish they ditch the crappy things they have been wearing and go back to what they wore when they did win… Sure, it probably won’t make a big difference, but I really need something to cheer for. Besides, who knows what could happen.

by TheHawkRules on Jun 30, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wrong.

The Padres won. That doesn’t give them the right to rub the loss in the other team’s face. They could celebrate their 1984 championship any time — they have chosen twice to rub the Cubs’ noses in it.

I call BS.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 30, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

They have the right to celebrate it any damn way they choose

I don’t blame the Cubs for refusing to go along, but I am sick of the whining about it.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jun 30, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sick of other teams rubbing the Cubs' noses in defeat.

You don’t see teams do this to other teams they beat in the postseason, just the Cubs.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 30, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

They do it because we're such easy targets

with buttons that are easy to push.

Someday, the foot will be on the other hand.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jun 30, 2010 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I like this.

United we stand and united we'll fall......down on our knees the day we win it all!

by Bricks and Ivy on Jun 30, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Point taken.

Still, it shouldn’t be done at all.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 1, 2010 6:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

because certain Cubs fans freak out about it

Good lord, it was 25 years ago. If you’re still actually butt-hurt about that loss……..

by HuskerCorner on Jul 1, 2010 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, I am.

Are you even 25? You don’t know how that felt.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 1, 2010 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes I am. I clear 25 by a decent margin

I’m also mature enough to move on from something that happened a quarter of a century ago.

by HuskerCorner on Jul 1, 2010 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's your choice.

For me, it still hurts, and to me, there’s no reason for a team to reopen a wound. It’s unnecessary and done to pander to a fanbase that wants to taunt another team rather than root for their own.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 1, 2010 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

It seems like they can do both

especially since the other fan base throws a hissy about it.

by HuskerCorner on Jul 1, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Are Cubs fans that take "Wrigley North" signs to Milwaukee taunting or rooting for their own team?

Cubs fans turn up in opposing stadiums and do their best to mock the locals. Is it any wonder that teams might return the favor? To say it’s “opening a wound,” sounds like such over the top hyperbole that it’s hard to take you seriously. If Cubs fans allow something like this to bother them then they deserve to be mocked mercilessly.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jul 1, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

hell yes I am still sick 26 years later

October 7 1984 (game 5) was the worst day of my life. This was much more painful that 2003, because the 1984 team was much better. Screw the Padres for wiping our noses in it. I would like to see 84 WS MVP Trammell bring out the lineup, make pitching changes, and remind them of their World Series loss. Too bad that Tram is too classy to drop down to their level

by holy mackeral on Jul 1, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

You see, you make it so easy....

I’m 25, I wasn’t even born yet. But now I just want to make fun of you!

Oh internet, what a wicked web you weave.

by Mad_Villain on Jul 1, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Worst day of your life?

You need to get out more. Seriosuly I love the Cubs but there are way more important things in life.

by JSB on Jul 1, 2010 1:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

really,,,,wouldnt any "throwback"

jersey of a year in which you made playoffs/WS be rubbing it in someones noses??
someone has to win and someone has to lose

if someone did this to the Cardinals, we wouldnt care at all.

by cozmotaylor123 on Jul 1, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

But the fact is, NO ONE DOES IT TO THE CARDINALS.

No one does it to any opponent other than the Cubs.

It’s disgusting.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 1, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Back when Milwaukee was still in the AL

and the Cards and Brewers had their first interleague series, both teams drug out their 1982 uniforms. Cards with that ugly robin-egg blue and Brewers with those pinstripes and blue glove.

No one went nuts.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 1, 2010 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well both teams made the World Series that year Worf. They were playing in it.

I wouldn’t say that’s the same thing here.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 1, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

What? So if the Padres had somehow beaten the Cubs in the World Series

THEN it would be okay? Man, some of you are taking some REALLY weird logic to defend your butt-hurt

by HuskerCorner on Jul 1, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I said it wasn't the same thing.

Not anything about it being ok or not. Try to keep up here.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 2, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sure they do

it just takes different forms.

When the Yankees were in Phoenix recently, the media was overloaded with stories about 2001, despite the fact that there are zero D’backs players left from 2001 and only 4 Yankees.

It bordered on the hysterical. Even the mild mannered Mariano Rivera snapped at the umpteenth interview question about 2001. “I don’t care anything about 2001”, he responded.

You have to factor in that 1984 was the first time the Padres and their fans experienced any real success as a franchise. Of course it is something they remember fondly and like to revisit whenever they can. Get over it.

by azjazzman on Jul 1, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Royals

They celebrated the 25th anniversary of the 1985 World Series Champions when the Cardinals were there this year.

by smmcctrk on Jul 1, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's correct.

They gave away posters. That’s a little different than wearing throwback jerseys and asking the other team to wear theirs.

In the Royals case they couldn’t have done the jersey thing, since their home uniforms are essentially the same today as they were in 1985.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 2, 2010 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

But you are ignoring the point

The fact is that the Royals marketing Dept. chose to use the interleague series with the Cardinals as a reason to celebrate their 1985 World Series victory.

This discredits your claim that somehow the Padres are doing something unprecedented just to show up the Cubs.

This isn’t about jerseys, or posters or anything else. It is really about why Cubs fans have such a complex about this stuff, even when it has little to do with the Cubs.

by azjazzman on Jul 2, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only teams you see do this are

the ones that have either an identity crisis or utter lack of self-respect.

For exhibit A, I give you the organization 9 miles south of Clark & Addison.

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Jul 2, 2010 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Without the whining there where would we be?

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Jun 30, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

there = then

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Jun 30, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think their throwbacks were an insult at all.

But asking the Cubs to wear theirs certainly was.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 1, 2010 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

If that is true

and I’m not sure I agree, but if it is, then the Cubs effectively blunted the insult but declining to wear the throwbacks. So, no harm, no foul. Why all the angst?

by azjazzman on Jul 2, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

To This Day

I can’t stand Streve Garvey.

by iowacubfan69 on Jul 1, 2010 7:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Steve Garvey is not my Padre

back in 1989, he had 2 paternity suits filed against him, when he was engaged to a 3rd woman. It is true, you can look it up. Yup, I’m still mad at him.

by holy mackeral on Jul 1, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Go ahead! Call me immature!

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Jul 1, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of Course

I couldn’t stand him then either. Always seemed like an unmentionable body part to me.

by iowacubfan69 on Jul 1, 2010 8:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Get over it.

Seriously. Get over it. This is not a “dig” at the Cubs or at us, their fans. It’s not an insult. It’s not a slap in the face. It’s not an outrage.

Rather, it’s a team in a small(ish) market trying to appeal to fans with a promotion celebrating what remains one of the defining moments in that franchise’s history. Yes, it’s painful for us as Cubs fans to be reminded of that series just as its painful to be reminded of the Bartman game in 2003 or the AZ and LA sweeps in 2007 and 2008. That doesn’t mean that when those fans hang a banner or hold a promotion they’re doing it to insult us.

Honestly, I think if you had a way of measuring these things, you’d find that the skin of the average BCB poster is less than half as thick as the average human.

by Orval Overall on Jul 1, 2010 9:26 AM CDT reply actions  

We can't even beat the crap out of the Pirates

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jul 1, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

We have beaten the Brewers this season.

So at least in theory it’s possible.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 1, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm a dreamer, I can dream

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jul 1, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have to realize

that 99% of the posters here haven’t experienced how strangely nasty SD can be to the Cubs, just as this same fan base is toward the Dodgers. 1984 is constantly rubbed in our faces. If you live in Chicago and never see this crap, I can understand why you don’t care.

No such ‘anniversary’ promotions take place in San Francisco, or Los Angeles, two markets who have beaten the Cubs in playoff action. As Al says, when fans do it it’s one thing. When the damn team itself markets itself to bash others, it’s another story completely.

I’m still waiting for the Pads to celebrate 1998, beating Houston and Atlanta to advance to the World Series. There have been no such anniversaries.

Instead, it’s freakin’ 1984 over and over and over again. They can celebrate any time they want, but they have to celebrate against the Cubs.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 1, 2010 12:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Interesting

It seems that this entire discussion is based on hearsay. I read that article and nowhere does it suggest that the entire San Diego Padres organization is in on poking fun at the Cubs. Fact of the matter, the Padres DID beat the Cubs in the 84 NLCS and if the Cubs want to bitch and moan about it, then they should have beat the Padres. That’s indisputable. What is disputable is the notion that the Padres organization actually gives a shit about the Cubs and their fans. After reading some of these responses, I think I’m starting to understand why Cubs fans are ridiculed as much as they are.

by John McMuffin on Jul 1, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK, never mind.

I can offer up 25 years of situations here since that happened, but since you didn’t experience it, — it obviously doesn’t mean anything to you.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 1, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

I did experience the 2003 Cubs and can tell you that at that instant, the instant when they were eliminated, it hurt. It hurt for a couple days honestly. But you know what I did after the initial shock of losing……..I got over it. Nothing will ever open up old wounds for me because it’s only a baseball game.

by John McMuffin on Jul 1, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand this as plain as day, SDSJM

I’m not sure why your point is lost on so many people.

The Padres’ marketing department loves to stick it to the Cubs at every opportunity. The fans? You can’t help that.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 1, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get it. The marketing department is mean to the Cubs

I just don’t give a fuck.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 1, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is literally no one who doesn't GET his point

There are those of us who don’t AGREE with it.

It’s a HUGE difference.

by HuskerCorner on Jul 1, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

It isn't a matter of not understanding

it’s a matter of not agreeing with his premise.

by HuskerCorner on Jul 1, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I went to the last game in 2008

when the Cubs played the Padres. Despite us winning the first two I saw them lose the finale. Go figure, however the Padres were going nowhere that year. Yet you wouldn’t have known that cause at the end of the game Padres fans were overcome with joy. 1908 this 1908 that, I asked them how many World Series have you won, no reply, what happened in 1984 and 1998 ? No response, just more comments about what we haven’t done. Even a group of Padres fans felt the need to talk smack to me in an elevator. As I stepped off the elevator I reminded them while your team will be on the golf course in October you can watch mine in the playoffs and i let the elevator door shut. I believe I e-mailed Al the next morning to tell him how ignorant most the fans were that I had encountered. Jazzman you have a good point. I’m guessing they don’t want remember anything else, but beating the Cubs. I just cant wait til the day we do win it all so that we can shut everyone up, STL, FLA, SD and anyone else who has ever talked smack.

If it was easy it wouldn't be the Cubs.

by Cubbinstrongsince86 on Jul 1, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

"How many World Series have you won?"

None, but when the franchise was born as an expansion team, you had already been through a 61-year drought!

Happy trails! See you at the next series!

The Padres are good, but make no mistake: we've gotta beef up the linwup.

If I had a nickel from every SBN blog that has banned me, Arrowhead Pride would owe me 5¢.

by StrangeBroP25 on Jul 3, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds to me like

it isn’t the Padres, their fans, or their marketing department that needs to get over 1984.

by azjazzman on Jul 1, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like to me

someone needs to get over themself

by LT on Jul 1, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

And yet another tie-in to the century+ drought

The Cubs are easier targets than other teams.

I still say it’s just a team that lacks self-respect, you know like a certain other baseball team here in ChiTown.

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Jul 2, 2010 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

What a sore bunch of losers

I’m 27. In 2029 I hope to god I am not worried about whether the Marlin wear their throwback unis in a game against the Cubs.

by JSB on Jul 1, 2010 1:21 PM CDT via mobile reply actions   2 recs

I guess this is a generational thing.

And, JSB, I also hope the Cubs have won 5 World Series by the time you are in your 50s, and you never experience what older fans have put up with.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 1, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

San Diego Gulls?

have they won before

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by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 1, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Check. I believe it was four (?) Taylor Cups

The Padres are good, but make no mistake: we've gotta beef up the linwup.

If I had a nickel from every SBN blog that has banned me, Arrowhead Pride would owe me 5¢.

by StrangeBroP25 on Jul 3, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow

a post with the word retarded is green.

by LT on Jul 1, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Somebody actually remembers the San Diego Rockets

Who doesn’t think they always were in Houston. I guess that’s good.

(BTW, isn’t “Rockets” a more apropos nickname for Houston, given its NASA connection, than San Diego?)

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 1, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Convair/General Dynamics

was a major Aerospace govt’ contractor of that era in SD — hence the name SD Rockets.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 2, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good god

“Put up with”? You make it sound like older Cubs fans were a victim of apartheid or genocide. Yes, I do hope the Cubs win during my lifetime. But, if they don’t I am going to do my damnedest not to carry it around with me like a cross. Furthermore, there are many things that older fans experienced that I never got to experience because of the commercialization of Wrigley Field in the last 20 years. So don’t go lecturing me about what I might and might not have. How about you grow a pair and not act like such a nancy when it comes to the Cubs.

by JSB on Jul 1, 2010 1:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Dude, seriously, you need to stop

you sound incredibly whiny continuing to talk like this.

by HuskerCorner on Jul 1, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

San Diego fans are not mean to Cubs fans

just douche bags, or other fans that want to banter. I think you are assuming that since people don’t treat you the way you wanted is because of the jersey you wear instead of your awful personality.

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 2, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Uh oh

you just identified the elephant in the room.

by azjazzman on Jul 2, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's something that has always

bothered me about the typical long time Cubs fan. It’s a victim mentality. Going to incredible lengths to seek out and get hurt by real or perceived slights or disrespect from any source at all.

I am not aware that this dynamic exists with other fan bases. At least I have never seen it.

by azjazzman on Jul 1, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about know-it-alls?

Do they bother you, they sure bother me.

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Jul 1, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

My way of dealing with know it alls

is to take them down a notch when I get a chance by pointing out when they are wrong, as we all are from time to time.

I guess you just complain.

by azjazzman on Jul 1, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is now

just announced that both Josh Byrnes and AJ Hinch got the axe.

But, you are still officially a jerk.

by azjazzman on Jul 1, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow!

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jul 1, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh and no name-calling, just sayin'

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jul 1, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok :)

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jul 1, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

The superior intellect is making a guess?

I deal with know-it-alls the way I have since elementary – make fun of them.

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Jul 2, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have a hunch

Now its just a hunch – but I think azjazzman has the same level of experience in the area of expertise for I commented first. So its kind of like the immovable object vs. the irresistable force.

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Jul 2, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Never said

I had ‘superior intellect’.

But it is becoming increasingly clear that you have some issues in that area, so I’ll leave you alone. Don’t want to send you off the deep end.

by azjazzman on Jul 2, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually I just have one issue

You come on this blog with what seems to be one purpose, which is to point out that everyone is wrong and you are right. And while there are many that do that, your approach is not exactly Emily Post.

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Jul 2, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can set your mind at ease there

I am NOT Emily Post. Never been mistaken for her, either.

FWIW, I don’t categorize you as one of the BCB trolls. I just don’t get it when there are so many posts about me, when there are interesting baseball topics to discuss. I don’t find me, what I am or am not, or what a bunch of internet posters think of me, terribly interesting.

by azjazzman on Jul 2, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't you get it?

Are you that arrogant and self absorbed that you can’t figure out that much of what you say is wasted, simply because your delivery is snarky and rude? Imagine that, your words of wisdom just a waste, lost on all of us because of your approach. Of course you’re not Emily Post! You remind me of the dinner guest who arrives and proceeds to tell the host all the wrong things they did in preparing the meal.

Here’s a thought, maybe if you took a less abrasive approach to replying to others comments, people would take your points more seriously, and the interesting points is all we would discuss with you.

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Jul 3, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do me a favor

re-read what you just wrote. And you call me abrasive?

Please. I think I will look elsewhere for advise on how to become more Emily Post-like,

by azjazzman on Jul 3, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've tried

Both, the reasonable and the unreasonable, neither one seems to connect. All I am asking is for you to figure out that your approach can be rough… I need to work on it too, but it would help all of your good points if you softened the way you talk to others. ME TOO.

"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"

by StevenABQ on Jul 3, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good!

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by Wreckard on Jul 1, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's certainly a rare breed.

Seems like some people want to show others how “special” they are by bemoaning their “long suffering” status.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jul 1, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

And then complaining and whining

whenever someone brings up the 100+ year drought, no matter how benign the reference. It’s a real schizo existence.

by azjazzman on Jul 1, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

This

You have identified the exact type of narcissistic Cubs fan that is so incredibly annoying to the rest of MLB fans. It’s not all about you. Just like I found Red Sox fans to be annoying, so they find us to be annoying.

by JSB on Jul 1, 2010 3:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Pre-2004 Red Sox fans were somewhat like that, actually, IIRC.

And about the dynamic you ask about, perhaps I can attempt to seriously explain?

See, once you see some idiot online who’s, say, a Rangers fan (no beef with that fanbase, just picking a team at random) showing up at some point like, say, the 2008 NLDS collapse, doing an obnoxious point-and-laugh thing at Cubs fandom saying “LOL, those losers, their team sucks, 100 years of losing, they’re never gonna win, Cubs fans are the stupidest people on earth blah blah blah why don’t they just give UP and fold the team?”

And they’re totally serious when they say it?

It sticks in one’s craw, like nothing you’d ever believe. I know it shouldn’t, but it does; you’re emotionally vulnerable at that point and your defenses are down. How can it not?

And then it happens again, this time coming from a Mariners fan, or an Angels fan, or a Braves fan or someone like that who doesn’t even have any real axe to grind with Cubs fandom (aside, perhaps, from stadium takeovers when the Cubs play their team). It tends to make one a little incredulous at how cruel other fans can be, and you want to look and see just how many other buffoons there are out there pointing and mocking, and then you kind of want to tell them to shut the bleep up cause you’re so angry that they’re kicking you when you’re down like this. You expect and prepare for the mocking from your rivals, but from the entire baseball community at large? It can get a person a little bent out of shape, and defensive, thinking it might happen again.

Now I admit I’m pretty much talking about myself here, and I suppose I might be one of those readily-slighted, rabbit-eared Cubs fans you’re speaking of. I wasn’t always that way, I have to tell you; the 2007 and 2008 playoffs really did a number on me (and boy was I angry at your D-Backs for a while!). But as for me, I am trying to regain my perspective as a Cubs fan and not let stuff like that get to me; I know it’s not a good way to live as a baseball fan. And I’m not a “long-time” Cubs fan by any means compared to most here, so make of that what you may.

by owllover711 on Jul 2, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Appreciate the detailed explanation

but hey, I grew up a Phillies fan, and until 1980, there was no baseball club more futile or more consistently horrid then that team. And as ugly as 2003 or 2008 may have been for the Cubs, they have nothing in their history even remotely comparable to the collapse of 1964. Not to mention 1977.

I get what you are saying about piling on. For some reason that is not quite clear to me, the Cubs have become the default poster child for a team that just can’t get over the hump. It’s not fair, but it is what it is. The players on the team today had nothing to do with 1984. Or 1969.

All I can suggest is that you try what i attempted to do when I endured all those pre-1980 Phillies years. Wear your Cubs fandom with pride. Don’t react to the morons that try to boost their own fragile psyches by mocking others. Embrace your team’s history, the good AND the bad. No matter how you slice it, 1984, much like 2003 and 2008, was a magical year for Cubs’ fans. No, it didn’t turn out the way you all would’ve wanted, but it is still better to be on the doorstep than to never be in the neighborhood.

And try to think of it this way – those disappointing moments for Cubs fans have fueled countless conversations and numerous bonding opportunities that likely would not have occurred otherwise. Kind of a bunker mentality.

I know is hard to keep all that in mind when someone is in your face with nasty, disparaging comments, but don’t bring yourself down to their level.

If it were me making the decision, I would’ve said, hell yes, let’s don the uniforms of 1984, and honor the memory of Cubs heroes like Sandberg, Durham and Sutcliffe by taking the Padres out to the woodshed for a whipping.

by azjazzman on Jul 2, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

IMHO i could care less

i see the point both sides are making, and I can agree with both on points and disagree with both on points about this.

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by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 1, 2010 7:27 PM CDT reply actions  

no far from one

its just that both sides have valid points, noting wrong with saying so

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Bleed Castro Blue

by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 1, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

its cool no worries

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Bleed Castro Blue

by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 1, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

This thread brought out the worst in fans here.

You should be able to disagree without calling people whiny, jerks, or so many other things thrown around here.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 2, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

you are wrong

jerkdickwhinynotrealfan

i keed i keed

i agree with you, its a shame that this thread (and too often most threads can do that)

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Bleed Castro Blue

by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 2, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm over it

Honestly, I’m over it. If they want to rub it in, that’s fine. I’m used to it. We should know by now that our team is one great big joke that will choke at the first opportunity. After 2008, I’ve learned to expect absolutely nothing and never believe this team can win a pennant. So let them do their throwback uniforms. I don’t care. Last I checked, we still have more World Series titles than the Padres do.

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jul 1, 2010 8:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Again, Ace, I think you might be on to something

I’m not sure the Cubs ever will be able to win a World Series. Not because of crap that doesn’t exist, like curses or jinxes or whatever, but because of PRESSURE.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 1, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm starting to wonder the same thing.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 2, 2010 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

You haven't used that old saw in what... two days?

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 2, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's not an "old saw".

In fact, it’s rather new thinking. There may be something to it.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 2, 2010 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're kidding, right?

NBF has used it ever since I’ve been here.

If the Red Sox can do it, we can.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 2, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder.

The Red Sox, too, had some spectacular failures (1967, 1975, 1986) but at least they were getting to the World Series every now and again, until they finally won it.

The Cubs have TWO hurdles to leap. They seem to get larger every year.

In any case, whether NBF has used it or not, this is not “conventional wisdom”. I wonder if it should be.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 2, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

And I wonder if you've lost your mind

This PRESSURE, as NBF puts it, is a bunch of crap. Sure there’s pressure, but most certainly not to the extent that it will prevent the Cubs from ever winning the World Series. Yes, it’s been over 100 years so I guess the franchise must be feeling a lot of PRESSURE. Oh, wait, guess what – franchises don’t have feelings.

Man, just because we’re in the middle of a giant flood of suck, you guys are grasping at any straw that goes floating by…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 2, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sure there’s pressure, but most certainly not to the extent that it will prevent the Cubs from ever winning the World Series. Yes, it’s been over 100 years so I guess the franchise must be feeling a lot of PRESSURE. Oh, wait, guess what – franchises don’t have feelings.

You don’t know that, because you have never been a player in the situation.

Mark DeRosa, in particular, mentioned this as a factor in 2008.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 2, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

And you're going to let "a factor" from one player...

…suck all the everlasting hope out of your soul?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 2, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

If and when a serious upgrade at Wrigley forces the team to play a year or two at the Cell...

…we’ll likely see enough pressure released to propel the Cubs straight through the playoffs and Series to a championship. Could you stand it?

"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62

"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64

by ernaga on Jul 2, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

It isn't remotely new

It’s a copout that has been used by every former Cub and quite a few members of the press

by HuskerCorner on Jul 2, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Please explain

Four infield errors in Game 2 in 2008.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 2, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh Please

Do you really believe this? If so, I feel sorry for you. Do you think Buckner booted the ball in Game 6 1986 because of 1967 and 1975?

That is too ridiculous to even bother to refute.

by azjazzman on Jul 2, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Buckner made an error. One error.

Each Cubs infielder made an error in Game 2. Each one.

Do you not notice the difference?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 2, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

This stuff

makes about as much sense as the Goat Curse. No wonder people make fun of Cubs fans.

by azjazzman on Jul 2, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

This makes a heck of a lot more sense than a curse

Because curses do not exist. Pressure does.

And this franchise is suffocating in it.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 2, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that the "pressure" theory has more merit than a goat, but not much

But, that isn’t why the Cubs have failed. If the Cubs consistently had superior teams and failed in the playoffs you might have a point. The Cubs haven’t reached the playoffs with a superior team enough times to really cite “pressure” as the reason they have failed in the post-season.

by JSB on Jul 2, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is ALWAYS a ton of pressure

in a key game in a pennant race, a playoff game or a World Series game. Pressure to perform exists, it is part of being a professional athlete.

There is no additional pressure in a game situation on a given player because of past team failings. The pressure of the moment is all the pressure there is.

To think that somebody double clutches or makes a physical or mental mistake because of a team’s historical record of futility is bizarre…and insulting.

by azjazzman on Jul 2, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um, so does this mean I'm not allowed to be a fan of both teams?

I’m asking this in all seriousness, because I’ve been rooting for the Padres for a couple of seasons now, completely ignorant of the history between them and the Cubs. (in my defense, I’m not a native Chicagoan and haven’t been a Cubs fan all my life.) I had to be taught (or discover on my own) the significance of the rivalries with the Cardinals and White Sox and all the other stuff that goes along with being a Cubs fan, but no one ever told me there was bad history with the Padres. Am I going to get dirty looks for liking both teams?

by owllover711 on Jul 1, 2010 11:40 PM CDT reply actions  

There isn't some "blood" feud between the Pads and the Cubs except for in the minds of a few here.

If I were you, I wouldn’t really be concerned with anyone that had a problem with your duel fandom.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jul 2, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was in SD during the 84 series

Lived in both cities, now live in LA. I attended a Cubs game in SD last Mem Day weekend, had the time of my life. It was the game they celebrated the 84 WS team, and not one single person F’ed with me.

I get way more shit when I attend games in LA. I fully intend to go to one of the games this Sept. Now, maybe I got lucky last year, but all I saw was a boatload of Cubs fans having a great time.

As for the Pads marketing people poking fun at the Cubs, it’s lame, but I certainly won’t let that stop me from having a good time.

by daily2b on Jul 2, 2010 10:12 AM CDT reply actions  

I find it very unlikely that SD Padres fans are exceptionally huge jerks to visiting fans

Judging by this thread I think it is more likely that you are exceptionally thin-skinned.

by JSB on Jul 2, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

If it happened to SDSJM then it has to be what happens to everyone.

You haven’t been paying attention, his personal experience is the defining experience at Petco.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jul 2, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

FYI, I seem to still be a member.

I just don’t bother t post anymore.
And, of course I never said anything as you write. Please post that here if you can find it.

You don’t think you are a troll?

The last time I posted something was about TBS’s initial coverage of the playoffs. That’s 2 years ago.

i love how people can make allegations and they are supposed to be taken at face value.

The evil side of the Internets.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 2, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

By the way you weren't even a member

of the Padres site the last time I posted, so nice try with defaming comments.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 2, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes I was

different handle.

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 3, 2010 12:57 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Try an experiment

go to a Giants-Dodgers game at Dodger Stadium wearing a Giants jersey. Let us know how that works for you.

by azjazzman on Jul 2, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did this one

US. Soccer Jersey in Mexico City.

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 2, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

try Toronto with a Blackhawks jersey

or Detrout with a Blackhawks jersey, or GB with a Bears jersey,

or, or, or, or

I hate when people try this “well you should try wearing a jersey of a rival” crap, forgetting WE ALL HAVE DONE SO

(this is in reply to azjaa, just posted here as a reply to keep thread in order)

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by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 2, 2010 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're missing the point

of course we have all done that.

The point is that when we did it, we were neither surprised that we were subject to abuse, nor did we continue to whine about it 25 years later.

by azjazzman on Jul 2, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

One thing I think is getting lost in this discussion

is that undeniable reality that fans in San Diego, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Denver are much more laid back about this stuff then fans in New York, Boston, Philadelphia and yes, Chicago.

I have made a study of this, and it is true.

I think the San Diego fans aggression towards Cubs fans is probably born more out of the fact that they know they can get a rise than out of any real animosity.

When I attended the AZ Cardinals – Philadelphia Eagles NFC Championship game in PHX a couple of years ago, I really paid attention. The stories the week of the game about the pending influx of rabid Eagles fans into Phoenix were everywhere. Radio talk shows were encouraging Cardinals fans to not take any guff from their Phllly counterparts.

What I observed was some good natured back and forth ribbing and boasting, but nothing that rose to obnoxious or violent. It was a pleasure to attend that game and I even congratulated some Eagles fans sitting near me for the classy way the visiting fans behaved.

by azjazzman on Jul 2, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now on this point, I agree with you.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 3, 2010 6:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

i get the point

and i was making my comment in regards to what you said, as i hate when people say that as if its somethng new, thats all

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Bleed Castro Blue

by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 2, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've got a better idea.

SDSJM, why don’t you attend the Cubs/Padres series wearing a shirt that says, “I am San Diego Smooth Jazz Man”? Or a Padres shirt with Cubs hat, or no regalia whatsoever, just to mitigate ANY possibility that you’re going to be harassed based on your dress.

You’d probably still piss people off. When I joined BCB the other day, the Community Guidelines told me (in a nutshell) not to post anything I wouldn’t say to someone’s face/the faces of a roomful of their buddies. Amazing how many of y’all seem to have forgotten that.

The Padres are good, but make no mistake: we've gotta beef up the linwup.

If I had a nickel from every SBN blog that has banned me, Arrowhead Pride would owe me 5¢.

by StrangeBroP25 on Jul 3, 2010 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting reminder...

…. from someone who’s been warned for just such behavior at other SBN blogs.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 3, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Touché

but they’re twelve kinds of crazy over at AP.

Interestingly enough, when I was at the Astros/Padres game last night I did see a couple of people wearing Cubs stuff. One guy had a hat, the other a Ryne Sandberg jersey. They were quiet, respectful, congenial, the model Cubbies fan. To be honest, I didn’t see anybody giving them a hard time— it may have happened, but certainly not the the point where they were driven away.

The Padres are good, but make no mistake: we've gotta beef up the linwup.

If I had a nickel from every SBN blog that has banned me, Arrowhead Pride would owe me 5¢.

by StrangeBroP25 on Jul 4, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get hassled WAY more in LA

But that’s not to say I wasn’t hassled in SD – though it was much more good natured.

I’ve already expressed my distaste for Dodger Stadium’s brand of hospitality in previous threads.

In reality, if this would be considered a celebration of the 1984 team’s success, like the 25th anniversary celebration was, the Cubs would be the only team that would make sense to actually choose to play against while wearing the throwbacks, rather than just a random date/team. But the 25th anniversary still seemed like a huge F you to the Cubs fans in attendance.

I’m over it, I just think it’s lame.

"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella

by PacificCub on Jul 2, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bitter much?
Wrong.

The Padres won. That doesn’t give them the right to rub the loss in the other team’s face. They could celebrate their 1984 championship any time — they have chosen twice to rub the Cubs’ noses in it.

I call BS.

Cub fan – let me tell you one time: That’s exactly what it means!
We kicked your ass in a stellar come-from-behind series. It was our 1st N.L. Pennant. We get the right to say ‘Ha-Ha!’ and rub it in your face. It’s not our fault that guys like Lee Smith and Rick Sutcliffe couldn’t close the deal when Games 4 and 5 rolled around and folded like a deck of cards. The Padres of 1984 earned that series, and we have every right to brag about it.
If the Rockies want to celebrate winning Game 163 in 2007 and reshow Matt Holiday tagging up at home plate when the Friars come to town, they have that right. They beat us fair and square.
Somebody call the Waaaaaaaaambulence!

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by Jonathan Holmes on Jul 2, 2010 8:40 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Not to mention the use of BS in that paragraph is nonsensical

You call BS when you dispute a fact. An opinion about the proper way to celebrate a NLCS victory isn’t something you can call BS on.

by JSB on Jul 2, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why Padres Fans Are "Mean" To Cubs Fans

(everything on this list is a generalization, so don’t get bent out of shape.)

-You are drunken, boorish louts who take over our stadium, talk trash and offend people (including families with small children, which I have seen happen) and then pour out into the Gaslamp once the game is over, still razzing fans and locals.

-You have buttons that are easy and fun to push.

-So do your players… Lee and Zamboni in particular.

-When we win, it’s our prerogative to rub your noses in it, as stated by others above. When we lose, it’s your prerogative, but we respond by asking you to kindly get the hell out of America’s Finest City.

-Have I mentioned the easily-bruised psyches and the championship drought and the substantial history between these teams? Well, I have now!

NO fans I have ever encountered at Petco Park are as ill-behaved as Cubs fans— from the Yankees to the Mets, Cardinals to Rockies; heck, I’ve even met more than my fair share of polite, intelligent, and well-spoken Dodgers fans. However, reading on this forum it appears that not all Cubs fans are arrogant, ignorant punks… but there are lots of them in San Diego.

The Padres are good, but make no mistake: we've gotta beef up the linwup.

If I had a nickel from every SBN blog that has banned me, Arrowhead Pride would owe me 5¢.

by StrangeBroP25 on Jul 3, 2010 4:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Sounds like

you might be proving SDSJM’s point.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 3, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amen StrangeBro!

But I will say this: not all Cubs fans act like boorish, drunken idiots when they travel to Petco….but at least 3/4ths of the are. I’ve seen it before, and yes, they do act like boorish, drunken jerks.

"Since we only live once (that we know of) we should focus on enjoying our lives, not stressing to follow every single thing and trend that society impose upon us." - Thom Yorke of Radiohead

by Jonathan Holmes on Jul 3, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

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