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Carlos Zambrano's Return To The Rotation, Or The Blackhawks? Choices, Choices, Part Deux: Cubs vs. Astros Preview, Friday 6/4, 7:05 CT

Unlike Wednesday, when the Cubs' rain delay and postponement made for uninterrupted viewing of the Blackhawks, tonight Z's return to the rotation goes head-to-head with hockey at 7 pm CDT. There will be, of course, two hockey intermissions when you can switch over to the baseball game.

It seems somehow fitting to have Carlos Zambrano return to the rotation against the Astros, the team against which he had his greatest game, his no-hitter against them at Miller Park on September 14, 2008. Perhaps Z can make a statement -- and give this team a real lift -- by having yet another great one tonight. (No, I'm not predicting another no-hitter.)

Speaking of no-hitters, or games that should have been, Yahoo's Jeff Passan wrote about Wednesday's "imperfect game" and its aftermath. He skillfully destroys all the arguments against replay and lays out a good system -- very similar to the one I have proposed -- for using replay in the future.

Star-divide

Today's Starting Pitchers
Carlos Zambrano
Carlos Zambrano
Cubs
vs. Felipe Paulino
Felipe Paulino
Astros
1-3 W-L 0-7
6.12 ERA 4.40
36 SO 54
13 BB 34
5 HR 2
vs. Hou -- vs. Cubs

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2010 - Carlos Zambrano 1-3 18 4 0 0 0 0 32.1 42 23 22 5 13 36 6.12 1.70


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2010 - Felipe Paulino 0-7 10 10 0 0 0 0 59.1 53 37 29 2 34 54 4.40 1.47

Despite his 0-7 record, Felipe Paulino hasn't been that bad this year. He gave up no runs in eight innings in his last start, but wound up with a no-decision when he left the game in a scoreless tie; the Astros lost in the 10th. He was the starting pitcher in the only game the Cubs have won vs. Houston this year, April 16 at Wrigley Field. His biggest weakness appears to be control -- 34 walks in 59.1 innings. Current Cubs are hitting .278 (10-for-36) against him with six walks. Be patient tonight, Cubs hitters.

Carlos Zambrano has not faced the Astros this year, but in three starts last year was 1-0 with a 1.29 ERA in 21 total innings, and of course threw the previously mentioned no-hitter against them in 2008. Many Astros hitters have long histories against him -- Lance Berkman has 68 career AB (.147, but with 4 HR and 15 walks) and Carlos Lee, 55 AB (.382, 5 HR, 14 RBI, 5 doubles). Go get 'em, Z. Show us you belong back in the rotation.

Lineup via Twittermyer:

New leadoff man. Lineup: byrd, riot, lee, rami, fuke, sori, soto, castro, z

Today's game is on WGN and FSN Houston, though I don't think too many will be watching. The Blackhawks are again on Versus. A reminder that if you are looking for the Cubs game on local radio in Chicago, it's on WIND (560) tonight so the Blackhawks can be on WGN. Here is the rest of the MLB.com Mediacenter for today.

MLB.com Gameday

Baseball-reference.com game preview

SB Nation game preview

Please visit our SB Nation Astros site The Crawfish Boxes.

Today's first pitch thread will be up at 7 pm CDT, and the overflows will post at 8, 9 and 9:45 pm CDT.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Weirdest lineup of 2010.

Fire Lou.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Jun 4, 2010 5:02 PM CDT reply actions  

wow

Lou’s lineup construction is approaching the level of performance art. Perhaps he’s locked in a battle of wills with TJ11. I have no better explanation.

by John916 on Jun 4, 2010 5:12 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

i just don't get it, but go get 'em Z

Byrd
Theriot
Lee
Ramirez
Fukudome
Soriano
Soto
Castro
Zambrano

"I’m not going to say a lot, because if you say the wrong the thing to me, then you (hanley) might wind up on the floor on your rear end," Dawson said with Tony Perez standing by his side in a coach’s office at Sun Life Stadium

by 12to23to17 on Jun 4, 2010 5:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Is that seriously the lineup 12?

"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 4, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

y

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by jesus christos on Jun 4, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

the oil spill was retaliation for the BP crosstown trophy

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by jesus christos on Jun 4, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

and yes

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by jesus christos on Jun 4, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well both were abominations I agree.

Though I regret brining up the oil spill. My brother works as a professor in oceanography and microbiology and have no doubt his lab will submit grants to have to deal with this incredible headach…as well as him living near the coast and will deal with the spill. I doubt they will find it funny at the moment. What happened to good ol’ fashioned locust plagues? or ala Bruce Almighty and making Jennifer Aniston’s breasts grow?

"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 4, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lou pulling names outta the hat?

" What are you gonna do? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I really don't know. Gonna be honest with you . I wish I had some answers, but, I just, uh, .I wish I knew fellas, I wish I knew." Lou Piniella 6/1/10

by Easy Ed on Jun 4, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

astros

Bourn, Keppinger, Berkman, Lee, Sullivan, Blum, Feliz, Quintero, Paulino

"I’m not going to say a lot, because if you say the wrong the thing to me, then you (hanley) might wind up on the floor on your rear end," Dawson said with Tony Perez standing by his side in a coach’s office at Sun Life Stadium

by 12to23to17 on Jun 4, 2010 5:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Sullivan?

Their 5 hitter has a .514 OPS. Look! We found a hitter worse than ours!

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 4, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

Lou would bat him leadoff in this lineup.

Maybe next year is finally our year.

by Unique on Jun 4, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

His OPS is higher than tonight's Cubs cleanup hitter, so yes.

A-Ram’s OPS is .496. That’s Aaron Miles territory.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 4, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just got some shivers hearing that name.

Makes me wonder if Hendry put out some feelers to the Cards about him in their farm system…LOL

"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 4, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

The downfall of Ramirez has been so dramatic.

I would of never predicted this in a million years.

Maybe next year is finally our year.

by Unique on Jun 4, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

He had been the Cubs most consistent good hitter since 2003. Well, he’s been consistent all right this year in a terrible way.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Jun 4, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Part Deux seems appropriate like part duh did with hot shots given the way this

Team has been playing lately.

"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 4, 2010 5:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Ok.. what the hell is up with this lineup?

Two guys that have 14 walks between them batting 1st and 2nd?

Starlin Castro — has 6 walks (which is one less than both of them) in twice as many ABs.

Fukudome and Castro should be 1 and 2. It’s not that damn hard to figure it out. Quit giving Theriot so many ABs at the top of the lineup.

Maybe next year is finally our year.

by Unique on Jun 4, 2010 5:11 PM CDT reply actions  

To clarify

Byrd and Theriot have only 1 more walk than Castro does, in more than twice as many ABs.

Maybe next year is finally our year.

by Unique on Jun 4, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

but..

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by jesus christos on Jun 4, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

but what..

Maybe next year is finally our year.

by Unique on Jun 4, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

theriot is so good....

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by jesus christos on Jun 4, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah.. him and his .627 OPS

Maybe next year is finally our year.

by Unique on Jun 4, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

and he gets his jersey dirty

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by jesus christos on Jun 4, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Has to reach base for that to happen.

"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 4, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

He could fall down in the on deck circle

"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella

by El Borto on Jun 4, 2010 5:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Or get knocked down by a pitch. Take one for the team Scrappy!

Lean into it….yes that’s right, Coach Buttermaker wants you to….

"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 4, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

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by eswan9 on Jun 4, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aardvarks for both teams tonight eswan!

"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 4, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Have to say Al that you thinking the replay system offered is good when it's similar to yours

is not really surprising lol. I was away visiting my dad when the whole fiasco went down with the perfect game and listened to the Cubs losing on the radio with Pat Hughes. Made it a little easier to take doing other things so I could tune it out and not see the Cubs just seemingly give up.

"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 4, 2010 5:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm open to just about any kind of replay system, not just the one I suggested.

But let’s get SOMETHING done.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 4, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I haven't really disagreed with your system. It just struck me as funny reading it is all.

And I definitely agree, a sensible replay system is overdue, as long as balls and strikes aren’t involved.

"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 4, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hockey is

… not even an afterthought in 95% of the country, as the nationwide ratings attest. Most Cubs fans outside of Chicagoland wouldn’t know the Blackhawks existed if not for the mentions by Cubs play-by-play men.

WGN America may outdraw WGN-9 tonight.

by bourbon_and_branch on Jun 4, 2010 5:13 PM CDT reply actions  

That's interesting and scary.

One of the topics I heard on the score recently was what would happen if the Bulls signed LeBron James and the Hawks won the SC, then next year both would contend for championships…if having LeBron would mean bumping hockey off the radar for the most important thing. I think it would, given both teams being in the Championship.

"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 4, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not Big NHL Fan

You can’t find too many Nashville Predators fans in Memphis. I’d almost venture to say there are more Red Wings fans around here than Predators fans. Of course, I don’t know how many Grizzlies fans live in the Nashville area. It is a 3-hour drive between the cities. I want the Blackhawks to win to end that long Stanley Cup drought, but I don’t care that much about it.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Jun 4, 2010 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

still better than NBA basketball

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by eswan9 on Jun 4, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im a little confused here...

The Blackhawks are an original 6 franchise and although they were poorly run for way too long, they are coming back into mainstream extremely quickly.

Game 2 was on in 25% of TVs in Chicago with a share of over 30%, those are crazy high numbers. There is a reason that this is the most watched Stanley Cup Finals in the history of the game, and that’s because both teams are great draws.

by bdlugz on Jun 4, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

A record Stanley Cup rating

… is big for hockey, but a national number like that (4.1) would get the commish of MLB or the NBA fired on the spot.

Outside of Philly and Chicago, it just doesn’t register.

by bourbon_and_branch on Jun 4, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

How true, how true...

However, let me please note this here. Hockey is a great sport. It’s the fastest team sport in NA, requires the ultimate in-shape athletes and the only sport where players change during the play. That said, it’s a tough TV sell though HD has really helped. Those of you who have not watched much on TV (HD specifically), please give it a chance. Those of you who have never gone to a game, give it a try. Even the AHL Chicago Wolves (hockey’s AAA equivalent – they’re the “Iowa Cubs” of the Atlanta Thrashers) put a good product out there and at a reasonable price.

The big part that drove a comment like yours is that IMO the sport, at least at the NHL level, has been poorly marketed for many years. It’s driven diehards like me absolutely nuts for more than 3 decades. MLB & NBA (NFL especially) have TV contracts set. The NHL has to take that step. Versus is not the answer. NBC’s coverage is good, but now it must expand. Having the Blackhawks in the finals will help boost the league’s branding. They must now start to run with this.

A big issue the NHL has to overcome is getting America interested (and this is an old story) in seeing teams outside the US & teams not normally associated with cold-weather sports. Canada’s sport only has 20% of the teams in Canada and the NHL has 40% of the teams in warmer climates. There’s the 20% who are original six and another 20% who are in colder hockey climates not in the O-6. The NHL has to learn how to balance that. They haven’t done nearly well enough IMO.

I truly believe there’s a person whom we all know of (Al likely knows him, or at least has met him a few times) that could help change all this down the road. It’s John McDonough. I believe John’s 5-year Blackhawks contract (He’s about half-way through) may be a stepping stone to the NHL front office. I can only hope that the right person gets in there because Gary Bettman (who obviously didn’t pick up too much from David Stern when he was in the NBA front office) simply hasn’t brought the NHL up far enough, quickly enough.

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Jun 8, 2010 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Crazy wack lineup or not...

It will be nice to see the Cubs after 48 hours of inactivity. Bring on Chicago Cubs baseball…

Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!

by DKT on Jun 4, 2010 5:20 PM CDT reply actions  

More than 48 hours.

The Cubs haven’t played since Tuesday.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 4, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

A double dip tonight sure would be awesome.

"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 4, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Will do

Go Blackhawks!

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 4, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm..I was gonna ask if there was a way to get up a thread here for the Hawks game,

But then I imagine most will be at the club already.

"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 4, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Choice #2 Al, sorry

Will have the TV locked on Versus; ready to go for game 4 of the SCF….!

Sooner or later (let’s say starting Monday night, shall we?) I’ll be back watching the Cubs – as painful as I know that is at times this season.

L E T S G O H A W K S !!!

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Jun 4, 2010 5:37 PM CDT reply actions  

part of me wants the SCF going the distance so i dont have to watch the cubs

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by jesus christos on Jun 4, 2010 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone remember when PIP came out

And the big draw was watching two shows at once? I plan on having both going at the same time. Yeah 1990’s technology!

by Danwood on Jun 4, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Musical Chairs Linups Strike Again!

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by windycitywarrior on Jun 4, 2010 5:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice lol

"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 4, 2010 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lou? o.0

That lineup? Seriously?

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday....

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 4, 2010 6:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Oops, needed to change my sig line.

This one’s better.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, June 12....

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 4, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

May your climb go well!

How high is Mount Washington? Is that the mountain where the climate is so extreme at the top, or is that the one is Maine? In any event have fun and good luck!

by Saratoga on Jun 4, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's the one with the extreme climate in New Hampshire.

I hope things change before June 12, because now that hike is coming under weather problems as well.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, June 12....

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 4, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

And just so you know,

Mount Washington is 6,288 feet high.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, June 12....

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 4, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is there still snow there this time of year?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 4, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

In the ravines, yes.

Tuckerman’s Ravine (which is the main way of hiking up) can be snowbound into late June.

But the summit and the higher elevations are usually snow-free at this point. Thankfully, one of my co-workers has spent so much time at Washington that she is something of an expert on the mountain.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, June 12....

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 4, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've heard it can get VERY windy at the summit

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 4, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hence why it is necessary to bring along winter clothing, even in summer.

However, you can always check the summit conditions at the observatory’s website.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, June 12....

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 4, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh,

And be sure to check out my pictures from Monday.

I took a day trip down to southwest Vermont/northwest Massachusetts. I escaped a large smoke cloud hanging over Vermont in the process.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, June 12....

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 4, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

you should do a hiking thread ;)

good luck to you and take plenty of pics, and put them on FB so I can see :)

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by cooliogirl47 on Jun 4, 2010 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought you wanted to know how to make my current profile picture.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, June 12....

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 4, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

that too :)

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jun 4, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's a good idea.

I’ll make a FanPost about it after the hike, and post my pictures there.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Saturday, June 12....

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 4, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nights like tonight...

make me glad I have two TVs in the living room.

GO CUBS, GO HAWKS

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by Chris Dobbertean on Jun 4, 2010 6:08 PM CDT reply actions  

the scale tips tonight

One of the biggest games of the year imo. A good outing will give the team some positive energy. Bad game and I think we start to back up the moving trucks.

by cozmotaylor123 on Jun 4, 2010 6:13 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

big z can no hit the astros and the offense can be 10-10 with RISP

and can still look like a bunch of girls the next game

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by jesus christos on Jun 4, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

So yeah, this lineup is garbage, but about replay...

I haven’t seen this mentioned anywhere else, so I’ll throw this up on here. I’m in favor of each side getting two replay calls per game, and a lot of people have mentioned that as well. The problem is coming up with a way to penalize each side if they fail on their replay call.

If the first replay call is missed, someone other than the manager and the players is tossed. If the manager misses on the second replay call, regardless if the first one was good or not, the manager is tossed. As it is, the manager gets tossed for arguing calls anyway, so why not have that be a penalty for blowing a replay call. My apologies if this has actually been mentioned elsewhere.

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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 4, 2010 6:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Interesting...

but I see no reason for the penalty… the point is to get the call right, isn’t it?

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by dtc0405 on Jun 4, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and I hate to quibble with Craig about a proposed idea,

but a penalty would seem to make sense if a time out was important to the team like it is in football…with slowing the game down having a significant effect of being a needed time out.

And as well, you’re only allowing two challenges. A penalty to me would seem to make more sense if you have more than that as two doesn’t seem like a lot to me to affect the game significantly.

"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 4, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is why I also think the manager only gets tossed

if they miss two replay calls. Again, if the manager argues enough in the game, they’re going to get tossed, so why not in this situation? Having there be some sort of penalty helps to offset overuse of a “replay flag” and it would also require some skill on the part of the manager. The manager would need to decide if it’s worth using a replay flag. Doing so helps build confidence on the part of their players, and maybe not doing so means that the manager needs to be effective at making his team understand why.

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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 4, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is tossing the manager going to accomplish?

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by dtc0405 on Jun 4, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

What does it accomplish now?

If that’s your argument, then there’s no reason to eject a manager currently, and managers should be able to bitch as much as they want.

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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 4, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Replay in its current use on HR calls, help to avoids the long tantrums, the manager comes outs to complain

the umpires get together, use replay if they feel it is necessary, and the game moves on, no arguing. Adding additional replay opportunities, especially at the manager’s discretion rather than the umpires, will avoid the manager coming out and making a huge scene. The point is the get the call right, manager asks for replay if he feels it is needed, the review is done, the correct call is made, and the game moves on. Why eject the manager for asking for two replays that he is given by rule? It just doesn’t fit the sport, IMO.

You can't win in the postseason unless you can manufacture runs. - Hall of Fame 2B Joe Morgan

by dtc0405 on Jun 4, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand your reasoning, I just don't think a penalty is warranted for two challenges.

But such is life. It’s all just ideas and they are sure better than nothing as we have now under Count Dracula von Selig.

"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 4, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Selig would probably be Bub the zombie

from Romero’s Day of the Dead. Dracula actually does stuff.

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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 4, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Dracula doesn't whore out a time honored game simply for money.

I’ve been glad the radio stations don’t play tapes of his quotes about steroids anymore. Just makes me sick hearing him tell lies with so much conviction. He sure does look embalmed.

"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 4, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Without penalty

then the replays would be used in each and every game. There would be no reason not to.

Also, one thing I forgot to mention, I would be in favor of the manager being suspended for a game or longer for too many blown replay calls. This would also stymie overuse of the replay and ensure that replay is only used in situations it should be used it.

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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 4, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

If your only getting two then you have to use them wisely...

managers aren’t going to be using replay for every bang-bang play at a base or close catch diving catch or trap. They will be used when it makes a real difference in the game, probably meaning when a run would score.

You can't win in the postseason unless you can manufacture runs. - Hall of Fame 2B Joe Morgan

by dtc0405 on Jun 4, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

This goes back to managing the players

which I brought up above. Perhaps using a challenge early in the game when their player feels they were safe, or something to that effect, helps instill confidence in the player and helps build trust between the player and the manager. Not using a challenge means the manager needs to actually be effective in managing their team, so that the team knows why a challenge wasn’t used.

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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 4, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's why I have always said that you only should be allowed one replay

so you better make it a good one. People have to get the NFL out of their heads, just because they do it that way doesn’t mean MLB has to. The games and dynamics are totally different.

One reply per game from each team will not slow the game down all that much. And for the most part, how many times do umps blow calls in a game on average?

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by BigJohnAZ on Jun 4, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

And have someone in the booth handle all challenges after the seventh inning.

This would prevent coaches from slowing down the game after that.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 4, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does an NFL coach get tossed if he misses two calls?

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 4, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, but they lose timeouts

Which are extremely valuable to the coach and the team, especially in the second half.

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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 4, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am not one to put alot of stock in lineups, but this one sucks

Batting the two least patient guys 1-2 makes no sense, and at some point Soriano and Ramirez have to be switched. It’s obvious Lou has no idea what to do at this point and he is just grab-bagging. Who knows though, we might get lucky and have a breakout game offensively. Even if that happens I hope Byrd in the leadoff spot is a one-time thing.

by JSB on Jun 4, 2010 6:29 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

+1

I think Fukudome and Soriano should seperate Lee and Ramirez. Maybe a couple days off will have helped with ARam’s hand. Now, what’s going on between his ears, that’s another thing altogether.

Scott Bora$ is satan.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Jun 4, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree!

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by cooliogirl47 on Jun 4, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

fukudome isnt a middle of the order hitter

i thought we learned that 2 years ago

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by jesus christos on Jun 4, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lou looked stoned on the leadoff man.

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by Cubbiegoon on Jun 4, 2010 6:36 PM CDT reply actions  

...

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by Cubbiegoon on Jun 4, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can't really blame him for wanting to do that with this team he's managing.

Probably would help anyway.

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 4, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would think that a Lou on mushrooms

would mean that we would cease having Lee and Ramirez in the 3 and 4 spots. Of course, that could mean having the Philly Phanatic in the 3 spot and a beerman in the 4 spot.

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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 4, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

OT..... hehehe...I did the hockey thread :D

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by cooliogirl47 on Jun 4, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey cool, thanks Coolio. Will be interesting to see how many are left there

with the Captain Morgan Club thing going at Wrigley Field.

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 4, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Slowly gets going to the DL?

I would be willing to bet something other than money that the turnaround you’re hoping for doesn’t happen.

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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 4, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

You mean he looks different at other times?

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 4, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lou's baby picture?

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by Cubbiegoon on Jun 4, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why not just give the umpires the

authority to review the play when the call is questionable. I think they would be responsible enough to do that. If they had that authority the play in question would have been resolved and reversed. Challenges wouldn’t be necessary from the managers.

by Saratoga on Jun 4, 2010 6:37 PM CDT reply actions  

It's not a question of responsibility

Nearly every call the Ump doesn’t have a doubt as to the call they made. Even Joyce was sure he was out until he saw the reply. That’s why you need an Ump sitting in the press box to see the replays and call it out to the Umps on the field, like the Big 10 replay system. Umps are rarely going to say “Eh, I might’ve goofed, let me take a look again”

by Danwood on Jun 4, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

replay of balls strikes

Most are trying to keep replay out of it. What about a bases loaded walk in bot of the 9th on a questionable call. That is as important as a missed double play in the 3rd inning

by cozmotaylor123 on Jun 4, 2010 6:44 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Hence why a booth should review ALL calls after the seventh inning.

So there are no messups.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 4, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Part of me doesn't agree with this

as for the most part, umps get this kind of right. Another part of me agrees with you, just because it keeps the umps honest, and it protects the integrity of the game and ensures fairness for both teams.

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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 4, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I'm not saying umps are corrupt

but I do think some have their own agenda or like to feel like it’s their duty to punish another player, or reward another.

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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 4, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would exempt ball and strike issues for consideration on replay. Just my opinion!

I’m not sure how this will be resolved, but whatever is done will probably be done at a snail’s pace, and that’s probably a good thing.

by Saratoga on Jun 4, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wha?

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by Cubbiegoon on Jun 4, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Braun?

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by Cubbiegoon on Jun 4, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brewers to beat the Cards?

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by cooliogirl47 on Jun 4, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yap. Cards are more of a contender this year.

By the way, stooge feed is up already hehe. Probably won’t have the Cubs thread up tonight as I’ll already have my computer with the Hawks thread and Stooge.

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 4, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

You don't have VS?

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by Cubbiegoon on Jun 4, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cards vs. Brewers playing tonight.

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 4, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

Will be difficult cheering for bug-eyed home run freak.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 4, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love the fact lou does not give in to what everybody else thinks and keeps our .160 hittier batting cleanup!

If he is getting fired, go down swinging Lou! Don’t change for anyone! Whether its working or not!

by TJ11 on Jun 4, 2010 7:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Its my way or the highway!

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by eswan9 on Jun 4, 2010 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll take the highway.

Interstate 8, due east, away from San Diego!

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 4, 2010 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

ramirez

needs to work out his problems out in the 7th spot. i know he has to play but to leave him in the 4 spot is just stupid.

by NOMAR on Jun 5, 2010 7:20 AM CDT reply actions  

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