All-purpose, all-encompassing, "When are you done?" thread
I was gone most of the night and just caught the final score. My first reaction was disbelief, and then I made a stab at anger, but it wasn't there.
That's when I realized that I stopped caring.
I had a lot of fun the last two days here, talking about baseball issues -- like replay and Thurman Munson and Jamie Moyer -- that had nothing to do with the Cubs. It was a refreshing kind of "staycation" where we still talked baseball, but were away from the Cubs, which feel like work right now.
But now I'm done. The first Pirates series was the jab. The second series was the right cross and the first game of the Astros series was the uppercut that put me to the canvas.
Those of you who wish to join me, the line forms to the right. Those of you who wish to stay and fight on, more power to you. You have more strength than me.
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done?
as in done caring about the team? Or done as in thinking about positive possibilities for the rest of this year? I’ll be a Cubs fan through and through, but I guess I’m not as disappointed as others because this was basically what I expected this year. Maybe a tinge better, but nothing noticeably different. Now, how we’ve gotten here is far different from what I expected in some respects, but the bottom line is the bottom line.
The Pirates series and the loss to the Astros tonight were disappointing, but the Cubs were not a far superior team to either of these clubs. The Astros have a very good top of the rotation with a solid pen, and once the lineup got hot, which is what we’ve been hoping for as well, they were going to be decent. I predicted the Pirates last, but that was more due to the fact that I expected them to sell pieces at the deadline.
As constructed, this team simply was going to be streaky at best.
by toonsterwu on Jun 4, 2010 10:56 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
How we have gotten here hurts
I didn’t expect the Cubs to make the playoffs this year, but seeing our two best hitters become our two worst hitters has made this season much more frustrating than if Silva had blown up, Byrd had disappointed, and Soriano had played like he did in 2009 etc. Knowing that we could have at least had an interesting summer if Lee/Ramirez played to their normal capability is a stomach punch.
here here to
having realistic expectations for this team coming in
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 5, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Honestly
I’m not the best fan. I love the Cubs, but football is my sport. The Cubs just keep me going during the lean summer months, and I have to confess, there is something about hearing Pat call a game that’s good for my soul.
With all of the college football expansion rumors flying around, particularly the Pac 10 yesterday and the Big 10 overall, I hit that point yesterday. It’s more fun to pay attention to that than paying attention to the Cubs.
I’ll still tune in, watch and listen, and be here. But my interest is elsewhere.
OT: RIP John Wooden
It never gets to be easy
Planning College Football Trips
On the bright side, you likely won’t have to worry about any Cubs playoff games in October conflicting with the Iowa’s football schedule.
Down my way, I’m already planning trips to Starkville, Oxford, Jonesboro, and Nashville. I can’t wait til September 4, when the majority of division 1-A teams start playing football.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
I am not done
I am looking forward to seeing if the Cubs can somehow pull their heads out of their asses in the next two weeks and make a run at it. Beyond that I am looking forward to seeing the trades that Hendry will make to get something for Lilly and Lee and hopefully bring up some prospects and see how they develop.
Sipping the Kool-Aid since 1982 - Kinda
Currently 34,839 on the Season Ticket Wait List - Expected age of being #0: 119
Do you really think Hendry will trade those players?
Historically, he hasn’t traded away high profile veteran players at the deadline (Maddux and perhaps Todd Walker are the only two I can think of, but there might be a few more). Nothing is going to change until Hendry is gone. I know he’s a nice guy, but this has gone on long enough. Ricketts needs to wake up and DO SOMETHING!
"See the stars they're shining bright, everything's alright tonight."
by markleonette on Jun 4, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been pretty done with 2010 for a couple of weeks
But not with the Cubs. Now I am rooting for someone in team management (Ricketts?) to figure out this season doesn’t hold any real promise and start to do what needs to be done for the future.
I'm not done until they are mathematically eliminated
I put myself through suffering because of that.
Me too.
Sometimes though I wonder what exactly is it that I did that I feel the need to punish myself this way for.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
This team was fool's gold from the getgo
I never imagined that Lee and Ramirez would gut the offense the way they have, but many, many rational fans saw this team as not capable of doing much.
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Depends on what you mean by done...
If you mean following the season with interest, then when there’s no more season to follow. If you mean baseball in general, then it’s pretty much the same. It’s kind of my job. If you’re asking about expecting the Cubs to contend, tonight pretty much did it. Seriously. A guy with a .627 OPS hitting in the two-hole, while another with a .158 BA is yet again batting cleanup, while the manager continues to say “I don’t know what to do”. It’s Amateur Night, man.
You scored one run with that dreadful lineup. I’m shocked. Shocked, I tell you. Geez. I honestly know 10 year olds who could have put together a better lineup.
I'd like to know what he means by done as well.
Surely if he means done with expecting them to get to the playoffs or have a “good” season this year, then yeah I’m with him. I’ll keep following them because they are my team, but my expectations are pretty much gone. I didn’t have a lot of expectation in spring training but I suppose being a Cub fan made me think its always possible at the beginning a little…and that has been pretty much trampled out. I would say here that I won’t miss those who would hang around just to predict failure, though I frequently complain it gets old hearing any positive thought instantly negated by you’re crazy, look at all these stats…
Ah well. Losing seasons always bring out depression a little. Gotta ignore it.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 7, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Know the feeling
Believe I hear the faint sounds of a lady warming up to sing.
Long summer, I’ll probably still watch the games I can catch, but I think I’m done scheduling a day around them overall.
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
1/3 of the season over and it doesn't look good
Cubs are on a pace to win 72 games in 2010. There’s no way I would’ve thought that coming out of spring training, and probably a lot of you didn’t either.
Barring a miracle, it’s going to be a very disappointing year. But one advantage to keep watching the Cubs is that I won’t be driving myself nuts with every K and GIDP with runners in scoring position. Since they won’t be fighting for a postseason spot anyway, there’s no point in me agonizing over every wasted opportunity in every game. I can relax a bit, and root for young guys like Castro and Colvin and Cashner to do well – assuming Lou actually gives Colvin playing time and doesn’t let Cashner rot in the bullpen.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Worf, may I suggest you watch Rocky III before you shut it down for the season
Particularly the part where Rocky says to Clubber Lang…

You ain’t so bad, you ain’t so bad, you ain’t nothin’. C’mon, champ, hit me in the face! My mom hits harder than you!
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
This team wishes they had the balls Rocky has
Hell, my neutered dogs have bigger balls than this team.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 5, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Right now... I think we're in the first Rocky-Clubber fight
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
This season feels more like the scene where Mickey
has a grabber in the tunnel.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
Haha I love that quote!!!
Apollo: “He’s gettin killed!”
Paulie: “No, no, no, he’s not gettin killed, he’s gettin mad!!!!”
Don't forget Rocky is F-I-C-T-I-O-N
In real life, he would have been TKO’ed in the 5th. Sort of like the 2010 Cubs……
Yeah, there is a statue of him to prove he's real
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jun 8, 2010 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions
This has been such a lousy f'n team
for the last two years. Since the middle of last year’s season I’ve been calling for Lou to get fired. At the time those calls were seemingly outrageous, mainly because Lou had a good 2008 and 2007, and a lot of games with teams that had great talent who happened to also be playing very well at the time. With teams that struggle, Lou can’t do anything.
Jump to this season and Ramirez is in a Andruw Jones like tailspin, Lee is floundering, Soto is slumping, Castro hits 8th, Soriano can’t even hit cleanup, Colvin doesn’t get played, Lee/Ramirez are YOUR 3 and 4 hitters, at second base: Ryan Theriot!, etc., etc.
It’s painful to watch this team. Barring the firing of Lou and signing of a manager who will light a fire under this team’s ass, this season is over, and I have far too much stuff going on to continue to care for this miserable failure of a team.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 5, 2010 12:35 AM CDT reply actions
i honestly don't think a new manager
will dramatically change things for this club. as constructed, this team was simply going to be streaky offensively, due to the inconsistent top of the lineup. If they could find a top of the order 2nd baseman … that might change things. just not sure a new manager is going to change all that much.
A new manager may not make much difference.
But keeping a flailing manager is the equivalent of replacing the “Friendly Confines” sign with a big, flashing “We Don’t Care.” As much as I think 2010 is a lost cause, I absolutely don’t want to see the organization content with sucking. It is also true at this point that Lou is sabotaging the future, keeping Colvin on the bench while hitting .300, batting Castro 8th, and keeping Ramirez in the lineup long enough he will be screwed up in 2011, too (when he is owed $16M and will still be 3B for the Cubs).
I sympathize with your feelings,
but I’ll never be done with the Cubs, even in sucky years like this one. I can’t stand the months without baseball and I have to watch as much as I can, especially the teams I root for. Call me a masochist if you will, but that’s just how it is with me.
I'm done expecting anything from the 2010 Cubs.
I’ll still watch them and pull for them, but it doesn’t really matter to me if they lose anymore.
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." - Albert Einstein
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jun 5, 2010 12:50 AM CDT reply actions
I've seen worse than 2010.
You people are weak.
by bourbon_and_branch on Jun 5, 2010 5:43 AM CDT reply actions
The 0-14 start is the worst I can remember
but that was a nickel and dime team as it was a nickel and dime club for a majority of my younger years. Now though, money has been spent for this team to be world beaters, not bed shitters.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 5, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
In fairness
you have a personal (you have season tickets you don’t want to feel you’re wasting) and financial (you make more money on this site the more interest there is in the team) interest in not quiting this team.
DEJESUS!!!
We fight a lot
but if Al gives up, that’s when I just pull the pillow over my head and not come out for anything.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
That's very true
I saw Al just 5 hours ago, tossing back 6-raw-egg cocktails, wearing gray sweats, running through the streets of Chicago, chasing ARam’s live chickens, pounding on butchered goats, racing Billy Williams along North Avenue Beach, pulling a pedi-cab filled with the Superfans (Da Bears) around Wrigley and running up the steps of the bleachers.

Cue the music…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Given who the Blackhawks are playing, that may not have been the best photo choice.
And I would never pound goats.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Not to Mention That...
Rocky came out during the heyday of the Broad Street Bullies in the mid-1970’s. I don’t think the theme “Gonna Fly Now” had anything to do with the Flyers name.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Yes, but would you pound sand?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 7, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Ballhawk, I like you, so don't take this questioning the wrong way
but why, exactly, are you comparing the Cubs to Rocky?
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 5, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Underdogs?
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
actually it's more like comparing Cub fans to Rocky
Allie’s right – it’s the whole underdog thing, never giving up, getting the crap kicked out of us most seasons but always hanging in there, sometimes even laughing at whoever is the crap-kicker du jour telling them “you ain’t so bad, you ain’t so bad”.
Now if I was going to compare this year’s Cubs (the team, not the fans) to some movie situation…. well, I’m sure there are lots of choices but the first one that comes to mind is One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest. ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
If this was Wheel of Fortune
the D and the N would be showing and the contestant is getting ready to buy a vowel…
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
and Lou would say... "Pat, I'd like to buy an A"
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Hendry would buy a "U" for $145 million dollars.
SAJAK: Well, the going rate on vowels is only $250. And did you say a “U”?
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by D98 on Jun 5, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
No, he'd by a "W"
And try to MAKE it be a vowel.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 5, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Again, Al,
I think a lot of people are rooting for this team to fail, if only A) so they can say “See! I told you so!” or so their grand designs of rebuilding/firing everybody can begin to happen.
You could tell them you see teams underachieve and overachieve all the time, teams get hot and cold inexplicably, but they don’t give a damn.
I’m not saying this team’s going to transform itself into the ’27 Yankees, but …
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 6, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Bravo Sierra
I hate the fact that the Cubs suck, but that fact remains.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
The team
is on pace for 72 wins 1/3 into the season. Since your average wild card team wins about 88 games (a guess on my part), this club needs to pick up about 16 more wins than projected over the course of the season.
If I had to choose between putting my eggs in that basket, or being a realist and start unloading some guys this season, I’d choose the latter. If it takes another string of losses to make that happen, I can live with that.
What I can’t live with is the team grinding it’s way to 84 wins, keeping Hendry, and having them sign keep/resign the aging, declining, overpaid veterans who are like a noose around this team because we were “close” this year.
There is a fair amount of young talent in the system. A smart GM having a smart trade deadline/off-season could make for a relative short-lived rebuilding. Unfortunately, I don’t think Hendry is that GM. A quiet trade deadline and an off-season spent resigning Lee, Theriot, etc could send this team to an extended purgatory.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 6, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
All of that may very well be the best course.
Nevertheless, it is too early to make that judgment.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
When is not too early?
Some will say, “When the Cubs are eliminated.” However, that point is too late to get value for tradable pieces.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Look back at the last 10-15 years.
Tell me how many teams have traded significant starting players before July 1.
I’ll wait.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Oh, I'm sure that not many have.
That’s not what I asked, though – when is it too early to make that judgement?
Because pre-July 1 or not, I’ll bet you 1000 Big Gulps that neither the Astros nor the Pirates are making the post-season in 2010.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Now is too early to make the judgment for most teams.
And I know about the Pirates and Astros. Orioles, too.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I don't disagree - but when for the Cubs?
As down as I am on them, I’d be disappointed to see wholesale changes today.
However, in a week or two, if they still are floundering . . .
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok
I’d give them that at MOST.
I hope tomorrow starts a 10-game winning streak and it becomes a non-issue.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Carlos Beltran - traded from the Royals to Astros during June 2004
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terrible
the way this team is struggling. how this lineup only scores 1 or 2 runs a game is mind boggling.still i love the team and will always be there.as the losses mount they sting less and less as i seem to accept the inevitable. i really thought we would be in the hunt this season. this lee/ramirez crash has really affected this team badly.
I am MUCH
more interested to see what is done to make this team better in 2011 than to see what happens in 2010. I’ll probably get flamed for saying this, but if the team is going to be bad, I’d rather they be horrifically bad—like 70 win bad, because that will induce major changes, and I think this team needs major changes.
DEJESUS!!!
Then you're going to be doubly disappointed.
I will be very pleasantly surprised if this team does much of anything to make itself better for 2011 – except, of course, for losing a bunch of baseball games and moderately improving their draft position.
In retrospect, wouldn’t it have been better to have been horrifically bad last year? Maybe we would have gotten a head start on rebuilding.
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by D98 on Jun 5, 2010 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions
playing a ... devil's advocate
well not really but i don’t have the brain energy to think of the right term for now … but I can make the argument that this team is one player away from being far more competitive. If they can add a top of the order hitter to balance things out a bit, then things look completely different.
I think things will be a bit different in 2011, although those change may not happen until the offseason. Random guesses at this point in time – I imagine Fukudome could get dealt, I think Lee is gone, I think there’s a chance Theriot/Fontenot are both let go, I think some ineffective pen arms may be released, I think Lilly is a goner. Sure, a lot of these are obvious moves, but changing 20% of the 25 man is a big deal, and in making these changes, you might be able to finally change the complexion of the team. Of course, that depends on the plan they set at the winter organizational meetings.
you mean like Jose Reyes (if Mets don't pick up his $11M option)?
Mets are already at $108M for 10 players for 2011. Still, assuming he plays well rest of season showing complete recovery from leg/thyroid issuess, they’d be foolish not to pick it up and extend. Unless they’ve got a hotshot MI coming up – I’m not familiar with their farm system.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
i actually wasn't referencing anyone in particular
just that, if we added a good top of the order hitter (say, at 2nd base), then we could rotate fukudome/castro in the 2 hole) and I think the lineup is much better, much more capable of avoiding slumps.
as for the mets, best guy is probably tejeda, and he’s not really a top level guy. Somewhere between Castro and Barney perhaps.
Unloading some
dead money this year and earmarking it towards someone like Reyes (if he doesn’t get re-signed) is something I’d like. I’d be surprised if they didn’t pick up his option, but I’d be surprised if they didn’t listen to offers for him. Maybe send them one of our surplus SSs and an arm.
DEJESUS!!!
If Reyes is effective, the Mets will pick up the option
If he isn’t, well, why would the Cubs want him?
He used to be good
why WOULDN’T they want him?
/hendry logic
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
Sadly, so true.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 7, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
D98 could be right on with this
In my opinion it’s going to take at least another year of “reloading” to right the ship. So in 2011 we might see another 70+ win effort, although we might also see more new faces from AA and AAA. Plus it would be awesome to see Castro/Colvin/Cashner settling in and making their presence known the way Marshall and Marmol have done this season.
Meanwhile I’d expect to see some of the old guard remaining next year. Guys like Sori who have a contract the size of Lake Michigan, and ARam whom I’m guessing won’t opt out of his deal. On the other hand, some of the other deals will be off the books (Lee, Lilly) or in their last year (Fukudome). There’s even a chance that Theriot and Byrd will be dealt by ST next year.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
I think it's more likely that
Theriot gets non-tendered unless he turns it around. The market for a light-hitting 2nd baseman who is relatively costly isn’t that high, IMO.
There are a lot of moves
that make sense and should happen (like non-tendering Theriot, trading Lee (or offering arb if they keep him), etc that would most certainly happen if we got a new GM, but may not happen if Hendry stays.
DEJESUS!!!
Theriot may be worth something in July
If a contending team needs a back-up/fill-in middle infielder. Not top prospect value, but probably more than just letting him go.
I don't know about that
Most playoff contenders probably either have someone on their bench or in the high minors that could do what Theriot does, and likely at a lower price. Use that guy and invest the extra money elsewhere.
heck
we have someone in AAA that could do what Theriot does right now (Darwin Barney).
I'm thinking about injuries
A contending team sustains an injury and needs a fill-in. As I said, you won’t get a lot, but for a non-tender I believe the Cubs get nothing.
I'll still watch
I always do. Heck, I made the three hour trip with one of my boys to watch a game at Wrigley in 2006. I’m going up for two games this year. The passion is dampened a bit though. The losses aren’t bothering me as much now as they do when they are in contention, so I guess maybe I don’t care as much. But I still enjoy the victories, rare as they are. I would enjoy them even if they were 30 games out. The season has been really disappointing though.
On another note, I think Piniella should be fired. It just seems to me that he has given up and is just going through the motions. Send him on his way to retirement and put somebody in there with a little fire and passion.
Down..... not Done...........Never.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
if you stopped caring
does that mean we will be spared your insipid posts? One can only hope.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
I can't leave
You would lose all purpose in what passes for your life
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
don't be bitter, worf
I am not the reason you are an idiot.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jun 6, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Every time you use a personal insult, a baby bunny gets kicked in the balls
think about that the next time you insult me
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by you I suspect
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jun 6, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
yes, insipid
–adjective
without distinctive, interesting, or stimulating qualities; vapid
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jun 6, 2010 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I think most would admit
like them or hate them, Work’s posts are distinctive. I think someone was trying to hard to use a fancy word that didn’t necessarily apply.
DEJESUS!!!
a tire track tattoo on your face is distinctive, too
but only so because it is so stupid. Insipid aptly describes worf’s posts.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jun 6, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
And yet you find every single post I make and make a comment
So these posts without distinction or stimulating qualities somehow entertain you.
That’s a you problem, not a me problem.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Paranoid much???
To say I “find every post you make and make a comment” is at best hyperbole and at worst a flat out lie. Only you know for sure which it is, worf.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jun 6, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
You lose some
credibility when you use this as a forum for unprovoked personal attacks.
DEJESUS!!!
if you are so concerned with unprovoked personal attacks
how do you justify defending worf?
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jun 7, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Because not everyong is filled with deranged hate
and soul-sucking jealousy over the glory that is Worf
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Done not yet
The love of the Cubs will continue. This year has frustrated the hell out of me. See I don’t see this team as horrible as some do.
I just think at this time Lou is not the man for the job. He was for 07 and 08, and should of been gone after 08.
The frustration lies with Theriot continues to hit leadoff or in the 2 hole, Castro hitting 8th, Soto continues to suck, Dome is a nice human being I am sure, however he is a average baseball player with a great glove. Dome experiment is over. Colvin getting 25 AB’s in the month of May, WTF!, “Z” well who knows with him.
This team needs a new manager, however Hendry won’t fire him, doesn’t have the balls.
If the Cubs get swept this weekend against the Astro’s, yeah I guess I will look forward to Penn State football and the Cleveland Browns.
"He should have been gone after 08"
Yes, because teams fire managers of 97-win teams all the time.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 6, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
People sure like exaggerating someone's failure when they get disappointed.
“I was saying that back when colonel sanders was a private!” That kind of stuff always makes me realize blogs can bring out the worst in logic with people. Add to that being led to bizarre arguments with stats you’ve never heard of.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 7, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
"Done" isn't necessarily the same as "not caring."
I have significantly scaled back the amount of time I spend watching this team. I live on the North Side, and went to about a dozen games in each of the past two years. I bet I’ll get to a half-dozen this season.
That doesn’t mean I don’t care, and it doesn’t mean I won’t watch to see Castro and Colvin or Marmol. But I certainly won’t watch as much, and as far as putting my hopes on this team in 2010 … I was done a few weeks ago.
I know that we were in a similar situation in 2007, that the Marlins came from nowhere in ’03, etc. But this team looks so lifeless. I say plan for 2011 and beyond — that will actually be more fun to watch than the Lee/Aramis nucleus trying to get to .500.
Not done...
maybe scale back on the watching and listening, lower the the expectations for this year and wait to see what happens next year. And yeah, probably skip Tuesday night’s game to listen to the Nationals radio broadcast of Strasburg’s major league debut. But give up on the Cubs, never. They’ll get turned around again at some point.
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain
For me...
…if Ricketts doesn’t take the baseball organization in a new direction this offseason, it will be very difficult for me to conjur up the desire to care what happens anymore.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
i wouldn't want ricketts to overhaul everything
I’m fairly pleased with the minor league operations. things could always be better, but it seems like the Cubs are doing a good job of identifying coaches and managers. I like Wilken’s drafts enough. There’s enough positive momentum in the system right now at the minor league level.
They may have decent parts...
…but the guy leading the thing has got to go.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Not done
Not after the offensive explosion Saturday night! The Sunday loss against the Cardinals set the table for almost a week. I’d bet Colvin plays more, the bullpen seems to have settled some, maybe Ramirez is ready to start hitting? Five-hundred baseball is closer than it seems, but obviously the offense has to produce more.
I go through levels of optimism, and the Pittsburgh redux did do some damage for me, but I still think this team has the talent to bounce back.
I think teams can gel as late as August and still make the playoffs as long as they are near .500 by the end of July.
"I'd rather hit home runs you don't have to run as hard." -- Dave Kingman
by BucknerKongCardenal on Jun 5, 2010 9:27 PM CDT reply actions
85 wins
ain’t winning a division this year
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 6, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Because, for example...
… on June 23, 2007, the Brewers were 43-31, on pace for 94 wins.
The Cubs were 8.5 games behind them.
Please remind me how that season ended up.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Since we're even on Big Gulps . . .
Wanna try again? I’ll step into this conversation and bet one Big Gulp payable in 2011 that the NL Central champion in 2010 has at least 86 wins.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Alrighty. Congrats on winning the last one.
I wish you’d have won by more…
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure it's possible...
…but that club had the momentum of changes that started to ignite that club, and that is why their record from July on was pretty good.
This year, I believe it will be much more difficult for this group to find that spark that gets everyone going in the right direction, but stranger things have indeed happened.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
brewers run differential
was +29, their record was way above their heads
the cards run differential is in the +60’s
throw in the fact that the cardinals were projected to be a 90+ win team (i.e. this level of performance isn’t unexpected) and i’m pretty confident they can play .500 ball the rest of the season
the only way 85 games is all that wins this division is if Pujols gets hurt for an extended period of time
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 6, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Al, what's more likely to happen?
Come on, really.
You can always find a few outliers in any situation.
I'm sure his projections
tell him all he needs to know.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 6, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
i dont even need to run projections
its common sense
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 6, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
With all due respect to NBF, perhaps I have an avatar for you:

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
well played
unfortunately i wish people understood i don’t really enjoy being “right” on this stuff. I’d prefer the Cubs operated in a way that made sense and i’d prefer the fan-base was a bit more knowledgeable and rational about expectations
unfortunately when you have an organization that has sold winning 85 games as contention and a bunch of fans who have bought it hook, line, and sinker; you end up with irrational exuberance about unlikely results
then when things don’t turn out the way that everyone had hoped they start acting like its shocking and heads should roll
its ridiculous
and i’ve said all along if i can at all help in managing expectations or directing attention to where there are things to get excited about or expect improvement, i try to do that
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 6, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know where you're coming from
I didn’t have high expectations for 2010, either. I don’t see why saying so is considered seditious – and more so when it turns out to be correct.
I am delighted that I have been wrong about Carlos Silva. I freely admit that I have been wrong. I was also wrong about [name redacted] last year, but not so thrilled about that case.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
It's willful ignorance.
Before the season, when posters noted that the team’s mathematical predictions were between 80-82 wins, NBF and the like scoffed at the entire idea of statistical projections, and claimed that this team had high 80’s or 90+ win talent.
WIth 1/3 of the season done and the team actually underperforming that 80-82 win projection, NBF and the like continue to claim that no changes are needed because the team is very talented, these failures are abberations, and they are about to turn it around, despite the fact that there is no evidence, based on past or current performance, to back that position up.
When (as in 2009) the season is over and the team actually has failed, NBF will forget that the entire discussion ever happened and will start scoffing at the 2011 projections.
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Regardless...
… there will be plenty of teams this year who under- or overperform their mathematical projections.
Got an explanation for that other than luck? Or the fact that the projections aren’t always right?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Well, yeah. Some players outperform or underperform their projections.
No one is saying that the CHONE or PECOTA projections are guaranteed to be completely spot-on for every player and every team, every time.
They’re usually pretty good, though, as decades of baseball results demonstrate that players performance tends to increase and then decrease throughout their career in generally definable patterns.
Another reason why they’re usually pretty good is because we’re looking at the collective projected performance of a team in order to project the teams’ finish – so while some guys are going to outperform their expectations, others will underperform, and the collective projection winds up more or less reflecting reality.
In some cases, obviously, a sizeable portion of a team will outperform or underperform their expectations – and that could be caused by any number of things: injuries, a rapidly developing rookie, an inexplicable Dale Murphy level collapse from your All-Star 3B… you name it. These things happen every year – but that doesn’t undercut the rationale for, or the usefulness of, statistical projection in predicting a teams’ finish.
More to the point – we had a projection for the 2010 Cubs that you thought was far too low, because the team was too “talented” to win only 80-82 games. We have now seen the team underperform that projection for a full 1/3 of the season.
Surely you have to see that, as the sample dataset becomes known and hews almost exactly with the projected dataset, that the confidence level in the predicted finish increases. Right?
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Sure.
What bothers me is the certainty with which some people — not necessarily you — put forth these projections as if they are etched in stone.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And what bothers me....
….is how, when the team performs exactly as predicted, NBF claims that we’re “happy” that the Cubs failed because we’re only interested in being “right”, and that Cubs fans are so stupid and neurotic for expecting the team to underperform in the first place.
Ultimately, this is a team with a mediocre talent level, which is performing more or less in line with the projections based on that talent level.
I suppose that we can get upset with Lou for his failure to turn mediocrity into gold, or we can get upset with the players for doing (as a whole) more or less what was expected of them based on their histories.
Ultimately, however, I think that the only reasonable place to apportion blame is the front office, which spent a galactic sum of money on a team that doesn’t add up to much on paper, and doesn’t add up to much on the field.
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by D98 on Jun 7, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Obsess much, D98?
When I walk out of my house to go to work today, I half expect to see you standing in my driveway.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 7, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Baring big injuries...
…I would say the Cards will win 90+ games this year.
At the end of the day, I’ll say the Cards win the division by 8+ games.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
yeah i can
book it
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 6, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll remember you said this.
It may happen. Or it may not. But I don’t think you can make that guarantee on June 6.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
remember whatever you'd like
i’m not speaking on a whim here
i have a pretty good understanding of how likely things are to happen. i think i’ve demonstrated this over time
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 6, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think people like you
realize how conceited and arrogant you sound, DCF. (And I’m not saying that to necessarily get on your case, but again, this is the difference between math people and non-math people.)
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 6, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
that's fine
i don’t think people like you and Al who sound so definitive about things without any understanding of the likelihood behind them have any idea how uneducated you sound on these topics to me
but that’s different perception to different people
and that’s fine
You think i’m arrogant, i think you’re ignorant
it is what it is
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 6, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll take it a step farther
Projections aren’t predictions. Probabilities are just that and not infallible.
However – not to get on your case, NBF, but when you make statements like, “your projections probably have told you all you need to know”, you sound like a flat earther. A little open-mindedness wouldn’t kill you.
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Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
A little openmindedness...
… on the part of DCF, who sniffs that those who don’t buy all the numbers are “uneducated”, would also be nice.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
how would you like me to act?
I’ve admitted being wrong on things like SIlva’s production and Dempster’s contract which i originally deemed transactions unlikely to provide positive value.
I’ve stated many times before that projections and things aren’t certainties. I’ve stated it EXPLICITLY and its been ignored
I’ve also stated when things are ludicrous. If I made some sort of statement that Neifi Perez would lead the league in HR’s, I’d expect you to call me out on it.
That’s the equivalent of some of the comments you make and I respond accordingly
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 6, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Calling us "uneducated" was real condescending.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Fair point
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
read the quote
it was a direct replication of NBF’s quote to me:
" I don’t think people like you
realize how conceited and arrogant you sound, DCF"
“i don’t think people like you and Al who sound so definitive about things without any understanding of the likelihood behind them have any idea how uneducated you sound on these topics to me”
how arrogant “you sound”
how uneducated “you sound”
call it both ways
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 6, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
And I guess that's what I'm saying -
Call it both ways.
To Al’s point, I wouldn’t have included someone that wasn’t in the discussion in your comment, though.
And with that, I’m going to stop butting in for now and go eat dinner.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
that's my frustration
i get chided for a condescending tone, but NBF who could arguably be the most condescending poster on the board gets ignored, because he happens to share the same opinion as Al
its frustrating
notice, there’s still no explanation as to how I could improve things in my posts.
I’m certainly not infallible and I’m willing to do my best to adapt to a better posting technique if one is outlined, but i get frustrated when a standard is asked of one group of people and not the other
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 7, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You could start by stop calling people "uneducated".
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
SOUND
uneducated….
how is that different from SOUND arrogant?
why aren’t the two treated the same?
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 7, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm generally on your side
but whether you said uneducated or “sounds” uneducated, it’’s a condescending and provocative thing to say.
DEJESUS!!!
i admit that
and perhaps i chose my words poorly
i’m still not sure i understand the double-standard between myself and NBF or on a much larger scale those that are stat-oriented and those that aren’t
the stat oriented are constantly asked to temper their words on this site or to choose a different course, but when someone who is on the other end of the spectrum makes irrational/condescending posts, nothing is said
the double standard is annoying
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 7, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
You have no idea what I've said to some here off site.
Trust me, both “sides” have been admonished at times.
And, as I wrote when I did that conversation with Shawn, there shouldn’t even be “sides”.
Feel better now?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
If I may be so bold...
The problem with that is DCF doesn’t see what you’ve said to others off site. Not that DCF (or any of us) should – that’s obviously stuff best kept between administrator and individual user.
It’s the inconsistencies, real or perceived, that tend to roil the waters. Again, just using this situation as an example, if DCF gets called out publicly, fairness would dictate that NBF does too, assuming offenses are comparable.
IOW, if you call one party out publicly, call them all out – again, assuming comparable offenses. May not resolve the issue, but at least it removes the “double-standard” argument from play.
Likewise, if this is something better handled privately, then I think we have to and should trust that Al as administrator would send messages to all parties.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Everything you posted in this was
sounding aloof and as if you have secret knowledge the rest of us mortals only struggle to comprehend. It’s common sense…uneducated…irrational…not knowledgeable…if you just state your opinion and leave room for others you won’t have people angry at you, or at least you shouldn’t. But when you insult people around here that disagree with you, then your defense of “yeah but they do it too” sounds pretty hypocritical. These discussions here would go so much better if people would just say what they feel without insults or condescension.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 7, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Amen.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jun 7, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Nit - he said that those statements "sound" uneducated.
Not that you and NBF are uneducated.
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You won't get anywhere with someone who says,
remember whatever you’d like i’m not speaking on a whim here
i have a pretty good understanding of how likely things are to happen. i think i’ve demonstrated this over time
That’s someone who thinks only their opinion matters, based on their opinion. You can’t sway that to listen to others or respect their opinions.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 7, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
With all due respect
You know I like this site. I think that you do a great job, and I’ve enjoyed talking to you in person – so, I am not attacking you.
From where I sit, with no real dog in the fight, it seems like one camp is given a bit more leeway in how they respond in this – i.e. with borderline personal attacks.
Anytime anyone suggests that the Cubs aren’t championship caliber, there is a subset of BCB that has at least one member (sorry to use math lingo, but it is what it is) who feels the need to attack the poster as not a Cub fan or arrogant, or wanting them to lose for the sake of being right, etc. Frankly, it’s old.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
See my comment above...
… with which you agreed, for one of the reasons.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yep, I do agree with that
But my point stands on the leeway. I really am not trying to call anyone out here, but there is a trend of attacks when someone disagrees with an opinion.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I know a wee bit about statistics and probability, SB
I took classes in it in graduate school, back in the stone age.
But I also know sports is not like flipping a coin or rolling dice.
I get what you’re saying, but it’s also not the Alpha and Omega.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 6, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
No doubt.
I think we agree on that. And I admit I’m sticking my nose in this one, but I just think you could soften the rhetoric when you disagree.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair point
And you’re not sticking your nose in anything. This is a public forum, after all. Not only that, I value your opinion.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 7, 2010 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the kind words.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 7, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Projections certainly aren't guarantees.
However, when you are then given 1/3 of your data sample, and it hews pretty closely with the initial projection (or, in this case, actually falls short of the projection), your confidence in the projection can be increased pretty dramatically.
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Do what I can...
I listen to a game or watch on TV when I am available. I will NOT go out of my way (avoiding other plans or other things to do) to watch a lousy team. I got better things to do. If I’m home and they are on, I will watch. If I’m in the car and they are on, I will listen to Pat (while tuning out Ron).
In all honesty though, the last few radio broadcasts have been a joy with Dave Otto. Not having Ron there elevates Pat (who is already good despite Ron).
Ain't that the truth
Otto isn’t the greatest radio guy, but compared to Santo he’s Vin Scully.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 6, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think I'm ever done with the Cubs or Sox until Game 162...or on rare occasions Game 163
Truth be told, I’ve barely paid attention to the Cubs this season (or checked BleedCubbieBlue much for that matter), so far, but this has nothing to do with how the team’s done. My following of baseball is always lax during World Cup years until after the All Star Break. That said, during normal seasons I always enjoy listening to the game on the radio (or MLB Audio) or catching whatever games I can in person. I see no reason to expect it to be any different later this season when the World Cup has passed. Heck, even now I’m catching about every 5th or 6th game, at worst, so it will only get better once soccer is done.
More than any other sport I can think of, anyone is capable of winning any baseball game (in our worst years, we still win ~40% of our games and in our best, we still lose ~40%). Even if the team is hopelessly out of the playoff picture, you can still enjoy each game, one at a time. There’s always the simple joys of hearing the crack of the bat or the roar of the crowd. The joys of enjoying a cold beer and warm dog at the field…or even in your own backyard for that matter. The joys of filling out your scorecard and occasionally seeing things you’ve never seen before (…and wondering how you’ll ever score them). Whether you’re buyers, sellers or just sitting on the sidelines, the Trading Deadline is fun to talk about. Even seeing the fresh faces in September for the roster expansion can be something. In victory or in defeat, the game is rarely stale for me so long as the team itself hasn’t completely given up.
Maybe I’ve just lived through too many losing seasons during the course of my life, but I’m not sure I’ll ever be at the point where I can’t enjoy following a Cubs or Sox game. So, no, I don’t expect I’ll be “done” this season for quite a few months. I’m a glutton for punishment, I guess :)
I'm a Medium Rare
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
I'm burned to a crisp
I no longer even believe a managerial team would help the team make the playoffs, but I still think Lou’s time is up.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
hmmm...that sounds pretty close to my feeling venom.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 7, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree Lou needs to go.
It may not make much of a difference, but if they are still trying to win with this roster basically , getting new leadership seems the way to go.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jun 8, 2010 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm with ya
I’ll be officially done around July 1 when the Bulls sign LeBron and then try to work sign and trades to land Bosh, Johnson, Dirk, Boozer, or Stoudemire.
I’ll follow the minro league guys but have lost interest in this season. Love to see Hendry gorw some stones and make some bold trades, but that ain’t likely.
Let's hope they do sign LeBron and an adaquate cast to support him.
That would definitely pick up my interest in the Bulls…it’s been on autopilot watching them assemble pieces that are obviously meant to reach only the first round of the playoffs.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 7, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
love that last sentence
it is so true, I chuckled out loud reading it.
May 5!
I called it on the holiday. Marked “Season Over” on my calendar. I knew it was early, but i saw nothing in this team from the bigger issues to the smallest detail that made me think they would do anything but what they are doing right now.
That is what I get for buying tickets for a September series before the season starts! Ugh, starting to feel like 2006. Can they loose 100? Maybe.
Couple more games like the Brewers game last night might actually force Ownerships hand (I can hope)
Good Guys Wear Blue
Well..
It’s doubtful I’ll go to many games this year. My interest in football will shift quicker. But I’ve always been a baseball fan, not just a Cub fan. I’ll watch the contenders and probably catch most of the playoffs and WS regardless of who is in it.
Favre-enfreude
The thrill of seeing an epic Brett Favre fail. Derived from schadenfreude - satisfaction or pleasure felt at someone else's misfortune.
Personally
I was done weeks ago after yet another masterful bullpen juggling act by Pinella. I haven’t watched a game since then and won’t until the 15th when I go to the Marlins’ game. I’ll be close to their dugout so I’m really looking forward to heckling the future former Cubs’ manager throughout the game.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
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