Cubs Draft Profile -- Alex Wimmers
Today we're going to look at another possibility for the Cubs first round pick at #16, Ohio State right-hander Alex Wimmers.
Once again, I didn't write this profile, it was done by Matt Marsden.
In case you've forgotten, the first round of the draft is Monday at 5pm Central on the MLB Network.
The next installment of the draft previews is a look at Ohio St. RHP, Alex Wimmers. There are few, if any, pitchers that are more polished than Wimmers. A solid athlete standing in at 6-2, 195 lbs, he has the best 3-pitch mix of any pitcher in this draft.
Wimmer's fastball sits in the low-90’s with good movement and he does a decent job locating it. Wimmers best pitch is easily his changeup, the best in this year’s class. It grades out as a 70 on the 20-80 scout scale. On top of his excellent change, Wimmers has a curve ball that rates as at least average, if not a little better. It is close to an 11-5 break and he throws it in the mid-70’s. More importantly, Wimmers does a great job throwing his curve for strikes. This gives him three legitimate weapons on the mound.
A friend of mine on the Indiana University baseball team saw Wimmers shut the Hoosiers down in April. He kept the pressure on the hitters, really didn't make too many mistakes. The mistakes he did make didn't affect his next pitch so it was hard to get anything going off him," according to this IU player. Sound like a polished, intelligent pitcher to you? That day, Wimmers tossed a complete game, giving up 1 run on 6 hits. He struck out 14 and did not walk a batter! The Big 10 may not be the top collegiate baseball conference out there, but it is solid and IU had one of the best lineups in the league.
Wimmers did not just dominate against Indiana. In 10 starts this season, Wimmers went 9-0 with a 1.60 ERA in 73 innings. His K/BB was a solid 86/23. In his freshman season at Ohio St. Wimmers pitched exclusively out of the pen where he posted a 4.50 ERA in 40 innings. His sophomore was much more like his junior year. In 2009, Wimmers punched out 136 hitters in just over 104 innings and led the Big 10 in strikeouts.
From a mechanical standpoint, Wimmers is pretty solid. He pitches from a ¾ arm angle and does a great job keeping a consistent arm speed and slot with all of his pitches. He uses a high leg kick and does a great job incorporating his lower half, although his motion can get a little out of whack at times. Wimmers struggles on occasion to maintain his balance on his follow-through when his front shoulders opens up and he does not stay square to the plate. This will affect a pitcher's control.
Do not expect Wimmers to spend a lot of time in the minor leagues. That said, there a few things he could work on. Fastball command is the first thing that crosses my mind. He does a solid job of throwing strikes, but his location within the strike zone could use some work. One way to make progress there is by focusing on keeping the shoulders square to maintain balance. I have noticed that pitchers with a strong off-speed repertoire have a tendency to rely too much on it. The first name that crosses my mind when thinking about this is Clay Buchholz, who is known for his change-up and curve ball and had really struggled with his fastball command. I noticed Buchholz dancing around the plate too much early on with the Red Sox. Hopefully Wimmers can avoid this by working on his fastball command.
Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus has the Cubs taking Alex Wimmers in his most recent mock draft. I must say I was surprised when I heard this since Wilken likes higher upside players. Wimmers will not be an ace, but more likely a middle-rotation workhorse. It is possible they see more upside in Wimmers than others. At the end of the day, I would be surprised if the Cubs selected Wimmers, but he would be a great pick.
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I would be extremely pleased
if the Cubs decided to go with Wimmers.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
Oh,
And for those interested in a look at the kid, try here.
by Damen Jackson on Jun 5, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm still hoping for Austin Wilson
but we could do much worse than Wimmers
by Castro Por Presidente on Jun 5, 2010 11:11 AM CDT reply actions
The idea
of Austin Wilson is very exciting in general. But I’m sort of over the Cubs five-tool fascinations, and they’re inability to develop those players. I just don’t trust their ability to groom this kind of raw talent anymore.
I’ll take the sure bet. A near fully-developed pitcher that will spend minimal time in their system, and should be able to make contributions quickly. It’s a formula that works well for them, so even if not WImmers, I’d like to see them not stray from that draft strategy. Just my opinion.
by Damen Jackson on Jun 5, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Austin plays more
like a corner outfielder with speed. He’s a legitimate five-tool guy, although I’ve not personally seen much of his defense to say for certain about that dimension.
by Damen Jackson on Jun 5, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotcha
Who are the legit corner OF prospects in our system? As far as I know, the only two corner OFs in our system that look like legit prospects are Kyler Burke and maybe Jae-Hoon Ha. I might be interested in adding a high-upside corner OF to our system.
by JSB on Jun 5, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Doubt they will take wilson
His stock has dropped a bit this season and there are some signability concerns. He is a stud athlete though and I would be really interested to see how he would do in the Cubs org.
www.twentytoeighty.com
I like
the sound of this kid. In what sounds like a realitively weak draft at the top, I like the idea of taking a high-floor kid who could step into the rotation quickly, particularly since we’re likely to lose Demp, Lily and Z over the next few years.
DEJESUS!!!
I'm fairly lukewarm on the Cubs taking a
“nearly ready” college arm with lower upside. While it is true that you can “never have enough pitching”, the Cubs don’t really “need” this kind of guy with the pitching depth they have.
With the development of the Cubs’ system, I think they are generally better off adding a higher upside guy in the 1st round.
That said, at worst he becomes a valuable trade chip.
I guess
I feel that since we’re probably losing Demp, Lily and Z from the rotation over the next couple years, we could use someone with a high likelihood of being able to step into the middle of the rotation. We’ve got some high upside guys in the minors, I’d like another solid, Randy Wellsish guy somewhere in the 3-5 spot in the rotation.
DEJESUS!!!
Where are Demp and Z going?
I can see Lilly departing… but we still have Gorz, Cashner, Jay Jackson, & Casey Coleman, who all appear to be rotation-capable.
I would be upset if they picked Wimmers… I just feel like we have those kinds of guys moving up in the system.
Z isn't going anywhere
barring some surprise or a contract swap. That said, could I see some team coming in with a big enough offer to for Dempster to see if the Cubs will bite? Perhaps.
Only time will tell. I’m not expecting it, but I could see it happen. Lilly, I think, is as good as gone. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Cubs shopped Gorzelanny before the trade deadline – they might get a better than expected return (not great, though). I guess I could see a scenario where Lilly is dealt and Gorzelanny goes back to the rotation as well.
We've got some options for guys who can fill in the mid-end of the rotation slots
Casey Coleman fits that mold, and he’s in AAA. Austin Bibens-Dirkx is more deception than stuff, but he could be an option. Chris Rusin has turned it around in Daytona and will be in AA sooner than later (I think some point this year). We have to see how he adjusts to AA, but he could fit in the picture. Mitch Atkins has had a surprisingly solid season and can’t be completely removed from the discussion. Thomas Diamond could finally come through now that he’s healthy. Chris Carpenter is still a solid rotation possibility who will likely see AAA at some point in 2011. Chris Archer should be in AA next season and he’s having a fabulous last month. Dae-Eun Rhee and Brooks Raley could both be in AA next year. Neither is lighting it up right now, but in 2011, Rhee will have had another year away from surgery, and Raley will have had a year of being a full-time pitcher.
I am not saying all these guys will come through. But along with Jay Jackson and Andrew Cashner, I don’t think we’re in a bad spot with starting caliber arms. Certainly, you always want more. I said this the other day, but I don’t see the need for drafting a pitcher solely because he might move fast and slot in somewhere. If the Cubs truly feel that either Alex or Asher are, talent wise, worth it at 16, then fine.
Put it another way – I don’t think our overall starting pitching depth is an issue (lefty pitching depth is another story), and the chances of Wimmers busting as a capable mid-rotation starter is still fairly high.
In related news, I just finished representing the Cubs in Sickels' Community Mock Draft
My selections:
1.16 Justin O’Connor C, Cowan HS, Muncie, Indiana
2.15 Mike Kvasnicka, C-OF, University of Minnesota
3.15 Burch Smith, RHP, Howard JC, Texas
(Unofficial) 4.15 Jordan Cooper, RHP, Wichita State
Here’s a link to my comments on each pick.
For those of you interested on how the draft panned out: Round 1, Supplemental 1st, Round 2, Round 3, Unofficial Round 4
If the picks above the Cubs' in round 1 go the way that mock draft has them...
… I think the Cubs would take Stetson Allie.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Things won't go that way
For one, the Royals aren’t going to take Grandal in the first round, who is looking for “Buster Posey” money. Guys picking in mock drafts don’t care about bonus demands.
However, that wouldn’t affect whether or not Allie was available.
O_O did a good job, I think. I wouldn’t mind seeing the Cubs get O’Conner.
Grandal and the Royals already agreed to a deal
As for Allie to the Cubs, I just don’t see it. When the Cubs have taken high school pitchers in recent years, they’ve usually gone after guys who are reasonably polished. They don’t seem to take many risks with HS pitchers. Allie is all about projection at this point. He has fantastic stuff, but whether he’ll even get a handle on it, and whether he’ll be more than a relief pitcher with it, simply is unknown at this point. He has fantastic upside, but it just doesn’t make sense to me, given the Cubs’ trends.
by Outshined_One on Jun 5, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks.
You guys have done a great job on this — thanks for all your work and research.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
As for Wimmers
I’m not nearly as down on him as I was a few weeks ago. He’s pitched a few times on the Big Ten Network, so I’ve gotten a decent look at him. As is, he’s pretty polished. He could be a high end #3 starter if he adds a tick to his fastball or sharpens his curve, which is pretty good, all things considered.
However, what’s sold me on Wimmers recently has been his mechanics. He uses his legs very, very nicely to drop and drive. That fastball might top out at 92/93, but watch how close to the plate he is when he releases his pitch. He also does an excellent job with his follow-through. He needs to firm up his glove hand, but I think that can be corrected.
He’s an underwhelming pick to me, but I don’t think he’d be a bad pick.
random thoughts
I could definitely see O_O’s picks happening, although I have my questions as to whether or not the Cubs would go Kvasnicka after picking O’Connor. That said, both O’Connor and Kvasnicka could both end up at other positions besides catcher (and drafting Kvasnicka could allow us to just play O’Connor at a corner spot, IF or OF, and let him focus on his offensive development and give us an impact corner guy with power). Definitely a solid mock, and really like the Burch Smith pick a ton.
I’ll stick with the mantra that I’ve been on the past few years, which is a similar line of thinking in regards to what O_O and fsuapollo have, to an extent (I think). I want upside in the first round. I simply believe that you can find mid-end of the rotation arms in later rounds. I don’t mind Wimmers (or Asher), but neither guy is really all that appetizing unless the Cubs have some insight on them that others don’t (not impossible, a lot of people didn’t think Cashner could develop into a starter).
All that said, I have a hard time seeing us nab a HS arm in the first round, despite spec connecting us to those guys. I can’t really see Allie, although I wonder if there’s some truth to the Karsten Whitson stuff as a fallback plan (if he even falls – sure feels like Oakland could take either O’Connor or Whitson). I don’t really love the college bats in the mid-first range (I’d jump on Christian Colon if he slipped, but I doubt he will. I’ve still got mixed feelings on the OF’s (still believe in Brentz’s bat more than Choice’s for some reason. Eibner’s got offensive upside, but this seems high for that. um … who else. Still like, but don’t love Vitek. He has to stick in CF, and if he does, then we’re drafting AJ Pollock-plus here. It’s a weaker draft, so I’m not as averse to it, but I didn’t like drafting Pollock last year in the late first (thankfully, the D-backs took that off the table). So if a HS upside pick like O’Connor isn’t there, I could live with Wimmers (although honestly, and I know a lot of folks feel otherwise, but I’d rather gamble on Ranaudo than Wimmers, I think). I am somewhat intrigued with the idea of drafting DeShields as a CF.
I guess right now, I’m simply hoping O’Connor slips to us. He’s more signable than Wilson, by most accounts, and I think, even though Wilson is toolsy, that O’Connor’s value upside as a catcher is better.

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