Lou Piniella's Lineup Follies: Cubs vs. Astros Preview, Sunday 6/6, 1:05 CT
Lou has once again promised to play Tyler Colvin. He did this at the end of spring training, and Colvin produced when he played, but Lou sat him anyway.
After yesterday's game, Lou pledged to keep Colvin in the lineup. We'll see. But there are other problems with this lineup -- primarily at leadoff, where Ryan Theriot, since May 1, has posted a .186 BA and .205 OBA in 88 plate appearances. That's Dusty Baker hitting Corey Patterson leadoff for 29 games in 2005 territory. The Cubs are 9-10 in the 19 games Theriot has led off since May 1. That's only a mediocre record, not a terrible one, but consider this: the Cubs scored 78 runs in those 19 games -- 4.1 runs per game. Take out the 14-7 blowout of the Reds and the 10-5 win over the Diamondbacks, and it's only 3.2 runs per game in the other 17.
I'm not usually big on lineup construction debates, but this one's pretty obvious. If Theriot is even in the lineup -- which, at this point he shouldn't be except against LHP (he has a career OPS of .786 vs. LHP, as opposed to .690 vs. RHP) -- he needs to be hitting eighth! Why this wouldn't be crystal-clear to a major league manager and coaching staff is beyond me. Theriot's career OBA leading off is .345; he has a better one hitting second (.351; he has most of his career PA batting #2), and even better hitting eighth (.364 in 162 career PA).
Mike Fontenot, who's hitting well this year (.310/.358/.460 in 123 PA, all but six of them vs. RHP), is a perfect platoon partner for Theriot. I suppose you could hit him leadoff -- that .358 OBA is OK, though not great -- but he isn't a prototypical leadoff hitter. Starlin Castro might be sometime in the future -- he has seven walks in 97 PA -- but that might be too much pressure on him right now. And don't worry -- Lou told Bruce Miles it won't be Alfonso Soriano again:
"Oh my gosh," Lou said. "We’re going to keep him where he’s at. We’d like Soriano to drive in some runs for us is what we’d like. Where he’s at, he’s in a position to do just that. It’s just a question of getting him hot with the bat. He’s been streaky. He’s either hot, or he’s cold. A little more consistency would help."
Today's lineup, via tweet from Carrie, gives Soriano and Theriot the day off:
#Cubs lineup for Sunday is RF Fukudome, LF Colvin, 1B Lee, CF Byrd, 3B Ramirez, 2B Fontenot, SS Castro, C Hill, P Wells
I like this one, but I doubt you'll see it too often. Who would you lead off?
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Brett Myers spent a lot of time on the DL last year and much of 2007 as a reliever, so most of his "recent starts" against the Cubs date back a few years. He did defeat them twice in 2008 while with the Phillies. Derrek Lee, who could use a good game or 10, has hit Myers hard -- 15-for-29 (.517) with four doubles, a triple and three HR.
Which Randy Wells do we get today? The one who couldn't get anyone out against the Cardinals at Wrigley Field a week ago Friday? Or the one who, three days later, came back and threw three shutout innings against the Pirates? Wells has made 11 starts. In two of them (the one above vs. the Cardinals and May 6 in Pittsburgh), he didn't get out of the third inning and has an ERA of 49.50. In the other nine, his combined ERA is 2.88, although oddly enough, he allowed no home runs in the two horrific outings. He faced Houston three times last year and posted a 2-0 record and 0.00 ERA (one unearned run) in 20.2 innings. Current Astros are hitting .273 off Randy (12-for-44, all singles).
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Lead off Fontenot
Dome’s career splits suggest he’d be best in the #5 slot.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Oh, and this gem of a quote on Cashner, from a league scout
Cashner has the stuff to do the job. One scout at the game Friday compared him with Nationals much-hyped rookie Stephen Strasburg, who is to make his major league debut Tuesday. “If Strasburg is better than this guy, then he has to be awfully good,” he said.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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I see him throw his fastball
and I can’t believe it moves so much. Then I check the WGN gun, and I see how hard he throws it. That thing is nasty.
by Castro Por Presidente on Jun 6, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
That's what I'd do
There’s absolutely no persuasive reason for keeping Fukudome out of the leadoff spot against righties; you want your lead-off man, above-all, to get on base, and Kosuke does that. Byrd (meh) and Soto (if he starts hitting a little bit again) are also decent options against LH.
I think it's a matter of mixing and matching
I’d go with Fukudome against righties. On days that he doesn’t play against righties, I’d try Fontenot, then Castro.
Against lefties … Castro?
I say just ride the hot hand for leadoff
Noone really seems ideal for the spot right now. I don’t mind Lou playing the matchups either.
by Castro Por Presidente on Jun 6, 2010 11:40 AM CDT reply actions
Anybody see Groundhog Day?
Same old story, year, after year, after year. Last (only semi-serious) attempt I recall to correct our leadoff problems was 2-3 yrs ago, Brian Roberts. That mighta cost us Riot, but, in retrospect, mighta been worth it. (tho I heard Roberts was injured earlier this year?) Suffice to say, the leadoff hitter we NEED, aint on this team. Lous prolly gonna try and finish with least SBs in MLB…again?
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by jesus christos on Jun 6, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
When the Cubs finally hit well en masse, I realize it doesn't mean anything more than one win.
But I still have no enthusiasm for this lineup bitch fest. Let’s get em, Cubs!
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 6, 2010 12:04 PM CDT reply actions
Exactly correct Twin!
People are gettin “excited” over one win?! Cubs are .200 in last 5 games, L’astros .800… lets keep this in perspective, uh?
See as much as I think a manager change would help, first of all, I don't believe for a minute
Al trying to claim lineup debates aren’t something he likes. And secondly, if Lou is responsible everyday for the Cubs losing, then he should say yesterday the Cubs won because of Lou…unless hey, here’s an idea…the PLAYERS did it. imagine that. And the fact the Astros are horrible.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 6, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I really don't care for lineup debates.
But right now seems a good time to have one. This one has some good ideas.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
So is yesterday's win on Lou Al?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 6, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL...ok so its the players, right...
You know I want another manager here but I think you see where I’m going.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 6, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
When the players don't perform...
….it’s time to change the manager. When the players perform, it’s time to give credit to the players.
This has been the calling card of most fans for a long long time. The problem with this thinking, is it is very short sighted and doesn’t even begin to tell the real story behind issues that need to be fixed.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
For real
His insistence on keeping Aramis in the middle of the order once again spelled doomsday for the team yesterday.
yes because Aramis had shown
such overwhelming signs of breaking out before that.
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
why does anyone need credit?
that win means nothing if they don’t start stringing a few together.
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
It just seems disingenuous
To blame someone for failing and shrug your shoulders when they succeed, that’s all.
feels like human nature to me
blame when you’re wrong and not much of anything when you lose.
and humans are complete shits. :-P
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
if yesterday is what breaks rami out
and remembers that he can play baseball then I will give Lou credit for sticking with him.
But I’m not sold on it yet.
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
I'm definitely not sold
But if this team is going to make the playoffs (longshot), then it’s Lee and Aram or bust.
Wow...no one ever gets credit for winning then?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 6, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
how much credit do you give someone
for doing what they’re SUPPOSED to be doing?
Especially someone over the age of say 12?
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
Us complete shit humans over 12 should get credit for doing something right, yes.
We get paid at our jobs too…don’t you give credit to anyone?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 6, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
other than saying
“if this is the game that fixes rami, i’ll give lou credit for sticking with him”
otherwise, no. yay rami had a good game. but no unless something changes.
am i speaking german today? is this really that horrible to think?
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
Amen to that shoemile.
The key in there mostly is that that person is more worried about a prediction failing than wanting a win.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 6, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
yes because thats exactly my nature
why, i should just stop watching! obviously my stats tell me what’ll happen!
sigh.
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
Nah then you don't get to complain about them doing
what you expect.
sigh.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 6, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
cool so you don't get to cheer when they win either
since thats what you expect!
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
What if...
I spose we coulda taken our chances with Jaun Pierre again…. tho thats not workin out too well on south side
Is Jeff Blauser available?
"If I wasn't in our band I'd hate us, just to be cool." -Daniel Johns
by PurpleLineToWrigley on Jun 6, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Bet Aaron Miles can still be had from the Cards!
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 6, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Enrique Wilson
“He knows the ballpark”
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Or Jose Macias?
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Lordy! I hope you're jokin!
Miles (who i thought would do well), absolutely floundered here. Was painful
I hope you're jokin? Of course I'm joking...how long have you been actually in this blog...
am I going to have to explain WKOBBDYP? or ADAM LINDDD?
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 6, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly?
Yes. I’m relatively new here. I’m a long time fan, but just recently got my own computer (was usin my bubbies). I’ll be 52 this yr, and a fan as long as i can remember. Saw (@Wrigley) Holtzman no-no & Pappas’ bid… so, wanna get to “explainin”??? :) I have “come n gone” in the past… my old heart can only take so much u kno…
Well welcome to the blog...I'm a lifelong diehard Cubs fan as well
and have only been here a few years…sorry if I was a little gruff lol. I was a little pissed off yesterday seeing Miles score a winning run for the Cards…made me want his salary back tho it’s just one game.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 6, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I understand completely
Thanks for having me! When I first came here, the “formatting guide” intimidated me… I’m a loooong time YAHOO poster, but the ppl “trolling” those sites really turned me off. There’s more “anti-cub fans” than cubs fans on a lot of boards! I got tired of defending the cubs or blastin the bashers on a daily basis. I don’t mind constructive cubby critism, just the senseless “Cubs suck” n “102 yrs” BS can get to anyone! So, here i am…
Um...don't know if this year is a good year to come to this blog
for relief from that. There’s few trolls but a lot of senseless Cubs suck goin on.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 6, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
True
And i’ve seen faaar more “sucky teams” than good! sigh, from 97 wins to this in so few yrs…sigh…
Its more tolerable from frustrated cub fans
Than from bitter, fair-weather white sox fans! Thanks for the warm welcome, gotta run, the gardens callin me… I’ll be listenin to the game, while workin my a** off! peace. Jeff
Come back again jeff, let's hope we get a streak going today!
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 6, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanx Twin
I’ll be back. We need some .750 ball, just for a coupla weeks, then, I might start to “believe” again! Have a fantastic day!
have a good time in the garden!
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
No such thing exists, Allie
Working in the gardens just that. workin! Relaxing in the garden when done, perhaps with a “cold one”…now that’s what its about! Enjoy the lovely day out there!
Who to leadoff...
…is always going to be a challenge for the Cubs, because they simply have not had a guy with consistant leadoff qualities since Lofton.
Fukudome does well for a while and is probably the best overall choice, but he tends to have a short shelf life of producing.
You can debate this until the cows come home, but it will always be a moving target with the current roster.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Aside from dragging out Kenny Lofton
or finding a player like Lofton, I think a rotation of Dome, Byrd, and Fontenot would be fine. Is there anyone out there that is even like Kenny Lofton?
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 6, 2010 12:15 PM CDT reply actions
Rickey Henderson still thinks he can play... ;-)
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Ricky Henderson IS the best Ricky Henderson out there
who will play like Ricky Henderson.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 6, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Little late...
…to be thinking about finding a good leadoff guy from the outside. This is something that should have been a priority years ago. Right now, you do the best you can with the roster you have.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
With Theriot likely gone in the offseason
I wonder if there’s a 2b who might be available to leadoff somewhere, whether through FA or trade.
I've heard Fonty is available without a trade...though Lou seems to disagree.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 6, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with that.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 6, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
What have you seen...
…that leads you to believe Fontenot would be a good reliable leadoff hitter for an entire season?
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I think with his injury issues
B-Rob is going to be available, and if Jim is still GM, then I’d bet he goes after him. A nearing washed up, injury riddled player who was really good at his position at one point is the exact type of guy Jim would go for, and that’s what B-Rob is at this point.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jun 6, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Wouldn't surprise me after bringing back Howry.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 6, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I always take Kenny Lofton with a grain of salt. He helped us sure, was a good leadoff hitter...
But with other teams. Yes he did well here but he only played 56 games for us.and Kenny Lofton IS the best Kenny Lofton out there that who will play like Kenny Lofton.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 6, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I love Dempster
talking on Lead-off man about how great it was to see Aramis have a good day at the plate.
Len had to get very specific to get him to talk about himself. Love that.
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
Dempster is such a great guy.
And a team leader in every sense of the term.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Clubhouse guys who are actually really good at the game too
Such a cool thing. :-P
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
We'd lose a lot more than his pitching if we lost him. We need him on this team.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 6, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
You need quality teammates to win
yes… but talent is important too.
Having seen both in my years of watching sports, I’d rather see a group of 25 talented jerks win than a group of very nice guys lose.
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
True.
But having at least some of them be good guys, when they DO win, it’s much easier to like them.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Sure is. That's why so many people miss DeRosa.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 6, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course you need talent to win.
but thanks for pointing it out.
"Everything has an end, except a sausage, which has two."
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 6, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
keep it going boys.
I like that line-up.
Hopefully Aramis works the counts for better pitches.
And the man crush for Colvin continues to grow.
"I don't know what the big deal about Crackerjack is"
by theGraceyslumpbuster on Jun 6, 2010 12:41 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
YIKES
paul sullivan in HD.
my eye. it will never be the same.
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
thankfully no
but closer than i’d like to be!
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
Write to WGN
and request that they keep him out of public visibility, in order to save the nation’s eyesight.
i'll just go back to normal
and skip the lead off man! i usually avoid most pregame shows and use that time to get stuff done so I can watch the game
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
Tyler Colvin needs...
to be playing every day at this point. Trade Lee and move Fukudome to first base the rest of the season.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
you trippin?
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
No, but we're stuck with his contract either way,
it could be worth a shot, for some reason I could see him being decent at first, it could be worth looking into preparing for next season, that would allow the team to play Byrd, Soriano, and Colvin and then add someone like Fuld to the bench. You could platoon him with Nady at first.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
needs more fuld
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
Hahahaha, no.
It doesn’t have to be Fuld, it could be Tracy as well. I’m just trying to figure out a way to get a guy who deserves playing time, more playing time. While dealing with a bad contract and moving an aging veteran.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
ok
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