Lilly Lawsuit Filed
by Zeke on Jun 9, 2010 8:02 AM CDT
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Plaintiff: Theodore Roosevelt Lilly
Defendant: The Chicago Cubs
The plaintiff alleges prejudice and bias with regards to a lack of offensive run support during the 2010 major league baseball season when the plaintiff pitched for the defendant.
Exhibit A: MLB documentation of only 14 runs scored by the defendant in 9 games started and ultimately lost by the plaintiff.
Jury decision: In favor of the plaintiff
Award: Free agency for the plaintiff at the conclusion of the 2010 season with the option of a trade from the defendant to a contending team prior to July 31, 2010. Further, the defendant is remanded to the second division for the duration of the 2010 baseball season.
Bailiff is instructed to escort the defendant from this court to said second division no later than June 30, 2010.
All court costs will be paid by the defendant.
Case closed.
Court adjourned.
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Lilly gets traded
at the deadline but re-signs in the offseason
Sipping the Kool-Aid since 1982 - Kinda
Currently 34,839 on the Season Ticket Wait List - Expected age of being #0: 119
That doesn't make a ton of sense
Unless the team that acquires him does NOT offer him arbitration.
If they did, then the Cubs likely forfeit their 1st round pick next year (unless it is top 15, which certainly is possible – but then they give away the 2nd rounder) in a loaded draft.
So you’d have to get enough in prospects back from the trade to make it worth it. Possible, but maybe not the best choice.
wait
Lilly is still eligible for Arbitration? What are the rules on becoming an unrestricted free agent?
Sipping the Kool-Aid since 1982 - Kinda
Currently 34,839 on the Season Ticket Wait List - Expected age of being #0: 119
You can offer arbitration to players
Past their service time obligation. That is how you secure draft pick compensation. Here’s the wiki chunk on pick compensation.
If you think of the discussion of letting Wood and Harden go, the Cubs decided against offering them arbitration. If the player accepts, you’ll have them on a one-year deal, usually at a salary around their previous year (or a raise). The Cubs didn’t want to risk Wood or Harden accepting, and thus forfeited the chance to receive any compensatory draft picks.
However, if the player declines arbitration, they become an unrestricted FA and can sign anywhere. Then the compensation picks come into play.
Lilly would surely be a Type A… so IMO, the Cubs need to be relatively blown away in order to deal him – in other words, they need to get more than the value of two extra draft picks, including a potential “true” first round pick.
I think
Lily should be traded before the season ends, provided they can get a good return (ie better than a first round compensatory pick). Lily is a great left-handed pitcher, and those are generally highly valued be contending teams. There shouldn’t be any reason Hendry would have trouble getting something nice in return. This would also spare us the agony of Hendry not offering him arbitration after the year as a courtesy.
The problem is Hendry has never really admitted defeat and traded veterans, other than Maddux, and that was as a courtesy to Maddux. Based on Hendry’s history, I see the most likely scenarios as follows:
1. Resign Lily to a 3 or 4 year deal after the season.
2. Let him walk without offering arbitration
3. Trade him mid-season
4. Offer him arbitration and let him sign elsewhere, receive pick as compensation
DEJESUS!!!
Lilly would bring back 2 picks most likely
If we offered arb and he declined and signed elsewhere. A first (or second) round pick and a sandwich pick. Supposedly, next years draft will be very deep so I’d guess the Cubs would do better to hold on to Lilly for the picks.
But it’s all academic because the Cubs will probably find a way to mess it up by neither trading him and nor offering arbitration.
by Castro Por Presidente on Jun 9, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I say
Lilly will not get traded because Hendry will “think the Cubs are still in contention” and “not want to give up on the season.” (Just as Tomas21 says.) They will not get any value from trading Lilly and he will sign with the Yankees or Red Sox for 2011.
Sadly, this IS the most likely scenario...
…quickly followed by slotting Andrew Cashner into the rotation…
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
Um he will be a type A free agent
so keeping unless you get something better is not that stupid actually.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 9, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Which for a type A free agent like Lilly
makes sense, so they would likely offer arb unless something happens in the next 4 months.
Makes sense for us
We didn’t do it for Wood though, and that has me wondering if we’d do it for Lilly.
Wood was not as valuable as Lilly
and it seems clear the Cubs did NOT want to risk offering him arb because he might have accepted it. Not so much worry with Lilly. If he does accept and they decide they don’t want to pay him, he would be easily tradeable no NTC in an arb case.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 9, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
The Yankees
are apparently getting ready for a run at Cliff Lee, but also need a bat. They have a fantastic catcher prospect, Jesus Montero (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/M/Jesus-Montero.shtml), who would be a terrific (albeit farfetched) return.
Wonder if something like Lily and Soto would be enough for Montero. The Yanks have a ton of catching prospects, and Soto could be a good holdover until some of them are ready.
DEJESUS!!!
Why do you trade your 2nd best pitcher and you ML catcher
For a catching prospect?? Especially when TRL will be a Type A after this year and should net the Cubs a couple of high draft picks in an incredible draft class.
Go check out
the prospect catcher and you’ll see why. If it’s more palatable, would you trade your average mid-first round prospect and Soto for a catcher who’s hitting like .900 in AA and regarded as the number 4 prospect in baseball?
No-brainer.
DEJESUS!!!
I don't disagree with that.
but given the choice, he’ll resign.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 9, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Slightly OT but you might want to check out this lawsuit
A favorite of mine.
http://www.torinfo.com/justforlaughs/coyote_v_acme.html
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
14 runs?
I show us scoring 24 runs in his outings.
W 5-1
L 5-13
L 2-4
L 2-4
W 4-3
L 1-2
W 1-0
L 2-3
L 2-3
Yes. Sorry for the confusion.
I’ll tweak the lawsuit.
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
OT: Will See Bulldogs 3 Times This Season in Football
I’m already planning to see the Bulldogs play Memphis and Arkansas in Starkville. I’ll see the Egg Bowl in Oxford. I loved being at the 41-27 Egg Bowl in Starkville last year.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Matt Clement
would like to get in on this deal
"They say that money doesn't buy happiness...but it DOES by Cub tickets. You ever see a sad person with Cub tickets?"
FWIW
There are 77 qualified starters in the NL (i.e. with enough innings to qualify for the ERA lead).
Rankings of Cub starters in run support:
Carlos Silva: 1
Randy Wells: 43
Ryan Dempster: 52
Tom Gorzelanny: 59
Ted Lilly: 75
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Bipolar
..is the first word that comes to mind after reading that statistic.
"They say that money doesn't buy happiness...but it DOES by Cub tickets. You ever see a sad person with Cub tickets?"
Bipolar? That's an odd way to look at it...
NO IT’S NOT! SHUT UP!
I will not.
Then I’ll make you!
I don’t think so.
Well, I DO!
Go away.
Harumpf!
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
Like I said the other day
Like I said the other day
Wells , Lilly & Demp need to get fat suits and some color and Z just needs a little extra padding and we will make the hitters BELIEVE Silva is pitching every day.
"I am not ashamed to say I love Greg Maddux" - Jim Hendry
Me either Jim
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 9, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow!
4 of the 5 starters are in the bottom half. 3 of the 5 are in the bottom third.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Silva's Not A Good Hitter
It’s not as if Silva has contributed that much to the run support. He’s driven in 2 runs but hasn’t scored any. He has more walks (3) than hits (2) as a hitter. The four sacrifices have helped some, but you’d think with that kind of disparity in run support that the pitcher’s hitting would have more of an effect on the run support. The stats say otherwise.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Further...
… Silva has pitched well enough that his W-L record would probably be good even without the run support. The Cubs are 10-1 in his 11 starts, and the other teams have scored, in order, the following number of runs:
5, 2, 3, 3, 5, 7, 3, 2, 4, 0, 1
The first one was the only loss. The other “5” was his worst start, but the Cubs still won. And the “7” was the 14-7 win over the Reds; most of those runs were allowed by the bullpen.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
This poll included should have had multiple selections.
Because getting medieval on their asses shouldn’t be exclusive from trading or resigning him. There ain’t no one out there Teddy couldn’t take.
"We were young, good looking* and stupid. Now we're just stupid." - Mick Jagger. * good looking = rich, hugely successful rock star
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 9, 2010 3:43 PM CDT reply actions
So option #4 is a "value added" bonus then?
OK. Works for me.
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
Start with Theriot. Have TRL put his foot up his ass to his bellybutton. Repeat as necessary.
"We were young, good looking* and stupid. Now we're just stupid." - Mick Jagger. * good looking = rich, hugely successful rock star
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 9, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep, starts with a knock, knock..
"We were young, good looking* and stupid. Now we're just stupid." - Mick Jagger. * good looking = rich, hugely successful rock star
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jun 9, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
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