Fourth of July Weekend, Let's go Red White & Boom
Well as all of you know, this team plays like crap and the trading deadline is around the corner. We're 10.5 games back and management will have to decide if we're buyers or sellers. I know management doesn't want to become sellers too soon because of the prospect of a serious decrease of attendance and loss of fan support. But the way I look at it, I think attendance would actually get a boost and fans morale would increase if we introduce some new prospects like Brett Jackson, Jay Jackson and Darwin Barney. Not to mention, with this losing record new prospects would get some "low pressure" major league playing time.
Our current lineup right now doesn't produce and is laden with putrid contracts put forward by Jim Hendry. He's horrible at signing free agents, but I do give him credit for his trades. He's made some really damn good moves, like acquiring Aramis Ramirez and Kenny Lofton for nothing, D-Lee for Hee Sop Choi, Rich Harden for three players who've been DFA'd the past month (Patterson, Gallagher & Murton) and Carlos Silva for Milton Bradley. Other than the Juane Pierre trade, Hendry is a stud at trading.
If he expects to keep his job at the end of the year, he better clean up this mess that he created. Hopefully the Cubs roster will go Red, White and BOOM, with a selloff of some of our veterans (I had to do a patriotic pun somewhere) and potentially freeing up some room to bring in fresh faces.
I think a selloff would be beneficial for this organization in the longrun. Below is my ranking of our veteran's trade values based off of the quality of prospects we can get in return. Also posted is a couple comments about each player. I'm leaving our younger players, Ryan Dempster and immovable contracts (Ramierez and Soriano) off the list.
1) Ted Lilly- Lilly has been a stud since joining the Cubs and has to be Hendry's best FA signing. He posted a 3.10 ERA last season and is currently sporting a 3.12 ERA. Being a left hander also increases his value, and I could see him as being the second best SP on the trade market, behind Cliff Lee. I also think Lee's steep asking price could help draw some significant attention to Lilly because teams don't want to sell off the farm to meet the Mariners' demands.
We do have an in-house replacement of Lilly with Gorzelanny doing a solid job as a left handed SP. Lilly could also command a large FA signing at the end of the season, which the Cubs cannot afford.
2) Carlos Silva- I'm sure there's plenty of skeptics out there on whether or not he can perform, but when it's all said and done, he throws strikes, eats up innings and wins ballgames. He's not an ace, but a SP with 1.050 WHIP this season and one year left on his contract would be a good pickup for any contender.
He's had a great season thus far, but "Buy low, sell high."
3) Derrek Lee - He may be difficult to deal because of his NTC, but given the chance to play with a contender he would probably accept a trade. His .708 OPS this season has hurt his trade value, but he has plenty of experience and plenty of pop to potentially turn it around.
I think trading Lee could give the chance for Colvin to possibly get some playing time at first without significantly hurting the team during the learning process. I think Colvin is our replacement for 1B, with Soriano in LF, Jackson in CF and Byrd/Fukodome in RF for next year.
4) Marlon Byrd- Byrd's been all of we can ask for. He's hit for average (.311), had decent power (9 HR), but most importantly has been the person who has gone to work day in and day out with 110% effort. That alone should make him a valuable commodity.
If there's any person on this team who I would hate to see go, it is Byrd. He would be a key veteran to help any potential rookies learn the game the way it should be played.
5) Ryan Theriot - Theriot is your typical average player, but does has some valuable qualities. He leads the team in SB with 15 and has always put up some solid contact. Some teams like the Red Sox could use an infielder to put up some consistent numbers, which Theriot could provide.
Let Darwin Barney get some playing time, he deserves it after performing well at AAA. Also, we have Hak Ju Lee in the system who can arrive in 1-2 years.
This is where trade values go down significantly.
6) Kosukue Fukodome - This guy just can't handle being away from home. He starts off well in the spring each year and declines as the season goes along. Baseball is a game of focus and concentration and Fukodome just can't concentrate while being away from his family for an entire MLB season. However, he only has one year left on his contract after this year and is one of the best defensive RF in the game. He does have some value.
If the Cubs eat at least half his contract, they could possibly move him. But the way I see it, he's a permanent $12 million bench player for the Cubs from the here on out with Byrd, Colvin and Soriano, Nady in front of Fukodome. Even if they eat up 2/3 of his contract, I still think the Cubs could gain from trading him because they NEED TRADE AN OUTFIELDER to make room out there.
7) Carlos Zambrano - He's pitched like shit this year, he can't hit 90 MPH on his fastball, he's a headcase and he's making 18 million a year... He came close to being on the list of untouchable contracts like Soriano or Ramirez, but the Cubs would be willing to trade him at almost any cost. People forget that before 2010, his ERA has been under 4.00 in every season of his career and I think the suspension could actually help his value. He's cooled off, arm is rested and wants to prove himself again. Z is emotional, for good and bad... and I could envision Z coming back with some fire, especially if the Cubs trade him.
The Cubs would most likely have to do a contract swap or eat up half of his contract to trade him. I'd love to see Z go... as it would be the best for both parties.
Let me know what you think...
Should we sell or stay pat?
Who can we trade?
Who could we get in return?
Where's the future of the team?
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"Derrek" Lee, not "Derrick".
The way some of those guys are playing, who would want them?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The Fukudome thing...
is such a myth. He had an OPS over 900 in both July and August of last year. To say that he gets worse every year as the season goes on is just flat out not true.
Career splits for Fukudome (OPS)
April: 1.004
May: .778
June: .614
July: .808
August: .729
Sept/Oct: .611
So, let’s see. He starts great, declines through June, has a blip upward in July, then declines again.
Remind me what this “myth” is?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
He got way worse at the end of his first season
He didn’t do poorly toward the end of his second season. The myth is that his two seasons have been identical in pattern.
Somebody take Aramis' bat off the restricted list, please.
Seriously?
Fukudome’s OPS in 2009, by month: 1052, 830, 507, 926, 904, 624.
Again, to suggest that Kosuke gets worse as the season goes on is completely false and just ignorant. Anyone who argues otherwise really has no clue what they’re talking about. Just because he got worse every month in 2008 doesn’t mean that it’s been that way since then.
I think your the one who's arguing against stats.
This year his OPS by month looks like this:
1.084 April/March
.715 May
.485 June
That’s a pretty easy trend to see.
did someone say myth
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
If youre gonna write a rank
spell the names of the players right for frack’s sake
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella
If I'm gonna write a snarky comment
spell the damn words right
rank=rant
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella
I thought you meant "rank"
… because it looked like he was ranking the trade possibilities.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
funny how sometimes a mistake still works out
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella
I agree in theory at least...
…about making all of those guys available for trades. But, obviously, whether any of them should be traded depends on what the Cubs could get back and the money involved.
A few things I disagree with:
1) Putting Tyler Colvin at first base would be a waste of his skills as an outfielder.
2) It’s starting to seem like many Cubs fans want to rush Brett Jackson to the big leagues, something I’m really not comfortable with.
3) I’m not completely buying the idea that Zambrano has pitched poorly this year. I know the mainstream media has been pushing this down our throats, but there’s pretty substantial evidence that he’s been quite unlucky, and we still have a relatively small sample of innings pitched thanks to the team’s unfortunate decision to move him to the bullpen and now his own ridiculous behavior. (Note: I’m not saying Z has pitched well; just that he hasn’t pitched as horribly as many are saying.)
4) Your decision to post this without double-checking the spelling of the player’s names.
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by daver on Jul 2, 2010 9:21 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Agree with
not rushing Jackson. But than again if he continues to burn it up at AA this season, you really owe to yourself to give him a long look in ST 2011
Go Cubs!
You cannot be serious!?
You cannot honestly defend Z at this point can you? The guy has an ERA over 5 and opponents are batting over .300 against him. Bad luck is a ground rule double over a short wall, not giving up 3 well hit singles followed by a homerun. Z being moved to the pin is the best thing for him. He can rest his tired arm, and use all that pent up emotion to get the few outs he needs in a late inning. He does not improve our starting rotation at all. People are saying he is pitching horribly b/c he has. His numbers reflect what we are seeing on the field; below mediocrity from a washed up headcase.
by HC is a Cubbie on Jul 2, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
John McEnroe? Is that you?
Heres what I’m referring to:
- Z’s FIP and xFIP are both over a full run lower than his ERA.
- His BABIP is a sky-high .377 (career BABIP: .284).
- His K/9 thus far is actually the highest it’s been since 2006 – he’s struck out 53 batters in 55.2 innings pitched.
Again, I’m not saying he’s pitching well. I’m saying he hasn’t pitched as poorly as you seem to think. But I can tell from your tone that you’re not going to temper your opinion on this, so let’s just agree to disagree.
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Tyler Colvin at First Base
Colvin is obviously very athletic and a skilled outfielder, but he could possibly be a great fit at first. Lefthanded is a plus, he’s tall at 6’3" and brings a lefthanded power bat in a power position.
I know people like to say it is a waste of his athleticism, but take a look at D-Lee. D-Lee was a basketball star and had the potential to go play basketball for UNC in college but turned it down for baseball.
I think you're comparing apples to oranges here.
Basketball skills have little to nothing to do with baseball skills, and Derrek Lee has never played a major league inning at any position other than first base.
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One of the biggest reasons why
people don’t want Colvin to play first base is because he’s “too athletic” and is a better fit in the outfield. He can use his athleticism to excel at 1B, similarly to D-Lee.
He could be a good first baseman and has the body frame to excel.
Could you use the reply function, please?
I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on this. DLee doesn’t have, nor has he ever had, the same kind of athleticism that Tyler Colvin has. It hurts a player’s value to take a young guy with good range and (from what I can tell) decent outfield instincts – who’s capable of playing all three outfield spots – and put him at first base.
Hey, you want Tyler Colvin in the lineup. I want Tyler Colvin in the lineup. We all want Tyler Covlin in the lineup. But there’s got to be a better way to do it then sticking him at first base.
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This
is one weakness in the Cubs system, no bonofide firstbase prospect. I had proposed we trade Lilly to the Dodgers. They have a 23 year old at AA who is a thumper. Jerry Sands. I do think the ML Dodgers are set at 1B for awhile.
Go Cubs!
That's an interesting idea.
Lacking first base prospects isn’t the worst thing in the world, because you can always fill that position with a defensively challenged thumper. And I still haven’t abandoned the idea of Prince Fielder in 2012.
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Point being
that if the Cubs can trade some of the ML talent (loosely used of course) you might as well trade for prospects in areas the Cubs are lacking.
Most likely they will not get in return top tier prospects, but than again just maybe some good old fashioned scouting can pay off so you can find that diamond in the rough.
Go Cubs!
In addition to "Boom" we need to "Cut"
Way too many fat and happy guys collecting paychecks for multiple years to come. If Hicks is gonna pay the money for listless performances, it’s time to just cut some of the players, and see if that stirs up some energy in the remainder.
Amongst Soriano, Ramirez, Zambrano and Fukudome we’ve got what 70M tied up next year alone! Frankly, I’ve seen enough of Dome and Soriano in the same outfield. Can’t cut Soriano yet, so let’s just axe Dome.

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