Where Will Ted Lilly Finish The Season? Cubs vs. Dodgers Preview, Saturday 7/10, 3:10 CT
by Al Yellon on Jul 10, 2010 1:00 PM CDT
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PrintNot just Ted, but perhaps other Cubs. Jim Hendry was asked if the Cubs are open for business:
"I guess that's quite possible," said Cubs general manager Jim Hendry, who already has been shopping Kosuke Fukudome and is expected to try to move multiple players with an eye toward paring payroll and clearing playing opportunities for touted young players as the Cubs renovate for a run next year. "The industry will probably be fairly active in the next couple weeks, so I can't say that's unrealistic."
Obviously, some of the Cubs' deals may not be tradeable due to dollars (Carlos Zambrano) or performance (Derrek Lee), but if the Cubs can trade Fukudome somewhere and get even some salary relief, you can bet that will happen. Ted Lilly, who we all love despite last night's bad outing and who would probably love to remain a Cub, may be the most tradeable commodity. George Castle says the White Sox might be one of the suitors, especially now with Jake Peavy out.
The Cubs may even get some calls about Carlos Silva, who may not be able to pitch tomorrow, says Bruce Miles:Lou says Carlos Silva is questionable for his scheduled start Sunday because of pain behind his right knee. If Silva can’t go, it looks like Mitch Atkins would get the start. UPDATE: With Atkins working 1.1 innings tonight, Lou said they'd see how Silva is tomorrow. If Silva can't go, he said the Cubs may have to go to the minor leagues to get a pitcher. I would not be surprised if it were Thomas Diamond, who is enjoying an all-star season at Class AAA Iowa.
Diamond is not currently on the 40-man roster, so he'd have to be added. The 40-man stands at 39 players (with Z on the restricted list, he doesn't count against the 40-man limit).
In any case, Bruce Miles also writes that no matter what deals are made, Hendry says a total rebuild is out of the question:
"Anything we will do, we'll try to set us up better for the future," Hendry said. "Like I told everybody the other day, we're not ever going to go into a season thinking we're not going to contend. In my mind, we should have been right in the thick of contention now. We just didn't get it done.
"That being said, we're starting to get better young players coming up in the system. A lot more of those guys are going to be coming in two or three years. But we're not going overhaul the program and think, 'Oh, we're going to be young for a couple years and can't win.' We're going to go into it to get ready for next season thinking we're going to contend again just having the ability of having some of our young guys come up and be part of that."
That's exactly right. This franchise can't afford to NOT do that, not with the fanbase they have and the dollars they are charging to see the product. It will be an interesting next three weeks.
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John Ely gave the Cubs only one run and four hits on May 27 at Wrigley Field, but the Cubs won because Ted Lilly (with help from Sean Marshall and Carlos Marmol) was better that day. Since that game, the league appears to have figured him out; in seven starts since then, he's 1-4, 5.17 with a 1.77 WHIP and six HR allowed in 38.1 innings. His last outing against the Marlins was his worst of the year, giving up nine hits and five earned runs in 2.2 innings. We could use some of that today.
Tom Gorzelanny had one of his worst outings vs. the Dodgers on May 26 at Wrigley Field, but he threw pretty well in Dodger Stadium on August 20, 2009; he left the game tied 2-2 and the bullpen blew it. Rafael Furcal, a noted Cub-killer, is 6-for-12 lifetime vs. Gorz.
Today's game is on Fox. I don't have a precise coverage map, but the other games are Braves/Mets and Twins/Tigers; the Cubs game likely goes to the entire West Coast (except the Bay Area, where they usually don't cover Dodger games), and the Midwest except for Tigers & Twins territory. Here is the complete MLB.com Mediacenter for today.
Baseball-reference.com game preview
Please visit our SB Nation Dodgers site True Blue LA.
Today's first pitch thread will be up at 3 pm CDT, and the overflows will post at 4:15 pm, 5:15 pm and 6 pm CDT.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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should be noted that
in one of bruce miles blogposts this weeks, he noted that he didn’t think the Cubs would deal Silva.
Sigh.
Gambling with a guy that’s playing about 160% of his career numbers.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
perfect chance to sell high
Recover even more of the MB deal.
by cozmotaylor123 on Jul 10, 2010 1:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep.
I’d do it, if you could get someone to take all the $.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
There's the rub...
Even contending teams are going to have a hard time forking up that kind of dough. Even if he’s having a career year.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 10, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I think the economy is making
teams more leery of taking on huge contracts than a few years ago. There’s definitely a huge difference between Silva and someone like Cliff Lee.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 10, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cub game
is on the Spanish Fox channel nationwide.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
I get it on Directv
and also on Comcast, Channel FOXESP
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
But we’re not going overhaul the program and think, ‘Oh, we’re going to be young for a couple years and can’t win.’ We’re going to go into it to get ready for next season thinking we’re going to contend again just having the ability of having some of our young guys come up and be part of that."
This is extremely stupid and short-sighted. Let me put this as clearly as possible:
Jim, you’re not giving up on the team if you “be young” for next year and onward. That’s just not true. Young baseball players are the best—they are hitting their peak, they are under team control and cheap contracts, and are valuable chips in the game of baseball. You can win with young players! I don’t need to cite all the teams of recent years (Marlins, Devil Rays) for this to be obvious.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
What part of
We’re going to go into it to get ready for next season thinking we’re going to contend again just having the ability of having some of our young guys come up and be part of that.
… contradicts your position?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The entire damn thing!
If Jim Hendry honestly believes this team can “contend” with the team we have then he’s lost his mind along with Lou. It’s going to take an overhaul of this team to win, Al. After 2012 (and sooner) we will have Zambrano, Aramis, Dome, Dempster, Lee, Lilly, Silva, and Byrd gone. Keep it that way. Keep it young and cheap until we have the foundation built. I read Jim’s comment as “We can still compete with the personnel we currently have”, which is a joke and then some. 2009 showed we cannot, 2010 clearly shows we cannot, and 2011 will only be worse unless he starts to sell his junk.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
That's not what he said.
He said that he’d have the ability of having young guys come up and be part of that. You misread it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
He's arguing that "going young" equates to being a non-contender.
And that’s completely wrong.
And bullheaded, ignorant, and the opposite of what this team needs.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Maybe I'm reflecting what I want this team to do on every interview...
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Maybe.
But the way I read it, Hendry said exactly the OPPOSITE of what you think he said.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Loney tags Fukudome almost directly on his logo
Or Hello(ney) Sailor!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Loney to Dome: "Have you lost weight?"
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
I hope the Cubs don't trade Silva, and though I hope Lilly isn't traded either,
it looks like it’s gonna happen. To which team is the question
by braziliancubsfan on Jul 10, 2010 1:10 PM CDT reply actions
Trade Silva, keep Lilly
unless you get a dan’t-refuse offer for him.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 10, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I know you'll have this answer--
What kind of compensation do we get for trading Lilly? I don’t understand the process. He’ll be a 10+ after this year, right?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I think so, but honestly I don't know
I don’t think it would be the worst thing in the world to sign him for a cheaper deal next year.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 10, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate to be optimistic
But, the top of our division continues to lose.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 10, 2010 1:11 PM CDT reply actions
Don't ever hate to be optimistic.
Realistically, mention it again when the top of the division loses nine in a row and the Cubs win nine in a row.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Not sure if this is a good thing or not,
But I don’t get the game on FOX today.
Three words why: New York Mets
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 10, 2010 1:15 PM CDT reply actions
They're awesome people
When in New York. I’ve had a blast in that city. The trouble begins when they believe that every other place in the country automatically cares what goes on in their city.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Check your email.
I just sent you a true story about someone from New York and how he behaved toward me.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 10, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Which email?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Your hotmail account.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 10, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you get the email?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 10, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
If its the story that I think you're telling him about
that can happen and does happen in any city.
I think that's spot on.
New York has always had a lot of reasons to have pride being the center of attention for a lot of things. But it also leads them to think they are more important at times because of that. I sure am glad I don’t have to pay to live there lol.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 10, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Caption:
Loney, upset with Fukudome’s recent play, jokingly spanks him with his glove. Once again, Fukudome is tagged out.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 10, 2010 1:18 PM CDT reply actions
I was wondering if Z
counted against the 40 man.
Diamond is scheduled to pitch for Iowa on Sunday, so it wouldn’t be a problem for him to pitch in LA. He’s scheduled for the AAA All-Star Game on Wednesday, but again, that wouldn’t be a problem.
I hope its not Diamond, actually
I am definitely a fan of his, but he still has one option year left. He would likely be sent down before this season is over, using up his last option year. I’d rather see him added to the 40 man after this year, and have next year be his last option year.
by Mulhollandmania on Jul 10, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
What pieces are the Cubs looking for through trades?
I think they are looking for what they can get.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Lineup via tweet from Carrie
#cubs lineup sat is 2b riot, rf colvin, 1b lee, 3b ramy, cf byrd, lf sori, ss castro, c soto, p gorzelanny
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Soto batting 8th.
Theriot batting leadoff. >_>
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
He needs a day off
Start Baker and Castro
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Dodgers lineup via tweet from Ken Rosenthal
#Dodgers’ lineup: Furcal, Carroll, Ethier, Kemp, Loney, Belliard, Ellis, Paul, Ely.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Go Cubs & Germany
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jul 10, 2010 1:33 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
The Octopus did pick Germany to win today.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 10, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
OT: 0-0 after 15 minutes
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jul 10, 2010 1:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Based on the chances it was a bit surprising
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jul 10, 2010 1:50 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Germany 1 : 0 Uruguay
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 10, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
17:58 Ger 1 - Uru 0
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jul 10, 2010 1:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
OT: At 22:36 tie game 1-1
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jul 10, 2010 1:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Seemed later than that.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 10, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you watching?
I can barely read the clock on my old TV
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jul 10, 2010 2:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ja.
35:30 right now.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 10, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
It's really pouring now.
Hope it does not go to OT because of Cubs game, which starts at 22:10 Munich time, iirc.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jul 10, 2010 2:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
OT: Half time GER 1 - URU 1
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jul 10, 2010 2:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Let's hope the Cubs do it better this evening.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jul 10, 2010 2:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I see you're a BIG soccer fan like I am Al!
I’ve watched paint dry and had more fun…
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
Different strokes for different folks.
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jul 10, 2010 2:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh, I agree. No disrespect for 'football' fans meant.
I just never ‘got it.’
And good luck eths. I know you’re pulling for Germany.
(They’re playing, right?) ;)
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
Yes, Germany is playing.
And I am cheering for Germany, too.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 10, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
"Bronze medal" game
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jul 10, 2010 2:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
There's a Bronze Medal game in World Cup? A tad anti-climatic?
Sort of like having a 3rd place game in the NCAA Basketball Championship (which they DID have up until 1980) …
Or looking at pictures of girls in Playboy after you’ve, um, well, you know… taken matters into your own hands…so to speak…
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
There's a Bronze Medal game in World Cup? A tad anti-climatic?
Sort of like having a 3rd place game in the NCAA Basketball Championship (which they DID have up until 1980) …
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
I heard you the first time. ;-)
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 10, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I like your first version better
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jul 10, 2010 2:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
OT: 50:50 URU 2 - GER 1
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jul 10, 2010 2:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
55:50 GER 2 - URU 2
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jul 10, 2010 2:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This is turning out to be a good match
Great goals there.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 10, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Messy but fun
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jul 10, 2010 2:53 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That it was...
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jul 10, 2010 2:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
GER 3 - URU 2 with about ten minutes left
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jul 10, 2010 3:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
i was trying to figure out
how many players Hendry signed that were coming off a serious injury or recent surgery. This year it was Nady and Tracy. In previous years Fox and Freel and Cotts among others. My question is if any of those discounted salaried players ever amounted to anything while they were with the Cubs?
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
IIRC, Silva also came after an injury
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jul 10, 2010 1:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, the Silva deal
was really a salary dump by two teams.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
True but wasn't he also coming off an injury?
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jul 10, 2010 2:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
OT: Did not know Fergie Jenkins was on the Harlem Globetrotters.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Did you know
The Harlem Globetrotters were formed in Chicago?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I wikipedia'd them.
So I just found out.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Carrie Muskat tweet
Carlos Silva says “I’m good” for Sunday’s start in the series finale vs #Dodgers
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Good news, I've really come to like Silva
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jul 10, 2010 1:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Be nice to see Diamond make his major league debut but not this season with the lack of run support
"They say you don’t win a pennant in April, but you can sure lose one." - Ryan Dempster
"Stuttgart Kickers soccer player Sascha Bender once suffered a facial injury after being punched. The assailant, teammate Christian Okpala, said Bender "permanently provoked me by farting all the time." "
James Loney enlists the help of Kosuke to study for his proctology exam.
What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?
I feel somewhat responsible...
Went to the last two games… I am staying home today, but I do have tix for tomorrrow. What the hell am I gonna do if we win today??
of course the Cubs don't do on field picture day
"They say you don’t win a pennant in April, but you can sure lose one." - Ryan Dempster
"Stuttgart Kickers soccer player Sascha Bender once suffered a facial injury after being punched. The assailant, teammate Christian Okpala, said Bender "permanently provoked me by farting all the time." "
Let's see if the Cubs can win the last two games of Lou's stint with the team.
“You can call me a dreamer, but I’m not the only one.”
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
Oooh, a deadline!
I like it, Carl!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I repeated this post in the game thread--it is now up!
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
Your first place Chicago White Sox, thank you...
Well, hopefully the Sox hold on to the lead and enter the All Star break in first place. Damn that feels good to say after how their season started.
"Don’t belittle entire fanbases or neighborhoods…simply because they are within proximity to some people who don’t operate (or look) the same way you do." - AndrewJStone 6/29/2010
if the sox
are interested in oswalt why not big z??? an ozzy favorite dont be surprised. lets trade lily to the rays for wade davis.
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