Cubs Trade Rumors Fly: Cubs vs. Phillies Preview, Friday 7/16, 1:20 CT
by Al Yellon on Jul 16, 2010 11:30 AM CDT
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PrintA number of tweets were sent out last night containing various Cubs trade rumors. From Bruce Levine:
#Cubs According to Bruce Levine, the #Tigers and #Rockies are interested in trading for Ryan Theriot
That one, I'd do in a heartbeat. Levine again:
#Cubs According to Bruce Levine, the #Tigers, #Twins, #Mets and #Dodgers are among the teams interested in Ted Lilly
The Cubs have some leverage here; Ted will, obviously, make his start today, but it seems likely he'll be pitching for one of those teams -- or maybe someone else not mentioned -- soon. Meanwhile, George Ofman of WGN radio says:
#Cubs According to George Ofman (WGN Radio), Mike Fontenot is drawing interest from the #Yankees
I can't see the Cubs trading both Fontenot and Theriot, but you never know. Ofman again:
#Cubs According to George Ofman (WGN Radio), the #Padres and #Rangers are interested in trading for Xavier Nady
Nady's a nice guy and all, I'm sure, but I'll be happy to drive him to the airport. One last rumor from Ofman:
#Cubs According to George Ofman (WGN Radio), Jim Hendry is working on package deals with teams in order to try to trade Kosuke Fukudome
Without getting into the whole "was the Fukudome contract worth it" issue again, Hendry's been good at working out multi-team deals in the past (I'm guessing that's what "package deals" means). If he can shed Fukudome's deal, that'd be quite a bit of salary space freed up for 2011.
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Joe Blanton has had a rough year, but he had a good outing against the Cubs on May 20 in Philadelphia, giving up three runs in seven innings. The Cubs had a chance to win that game until Lou left Ryan Dempster in too long, and ... stop me if you've heard this one before. Blanton throws strikes and has given up a lot of home runs, so if the Cubs keep their hitting shoes on from last night... good things could happen.
Ted Lilly also gives up a fair number of home runs. However, he has handled the current Phillies pretty well (23-for-91, .253). Today will be his first start against the Phillies this season.
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Today's first pitch thread will be up at 1:15 pm CDT, and the overflows will post at 2:15 pm, 3:15 pm and 4 pm CDT.
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So, except for Ted
Would we really miss any of those guys?
GETITDONEJIM!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I don't think so.
I do remember a time when I used to ♥ both Theriot and Fontenot almost as much as Ted Lilly. But that’s in the past.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 16, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Theriot and Fontenot were once well liked, but not ever loved IMHO.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
not me
Soto and Ted Lilly, I heart.
So happy to see Soto in the line up today! Last night when Pat & Ron were talking about how hot it is for pitchers and catchers I thought for sure this would give Lou an excuse to give him the day off today.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 16, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I ♥ Hill.
I think it may be the Florence Nightingale effect from the table saw incident.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 16, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
You and Lou both :(
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 16, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Big start for Ted
To turn his season around toward double-digit wins. Whether he’s with Cubs or not he needs to build his value as FA. I’m on the fence whether I want him back, I could see trying another route but if trade Z and don’t re-sign Lilly, our rotation will be pretty thin.
Glad to see the trade activity. Nady and one of Theriot/Fontenot surely gone. Pinella doesn’t seem to like/play Theriot much even tho he’s hit OK this year provides some pop at 2B.
Thanks for posting these threads Al.
Following the Yankee-Cub trail blazed in the 80's by cousin Ray.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
I say we trade him and D-Lee for Jeter and Teixeira.
I think that would be a fair deal. Big time.
(If only, if only…….)
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
I'd settle for Brett Gardner or the 90's-early '00s Bernie Williams.
by Steven Schweickert on Jul 16, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
If they're taking Dome, I'd settle for current Bernie Williams.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
I'd settle for Bernie Madhoff
"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
I'd settle for a Bernie Mac DVD.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 16, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd settle for a box of Kraft Mac & Cheese
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
You know you love it.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 16, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
me too
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 16, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Cubs go bankrupt in 3 years in a backloaded, full NTC Ponzi scheme.
by Steven Schweickert on Jul 16, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Fukedome
MADE OFF with our money.
"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
in his defense
Jim is the one who did the contract. I don’t hold it against Dome for signing it.
That being said, he hasn’t it.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 16, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Surely gone........
Is a bit of an overstatement.
Has Ricketts ever said how much he'd ideally
like to spend on payroll each year? The Cubs could be freeing up money to spend or just cutting payroll down to something Ricketts is comfortable with.
He has never placed a number on it publicly
And I don’t think he will – he feels that announcing that number won’t help the team in any way.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I don't think he needs to reveal a payroll limit publicly
There’s no need to handcuff yourself via a public statement. People inside the industry might know, but we know the Cubs have some money to play with after 2010.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
No, I don't think he'll say, "This is how much I want to spend..."
I just didn’t know if at some point he hinted at what neighborhood he’d like to be in payroll-wise. Guess we won’t know until some dough is off the books. I wouldn’t be surprised though if he’d be more comfy closer to $100 Million than $150 Million.
I don't care the amount
Just don’t have 20-25% of the team with untradable contracts not due to NTC, but b/c who would want these guys @ this price.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 16, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I really dont think Ricketts is hung up on an amount
He is a business man. It is about ROI on your current assets. Clearly if you look at the payroll today vs the Cubs record he/we are not getting the bang for the buck. I believe him when he states that he will reinvest the profits back in to the team whether that is in the form of player salaries, improvements to the stadium and facilities, or neighborhood structures to bring in more revenue. The trick is keeping fannies in the seats while transforming the current roster.
In essence I’m saying that I think the payroll is irrelevant if your assets (players) perform and your revenue stream stays stable or improves.
"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
Read the recap but not much of comments
So not sure if it was mentioned. BCB own ballhawk ken, caught Sori homer last night according to his tweet. (I don’t twitter but I have his favorited on the computer)
Here’s hoping to him catch another one today!
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 16, 2010 11:49 AM CDT reply actions
Al posted that in the recap.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Dear Jim,
Al has generously posted the trade possibilities on this fantastic site.
Listed possibility above #1 – DO IT NOW!
Listed possibility above #2 – DO NOT TAKE AWAY THE TED
Listed possibility above #3 – DO IT NOW.
Listed possibility above #4 – Just give him away I don’t even care anymore.
Listed possibility above #5 – DO IT NOW.
Yours truly,
Mike
P.S. GO CUBS today! I have tickets to the game tomorrow. Can’t wait!
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
If one must do #2
Get something worth it in return.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 16, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly. I have a feeling Lilly will be dealt, unfortunately.
But yes, please get something in return.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
The funny thing is ...
that the only one of those trades that would actually hurt the Cubs right now is Lilly.
Dear Cubs,
Just because you posted 12 runs yesterday, doesn’t mean you have to roll over and die today. Please don’t be completely terrible.
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Jul 16, 2010 12:03 PM CDT reply actions
For those of you suggesting Maddux for GM, Pitching Coach, Manager etc,
It is not that Maddux is not capable or someday willing to fill a full time role, but he has earned a couple of years where he does not have to do baseball 24/7 for 9 months of the year. He spent 25 years in pro-baseball and he often said he had promised his family he would take some time off after. Just be VERY grateful that he has decided to work for the Cubs because "part time " Maddux is better than full time almost anyone else.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 16, 2010 12:06 PM CDT reply actions
Maddux, Smoltz, and Saberhagen in the same threesome?
That’s a lot of hardware teeing off right there.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Dear Cubs
This might be Ted Lilly last start as a Cub. Please score runs for him today, As it will sadden many when he is gone, and him losing today b/c you scored less than 2 runs will also sadden us
Sincerely
Madison Cub Fan
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 16, 2010 12:07 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Pitch for me as if it were the last time.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 16, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice!
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Go Cubs!!!
"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster
by eths on Jul 16, 2010 12:17 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 16, 2010 12:20 PM CDT reply actions
Don't let the door hit ya on the way out
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Jul 16, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I might miss him
If my aim is bad when I throw things at him.
"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Gotta get one of these
Thanks, Clutch. :-)
"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde
on target...
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
thats a funny one
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 16, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I double-clutched a smile when I saw this.
well done.
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
Same as yesterday, with Soto and Castro flipped
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
His offensive resurgence
Was buried in the vortex of suck that was the offense of Lee and Rami. Now that those two are starting to break out of their funks a little, Soriano’s hits can lead to more RBIs (we hope).
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
ducks on the pond!
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Man, that would be nice...
1. Theriot is likely gone at the end of the year anyway, and he’s not bringing any value on the field (he may even be subtracting value). If we can get anything for him, that’s a plus.
2. Given the effectiveness of Gorzellany and Marshall, I suspect Lilly won’t be brought back next year. He also should have some actual trade value. So I’d expect him to go too.
3. Neither here nor there to me.
4. If trading him nets anything in return, I’m fine with it. He’s not really worked out.
5. This would potentially be the biggest move. It’d clear at least one of our two awful OF contracts. It all depends on how much money we’d have to eat or what awfulness we had to take back in return.
OT Steve Jobs is the best carny huckster ever
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Jul 16, 2010 12:28 PM CDT reply actions
And is the only employee Apple has
According to, well, everyone.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 16, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
What a nightmare for the buyers of this current Iphone
happy last year we got the 3gs last year. boyfriend loves it and we’ve had very few problems with it
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 16, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's absolutely hysterical that Apple is putzing around trying to not say that they knew the antennae were going to be a problem...
because they were more concerned with style than functionality.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 16, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Steve Jobs = cash vampire.
Don’t believe me? Check those teeth.
by Steven Schweickert on Jul 16, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
The only thing that's been able to excite me this season
has been when we talk about starting over and giving a WS run another try with new guys.
United we stand and united we'll fall......down on our knees the day we win it all!
by Bricks and Ivy on Jul 16, 2010 12:39 PM CDT reply actions
and my trip to wrigley next weekend for cubs/cards
United we stand and united we'll fall......down on our knees the day we win it all!
by Bricks and Ivy on Jul 16, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
How about beer?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I find the prospect and idea of beer exciting.
The execution of the beer, well, it isn’t pretty.
by Steven Schweickert on Jul 16, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm so bored.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 16, 2010 12:54 PM CDT reply actions
Duly noted.
Can we get you whatever makes TJ go all hyper and insane? Will that help?
by Steven Schweickert on Jul 16, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
an 8ball of coke?
We can't win at home. We can't win on the road. I just can't figure out where else to play!
-- Pat Williams
by Fat Punk Kicker on Jul 16, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Organizing & housework on my to do list for this afternoon during the game
but I also have an errand list but it’s 87 and steamy so I think I’ll wait until tonight, but if it would help you get less bored… you are more than welcome to my do list. wgn radio comes in on the car radio. :)
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 16, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm just going to watch this youtube clip over and over and over until the game starts...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 16, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
forgive me but can you give a 2 cent version of what he's saying?
no captions….and i’ve heard a lot about it. Just curious.
by cubsonWGN4ever on Jul 16, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
double complete rainbow across the sky....
oh my gawd…
oh my gawd…
oh my gawd…
oh my gawd…
it’s starting to even look like a TRIPLE rainbow
ohhh….ohhhhhhh….OOOOOHHHHHHHHHH
it’s so bright and vivid…
what does this mean?
::weeping::
it’s too much…
i don’t know what it means.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 16, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
lol what's he on?
no wonder it got 4million+ views
by cubsonWGN4ever on Jul 16, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
here...they auto-tuned it and I have it stuck in my head....go ahead and give it a listen.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 16, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
you forgot the insane laughter along with the weeping
OMG it’s so intense.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
ok .. pre game ritual # 1 .. COOLIOGIRL .. 1-2-3!
TWIRL!
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
NSFW .. see you in a few on break
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
FWIW .. lose them all except Ted
He is non negotiable, IMHO ..
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
Ted Lilly could win the World Series by himself.
He just allows the rest of the team to hold him back. You know, for parity’s sake.
by Steven Schweickert on Jul 16, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i would miss Dome
only for his defense and work ethic, which unfortunately seemed limited when it came to his batting ..
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
This is Great News
Not only would these be great drops from the team but none of those players (imo) has a breakout season in their futures that would leave us scratching our heads as to why we ever let them go. Theyve all primed. Get rid of them
What, if anything would we be gettin out of these deals besides prospects?
just noticed this on front page of bcb on Al's twitter feed
RT @PWSullivan: D-Lee’s friends tell @Ken_Rosenthal he’d waive no-trade: D-Lee: "I’d bet not one of my friends knows who Ken Rosenthal is.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 16, 2010 1:18 PM CDT reply actions
BULLS FYI
Bulls just came to terms with Ronnie Brewer. Starting lineup is in place
Funny how a few years ago how excited we were to be in the bidding for Fukudome
and now we can’t wait to get rid of him if the price is right. Sad that he never got it going offensively. Hos glove was awesome,. but he never became the 20-30 HR guy we thought we were getting.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
Mock me if you wish for saying this,
but I’d love to see the deadline pass with no trades for the Cajuns just to see some people choke on their bile.
Honestly, the hate for them is so out of control it’s ridiculous.
do you also want to keep Z?
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 16, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Him, not so much.
Or Nady, or Fukudome. I don’t hate Nady or Fukudome though (Zambrano I do hate, because of his puerile outbursts).
by owllover711 on Jul 16, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's keep dreaming....
Lilly, Theriot, Fontenot, Nady to one of their rumored teams.
Lee to the Angels.
Fukudome gone in a package deal.
Ramirez to the best bidder.
Soriano……..um……..well I did say we were dreaming, right?…..to whoever is willing to take him without saddling the Cubs with 70% of the salary……..
I’d prefer to keep guys like Byrd and Dempster, but don’t think anyone should be off of the trading table if the interest and vaule is high.
FIRE SALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Official MCM Pessimist.
Oh, I'm sorry; did I poke a hole in the echo chamber?
by The Jade Scorpion on Jul 17, 2010 9:44 AM CDT reply actions
No...
…. a fire sale,is just, well, in a word, stupid.
Trading interchangeable pieces like Theriot, Fontenot, Nady is not a fire sale. Same for Fukudome. If the team doesn’t complete this little mini-resurgence they’re on right now, then possibly Lee if he’d waive his NTC by the deadline or a waiver deal in August. Ramirez, no.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
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