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Ramirez Drives In Four, Cubs Hit Three Homers In 12-6 Rout Of Phillies

So where was this team the whole first half?

Three home runs (Geovany Soto, Alfonso Soriano, Derrek Lee). Two doubles -- both to nearly the identical spot on the field -- by Aramis Ramirez, driving in four runs.

And, until Bob Howry put the Phillies almost back in the game and forced Lou to send Larry Rothschild to the mound to call for Andrew Cashner for the final out, solid pitching.

All of it resulted in a 12-6 Cubs win over the Phillies, and a possible dilemma for Jim Hendry. The Cubs are nine games out of first place, having picked up half a game on the idle Reds. What if Lee gets hot for a couple of weeks? He's more tradeable then, but what if that also leads the team on a run that gets them, say, within four or five games of the lead?

Do they deal parts away? Paul Sullivan wrote this tantalizing bit:

Ted Lilly met with general manager Jim Hendry to discuss his future before Thursday night's game with the Phillies.

Lilly is on the block and is considered the Cub with the most trade value. Lilly has said he would like to stay in Chicago and has a limited no-trade clause. Hendry would like to keep Lilly, but he doesn't know if the Cubs can meet his free agent demands in November so he has to consider getting something in return.

Hendry said he doesn't discuss trade possibilities, while Lilly declined comment.

"I don't know if I have the right to discuss that," he said. "Write whatever you want."

As noted, Hendry doesn't negotiate in the media, which likely gets him the respect of his trade partners. What we know about Ted Lilly is that he will make his scheduled start this afternoon. Beyond that, it's likely day-to-day until July 31, or maybe beyond, because almost all the Cubs' tradeable parts will clear waivers.

Star-divide

Ryan Dempster threw 6.2 fine innings -- his only real mistake was a fastball to Ryan Howard that Howard yanked onto Sheffield for a 2-0 lead. And the first thought after that -- it happened after two were out and no one on base -- was, "Uh-oh, here we go again." But Dempster settled down and the Cubs came from behind, a rare thing this season; they hit with men on base (while still leaving seven), took advantage of two Jamie Moyer HBP's, and scored seemingly at will. Incidentally, in Moyer's long career, that's the first time he's ever hit two batters in an inning (the first, both scoring on A-Ram's first double).

And Lou even pulled Dempster at the right time when he was clearly out of gas and a rally was going; Sean Marshall stopped it.

Starlin Castro singled, doubled and tripled and scored a run on what was credited as a stolen base on an attempted suicide squeeze; the pitch bounced in the dirt. It could have been ruled a wild pitch, but Castro got a SB likely because he was already running before the pitch. It was the Cubs' first straight steal of home since Brian McRae did it on April 13, 1996 at San Francisco. (Didn't help. The Cubs lost the game 3-2 in 10 innings.)

None of the three Cubs homers needed help from the wind, which was blowing out briskly to right field when the game started, but calmed down later. Soriano's third-inning blast off Moyer was caught on the fly by BCB's own Ballhawk Ken; that was the 511th HR allowed by Moyer, who extends his career record with every dinger he allows. For perspective, that is the number of homers former New York Giant great Mel Ott hit; if Moyer had hit that many as a hitter, he'd be tied with Ott for 23rd place on the all-time list today.

Fun but irrelevant note: this was the first win this year in four games televised on WCIU. There will be four more such games, the next one Monday vs. the Astros.

Wins like that have been hard to come by this year, and may not mean much in the end. Nevertheless, they are still fun to watch. Keep 'em coming. The pregame thread for this afternoon's game will post at 11:30 am CDT.

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"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Jul 16, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely unconscionable

That one would post that snippet without the preceding one.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 16, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Jul 16, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

A convincing 7 of 10.

But why not go for 9 of 10? Really build up the momentum for August.

by Flatley on Jul 16, 2010 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hate to be a downer, but

if you stack a .320 OBP at the top of your lineup (Theriot, Colvin), you are not gonna consistently score runs. I don’t understand how Lou doesn’t get this — it’s basic. Hit Colvin somewhere in the middle, and put Dome (when he’s playing), Byrd, or Castro up near the top. Y’know, guys with .400-ish OBP.

It is just idiocy to lead Theriot off, as BCB has been mentioning all season. And Colvin as a 2 hitter is almost as stupid. If this is the lineup Lou’s gonna play, you might as well start dumping players, because you’re not going to produce runs over the long haul.

by cubmudgeon on Jul 16, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with what you're saying

But Byrd is not a high OBP guy.

"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk

by vonde6 on Jul 16, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

His OBP is .368 - second on the team to Soto

"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella

by El Borto on Jul 16, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

not quite the .400-ish claimed above

But better than earlier in the season. I thought that it was hovering about .020 above his batting average for a long while.

"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk

by vonde6 on Jul 16, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Trading Theriot could improve the MLB team

Because then Lou can’t play Mr. .300 OBP/TOOTBLAN. Addition by subtraction!

by ClarkFan on Jul 16, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sure-let's make it Z.

"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Jul 16, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

+38

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 16, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

some things can be traded

And some just go straight to the dumpster

"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk

by vonde6 on Jul 16, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have to say..

Although I did not get to watch the game last night (not on WGN), I listened to it and I personally think this is one of the best games of the season so far (minus Howry). The offense was great, it was managed well, and was exciting. Al, you are exactly right on Lou pulling Demp. I was worried that Demp would talk Lou into leaving him in with Raul up to bat.

by bazfan1234 on Jul 16, 2010 7:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Lou made the motion

to bring in Marshall before he even crossed the foul line, All too often he has asksed the pitcher how they feel and gets talked out of pulling him. It was good to see Lou in charge.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jul 16, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Surprising, actually.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 16, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I mentioned during the Game Threads

That it appears as though Lou has finally figured out his bullpen. SET pointed out that Cashner’s arrival has had a lot to do with that, and I agree, but it appears as though Lou now knows in what roles those guys are best used, and is actually using them in a more correct fashion than he was even a month ago.

Maybe he can start pulling starters that are showing fatigue at the proper times now, rather than hold his breath and hope his clearly struggling starter can still get out of the 7th.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 16, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Amen, Clutch

"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk

by vonde6 on Jul 16, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

We've been outscored 76-42

in the 7th inning this year. Our starters, other than Silva, all have surrendered batting averages of .368, .327, .368 and .327. Obviously we have needed a steady group of late relievers to maintain our close games,

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jul 16, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dang it.

They sucked me right back into hoping again. If they look good like this again tonight I may be lost.

"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Jul 16, 2010 8:07 AM CDT reply actions  

I know...darn them. :D

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jul 16, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

So did Aramis earlier this year

And so has Soriano for most of his career. That’s just plate discipline. Colvin’s got a pretty good eye for most pitches, and he’s already fixed one hole – let’s give him a couple more ABs to see if he can figure this one out, too.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 16, 2010 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

And Soriano has usually been remarkably more disciplined this year

I think that Jaramillo (sp?) is worth every penny, just when considering Soriano’s improvement.

"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk

by vonde6 on Jul 16, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great offense, great win

even against a soft-tossin’ lefty, too!

Howry needs to either develop a new pitch, or retire. The middle-of-the-plate-no-movement-88mph-fastball isn’t fooling anyone. I know once upon a time he had more velocity and could spot that pitch very well, but I think those days may be gone.

"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon

by HawkVision on Jul 16, 2010 8:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Of all the games NOT to be on,

I really would have liked to seen this game and finally see all the hitting I expected all year. Will have to drive in for the last two in the series!

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Jul 16, 2010 8:10 AM CDT reply actions  

No tv?

Had a hell of a time scrambling to find this game for my customers. Burns me up after paying commercial price for the MLB package and not getting this game.

by HotDogDude on Jul 16, 2010 9:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with you.

People who have been here a while know my position: if you are willing to pay to see a game, you should be able to get it, no blackouts, no matter where you are.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 16, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I applaud this position whole-heartedly

"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk

by vonde6 on Jul 16, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh man, they scored 12 runs last night?

We are totally screwed today.

www.facebook.com/craighudak

by Craig in South Bend on Jul 16, 2010 8:10 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Hey hey HEY

… none of this negativity! This is a new beginning!

(crossing fingers, hoping)

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 16, 2010 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I've even got my toes crossed.

"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster

by eths on Jul 16, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I. AM. NOT. CUTE.

"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster

by eths on Jul 16, 2010 10:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

;-)

"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster

by eths on Jul 16, 2010 10:30 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Man oh man...

If the Cubs can hit the ball like that every day, they will sweep the 10-game homestand. I’ll settle for 9 out of 10 – nobobdy’s perfect.

Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!

by DKT on Jul 16, 2010 8:18 AM CDT reply actions  

True enough,

if the Cubs score at least 12 runs every single game, they will be unbeatable

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Jul 16, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unless the opponent scores 13 or more.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 16, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn you and your fancy arithmetic...

"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk

by vonde6 on Jul 16, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was told there would be no math.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 16, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was great listening to the Cubs play so well today at work. I don't know what I would do without the audio archives.

 
<Dream active=“True”>
And just think: One down and 20 wins to go to tie the winning streak record…
</Dream>

"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster

by eths on Jul 16, 2010 8:19 AM CDT reply actions  

It was a good game for pondering

who to line up as a replacement for the hole that will be left in my heart if they trade Ted Lilly. I’d have to say Castro “stole” the show for me last night, but those are big shoes to fill so IDK.

"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Jul 16, 2010 8:27 AM CDT reply actions  

Maybe Lou will see Soto's HR as a reason to start him more often

Nah…

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 16, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

dangit Al

on my drive home from work last night with the game tied 2-2 I was pondering…what do the Cubs do if at the deadline they are only 5 games back (very feasible) who do they add or is the season still a lost ship at sea? Ramirez being back and hitting well might take the pressure off and lighten the mood in the clubhouse enough to let the other guys just go up to the plate and think just get on base rather than win the game with this at bat

Sipping the Kool-Aid since 1982 - Kinda
Currently 34,839 on the Season Ticket Wait List - Expected age of being #0: 119

by hansman1982 on Jul 16, 2010 8:42 AM CDT reply actions  

Good questions.

You were pondering. Imagine what Jim Hendry must be thining.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 16, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

It must be hard to be Hendry these days.

"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster

by eths on Jul 16, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

I meant “thinking”.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 16, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, I figured that's what you meant, and I normally don't point out typos ...

living in a glasss house like I do. But this one was kinda fun.

One of Lee Elia's 15%

by waiting4cubs on Jul 16, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Glasss"?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 16, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

See what I mean! I made another typo below, too! And I used to work in the printing industry.

Luckily, no one relied on my proofing skills. Or lack thereof.

One of Lee Elia's 15%

by waiting4cubs on Jul 16, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Hendry really is thinning

I’d recommend he get a slice of Mac and Cheese pizza at Ian’s Pizza on Clark.

Had that last night. Too good.

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Jul 16, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

OK, maybe he needs to sneak in the pizza

Because I highly recommend that after a game. It was 11:45 last night and people kept coming in.

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Jul 16, 2010 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sadly, after asking Mrs. Zeke why the heck they would even have to post such a sign

we noticed scratches on the noodle made by kids/adults who had done exactly that.

The lack of intelligence exhibited by some people surprises even me.

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Jul 16, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

...

"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster

by eths on Jul 16, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Win

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jul 16, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Only if al dente

"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster

by eths on Jul 16, 2010 10:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't know what kind of counting you do!

There are 2 Ns in thining

"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster

by eths on Jul 16, 2010 10:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Since Castro was running on the pitch

it’s a stolen base. That’s the rule.

by JohnM on Jul 16, 2010 8:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Correct.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 16, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

where the hell did this offense come from?!?!

hahaah, if this is kept up. World Series!!! wooO!!

Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!

by Chanman25 on Jul 16, 2010 8:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Amazing what

Jamie Moyer will do for a limp, lifeless offense…

by Bradsbeard on Jul 16, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

And his record against this core group of guys had been pretty good until last night

He always seemed to confound our big bats – maybe he’s lost whatever magic he once retained.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 16, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

there must be a formula

In which the speed of his fastball falls until it hits a number that is an integral multiplier of our normal whiff wavelength.

Would someone please come in here and do the math?

"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk

by vonde6 on Jul 16, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Once again

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 16, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Take 3 of 4 from the Phils

and 2 of 3 from Houston and then lets see where were at….

The problem with this team is once you think they are turning a corner, they go and lose in terrible fashion: In predictable 2010 form, I can see the Cubs sweeping the Phillies and then losing all 3 in Houston.

9 games out is still quite a bit, but with Aramis hitting well, I all of a sudden have new found hope.

It’s been frustrating this year, but I bet Phillies’ fans must be just as frustrated. All their injuries and they were playing terrible for a couple of weeks there. Most people, including myself, had this team leading there division by a wide margin.

THE FONZ HAS ARRIVED!

by amaru on Jul 16, 2010 9:02 AM CDT reply actions  

they can sweep Houston :)

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jul 16, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going today, but without a lot of expectations.

More normal for this team would be to lose two or three to the Phillies and then lose 2 of 3 to the Astros. I can hope this doesn’t happen, that the horrible 2010 pattern is broken for a couple of series at least, but I won’t be surprised if it’s back to normal today and beyond. But there is always that ray of hope. Today I’m only gonna hope they win this one game. If they do, they I’ll hope again tomorrow and so on.

One of Lee Elia's 15%

by waiting4cubs on Jul 16, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

You will, at least, be in the shade.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 16, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hats and long sleeves

A must if you’re planning on sitting out in the bleachers more than once a week. That, or camp out under the scoreboard.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 16, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I gave hope to a Phillies friend last night

I said “don’t worry, now we’ll score 0, 1, and 3 runs the rest of the weekend and lose the all 3 to the Phillies.”

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Jul 16, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

That was very cruel

 
(I hope)

"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster

by eths on Jul 16, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hope I'm wrong

Tired of seeing the big scoring game and then the offensive shut-down during the rest of the series.

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Jul 16, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Would it not be refreshing for a change

to see a couple of total offensive domination games in a row, starting with last night?

by JFCubFan on Jul 16, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Lou's kind of weather

Today: Abundant sunshine. High 89F. Winds WSW at 10 to 20 mph.

Just tell the hitters to think like golf – tee it high and let it fly.

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Jul 16, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Except they're not playing in Houston.

They’re playing in Chicago.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 16, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Meanwhile... the Sox have won 9 in a row...

That’s their second long winning streak this year. We sure could use two streaks like that!

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Jul 16, 2010 9:06 AM CDT reply actions  

A-Ram now batting .366 in July!

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)

by SackMan on Jul 16, 2010 9:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Good time to see if anyone what he could bring in trade

I was hoping he would get hot and raise his market value.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Jul 16, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

From absolutely nothing to not unless you pay the tab?

Face it, Ramirez is staying this year, and he’s picking up his option as well.

by bdlugz on Jul 16, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is one of those games that I really would have enjoyed watching

Nonetheless, it’s a great way to come out of the break.

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jul 16, 2010 9:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Too much fielder's indifference--unfair for the pitcher...?

Len and Keith made a good point about a problematic aspect of conceding 2nd base to a runner on first in the final inning. Howry got charged with 4 earned runs, when maybe it only should have been 2 or 3. Valdez, Victorino, and Ibanez all singled and then proceeded to second during the following at-bat due to fielder’s indifference. There’s no way Valdez or Victorino would have scored on a single had they been kept at first.

That being said, Howry is still responsible for allowing 3 singles and then serving up a meatball for Howard hit out of the park. Nevertheless, I think there are other situations (with better pitchers) in which it does seem unfair to make a relief pitcher take a hit to their ERA due to fielder’s indifference.

Then again, I suppose the reason for allowing the runner to take second in the first place is to allow the infielders to maintain better defensive positions and to eliminate the possibility of a wild pick-off throw. In this case you could say it’s the pitcher’s job to “take one for the team” at the expense of his individual stats. (Or, better yet, not allow any further hits!)

by cwpettis on Jul 16, 2010 9:25 AM CDT reply actions  

I have Howry Indifference

"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde

by Tingham on Jul 16, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Keith"?

No Brenly last night? I was at the game.

I agree with you on the defensive indifference. In the end, it didn’t matter because Howard’s HR would have scored all the runs, and maybe they would have kept the runners close if they weren’t up by 10 runs.

I will note that this kind of base-advancing is a recent development in baseball. 20-30 years ago, runners just didn’t do this.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 16, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2010/7/15/1565587/overflow-thread-1-cubs-vs-phillies#42161680

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 16, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Keith Moreland

I missed the first inning, so I’m not sure why Bob was off. I thought he did a pretty good job for someone who doesn’t do broadcasting on a regular basis.

by cwpettis on Jul 16, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Moreland is radio color man

for University of Texas football and baseball broadcasts.

He also has done radio with Pat Hughes occasionally when Santo is ill or doesn’t make a road trip, most notably last year about this time in Philadelphia.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 16, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

This drove me absolutely nuts last night!

Watching this unfold, I remarked that allowing one runner to steal second through fielder’s indifference is fine in a blowout game, but THREE?? And incidentally, all three scored. They should have tightened up their defense after the first one and gone into “don’t let it happen again” mode. Drove me nuts.

by cubsonWGN4ever on Jul 16, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm indifferent to this post ;)

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Jul 16, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm indifferent to indifference

"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster

by eths on Jul 16, 2010 10:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm indifferent in a different way

"All of us are in the gutter...some of us are looking at the stars." Oscar Wilde

by Tingham on Jul 16, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Meh...

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Jul 17, 2010 4:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was not unfair in this case

The only difference would have been that it would have been 3 run homer so hard to care about that.
I was actually happy Howry gave up the runs. Maybe just maybe the Cubs might think of cutting him and letting one of the kids up. They could not be any worse.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 16, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

The meatball kills your ERA argument

Anyone on base scores on that HR and it’s still Howry’s fault.

by ClarkFan on Jul 16, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Back up the truck

This is fool’s gold. Do not be fooled.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 16, 2010 9:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

The Cubs won a game with their best starting pitcher starting the game. Great! Only 9 games back!

by rlpete on Jul 16, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry

but Dempster is still our best starter. Even with Silva’s nice start.

Maybe next year is finally our year.

by Unique on Jul 16, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

What, no popsicle reference? I was waiting for it...

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Jul 16, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or paste-eating.

I know, I’m as surprised as you are.

by Steven Schweickert on Jul 16, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

BTW

I’ve seen some very terrible looking female breasts….

THE FONZ HAS ARRIVED!

by amaru on Jul 16, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, please, don't go there

"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk

by vonde6 on Jul 16, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Last Night was great

but like the AZ sweep it is nothing more than fun. I want the Cubs to be fun in the 2nd half but they have a LONG way to go before I will let myself really “believe”. Don’t get me wrong, I am a certified Kool-Aid drinker who does not “give up” till they are mathmatically eliminated but one show of power is not making up for the craptastic season and all the blown opportunities.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 16, 2010 9:42 AM CDT reply actions  

The Kool-Aid flows weakly in you

;-)

"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster

by eths on Jul 16, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps

but only because I have ODed on it so many times I may be building up a little immunity.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 16, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Verrrry verrrrry good

"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster

by eths on Jul 16, 2010 10:21 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Anyone got te lineup yet?

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jul 16, 2010 10:04 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Same as yesterday EXCEPT

Castro & Soto flipped with Soto back to batting 8th.

No I can’t link it.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 16, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's surprising.

I’d have thought Lou would have stuck with the lineup that scored twelve.

by Flatley on Jul 16, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Best game I never saw.

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jul 16, 2010 10:41 AM CDT reply actions  

You need to go to more games or see more.

It was fun especially considering how bad the season has been , but not THAT great.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 16, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Reading is funtimental and not my best skill obviously

However not even close for me on that either. I remember I had to work at Navy Pier during the " Baby Ruth " game.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 16, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Don't worry.

I’ll leave my red pen in its holster. ;-)

What was your job at Navy Pier?

by Flatley on Jul 16, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's back! He's back! Aramis is back!

A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.

by mikegncb34 on Jul 16, 2010 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Why is it that every time I got to the shrink and miss the game

The Cubs score a bazillion runs?

"I do not aim with my hand; he who aims with his hand has forgotten the face of his father. I aim with my eye.
I do not shoot with my hand; he who shoots with his hand has forgotten the face of his father. I shoot with my mind.
I do not kill with my gun; he who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father. I kill with my heart."

by windycitywarrior on Jul 16, 2010 11:09 AM CDT reply actions  

That sounds CRAZY!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 16, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Two things.......

Bob Howry should not be on this team and shouldn’t have been given another chance-we let him go for a reason.

And Al, let’s not make one game into “Jim Hendry has a possible dilemma.” A bit of an overstatement, don’t you think?

by jballgame on Jul 16, 2010 11:25 AM CDT reply actions  

The best senario for

today’s game would be a great performance from Lilly and a Cubs loss. I don’t want them to get a couple wins and create a false hope where Hendry doesn’t sell when he had the chance.

by Ryno G on Jul 16, 2010 11:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Nonsense

The biggest consideration for any trade is whether there is something in it for us. The calculations don’t change dramatically based on this one game.

"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk

by vonde6 on Jul 16, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

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