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Do you believe in miracles?

Ok, I understand that right now we are incredibly far out of the NL Central lead and it looks like the Wild Card probably isn't going to come from our division either.  I understand that our offense has looked pitiful for far more games than it has looked good.

But imagine, if only for a second, if the Cubs were to do the unthinkable (especially as of 2 weeks ago) and get hot while the Reds stumbled and the Cards continued their recent woes. Now imagine that the Cubs have managed to defeat the Phillies 3-1, 5 of 6 from the Astros and 2 of 3 from the Cardinals.  That would give us 10 of 13 after the break.  Now, the Reds take 5 of 13 (last 10 for them is 4-6 on a 4 loss streak) and the Cardinals go 7-7 through the 29th (last ten is 5-5 but on a 2 game win streak). The standings would be as followed (also assuming that the Brewers do nothing to gain ground on the Cubs):

1. Reds - 54-48

2. Cardinals - 53-48 --- .5 games back

3. Cubs - 50-53 --- 4.5 games back (if my calculations are correct and good God we are in a bad spot)

Ok, now lets say that Ryan Theriot and Kosuke Fukudome have been traded for prospects that are not ready for the bigs and the Cubs are able to free up $5 million in salary from these two and Tommy Boy says he will throw in another $1.5 million.  Who else do you deal, who do you go for, do you do nothing as Jimbo, do you call up Darwin Barney and try for bullpen help or do you still say screw 2010 this is just a fluke of a couple weeks and try to shed salaries as quick as possible.

When you reply - I don't care about the feasabiltiy of this situation, I understand there is a greater liklihood that I will win the Lottery before this happens, I am simply saying, if this would happen, if the Cubs were to be or become buyers at this trade deadline then who do you want/what would you do.

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Yes, and it happened already

Feb. 22, 1980

Just win the next game...!

by blackhawk24 on Jul 16, 2010 1:28 PM CDT reply actions  

and then maybe Fergie Jenkins and Billy Williams would come out

of retirement and have an amazing rest of the year… sorry for the sarcasm just don’t see it happening.

United we stand and united we'll fall......down on our knees the day we win it all!

by Bricks and Ivy on Jul 16, 2010 1:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Imagine if the Cubs would have won the NLCS in 1984 and 2003

Or better yet, imagine if the Cubs would have won the WS in 1906 or 1945.

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jul 16, 2010 1:50 PM CDT reply actions  

History will be made...

…and that history won’t include the Cubs being a playoff team in 2010.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jul 16, 2010 2:14 PM CDT reply actions  

A month ago, we all thought the White Sox

were dead and buried, too. No signs of life.

Not saying lightning will strike twice, but …

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 16, 2010 3:43 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd love for it to be true.

One win at a time, make it so.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 16, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

You notice the site was down fer awhile Al?

Probably a worthless question yet I’m compelled to ask.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 16, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I heard about the site issues.

Apparently, now resolved.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 16, 2010 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes NBF, Make it so!

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 16, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

What the White Sox

did is almost unheard of. The chances of lightening striking twice like that in one year, I don’t think so.

by troutfishin on Jul 16, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

same thing has been said about pitching no hitters and perect games

yet this season has seen quite a few

Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue

by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 16, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the Optimism

For right now, the goal of 2010 should be to finish above .500. Do you get any rings for that? No, but the Cubs could build on the momentum of a strong second half in 2010 to get off to a good start in 2011. The Padres finished strong last season and have been the big surprises in the NL in 2010.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Jul 16, 2010 3:46 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree with this approach

This organization needs to make a habit of winning. Even if the playoffs are beyond our reach, take some pride and go for lesser goals. And do this in spite of who is traded or tossed in the dumpster.

"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk

by vonde6 on Jul 16, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Time to re-tool the roster

start building a new core of players who hopefully can contend in the near future

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Jul 17, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

2006 Cubs started second half strong too

Just saying….

However, they should look at this homestand. Never say never.

It just would suck for the team if they were doing well before the trading deadline and then collapse again.

by ak123 on Jul 16, 2010 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm kind of non plussed about this.

I don’t see them in any different situation really now…Try to win, look for a good trade that will benefit the team and if you can shed any of the huge contracts for a decent return, do it.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 16, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, the 2006 Cubs did NOT start the second half "strong".

They went into the 2nd half a lot farther behind — 14.5 games — and lost five of their first eight after the break, including this brutal game on July 16 when they gave up 11 runs in an inning to the Mets.

I wouldn’t call that “strong”, no.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 16, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

But I remember

On Baseball Tonight the reporters saying “Cubs have the best second half record in the NL” for a few weeks. Losing five of 8 is baffling to my memory.

by ak123 on Jul 16, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Regardless of what Baseball Tonight said...

… they started off the 2nd half badly. After that 3-5 start, they did go 15-8 over the next three weeks. So that means altogether, in the first month after the ASB, they were 18-13. Big whoop. Never got closer to first place than 11.5 games.

This team is far better than the 2006 version. Look here if you don’t believe me.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 16, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

When Bob Howry leads your team in ERA

I’m only kidding since he was actually very effective in 2006.

by ak123 on Jul 16, 2010 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's just say...

We manage to sweep the Phils and and Houston, do you still go through with trying to trade Lilly, Lee, Theriot, etc.?

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 16, 2010 4:09 PM CDT reply actions  

That's a really good question.

Depends, I suppose, on how far behind they are after this homestand. There will be choices to be made.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 16, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we can get within...

5 games by the deadline, I think everyone stays.

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jul 16, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily "everyone".

They could trade off small parts like Nady, Fontenot, Fukudome — those guys can be replaced.

In any case, nothing’s going to happen right away.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 16, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

or maybe a move or two to improve

Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue

by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 16, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

they arent planning on resigning Lilly are they?

is he even an option for next year? because if they dont plan on re-signing him then get whatever you can from him, even if we look like we are going to do something.

"There had to be a place where the game could be fun again….that place is called Wrigley Field"---Andre Dawson

by epsilon on Jul 26, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

You trade Theriot every day of the week - he's just been dead weight with his dumb baseball

Lilly and Lee, no. Besides they may bring draft picks if they sign FA deals after the season. And having them back on 1-year arb deals in 2011 wouldn’t be the worst outcome – I’d rather see that than the Cubs signing mid-tier FAs to 3-5 year deals in the offseason.

by ClarkFan on Jul 16, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Kinda where I was going with this fanpost

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by hansman1982 on Jul 16, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's an interesting thought.

But I don’t think mgmt would be wise to think about that until or unless we get closer to that happening.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 16, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Two wins .. nice .. but curb your enthusiasm

Table this discussion until we take the next three series, OK?

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Jul 16, 2010 6:45 PM CDT reply actions  

next three series

IN A ROW

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Jul 16, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

The OP noted that this situation is highly unlikely. It is just a what if.

And even if unlikely, it is a relevant discussion since teams are in the midst of trade talks.

by fsuapollo on Jul 16, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Simply Delusional

Vegas makes a killing on exactly the low probability sucker mentality that this post so perfectly expresses.

If It Takes Forever ....

by wrigley1 on Jul 16, 2010 7:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Why? What is "delusional"? Which of these three events is impossible?

The Cubs winning 10 of 13 with a home heavy schedule? I am more than happy to file that under really, really unlikely. But even bad teams have good stretches like that… and the Cubs a) aren’t epically bad like the Pirates or Indians, they’re maddeningly mediocre and b) they haven’t had a run like that yet this year.

The Reds continuing to slide? The Reds are better than the Cubs, but are certainly capable of sliding. But I’ll file this under unlikely as well, as they have a soft schedule (3 vs COL, 4 vs WASH, 3 @ HOU, 3 @ MIL).

The Cards playing .500 baseball? Obviously any team could have a stretch like this. For the record, the Cards have a tough stretch coming: 4 @ LA, 4 vs PHI, 3 @ CHC, 3 @ NYM.

Is this scenario likely? No. Is the Cubs making a comeback likely? No. The OP acknowledged all of that.

But suggesting that the created scenario is “delusional”… especially since it only looks at a 14 game stretch… is just silly.

by fsuapollo on Jul 16, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look, the Cubs have the horses to make this next half interesting

.. the problem is that the horses have to start pulling the wagon .. and they haven’t done so well all season long.

Talking about “miracles” after two games gets pretty old. Let’s wait and see. That’s all I’m saying.

It’s pointless to start thinking about a miraculous stretch until we start seeing verifiable proof that the old blue mares start becoming frigging Clydesdales.

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Jul 16, 2010 9:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Did you start that post by saying "Look"?

You’ve been hanging around Lou Piniella too long, methinks.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 16, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

but the wagon is getting lighter

so many have jumped off the bandwagon, maybe the horses can pull it now

Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue

by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 16, 2010 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

right to the WS! :)

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jul 16, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aren't you the twirl guy?

The Cubs can twirl their way to the division! I’m in selling mode right now, but if the Cubs and sell and win, it would be great.

"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon

by Cubbiegoon on Jul 17, 2010 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cubs and sell…

"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon

by Cubbiegoon on Jul 17, 2010 1:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

coolio and I are now 4-1

when we twirl before a Cubs game

better play then the Cubs I think .. and if I can help the Cubs by twirling some nice lady Cubs fan, bring it on!

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Jul 17, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, BCB...

I realized I hadn’t checked in here in a while, and hoped it would be different, but alas… Someone posts something optimistic and half the posters tear it down with more gloom and doom. NBF encourages the optimism and he’s made fun of. Typical BCB…

Good to see things haven’t changed a bit.

Chicagoan in the Lou.

by Mike Martin on Jul 16, 2010 9:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Very true

But these two wins looked better than most of the other wins all season.

by ak123 on Jul 16, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly the point.

Let’s hope it means seven or more in a row is coming.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 17, 2010 6:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

just trying to start

a happier discussion that if we were in it who would you trade for…just tried to add some story to it…something to put in the bank for the next fanpost

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by hansman1982 on Jul 17, 2010 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nothin wrong with that hansman!

Improbable shouldn’t mean derision. Keep it up.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 17, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

unfortunately ...

your timing was bad, considering what happened on Saturday afternoon.

by elgato on Jul 18, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I saw a stat the other day that said...

When a team gets a quality start, they win 70% of the time. The Cubs do lead baseball in quality starts, the bats have been the problem as we all know. That seems to be improving with every game. Soriano has been much better than he gets credit for, Rami is smoking hot, and Lee always finishes strong…just last year he was NL player of the month in September.

You could make and argument that the teams ahead of the Cubs actually have more flaws than the Cubs… The Reds have two rookies in their rotation with very little minor league experience much less Major league experience, they are bound to hit a wall. The Cards need more starting pitching, and their bullpen isn’t very good. I know the Cubs bullpen was bad early, but it has gotten much better.

there’s still a lot of games to play with the Reds and Cards, and I think there’s reason to be optimistic!

by wfree0104 on Jul 16, 2010 10:48 PM CDT reply actions  

I credit Howry for Cubs bullpen

Call him horrible, or a bum or having no place on the team but his veteran presence was something missing the first 2 1/2 months. The bullpen felt too young and inexperienced. Howry has always been known as a good clubhouse guy and I think he deserves some credit for helping mentor these guys.

by ak123 on Jul 16, 2010 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

See that's what I'm talkin about.

I doubt my hopes that we can put together a string of winning series with this year’s team is realistic at all, but why rain on a parade. After all, we hopefully are Cub fans here.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 17, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

And

at least such a scenario, not matter how remote, might restore some respectability back to our cubs! Hey, SET. I been busy at work, so seldom posting…

on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown

by jeffstorm2 on Jul 17, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Morning Jeff.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 17, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

If this team can beat...

Cole Hamels on Sat. and Doc on Sun. night, then I’d say we’re rolling. Tough task. Would settle for 1out of 2 for sure.

Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?

Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.

Any more questions ?

by Easy Ed on Jul 16, 2010 11:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, that's very true.

With those two guys going against us, no matter what the state of the Phillies offense is, I’d still say we are rolling taking one of two.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 17, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

One further thing.

As tough as those two are, if this team is to win with any consistency this season…they will have to beat pitchers like this.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 17, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Phillies are...

… 9-9 in games started by Hamels, and 11-8 in games started by Halladay.

They are hardly invincible, based on that.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 17, 2010 6:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

At minimum

I just want to watch better baseball.

Go Cubs!

by wild bill on Jul 17, 2010 7:59 AM CDT reply actions  

OT

In the Orioles line up yesterday you would find four ex Cubs. Kind of funny. Pie, Patterson, Moore and Cesar I.

Go Cubs!

by wild bill on Jul 17, 2010 8:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Believe or leave.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jul 17, 2010 8:24 AM CDT reply actions  

would love

to see another 2007 style miracle by running down the reds.

by NOMAR on Jul 17, 2010 8:28 AM CDT reply actions  

I believe it can happen .. with the emphasis on the word CAN

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Jul 17, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I say we trade Castro and get a good left handed power bat.

United we stand and united we'll fall......down on our knees the day we win it all!

by Bricks and Ivy on Jul 17, 2010 8:41 AM CDT reply actions  

It's an old adage but it's true:

you can only control what you do. Our boys can’t worry themselves over what the Reds and Cards do, only the games they play. Let the chips fall where they may, but don’t concern yourself with them.

Hope springs eternal: Cubs in 2010!

by neverAcquiesce on Jul 17, 2010 9:25 AM CDT reply actions  

This is what being a Cubs fan is all about

Any sign that the team is jelling is cause for optimism. Before the break, they showed signs of life, and also signs they forgot what they learned when they played well the previous game. Thing is, the pitching has been there all season. As Piniella has said, if the team starts hitting, they’ll be fine. Well, it might be the team has started to hit. Ramirez has resumed his little mini-resurgence that began before the break. All teams feed off things like that. It’s only two games, but it’s against the Phillies, not the Astros or Pirates. If they can shed a contract like Fukudome’s or Theriot’s for someuseable players, that’s not a fire sale, that’s re-positioning for the stretch run. I, for one, still hold out hope they can make it a race.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jul 17, 2010 9:38 AM CDT reply actions  

The Cubs have no business being buyers

regardless of what happens between now and the end of the month. This team might be good enough to put together a hot streak, but it is not good enough to be legit contenders.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Jul 17, 2010 9:54 AM CDT reply actions  

I haven't seen anybody even suggest that was possible

At the most, people here have been talking about selling or not selling.

"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk

by vonde6 on Jul 17, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Go back and read the last sentence of the original post by hansman

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Jul 18, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I believe in miracles.
 or in other words
I believe in miracles.

"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Jul 17, 2010 10:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Welcome back to earth Cubbies

I really do hate when they do this in the 9th inning on a nice Saturday afternoon.

My fault for investing 3 hours I guess!

by ak123 on Jul 17, 2010 2:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Yep

Sellers we are.

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jul 17, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

And that game decided it?

If they win Sunday, then what, they aren’t sellers again?

I’m not trying to argue with you, AV, just pointing out how emotional fans get sometimes. I’ll leave the buy/sell decisions up to the people who know better than me.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 17, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

Going back & forth based on one game? Nonsense. Let’s see where the Cubs are in two weeks.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 17, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or on that same note...

…they had a shot at contention just because they won two games after the AS break? All I see is more of the same. I’m not really being emotional here, but more resigned to what I’ve known since April.

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jul 17, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who said that?

I think most people here know climbing back into it is not likely but not impossible, either.

Al’s right. Let’s see where everybody stands in a few weeks.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 17, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I cetaintly dont think so

considering I thought of this while listening to the 2nd inning of the 1st game of the ASB as a what-if type deal

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by hansman1982 on Jul 18, 2010 6:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

1st game after

not of…

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by hansman1982 on Jul 18, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Being sellers on Theriot and Nady is a free shot

Won’t impede the team at all and might improve it with replacements from Des Moines. At this point, Lee won’t get enought to be worth the effort and maybe they should keep Lilly, too.

But I don’t want them to be buyers, especially if that means taking on more salary commitments in future years. Roy Oswalt – no thanks. But if Hendry wanted to improve 2B by shipping Zambrano and cash in 2012 to the Mets for Perez and Castillo, that migh be OK…

by ClarkFan on Jul 17, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed on Theriot and Nady, but...

… you may not have any takers for Theriot.

Nady, I hear the Rangers are still interested.

I’d like to see Z shipped just about anywhere.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 17, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cubs won't have to worry about Z.

Like I said before, the anger therapy worked and Z is retiring to join the peace corps

A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.

by mikegncb34 on Jul 17, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Getting rid of Theriot is addition by subtraction

I used it like and defend the guy, but mentally he’s checked out and regressed. He contributes to more losses than any player on the Cubs in recent memory with his mental mistakes.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jul 17, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ummmm Theriot would have won the game for us

The squeeze play was perfected by Castro and Theriot. Granted it didn’t matter at the end….

I feel it’s not that he’s causing losses but rather he’s just not contributing to as many wins as he once did.

by ak123 on Jul 18, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I look at it differently

Today, for the first time in a month I was actually excited to watch the Cubs. I was invested in seeing them win against the Phillies. I thought we had a 1-0 victory yet in the back of my mind I thought “will this be a Marmol breakdown day”. I don’t know why, I just had a gut feeling.

Sure enough he did. I can’t put all the blame on him though. Soto should have made the final out. But it didn’t happen.

Sorry, but on beautiful weekends I can’t sit in my room blasting the AC and watch the Cubs. There are too many other things I should be doing.

by ak123 on Jul 17, 2010 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

ack

every day could be a Marmol melt down day – hell he doesnt record an out until he walks em loaded…

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by hansman1982 on Jul 18, 2010 6:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very true

But sometimes I get a gut feeling when we close games. I’ve had them ever since Dempster closed. Yesterday was one of those days.

by ak123 on Jul 18, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

After today, no.

A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.

by mikegncb34 on Jul 17, 2010 5:12 PM CDT reply actions  

With THIS year's team?

No.

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Jul 18, 2010 7:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Yesterday's loss ...

killed the one thing that was giving me hope — momentum. The Cubs seem more prone to momentum swings than other teams, especially this year. A big win with a key play at the plate to end the game could have really sparked something interesting.

Now … I expect a loss tonight to Halladay and more of what we’ve seen all season going forward.

by elgato on Jul 18, 2010 11:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Why do you "expect" a loss to Halladay?

The Phillies are only 11-8 in his 19 starts. Someone’s beating him — and the Phillies bullpen is awful, which is why he keeps throwing eight, nine innings every time out.

Get to him early and you’ll beat him.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 18, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, for one thing, he's still Roy Halladay.

And for another, the Cubs don’t seem to be a team that bounces back easily. My guess is that they’ll be in the doldrums after yesterday.

by elgato on Jul 18, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

C'mon, NBF.

You know exactly what I’m talking about.. This Cubs team has not shown any inclination to bounce back after tough losses for almost two years.

This team has found more ways to lose than it’s found to win since the end of the 2008 regular season. Then, this year, the early-season bullpen failures got the Cubs into a rut that was accentuated by the terrible first halves from Aramis and Lee. That’s why we were 10 games under at the break.

But then, somehow, the Cubs looked like a different team for two games. Had Soto hung onto the ball yesterday, a winning streak might have started. The Cubs were finally building some momentum and some confidence.

I think anything that was gained on Thursday and Friday was lost on Saturday. I might not be a psychologist, but I’ve been watching this team religiously for most of my life. And one thing that is constant is that when things start to go bad with the Cubs, they don’t bounce back quickly. I challenge you to prove many examples to the contrary.

by elgato on Jul 18, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

In general, I would agree with you about "not bouncing back".

So this game will be a good test of your theory.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 18, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

'I've been watching this team religiously for most of my life'

and it’s always been the same way.

Further proof, perhaps, that this franchise might be hopeless?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 18, 2010 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say that.

I think the best hope for the next nucleus is to win in their first year they reach the postseason. The 2003 failure haunted the 2004 team, and the failure of 2004 led to drastic and unsuccessful restructuring in 2005 and a flameout in 2006. The Cubs came close to following that pattern in the Lou years (with some variation).

The next time the Cubs reach the postseason (my guess would be 2012 or 2013) we need to hope for a championship that year. Otherwise, I think the nucleus could return the next season and fail again. It is a pattern we’ve seen twice in eight years.

by elgato on Jul 18, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm very anxious to see how they do tonight.

90% of me totally agrees with elgato and the other half is saying they played well yesterday until the 9th-maybe they will play well again today.

"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes

by katie casey on Jul 18, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

But did they really play well?

Wells matched Hamels — but he did so with the help of a lot of bad baserunning by the Phillies. And the offense only scored 1 run.

I’m not saying they played badly yesterday, and I think if they had won, the Cubs might have relaxed and not felt like they had to have a great game to win. Now, I think the team will press even more against a really good pitcher.

Hence my lack of optimism.

by elgato on Jul 18, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

They did play well until the 9th.

They weren’t striking out constantly, they seemed to be taking a good approach over all…until the 9th.

But I completely agree with the rest of what you are saying. There is a strong possibility they will be thinking of yesterday and pressing tonight. Not a good recipe for beating Halladay. I sure hope they don’t, and agree they frequently have done that this year.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 18, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough.

I was only halfway watching the game.

by elgato on Jul 18, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

since the Cubs bounced back impressively last night

against Halladay,I anxiously await your next “prediction” for the Cubs.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Jul 19, 2010 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

how did your prediction work out?

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Jul 19, 2010 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Simply put

When watching the Cubs play turns into being chore rather than being fun….I have a problem.

by ak123 on Jul 18, 2010 2:23 PM CDT reply actions  

optimism

and yet they BEAT Halladay…rather easily. if the cubs can make up 1 game a week…..

by billy26 on Jul 18, 2010 10:31 PM CDT reply actions  

No

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 19, 2010 9:04 AM CDT reply actions  

LOL

God you made me laugh. You missed the part where anyone believing eats paste and should die though.

Shut Up Joe Morgan

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

We're not going to see a miracle ..

.. if the Cubs played like they did on the last game with the Astros.

That Wednesday afternoon truly was the season in microcosm. They follow the Failbook to a T

Rotation delivers, holds the opposing team back to within striking distance. CK!

Cubs get RISP, no clutch hits. CK!

Perpetuate the slogging to late/extra innings. CK!

Bullpen called on, fails to deliver and gives up the go ahead . CK!

Rallies die on the vine .. CK!

I have said this here .. miracles are impossible to believe in without series wins. We should have won the Astros series. We saw 2010 Cub suckitude not so much by defeat but by fumbled failure.

If the Cubs can somehow take the series from the Cards and win the next couple of them BACK TO BACK .. I’ll get back on the horse, drink the Blue koolaid and contemplate paying big bucks to drive to Cincy and watch them next month.

But we’re going to need a lot of the “The Enemy Of My Enemy Is My Friend” bullcrap baseball reliance from the rest of the league to squeak in. It’s terrible to see how the Cubs have the potential to take their destiny back into their hands and instead shoot their feet off …

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

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