Carlos Zambrano To Pitch For Iowa Tuesday Or Wednesday
by Al Yellon on Jul 18, 2010 6:45 AM CDT
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PrintThere isn't much more information right now than this, but the Des Moines Register reports Z will be with the Iowa Cubs starting Tuesday:
Carlos Zambrano will start his minor league rehab in Des Moines, Iowa Cubs officials said Saturday.
He is expected to be with the team during Tuesday’s doubleheader against Oklahoma City that starts at 5 p.m. at Principal Park. Whether he pitches Tuesday, or during Wednesday’s 7 p.m. game, also at Principal Park, is uncertain.
One more web link, from KCCI-TV in Des Moines, has the same information.
Neither article says whether he'll start or not, although that's a logical assumption. Nor does either article say if he'll make more than one appearance.
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If Lilly is traded, does Zambrano go straight back into the rotation,
or does someone like James Russell takes his place for a spot start? (not saying that he would)
by braziliancubsfan on Jul 18, 2010 7:40 AM CDT reply actions
probably
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jul 18, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
For their own safety, the iCubs are issuing the following to all players in the field and the dugout for Carlos's games:
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
just kiss
and make up.he can still help the team. shop him during the winter if you cant get past it.
it will be interesting to see/hear
What interaction and coaching Sandberg does with him.
by cozmotaylor123 on Jul 18, 2010 8:28 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Hadn't thought of that angle.
But you’re right.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
that will be VERY interesting discussion
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
Yep... Ryno
May be pulling the ambassador move, to get him in the right mindset for next year.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
He might tell him....
“You, get your head out of your fat ass or you will pitch long relief all next year when I am in charge!”
ahhhh
the Cub Fan “love” for Z is showing in so many comments lately…
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
great observation!
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
this is a chance for Sandberg as much as it is for Zambrano IMHO
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
will also be interesting to see
If ticket sales go up. For wood and prior and D lee they were sellouts.
Z is a former I cub and his pictures are up all over in the clubhouse and concourse.
by cozmotaylor123 on Jul 18, 2010 8:39 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I wouldn't walk
across the street to watch him pitch.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
This could be good
Keep him there until he starts having fun on the field again.
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
Hopefully, a directive ordering
all boom boxes, plumbing and Gatorade machines to be fully enclosed in titanium crash cages will be issued ASAP
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
Hey Cubnatl
Tho we joke about it, in a serious vien, its kinda “spooky”. Why should professional ball players have to “work in fear”? Carlos a big boy… There’s no doubt in my mind, had he not been stopped, an “ugly confrontation” with Lee (who has 4-5" on him), was about to actually happen.
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Actually Lee and Zambrano are about the same size height wise and Z has a good 30 pounds on Lee. I’d put money on Z in a fight.
Formerly known as cubstoseriesby100. Thanks Al for letting me change my outdated screenname.
by puckishcubsfan on Jul 18, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
frankly, most MLB players aren't pansy waists ..
and of course DLee would have had his lunch, I think. He’s taller, bigger reach, and potentially has more ability to knock Z silly, let alone cleaning his clock. Like LCDR Montgomery Scott said “ye can’t change the laws of physics.”
I wouldn’t ever pretend to speak for them, but I’d say that in a pro baseball team, especially in a minor league team, the field’s pretty darn level when it comes to people looking eye to eye at each other and saying what they mean. They’re all young, robust, strong young men who won’t take crap easily and who won’t mind dealing with elitist malcontents on the spot and not wait for the learned intervention of coaches.
Therefore, Z’s anger management better be operative. I think they’ll japslap him silly if he causes any static, and that’s before Ryno gets there.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
Zambrano should be our pinch hitter and nothing more.
It’s too early for him to wheel his crazy wagon back into the clubhouse.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 18, 2010 9:44 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I did a GIS for crazy wagon
This is the best thing that came up:
OT: Listening to American Top 40 from July, ‘71. My word, the American populace’s taste stunk back then. I’ve heard maybe 6 legitimately good songs that deserve to still be played today (including “Draggin’ the Line” by Tommy James), and the other 33 tracks have been crap. Can’t wait to see what cringe-inducing single topped the charts.
Hippies have an awful lot to answer for.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
July '71 wasn't really "hippie era" music.
Try 1967 or 1968 instead.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The fall-out is evident
It’s definitely music made by and for people who were under the influence of something and had been for a good long time. I can see why disco became popular – it may have been air-headed, but at least it was fun to listen and dance to.
Carole King’s “It’s Too Late” was #1, BTW. A throw-away track from the inexplicably popular “Tapestry” album. Ugh.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I never understood its popularity either....
It makes me think of San Francisco, hippies, and pot.
And turning the station!
San Francisco, hippies and pot?
Who are you, Spiro Agnew?
Not much hippies listened to made it to the top 40 charts.
And Clutch, you must have missed the disco era either because you were too old or too young. If you wanted to meet some people under the influence of something, you went to a disco. The fact that crappy 35 year old disco songs keep being shoved down kids’ throats in cartoons and movies today is truly awful. It should have been allowed to die and decompose.
All the music of that era makes me think of the stupid hippies and pot.
And San Fran seemed to be home of alot of it. As a matter of fact if I was an stoner hippe now, that seems like the place to go today.
LOL
I love the Agnew comment. I agree on the hippie music. The San Fran hippie crowd was into much harder, more psychedelic stuff. Think Jefferson Airplane, Grateful Dead, Janis Joplin plus lesser known groups like Moby Grape.
San Francisco
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
I was born in '58
most “hippy stuff” is a vague memory… i sorta recall the “fall of the Hippies”
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
nope, it's not.
but i recall the “jealousy of youth” over the lifestyle! :]
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
That wasn't my point though
I was agreeing on the Carole King comment. She doesn’t remind me of San Fran hippies. She is more NY Greenwich Village. In fact her background was as a New York early 60’s pop/rock/R&B songwriter.
point taken
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Carole King was no hippie that's for sure
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
I love all of those groups
And their lesser-known contemporaries from across the Bay, Credence Clearwater Revival (not more obscure in and of themselves, just the knowledge that they were part of that whole scene).
That’s the thing – the crap they were playing, 70’s soft rock (thanks, TJ) was directly influenced by the other coast. Essentially, they took all the good ideas that folk musicians in Greenwich Village were turning out, stripped out the anger and relevance, and puked it out over the airwaves. This was the egg from which “anti-rock” hatched, and it spawned all sorts of soul-destroying “music” before punk was finally able to put a few nails in its coffin.
And Al, I’m too young to have made it to any discos in the 70s, but from everything I’ve seen and read, the drugs were not the same as the ones I’m accusing these schmoes of imbibing. I’m no fan of disco music – there are some standout tracks, but the vast majority of it is utter dreck. But I can see where if my only choices were another god-awful keening Carpenters song and Hot Chocolate, I’d be shaking my ass to “You Sexy Thing” every single time.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
No disagreement
There was a lot of crappy 70’s soft rock around. It still exists today though but it’s called Hot 40 country.
I'd choose "neither".
Early to mid 70’s music was pretty awful, though.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Carpenters or Hot Chocolate, choose your poison...
…Although that riff from “Everyone’s a Winner” is some groove.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
TJ11 is not a crook... No, wait that was Nixon.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
I think 70's soft rock is AMAZING!!!
I bet Lou likes it too! It’s easy to fall asleep to!
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
Somehow, I see Lou as big Hall & Oates fan
I’m not sure why.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Ramones, CBGB's, the Grateful Dead, the San Francisco Sound = mostly good.
Donna Summer, The Bee Gees, Chic = mostly mist.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Seconded
Although Andy Gibb’s voice is an abomination unto man, their songwriting chops were unparalleled at the time. They wrote about 1/3 of all listenable popular music between 1970 and 1975.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
While a lot of music in the early 70's was, in fact, unlistenable...
… I don’t agree with your contention.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I could never stand them as a band.
The world would very bland if we all liked and disliked the same things.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
I loved Alice Cooper as a 14 year old and still like a lot of his songs
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
His anthem to egocentric male teenage angst is the hymn of a typical Cubs season:
Welcome to my nightmare.
Welcome to my breakdown.
I hope I didn’t scare you.
That’s just the way we are
When we come down.
We sweat, laugh and scream here,
Cuz life is just a dream here.
You know inside you
Feel right at home
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
I for one
would like to see the end of Big Z in a cubs uniform. In baseball, “3 strikes & you’re out”!, Carlos has had his 3 and then some! Hes gettin “Ace $$$”, but doesn’t have the numbers to back it up. I don’t ever see a 20 W season! Heck, lookin at last 2 yrs, we’d be lucky if he wins 15! He is one of the perfect examples of Jim H bad contracts.
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
So if Z blows up in the first inning or he pitched like crap can he just stay down there as long as allowed?
Or does Gorzalanny go right back to the pen on Z’s next start?
define
“blows up” please? :]
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Literally Laughing Out Loud!!!
“Throws a minor leaguer into stands!?!?” Hilarious! Keep him away from Darby…we don’t need to take any chances!
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
While The Players Union would never agree
I’m all for a player, thru foolish actions, being held accountable for them and “voiding his remaing contract/monies”. We are in deep with Z… remember the NBA player with the gun in clubhouse? I think he voided his (?)
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
gotta run TJ
I was just checkin in… sorry if i offended you yesterday… i didn’t catch your “subtle sarcasm”…I’m kinda new here and still “figuring out all the people”, that was 1st time I recall seeing you. Have a fantastic day! (damn, its hot in chicago area!) Maybe seeya during game?
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Your lack of offense is offending and downright offensive.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Lou?
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Check
Poor play is one thing.. But off the field turmoil is certainly another. I cant believe that language could not be put into contracts to avoid this sort of thing. I am sure there is some to a lesser degree in these contracts now but it doesent seem very effective. BTW Does anyone have any insight into the insuring of contracts? Is this done and does it lessen the blow of a failed deal? Curious.
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Jul 18, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
But Gilbert Arenas is still a Wizard and will be next year unless he and John Wall don’t gel. Which tells of the power of these players unions; teams not even trying to get out of bad contracts like his, which is similar to Z’s I believe, because they know they’ll fail, despite his blatant disregard for the law.
by mr_einstein on Jul 18, 2010 11:02 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Just imagine how many contracts
would be voided for cause if each team had the option. Every guy who was in an extended slump would be thrown away because he missed a meeting or his hair was unkempt. Here in Texas anyone can be fired for any reason, or actually no reason at all.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Every guy who was in an extended slump would be thrown away because he missed a meeting or his hair was unkempt.
That’s a little over-the-top, isn’t it? There’s a middle ground between that and the current situation, which is that players get paid no matter how bad their behavior is.
That’s where sports has to go, or they will eventually go bankrupt.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
always makes me wonder
why there is a good samaritan clause in a contract, yet never used
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
Thanks Al
you made my point. I, of course, was referring to “abnormal behavior”, not tardiness, hairstyle, slumping or being a “poor team-mate”. Only serious issues were my intent. I feel Carlos may be causing undue hardships on players surrounding him. I wouldn’t like to work in that environment.
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Sometimes there is a middle ground
and I fully subscribe to that approach. However, I was acting as devil’s advocate in suggesting what could happen without any limitation. As I pointed out, in Texas, the laws are so anti worker that no cause is required to get rid of people.
Can anyone suggest fairness from the owners if they had no contract to uphold?
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
No, probably not.
Again, the pendulum has tilted too far toward the players — and this coming from a union member. I don’t think the current MLBPA members have any idea what it really means to be abused by an employer.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
No question that the pendulum
is squarely on the players side. But the owners brought the original hard line on themselves when Marvin Miller tried to address players inability to get fairness. Since them the owners have been able to pass on the added contract costs to the public so it hasn’t been an issue worth locking out the players.
Until either side feels their inequity is unacceptable, I don’t expect much change in the basic contract. Perhaps a removal of Taft-Hartley might spark a war, but right now both sides are fat, dumb and happy.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
But the owners brought the original hard line on themselves when Marvin Miller tried to address players inability to get fairness.
Correct. If they’d have listened to Charlie Finley they’d have been in much better shape.
Since then the owners have been able to pass on the added contract costs to the public so it hasn’t been an issue worth locking out the players.
True — up to now. I wonder if this will still be the case when the next national TV deal is up for negotiations. The TV networks don’t have the billions they once did.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
in the NBA
you have to be convicted of a felony to have your contract voided. In the NFL the contracts are a lot looser and can be voided for more nebulous reasons like conduct unbecoming. I’m sure the MLB contracts are just about iron clad, and Zs actions were much closer to the “conduct unbecoming” category than any illegal actions. The MLB union would laugh at a team that tried to get out of a contract for bad behavior.
DEJESUS!!!
wisely so!
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Carlos Zambrano to pitch for Iowa:
Followed shortly by an ineffective outing, subsequent mental breakdown, and clubhouse brawl.
Jeff from Cleveland wrote- I've figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school. Wade: 3 years at Marquette, Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech, the kid from Akron: no college. The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.
With Jeff Samardzija
“My contract is more useless!” “No, mine is!” “Mine!” (slap-fight ensues, with both parties only using their left hands)
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Stop....
just stop already (said in a flimsy accent)!
Jeff from Cleveland wrote- I've figured out the moral of the story: Stay in school. Wade: 3 years at Marquette, Bosh: 1 year at Georgia Tech, the kid from Akron: no college. The most educated guy convinced his dumber friends to come play on his team for less money.
scary thought
will samardzja get lilys spot when he is traded.
Zambrano
Like every Cub fan I hope he comes back and does well. If someone is rooting against him they have never been a Cubs fan. Sorry simple as that. And I really question what kind of people they are honestly rooting for someone to fail and have bad things happen to them. Someone who has never done anything to you or your family.
If you blame him for the Cubs problems now you have to give him all the credit for the winning teams he was a part of.
Another thing that really bothers me is there is a good chance he does actually have some serious mental problems and the nasty stuff people say here and elsewhere has gone really beyond decency.
Would you make fun of someone who broke their leg and it was affecting their ability to perform on the field?
Mental illness is a lot harder to admit, to diagnose and to treat and to pinpoint. You put a cast on a leg, send a bad elbow in for surgery etc. and it’s done and easy and when the clear X ray comes back you know it’s cleared.
When it’s a mental issue it’s a lot harder to admit, a lot harder to diagnose and a lot harder to cure.
Formerly known as cubstoseriesby100. Thanks Al for letting me change my outdated screenname.
Like every Cub fan I hope he comes back and does well. If someone is rooting against him they have never been a Cubs fan.
Not every Cubs fan is hoping he comes back. Personally, I think he’s done here and I’d like him to move on.
Again, you confuse that position with “rooting against him”. I am not doing that. I just don’t want him to be a Cub any more.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I wouldn't mind him returning if he plays well and behaves. I doubt that will happen.
On a purely human level, I wish him a speedy recovery and all the best, where ever he ends up.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
If he can keep his crap corked up, his mouth shut
and pitch like he’s obviously proven he can, I want him back – and if worse comes to worse, he’s got to show some pitching success if the Cubs want to move him ANYWAY.
So the Z haters and dissers have got to root for him. Otherwise, what value will he bring for the Cubs .. one way or the other?
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
I am not rooting against him I'm just
not rooting for him. I am a Cub fan who has grown tired of his act and it is as simple as that.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Z is Rick Reuschel without the emotional maturity...
…Is there any doubt that if the Cubs cut him loose, he’ll resurface somewhere in the NL, fastball and slider back up in the 90’s, to cause us problems for the next decade. Sure he’s been unproductive for a year and a half, but that may not be entirely his fault. He’s in his prime, and the shock therapy of the suspension and a minor league assignment under Ryno, in what surely is his last chance here, may either give us the return of the old Z, or at least a tradeable commodity this winter.
"Elder White! Look at the talent on those Cubs!" Harry Caray, KMOX Radio, 4/22/62
"And you have to wonder – What's the matter with Broglio?" Harry, KMOX, 5/24/64
This is getting goofy
Comparing having a verbal spat with a teammate to carrying a gun into the clubhouse?
Yelling at his teammmates is criminal?
I’m not saying either is right it certainly isn’t but remember when you read and hear anything in the Chicago media they have their buddies on the team and it’s obvious who they hate and who they like by their writing and that shouldn’t be the case.
Formerly known as cubstoseriesby100. Thanks Al for letting me change my outdated screenname.
No one is saying
that yelling at teammates is criminal. And frankly, the mental illness issue is unlikely. Who of us hasn’t known someone, at some point, with a quick temper, immature behavior and poor controls. The difference is that most of these people learn how to reel it in when they enter the workplace or they find themselves jobless. This is called maturing.
Not so in professional sports. If someone in the office took a hammer to the water cooler or screamed and ranted at their co-workers his behavior would be labeled outrageous, unacceptable and he would likely lose his job .. But In sports, it’s labeled firery, competitive. And while the individual is always responsible for his behavior in professional sports it is certainly enabled.
And that’s the problem I have right now with the Cubs and Z. He has demonstrated out of control behavior many times with no consequences. And now the Cubs should be surprised that it’s continued? Now Z is a pariah and the Cubs are justified in turning him into one? On the other hand, shouldn’t any employer be held responsible for continuing to allow disruptive and abusive behavior in the workplace? The Cubs should have seriously dealt with this long ago.
As for Z, I am ready to see him go and this does not make me less a fan.. I’m tired of his circus act on the mound and his implosions at any moment. I wish him well, I just wish him gone.
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