Soriano, Soto Homers Help Cubs Pummel Phillies 11-6
by Al Yellon on Jul 19, 2010 7:30 AM CDT
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PrintTry to think of it this way. If someone had told you last Wednesday that the Cubs were going to take three of four from the Phillies, you'd have been pretty happy, right? (Well, except for some of you who want the Cubs to "blow it up", I suppose.)
That's exactly what they did, and instead, now we feel some mild disappointment because the Cubs came within one dropped throw of a four-game sweep.
So let's keep looking at the good. The Cubs beat the Phillies 11-6 Sunday night, their second blowout win of the series -- although again, a sloppy ninth inning made the score closer than it should have. James Russell gave up a pair of solo homers, one to Ryan Howard, who wound up with four on the weekend. Everyone except Aramis Ramirez and Ryan Theriot reached base and scored -- and that's everyone including pitcher Tom Gorzelanny, who surprised himself with a single up the middle off Roy Halladay, and also the nearly-forgotten Jeff Baker (who hasn't started a game since July 1), who came into the game in a double switch in the seventh and singled twice. Reliever Andrew Cashner had his first MLB at-bat and struck out, so he didn't join the hit parade, either.
Ramirez had a tough day. He went 0-for-4 and made an error which allowed the Phillies' second run of the fifth inning to score. That made the score 4-2 and made many think, "Uh-oh, here we go again."
But the Cubs answered that with a pair in the sixth and blew it open with a five-run seventh which featured a bases-clearing double from Derrek Lee.
In that sixth inning, Marlon Byrd got hit by a pitch for the second time in the game. Both HBP's were on the first pitch Byrd saw, and this is something Cubs fans have literally not seen in a century. The club record for HBP in a season is 23, by outfielder Bill Dahlen in 1898. The post-1900 record is 17, by Frank Chance in 1905.
The two pitches that hit Byrd last night gave him 16 so far this season -- so the post-1900 record is in imminent danger of being broken. Since 1906 -- when Harry Steinfeldt was hit 14 times -- only one other Cub has had that many before Byrd. Scott Servais was hit 14 times in 1996.
It's not as if Byrd usually is a HBP machine, either -- some players, like Craig Biggio and Jason Kendall (the current active leader with 252), make a career out of it -- his previous season high, last year, was 10, and his lifetime total of 62 ranks 49th on the active-player list.
The two last night were important, though -- both preceded home runs, the first by Geovany Soto to the opposite field, the second a no-doubt-about-it-off-the-bat shot from Alfonso Soriano. Byrd scored a third time after walking in the seventh.
Other good things from last night, besides Gorzelanny's fourth straight solid outing since returning to the rotation: Tyler Colvin and Starlin Castro, hitting 1-2 in the lineup, had six combined hits and three runs scored between them. Maybe Lou ought to try this combination for a while.
BCB'er Vermont Cubs Fan, depressed after Saturday's loss, decided to join us in the bleachers last night -- safe to say, he had a much better time on Sunday. And both he and BCB'er mrcubsfan said the same thing to me -- that besides the win, the best part of spending a Sunday night at the ballpark was not having to listen to Joe Morgan.
Sounds good to me. Now let's go get those Astros.
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A nice little 7 game win streak and a Phillies bounce back against the Cardinals would be very nice right now.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Sure, give us crap when we had to listen to Morgan all night :P
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
mute button
Use it early and often
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Oh I did
My girlfriend doesn’t know a lick about baseball, and she said “this guy sounds like a moron”, so I showed her the old mute-button trick.
"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella
I had to drink far too much to tune Morgan out last night
I think I’ll just mute the tv next time.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Capt. > Joe?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Loved DeLee's bases-clearing double
ESPN showed the pitch was about a foot and a half inside, but he still pulled it into the gap. Oh yeah, Joe Morgan is still an idiot. He’s just reaaaaaaaaally hard to listen to. No reason why the Cubs can’t sweep the Astros. Make it happen, boys…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
that was one of the most loathesome things I've ever seen
And when Jon Miller bent to kiss it, I murmured out of disgust “You did NOT just do that.”
My cat jumped off the couch. He couldn’t take it either.
LOATHESOME.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
Me too!! I'm so glad that I don't have cable!
by braziliancubsfan on Jul 19, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
so am I
Plus then actually getting a chance to watch a game is a real treat.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Is Jon Miller really worthy of the Ford Frick Award? ...
Maybe it’s the way he shines Morgan’s behind throughout the entire game, but, I really can’t stand him either.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
Think the M and M boys
are bad now . Wait until they get back from Cooperstown . Without Oral to chime in it would be worse . I have no idea how Miller got the Frick Award . But it sure does make you wonder .
Probably
From enunciating names like: Arrramiss Rrrramirrezz.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
I cannot stand it when I hear Miller say "Ahn-droooow Jones".
Jones himself has said he wants it pronounced “Andrew” in American fashion. But no, this doesn’t stop Miller.
And it didn’t stop Joe Buck from pronouncing the Rangers SS name as “Elvis Ahn-drooos”. It’s “Andrus” (rhymes with “Andrew”). That’s how the Rangers PA announcer says it. You’d think Buck would take two seconds to find out.
Why these networks can’t figure out that their own announcers are turning viewers off is beyond me.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The "cheaper to keep her" philosophy, perhaps
I once worked for a boss who was a deadly combination of Al Davis and Meryl Streep’s character from “The Devil Wears Prada”. It always astounded me how the company’s board of directors could retain such a venomous person until a co-worker suggested it was probably easier and safer for the B of D to just hang on to her than to risk the unknown by bringing in a new boss for us. She made sure the trains ran on time for what they were paying her, so she stayed.
So maybe it’s the same mindset that allows Miller and Little Joe and the Midnight Cowboy of Fox to still have jobs. They’re not excellent, but to their employers they safe options that aren’t worth the uncertainty of what they might find seeking someone else.
EPILOGUE: another former co-worker told me a couple weeks ago that the boss suffered some personal difficulties, but she came out of it a new woman. Nicer, more respectful of everyone, and she even stood up to the B of D and refused to let them cut everyone’s salaries.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
I think whoever has the home game for Sunday night baseball...
ESPN should let that teams announcers do the game. Except for Cincy, St. Louis and the Sox.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
Especially the Sox!!
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
Miller is an idiot. That he has any awards astounds me.
I just cringe anytime there is a call about to occur…I cannot stand that fake voice he uses, continuously. SAHHFFFFE! OWWWUT! as if he was suddenly a cartoon dog tv character. Save the drama for moments that actually warrant it Jon, and leave the fake voice at home to please your wife or family or whoever thinks it’s really impressive.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually, I think Miller is a decent announcer
once you strip away all of his affectations (of which there are many, the “authentic” Hispanic pronunciations being the most grating).
Morgan, on the other hand, simply is intolerable, both for what he says and how he says it.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll grant you this much,
There are times I don’t mind listening to Miller when Morgan shuts up. Morgan is definitely worse.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Miller...
…is a terrifc announcer. My opinion of Morgan is a different story.
It’s not easy for an announcer to be liked by local fans when they are doing national games no matter what they do.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Bob Costas is an exception to that.
Wish he’d do more games.
Vin Scully also did a great job on national telecasts when he was doing them for NBC.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Those two...
…are the cream of the crop and they don’t come along very often.
Miller is very good and would be a huge upgrade if he was the TV announcer for either Chicago baseball team.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Either way...
…If Miller replaced either Hawk or Len tomorrow, it would be a giant leap forward for either booth.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I like him more than Hawk...
…but he just doesn’t do a lot for me.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
The de facto cream of the class, if you will
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 19, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
if it had to be a chicago team, be the sox
i dont like miller
by jesus christos on Jul 19, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Bob Costas could talk about me buttering toast.
And it’d be awesome.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
soup you idiot....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
His authentic Hispanic pronunciations aren't as authentic as they could be
He’s from Northern California, born and bred. The accent up there sounds strange to my ear, which is used to the accents from closer to the border.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Regardless of where you're from...
… it sounds like a pretentious affectation, which is exactly what it is.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Him not pronouncing things the way a player wants him to is pretentious
The other times, he’s going by what he knows, which he probably got by hanging out with Hispanic dudes his whole life. I’ve got a bit of an accent when I pronounce Spanish names and phrases, and I certainly don’t apologize for it – it’s the way I learned to say those words from native speakers.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Jon Miller does the TV play-by-play for Giants games
When he’s not working ESPN games. He’s been calling baseball since 1974. Without Morgan around to bring him down, he’s pretty good at what he does.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Well, just the OTA games
Duane Kuiper is the PBP guy for most of the games which are on Comcast Bay Area. Miller works the radio for most Giants games. And he’s very good on the radio. I don’t like him quite as much on TV, but he is much better working with Mike Krukow than Joe Morgan.
People should listen to Miller on the radio to hear how good he can be.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 19, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
He's shining something..
…but I don’t think its Morgan’s behind. Close though….
by Ron Swanson on Jul 19, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
giving the Ford Frick award annually is a joke
every year one announcer goes to Cooperstown, but only 1 or 2 players. This makes no sense, given that each team has 25 players and 4 or so announcers. The award was special the first few years when the legends won it, but now any announcer who works in the majors for 25+ years gets the Frick award. Unless they stop making it an annual award, Thom Brennaman will be there in a decade, which is revolting.
by holy mackeral on Jul 19, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
They should get Morgan to play Sinestro in the upcoming Green Lantern movie
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
"one of the most loathesome things I've ever seen"
Oh god, I second that. And mute didn’t help because they shifted the damn camera to the broadcast booth. Yeesh.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
That's beyond ridiculous.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions
It's beyond baseball
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
That base-clearing double
was cool. He was having a bad day at the plate prior to that and I was starting to think that same “Uh-oh, here we go again” with him as well as Ramirez.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
my favorite was the Werth steal
He said Werth stopped and started again. they showed the replay and he did no such thing but morgan said it again while he was clearly not doing it. amazing.
You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone. - Al Capone
Don't understand
why some of you feel that you have to listen to Morgan. That’s what the mute button is for. If you have access to Pat and Ron-put them on. If not, silence is golden. Just pretend you are at the game and watch without announcers.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 19, 2010 7:58 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Unless you have one of the boxes that syncs up audio...
… there’s a delay between the TV pictures and WGN sound.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Depending on how long-
I actually sort of like the the delay. I know what to look for before it happens and I can learn from it. For example, I’m really a dummy when it comes to distinguishing types of pitches. When they say it’s a sinker or whatever, I can watch and see what they are talking about. That being said, I think I will be buying one of the sports sync radios one of these days.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
If you've got a DVR
All you need to do is push the pause button a few seconds to sync the radio with the tv. In my case in San Diego I listen on my iPad.
by Clark Addison on Jul 19, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm EXTREMELY disappointed
that I didn’t think of that.
"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella
usually
Pat and Ron are AHEAD of the TV.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 19, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
not when streaming through At Bat
"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella
Yup
By a good 5-10 seconds.
I was amazing my dad on this past trip by calling exactly what was going to happen on the diamond. It took him a couple of innings to figure out that I only knew what was going to happen because I was running to the fridge and had P&R on the radio upstairs.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I mute him as often as I can.
But since I can’t hear WGN I have no choice to mute and that leaves me with missing parts of the game even so. It’s a lose/lose situation…though I am always thankful I do have a Joe Morgan button on my remote.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice to see a solid win after the heartbreaker Saturday
That kind of loss seems like it could send a team down, but they picked up where they left off Friday. Let’s beat the Stros tonight
"Brant Brown...DROPS THE BALL!!!!"
by cubswgnrocks on Jul 19, 2010 8:02 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, Soto looked like he was trying to make up for Sat.
with that HR.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
He hit that HR
I jumped up from where I was sitting and started clapping, then the boyfriend high fived me. After Saturday game I was surprised to see him start even
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't you think he would have tried to hit a homer
even without the bad play on Saturday?
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 19, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
That was a heartbreaker.
The only reason I was there was because after Saturday’s game, I sent Al a text along the lines of “What do I have to do to see a Cubs win?”
After that, he basically talked me into going to last night’s game.
It was doubly sweet for me. Not only did the four-game losing streak at Cubs games I’d attended (which began last August in San Diego) come to an end, but the Phillies beat the Cubs the day I was born.
Note about Jeff Baker: When he came in, I remarked “Jeff Baker? I almost forgot he was still on the team!”
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Lou forgot he was still on the team.
Wonder who reminded him?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
i said the exact same thing to myself
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
My husband said that too about Baker.
Glad you had a good time at the game. I trust you didn’t have any opportunities to actually use those tomatoes?
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
If I could have reached Derrek Lee
After his second GIDP, I would have used them.
Ah well, he redeemed himself with the 3-run double.
Of course, I could have used them for Theriot too. He hit a groundout to third on one pitch after a home run or some other run-scoring play, and the play happened so quickly that Al didn’t see it happen. So I had to tell him it was a 5-3 groundout.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I looked it up last night
Cubs have hit into 78 DP’s, 2nd most in the NL.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions
The club record for DP in a season is 27.
It was set by Ron Santo in 1973 and tied by D-Lee in 2008. Last year Lee cut his DP down to 12, but the two last night give him 14 this year.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
before last nights game
there was only 2 teams besides the Cubs that over 71.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
gotta hit the ball in the air, guys!
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Theriot
Swings at too many first pitches to hit leadoff. When he hit those 5 home runs in a month last year, he began to think he was Ryne Sandberg. That was the start of his downfall.
by Clark Addison on Jul 19, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Definitely!
Very good point. Most of the season we would have let that loss linger for a few days…that the team came back last night after getting down early against one of the best pitchers in the league…well it doesn’t really say something yet but it sure was nice to see.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
When the score was 4-2
I personally didn’t have the “oh no hear we go again feeling” of course thats because I have complete faith in the boys and I’m still banking on them to make my Cubs win WS bet pay off.
Buttttttt. while listening to those talking heads on ESPN it sure felt like they thought it was inevitable that the Boys in Blue would blow it.
Honestly, if I hadn’t known the score I would have sworn that Philly was leading the game and was poised to sweep.
If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.
They had that bias for sure last night.
Any hit or run scored for the Cubs for awhile was dismissed as a mistake by the Phillies, mistakes they made somehow that we were just lucky enough to take advantage of. Which is irritating given the national audience…but as much as I made fun of it last night, we’ve earned it this year. Miller and Morgan are horrible broadcasters, but our team has had a pattern of self destruction and folding before…it’s hard for me to think we deserved a lot better.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I've never liked Joe Morgan, and I used to be able to deal with Jon Miller.
But after the ring-kissing BS last night I vomited in my mouth a little.
ring kissing....
that sort of reminds me of dealing with someone like the pope.
Orel also won a WS, why didn’t Miller kiss his ring?
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
That made me throwup in my mouth a little.
I suspect Orel is given little respect cause he’s a new guy (I think?) though I don’t watch them enough to know that for sure. Orel is better than Morgan, but the whole thing was awful.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Orel was definitely the most lucid one in there
He had great commentary on the pitching side of things. He seemed to think Lilly’s influence extended to helping Gorzellany learn how to get in on the corner of the plate more, which kind of makes sense.
But the rest of the peanut gallery were a train wreck ..
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
by cubnational on Jul 19, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
I do enjoy a lot of Orel's comments.
It’s a shame he’s being wasted with those two awful broadcasters.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's more Maddux's influence than Lilly's
Gorzelanny mentioned working with Maddux in ST and how great it was to be able to pick his brain. Silva was practically crying over all the help Maddux gave him in ST, too.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
The main reason I went last night
Was to escape listening to Miller/Morgan.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Not sure if that's anti -Cubs bias or pro-Phillies comments
or just the fact that the Phillies are a winning team that is struggling this season. They get the benefit of the doubt, and why not? A WS ring gets you respect. We forget that national broadcasters were kind to the Cubs in the division-winning years.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 19, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been hit pretty hard by softballs before
but I would hate getting hit by just one baseball, so I can’t even imagine what it’s like to get hit by 250+ baseballs. Good win though, so I hope they keep it up.
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Jul 19, 2010 8:05 AM CDT reply actions
Having been plunked by a 90+mph fastball before....
it hurts. And it is still sore the next day.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
Oh, I can imagine it would be sore for awhile.
The softball that I stopped with my face hurt for awhile…
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by Craig in South Bend on Jul 19, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah,
I once tried stopping a hard-hit baseball with my face.
I remember it hitting me, and the next thing I know, my father is reviving me as I’m on the ground.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I had one of those as a kid
Got a brand new cap on a tooth I had already broken. Plus, with the first breath I found out that the nerve in the tooth was stil alive….
Okay, you win.
That must have been extremely painful.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Ha, reminds me of the first curve ball I ever saw...
I really expected it to break … the only thing it broke was my teeth.
I never took a baseball to the face
(A couple in the back of the head, sure…)
My sister managed to take a metal bat to the teeth playing softball once – she instantly became he dentist’s favorite patient.
Worst I ever got was a defender trying to clear a soccer ball out of his box. From about 5 feet away. It whacked off my cheek, knocked out a contact, and staggered me a bit. The epilogue was good though – one of my teammates latched on to it and scored. So I got an assist with my face and a couple of concerned back-pats afterward.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Woah.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jul 19, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
had a beautiful throw from deep center field in my HS days
soar perfectly at me (softball) in the best throw I’d ever had a chance to field (like the Parker to Carter peg in the old NL All Star game from the 70s).
It went through my hands into my face. The next thing I knew, I was seeing the blue sky and saying “hey, this hurts.”
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
by cubnational on Jul 19, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I misplayed an infield fly my freshman year
I settled in underneath it, but it glanced off the webbing of my glove right into my face. The best part – class pictures were the next day, and the stitching from the ball was still visible on my cheek below my black eye.
I never caught fly balls the same after that.
Max missed a fly ball this season in the same manner.
not good.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 19, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes it does...
…and especially depending on where you get hit. I got nailed once right above my left elbow, and it swelled up like a tennis ball and my arm was black and blue for two weeks (all the way down to my fingers) from gravity pulling down the blood.
In 1982, my college team played in a baseball tournament in Holland. We were playing the USA All Star team and I was playing 1st base. Wally Joyner hit a hard ground ball right at me and it hit the spot where the grass meets the dirt and bounced right off the bridge of my nose. Didn’t feel very good but I actually stayed in the game. Joyner was a good guy and was very apolagetic when he was on 1st. Two years later I had had deviated septum surgery and the doc told me my nose had been broken before. It took me awhile, but I finally remembered how it happened.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
if they win on Sat.
I don’t think they win last night…its easy to say they end up with a 4 game sweep…but those just don’t happen all that often,,,except the past few weeks it seems like they have…its baseball..who knows what could have happened.
For what it's worth though
there aren’t as many 4 game series though, so it’s only natural that 4 game sweeps don’t happen that often.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jul 19, 2010 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions
When was the last time the Cubs swept a four-game series?
I think it was the series in Milwaukee in July 2008.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Cubs swept a four-game series in Washington in July 2009, right after the All-Star break.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Oops, forgot about that.
You’re right.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Awesome.
Now let’s sweep the Astros and get into position for the big showdown with St. Louis.
I spoke to some Phillies fans last night.
I was trying to gauge how many of them were continuing on to St. Louis. None of the Phillies fans I spoke to were going, but then again, I didn’t get the chance to talk to many of them.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions
With the way their team has been going...
Not out of it, but hanging in there …it’s a lot to expect them to follow them around the country specially after that 4 game series. Let’s hope they revive themselves down here in the Loo!
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I talked to some on Friday. They were making a weekend of it in Chicago. Many if not most probably took
a long weekend but needed to get back to work or whatever.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Jul 19, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
GO HOTLANTA
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
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Grrrr...
Personal pet peeve of mine. 17 years of listening to that and it gets pretty old.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Those of us who want to reboot the team, are still happy when the Cubs win.
That was another stupid comment from you, something that has been happening more frequently as this year progresses.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
The rancor over this point is too heated at the moment, IMO.
I think the debate right now is over whether the Cubs should focus on the future or this year. But other than the question of what to do with Ted Lilly, I just don’t think there’s much practical difference either way.
Most of the other likely (and reported) trade candidates (Theriot, Nady, Fukudome, Fontenot) aren’t adding much to the current team, and Lee’s poor performance, no-trade protection and big price tag make me think he won’t go anywhere. And I doubt anyone would take Zambrano at the moment.
That leaves Lilly as the only player whose immediate future could hinge on whether the Cubs get back into the race. And even if he’s not traded before July 31, he could be traded in August or he could go through arbitration, resulting in a 1-year deal in 2011 or draft picks.
The Cubs’ improved play can’t be a bad thing. The bad thing would be if the improved play prompted Hendry to a) trade young talent for veterans or b) somehow give Ted Lilly a multiyear deal after the season is over.
This is all correct, except...
… I could still see a two-year deal for Lilly, or a one-year plus a mutual option.
The point is, “blow it up” isn’t really a choice here.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Hmmm.
A 1-year deal with a mutual option, eh? I’d consider doing that. But hell no to a guaranteed second year.
I wouldn't do that either.
See? We CAN agree!
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It happens occasionally, Al. :)
I truly think next year is more promising than is evident right now, which is why I’d be OK with Lilly in 2011. In other words, I see the point and I think the Cubs could be good enough to have a good No. 3 starter like Lilly.
However, I wouldn’t give Lilly a 1-year deal at the expense of a table-setter second baseman or a middle-order bat at first.
I know Lilly and Hendry talked last week
Perhaps Hendry was trying to gauge Lilly’s interest in just such a deal.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
that article I read about this
stated Lilly had no interest in leaving and wanted to stay
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I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
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by cubnational on Jul 19, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
It will all depend...
…on how much teams are willing to give the Cubs for Lilly. We will find out in the next 10 days or so.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I would rather
get a 1-2 order guy at the 2-bag…we are pretty set in the middle of the order – my lineup for next year (using todays roster) would be Castro, Soto, Byrd, Ramirez, Soriano, Colvin, Lee, Baker/Theriot/Fontenot/Does it really matter which one of the three? – and that is moving a good middle of the order bat in Soto to 2…
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by hansman1982 on Jul 19, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
red
Al is right on this one. There are a strong minority here saying that they want the Cubs to lose so they will blow up the team.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
which is a ridiculous thing to wish for ...
because blowing up this team just isn’t possible.
I never said it was everyone, or even a lot of people.
But I have seen it from some here. And elgato is right. You can’t do it, for a number of reasons.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
similar to the discussion
where several people wanted Silva to suck and lose so they could be right and he would be removed from the roster even if it meant him sucking at the Cubs expense during the season…same thing here – people hate Hendry so much that they want the Cubs to lose so that he can be replaced.
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by hansman1982 on Jul 19, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
That's a thing that irks me.
Wanting a player and team to fail so someone can tell you I told you so. Specially before or after a win…yeah they won, but tomorrow X will fail and the Cubs will lose, they always do…where is the payoff in that other than being right. Seems very odd for a real fan of the team.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
These are the same people
who announce trade him, trade that guy, trade this guy, as if this is fantasy baseball.
Just blow it up!! Everything will be better!
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 19, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes indeed...
…it all sounds real good in theory, but the Cubs find themselves in a difficult position in being able to unload expensive contracts without eating dough and taking on garbage contracts that won’t exactly excite Ricketts all too much.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
ya
its super easy for me to sit here and say they need to trade Z and eat $10 mil a year in salary…its not my money…
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you might as well
name who you’re talking about since its a sensitive issue to a number of posters or just avoid the topic altogether (unless stirring the pot is your end goal)
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 19, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
he doesn't want anything sticking to the bottom
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
yeeesh
I meant “there is a strong minority”
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Most definitely
and there has been one all season. Hoping your team doesn’t do well so it can “rebuild” is a strange pathology.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
call it a loud and obnoxious minority
who were jumping off the bridge in April
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
by cubnational on Jul 19, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
If that is even true, and I do not agree there is such a "strong minority"
just because someone believes the team needs to rebuild, does not mean said fan wants the Cubs to lose.
The irony is Al accused me of being snarky a short time ago.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 20, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, to anyone who watched on TV,
Did Joe Morgan mention Banks Boulevard at all?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 8:17 AM CDT reply actions
It was hard to follow ..
between his rambling, self-serving anecdotes about how awesome the Phillies were and how inept the Cubs have been as well as Jon Miller’s wide eyed “Ogosh” following of him.
And after Morgan waved his bling and stayed silent as Hershiser and Miller gawked, I could have lost my pot roast. It was then that Miller went to kiss his ring.
Truly, one of the most abominable things ESPN has ever foisted on helpless humanity.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
Truly, one of the most abominable things ESPN has ever foisted on helpless humanity.
And that’s saying a lot.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Chris Vermin
Is the most abominable thing in ESPN.
by Clark Addison on Jul 19, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Been (slowly) paging through "ESPN: The Uncensored History" by Michael Freeman
He makes the point that whatever Berman’s on-air personality, ESPN keeps him around out of mutual loyalty (he’s been offered huge sums at other places and tuned them down for less money from ESPN) and due to his unprecedented access to pretty much any professional team in the nation. His rolodex is made of pure gold, and any bigwig he gets on the phone is always happy to talk to him.
I had been wondering…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
You should have seen him kiss his ring.
Thank god Hershisher didn’t follow suit. Why those two pander to him is beyond me for sure…thank god I wasn’t eating at the time.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
So why not also do that to Hershisher
He was WS MVP & won WS correct?
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes...Miller should have.
My only theory is Miller has been working with Morgan longer. I don’t follow or watch those idiots enough to know for sure.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Before they brought in a third person into the booth,
It used to be just Miller and Morgan, and Sunday night games used to be almost unlistenable.
I don’t know how I tolerated it when it was just those two, and kept forgetting to hit the mute button.
Also, is anyone else noticing pieces of past comments appearing when you hit the “reply” button?
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Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Hmm haven't seen pieces appearing, no.
And I agree with you, I thought I had seen them without Hershiser but wasn’t sure. He is sort of a buffer to their awfulness. To me it’s still unlistenable but I get what you mean.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Was something on my browser.
A click of “refresh” has fixed it.
Hershiser is with them this year, but last year they had Peter Gammons. I will say this … Hershiser is an improvement over Gammons.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah Gammons can be awful.
He does have knowledge of the game, but spouts so many opinions as seeming facts I have stopped listening to him at all.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw it
It could not have been much more repulsive if he had dropped his trousers and had them kiss his ass.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
I'm really happy Al managed to talk me into going last night.
That would have been too much for me.
I read through the game threads last night, and saw the “Fire Joe Morgan now” sig lines.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Uh, they were actually "Shut up Joe Morgan" sig lines.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Hershiser is good
I would much rather have him as analyst. He was a pitching coach at one time and makes good comments.
Except that it sounded to me that it was Hershiser badmouthing the short alleys in Wrigley Field
after Soto’s HR. I don’t remember the exact exchange between him and Morgan, but Hershiser was going on about windblown homers and how Geo’s would have been a routine out. Morgan wasn’t exactly agreeing with him. Wish I had a recording of it. It sounded odd. I commented on it to my wife, I was so surprised.
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by waiting4cubs on Jul 19, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I missed that discussion
It is true though. Compared to many other parks, Wrigley is actually fairly long down the lines but short in the gaps.
Plus...doesn't the wind blow IN way more than out?
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
Of course it does.
Don’t confuse the ESPN guys with the facts.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Hershiser musta given up a few "wind-aided" homers at Wrigley...
that’s why he was so irritated by Soto’s homer, I bet.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
AND, there are plenty of other ballparks these days where the ball flies out at a faster clip than
Wrigley Field, including Great American ballpark (2.58 per game vs. 1.96 at Wrigley Field). Wrigley Field ranks 7th in the NL according to a site called Hit Tracker.
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by waiting4cubs on Jul 19, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
That's not the way it went down
The discussion was about wind blown help on the Soto HR. Hersheiser claimed the Phillie OF started and then slowed down as he went to the wall suggesting that meant the ball would not have gone out without the wind. Morgan said the OF steadily went back indicating the ball was hit hard. Typical that the ex pitcher took the pitchers excuse and the ex hitter said it was a good shot by the batter,
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
There were some sly comments about whether it was in fact wind aided.
Morgan said something like well we can agree it was maybe wind aided a little har har.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps I have a bad case of second-city complex and get defensive.
Not perhaps. I do. Major Chicago chip on my shoulder, so when Hershiser started to cheapen Geo’s homer perhaps I reacted a bit strongly and took it personally as a dig against Wrigley Field specifically, as opposed to pitchers vs. hitters. I don’t know. But that’s how it sounded to me. And when Morgan didn’t exactly agree, I thought to myself that maybe it was because the Reds’ ballpark has perhaps even a worse rep for cheap homers.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Jul 19, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh it was clear the whole game they were going to
act as though everything the Cubs did positively were gifts or mistakes from the Phills. Thus by the time that homer happened I sure wasn’t surprised. I don’t think you were wrong at all to think they were trying to cheapen Geo’s homer…they had that approach the whole game.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
read the game threads
What burns me is the line ESPN put on Halladay
Superior Conditioning
Superior Strategy
Superior bla bla bla
This was the script for these cads to follow and they did so ad nauseum.
I loved pointing out how the Superiot got owned by the Mediocre and how much I love this game.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
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by cubnational on Jul 19, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
and a fun time to say
“That’s why they have to actually play the games.”
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
I was in the game thread
I saw them fawning over him and praising him continuously through him failing…acting as though the Cubs hitting him was only luck and no skill. They showed a close up of Halladay for almost a minute straight, staring, spitting, staring, spitting as if that was something to watch that long because the discussion was about him. Very odd…it was more worship than admiration.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I read through the game threads when I got back from Wrigley.
Saw all the negative comments about Morgan, in particular. Seems the lightning rod was the World Series ring kissing incident.
In addition to my comment to Al about not having to listen to Joe Morgan, I also wondered aloud in the third inning, if there had been any “Morganisms” yet … then changed it to “Morgasms.”
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
True Wrigley is more neutral
than many people realize. It is easier to hit HR’s in the gaps but you don’t see many cheap HR’s down the lines as in other parks.
Obviously though the wind is big factor when blowing out.
Are the Wrigley Field foul lines still longest in MLB?
I know the true distance of the shortest point, where the walls curve into the “wells” is something like 347.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Jul 19, 2010 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I took that convo a bit differently.
Morgan was joking with Hershiser about the difference between a pitchers point of view and hitters point of view. He was simply making a joke (as a pitcher) that the ball Soto hit was allllll because of the wind, and should’ve just been a long out.
Yes
This exchange was not so bad
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Agreed.
There were a lot worse ones for sure.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
To answer the question - No
Mostly because the Cubs did not hit a HR to left center into the first few rows of the bleachers. Soto’s shot was to right center and they discussed whether it was aided by the wind or not. And Soriano’s was a pull left rocket.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jul 19, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Who was that guy in the dugout calling for steals and bunts and stuff like that?
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
The double steal was awesome
Too bad it was later ruled an error. Still though, that’s amazing heads up baseball played by two of our rookies, and it’s something you just don’t see out of our veterans. If our rooks have this type of hustle, we may just be ok.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jul 19, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions
It wasn't a double steal. The call was correct.
Cashner didn’t break for the plate until AFTER the ball got away from the second baseman covering the Castro steal. If Cashner had broken for the plate on a delayed steal after Castro was on his way to second (on the throw) or even as the ball was arriving at second, then it could (would) have been credited as a double steal.
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LOL. Too many "Killer C"s !
Yes, I meant Colvin. Duh. Need more coffee…
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
I was going off of the description on the radio
and it sounded like a double steal, but still, it’s good heads up baseball.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jul 19, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Woah woah woah...
Were we really able to just put the words “good, steal, heads up baseball, and hustle” in a play about the Cubs?! No, about Cubs BASERUNNING?!
I haven’t seen that in years – carry on!
And what did he do with Lou Piniella?
For some reason the sleeper awoke in this series. Steals, squeezes – you could swear the manager knew he was in the National League.
Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves, folks...
For those of you who are saying ’let’s go sweep the Astros’, we need to remember this I an astros team we have struggled against this year. Take it one game at a time. Win on Monday, win on Tuesday and then let’s talk sweep.
Having said that, the cubs played a great series against Philly, except for the game I was at. Sigh. Anyway, I certainly didn’t expect them to tale 3/4. We’ll see what happens from here on out.
One game at a time (and hope for some help).
Go cubs.
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
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A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
by mikegncb34 on Jul 19, 2010 8:29 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yep...4 good games minus one horrendous inning.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
Indeed.
Let’s hope the Phillies continue to help us by beating St. Louis. Remember, they swept a four-game series at Citizen’s Bank Park against the Cincinnati Reds right before the all-star break.
Starting tonight, they go to St. Louis for a four-game series.
And I’ll be back in the bleachers, same spot, on Wednesday against Houston.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Cards comin' off a 4 game sweep of the Dodgers, if I'm correct...
they finally rest Pujols and the guy who replaced him gets 2 hits and knocks in 3 runs.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
Three-game sweep of the Dodgers.
Let’s hope they used up all their sweeping and winning over the weekend.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Nope...it was 4
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
You're right.
I forgot they also played on Thursday.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I watched that implosion in the 8th and 9th yesterday on KSDK.
unfreakingbelievable. For all those wanting Marmol’s head on Saturday, there’s Broxton giving it up. Gonna trade him too? The only consolation I had for it was watching the replay of Jenks blowing up after…and Hawk calling the game lost for the Sox, the ball thrown into the dugout from the outfield…“Are you BLEEPING kidding me?………………..full minute of silence…”aaand we’ll be back".
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Let me guess.
Hawk did not use the word “Bleeping”, even though it was on the air.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Nope. Watched it twice. He actually said BLEEPING.
I thought he swore and they bleeped it out when Brazil mentioned it happening.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Not being from the Chicago
I’ve never had an opinion on the Sox, boyfriends dad is a huge sox fan and doesn’t fit the sterotype at all.
But I must admit that I do dislike Hawk with a lot. But that isn’t anti sox it’s anti morons.
I’m happy I didn’t hear it
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
My brother's a Sox fan. He defends everything about the Sox like the Cell vs. Wrigley Field.
But even he can’t stand Harrelson.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Jul 19, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
he does like Hawk
but isn’t a Cub hater, so I’d happily take that combo instead of your brothers.
Also he’s in Indiana and we are in WI, so I think that helps also. Neither of us have the opposite teams fans piling it on to us.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
My brother's not a Cub hater. He likes the Cubs, just not as much as the Sox.
And I don’t hate the Sox. I just don’t follow them too closely. But we do debate the merits of the ballparks and other related Cubs vs. Sox things.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Jul 19, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
thats good
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I have a Sox-fan friend who hates Kasper and Brenly
but defends Hawk to the heavens.
I just don’t get it.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
When Harrelson first started broadcasting...
… he was actually quite good, and when he was paired with Tom Paciorek the two were good at discussing strategy.
The last 10-15 years Harrelson has become a caricature of himself. He’s awful. And it’s clear that he and Stone are a shotgun marriage — ever notice how they never seem to actually converse? One talks, then stops, the other one talks. Never talk to each other. Sit far apart in the booth. My impression is that they probably can’t stand each other.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
A lot of people...
…can’t stand Stone and the same is probably true for Hawk (to a lessor degree).
Two people who want the show to be about them, never works out very well.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Wonder if Stone likes Hawk's
constant “Stone Pony” references?
And Al’s right, I’m always struck at how far apart they sit in the booth.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
As much as my Sox fan friends will deride Santo as being a "mascot,"
Hawk is no different. Having said that, I can’t stand Santo in the booth and hope that his broadcasting days are numbered. And that that number is low. I’m sure he’s a great guy and all, but he just doesn’t offer anything to the broadcast. If I was Pat Hughes, I’d take off more than one inning.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 19, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree 100 percent
Ron Santo was a great player, and his life story is inspiring.
But he has no business being in front of a microphone. And poor Pat Hughes has had to broadcast while carrying Santo on his back for years.
Please, Ron, retire and let someone competent sit in that chair.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs won yesterday, right?
And won the series against the Phillies but you guys are talking about the Sox, Sox fans & Ken The Hawk Harrelson?
"Don’t belittle entire fanbases or neighborhoods…simply because they are within proximity to some people who don’t operate (or look) the same way you do." - AndrewJStone 6/29/2010
yes, we can't get enough of the Sox....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Joe Morgan is being talked about far more
So is Miller & Orel. I believe some of this is a discussion about VARIOUS announcers.
Whether the Cubs win or lose we tend to discuss ESPN announcers…
Also if you notice they are also talking about Cub announces
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
The Sox lost pretty badly yesterday.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
If you actually read through the comments,
You will notice many of them are about Jon Miller and Joe Morgan.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
The Crawdad Methond : alt + F + "Sox" + "Hawk" + "Stone"
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
How true.
This comment he just made essentially proves that.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I was wondering what the "we" in his comments was from.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
wait...my bad he said you guys.
Still, he’s definitely looking for something in there to comment about.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
To be fair, it's not all we're talking about
And it was a digression from talking about other terrible announcers. Nobody brought up the Mariners’ team, but I assume that’s due to inexperience.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I also haven't seen any comments about the Nationals' broadcasting team, either.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Were your crawdad senses tingling?
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Cubs fans becoming just like Sox fans?
Al, you’ve told me that Cubs fans are “fixated on the Cubs.” It’s been repeatedly said here, that Cubs fans don’t care about the Sox, don’t talk about them and pay them no attention.
Now this digression into Hawk Harrelson bashing (this hate of The Hawk pops up here very frequently, BTW), how does this square the Cub fans boasts above?
I’m surprised that no Cub fans spoke up with a comment like mine. I mean come on, you say Cubs fans pay no attention to the Sox, especially when the Cubs do well so now when your team wins 3 of 4 in the first post ASG series there is an immediate digression into Sox bashing?
"Don’t belittle entire fanbases or neighborhoods…simply because they are within proximity to some people who don’t operate (or look) the same way you do." - AndrewJStone 6/29/2010
Clearly, reading is not something you're good at.
Most of the comments here are bashing Joe Morgan. I didn’t know he was affiliated with the White Sox. I suppose if we knew that, then we wouldn’t have bashed him.
Seriously, if this is the premise that calls for a Crawdad attack, your act has gotten extremely old. The first person who gets bashed in here, the one bashed in numerous conversations, is Joe Morgan.
I guess showing our dislike for Hawk Harrelson is an “immediate digression into Sox bashing.”
Get over yourself. You have no point whatsoever.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Your problem with reading?
The Cubs won yesterday, right? And won the series against the Phillies but you guys are talking about the Sox, Sox fans & Ken The Hawk Harrelson?
I stand by what I wrote above. The Cubs won yesterday and Cubbie fans are talking about the merits of The Hawk for the umpteenth time? Talk about beating a dead horse…
"Don’t belittle entire fanbases or neighborhoods…simply because they are within proximity to some people who don’t operate (or look) the same way you do." - AndrewJStone 6/29/2010
Why does it matter...
…what Hawk does if you’re a Cubbie fan and if as you claim you never pay any attention to the Sox?
I don’t pay attention to the Mets. I don’t care what their broadcasters say in a broadcast. Seems to me that if Cubbie fans don’t care or pay any attention to the Sox their feelings on The Hawk should be similar to mine about the Mets.
"Don’t belittle entire fanbases or neighborhoods…simply because they are within proximity to some people who don’t operate (or look) the same way you do." - AndrewJStone 6/29/2010
if someone is aware of what hawk is doing
they obviously pay attention to what the sox are doing
by jesus christos on Jul 20, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Again,
Most of the comments here are bashing Joe Morgan. However, I guess they don’t count because there’s fewer than 10 comments about Hawk Harrelson.
So just a few comments about Harrelson means we have shown an “immediate digression into Sox bashing.”
Have you actually read most of the comments here? If you have, you would realize that Joe Morgan is the one getting bashed a lot, not Hawk.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 20, 2010 5:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Hawks
Ken The Hawk Harrelson gets so much attention here and this is just another example. There are probably more comments here at BCB about Ken The Hawk Harrelson than Andre The Hawk Dawson.
Focused on the Cubbies like freaking laser beams, right.
"Don’t belittle entire fanbases or neighborhoods…simply because they are within proximity to some people who don’t operate (or look) the same way you do." - AndrewJStone 6/29/2010
And again, the Cardinals get out-of-nowhere contributions
from guys like Jon Jay and Allen Craig. Who, if they played anyplace else, would be ciphers, most likely (see Hart, Bo; Clapp, Stubby; etc.).
I’m indifferent to the White Sox, but I loathe the Cardinals.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I dislike LaRussa, but
I wish the Cubs could find a manager as good at turning spare parts into valuable contributors.
That's why I was careful to say
“Marmol you suck today” in the Saturday game thread.
Broxton’s implosion was just as surprising. To me he seems as reliable as Marmol’s been.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Jenks does not belong in the same sentence with either of the other 2.
He’s just flat out bad this year.
1.56 WHIP. Bad.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 19, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
and the guy from the Mets, too...although they did win in extra innings.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
My Dodgers fan "friend"
Says that Broxton always blows up in the big games. And need I mention Ryan Franklin in the playoffs?
There are not too many lights-out closers. Of everyone out there right now, I wish that the Cubs had Valverde, although I don’t like his antics. However, Marmol is not too shabby.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
But beatin the Astros is important
When a team can’t beat other teams with losing records, any work done against winning teams is lost. That has been the story of 2010 so far…….hoping for a new story teller this week.
fun game to watch
I hope he keeps Colvin up top, really the most painful part of the rest of the season would be having to watch Theriot bat leadoff. Was good to see Cubs score runs against a very good pitcher even when Aramis and Lee had bad games (yes Lee had one good swing but other than that he was lost at plate tonight).
Theriot needs to be benched...period. Baker and Fontenot at 2nd.
I agree about the line-up…other than Theriot, I’d keep it just like it is.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
he needs "a change of scenery"
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Good to see Colvin get a hit off a lefty
He is definately improving. His front side stayed in on that pich and he seems more comfortable. I hope Lou leaves him in against lefties more often. He needs the work.
You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone. - Al Capone
Colvin is hitting .300 vs. LHP -- 15 for 50.
That’s actually better than he’s hitting RHP.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And he's actually always hit lefties well...
The idea that he couldn’t was always just that… an idea, and a bad one at that.
That'll earn him some bench time in Lou's world.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I know you're joking.
But Colvin’s playing time is safe as long as Lou doesn’t regain confidence in Kosuke Fukudome. It’s even safer if Xavier Nady is dealt in the next 11 days.
In other words, Colvin will be in right field for most of the next two months.
Not really joking.
Colvin has been sat quite a bit for Nady and sometimes Dome. I hope he is in there as you suggest, getting spelled once every week or two. Showcasing Nady sure hasn’t helped and that’s a terrible strategy for the team to me.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Lou's finally come around on Colvin.
He might be on the bench occasionally, but Lou’s comments about the top of the order with Colvin and Castro are extremely encouraging.
I almost choked on the pizza I was eating when I saw those two were at the top of the order.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Lou realizes that Theriot could be gone soon ...
and he’s just done with Fukudome (and thank freaking god for that). If those two guys aren’t in the lineup, Lou doesn’t have a ton of options at the top of the order.
part of me still winces when I see the lineup for each game....
because I’m afraid Lou will put Soriano back at leadoff.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Heh. That won't happen.
The fact that Lou overestimates Sorianos’ mental fragility means he’ll be hitting sixth for the near future.
I was equally in shock.
but the first words I said after omg look at this line up, Soto’s in it and Theriot batting 8th was….
this will only last for tonight. Sure Theriot will be back 1st or 2nd tomorrow
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm hoping so.
After benching him again after making comments again about playing him often, he finally has seemed to actually do it. Let’s hope he means it…this time.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
not sure why Theriot hasn't been
There are some conspiracy theories out there.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I have to admit, my joy in last night's victory
was seasoned by the bitter taste of Saurday’s loss. But it’s been a bittersweet season and as a Cub fan I’m used to the taste. Here’s hoping for a win tonight!
"I f***ing hate the Eagles, man!" - The Dude
So let's keep looking at the good.
So let’s keep looking at the good.
OK, now for the bad. They have to play nearly .667 ball to finish with just 88 wins, which would be the same win total for the Reds if they played only about .500 the rest of the way.
Just win the next game...!
It's the Reds... they melt down every July.
Honestly, I think people forget how often they’re in first or near first until the all star break every single year.
I'd rather have the Cards make it to the postseason
instead of the Reds, so hopefully the Reds collapse. Of course, I’d prefer to see the Cubs beat both of them, but I’m not sure how likely that is.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jul 19, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
They began melting down before the all-star break,
Losing four games at Citizen’s Bank Park against the Phillies.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep, like I said, July melt down
But they were still in or near first at the all-star break.
Silva tonight?
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
As for blowing up the team, I'm not saying I'd want that
With the exception of Ted Lilly, is anyone on the trading block right now really helping the Cubs win this year?
Nady no
Dome no
Z hell no
Theriot no
Dlee not really ( this one saddens me as he is one of my favs)
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 8:45 AM CDT reply actions
It still dumps the contracts...
And I think the team can win without Lilly if they move Cash to the rotation. I would love to see that.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 19, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
But they aren't dumping Z or Fukudome easily
I suspect they could dump Theriot and Nady very easily and Lee probably wouldn’t be too hard with some added cash.
There's no point to trading Lee if you "add cash".
The point to dealing him is to shed the contract.
I suspect Nady could be traded. Theriot, possibly.
Otherwise, the only really dealable player is Lilly. We’ll see. Also, in response to wrigleyrocker, Cashner isn’t stretched out to start. I doubt you’ll see him do that until 2011.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I don't think they will be able to do Dome or Z
But an offer comes around, I’d want to take it. Same w/ Theriot. But my whole point is “only people not happy are ones wanting to blow up team” Think that is a bit of a braod stroke, There are a vey very small # from what I can tell want that. Most of us( IMHO) just want moves that won’t hurt this year but could really help for next year.
I don’t think they should take cash considerations for Lee.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs have numerous other options
to start other than Cashner. Even Z would be available in w eek or two if they want. But I’d guess Archer would again get the call if they need a starter.
My question would be “Will Cashner be a starter or setup man next year?”
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Sorry
My fault. I can’t tell one A***** from another A*****.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
how about
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
I'm puzzled about that too.
How is dumping contracts gonna help us? Beyond Z which helps the team, I don’t see dumping all these contracts ever leaving us in a position to compete. That’s a HANNA-like thread…dump everyone with a bad contract and somehow we sign someone that produces. How do we do that if we’re paying these guys to play somewhere else or do nothing?
Nady has had some interest. I’d sure like to see what he could get in return.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
How is paying his entire salary going to help?
Dumping some helps, not the entire thing. There is a difference.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, it would free up a roster spot.
And it would keep Lou from starting Kosuke over Colvin. But I know what you’re saying (and I didn’t quite understand your previous post).
Well I could have said it more clearly always.
But that’s what I meant. Dumping Z would help the team and having him off of it already has I think, even though you’d lose most if not all of his salary. In the long run I don’t think dumping all of the salary for Dome, Sori, etc. works because you have nothing to show for it. I mean look at Sori…dump his salary, lose his production, and how do you sign someone in his place? Hard to do when you’re paying Sori a bazillion dollars.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Totally agree.
But is anyone really suggesting that the Cubs just release all the guys on bad contracts?
It's what dumping salaries means.
If they mean a percentage …I can believe that , but would rather have it stated than assume.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Well yes.
Many more millions of dollars. I think it’s a bad strategy and only think it may be justified with Z cause he’s caused so much turmoil this year. You can’t do it with much more or you have no team for all the money.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
the trouble with Z ...
is that there just aren’t many contracts that are that bad (even if Z’s looks worse now than it did three years ago). Hendry lucked out with Carlos Silva, but I’d be amazed if we got something useful back for Z.
If Kosuke's contract was gone next year
They could afford one or two of the parts that the team needs
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
or at least not have ANY more excuses to not make Colvin the everyday LF'er.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
oops...I mean RF'er
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I think Lou's finally past that.
Kosuke is the fourth outfielder until Colvin hits a real slump.
If only Lou could have had that approach to 3rd base in the first half.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
All along, I said I was fine leaving Aramis in the lineup.
But Lou should have hit him sixth or seventh for most of the time before he came off the DL. Why he didn’t, I’ll never know.
I think a lot of the people who argue for a "blowup"
use it as catharsis for their frustrations with the team.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
no but since they aren't helping much
Of course you won’t get much in return. If you can dump some salary and not lose people who are helping for people who losen up salary for next year….. I don’t think the Cubs would giving up chips that would help them go on a run if that happens.
I’d be ok with it., I don’t want the team blown up, just pointing out that even though I’m in favor of some trades, it DOESN’T MEAn I want the Cubs to lose.
So you get takers on one or two of them, do you think losing Dome or Nady will hinder the Cubs from going on a winning streak?
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd explore dealing Lilly
and then just let the exorbitant contracts (D. Lee) run out and begin re-tooling with a combination of youth and outside options.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
We have been exploring dumping some salary.
Hasn’t happened so far cause no one seems to want them beyond Lilly or perhaps Nady. I don’t think losing them will hurt the Cubs no, but you have to get takers for them. One point in here that you make I like though is that we may have to give up a package deal and lose individual parts.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I think it's a great idea to nationally televise a baseball game every week when no other game is on...
But I find my self NEVER watching it, due to the crappy broadcast team.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 19, 2010 8:46 AM CDT reply actions
Bugged me that the guys in the bleachers
pressured that little boy into throwing that Philly HR ball back. I sure hope that was a decoy ball they threw back, but I doubt it. He sure looked proud of himself due to the approval surrounding him, but still.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
dont think it was...they showed the kid a few more times..and he never
once had a ball in his hands….and looked kinda sad…
by cozmotaylor123 on Jul 19, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
If that's the case,
then this is a tradition that has gone way beyond the silly point. Again, I hope someone pocketed the real ball for him. Don’t know what they were saying because my TV was on mute, but they kept showing the kid. They sure did a good job of making it look bad on TV (at least to me). Looked like a bunch of goons egging him on. To me he looked proud of himself (at the moment) because all the big guys around him were patting him on the back. Felt sorry for him.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
this is a tradition that has gone way beyond the silly point.
100% agreed.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
As I found out last night,
You’re prepared in case you ever end up with a home run ball hit by the opposing team.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
IIRC, Al
had a great story once about handing someone a ball to throw back that he wrote on (something to the effect of it not being the HR ball) and the other team was passing it around laughing in their dugout…not sure? I could be just mixed up.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
Not sure about the past, but he's got one all ready to go.
Al showed the BCB ‘promo’ ball to us when we sat with him.
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
Showed it to me last night, too.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
That's correct.
It happened in 2003. The HR hitter was Rafael Furcal (when with the Braves). The Braves bullpen got the throwback ball and laughed about it.
There’s another one ready to go if another one comes to our group.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Then there was the Adam Dunn incident in 2008 that set Marty Brennaman off on his tirade.
Everyone in right field who had a throwback ball threw it back when Dunn put one on Sheffield Avenue during a Cubs blowout win in April of that year.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Jul 19, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll have to ask Al about this on Wednesday.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Here is
a link to the tirade. And I said it was only right field. According to this, they threw balls in from all over the bleachers.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Jul 19, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
He didn't look sad at all.
I just watched that ninth inning again, and as I saw the first time last night, that boy looked happy and excited the whole time. You’re reading what you want to into that.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with this.
He was thrilled to be part of the tradition and will obviously be a Cubs fan long into the future. I didn’t see him look sad at all.
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
Hope Lou leaves Colvin and Castro
RIGHT where they are ..
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
Me too
But this season, I think that is dream.
Will anyone be surprised to Theriot leading again?
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
If Lou puts Theriot back leading off...
then Trammel should just walk up to Lou quietly and not say a word…and hit him over the head with a baseball bat.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
I posted this in a previous thread but, Lou commenting on Colvin & Castro hitting #1 & #2:
"I like the young kids up there," Piniella said. "Why disturb something that works?"
So based on Lou’s previous behavior this season, tonight Dome will lead off with Riot at #2.
Any takers?
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
Zeke
I believe Theriot is back there not Dome. He’s not batting 1 or 2. I am floored.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Wandy the LHP
goes tonight for the Astros. Let’s see if Lou remembers his words.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Maybe we need to
have a throwback Lou manager for those times.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
c'mon
Even Al Capone said a few words when he did that.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Nice..."The Untouchables"...classic scene.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
As for that double-steal,
Even though it was an error, it was also the first time I’d ever seen a steal of home.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 8:54 AM CDT reply actions
It wasn't a double steal. See my comment above.
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
Yeah, saw that after I wrote it.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
And I corrected my 'duh' about the Cashner/Colvin mixup.
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
Didn't Castro "steal home"
the other day on an attempted squeeze? I think that was last Thurs.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
That WAS a legitimate steal of home
but only because the batter missed the squeeze bunt and the pitch got away from the catcher.
If Castro breaks for home AFTER the pitch bounces in the dirt, then it’s not a steal of home.
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
You're really, really, really intent on making this clear to all of us.
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Jul 19, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry. It's the official scorer in me.
I’ll shut up now ;)
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
It's cool :)
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Jul 19, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
It always seems like the Cubs have played better
against teams with winning records this year than against teams with losing records…
Reality
Cubs record vs. teams currently over .500: 19-27
Cubs record vs. teams currently under .500: 23-24
(A’s included in the “under .500” group — currently 46-46)
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That would be 0-0.
The Cubs haven’t played any teams whose current percentage is below .350.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
OK, Baseball Reference is a day behind
They didn’t have the Pirates win yesterday. How about less than or equal to .353?
Sigh.
The Cubs’ record vs. Pittsburgh and Houston is 5-13. That’s completely inexplicable.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Let's improve that record, beginning tonight.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed...turn it around and the Cubs are right in the thick of it.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
I have no idea about the Astros ...
but I think the Pirates have our number because they’re such an athletic team. This might be anecdotal, but I amazed at how many hits the Pirates defense takes away from the Cubs when the teams meet.
Given the struggles of Lee and Ramirez, and the relative lack of walks by everybody else, those hits here and there could have made a big difference.
This is just a theory …
Five of the nine losses to the Pirates have been by one run...
… and two others by two runs. A lot of that is bad bullpen work.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I don't disagree.
But taking away a key basehit can have huge implications in close games.
Possibly so.
Time to have Cubs hitters work the counts vs. the Astros and Pirates.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Well, yes and no, Al
A lot of those games have been 2-1, 3-2, 1-0 type games. The offense has forced the bullpen to be letter-perfect to get a victory.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
As long as Theriot
leads off and Lee and ARam hit in the middle and the other team shows up and Lou manages, it’s quite understandable.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
I also realize
we went 5-13 when he was hitting in the 160s.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
I would have never guessed that
Interesting stat
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
The Worf of Wall Street
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Pimping and selling and pimping and selling...
Worf is sweet on Blue Horseshoe..
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait, lets wait for the secret orange crop report first.
www.facebook.com/craighudak
by Craig in South Bend on Jul 19, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
+1 for the "Trading Places" reference
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
good movie
They casted perfectly
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
If Z or Lou ends up in the gorilla suit with the other real gorilla, I'm all for it.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
hell Z could decide to try his hand at acting
I’d be all for it
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Is anybody else kinda sad ...
about how Lee’s tenure with the Cubs will likely end? I’m not saying he should be re-signed, but it sure doesn’t seem like he’ll be leaving on a high note.
It is in a different sort of way.
Lee has been a fine player and good guy to have on the team. But his time here is done, I think.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That's interesting.
I’m reminded of Andre Dawson’s exit, personally.
I can see your point.
Williams and Santo both played their entire careers with the Cubs only to be traded for their final year(s). D Lee spent six years in Florida (this is his seventh as a Cub), as the Hawk spent eleven in Montreal, as we will be reminded of forever each time anyone sees his plaque in the HOF.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Jul 19, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
the sad thing about Dawson ...
is that he ended up hitting his 400th home run with the Red Sox, in early April of the following season.
And especially in Williams case
he was my boyhood idol. No one ever matches the players from your youth. Seeing him traded to Oakland was awful.
It was that way for me, when Gibson and Morris left the Tigers
Collusion certainly factored into the equation, but it was still tough to see them not play for the Tigers their whole careers.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Soto, Colvin, Castro...
Three reasons to remain hopeful in the future of this team.
Looking forward to 3 years from now when we can shed 40% of this payroll, but it’s nice to know that we can eek out a win or two against a very good Phillies team.
Proud recipient of a hot dog shot from the Iowa Cubs hot dog gun.
It could be a very long three years
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Jul 19, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Castro is now quietly batting .294!
He had a rough June… batting .227, as the league adjusted to him.
But, he’s seemed to make the adjustment himself, and is batting .367 in July. This kid is gonna be a good one.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
I'm THRILLED with this hot streak
Makes our players more attractive in trades.
There is no hope for his season. None. Stop thinking it.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
None are! The best players for the Cubs have been
Ramirez, Colvin, Castro, Soriano, and Gorzo, and only Gorzo has been trade bait.
by braziliancubsfan on Jul 19, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Gorzo should not be trade bait.
He’s a good back of the rotation starter who is cost controlled. There’s no way he’ll be traded.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Don't you want to bring back Lilly though?
Assuming Cashner is a starter next year, we are quickly running out of rotation spots.
Well ...
I don’t know if I’d go that far. What if the Cubs can package Gorzo and Fukudome, without having to pay any of Fukudome’s salary for next year?
I’d do that in a heartbeat, Al.
Um....
… sure, I’d trade Fukudome in just about any deal if that $ came off the books. But that’s real unlikely no matter who’s involved.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I guess my point is ...
that Gorzo could be valuable in a package that includes a guy on a big contract — especially if Dempster, Wells, Silva and Lilly return next year.
But I’m all for keeping Gorzo, otherwise.
In think trading Dome back to Japan
this off season is the most likely scenario we’ll see. I can’t remember the name, but a previous Japanese player (a pitcher I think) was traded back to Japan after 1 season in MLB. I just don’t see another MLB team taking Fukudome…..
It wasn't a trade.
Kenji Johjima, a catcher for the Mariners, walked away from $16 million on his Mariners deal when he signed a $21 million contract to return to Japan.
This might be something the Cubs and Fukudome could explore together.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Teams might be interested in a young, inexpensive lefty, especially a good one that
Gorzo has shown to be whenever he starts. I could see him in the rotation for the next year or 2, and I wouldn’t trade him either
by braziliancubsfan on Jul 19, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
No I'd hate to be the cop that has to search him
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
by cubnational on Jul 19, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd hate to be his parent.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Jul 19, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if this is his dad. Similar poses.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 19, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
He sure didn't inherit his dad's good looks.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Jul 19, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's the explanation. It comes from his mother's side.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Jul 19, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Ew-How could she kiss him?
He’s so damned ugly.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 19, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah the apes were damned and dirty, too
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 19, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
He didn't reply cause he was just trying to bait us.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
"More attractive in trades"?
You mean the Derrek Lee who hit into two double plays last night?
Or the Ryan Theriot who was 0-for-3 and double switched out of the game?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
You're right
There is no reason to like this hot streak whatsoever.
All it does is give false hope to the paste-eaters
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I don't think the Cubs have much of a chance, either.
But who cares if a bunch of people on BCB have false hope? As long as Hendry doesn’t start trading youngsters for veterans, does it really matter?
by elgato on Jul 19, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
el gato
You win a prize for logical comment in this thread.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Thank you.
The pessimists versus optimists debate is certainly valid WHEN IT HAS PRACTICAL IMPLICATIONS. I just don’t think it does in this case.
by elgato on Jul 19, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
well stated and rec'd
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
I completely agree with you elgato.
And think your point is very correct. However…with Worf, you have to realize primarily he’s just trying to bait you here. Very different from other pessimists trying to stamp out anyone enjoying a victory.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Well put, eg
Would you rather watch losing baseball or winning baseball?
I swear, if you gave some people $1 million, they’d be pissed off because it all came in $100 bills.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Sigh....
only a few more wins in the second half with this team is more like giving someone $1 million to pay off a $3 million dollar debt. Yes it helps, but it’s not going to keep them from eventually declaring bankruptcy.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok, then, here's hoping the Cubs
go on a 10-game losing streak.
Make you feel better, Gloomy Gus?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
this is a dumb thing to say...we all HOPE they win every single game...
but objectively looking at the personnel we have and the expected performance we’ll most likely get I don’t EXPECT them to make the playoffs.
This doesn’t make me a Gloomy Gus, it makes me a fan willing to temper my heart with my brain.
There’s never an in-between with you. We’re either Kool-Aid drinkers or Debbie Downers.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
YES! I HOPE THEY LOSE EVERY FREAKING GAME
And then sell Wrigley Field to make a Build-A-Bear store (a big one), move the team to Rockford and become the Rockford Rocknuts and then I hope the Rocknuts win seven straight World Series.
I also hope Zambrano retires after an unfortunate incident with a bag of Hershey’s Special Dark candy bars, a goat and a pound of cocaine.
I hope Theriot gets traded to the Yankees and becomes a 12-time All-Star and Hall of Famer.
I hope Bartman walks into the Build-A-Bear store, rips off his shirt and screams “TELL ME HOW MY ASS TASTES!!!”
You found me out. You win
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Hey now...I'm from Rockford.
No need to drag them into this.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Well they did get successful as a city by tool and die with screws..
Still take offense to the Rocknuts label. Their name comes from the ford used to cross the Rock River. Hmm I would say the Rock does taste like ass.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
::cue self-righteous NBF comeback::
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
The usual suspects
did the usual things. Right on cue.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for not missing any your marks...
we could never do this without you.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Forget wooden legs,
some people appear to have wooden heads.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw that Disney movie!
It was good!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Sorry to ruin your echo-chamber, but not everyone is picking up what you're putting down.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Whatever blows your hair back, SWL
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
That would make a nice match...
to all the mama grizzlies sarah says you need to worry about.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
That
And I’m going to watch this team regardless, I’d rather watch them WIN.
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
This.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
So if the Cubs do pull a miracle comeback...
… will you eat a jar of paste on video and post it here?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Because that would be fair after you chide us for disagreeing with you
and say those that do eat paste.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
This team sure has resembled a county fair often.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Worf's better at getting me to say something I regret later.
Demp is pretty good at doing slap stick jokes.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Yum! Try it! You'll like it!
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Jul 19, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Change the first "e" in "paste-eaters" to an "a"
and I’ll wear it proudly.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
I must still be more tired that I realize
I had to re read that twice before I laughed
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Take the "s" out and I'll have some with a nice Beaujolais
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Jul 19, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Truth
All else being equal I would rather the Cubs win than lose. It would still take a major miracle to get back in it, but it seems like nobody really wants our aging veterans that badly (including Lilly), so I am not that worried about the trade market. For the sake of our young players development it is much better if we make a run at .500 than make a run at the Orioles for worst record. . Not to mention, Ramirez hitting better holds some promise for next year.
agreed
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
This
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 19, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice Wrap, Al!
I would think that to Hendry, Gorzo pitching this way may ease the pain of trading Lilly. We’ll all soon see.
Nice series overall by the team. As you say – a dropped throw from a sweep. I like the way Soto came back after being the goat on Saturday. It shows a lot, imo.
There was a guy on the Expos “back in the day” who wore extra-baggy uniforms and I believe was always leading off. He used HBP as an offensive weapon. I cannot remember his name, though. But, I remember him leaning INTO pitches!
Ron Hunt.
He holds the MLB record for HBP in a season: 50 in 1971.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
RON HUNT!
Yes! Thank you. Baseball card anyone?
Here you go.
In Expos gear, he was playing for Montreal in 1971.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
You are
a wonderful person.
lol!
Thanks!
He is wearing one of his “slimmer” uniforms.
The first picture I wanted to upload didn't work.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I used to have a ton of those cards
Mom threw them all away, of course.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you realize
if many moms organized as a company, they could have been as rich as Trump from the baseball card collections they tossed?
They're the reason that the cards were so valuable in the first place!
By artificially creating rarity. Now if they had pooled their resources and slowly released the cards (rather than flooding the market with them), they could have made a mint.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Got that right.
After my mom threw away my baseball cards, she later gave away a plastic locker I had with the Seattle Pilots inscribed on it to Goodwill. Still pissed about that mom, thank you.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
No doubt
I think Clutch might be on to something here.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I am sure lou will do the correct thing and leave Colvin and Castro 1-2!
Also maybe Baker gets a start after 2 hits yesterday and 0 for Theriot.
Lou always makes up a great lineup and I know these things will happen!
I hope so.
The top of the order did REALLY well last night, I think Colvin and Castro were a combined 6-for-8. I’m comfortable seeing those two at the top of the lineup more.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
please let your sarcasm of 1 & 2 be true
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Al, one thing,
Saturday’s game began at noon. So it was a day game, not a night game.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 10:16 AM CDT reply actions
My position on this season stands on if a miracle is in sight
and even if I’m a preacher, a man of faith, my faith always has reasons ..
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2010/7/16/1573159/do-you-believe-in-miracles
For me when it comes to Chicago Cubs baseball, edition 2010, I have said that three series wins in a row would get me believing.
This week, it will include the Astros AND the Red Turds.
We’re 1/3 of the way there, against the NL Champions.
A great start. But nowhere NEAR finished. Once more, I reiterate ..
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
I get the impression the Phillies might be struggling a little bit,
And not as strong as they were the last few years.
Take away their four-game sweep of the Reds before the All-Star Break. Going back to June 28, the Phillies lost two of three in Cincinnati, three of four in Pittsburgh, and two of three in Philadelphia against the Braves. They then swept the Reds in the aforementioned four-game series, but lost three of four to the Cubs.
Take away that four-game sweep of the Reds, and the Phillies have a four-win, ten-loss record in the other series going back to the end of Interleague play, when they took two of three against the Blue Jays in that bizarre series at Citizens Bank Park which were actually Toronto home games.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
The Phillies bullpen is atrocious.
And they really have only two reliable starters. They miss Utley, big time.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
To be honest,
I didn’t notice he wasn’t in there. When did he go on the DL?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought Utley and Polanco
went on the DL at the same time. Polanco just got off it.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Two reliable starters?
Hamels and who else? Halladay got lit up last night.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Halladay has been good and reliable this year.
One bad outing does not negate it. Look at his ERA…even after that outing it’s still in the 2 run range.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay, I did not realize that.
My bad.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not hard to do.
The only reason I knew of it was his performance was brought up right before the series started. His record was 10-7…yet had an ERA of the low 2’s. Has been getting horrible run suppot.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Last night was a case in point of that.
The Phillies only scored two runs for him.
His next start is against Colorado on Friday.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
That Werth has played so horribly only magnifies the problem.
Yeah, they sure do miss him. Shame the defending WS champs haven’t been able to fill in the void. Funny thing was seeing your comments the first time read as Utley was a starting pitcher.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Overlooked in all this is that the Cubs
are now 3-0, I believe, against Roy Halladay.
So for those who were ready to concede last night’s game Saturday night … remember, baseball is a funny game.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 12:00 PM CDT reply actions
Was one of those games in 2008?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
2008 in Toronto
IIRC, the Cubs led 6-0 after an inning. Reed Johnson hit a grand slam. And Jason Marquis took a no-hitter into the sixth inning.
I was lucky enough to be there to see it. Good times.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Just looked it up.
Cubs beat Halladay in 2005, beat him in 2008 in the game you were at (you saw a great game), and beat him again last night.
Last night was the first time I’ve seen the Cubs win since June 2008.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Congrats, VCF,
sounds like you had fun.
Halladay actually pitched well in that 2005 loss, but Sergio Mitre pitched the game of his life and they won 2-1 (I think).
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
It was 2-0, actually.
Halladay took a tough-luck loss in that game.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Great series, wasn't it?
Toronto is a pretty cool city, too.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Definitely.
Love visiting there. Went to the series in 2003, too.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Forgot about that series
I guess the Cubs missed Halladay that time.
Rogers Centre is not a great ballpark, however.
Toronto would be an even-greater series if the Canadian dollar was back around 70 cents instead of almost at par.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, no kidding.
Unlike 2003, which was affordable, 2008 was kinda expensive.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Re the Phil's pen
JC Romero (who was cool to sign a scorecard for a friend’s kid in the middle of a game) got a ‘roid suspension. He is a very, very nasty LH reliever. And, I think we conveniently forget that the team has been playing without the League’s #2 MVP – Chase Utley.
and also the nearly-forgotten Jeff Baker (who hasn’t started a game since July 1)
Why is he even on the team if he doesn’t play, Lou?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
every year Lou likes to pick one player on the active roster and not use them at all...Baker's name came out of the hat this year.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Fontenot is just above Baker on that list.
So Lou’s really playing with a 23-man roster. 22, if you count the last guy in the bullpen who never gets used.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That makes lots of sense.
/s
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Let's hope he adds Hill to that group, too.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
Ok...give Geo one day off every 2 weeks
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
He can't true.
Still the amount of time he is used is valid for the comparison, since Hill was used almost the same amount as Soto for a long time.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that it's time to relegate Hill to Sunday Catcher status
His performance last year was exceptional, but it was also necessary. Now that the 2008 NL ROY is healthy and able to play (and contribute!) every day, he should be allowed to do so.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
The Cubs have played 93 games.
Soto has started 67, Hill 26.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That's interesting.
I know when a fan shot was made it was dead even. I’m glad to see Lou has finally changed it for the better.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
For a while Soto played in about as many games as ARam
No DL for Soto, but I just looked and he is about 10 ahead of ARam, so in the last few weeks that much have changed
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
actually
theres about 2 pitchers in bullpen that never get used
by jesus christos on Jul 19, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesing tid-bit by Joe Morgan last night
Morgan referenced Soriano’s 40-40 season in 2006 as a “once-in-a-lifetime event”. And so far he’s right.. No one has repeated this feat.
Strange company too – Canseco, ARod, and Bonds.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
Thee only reason I am in favor of selling a few bodies (if we can) is
that the Cubs need to win 63-65% of their games the rest of the way to even have a prayer of making the play-offs. But in reality, what happens is a team has a real hot streak for 20-25 games, where they only lose 2-4 games…this is similar to what the White Sox just pulled off (think Colorado at end of season). Beyond this intense and long hot streak, the team plays 2-4 games above .500 in the other 45-50 games.
Can the Cubs really win 18 out of 20 or 21-22 out of 25? My guess is we have too many flaws in the offense and defense to do this (Saturday was a good example of this). Though nothing would make me happier than to see the Cubs above .500 and contending, I think we might be able to get a reasonable return on Lilly and Theriot at a minimum, as there are injuries for a number of contenders.
Another impediment for a hot streak is our manager. Lou has proven a failure in 1-2 run games.
I cheer for the Cubs every day. But anything we can do to improve for 2011-12 is a plus to me. We start those seasons at much better odds than where we are today.
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
Sorry, we supposed to EXPECT a 20-25 game hot streak or else you're just being a jerk.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe both??
my wife would like to make the first vote in the jerk column.
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
you just don't want to part with Theriot.
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
Exactly
C’mon NBF likes to remind the rest of “fans” what being a fan is truely about. Then if someone calls him on that, we are just dumb. We are all suppose to agree.
SWL you should know this by now
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
It's hard to remember things with my wooden head.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Does your nose grow when you lie, too?
That’s gotta be popular with the ladies – “Lie to me! Tell the truth! Now, lie! Truth! Oh, LIE!”
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
5 BCB Points for using your head.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I wanna see the adult Shrek version of Pinocchio.
They skirt around using it so much it seems inevitable anyway.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
If you want to mischaracterize, too, MCF, go right ahead
if it makes you feel better about yourself.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Have you ever stopped to wonder why so many people seem to "mischaracterize" what you try to say?
I didn’t think so.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
for most of the time I've been on bcb (off and on for 3 years)
He’s called out people on not being “true fans”. Basically saying that variety of people want nothing more than to see the team do bad. Up until this year, he sometimes had a valid point.
There are a few people who are cheering for Cubs to blow up. But most of us come here b/c we LOVE the Cubs possibly more than we should. He has many times mischaracterized the average Cub fan. But the ironic thing is when someone attempts to point this out, that person is the bad guy and does sometimes get insulted.
But I guess if it makes someone happy to come on here and show us how we are wrong and our loyalty is all wrong…. I can go back to ignoring him like I have for the most part over time.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I think this year that point is more valid than ever
but it’s not worth arguing about.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I consider the sources
and that’s all I need to know.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
right on cue...you simply discredit all dissent to your point of view with put downs.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh oh, did I just mischaracterize your comment?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Mischaracterize all you want, Worf,
you’re just doing what you do best.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Selling bodies is illegal.
Just ask SWL.
Or Worf.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
but not impossible...
just ask Tiger Woods.
Or Heidi Fleiss.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I beg to differ.
Tiger was a buyer, not a seller
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
It takes a buyer in order to sell....
unless you talking about the US Fed.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
You pimp in that dinosaur suit and you'd be king of all times.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
contact your physician if it last more than 4 hours
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
That would piss off the wife...I hope.
She oughta get first crack at it.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
So a guy creeps into the only drugstore in a small town
To his embarrassment, the only person on duty is an attractive middle-aged lady. Thankfully, there’s no one else in the store either, so he braves it.
“Excuse me – what can you give me for a priapism?”
She glances around quickly and says, “A quarter-share of the pharmacy, and that’s my final offer!”
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
ba dum bah!
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
On Byrd's HBP near-record
It’s interesting, because I really don’t think of him as a ball magnet, but that could be because when he wears one, he usually just drops the bat and trots to first – “That’s ok, sometimes one gets away from you. Didn’t hurt, anyway.” The exception being Padilla’s crap, of course.
And I assumed Reed Johnson would have been near the top of the list, but then I remembered he was a platoon guy. He was still nailed 12 times in 2008, in 374 PAs.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Exactly
Nobody’s making any grand predictions. Just like nobody was making grand predictions about the White Sox a month ago.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
There's nothing wrong with optimism.
But let’s compare apples to apples. The White Sox mounted a comeback in early June, not mid-July. It’s getting pretty late to make up 9.5 games.
The Sox made up that ground in four weeks.
There are a lot more than four weeks left in the season.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Again, it's cool to be optimistic.
But I don’t have to tell you how rare a run like that is, Al. For every team like the 2010 Sox or the 2003 Marlins, there are 10 2005 Cubs.
I’m not impressed by optimism based solely on examples of other teams that have done the unthinkable in somewhat similar circumstances. There are valid reasons to be more optimistic about the Cubs’ second half than the first half — namely, the resurgence of Aramis Ramirez, the new fourth-outfielder status of Kosuke Fukudome and a bullpen that looks a heckuva lot more solid than it did in April.
But let’s win 8 of 10 before we start talking about 20 of 25.
That's not at all what I was saying.
I was just saying comparing the Cubs now to the Sox a month ago isn’t apples to apples.
You're right.
However, I ask the question again: when the Sox were in that position, could anyone have seen them run off a 26-5 streak?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
What the hell difference does it make if someone could have seen them run off a 26-5 streak?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Because...
… no one could have seen them do it, but they did it anyway.
No one could see the Cubs doing that right now. Maybe they’ll do it anyway.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Maybe we'll sign Pujols this offseason to a 10 year deal and win the WS next year.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe Ryan Theriot will hit 10 homeruns in the second half of this season.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe Zambrano comes back and buys everyone on the team a pony.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe Mel Gibson and Jesse Jackson release an album of duets.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe Dan gets over his fear of commitment and stops running away from evey relationship when things get too serious.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm listening to Bette Midler right now.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Good stuff!!!
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
♫Some say Loooooove...♫
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
BCB members seem to be unnecessary at this point lol
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
all you need is SWL
Sipping the Kool-Aid since 1982 - Kinda
Currently 34,839 on the Season Ticket Wait List - Expected age of being #0: 119
SWL & Al
Albert signing…….. would make my heart pitter patter.
I think you both have very good points. One of the best things about this sport is that it’s so unpredictable. So I think more strange things happen in this sport than say football or basketball.
Is it possible, yes. I do like your optimism Al but how possible is more the question.
SWL Is it probable no. I have had my heart broken by them one too many times to truely believe it.
But I did like Drews comment winning
is good. Keep doing it, and who knows? is a good middle ground for me to believe personally
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I kind of agree.
Optimism is good — but I prefer that it be based on the Cub’s performance rather than outlier examples like the White Sox.
The Cubs have looked better since the break, but I’m a LONG way from thinking a 26-5 streak is even remotely possible.
I understand your point...
…but I wouldn’t bank on it Al.
Crazy things do happen, and the Sox 26-5 stretch is probably the best run since what the Rockies did a few years ago.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Yes, don't bank on it...
OR use the possibility of it as an excuse to not trade the trade-able players we have now if they’ll bring in real prospects/$.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be correct!!!
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
just a 14 game winning streak away from being right back in it!
by jesus christos on Jul 19, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
You know...now that I look at the schedule...
we could run off a big stretch of wins. We don’t play the Pirates again until the end of August!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions
but we play the astros now
theyre pretty good
against the cubs
by jesus christos on Jul 19, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
if we actually have any players like that
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Ted Lily is a player just like that.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
BUT IF WE LOSE THE REST OF OUR GAMES WE'LL GET THE FIRST DRAFT PICK AND CAN GET THE NEXT STRASBERG!!!!!!!!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
I’ll keep that in mind when you’re laughing at someone hoping for a streak to continue.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Making the team better is good. Keep doing it and we could even be winning games next year too.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
"DP" Lee
How many times has Lee failed this year hitting into repeated DP’s? Way too many!! Move him DOWN DOWN DOWN in the order!
by Crown Point Bob on Jul 19, 2010 2:48 PM CDT reply actions
he cleared the bases with a double yesterday!!!!!!!!!!!!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah gotta agree with you there.
I hope Lou doesn’t see that and think he’s magically turned things around…putting him late in the order would be best I think for now.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
The last time Lou moved a "star veteran" down in the order....
was Soriano….and look how long that took.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
This is my biggest...
…issue with Lou and has been for a while.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Yep.
And look how long it took to move Rami down in the order. He’s not willing to make concessions for poor performance often.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Now good performance, that will get your ass BENCHED.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, if you play well, you'll never play
Do you think before you post?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 19, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I mentioned this somewhere
Lee’s hit into 14, so far this year. As a team they have hit into 78 (before last night) Which is 2nd most in the NL.
Yeah he’s hit into a lot, but you also have 64 dp plays by other cubs. There about 5 teams that have hit into less than 65 total.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
theriot 8 (would be more if he wasnt so FAST
fonzie 7
by jesus christos on Jul 19, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
What Theriot is denied on the DPs, he makes up for in TOOTBLANs...he will NOT be denied!
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
We need to get baseball-reference to add TOOTBLAN as an official category.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And we need a TOOTBLAN trophy for the TOOTBLAN of the Year Award.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
I'll sign that petition
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
has anyone looked @ his Wikipedia entry
I think maybe he his wife or mom wrote it
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Theriot has a widely known reputation for his relentless hustle, running out infield ground balls with seldom shown fervor
No mention of any pasta-diving, however.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
"relentless hustle", "seldom shown fervor"
This is good stuff. This is really good stuff. Now, if only we could bottle hugs…
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
so you agree with me that maybe his mom or wife wrote it
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
and even then, they might love him too much
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
I'd assume an intern
for his agent wrote it.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 19, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
for the people that think fonzies contract is long and expensive
the NJ devils resigned ilya kovalchuck to a 17 year $100mill+ deal today. for those that dont know, kovy is kind of like soriano considering theyre good on O but cant play D
Kovy's defense has been getting (slowly) better over the last few seasons
I watched him skate during his first season in the league – you wanna talk about wretched defense? But, man, is he fast.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Was 17 years accurate?
That long and it just blows away Fonzie, with the disparity in hockey and baseball salaries.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
SCH says its supposed to be $150 mill
which is about 8.8 mill
yikes
by jesus christos on Jul 19, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
From what I've read
The deal is actually just over $100 mil. The $150 number is how much he will have made by the end of the 17 year deal. So, it’ll be close to $6.5 to $7 mill a year.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
Wait, what?
If he makes 150 mill, that’s the deal for the contract, right? 100 mill must be referring to 10 years or something.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
The new contract with the Devils
is 17 years, just over $100 mil. In total, Kovalchuk will have earned $150 million as an NHL player once the 17 years is over.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
Ah ok. That clarifies it.
A 17 year deal is pretty dang stupid to me.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Has Theriot been permanently benched and/or traded yet?
If not, why? His numbers are entering historic levels of ineptitude. He’s becoming Miles-like with his total lack of pop and inability to do anything other than ground out to SS or 3rd or bunt.
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
I honestly don't get all the Theriot hate around here...
he’s not the reason the season has been so disappointing.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 19, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
God you just made me spit out my drink.
he isn’t the reason, but hearing you say that is still making me crack up.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
How many extra base hits does he have this year? >10?
He’s the least productive regular on the Cubs and close to the least productive in all of baseball.
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
Ronnie Cedeno would like a word with you on the end of that sentence
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
He's not hitting below .200.
So let’s back off on the Aaron Miles comparisons.
Good grief.
Theriot is a solid backup
But the Cubs cant go to arbitration with him next winter, because after 4 years as a starter, he would probably get 3.5 million. Way too much. Even the guy who gave 2 year contracts to Aaron Miles and Neify Perez knows better than to show the money to the Riot.
by holy mackeral on Jul 19, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I prefer the made up conspirary theories
on why he still is.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
What's the weather forecast in Chicago for tonight's game?
Asking, because we have severe storm warnings out for Central IL. tonight.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
Cloudy where I'm staying in Dundee.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 19, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
its mostly cloudy here in des moines
Sipping the Kool-Aid since 1982 - Kinda
Currently 34,839 on the Season Ticket Wait List - Expected age of being #0: 119
Bright and sunny here in Fargo
After some clouds and light rain earlier
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
It's sunny, hot and humid here in STL. Mid 90's usual summer steambath here.
So endeth my Weather Channel report.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 19, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
http://www.weather.com/outlook/events/mlb/gameforecast/60613?eventid=327130
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
You're no fun :P
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
81 but really humid here
chance of storms late tonight
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 19, 2010 4:33 PM CDT reply actions
Loved the game.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
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