Who Will Be Lou Piniella's Successor? Cubs vs. Astros Preview, Tuesday 7/20, 7:05 CT
by Al Yellon on Jul 20, 2010 5:00 PM CDT
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PrintBy now you've likely heard the news that Lou Piniella is officially retiring as Cubs manager after this disappointing season is over.
Who will succeed him? First, I think we have been given a clue as to Jim Hendry's future by this announcement. While it's still possible that Hendry will be let go after this season, remember that there are two years left on Hendry's deal and if there were to be a new GM also, they might have sat on this announcement until October.
In any case, there will be many names batted around for Lou's successor -- among them, mentioned in this afternoon's post, are Bob Brenly, Alan Trammell, Bobby Valentine, Joey Cora, Jose Oquendo and Joe Torre.
None of those men will get the job, for various reasons, nor should they. In my mind, it comes down to two choices: Joe Girardi, or Ryne Sandberg.
Girardi will have, at the end of this season, four years' major league managing experience and at least one World Series ring. He's been a Cubs player and grew up in the organization. I didn't think he had enough experience in 2006 at the last opening; clearly, he does now and he'd be a fine choice. I do not expect him to be available; the Yankees usually work on one-year deals and they may not lock him up until later, but I'd expect Girardi to give them first refusal.
That makes, to me, the obvious choice Ryne Sandberg. I'll repeat what I've posted here before: Sandberg applied for the job after Dusty Baker's deal was not renewed. He was told he had no experience -- and so he got some, starting at the lowest level of the organization, riding buses in the Midwest League. He worked hard, and by all accounts is very good at his job and has been praised by some of the very players who will (hopefully) be part of the next Cubs playoff team, as well as by members of Cubs management. Not one Hall of Fame player has ever done what Sandberg has done in learning his craft. To have done everything asked by the organization and then to NOT get the job would be a real slap in the face to Sandberg.
He's earned it. His popularity is a bonus, not the reason to hire him.
There's one more dark-horse choice who could very well wind up as Sandberg's bench coach: Pat Listach, who was a Cubs minor league manager for many years before leaving to become third-base coach with the Nationals. Listach is among the next generation of coaches/managers; he's only 43 and would be a fine choice to be part of Sandberg's coaching staff... as would Greg Maddux, if he'd agree.
Now, those are my opinions. In the next few days or so, I'll try to put together a piece examining all the known possibilities (and maybe some others) as objectively as possible.
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This looks like a mismatch. Wesley Wright made six relief appearances for Houston in May and June and was pretty bad in most of them. He was sent to Triple-A and is being recalled to start this game; it will be his first major league start after 126 relief appearances with a 5.24 ERA and 1.56 WHIP. His career ERA vs. the Cubs in 10.2 innings is 5.06 with 11 walks. Clearly, we are doomed.
Ryan Dempster had a good outing last Thursday against the Phillies and has already defeated the Astros once this year, on June 5 in Houston. He's been very consistent all year and ranks sixth in the NL in K's with 129, only seven behind the leader, Tim Lincecum. Lance Berkman has homered four times off him in 54 career AB, and Ryan has also walked Berkman 12 times.
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Wesley Wright looks like he's about 12 years old in that picture
Enjoy the game y’all – I’m heading to bed now. Gotta drive 10 hours tomorrow, with 2 hours of work slipped in the middle of it.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Take care, Clutch...have a safe trip!
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 20, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Really? None of those other candidates shouls bee looked at?
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jul 20, 2010 5:05 PM CDT reply actions
Better yet make Maddux the Manager...
and GM, too.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jul 20, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you know why the Astros kill the Cubs every time?
Because they are loaded with soft throwing Left-handers.
We will be Lucky to score 2 runs. Dempster better not give up a run just to be safe.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jul 20, 2010 5:07 PM CDT reply actions
Is there a game tonight? Who knew?
Let’s just set up Lou at home plate with a microphone and let the fans ask him questions. We let the Astros win by forfeit, but the entertainment value would be awesome…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
Huge mismatch.
Should win this game 6 to 0.
Somehow we we will lose 4-1.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
I'm guessing it will be Ryno.
He wouldn’t be my first pick (Girardi), and depending on what the team does to shuffle things around for next year, he might not be my second pick. Torre gets the nod if somehow Ricketts goes all in to win next year — which might not be advisable considering Hendry’s history with checkbooks.
My main objection to Sandberg stemmed from the cries to bring him in NOW, which I think would be pointless at best and a disservice to Ryno at worst. But given a fresh start in 2011, I’d be OK with Sandberg as our new manager.
torre is either staying with the dodgers or retiring
by jesus christos on Jul 20, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
You're almost certainly right.
But I’ve always been a Torre fan.
So you're saying there's a chance?
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 20, 2010 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
WE LANDED ON THE MOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We can't win at home. We can't win on the road. I just can't figure out where else to play!
-- Pat Williams
by Fat Punk Kicker on Jul 20, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
No we didn't
That’s a conspiracy or didn’t you know?
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Same guys that knocked down the twin towers...duh.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 20, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I prefer Theriot conspiracies
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 20, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
He is related to Scrappy-Do?
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jul 20, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm kind of puzzled by this not being a fanpost...
And if I were management and had already concluded only Sandberg is right for the job…despite sending him to manage in the minors, I don’t think they have given it enough consideration.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 20, 2010 5:14 PM CDT reply actions
I give Sandberg 5/2 odds
Because, sadly, Hendry is staying:
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 20, 2010 5:20 PM CDT reply actions
I'd say that is a safe bet
Grrr on Jimbo staying. I was hoping for whole management change.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 20, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
My $0.02
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2010/7/20/1579259/ricketts-hendry-is-his-gm-into-nex#42501899
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Don't bank on Hendry...
…staying very long.
Clearly, Ricketts was uncomfortable at the press conference today and if you read between the lines, he didn’t exactly give Hendry any long term committment. He said he would “start next year as GM”. To me, that means he may take some time to find his replacement and or Hendry will have a new boss of baseball operations to baby sit him until his contract runs out.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Torre's not coming back to the Dodgers...
….. the team is gradually disintegrating and his contract is up. He wants no more to do with the McCourts. If he’a available, the Cubs should do whatever it takes to make him the manager. Give him a 2-3 year deal, make Sandberg the bench coach. Sandberg needs to see and learn more just from serving his time in the minors. Torre’s done the same for Mattingly. Namng Torre would be tantamount to bringing in a Phil Jackson. He’s winner. He’s stable, and he’s got the experience the platers will listen to and respect.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Torre just turned 70 this week
The team already has a manager who sleeps during each game. Not to mention the amount of ensure and geritol the club would have to buy.
We can't win at home. We can't win on the road. I just can't figure out where else to play!
-- Pat Williams
by Fat Punk Kicker on Jul 20, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm guesing you're nowhere close to 50
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
There is quite a diference in 50 and 70
We can't win at home. We can't win on the road. I just can't figure out where else to play!
-- Pat Williams
by Fat Punk Kicker on Jul 21, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
You missed the point
You’d have to be a certain age to know what I mean. The older you get, for many people, the more you don’t feel your age. I’m over 50. I don’t feel like it. I feel like I’m 25-30 most days. I’m guessing Torre feels similarly.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Torre retires. (Period.)
Why would a 70-year-old man who had done it all already want this inferno of a job? Sandberg gets the “Cub Experience.” No more big-name managers. Give Ryno a chance.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 20, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the problem, SDSJM
I don’t want someone who gets the “Cub Experience,” at least as his only experience. The Cub Experience hasn’t been anything to write home about.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Throw a bunch of money at him.
And the fact that if he get the Cubs to a World Series Ring he will be a baseball GOD.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jul 20, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
That's exactly what the Cubs should do
to Joe Girardi.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Why would Girardi
come here and deal with a roster 2 years from contention and a owner with shallow pockets when he could stay in New York with the biggest payroll and best team in baseball?
That doesn’t seem likely.
Plus, all we know about Girardi as a manager is that he couldn’t survive in Florida and he hasn’t screwed up the best roster in baseball.
DEJESUS!!!
For one thing, the roster isn't necessarily two years from contention
For another thing, he’s been there, done that with the Yankees.
He grew up in East Peoria and was a Cubs fan as a kid. He played for the team, too. Winning there would be the ultimate challenge, like it would be for anybody.
Plus his family doesn’t like NY, from what I hear, and misses Chicago.
Not saying it’s likely, but not saying it should be ruled out summarily.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs division sucks...
…and if you have a GM that can make some shrewd roster adjustments (I mean the ones that don’t require big checks), you can compete in this division.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Tend to agree...
…young big league managers make mistakes and they also have to learn how to deal with the egos of the big dollar veteran players in today’s game. Learning these skills takes time (2-3 years) and you have to factor in that Sandberg just isn’t going to be as polished as someone who has been through the big league ringer already and won.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Maybe, Maybe Not
He’s telling people off the record he’s sign for the “right situation”. He’s had his fill of the McCourts.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Hey has scary eyes but not as scary as these:
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jul 20, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
President of the Ryan Braun Fan Club
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
My least favorite baseball player in all of baseball
Culvers here in Madison is doing a give away with him. So when I go there I have to see a picture of the bug eyed weirdo
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 20, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll re-post since I posted this at the very end of the other thread.
I’m not sure Ryno is manager material…yet. Girardi is my first choice. Ryno would be an excellent bench coach, keep Rudy, get rid of Rothschild and bring in Maddux as the pitching coach. I can dream, right?
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
Ryno has paid his dues
He deserves a shot just like anyone else.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
No argument there.
But I just don’t think he’d do as good of a job as Girardi…that’s just me. I’d rather have someone who’s done it all before, went through the postseason, and won a World Series, which Girardi has. I don’t care if the payroll was 200 million. He’s a World Series champion manager. End of story.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
And I'd take a Lou that was Girardi's age in a heartbeat
Lou’s issue is that he’s at the age when most males are fishing every day.
What makes you--or anybody else--think that Girardi will leave the Yankees?
It’s a serious question.
Well obviously I don't know if he'll stay or not.
All I’m saying is IF the oppurtunity were to present itself and Joe were to say yes, then he’s my first choice. Bar none. Ryno comes in second, Brenly third.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
Girardi coming to Chicago is a big if
And they have enough complaints about his managing in New York. No thanks.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
New Yorkers complain about everything...
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
No complaints on this blog.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 20, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
heehee
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jul 20, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
i don't sere that happening
girardi just pushes buttons in ny anyway. he has an all-star at every position and has all the pitching a team could ever dream of
by brian custer on Jul 20, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
So you'd hire Girardi with his heir apparent on his bench?
Not such a good idea for morale.
And, once again I have to defend Larry Rothschild, BCB’s favorite coach for whipping boy.
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 20, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with you on Rothschild
He’s considered among the best pitching coaches in the business … well, by people outside Chicago, at least.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I wasn't thrilled with him before but have seen the last few years he is doing a good job.
If you let him go you need to have a better person in mind, and I’d sure want to look at his credentials.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 20, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed, he should stick
"They say the glee team has lured straggler into sniper traps with cheery renditions of hit songs." "Really? And people fall for that?"
Yes, I would.
You tell me…who’s had more experience pitching at the major league level – Larry Rothschild or Greg Maddux?
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
Yet the question is not about actual pitching
It’s about coaching. Rothschild has proven his worth as a pitching coach.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
I don't think Maddux will take the job anyway. At least not now.
But that’s what I WANT to happen. Best case scenario.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
I'm not Doggie Stalker... so I don't have all Maddux facts memorized
But I believe I read that he said something about his son getting drivers license, and he’s always said he wants to see his kids grow up.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 20, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Too bad there isn't a Larry Rothschild Reality Show
So we can see how he coaches, his interactions with players & Piniella, downtime at home, his favorite South Beach clubs and boutiques.
I'm with Badger on this one
If it were someone like Lou was before this season, a guy who’s going to retire in a year or two, you bring in the heir apparent as a bench coach. You don’t do that with a relatively young manager.
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
That doesn't address the Sandberg/Girardi idea
Which, quite simply, is horrid organizational strategy – in ANY business.
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 20, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
On the list of coaches, manager, etc on the Cubs
he’s not on bad list
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 20, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
1) I don’t NY going to let him go, and they NEVER do extensions during the season.
2`) If they did and Ryno became bench coach, I’m guessing he won’t be heir apparent, that he would take the opportunity for another team.
3) Ted Lilly is cool
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 20, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
If the Cubs think this maybe they will have a chance against him
Wesley Wright is not only going to win the Cy Young some day, he will find a cure for my allergies to both chocolate and lilacs.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 20, 2010 5:29 PM CDT reply actions
I wonder how you'd respond to chocolate lilacs
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 20, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
actually chocolate gives me hives
and lilacs are respiratory.
So I would itch & sneeze.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 20, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I've read in previous articles that Ricketts
is a big Sandberg fan. Me too!
"I f***ing hate the Eagles, man!" - The Dude
I'm a huge fan of course, still not sure he's the best guy for the job until I see who else is considered.
Man Al should have posted an overflow thread for Pinella. This is gonna go on forever.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 20, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I read the Lou thread when there was maybe 50 comments
When I got home there was 400+ and I didn’t/ don’t have time for that much reading considering I’m guessing there are a couple repeating themes
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 20, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
thats what I meant :)
I’ll make one maybe two snide comments at someone. but then I normally just log off bcb
But maybe it’s b/c I would lose a pissing contest LOL
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 20, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
i am looking forward to being convinced
why it shouldn’t be valentine. in my mind he is, by far, the most qualified for the job.
Off topic question.
Why does the time for comments show as PDT?
"I f***ing hate the Eagles, man!" - The Dude
It says CDT on my computer.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Pitch well tonight Ryan!!
With Hendry staying I hope he hires the right guy to manage this team.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
I'm starting the bandwagon
Ted Lilly for manager.
by cubbybear on Jul 20, 2010 5:46 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
Who's gonna be stupid enough to tell him no?
Rec’d.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 20, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Seconded on Ted Litty for manager!
Seriously, though, when Ted Lilly is done playing, I think he ought to consider becoming a pitching coach.
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain
Maddux has said he is NOT taking a full time job
for a couple of years. I know a lot of you did not believe me when I would post this, but he said it himself last week. Let him spend some time with his family while he actually learns parts of the game he did not know, which is what he is doing. My guess is he will spend a bit more time with the Cubs next year than last year.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
I've seen that in print as well.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 20, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Ryan Theriot for manager
Everyone here would squirm and scream if that happened.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
I might set fire to Wrigley
"They say the glee team has lured straggler into sniper traps with cheery renditions of hit songs." "Really? And people fall for that?"
At least he would be in the dugout
And not leading off and/or killing rallies!
by mr_einstein on Jul 20, 2010 8:54 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Why only Sandberg or Girardi?
Does it HAVE to be a former Cub? I do not get this, there are any number of other choices. Would it be a good story? Sure. Is it the right choice? Maybe. Can it come from outside the organization? Yes.
This whole Pinella retiring thing, is a non-story. Everybody knew ( or figured ) this was it for Lou. This was done to take the “Fire Lou” screamers off the Cubs back. They could have given Lou the dreaded vote of confidence, instead they asked him to announce his retirement thus quieting the screamers and saying he is the manager till the end of the season.
Who else?
Sandberg and Girardi aren’t being mentioned only because they’re Cubs, but because they’re good candidates. Who else would you hire?
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
torre will either be a dodger or retire
and a big no thanks to brenly
by jesus christos on Jul 20, 2010 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm wavering on Torre
Used to be interested, now I’m not sure he’s a touch too old. Brenly had one good season, I’m not sure you could Trammel even had that and Listach is the biggest gamble of the bunch.
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
I agree with you others should be considered.
But there are names in that list that won’t take the job. Torre for one. Heck Girardi probably won’t either for that matter. Trammell? no thanks.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 20, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
It's got to be Sandberg
Having come up through the ranks — IIRC correctly, he’s managed at A, AA and AAA — Sandberg has had a chance to leave an imprint on the Cubs entire farm system. He’s taught prospects at every level of the organization and many of them will be familiar with the way Sandberg likes to do things. He won’t have to come in and try to get the veterans and the prospects to buy into his system — the prospects have largely grown up in his system and he’ll probably be better able to relate to most of the veterans than Lou was.
I’d love Maddux to be he pitching coach … but let’s not get greedy. ;)
Team Speed Kills. All SEC, all the time.
TRAMMELL...
should be the obvious choice Al. Clue in!
what he had to work with, with Randy Smith’s Tigers…he SO deserves a second chance. And this needs to be it. There is no better fit with this orgarnization (other than Joe G.) than Trammell.
+1
Trammell wasnt ready then, just as Ryno isnt now. Put Ryno on the bench for a few years. i dont see him get any managing offers anywhere else.
by holy mackeral on Jul 20, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
The time is now
My biggest concern with not hiring Ryno is that some other organization will. Pat Listach would be a great bench coach. Thanks for mentioning him too Al.
Let them
If Ryno really wants to manage that badly, he can go to a low-pressure job like the Royals or Orioles and see if he likes it.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
That said,
if he wanted to be a bench coach for the Cubs, I’d welcome him with open arms. But not for the top job.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Ryno has proven he likes managing.
What other reason could there be for managing at all levels in the minors?
Calling the manager of the Royals and the Orioles a “low-pressure job” is pretty insulting. Granted they have fallen on hard times lately but they are Major League teams with a history of winning.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living. ~Alvin Dark
The other sports are just sports. Baseball is a love. ~Bryant Gumbel, 1981
Nothing insulting about it
If you think the Cubs job has as much pressure as the Royals job or the Orioles job … well, I can’t help you.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
will my posting be so bold
Let me see ..
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
yes it will
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jul 20, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
hello senorita .. we need to do some serious twirling tonight
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
yes we sure do..... 1-2-3 twirling!
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jul 20, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Why is everything bold?
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
bold days demand bold words
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
cuz the Cubs are going to come out tonight and start boldly going where they havent gone in over 100 years!
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jul 20, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
cooliogirl, you are are a Cubs fan after my heart ! Get ready ..
1, 2, 3 ..
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
Demp's going to shut out the Astros
have a sip, madame ..
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
yum! thanks
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jul 20, 2010 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
TWSS
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I like my Blue Kool-Aid Shaken, Not Stired.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jul 20, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
oooo I'll take some of that too, please
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jul 20, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Was wonnering that myself. Started halfway through the thread.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 20, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
line ups anyone???
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 20, 2010 6:45 PM CDT reply actions
my wild guess...
Colvin, Castro, Lee, Ramirez, Byrd, Sori, Soto, Theriot, Demp.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
would be mine also
I suppose I can wait 15 minutes and find out the way I use to
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 20, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
but since its officially lame duck period
who knows? maybe hell have demp lead off
by jesus christos on Jul 20, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Dave Martinez
I still have to advocate for Dave Martinez, current bench coach for the Rays. It seems that, for managers, we always turn to ceremonial warhorses: (Lou, Dusty, etc.). Brenly, though I have come to treasure his abstract (at times) commentary, is another in the old-school line. I love Ryno, but can’t seem him as more of a figurehead in such a position at the big-league level. Davey is a Girardi-esque pic: a younger player’s coach with some zest.
Make it happen.
**just curious b/c I don't see them anywhere**
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 20, 2010 6:47 PM CDT reply actions
So I will be watching the Houston broadcast again
Fiddlesticks.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Lineup
Tyler….rf
Darlin’…SS
DP……1b
Rami…3b
Byrd….gobbling up everything the others can’t get to
Sori Lf
Soto…still out of the doghouse
Too aggressive to walk….2b
Demp. Check your undies for Icy Hot.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 20, 2010 6:56 PM CDT reply actions
...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 20, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Wrestler Shawn Michaels
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Awesome is not a strong enough word for that gif.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jul 20, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
How about
soul shattering
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
I called it...
Well, any mustached 2 year old from Mongolia could have called it.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Well sure, the lineup has been out for an hour at least.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 20, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
So what happens to "Too aggressive to walk" when Lou leaves?
I really think we need a new manager that values scrappiness.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jul 20, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Teams like the Angels,who have good managers, would be on the wall about it...
while teams like the Orioles would be like “what the heck, sure.” That’s what I think anyway.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Teams like the Angels,who have good managers, would be on the wall about it...
while teams like the Orioles would be like “what the heck, sure.” That’s what I think anyway.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
WTH?!?!?
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Wall, fence, Ringo Starr's nose...
It all means the same thing.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
I definately think that Trammell should be considered, but
he should definately be kept on the staff. I do think that it is time to part ways with Rothschild. He’s done all that he can do with the staff, but can’t keep or couldn’t keep Zambrano contained. With so many runs being scored in the first few innings that usual, I would say his influence has worn off. My opinion is Sandberg as manager, Trammell stays bench coach, DeJesus is on the bases, (only if they get rid of Theriot, if you keep Theriot it’s going to take someone else on the bases, maybe Cora), and Greg Maddux as the pitching coach.
Lloyd McClendon
He is a former Cub, and I believe he was very underrated in Pittsburgh. He knows how to handle a pitching staff and knows how to develop young talent.
He has been: manager, hitting coach, bullpen coach, and bench coach
I love Lloyd
He is on my short interview list.
Also what about Freddi Gonzo formally from florda?
Why is everything bold?
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
I'm more concerned on who
Jim Hendry’s and Crane Kenney’s successors are going to be. This mess CANNOT be fixed by changing the field manager and his coaches. It goes MUCH, MUCH HIGHER.
Obviously Ricketts wasn’t going to tip his hand at yesterday’s press conference so we’ll just have to wait until Oct/Nov. Then again he said the Cubs had a successful off season. Yikes!
Just win the next game...!
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