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Here is a Tweet from Gordon Wittenmyer of the Sun-times:

Ricketts: Hendry is his GM into next year. Says has confidence in the organization's direction.

This either means Ricketts is going to Fire Hendry next week or Ricketts is confident that Hendry is going to blow up this team.

He has confidence in the teams Direction? I'll show you the the teams direction:

2008: 97 and 64
2009: 83 and 78
2010: 72 and 90 (Projected)

I'm confident the teams directions too, it's $^%ing DOWN!!!!

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that's just a horrible idea and screw you Ricketts if so.

I’ve heard this a lot today, and while I think it’s true I would feel better reading it on a website with someone’s name behind it . Man this is a horrible idea and I’m sure I’m just holding out faint hope it was misstated or just turns out that we hire someone new for next year.

Shut Up Joe Morgan

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 20, 2010 5:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Sorry,SET

Take it from me — delusions of this nature are best nipped in the bud!

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 20, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

nah.

I’m a positive person and if that brings sneering from people at moments, I’ll take it and smile.

Shut Up Joe Morgan

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 21, 2010 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Optimism is good

But sometimes, it’s better to face the disappointing reality…

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 21, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh god damn it.

The horror…. the horror….

Someone is going to have $60M or so to spend after the 2011 season. The Yankees see that kind of cash and think “Mark Teixeira and CC Sabathia.”

The last time Hendry had that kind of cash, he blew it on Alfonso Soriano and an entire roster of $4M middle relievers and backups.

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by D98 on Jul 20, 2010 5:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Good

Hendry deserves to stay, albeit on a short leash.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2010 5:48 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed.

The front office should all be examined with a fine tooth comb. My only hope (and it’s slim) is that Hendry is being given this VOC for stability in making moves for the rest of the season, and then will be let go.

Shut Up Joe Morgan

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 20, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, because I get off on people who do a good job

Hendry has hit more often than he has missed.

But like I said, his leash will be short, and it probably should be.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

He has constructed a team

that has gotten progressively worse 2 years running, depsite growing payrolls.

The team is now in transition. If you leave Hendry there, you’re likely to spend your money on middling talents to above-market contracts. You’re not likely to trade away the assets you have at the deadline, because you are more worried about making yourself look good than the long term solvency of the team.

If you hire someone new, they’ll be worried about the next 3 years, not the next 6 months.

I can’t imagine a worse decision for the Cubs than bringing Hendry back. Yes, he has done some good things. But you know what, ALL GMs would’ve done some good things with 140 million dollars a year. The problem with Hendry is he’s getting about 40 cents on the dollar for his money right now.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jul 20, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just don't understand you.

You don’t think Lou did that bad a job as manager, you don’t think Hendry did a poor job as general manager. So who exactly do you think is to blame for the team regressing for two straight years?

by HuskerCorner on Jul 20, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

DING DING! We have a winner!

But it’s a lot easier to blame the manager and GM.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would argue that the GM is the one who brought in said players

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jul 20, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

No one is totally free of blame

But the GM doesn’t hold the bat or balls. Yet, we hold him by his balls… doesnt seem fair.

by bdlugz on Jul 20, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

fair enough

There’s been lots of blame to be had this year.

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jul 20, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you aren't judging the GM by wins and losses, what standard are you applying?

Earnings? Attendance?

Hendry was a really, really lousy architect of the Cubs’ minor league system. He then proceeded to spend an amount of money that only a few teams (primarily Boston and NYY) have ever spent in the history of MLB (and then only recently) without acquiring a single impact player.

Think about that. $145MM this year, and not one impact player to show for it. It takes a Monty Brewster to spend that inefficiently.

They’re going to have a ton of cash to spend in 2012, and it looks like it’s going to be Hendry’s second go-round with unprecedented amounts of money.

I hope that this time he targets and signs difference-makers instead of pissing it all away on 2nd tier guys, backup catchers and middle relievers.

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by D98 on Jul 20, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im not exonerating Hendry by any means.

Im simply stating that 2006 was a very unusual year for the Cubs, and I feel like Hendry was placed in the middle of that mess. I think outside of a few bad contracts more or less pushed on him by the Trib, he’s done an average to slightly above average job.

by bdlugz on Jul 20, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cubs won back to back division titles in 2007 and 2008.

Who was the architect of that squad.

SAME PERSON?! No way!

by bdlugz on Jul 20, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Funny, haven't Cubs fans bitched for years

about the Trib NOT spending any money? So now when they do, they bitch again?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not bitching at the Tribune

Although I could see how it looks that way.

by shoemile on Jul 20, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've heard this argument a lot about Hendry.

And if it really is true, then I’d say that’s still a good reason not to trust him. It’s his job to make a reasonable signing, and if he’s just following corporate wishes and being a yes man with a lot of trades, not only do we not really have any idea what his real competence is, but we also know you can’t rely on him to stand up and say, this is a bad deal and I don’t want to make it. Ricketts is an unknown quantity, I’d like a GM in place that says I want these deals and if you don’t , hire someone else. It’s not like he’s working for Steinbrenner.

Shut Up Joe Morgan

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 21, 2010 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

In all my years...

…watching baseball, I have never seen another GM be as teflon as Jim Hendry. Excuses from; the manager made him do it, to the owner made him do it are really getting old.

A GM has a straight forward job and that is to build a strong baseball organization and to make good decisions in building a roster. Giving the fact Hendry has had ample resources (more than any other NL GM), I fail to see how an owner can sit by and say this is the guy I want to lead us forward.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jul 21, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'm a bit confused by the double-standard WRT World Series wins.

Hendry has done a “good job”, despite his lack of association with any Series winner (or title winner at any level), either prior to or during his time with the Cubs, and the Cubs’ rather shocking ROI on player investments.

Sandberg, on the other hand, cannot be considered for a MLB field manager role b/c he has yet to sit on the bench as a role player or random member of the coaching staff for a Series winner.

MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown

by D98 on Jul 20, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Point A to Point B ... Point B to Point C

Since I’m ignoring you, D98, that’s all I’m going to say about it.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh for the love of pete.

I’ll translate this post:

“I can’t actually explain my logic when it is dissected, so instead I’ll make some vague comment, and then claim I’m ignoring you”

Both immature AND nonsensical. Congrats on the double-play

by HuskerCorner on Jul 21, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very rarely...

…does a GM in any sport, get to hire 3 managers/coaches without having sustained success.

Having the highest payroll in the NL for two straight years and missing the playoffs, should be the straw that broke the camels back.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jul 20, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd d98

"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland

And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 20, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Recd

d98
 All you have to do is look at Dome, Zambrano, Soriano’s ( the length ) Grabow, Dempster, Milton “freaking” Bradley.
 Sure he had hits, Lilly, Byrd, the trade for Ramy/Lofton.
 But for the most part Hendry has done “C” work. With the money he has to work with a “C” doesn’t get it done. The Dome and Bradley signings were crucial signings that really have hurt the structure of this team.

by Grockcubs on Jul 20, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with ya...

…and as a Cub’s fan, I hope and pray today was just Ricketts blowing smoke because he has to show his GM some level of support 11 days before the trade deadline.

Ricketts looked very uncomfortable today and I think the reason why he was not comfortable saying what he felt he had to say. He said Hendry would “start” as GM going into next season which when you read between the lines, is not a ringing endorsement. I think Ricketts may hire a boss for Hendry and have him watched until he doesn’t have to pay his contract anymore, and than let his new guy hire his own GM.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jul 20, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll keep this short and sweet for now...

…since I have a ton of work to do before a meeting/mixer tonight.

In the main, I feel nothing of significance will improve as long as Jim Hendry is on the job as Cubs GM. I also feel there couldn’t be a worse person for this particular job than Jim Hendry. He overvalues toolsy skill sets, disproportionately pays mediocre players, and ties up roster flexibility with NTCs and contracts that always seem to be 2-3 years longer than they need to be. Those kinds of things are lethal for a team with a $140M payroll.

Still, there’s one thing that could keep this shit sandwich from being a double decker one. And that’s the possibility of another set of eyes looking over every one of Hendry’s proposals and keeping him from making the kinds of mistakes that has plagued him and the franchise during his tenure. Whether it’s a new Team President or Ari Kaplan or a new golfing buddy, that person MUST review every trade idea, FA offer, and draft choice Hendry comes up with and kill the ones that waste resources and hamstring the club’s flexibility and future.

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jul 20, 2010 6:16 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

my hunch is that

the only person above hendry on the baseball operations side is … well, ricketts.

To be honest, I didn’t think this possible a month ago, but since then, every indication coming out was that he was going to stay, so this isn’t that shocking.

My whole feeling on it? I don’t mind, but I am mildly surprised. I thought Ricketts might want his own guy in there. I’ve never thought Hendry was as bad as some made it out to be (as with many things in life, the bad often stands out moreso than the good), but I never thought he was a good GM either.

I have to imagine 2011 is make or break, though.

by toonsterwu on Jul 20, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Everything Ricketts has done so far

has given the indication that he doesn’t want to overspend on the team. The team drafted below slot, they didn’t sign any significant international players, and so far they’ve told teams (according to rumors) that they won’t send money in deals.

I think part of Ricketts reasoning might be that he doesn’t want to buy out Hendry’s contract.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jul 20, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're jumping to WILD assumptions.

Can we PLEASE wait more than a few months before we start talking about what kind of owner Ricketts is? You don’t know what he’s willing to do. In fact, I could counter saying that Ricketts said at the beginning of the year he’d have NO problem opening up his wallet to the tune of $5M if there was a player out there available that was the difference between winning and losing.

You have no idea what you’re talking about, and either do I – but let’s not claim one thing or the other.

by bdlugz on Jul 20, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

2 points

The Cubs draft spending might end up being more than before, depending on the numbers for Golden, Wells, and whoever else signs. Whether or not it’s wise spending is a separate question.

The Cubs have invested in international signings this year. Jin-Yeong Kim, unless I’m mistaken, falls under Ricketts watch, and he got first round money. Keep in mind that the Cubs not spending big in Latin America shouldn’t be a reflection on Ricketts – the current leadership believes in spreading the money around in Latin America.

by toonsterwu on Jul 20, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

well that's not a good thing, since 2011 should be considered a rebuilding year.

This is why this move stinks outloud. We aren’t going to compete next year. Yet Hendry is going to hand out bad contracts to mediocre players ala the Kansas City Royals in an attempt to keep his job.

Ricketts has hurt the long term future of this team by keeping a lame duck GM around

by HuskerCorner on Jul 20, 2010 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll make a bet with you...

Hendry has what is generally referred to by the “experts” as a strong offseason, even if it is very simple moves and low key signings.

I’d be happy to put $50 up to Cubs Care as a wager.

by bdlugz on Jul 20, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

who are the "experts"? Are they the same ones who thought we'd win the division last year?

Why would I offer up my money based on people that have already been horrendously wrong?

by HuskerCorner on Jul 21, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Where's your crystal ball, Nostradamus?

The Cubs aren’t going to compete in 2011? Really? You know this how? What are the Powerball numbers tomorrow night, while you’re at it?

If they won’t compete until then, I guess that means you’ll be going away until 2012. Yay!

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm considering leaving until 2014

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jul 20, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

You think $18M from Soriano is going to stop this team from competing until 2014??

You realize that a team with a $150MM payroll can easily hide a bad contract, correct?

by bdlugz on Jul 20, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just to make sure I wasn't the crazy one,

I spoke to five Cubs-fan friends today after the announcement was made. Not one wanted Sandberg as manager. In fact, with each one, it just wasn’t not, but “Hell, no.”

After an afternoon in the Through-The-Looking-Glass world that is BCB, I felt much better.

Now, back to the silence for you.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a good thing I like Lewis Carroll

or I might take offense to that remark! :-p

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jul 20, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guess it depends

on which side of the looking glass your’e on. ;)

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jul 20, 2010 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, if you asked 5 of your friends, I guess that settles it.

You have been consistently wrong for many years.

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by D98 on Jul 20, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Although I agree with your thoughts on Hendry in here for the most part.

I think that Ryno is exactly what this club needs next year UNLESS we can get Girardi or Torre somehow.

by bdlugz on Jul 20, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

one gets the feeling

that Hendry was never a lame-duck this year. The beat writers have hinted that Hendry was fairly safe for awhile now.

Before we assume Hendry will slap out contracts, keep in mind that the rebuilding process has started this year. There’s nothing wrong with finding stopgaps to give kids time during a rebuilding process, assuming that is the plan.

Of course, you may be right, and maybe he hands out crazy contracts. Only time will tell.

by toonsterwu on Jul 20, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dear Mr. Ricketts,

Ugh.

At least get rid of the damn blue jerseys.

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 20, 2010 7:01 PM CDT reply actions  

So you want to pay Hendry his 2-year deal for not working?

There are plenty of his other bad contracts to deal with.
As posted earlier, I suspect Hendry will be on a short leash. Tribco checked off on all of his deals. Will Ricketts? We don’t know.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 20, 2010 7:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Sunk cost

You want to justify it by letting him make poor moves??

by Shanghai Badger on Jul 20, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes, absolutely

at least he can’t screw this franchise up any further

by HuskerCorner on Jul 20, 2010 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Re-assign him.

My theory is, keep him with the team and move him somewhere like scouting (not a suggestion, just throwing a placement out there). That way, nobody has to necessarily eat his contract.

by ZachenFoot on Jul 21, 2010 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Welp, I said I would wait to see what Ricketts did with Hendry before I formed a solid opinion on him

And now that he has decided to keep him….Tom Ricketts, you can shove it right up your ass.

He’s either a moron, or so money conscious that he’s willing to hurt the franchise in order to save money on a buyout. As far as decision making goes he’s looking like Aaron Miles at the plate. One crappy move after another.

by HuskerCorner on Jul 20, 2010 7:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm sure I'll get ripped apart here, but it's worth me at least offering my thoughts

I think a lot of you, at the end of the day, ask yourselves one simple question in regards to judging Jim Hendry: “Am I happy with the current state of the Chicago Cubs.” Undoubtedly, your answer to this question is no, however, you have to follow up with the thought, "How much of this mess is because of Hendry, and how much of this mess is because the Tribune more or less forced his hand to make many of these deals currently holding down the club.

I find it funny that there were very few to no complaints about the job Hendry did until last year. It was made quite clear that the Tribune was opening a VERY small window to try and win the world series while they still owned the club, and it was obvious they pushed Hendry to open that window by finally, after 20+ years of ownership opening up the purse strings as a top national league market should.

Now – do I think that Hendry is the best in the business at what he does? No. But I think that with many of his moves, his recent work with Wilken to develop a deep farm system with some great defensive players with speed, baserunning ability, and patience up the middle where teams try the hardest to build, he has shown he is more than just an unwise spender.

I’m not writing this as a Hendry apologist, but more as a Cub realist. I can honestly say I believe it wouldn’t matter if we had Theo or Beane as a GM after that 2006 season, we would be in a very similar situation. I don’t think Hendry deserves an extension, and he may not even deserve to finish his last 2 years here, but if I was the owner I would certainly be interested to see what he could do with 1 more year.

Now, feel free to rip me apart, but I’d rather have someone who knows the organization, knows the players, and knows the front office personnel build up around our young players. Hopefully Hendry succeeds this trade deadline and this offseason and we see a decent core surrounded by a great young group of guys in 2011, however, if he doesn’t, I think we’d still be able to go out and grab a strong candidate like Ng or Towers for the 2012 season.

I welcome opinions, and I don’t claim that this is the right, or the only answer. I just feel like at times a few of the more vocal posters make a clear channel that discussions go down, and the rest follow down with torches blazing. This is just my 2 cents, which is worth exactly that, 2 cents.

by bdlugz on Jul 20, 2010 7:59 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

This isn't bad, but there's one part that isn't quite right
I find it funny that there were very few to no complaints about the job Hendry did until last year.

That’s just not true.

Hendry does not get enough credit for his successes, but there were plenty of moves (and non-moves) that looked bad at the time and proved to be just that. The Pierre deal and Z extension were two such moves (while admitting that some certainly supported those moves).

Even some of the “successes” come with flip sides. Take Jason Marquis. This deal was blasted at the time, but Marquis turned out to be a very solid 5th starter. So was this deal a “success”? Given the cost of the contract, I would still argue no… it just turned out to be not as bad as we thought. At his peak, Marquis was a solid 5th starter or even a fringe 4th starter. But at $9M? Isn’t that money better spent somewhere else while getting similar production from someone much cheaper?

All that said, Hendry’s biggest failing BY FAR is buckling to his manager. He always has gone out and gotten “Dusty guys” or whatever Lou wanted (get more left-handed… obsess over a LOOGY, etc.). And if Hendry really agreed with all of those moves… well, that’s all the more reason he should go.

Shut up Joe Morgan.

by fsuapollo on Jul 20, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Fair enough.

Obviously, I didn’t look back years on here to determine popular opinion. On the other hand, I’ve never seen such angst for Hendry as I have the last 12-18 months here.

by bdlugz on Jul 20, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Bradley

and Dome signings did me in. I always thought Hendry did a decent job, those two contracts were horrible. Bradley sign was the worst, no one in MLB would of signed Bradley for 3 years, no one.

by Grockcubs on Jul 20, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bradley was bad, and indefensible.

Dome had similar interest, and reportedly better offers from other teams.

by bdlugz on Jul 20, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree on Bradley

Disagree on Dome. That contract is actually kind of what I think bdlugz is talking about.

MANY people thought Dome was another Hideki Matsui… and the Cubs had stiff competition for his FA signature. In fact, he actually took less money to sign with the Cubs than he could have from the CHWS.

Now, it certainly turned out to be a bad deal… and the accumulation of NTCs is truly stupefying.

In fact, NTCs might be my biggest issue with Hendry. Here is a list of players Hendry can not “freely” trade (meaning send them anywhere). All of these players either have full or partial NTC or are 10-5 players:
Soriano (full NTC)
Z (full NTC)
ARam (full NTC, though according to Cot’s that goes away in 2011)
Dome (limited NTC)
Lee (NTC)
Lilly (limited NTC)
Samardzjia (NTC)

That is 28% of the roster (I count Shark, since they were/are counting on him). You just can’t do that to yourself.

Shut up Joe Morgan.

by fsuapollo on Jul 20, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

did not know that about Dome. Boy several teams wrong on him. Only if Dome thought the whole season was April.

by Grockcubs on Jul 20, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be fair...

…Z and DLee are 10-5 guys anyway, correct?

The NTC are fine for guys like ARam and Lilly, if you ask me. As you say, the Dome one is easily to say is BS in hindsight. Same with Sori.

Samardzija is the only one I have a BIG problem with.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jul 20, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Z will be at some point… Cot’s shows him with 8.042 years of service time, which I assume is being measured from the beginning of the 2010 season.

But he has a NTC, so the 10-5 for him is a rather moot point.

Shut up Joe Morgan.

by fsuapollo on Jul 20, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lee was not 10-5 yet when he signed the deal with the NTC. He is now…

Cot’s shows Z with just over 8 years service time, so he isn’t there yet.

Good catch below that ARam is a 10-5, so will have full trade refusal rights next year, as well.

I hated the one to Shark because I never liked his potential (Hendry’s infatuation with Notre Dame players)… but even that “made sense” if the idea was that you had to “buy” him away from football. It is understandable that Shark had leverage and didn’t want to sign with the Cubs and then be banished to the Pirates in a deal.

So, really, all the NTCs are “defensible” individually… just not collectively. Because you really can’t tie up over a quarter of your roster like that. It is just bad roster management.

Shut up Joe Morgan.

by fsuapollo on Jul 20, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate when I lose a post I'm in the middle of writing

I was working on a measured and thoughtful response to BD when the Interwebz gremlins took it away. Aargh! So I’ll do my best to sum up the points I was trying to make:

1) I would like to see Jim Hendry return to the minor league system where I think his strengths are best suited. He’s a guy who gets fully behind his players, and he has an understanding of just how hard it is to play baseball let alone make it all the way to the top. Plus, his inclinations to seek and acquire all-around guys with tools isn’t necessarily a bad thing at the level of combing the country for diamonds in the rough.

2) Jim has something of the cheerleader in him, and I don’t mean that in a negative way. It seems to me you’d want a guy who’s enthusiastic and who sees the upside of players working within the organization. Much about the Cubs sells itself to players (unless you’re Torii Hunter), and Hendry does a good job embodying that good will. He welcomes input and does his best to please those he works with. The man is likeable.

3) It’s the way Hendry goes about planning as a GM that really makes me shakes my head. I’ll cite Aaron Heilman as an example of how Jim can steadfastly lock his sights on a player, even if the guy’s numbers don’t bear out the unwavering interest. It also backfired when Rafael Furcal changed his mind and went to LA, and when the Jake Peavy deal didn’t come through. There weren’t any good fallback options after those players didn’t become Cubs, and in the case of Peavy the Cubs were stuck with the spare parts that the DeRosa deal brought.

3A) It was also during the 2005-2006 offseason that Hendry declared, “I’ve decided I like guys who can catch the ball”. While all GMs should value good defense, the issue with this statement was it implied that Hendry wasn’t working off a solid organizational philosophy. Couple that statement with his proclivity for roster construction based on the whims of the field manager, and you get an idea of why I think he’s not the best at planning beyond a year or two.

4) The contracts. The long, bloated, comes-with-a-no-trade-clause contracts. Now, BD is right when he says Hendry was under orders to spend, but to me he could have spent a little more wisely and a tad less generously.

5) I’m revoking my criticism of Hendry that he mismatches managers with the level of talent. Baker and Piniella are at their best when they’re handed a foolproof team bulging with talent that they can manage with the push of a button. I used to complain that the Cubs never had rosters like that, and therefore needed a LaRussa or Cox known for doing more with less. I used to think, “Why did Hendry pair mediocre rosters with managers that need powerhouses?” But now I understand that, in Hendry’s eyes, the talent on the Cubs was “powerhouse” level that underachieved because of bad breaks.

One final thing I’ll agree with BD on is that I prefer there being other paths of discussion than just the narrow ones that tend to take over the discourse.

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jul 20, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

God, it's so depressing to think we might actually end up missing the Tribune Co.

Spin this any way you want, the bottom line is that our new owner has absolutely no plan other than to tread water.

Keep improving the park Ricketts-it’s easier to do that then sweat out putting together a first class organization. . P.K. Wrigley is looking down at you with approval.

by bluekoolaide on Jul 20, 2010 8:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Too early.

Seriously, let’s hold off on these comments, they’re ridiculous.

by bdlugz on Jul 20, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ricketts' biggest mistake

would be hiring Sandberg.

To me, that would signal A) don’t bother being competitive for quite a while and B) that marketing and kowtowing to fans is more important than winning.

I’m reserving judgment on him until I see who is the next manager.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huh?

I’m not sure whether I’m for or against Ryno as the next manager, but how in the world do you come to the conclusion of “A”?

You… and many others… may not be the best fit for the job… but don’t pretend that Ryno is patently unqualified.

Feel free to debate whether he is the best candidate… selecting Ryno to manage would not be completely about marketing and appeasing the fans.

Shut up Joe Morgan.

by fsuapollo on Jul 20, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he wants to be a bench coach for the next manager, great

In fact, I think this would be a good move.

He is not qualified for this particular job, IMHO, although he is more qualified than I am. :)

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

why would you want

a bench coach who, by your statements, lacks intelligence or experience? What would he be there for—to fetch drinks? Typically the bench coach helps the manager make strategic decisions, he’s not there to be an understudy.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jul 20, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

But being a bench coach

apparently invalidates Oquendo and Cora from consideration.

We can play this game all night, boys and girls.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ryno's experience as a minor-league manager

outweighs being a major-league bench coach, according to the screaming masses on the other thread.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oquendo has 1 season as a MLB bench coach, 11 years ago.

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by D98 on Jul 20, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

This was brought up by the screaming masses in the Piniella thread.

At least that he didn’t have experience. NBF chooses it to be meaningful when he doesn’t want a guy, not when he does.

Shut Up Joe Morgan

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 21, 2010 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oquendo was only a bench coach for 1 year. In 1999.

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by D98 on Jul 20, 2010 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

So since you say Sandberg isn't qualified...

Would you lay out what the qualifications for manager are?

Because most people would probably think of a HoF playing career and 4 years beating the bushes in the minors to be reasonable credentials.

Again… you may not think he’s the right person for this job for a number of reasons (like other candidates better, want previous MLB managing experience, just don’t like the guy), but by most any reasonable account he is qualified to be a major league manager.

Shut up Joe Morgan.

by fsuapollo on Jul 20, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Technically, perhaps

Four years as a minor-league manager is sufficient for a job of the Cubs’ magnitude? Really?

I think Joe Maddon and Jim Tracy, to name two, had more experience in the minors and in the major leagues combined (not as players, mind you) than Ryno.

I can’t believe the Cubs will give the manager’s job to someone who has spent NOT ONE DAY in a position of authority in a major-league dugout.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 20, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

And plenty of successful managers spent less (or no) time in the minors

Tony LaRussa

The White Sox gave La Russa his first managerial opportunity in 1978 by naming him skipper of their Double-A affiliate, the Knoxville Sox of the Southern League. La Russa spent only a half-season at Knoxville before being promoted to the White Sox coaching staff when owner Bill Veeck changed managers from Bob Lemon to Larry Doby. But Doby struggled in the managerial role and was fired at the end of the season; Don Kessinger, former star shortstop of the crosstown Cubs, was named the White Sox’ player-manager for 1979, and La Russa was demoted to manager of the Triple-A Iowa Oaks of the American Association. But Kessinger was not the answer, either. The ChiSox were only 46–60 when he was fired and La Russa was summoned from Iowa, two-thirds of the way through the 1979 season. The White Sox played .500 baseball for the rest of the ‘79 campaign, and La Russa’s career was launched.

So that’s a total of about a season as minor league skipper and a half season as a major league assistant. He seems to have done okay for himself, winning two WS rings and placing third on the all-time wins list.

Joe Torre… never managed in the minors. He has won 4 WS rings as a manager.

Joe Girardi served one season as a bench coach before getting the Marlins’ top job. He spent no time in the minors and now has one WS ring as a manager.

If you want to make a statement like “the Cubs next manager should have MLB managing experience… after all, many of the top managers grow into the job at their second or third stop”, then that’s fine. You just need more than this:

I can’t believe the Cubs will give the manager’s job to someone who has spent NOT ONE DAY in a position of authority in a major-league dugout.

Shut up Joe Morgan.

by fsuapollo on Jul 20, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't believe I'm saying this...

…but I agree with you, NBF. Frankly I thought he should’ve been the bench coach this year.

I love Sandberg, my favorite Cub of all time. But I think we need to think with our heads and not our hearts. If we’re in “win now” mode, someone like Girardi would seem better suited for this job.

I think Sandberg could possess solid leadership qualities and add a new kind of managerial spark to this ballclub, but I just don’t know if he can be trusted with the group that Hendry put on the field.

I’m open to him proving me wrong, and I really hope he does, because I’m willing to bet everything I have that he will be managing the Cubs in 2011.

by ZachenFoot on Jul 21, 2010 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pardon my interpretation

But it seems as though you think Ryno could be good, except that Hendry put together a crap roster. Yet Girardi possess these miracle winning skills?

by shoemile on Jul 21, 2010 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe my phrasing was off.

What I’m trying to say is, yes, we have a terrible roster filled with guys who stopped responding to Lou. Girardi has the ring, and even without it, he proved he could turn around a sub-average team and make them a contender (2006 Marlins). He’s more PROVEN than Ryno is, but you raise a good point I realize but forgot to make, he may not be able to fix this team either.

I just don’t know if throwing Sandberg into this fire is a good idea. Like I said, I’d love for him to prove me wrong, and I really hope he does. Anything I say is just pure speculation and gut feelings, because the fact is, nobody really knows who will respond to what and who will succeed here once Lou is gone.

by ZachenFoot on Jul 21, 2010 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's my fear with Sandberg.

At least mine is that he will be hired for an awful team and ridden out of town when he’s not able to turn a turd into a winner, being a new MLB manager. He will have expectations of him that outside candidates wouldn’t regardless, and I’d like to see him given a reasonable chance to succeed if he is the best candidate for the job. If you hire him next year, given the prospects are low our 2011 team will contend, I’d hope he’s given a multiyear contract that is truly more than one year and we’ll fire you when the fans turn on you for losing.

Shut Up Joe Morgan

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 21, 2010 2:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fair response, Zach.

And hey, you make some solid points. I’m likely not going to switch anyone to my stance, I just feel that if it’s a terrible roster, then the manager is irrelevant. We’ve had 100 or so responses on Hendry being GM next year, and about 1,000 about the next possible manager.

I won’t claim that the manager is irrelevant, but compared to the GM? If you want to make real changes, you start at the top.

by shoemile on Jul 21, 2010 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

True.

And I think that last statement is something we could all agree on.

You’re right, if the roster is terrible, then the manager becomes a non factor because the men put on the field won’t respond to him. And if that becomes the case, then you look at the man who put that team on the field in the first place, like you said, “at the top.”

by ZachenFoot on Jul 21, 2010 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Which is why Ricketts’ decision that Hendry is sticking around has made me more livid than anything since the 08 collapse. And to be honest, it really just breaks me. I thought they were going to be different. I thought they were going to capitalize on the things that I’ve been claiming have been incredible built in advantages for the Chicago market and utilized by the Trib for Hendry. We were the best! We were the CHICAGO Cubs, the third biggest market in the US, and by far the biggest in the inferior (fiscally) NL!

And yet, at this juncture, it seems as though I’m wrong. Alas.

by shoemile on Jul 21, 2010 2:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

To be honest.

I haven’t been a Hendry fan since ‘06. It all started with not signing Beltran in 2005, and then trading Nolasco for Pierre was kind of the tip of the iceberg. I just thought we were headed in a bad direction with him at the helm, and was hoping he’d go with Dusty.

Four years, two playoff losses and about ten no-trade clauses later, he’s still here. We have a great market that we seem to take for granted, and sign based moreso on instinct and one-and-done seasons rather than career patterns and baggage, and that has been the death of this team.

Sure was in 2004, and again in 2009. Going on instinct and career stats is what got rid of guys like Damian Miller, Eric Karros, and Mark DeRosa, when the reality is there’s a whole lot more to baseball than just good statistics, and the three guys mentioned above provided that.

I’m not saying statistics are unimportant (because it sure seems like it) because naturally, you want the best you can get. But nobody can overlook the aspects of good leadership and a love for the city and team. Seems like Hendry has overlooked those aspects over the years, and it gets more and more frustrating each passing season.

by ZachenFoot on Jul 21, 2010 3:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't give up hope yet...

…that Ricketts understands what you are saying and yesterday was just him saying what he had to see before the deadline.

If not, my ballon will be burst if this flawed leadership is allowed to move forward.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jul 21, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

I really hope it was nothing but a "vote of confidence"

but I haven’t been impressed by many of the moves the Ricketts’ front office has made in “Year One” and this just seems to fit into that model

by HuskerCorner on Jul 21, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

You hope...

…his motivation is simply not the money that Hendry is owed and that is why he is moving slow. If that is the case, it will end up costing him a lot more in the long run.

We will learn a lot about Ricketts this offseason and I also believe the next 5 years or so will rely on what moves he does make. IMO, he desperately needs a fresh set of eyes from a good baseball man to oversee everything and we’ll see what happens.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jul 21, 2010 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

HEY NOSTRADAMUS!

So you KNOW that hiring Sandberg would signal not wanting to be competitive? What are the lottery numbers while you’re at it?

Fucking hypocrite

by HuskerCorner on Jul 21, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

someone needs a timeout

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Jul 22, 2010 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, this must be our lucky day!

POSTER’S NOTE: The above image is intended to convey sarcasm and gallows humor. It is in no way intended as an endorsement of fantasy characters, bestiality, urine fetishism, or Jim Hendry.

"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.

by Goodie1969 on Jul 20, 2010 8:55 PM CDT reply actions  

But can he write his name...and dot the "i"?

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jul 20, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Japan

He now rides a unicorn with a sword.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 20, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is this better?

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