A case for Pinella to make the Hall

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Simply put, NO!

As a player? A definite no.

As a manager? No. A lot of wins, but not much above .500 overall. Also, only one WS title (that was his only pennant, too) to show for all those wins. Often had teams that were good in the regular season but underachieved in the playoffs. I just do not see HOF.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Jul 21, 2010 10:12 AM CDT reply actions

Bobby Cox has only one WS tittle to show for all his wins, and he also had teams that were great in the regular season,

but choked in the playoffs. Are you saying that he’s not a Hall of Famer???

by braziliancubsfan on Jul 21, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions

Cox has way more wins that Piniella

There’s also the fact that he managed the Braves to 13 straight division titles, including two NL pennants and one WS title. That makes him a lock imo.

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jul 21, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions

still, the point that he made was that Piniella "nly one WS title (that was his only pennant, too) to show for all those wins"

see my point?

by braziliancubsfan on Jul 21, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions

I think the criticism of Piniella should focus on what happened with his teams

He had a boatload of Hall of Fame caliber talent in Seattle and never could get to the World Series. He should be judged mostly by what he did in Seattle because that’s where the bulk of Piniella’s numbers come from. His brief time as a manager of the Reds did net a pennant and WS title, but a pennant with Seattle or Chicago in addition to that would have made him a lock. If he stuck around with the Reds and had a run similar to Cox, you might have a discussion.

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jul 21, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions

if he gets one with chicago (i give it a 9% chance of that happening), would you put him in the HoF??

by braziliancubsfan on Jul 21, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions

A 9 percent chance of the Cubs winning the World Series this year?

Put down the cachaca

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 21, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions

what's cachaca??? i'd raise that number higher, but people would call me crazy.

because i believe that the Cubs are an underachieving team, not a bad team. Once their offense starts to click, watch out. It’s not like they are 20 games out, the Cardinals are red hot right now, but if the Cubs weep them, they’d be right there in the race.

by braziliancubsfan on Jul 21, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions

Cachaca is Brazilian rum

primary ingredient in caipirinha

You know, something actual Brazilians drink

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 21, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions

14 year olds?

Shut Up Joe Morgan

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 21, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions

yup, I AM Brazilian, born there, than moved when I was 6, and

just like every Brazilian, my favorite sport is soccer, but my favorite team is the Cubs.

by braziliancubsfan on Jul 21, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions

I know you are...have seen you post that before I think.

I didn’t think Worf knew you were 14 though is all I was saying. He expects you to know all about Brazilian rum at your age which is just an error on his part.

Shut Up Joe Morgan

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 22, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions

Oh, gotcha

by braziliancubsfan on Jul 23, 2010 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions

Minotauro Nogueira does not like soccer.

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by Craig in South Bend on Jul 23, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions

Is Cox in the HOF?

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Jul 21, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions

No, but he will be.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 21, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions

probably

He won a lot more games than Lou and made four more WS appearances, so they are hardly equivalent.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Jul 23, 2010 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions

Also...

… Lou had seven postseason appearances. Cox has 15 and might be in line for another one this year.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 23, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions

In total agreement, great article

"Don't shed any tears. You think about this: Here I am, the grandson of a slave. And here the whole world was excited about whether I was going into the Hall of Fame or not. We've come a long ways." BUCK O'NEIL

by HotDogDude on Jul 21, 2010 10:31 AM CDT via mobile reply actions

I think Piniella has a borderline case

Actually, the biggest marks against him are the 2001 Mariners and 2008 Cubs. That should be enough to keep him out for now if not forever. When you consider his contemporaries are three of the best managers of all time, there’s no way he gets in any time soon. LaRussa, Torre and Cox all deserve to get in. Those guys are slam dunks.

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jul 21, 2010 11:01 AM CDT reply actions

I agree with the first part

The 2001 Mariners especially are a stain on his resume.

But the whole bit about contemporaries in nonsense. The Hall shouldn’t give a damn about how many people are good at the same time. If there are 10 worthy managers right now, then all 10 should get in. If there are 10 worthy 1B, all10 should get in.

Either Pinella is a HoF (and I think not) or he isn’t. The fact that he and LaRussa were active at about the same time has nothing to do with it.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jul 21, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions

I'm not saying how it should be

I’m simply saying how it is. It’s the reason why Alan Trammell never got in despite having a worthy resume. He had the bad luck of playing at the same time as Ozzie Smith.

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jul 21, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions