A Summation Of The Cubs 2010 Season: No Timely Hitting, Bullpen Failure, Loss
There really isn't a whole lot to say about today's 4-3, 12-inning Cubs loss to the Astros except this:
The Cubs had the winning run on third base with one out in three straight innings, the 9th, 10th and 11th, and could not score.
Let me repeat that in a pretty blue box and in big bold type so you can't miss it:
The Cubs had the winning run on third base with one out in three straight innings, the 9th, 10th and 11th, and could not score.
Each time, there was a good baserunner (Kosuke Fukudome, Starlin Castro, Ryan Theriot -- OK, so at least two of the three) on third base. There were good bunters (Fukudome and Castro) at bat in the latter of the two innings. And no attempt at a squeeze? No out-of-the-box thinking? Nothing. Just nothing.
Mike said to me after Ted Lilly scored the Cubs' only run until the 12th inning, which followed his first hit of the season: "If there's any poetic justice in the world, that will be the only run scored today."
Guess there's no poetic justice in the world. Should Lou have yanked Lilly after seven? Probably, but then Jessica wouldn't have been able to rail at anyone who would listen in the 12th when Lou used up the entire bullpen and had to have Friday's starter, Randy Wells, warming up after Geovany Soto hit a two-run homer (almost to our section, as was the game-tying HR by Pedro Feliz) and the Cubs again had a runner in scoring position who got stranded.
Sixteen men left on base. Good relief pitching from Sean Marshall, Carlos Marmol, Andrew Cashner and Justin Berg wasted.
And now, a combined record against the Astros and Pirates of 6-15 -- which means the Cubs are 37-38 against the rest of the teams they've faced. Does that make any sense at all? Any? Bueller?
I promised that tomorrow, you'll get a post examining the candidates to replace Lou Piniella -- and you will; right now I am invited to the Dempster Foundation's fundraiser (they had two buses lined up next to the LF bleachers to take the entire team there after the game), so I'm likely out of here till morning. It was nice to have BCB'er Vermont Cubs Fan again in the bleachers (though he got some sunburn and was pretty upset at the end of the game), and also BCB'er Allie, who came up from Indiana to sit with us today. And, BCB'er portlandcubfan also stopped by to say hi.
Enjoy the off day. We all need it, I think.
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I was listening to the 9th on the radio, would you have sent Fukudome home on that single?
by braziliancubsfan on Jul 21, 2010 6:04 PM CDT reply actions
Yes, only the Cubs can botch a relay throw to the Catcher with a guy only halfway down the line
Can’t expect a fundamentally sound team like the Astros to make that kind of error.
What were you watching?
The throw for Carlos Lee was a one hopper on a line right to the catcher.
He would have been dead
by cubsfaninatl on Jul 21, 2010 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
How many outs were there?
Unless there are two outs, you usually play conservative.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Its hard to know who to blame for this one
Lou left Ted in too long. Or is it the hitters who failed w/ RISP in the 9th 10th and 11th? Or Howry? Or Stevens? At least the 2nd half of the order made a hell of an effort in the 12th.
You said it best: summation of this depressing season.
"They say the glee team has lured straggler into sniper traps with cheery renditions of hit songs." "Really? And people fall for that?"
How about the hitters NOT DOING THEIR JOB??? Lilly had a great game, I don't blame Lou for not removing him.
It’s pathetic, absolutely pathetic.
by braziliancubsfan on Jul 21, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
But the hitters have done this all season
So it’s up to the coach to try something vaguely creative, like a squeeze (in those three innings, he didn’t have one player he trusted to bunt the winning run home??).
One thing about Sandberg — he was a great situational hitter. If he takes over, I would imagine he is going to pound this message into these guys. When a grounder or fly ball gets you a run, this Cubs team whiffs. Consistently stupid hitting (or lack of the needed skills), punctuated by occasional slugging, is this team’s MO.
That was a...
BUMMER!
She said, "I know a town where real life's a game
Baseball's all that's real
At night all the faces light up
As the players take the field"
-Widespread Panic
by DallasCub on Jul 21, 2010 6:08 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
BOB FREAKING HOWRY
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
I will refuse to blame him for this loss. The game should have been won way before it got to the 12th.
But of course, the offense only scores AFTER the other team does
by braziliancubsfan on Jul 21, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
All the reason to blame him. ;-)
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Howry has sucked all year
Why in god’s name would you pick him, of all the bullpen options, to come into that situation. The moment I heard he was being called in I had a feeling it was all over. True to form, he promptly coughed up a couple of runs. That is on Lou, however, for putting him in there. Howry needs to designated immediately—he is useless this year.
Who are we bringing up to replace him?
All of our replacement options have been even worse this year: Caridad, Smardzjia, Stevens, Schlitter, Atkins. That’s the reason we signed Howry in the first place.
Analogy...
“Sky” is to “blue” as
“bullpen failure” is to “Bob Howry”
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
It's so disappointing because this team is much better than this.
But hell, maybe we aren’t. Props to Starlin Castro for another good game and Soto convincing me more by the day that he is the real deal.
But a good team would of won this game. Plain and simple. Time to see what we can get for most of these guys (Lee, Lilly, Soriano, Fukudome, Theriot).
Maybe we need to sell high on Byrd too — I don’t want him gone at all but I don’t even know anymore.
Depression as a Cub fan, there is nothing like it.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
everytime someone says "lets see what we can get for soriano"
i want to punch them in the face
by jesus christos on Jul 21, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh I wish you could.
Did I say DFA, did I say just trade him? I would at least see if their was a market for him.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
A good team is 15-6....
vs. Pirates and Astros…not 6-15
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
Dusty Baker is the only manager in the last 100+ years to lead the Cubs to a post season series win....
"Take the hands off the clock, we're gong to be here a while"
Sixteen men left on base.
The Cubs had the winning run on third base with one out in three straight innings, the 9th, 10th and 11th, and could not score.
Damn the bullpen!
Official MCM Pessimist.
Oh, I'm sorry; did I poke a hole in the echo chamber?
by The Jade Scorpion on Jul 21, 2010 6:23 PM CDT reply actions
and Lou for letting Lilly pitch the 8th!!!!!!!!!!!!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 21, 2010 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
why do you have a problem with Lou letting him pitch the 8th???
by braziliancubsfan on Jul 21, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't....but others here were blowing a gasket over it.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 21, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't had minded if he brought in Marshall to pitch the 8th, but I had no
problem at all with him leaving Lilly in.
by braziliancubsfan on Jul 21, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry

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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jul 21, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's where the gaskets should be "blowing".....
Cubs RISP: 2-14 (T Colvin 0-2, K Hill 0-2, G Soto 1-2, A Soriano 0-1, D Lee 0-2, A Ramirez 0-1, R Theriot 1-1, K Fukudome 0-1, S Castro 0-1, M Byrd 0-1)
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
Dusty Baker is the only manager in the last 100+ years to lead the Cubs to a post season series win....
"Take the hands off the clock, we're gong to be here a while"
yep
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
If the bullpen would have done their job......
….and driven in some runs at the plate, the Cubs would have won this game!
Official MCM Pessimist.
Oh, I'm sorry; did I poke a hole in the echo chamber?
by The Jade Scorpion on Jul 21, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
The bullpen did fine
You can’t expect your bullpen to shut them out for 5 innings. This one is completely on the offense.
I think he meant
if the bullpen would have done their job and driven in some runs (themselves). Because, the hitters sure as hell weren’t going to do it.
by ASpecialGuestAppearance on Jul 21, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I tend to agree with you
I can see why you would have pulled him, but it wasn’t an outrageous move and certainly didn’t lose the game.
I have a problem with it.
It was a very hot day, Lilly was exhausted, Lou used Lilly to hit in the 7th, and he replaced Lilly after one batter and the home run anyway. It made no sense. Lou left Lilly in when he shouldn’t have…they were up 1-0, he had Marshall ready, should have put Lilly in. The rest is obviously on the hitters. I don’t see why this is such a hard concept. Lilly was at 100 pitches on a very hot day with the wind blowing out. Your sarcasm eludes me.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 22, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea....damn pitching staff....
gave up a run in nine innings…don’t they know they aren’t allowed tto give up any runs…
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
Dusty Baker is the only manager in the last 100+ years to lead the Cubs to a post season series win....
"Take the hands off the clock, we're gong to be here a while"
Just like groundhog day...eh?
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
Dusty Baker is the only manager in the last 100+ years to lead the Cubs to a post season series win....
"Take the hands off the clock, we're gong to be here a while"
It was over months ago dude.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jul 21, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
yea...I was hoping for maybey an interesting tease between now
and Bears camp
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
Dusty Baker is the only manager in the last 100+ years to lead the Cubs to a post season series win....
"Take the hands off the clock, we're gong to be here a while"
I was glad to see
Hill get some quality time. And it’s always a treat to watch Howry enter the game with his 7.29 ERA and 1.62 WHIP. But at least Marmol got his work yesterday in a blowout so he couldn’t throw 2 innings today.
Let’s be honest. Neither Howry nor Hill nor Stevens nor Nady belong on this team. Lou doesn’t have a clue how to think outside the box and our hitters have no clue how to approach an at bat with the game on the line. And it appears the Piniella bump is over.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
who's your backup catcher than, micheal brenly??
by braziliancubsfan on Jul 21, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
He does have a 19 Game Hitting Streak.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jul 21, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
How about Jake Fox?
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jul 21, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
You do realize
that we have catchers in Iowa and Tennessee. Tell me what Hill brings to the plate that a decent minor leaguer couldn’t improve on.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Is that what they mean by clubhouse chemistry?
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
No...
That’s the crap that gets you suspended for 50 games.
by Steven Schweickert on Jul 21, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Need more than a day off
Our biggest fear was realized yesterday when Lou announced his retirement, because it again reflected today in his baseball mired apathy. Jim, do yourself a favor and send him home before the end of the season. Hill should only be an emergency start from now one. 4 Ks are awful….did he even hit the ball with his bat all game? IDK- I didn’t watch all of his at-bats.
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
Yeah I would have brought Soto in for that.
But really I don’t get the Lou is at fault thing Al said at the end…out of the box thinking…the hitters let them down. 3 straight innings of failure against the Houston bullpen and it’s Lou’s fault for not squeezing? NO. It’s the hitters. They simply refused to do their job.
And for the squeeze play enthusiasts, Houston had the infield drawn in…that’s why we were able to steal 2nd base in those innings. They were playing to throw the ball home. Waiting for a play like that. They didn’t think we could get a hit past them and they were right. Our bunters have sucked all year, with the infield drawn in, our bunts shaky at best, it was a very low percentage that could work. Yeah Lou made mistakes, but this is on the hitters. One freaking sac fly in three innings is not hard to do. Yet they could not manage it.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 22, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Great points
I agree that its not Lou’s fault for losing the game. Hitting a sac fly shouldn’t be that difficult against one of the worst NL’s teams’ bullpen. I was following the game on Gamecast; how shallow was the fly ball to center when Dome was on third?
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
Pretty shallow.
Quade was right to hold him, the throw was not from even medium depth, it was cut off by the pitcher I think in front of the mound…and was heading right for home plate. Dome would have been out by a mile. Quade waited until the last second to hold him, making sure the throw was on line. It was unfortunately.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 22, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I should add to that Dome was a few steps away from 3rd when the cf caught the ball.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 22, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Figured as much
Just wondered about the depth of the flyball. Sounds like Dome wasn’t even in position to tag anyways. Great baserunning!
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
Agree
It’s hard to hurt something that is already dead.
by ASpecialGuestAppearance on Jul 21, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs have a lot of young talent
and could really build for the future. I think with some savvy moves at the the deadline to clear salary and pick up talent, some aggressive off-season acquisitions (headlines by going “all-in” for Adrian Gonzalez), this club could do some damage in 2011.
I just have a very low confidence level in Jim Hendry to get the job done. Sometimes I think it’s better when we lose, because it might force Hendry to do the right thing and not hope for a 20-game winning streak. Maybe that makes me a bad Cub fan.
DEJESUS!!!
It doesn't man.
Jim has done some good and some bad to the Cubs. He opened up a chance for the Cubs to finally win the WS, but he also closed it. Jim knows what he has done wrong and I’m certain he won’t make those mistakes again. Without Jim, we wouldn’t have the talent in the minors that we do. I believe we can all find it in our hearts to give Jim one last shot.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
teehee ^.^
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Please describe all that minor league talent....
in depth and how it will help the Cubs compete for the NL Central crown in2011
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
Dusty Baker is the only manager in the last 100+ years to lead the Cubs to a post season series win....
"Take the hands off the clock, we're gong to be here a while"
I never said the Cubs will compete in 2011.
I think that they can. Look, this is the best the Cubs minor league has been in awhile. I’m only 18, so I saying what I’ve been seeing/hearing from the guys who make a living understanding this kind of stuff. Jim will be with the Cubs in 2011. The Cubs have the “potential” to compete in 2011. The Cubs may get a nice piece or two from FA, like they did with Byrd. Don’t ask me who they can get, because I don’t know. There are several players in Iowa that can be called up this year and/or next year that will help the Cubs back into contention in the future.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Or....as Jim goes...
They might get a Milton, or Scott Eyre, or Bob Howry, or Jock Jones……
As for Minor L. talent……it’s that…minor league talent…..Al said it so eloquently the other day…not a single cub may reach 90 RBI’s this year……(though Aramis….WHO shouldda sat sooner) seems on his way to disproving that)…….
Who’s going to play 1b? You want Theriot at 2b as a starter? Is Aramis going to be back at 3b? Can Soriano put up ho-hum #’s like this year instead of the utter disaster like last year? Can Byrd have another career year? Can soto “be consistent”….andd can Colvin and Castro improve???
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
Dusty Baker is the only manager in the last 100+ years to lead the Cubs to a post season series win....
"Take the hands off the clock, we're gong to be here a while"
You have a lot more optimism than I do
Even if the Cubs could get Gonzalez say with Jackson, Lee and some other prospects there still would be issues of:
- Bullpen other than Marmol/Marshall. I assume Cashner is back as a starter.
- Top of the lineup. Colvin and Castro are not leadoff hitters.
- Rotation. The Cubs still do not have a top of the rotation pitcher. You could argue that other than maybe Dempster they don’t even have a #2.
- Second base. Baker and Fontenot next year?
- Age. You would have to assume/hope that Soriano, Byrd, Ramirez, Dempster all continue without a drop-off.
I seriously don’t see how the Cubs can do real damage in 2011. Contend? Maybe.
Joe Torre quote...
“Chicago is a great town. But they don’t have patience:”
I guess he doesn’t want to manage the Cubs.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Patience?
This is the most patient fan base of any professional franchise in America, or we wouldn’t be here. Please, not another aging manager who does not understand the culture of the Cubs. Joe will retire at the end of the season.
Book that.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 21, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Or take a one-year contract with the Mets
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
joe torre is a dinosaur tripping over his tail
but girardi would be a raptor who would kick butt
not sure what species sandberg would be .. maybe a smilodon
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
Torre is too expensive. I would rather see the money go to the players
instead of the manager.
by holy mackeral on Jul 21, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
....especially since I keep hearing its not the manager that's the problem, its the players
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jul 21, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe we need to waltz more when we twirl, Coolio
or mebbe salsa ..
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
You call this culture?
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
I'm not sure.
Someone just tweeted that quote from him.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Another tweet concerning Torre on the Cubs...
Torre on #Cubs job:Im not going to eliminate anything.I dont anticipate leaving.Not interested in closing doors.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Please.
I want someone young to manage the Cubs.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 21, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
We need him fresh for next year
When we might have a chance again.
by LT on Jul 21, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the CFL's Jim....
Just think…..if this were flipped….
And now, a combined record against the Astros and Pirates of 6-15
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
Dusty Baker is the only manager in the last 100+ years to lead the Cubs to a post season series win....
"Take the hands off the clock, we're gong to be here a while"
The game today stunk. The end.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Plain and simple, we should have scored and Howry never gets in game.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
no kidding
The options were pretty bad by that point. The Astros had already been throwing some bad pitchers, and we could not seal the deal against them.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
In the bleachers again.
Man, it was more upsetting than anything. I was screaming for a squeeze play in the 10th inning, but Lou seemed to think that getting players stats was more important than winning the game.
He left Lilly in too long, he didn’t call for a squeeze when the situation called for it (and he had three chances to do so) and then he did the lefty-righty BS which cost the Cubs yet another game.
Shame on you, Lou. This one’s on you.
OT: If you watch Soto’s home run, look for a tall, thin fan to come into the picture from the top left of the frame. Yep, that’s me.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 21, 2010 7:27 PM CDT reply actions
If you want to be noticed
sit next to an attractive woman.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
I recommend it anyway
Unless she has a restraining order
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Was it also you
Who muffed Lopez’s HR ball on the bounce? With the Sori hop?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
No, on that one,
I came over after the guy had the ball, and was one of several people telling him to throw it back.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 21, 2010 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
did you see me waving to you like a crazy person?
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jul 21, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Did see you.
Sorry I couldn’t meet you at the statue, the shuttle I was on ran late and I got to Wrigley at 12:45.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 21, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I just checked.
If you see someone wearing a blue shirt with white oval, old road cap (blue cap, red visor), that’s me.
I run horizontally, and then try to get the home run ball from above.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 21, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't we all run horizontally?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I was nervous about tripping over the bleachers.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 21, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, Al,
I think we all were upset after this one.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 21, 2010 7:33 PM CDT reply actions
Can somebody please delete the stupid
“Join in the conversation now with SB Nation on Blackberry Messager” box on the top left? It was a stupid idea, the conversation is horrible, it was over a week ago, and no, you can’t join the damn thing, because it’s over. Please, somebody, delete it.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
+ 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
GO HERE AND POST IN BIG CAPS LOCK AND TELL THEM TO DELETE THEIR STUPID THING
http://www.sbnation.com/2010/7/15/1570566/blackberry-messenger-mlb-roundtable-chat
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I second this notion.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 21, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
It's an ad.
I suspect they bought a specified length of time and it has to run that long. However, I will pass the word along.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I know it is.
But the “ad” makes it seem like you can join in the conversation, which you cannot. Unless you received a free Blackberry (which like 6 people did), the conversation isn’t to include you. And it’s old.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Boy I hate to say this in the midst of all this cheer ..
.. but an evil wind blew out my hopes an hour before the game finally got mercifully blown open by the Astros. Despite the twirling, sorry, Coolio ..
It was right at my end of shift at 4:45 pm ET when I noticed on Gameday that Fukudome was at third and Colvin up to bat, bottom of the ninth .. two out .. I dashed to the breakroom and found some chick watching “Ellen.” With great tact, hiding all of my frenzied baseball addiction, I politely asked her, as she started zapping around, if I could watch TV for a bit. She did so, and I found the DirecTV channel just in time to see Colvin get out.
We talked for a few minutes and I explained to her my rabid Cubs fixation and she and I had a laugh over my wearing a Cubs hat and T to work that day. While watching the Astros and the Cubs fumble about on the field, we talked a bit. She was young and pretty and something seemed oddly familiar about her, nonetheless. The real surprise came when I discovered she had just graduated from the same local university I had also graduated from almost 20 years ago and she asked me if I knew a certain person, which I to my surprise knew immediately.
And then abruptly, like a bolt out of the blue, it turned out she was the kid sister of the girl who married this guy, a girl I had ardently pursued in a relationship that reallllly went south, something this young girl would know nothing of. I remembered meeting her back then, being all of six years of age, and yes, this was her baby sister.
This was absolutely unreal, Twilight Zone stuff, and I felt like I had walked out of a time warp or something .. and I wondered just what her big sister would say if she found out I’d talked to her sister .. UGH ..
And as she smiled at me, talking about what a wonderful guy my old friend was, something cold just went through me, about the time Starlin smacked that double .. and an omen, a shiver of dread about how futile the Cubs’ afternoon would be suddenly rattled my heart which I promptly I hid behind my easy gab. It was one of the creepiest moments of my life.
She said goodbye, went back off her break to the call center, and I gave her my polite farewell .. but as much as I tried to get into the game afterwards, I couldn’t shake the feeling of impending disaster, and an hour or so later, on 2 outs, the dam finally broke.
Flame me if you wish, but there, my therapy for the day is over. Let’s have a group hug!
And let’s have one tommorrow, huh, guys?
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
And the problem is...
…..what?
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jul 21, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
sounds weird but it would feel incest in some strange way
although it would be an interesting way to find out what Ms. Betsy would do .. I couldn’t do it. Can’t do really anything until the paperwork’s done anyway, in my book .. but I’m ready to start dating.
Anyone know any female Cubs fans from 25-35 (or more) who want a date exploring Wrigleyville the first week of August? I’m 50, look 35 and have been lusted after by far younger women. Must not smoke. Must not drink.* Must enjoy long walks, watching Cubs videos and crying a lot while you do so, and if you don’t know the words to “Go Cubs Go” and “Dying Cub Fan’s Last Request,” please do not respond.
- No Trixies. Just real women.
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
Some random dude around my age came up to me and told me I was cute.
I told him I didn’t hike that trail, and walked away. This was yesterday. Then today, a cute girl came up to me and told me I was cute and she liked my hair.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
True story.
The girl looked around 15 maybe even 14. I’m 18 which makes it illegal in these parts.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Approve the second one.
The first one … OMG.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 21, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Dude straight up came up to me saying....
“A boy with glasses cuter than me.” I was nice during the encounter, but was set on getting away.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
That's ... strange,
And “strange” is probably the nicest way of putting it.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 21, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
It's cool you post that here.
Some guys would get all upset about it and want to rip him apart to show they are masculine. It may feel weird and creepy but at least you’re an adult about it. Says you know who you are and well enough adjusted emotionally and as a man you don’t need to worry about it. I had that happen to me at an after hours bar once…was talking to a few girls, got a drink and some guy asked me to hang out with him…a few times since I didn’t understand at first. It felt weird but shit happens. Gotta just let it go.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 22, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Reason for hope
Colvin, Castro, Cashner
Three very good pieces to start with but of course there are others. Marshall and Marmol. Marshall, the guy’s had a very good year. Then there are some prospects in the pipeline. If it’s time to trade away the trade-able pieces of the current club, then that should bring in more good young players.
I know the feeling of another season gone away all too well. Not a great feeling at all but in the case of the Cubs this season, there are good reasons for hope in the near future.
"Don’t belittle entire fanbases or neighborhoods…simply because they are within proximity to some people who don’t operate (or look) the same way you do." - AndrewJStone 6/29/2010
thanks, I for one need this from someone who is not a Cubs fan
btw, glad for you that your guys are doing so well
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jul 21, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
In the very near future:
Jim Hendry is ready and eager to be on board for Year Two!
I’m going to temper my enthusiasm for the time being.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
It was a nice run Mr. Lilly!
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
Is he gone?
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
Dusty Baker is the only manager in the last 100+ years to lead the Cubs to a post season series win....
"Take the hands off the clock, we're gong to be here a while"
not to MY knowledge...
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Went to the orioles game today,
they are worse than the cubs…but i actually thought I was watching the cubs: Starting at SS, Cesar Izturis. Starting in LF, Corey Patterson. Pinch running for first baseman: Scott Moore..(he was on the cubs) Pinch hitting for the catcher: Felix Pie…warming up in the bullpen, Will Ohman…AND
Jake Fox caught the first 7 innings today. He did not do a horrible job at all and he actually had an RBI double.
Man, lets trade Fukudome for Markakis. GETITDONE!
I was kind of hoping that when Koyie broke that bat over his knee
he’d be on the DL. 4 K’s is just pathetic.
good point!
its like “disarming” lou… no chance of the wrong choice being made!
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
practicing for a duel with Zambo?
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Actions, not words speak...
From all appearences, Lou “retired in 2008”. Notice, “coomon sense” is not so common this year. G’nite.
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Epic bullpen mismanagement
OK there is no question the Cubs should have scored more runs but Lou’s misuse of the bullpen was just nuts. Leaving Lilly in for the 8th was the least of it but still stupid. You think he would have figured out from now that it is not a good idea with one run leads, especially when your set up guy and closer are available. A questionable move , but not horrific.
Next is why the hell can’t Marshall pitch the 9th? He did not throw a lot of pitches and while he was in all but Monday’s game he has been lights out so rather than pull him BEFORE his spot comes up in the order, let him pitch the 9th and not your closer. Next up Bob freaking HOWRY. I got up and left when he came in. He should not be on this roster and he gave up 5 runs in his last two appearences. I grant you the bullpen now has only the kids left but better them than him. So he gives up back to back singles and then manages an out and Lou puts Russell in and he gets an out and what does he do next, pull Russell for a guy just off the Iowa who is your last available pitcher. Al and I argued about this a LOT at the game, but I think this was by far the dumbest move of the game, but of course Lou wanted a righty. WTF, you pull out a guy who has been modestly effective to use the last available pitcher in a tie game who is just off the farm.
I imagine there was decent chance Russell might have given up a hit too , but again how do you take him out for Stevens?
Al assures me that EVERY manager in the MLB would have done the same, but I don’t think so.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
On this,
I had to agree with you as I left today. Just mind-blowing.
These bullpen mismanagement instances have already cost the Cubs numerous wins this year. You think Lou would have learned by now, but apparently not.
Sometimes, the whole lefty/righty thing is vastly overrated. Today was one of those times.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 21, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Hahaha
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
You left too early.
You should have heard them arguing about it. I normally would side with Al, but today, Jessica’s point made much more sense about bullpen usage.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 21, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh I know
She was muttering about it from the first second she realized it was Howry in the ’pen.
It was pretty amusing.
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
It took her about 10 minutes to mention Maddux,
And ~30 to mention Fuld. Now that wasn’t much of a surprise.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 21, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
10 minutes to mention Maddux?
I must really have been distracted.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 21, 2010 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL.
Only you could have that happen.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 21, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree with her all you want.
Just remember when you do that, that Jessica thinks every move Lou makes is a bad one.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
how would it be possible to forget that?
It’s all on her sleeve
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Kind of like the boy who cried wolf
The first 10 times I might believe you. The next 35 times in a row, I might think it might be personal.
Not at all true
Did we not have a strong disagreement on Tuesday when you were furious he was putting Marmol in with the seven run lead and I said it was EXACTLY the right thing to do since he needed to get back and face major league hitters ASAP? Was I not delighted when he warmed up Cashner when the Cubs made it 7-6? I was happy when he double switched Baker earlier in the weekt. I was one of the few people defending Lou when he left Lilly in in another game and he gave up a home run and the Cubs lost.
I know it sounds cute to say I disagree with all his moves, but I don’t, however he has made a ton of bad moves , this year is probably the worst but people seem to believe he was just fine and then suddenly got bad. His continued obsession with lefty/righty match ups and near total inability to understand pitchers has been the same since he started.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 22, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Lou never assumes a ballgame
will go extra innings. At least that’s the way he manages the bullpen. You can’t ever pull Russel and replace him with the very last guy in the pen who has a 1.747 whip. Is it also any coincidence that the Cubs have lost the last 10 games that Stevens has pitched?
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Probably because he generally comes in when we are being blown out
Jul 21 HOU L 3-4
Jul 4 CIN L 3-14
Jul 2 CIN L 0-12
Jul 1 CIN L 2-3
Jun 25 @ CHW L 0-6
Jun 23 @ SEA L 1-8
Jun 19 LAA L 0-12
Jun 15 OAK L 5-9
Jun 11 CHW L 5-10
Jun 10 @ MIL L 4-5
In those 10 games
he’s thrown 10 innings, and given up 17 hits along with 9 BB. You might also be interested in knowing he was touched up for 4 HR.
How do you like him now?
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Oh, I think he isn't very good
But neither is Russell. All those bullpen arms are fringy AAAA type pitchers. Can go ok for a couple weeks and then blow up. In fact my statement that he usually comes in when we are being blown out supports the idea that he sucks.
Ok Let's look at the numbers
Russel pitched in 11 games in July and the BA against him was .222. He had 0 BB and 8 K. He has similar BA against him vs LHB and RHB. .273 vs .282.
Stevens record is discussed above. So the question should be. In view of all the circumstances including the fact that Stevens was the last man standing, was it wise to pull Russel afet only 1 batter that he had retired?
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Probably not
But it isn’t the reason we lost the game. Stevens has also had some good stretches and Russell has had some bad stretches. I confess that I haven’t watched many games the last 3 weeks. I have had a lot of other things going on that were frankly more important than the Cubs. Maybe it was an awful move. Either way, it isn’t the reason we lost the game.
Certainly we should have scored
more runs. But, if Russel had been allowed to remain in the ballgame to get the final out, Soto’s HR would have won the game. So, it was at least one of the reasons for our loss and a terrible decision by Lou.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
That assumes Russell gets out of it
In the end this is a circular argument. Questionable decision? Sure. Blew the game? I don’t really think so.
I'm not trying to
do some Monday morning quaretbacking but I prefer to play the odds. I believe there was a better chance to win by staying with Russel than doing that lefty-righty thing with Stevens.
But beyond that, what the hell is Howry doing on our roster? He’s beyond terrible and should never have been picked up by Hendry.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
As if you need another reason burning your last bullpen arm was a bad move...
Shouldn’t Lou be assuming his club won’t score, thus requiring more bullpen innings?
Shut up Joe Morgan.
You described a problem 2 years running ....
and also 2004-2007…..
OK there is no question the Cubs should have scored more runs
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
Dusty Baker is the only manager in the last 100+ years to lead the Cubs to a post season series win....
"Take the hands off the clock, we're gong to be here a while"
Noise, Noise, Noise
If the Cubs convert in any of their late-inning scoring chances we aren’t having this conversation.
Sure, Lou could have left Marshall in in the 9th, but facing a tough righty in Lee first up in the 9th, it isn’t the dumbest thing in the world to pull him for Marmol. If I am going to pin this loss on any one thing it for sure isn’t bullpen mismanagement.
by JSB on Jul 21, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of course they freaking should have scored
but they didn’t and Lou’s job was to do the best with what he had left. Leaving Lilly in and taking Marshall out were questionable moves, putting Howry in and taking Russell out were
idiotic moves .
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 21, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
These things usually aren't issues...
on $145M payroll teams….the Cubs are charting new territory for underachievemnt again…
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
Dusty Baker is the only manager in the last 100+ years to lead the Cubs to a post season series win....
"Take the hands off the clock, we're gong to be here a while"
Well the whole point of your post was to ride Lou for bullpen mismanagement
Hey, I am not sure I would have played it the same way as Lou either. But, your obvious disdain for Lou has addled you to the point where anything and everything that goes wrong can be traced back to Lou. You still haven’t accepted that this team isn’t any good. The Cubs didn’t win today because Lou mismanaged the bullpen. They lost because they scored 1 run in 11 innings.
For the record, taking out Russell wasn’t an idiotic move. Righties are hitting .241 off Stevens, and you needed to get an out right there. As far as Howry, when you are left to decide between Russell, Stevens and Howry, no decision is really good. When you can’t score more than 1 run in 11 innings and you have an awful back half of the bullpen, you aren’t win a whole lot of games.
There is no question the players f*&^%ed up by not scoring
but Lou’s job is to do the best with what he has and he didn’t and he hasn’t for a long, long time. Chances are I would not have been nearly as pissed if I had not spent 4 hours in the hot sun and then seen the end coming like a train wreck. There may not be be any really “good” decisions dealing with Howry , Stevens & Russell but some are MUCH worse than others and given the options Lou chose the worst ones and in typical Lou fashion ( but unlike last night re Cashner) he failed to think more than one batter ahead and in tie extra inning game that is deadly. My Philadelphia nightmare just gets played out over and over again for the last two plus seasons.
FYI IF the Cubs had tied it , Wells would have had to come in blowing up the rotation for the Cardinals series so losing after Lou’s inane decision to use his last available pitcher at least saved us that.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 22, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Yet instead of focusing on player's failures, day-after-day you focus on Lou
You need to let it go. He is leaving after the end of this season. You will have a new guy to get mad at next year when a Hendry-constructed bullpen implodes again.
The only thing more curious than your obsession with Lou is your obsession with this game in Philadelphia that occurred more than two years ago and has yet to repeat itself. You can’t play every game like it is going to go 16 innings.
I have two plus more months to suffer through this guy
when he is a dead man walking. I would much rather let Trammell manage and perhaps bring up Sandberg as a bench coach.
The game in Philladelphia matters only in that it was my opening moment where I realized Lou was like the man behind the curtain, all bluster and mirrors, living on a reputation from years ago. It got me to watch his moves instead of just accept that he was a great manager.
I know you don’t believe me, feel free to google or whatever, but I have never been one to attack Cub managers, not even Dusty till the very end. A bad bullpen sucks , a manager who can’t use a bullpen ( now consisting of at least 3 very solid guys) is worse.
Off to bed. I think everyone has more than gotten the point.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 22, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I recommend you stop watching
Either that or stop caring. If Lou’s presence in the dugout infuriates you that much, there is nothing good to come of it.
Oh, by the way
How’s Chad Tracy doing these days? Good think we cut his ass and went back to Ramirez.
After we spend almost 3 months pretending Ramirez was in a slump
instead of putting him on the DL in say MAY . You think he was just fine and there is no relation to his going on the DL and coming out hitting? Cubs had to spend
April, May & most of June to figure that out? Just like last year when they waited till Sept for Soriano to admit his slump might actually by physical?
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 22, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I have no idea
It makes sense that Ramirez might have been hurt, but I also don’t think it was impossible that he was just in a horrendous slump. Seeing as I didn’t actually examine him and I am not a doctor, I plead ignorance on the whole situation. It doesn’t change the fact that you still wanted to ease him back into the lineup and start Chad F-ing Tracy even when he came back.
Let’s get back to Chad Tracy. He sucks. Will you please apologize for subjecting us to three weeks of the “Chad Tracy Watch”?
I wanted Ramirez on the DL
Hitting .160 in June is not a slump. He sucked till the day he went on the DL and has been hitting since the day he came off. You do the math.
Tracy WAS a better option than a guy who could not hit is weight and swung at pitches 10 feet outside the plate , but I really have no clue how he would have done since Lou never really played him, anymore than he played Baker. Are the Cubs better off because Ramirez started the vast majority of games in April, May and June and bat clean up in most of them? How quickly everyone forgets.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 22, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Really?
Tracy wasn’t much better than Ramirez. A solid .298 wOBA. That’s Theriot levels of bad. Not to mention the reason you let your vets play through slumps is because you never know when they are going to bust out of it. But, we are distracting from the most important thing:
You subjected us to three weeks of whining for Chad Tracy and trumpeting his AAA stats. That lost you alot of credibility.
His OBP was nearly 100 points higher than Rami before he went on the DL
Is his whopping 48 ABs of being treated like a yo-yo up and down to the minors. It is one thing to let a veteran play through a " slump" it is entirely different to play a guy who is utterly clueless at the plate and 100 points below his career avergage ( and play him at clean up). How can anyone possibly argue Ramirez was NOT injured when he ONLY starts to hit after coming off the DL? How much better might the season of been had the Cubs ( not just Lou) realized this in freaking MAY and gotten him on the DL then?
Tracy or Baker or anyone hitting .250 would have been a SIGNIFICANT improvement over the nearly 3 months of way below the mendoza line hitting A-Ram. Silly me I think that even someone hitting a mediocre .250 is better than someone hitting .160. Ramirez did NOT "hit his way out of slump’ , he just finally got on the DL and fixed what was wrong.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 22, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
You wanted Tracy to replace Ramirez
That is a fact. You didn’t believe that Ramirez was going to get it turned around. I told you that Ramirez wasn’t done and that we needed to be patient with him. All of your reasoning is based on hindsight. All of it. At the beginning of April who was a better bet? Ramirez. At the beginning of May who was a better bet? Ramirez. At the beginning of June who was a better bet? Ramirez. At the beginning of July who was a better bet? Ramirez.
You never take a star like Ramirez out of your lineup for a player like Chad Tracy unless Ramirez is hurt. I don’t give a shit how badly he is slumping.
So you can either spend the next 4 months waiting for it to change and just let them play nearly everyday or you actually MAKE REAL changes, not change the line up for a day and say " what do you want me to do ?". I think nearly all of us agree the season is either lost or very close to lost so for crying out loud stop doing the SAME THING. Oddly enough there are teams that bench or release or get on the DL ( see Oliver Perez) players that are dragging the team down and make changes. Everyone here knows I have thought Lou is terrible manager for over two years, but I am still stunned every day he runs out nearly the same line up. It is not working, so we have NOTHING to lose getting Tracy up, playing Colvin, benching Theriot etc.
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Chad Tracy is awful. He isn’t a good baseball player anymore. And he certainly should never play in front of Ramirez.
Chad Tracy is terrible
wRC+
2004 91
2005 134
2006 102
2007 102
2008 84
2009 73
2010 72
So, to summarize he has one season where he was well above average, all the way back in 2005. He has had 2 seasons where he was league average, most recently in 2007. And he has had 4 seasons where he is well below league average.
It had NOTHING to do with being "patient'
HE WAS INJURED and no one would confront this. Again
he ONLY started hitting as soon as he got off the DL, how much more proof do you need? He did NOT hit his way out of slump, he did not get better from being used for nearly 3 months when he sucked and he was injured.
Please tell me what about the above says I did not want him on the DL. I repeadetly said he should go on the DL but since he didn’t I sure as hell DID NOT WANT him to play every day and at clean up and again his play in April , May and June was beyond bad and dragged the Cubs down, and Tracy or Baker ( who I said I was fine with would have been better)
It is the height of revisionist history to claim Rami is hitting NOW because he was “worked through it” by sucking for 3 months. Had the Cubs gotten him on the DL much earlier in the season ( and FYI I suspect he would have gone on the DL if Lou had in fact relagated him to the bench) it would have made a HUGE difference,
However I feel no regret in saying Tracy would have played better than Ramirez because even with with poor nunbers he would have been light years ahead of the injured .160 hitting Ramiez.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 22, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
He wasn't hurt for all 3 months
He might have been hurt for part of that time, but it wasn’t the whole 3 months. I also said repeatedly that if he was hurt he should be on the DL. I also thought that the DL was as much for a mental break as it was for a physical break. You didn’t just want him on the DL either, you wanted him benched if he wasn’t put on the DL If he had this awful 3-month injury, how the hell does a couple weeks on the DL cure him?
As far as the 3-months to work through his slump, my point was that you never know when a star is going to break out of a slump, so you give them every chance to do so. Especially when your backup option is Chad F-ing Tracy. I would rather let Ramirez work his way out of a slump hitting .160 than watch Chad Tracy fumble his way to a .288 wOBA.
Back to Chad Tracy. Now that he is in the Yankees organization, you think Yankee fans are doing the “Chad Tracy Watch”?
The Yankees have 3rd baseman
They don’t have to “Tracy watch”.
Ramirez was hurt in Spring Training for heaven’s sake. He was clearly not healthy because that was not a slump it was a guy who had no clue how to hit. Lee was in a slump but had a decent OBP because he did draw walks so he had some idea how to bat. Ramirez was hurt and he and the Cubs refused to deal with it.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 22, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure he was hurt
And with every swing, he hurt himself again – that is what happens with nagging injuries.
"Blowing up the rotation"?
See, here’s the irrational Lou hatred coming out again.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
????
I was merely pointing out that IF they had tied it and Wells had to come in since Lou used the last available pitcher , the Cub would have had to bring up someone from the minors for a spot start which would have been equal to handing the CARDINALS a victory in order to preserve a tie with the Astros.
If it makes you feel better I will say “screw up the rotation” which is surely would have done and it came very, very close.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 22, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
The one inning or less per reliever per appearance rule.....
Must be observed at all costs!! Another thing we can blame LaRussa for is this law of bullpen management, which now every MLB manager follows inflexibly. What it means in practice is fewer innings for Marshall, Marmol, and Cashner, and more for faux-major leaguers like Howry, Russell, and whatever nondescript uniform-filler is the latest arrival on Des Moines-Wrigley Bullpen express.
When did it become law that a major league reliever cannot throw more than one inning? Gossage, Fingers, Sutter, Marshall (Mike, not Shaun), Quiz, Lee SMith, and for that matter Paul freakin’ Reuschel all had long careers going 2-3 innings per appearance.
I don’t buy the wear and tear argument. I think 80-85 one inning appearances (which Shaun Marshall is on pace for) is more wear on a pitcher than 60 two inning appearances….with, dare I say it, an occasional three inning stint mixed in???
Yesterday Lou burned through 7 bullpen pitchers in less than 5 innings. When is some MLB manager going to break away from the lemmings and allow his better relievers to go more than 1 inning?
Limiting Innings
You know Marshall is on pace to throw more than 90 innings? If anything Lou has probably overused Marmol and Marshall. Hell, considering how valuable Cashner’s right arm is, I would prefer they be a littler more careful with him too.
by JSB on Jul 22, 2010 8:37 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
"Defining deviancy down"
So you are saying that 90 innings per season is too much for a reliever…Just like any starter logging 200 innings in a season is considered an ironman?
My point is/was: Frequent appearances, as opposed to multi-innings outings, are probably more harmful to a reliever. I don’t have empirical evidence for that, but it just makes sense to me.
Plus, it is 3rd grade logic that the more innings a manger gives to effective pitchers, and the fewer to lousy pitchers, the more games will be won in the long run
90 innings for a reliever in today's day and age is alot of innings for a reliever
You are basically arguing with the modern theory of the bullpen. If you don’t have any empirical evidence to back up your theory or anything at all except “it makes sense to me” you probably should be quiet. If all 30 teams are doing something there generally is a reason it’s done that way. Absent compelling evidence to the contrary, I am gonna go with the 30 teams.
Damn skippy
I’m arguing with the modern theory of the bullpen. My empirical evidence is Fingers, Mike MArshall, Sutter, Gossage, Lee Smith, Dave Giusti, Nolan Ryan, Bert Blyleven, Jim Palmer, Roger Clemens (early career, pre-juice days…look at his CG stats for early in his career), Fergie Jenkins, etc….all of whom enjoyed long pitching careers and had significantly higher work loads than the modern prima donnas. I’m sorry you think that I should be quiet, since this a discussion site for Cub fans…..and this is America so we do allow for contrary opinions.
I do disagree with the modern bullpen tactics. I don’t think you need to burn 7 pitchers to go 5 innings. I do think that relievers canand should be conditioned to go 2-3 innings on occasion.
You are in for a real treat if we get Tony LaRussa here next year
But you have already guaranteed that you will like them better than Lou, so that an some special nerve medicine should get you through the games.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
This is so silly.
Yeah, Lou left in Lilly too long and sure could have won the game had Marshall entered at the beginning of the 8th inning.
But it’s on the hitters. three straight innings of unable to hit a sac fly with a guy at 3rd. Come on. Your dislike of Lou is as usual making you blame Lou for losing the game instead of where the blame belongs. Houston’s bullpen is not good and those pitchers are not Heath Bell. Broxton, etc. They drew in the infield to take away a squeeze bunt, and we could not hit the ball far enough for a run to score. That’s not Lou’s fault or the bullpen’s fault. THREE straight innings of highly paid players failing. Anything Lou does is always to blame for the loss. Come on.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 22, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Was a good day
Shame it didn’t turn out better game-wise. But I made my train AND got to finally put voices with some people.
Definitely have to do that again! :-)
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
Yes.
Nice meeting you today.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 21, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Indeed
thanks for inviting me. :-)
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
You missed it, though.
Soto’s home run landed 10 feet away from me. If you watch the highlights, you’ll see me going after it.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 21, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Very cool.
But, I ended up picking a good time to leave. A guy was updating us on the score and i managed to make the train I wanted. Instead of being stuck in Millennium Station until 7:30 I was home by then.
So it worked out. I’ll keep my eye out for you on the highlights, if I can catch ’em before I crash. Sunshine makes me sleepy. :-P
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
Nice to meet you too.
C’mon out again any time.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Very frustrating game today.
But I can’t blame this one on Lou. Gotta hit with RISP. I agree, he should’ve called for a squeeze play, but at some point you’ve got to hold the players accountable for clutch hitting. End of story.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
by NDCubbie on Jul 21, 2010 9:59 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
....with that kinda payroll.....
….don’t get me started…..
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
Dusty Baker is the only manager in the last 100+ years to lead the Cubs to a post season series win....
"Take the hands off the clock, we're gong to be here a while"
I'm driving to Chi from Pittsburgh for the weekend, Al.
I’ll be at the game on Friday. I’ll come over to say hello. I’m 1-10 lifetime sitting in right field so I figure I’ll switch it up and go to left Friday. See you there.
United we stand and united we'll fall......down on our knees the day we win it all!
by Bricks and Ivy on Jul 21, 2010 10:09 PM CDT reply actions
Speaking of Friday,
I have an extra ticket to the game. Price is $36.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 21, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
if only .. if only .. dang, VCF, I'd KILL to go to the game
Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..
coda
ELO, 1975
I'll be there Saturday and Sunday.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
Can you make it Friday?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 21, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Sadly, no.
I’m flying up Saturday morning.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." -- Alvin Dark
I think you've got it correct.
1-10 in right field? Definitely switch over. And stop by and say hi.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Anyone still think Theriot...
is a better SS than Castro??
A better hitter than Castro???
Castro shouldn’t have been starting SS on openning day????
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
"It's so simple, it's unbelievable," manager Lou Piniella said. "When you score runs, you win."
Dusty Baker is the only manager in the last 100+ years to lead the Cubs to a post season series win....
"Take the hands off the clock, we're gong to be here a while"
Not this again
He also was 20 years old on Opening Day and had only 111 at-bats above A-ball. The vast majority of baseball thought the Cubs rushed him as is. There was nothing wrong with letting him get some experience in AA before bringing him up.
A sad and painful loss, to put it mildly.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.
As Al mentioned, the Cubs had outstanding chances in the 9th, 10th & 11th to push across a run via a suicide bunt. Doesn’t Lou see what we see? The Cubs either score lots of runs and get two out hits, or the well is dry. Clearly by the 10th yesterday, it was clear that the well was dry on this day.
Lou does nothing to manufacture a run and put the pressure on the Astros. There is a reason that the ’Stros are fighting it out for the cellar in Comedy Central with the team that owns the Cubs (Pirates). Lou: make the Astros make a play! Put yourself in the highest probability situation to score!
If Lou gets the reputation for often using a suicide bunt, it will force your opponent’s corner infielders IN and give your hitters a better chance to execute when you are not bunting. But Lou sat there patting his belly and expecting a different result. Time, after time, after time.
Yes, there is a reason the Cubs fail at winning games with quality starts and yes there is a reason the Cubs have an awful record in one run games. Lou. He is the ultimate example of managerial insanity (also: putting Howry in and expecting a different result).
The sooner Lou is gone, the better.
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
Did you see the infield drawn in?
They were ignoring the runners, letting us steal 2nd base, playing to throw the ball home immediately. It would take a perfect bunt to score a run, and out players cannot bunt! the percentage was definitely to hit the ball past them , hit it far enough for a sac fly. yet we struck out and hit shallow flares. The hitters failed…yes, perhaps by the last of the three Castro should have tried to bunt, at that point it’s worth a try. But this is all monday morning quarterbacking. These guys are getting paid a lot of money and should be able to hit a damn fly ball deeper than just past the 2nd baseman. It is their fault we lost the game, not some combination fans come up with to say they know better now it’s over.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 22, 2010 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Ultimately, this is a good thing.
The Cubs are now 11.5 games out and can no longer kid themselves that they are only “a hot streak away from getting back in this thing”. Sorry, no. This is the year-long bed you’ve made for yourselves. You have to sleep in it.
This will save me some money in that I will now hold off on ordering MLB EI until next season and (unless tickets fall in my lap) I won’t have to spend any more money on attending Cubs games this season.
Tick-tock JH. The 31st approaches. Time to reduce the payroll.
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
I used to think
a bad day at Wrigley was better than a good day at work, but in the case of yesterday’s game (and a few other awful ones this year) -NO.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 22, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Bad days at Wrigley are the worst days possible.
I speak from experience (yesterday and Saturday). Bullpen meltdowns both days, and utterly bizarre managerial decisions yesterday.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 22, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry you had to witness both of those in person.
Hope the rest of your trip to Chicago was more fun.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 22, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I blame Lou for yesterday.
If he had thought of a squeeze play (and I was screaming for him to run a squeeze in the bleachers), the Cubs would have won.
However, he was either asleep or intent on getting hitters batting average stats.
And his lefty-righty obsession … how many games have the Cubs lost this year because of that madness? Too many.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 22, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I blame Ted Lilly.
Yes, that’s right. I blame Ted Lilly.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 22, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I blame God
Why oh why does he hate the Cubs?
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Do you not watch any other baseball teams?
Almost every manager in the major leagues has this same “righty-lefty” obsession you are complaining about. It’s called good managing. Not to mention in this same game, the Astros manager pulled his closer and put in a lefty specialist to face Colvin. Seemed to work out ok for him.
A squeeze play might have won the game, but it also might have gone awry. If squeezes were such a guarantee, why are they so rare? A major league hitter should be able to get a man home from third with less than 2 outs. The fact that the Cubs failed to do so in 3 straight innings is not Lou’s fault.
If a manager doesn't
understand that when he is down to his last pitcher it’s foolish to do the lefty-righty thing, then shame on him. And the Astro manager pulled his closer after 1.2 innings of relief that day in which he had thrown 32 pitches and was getting hit hard. Also, it’s important to realize Lindstrom was the first reliever for Houston, so they had numerous arms left in their pen.
It’s called situation thinking. It happens to be more foreign to Lou than successful managers. And, regrettably, it seems to have set the stage for the team’s lack of baseball intelligence.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Maybe so
I wouldn’t have pulled Russell there either, but I am not pinning this loss on that decision. There is a big difference between questioning one of Lou’s moves (perfectly legitimate) and saying “this loss is on you Lou” when the players had 3 clear chances to win the game and spit the bit. So tired of pinning everything on the manager as if we only replace the manager everything will be swell.
I am with you on this one
I think that it promotes a Banana Republic type atmosphere, where everything will be okay if we just topple the current leader, and as a result, no progress is ever made.
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Yes
That is why I am always jumping in these threads ripping Lou. Not because I think Lou is a good manager (I don’t really think he is anymore), but focus on the manager to the exclusion of all else ignores the root problems of this organization. Not to mention the fact that there are probably only a couple games a season that can be directly pinned on the manager.
Completely agree.
I don’t think Lou has done a good job this year and should not be managing this team right now. But blaming every loss on him is so silly. The players fail three times and every manager is going to have something that we bitch about and say he could have done. With the infield drawn in to protect against a squeeze, the percentage was definitely to play for a sac fly or hit. Yes he could have pulled Lilly or tried a suicide squeeze, but really if he had done those things and failed, we’d still have a lot of people here blaming Lou still. The players failed. Replacing the manager would not have changed the season significantly. Put Trammell in there all you want to make yourself feel better and all you do is make yourself feel better with someone new to bitch about.
Shut Up Joe Morgan
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 22, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I would not say the loss was "on Lou"
if that makes you feel better. Standing that many runners in scoring position is very likely to lead to a loss, however that does not justify Lou’s very bad use of the bullpen that might have mitigated the craptastic hitting.
Had this been isolated ( and had I not been out there sweating for 4 hours)it would be easier to take but it is this kind never thinking ahead / righty lefty obsession that has been a HUGE problem for years with Lou. With better teams Lou had more of margin for error,( though I still thought he was a bad manager) in the past two years he has not and his flaws have become more obvious and more dangerous,
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 22, 2010 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
A note on the WGN telecast
I was able to catch part of the game on TV during my lunch, and I saw a couple of notable things that nobody mentioned here (maybe on the game threads).
1. They showed a long shot of Ballhawk Ken standing patiently at his station outside the stadium, and talked about the ballhawks. I was pretty sure that it was him from the first shot, but when he shifted and his left knee strap was visible, that was the positive ID.
2. They showed a shot of Theriot and Castro talking animatedly on the edge of the dugout, and Theriot was pointing at various things. I just imagined that he was saying “and there’s the other TV camera…”
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
I noticed both of those shots too.
On #2, I was hoping Castro wasn’t about to take any bad advice from Theriot.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 22, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Like going with bad hair gel?
"Wait, are you saying I'm a sunshine-pumping, koolaid-drinking, Soriano-loving, rainbow-rising, unicorn-riding, double-clutching, Sweet Lou-backing, Hendry-supporting, hey hey whaddya saying, Cubs are going all the waying, glass is overflowing, Rothschild is all-knowing, Cubs fan? - ballhawk
Yes, that was Ken. WGN retuned to the shot several times more. (Well, there was little else going on)
They made some snide comments and then later in the 12th (after Ken had left, it appeared) they took a shot of some of the younger ballhawks clustered together and made some additional snide comments.
Unrelated note: saw several shots of Al and Co. in the bleachers. With my new TV, it was ‘almost’ like being there in person.
My son was. This was his first Cubs game without the parental units. (“Sniff”…)
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
I read through the comments, angst and bickering on this board and.........
recalled a conversation I had a few years ago with my father in law. He said “Son, when you and your wife are arguing and carrying on, just stop and ask yourself………WHY DO I CARE?” I’ve done that since, and it’s stopped alot of unnecessary emotional investment and fighting.
Sounds like a good idea now. The Cubs are bad. Lou is bad. Period. End of story. Wait ’til next year!
The record with the Astros and Pirates say the team isn't focusing on games
If they were focused for these series, they would at least be close to .500, and we could still be agonizing over whether the Cubs are contenders. Losing often to bad teams says a team isn’t showing up for those games.
and yet they show up for the Phillies
just to torture us.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 22, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions

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