Let's Shut 'Em Out Again: Cubs vs. Cardinals Preview, Saturday 7/24, 12:05 CT
by Al Yellon on Jul 24, 2010 10:00 AM CDT
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PrintThis note from yesterday's game got buried in the comments on the recap, but it definitely deserves a front-page mention:
The Cards, who were held to one hit the day before by Philadelphia Phillies left-hander Cole Hamels -- snapped a major-league record of 2,370 games without consecutive shutouts.
It was also noted that this was the first time a Tony LaRussa managed Cardinals team had that happen, which made it easy to find the last occurrence -- September 24-25, 1995. The second shutout of those two was by Cubs righthander Frank Castillo at Wrigley Field on 9/25/1995, and it was no ordinary shutout -- Castillo had a no-hitter broken up with two out in the ninth inning on a triple by Bernard Gilkey.
I'll settle for today being a win -- but first, we've got to get clear of the heavy rain that's been falling in Chicago overnight and all morning; it's caused flooding on expressways and city streets.
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Blake Hawksworth (sounds like the name of the sheriff in an old TV Western, doesn't it?) was a Cardinals middle reliever until about a month ago, when he was inserted in the rotation. In his six starts he's 3-2, but with a 5.17 ERA and 1.755 WHIP. He's made three career relief appearances vs. the Cubs with a 1.644 WHIP -- so it appears that if the Cubs can wait him out, good things will happen. Current Cubs hitters are 4-for-10 with one walk vs. Hawksworth; no current Cub has more than two AB against him.
Tom Gorzelanny is having a fine season. He's been a consistently good starter and went to the bullpen without complaint when needed. He has not faced the Cardinals since he came to the Cubs at the trading deadline last year. The Cardinal who has hit him best, strangely enough, is Aaron Miles (7-for-15, .467, a double, two walks). That has to be a misprint, right?
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My yard looks like a lake!
Let’s get this game in!
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 24, 2010 10:10 AM CDT reply actions
You sound like the European Championship guys... It's been pouring in Germany too.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
My yard is actually a retention area.
It floods like crazy. We buy remote control boats and take em out there every time it rains.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 24, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
my basement is a retention area
every time it rains I pray the house burns down when we are not at home
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by hansman1982 on Jul 24, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Basement was flooded
There might have been a short circuit or something, some smoke coming out, firefighters had to come and check it out.
Pretty wild Saturday morning, I tell ya.
A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
by Azul Cachorro on Jul 24, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
my basement looks
like a swamp. The crawlspace looks like a lake.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 24, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Go Cubs!
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 24, 2010 10:11 AM CDT reply actions
today'
rf colvin, ss castro, 1b lee, 3b ramy, cf byrd, lf sori, c soto, 2b riot, p gorzelanny
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 24, 2010 10:28 AM CDT reply actions
Mind-boggling..
We get unexpected awesomeness out of relatively nowhere in colvin and castro, sign a free agent that is about the best hitter in baseball, get a bounceback year from soto and a decent year from soriano. Solidify the Pen in Marmol and Marshall. Silva has a great year against all odds.. And this team stink… why?
by DisCUBbobulated on Jul 24, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Ate too much garlic?
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Ramirez, Lee
and the front end of the pen – if Lee was average for the first half of the year we are probably 5-6-7 games out – not 10
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by hansman1982 on Jul 24, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
even if you take out the # of DP's Lee hit into
The Cubs still have more DP’s than a portion of the teams. Cubs are 2nd in the NL in DP’s hit, only SF has more.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 24, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
very true
but you figure if lee is hitting 40-50 points higher right now with 5 more homers this is a radically different team and it allows them to sit Ramirez sooner, although then Castro might not get called up…
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by hansman1982 on Jul 24, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Does Lou actually sit ARam
No he plays him EVERY chance he gets so he can work his way out his slump. Besides Geo, Lou doesn’t rest starters, even struggling ones very often.
BTW I looked it up. There are 8 catchers in NL that have more AB’s than Soto. Hill & his barely above Mendoza line has started 21 games.
Also Theriot leading off, and low OBP, didn’t help or some of Lou’s bad decision making (I’m not holding him responsible for them losing just an example there are others) So does DLee help yes, but does just him over come all of the other negatives?
I not sabermagician so I don’t have stats to back that up, but thats my opinion. But MAYBE if they are lucky it’s 5 games.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 24, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's a theory that lets you know that I'm a true blue Cubs fan at heart...
Ramirez and Lee have just had freakish slumps and will come back.. We’ve taken out the trash at the start of the lineup and replaced it with Colvin/Castro. Z will be a new man.. and the Cubs roar back in July and August..
And lose on a Theriot Tootblan the last game if the year to finish 1 game behind the cardinals, at 81-81.
by DisCUBbobulated on Jul 24, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I suggest you write a screenplay.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
Does Theriot have pictures of Lou and Hendry in the shower together or somethin'?
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
Who has pictures of Lou, Hendry, and Bob Howry?
That’s what I want to know.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
there are a few conspiracy theories flying around about Theriot and Lou
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 24, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
yep :)
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 24, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Why do I think the Cubs may hold sold type of inverse of this shut-out record
Like – Number of times the team is shutout in consecutive games.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
Nice to see some cardinals suck factor emerging...
Never underestimate the power of the NL central to be entirely mediocre.
by DisCUBbobulated on Jul 24, 2010 10:38 AM CDT reply actions
This morning the streets around Wrigley looked like Venice
Maybe they’ll have gondolas for the park n’ ride?
Fukudometer: Created 3/31/08 Wrigley Debut 4/5/08 WGN and Japan TV Debut 4/6/08 Sun Times Debut: 4/20/08 Coffee Table Debut: 7/17/08 (http://www.wearecubsfans.com)
The forecast really does not look too good
SIr Wetlinks and Dame Moistlinks
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
It's stopped raining and there are peeks of sun.
I’m sure they’ll try getting the game in.
But those were some crazy impressive storms last night and this morning.
Blake Hawksworth
Sounds like the name of a guy from the ski patrol in an 80’s movie.
Blake: “You’ll never beat me in a downhill race, don’t you know who my father is?”
Crowd muttering: “That’s Blake Hawksworth”
Protagonist’s goofy friend: “C’mon Eddy, you can take him!”
Eddy (Protagonist): “Alright, you’re on! If I win the race, the rec center stays open! If you win, your father can turn it into a parking lot!”
Fukudometer: Created 3/31/08 Wrigley Debut 4/5/08 WGN and Japan TV Debut 4/6/08 Sun Times Debut: 4/20/08 Coffee Table Debut: 7/17/08 (http://www.wearecubsfans.com)
Sounds like someone William Zabka would play in an 80s movie
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Blake Hawksworth sounds like a guy who would star in a movie along with Hunter Pence
And you wouldn’t find it at Blockbuster.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I'm thinking Lance Johnson might appear in that one as well.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
Hawksworth sounds like a lame character Lucas would shoehorn into the Star Wars saga
to sell a few more lunchboxes.
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by Gibbon Jockey on Jul 24, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Game two of the Miracle of 2010 coming up - Go Cubs
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
hahaha
now thank you for jinxing it…Cubs are gonna suck the rest of the way in…there balance has been restored in the force…
I Love Larry - Brick are you looking at random things around the room and saying that you love them - I Love Larry
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by hansman1982 on Jul 24, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
If jinx have caused I, Cliff I shall jump
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
well thanks to my quick
thinking the day has been saved and you shallath not needeth to jump from a cliff-eth
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by hansman1982 on Jul 24, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Not on WGN by me
If our cable menu is to be believed.
by williamzabka42 on Jul 24, 2010 11:08 AM CDT reply actions
Raining in Chicago.
Anyone remember that Cardinal player “Curt Flood”. I wonder why I thought of him just now.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
I have the same birthday as Curt Flood ;-)
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Soto now sporting a .947 OPS on the year
1) Koyie Hill should start here and there, only to give Geo a breather.
2) A certain poster around here swore that Geo would be nothing now that he stopped taking PEDs (the poster’s allegation, not mine). Nice to see said poster eating his words now.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Certain poster was right about the season thus far, though.
And I guess that’s what counts in the end. Haha.
A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
by Azul Cachorro on Jul 24, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
You'll forgive me if I don't bow at the altar of BLou
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Early Eagle
I looked up facts on Geo this morning.
9 catchers have more AB’s this year than him. He’s played in 78 games so far. Interesting stats if you look the top 9.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/position/c/league/nl/sort/atBats/order/true
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 24, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
How dare you question the lineup-making ability of our wonderful manager!
Our best hitters hit sixth and seventh and look how many runs we produce because of it!
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 24, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's second.....
the top two are WAY BETTER than the top 2 the first 85 or so games.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 24, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
shh... he IS leading off.. it's like one of those TLR tricks..
but the way Lou rolls with it.
by DisCUBbobulated on Jul 24, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
do you realize it matters once a game?
I would put my best hitter #1, my “leadoff” type guy 8th, pitcher 7th….not sure why you wouldnt want your best hitter getting the most AB’s and after the 1st inning he will have the OBA guys ahead of him…
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by hansman1982 on Jul 24, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the claims that leadoff is overrated are entirely overrated.
Well… maybe a bit overrated.
by DisCUBbobulated on Jul 24, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Great, Ludwick is off the DL today.
he kills us
Per Muskat:
#Cardinals make late lineup change. Felipe Lopez scratched; ex #Cubs Aaron Miles to lead off at 2B
I laugh at the futility of the Cardinals’ effort in trying to win today.
Doom.. dooom..
TLR has a sick sense of humor.. He probably thinks that Miles will have a great game today, and the bastard will probably be right. WTF is with him somehow always being right about the most idiotic and impossible stuff.
by DisCUBbobulated on Jul 24, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Has batting the pitcher 8th really worked?
Didn’t think so. He’s not infallible. But I do agree he’s a bastard.
Don't jinx it :)
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 24, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
The only real caption there can be
“I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!”
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Gorzo excellent
Pickup I’d think he might have more value/appeal than Lilly on trade market but obv. he’s still under control and worth keeping for future.
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