who knows what the future holds health wise for peavy.big z is still strong and healthy and while he wont fetch much due to his salary i would not trade him for peavy.

Z hasn’t been part of the improved play in the second half, so losing him wouldn’t hurt the Cubs slim chances at getting back into the race. And if Peavy is right in February, a rotation of Peavy-Dempster-Wells-Gorzo-Silva for next year would be pretty impressive.

But I don’t see the White Sox doing this. Putting aside the emotional issues, Z just isn’t that good of a pitcher anymore. Peavy is a legit top of the rotation starter, and Z MIGHT be a No. 3. Is the downgrade worth it to the Sox because they’ll get two months of Z that they wouldn’t get from Peavy?

I think the Cubs would have to sweeten the deal, either financially or by throwing in another player.

Wild suggestion: Z and Lilly for Peavy.

Z will never be welcome on the North Side again, that much is obvious. His antics would never be allowed on any other team, completely regardless of his talent level, which is still fairly high. He would benefit from having Ozzie and Zimmerman cracking the whip rather than the enablers Larry and Lou.

ON the other side, Peavy is still a top notch pitcher. The reason that Wood/Prior were always injury risks was because the Cubs never treated their injuries correctly (i.e. rest, rest, rest, rest, and REST). Give Peavy a full year to work through his injury, don’t push him back when he’s clearly not ready to come back, and you’ll have a solid #1 or #2 for the rotation. Demp is clearly The Guy right now, and Lilly isn’t much better than a #3 (even if ppl will try and sell him as a #2 or #1).

The numbers mostly work out, so that’s not really an issue for either team.

The Sox need starting pitching for their playoff run. The Cubs need to get rid of the cancer and get something decent in return. I think this trade makes sense for both teams.

In a New York minute. Right now I’d trade Z for a classic 1984 Ron ‘the Penguin’ Cey home jersey, a years subscription to Vine Line and a bag of peanuts. Just do it! Unfortunately, even though Z’s is a great match with Ozzie… I don’t think that Kenny wants TWO nutcases to deal with.

i’d still take the crazy guy who has all the muscles in his shoulder connected to the appropriate bones. peavy is damaged goods. he is unlikely to return to his previous, cy young candidate level of performance and in a worse case scenario his career could functionally be over. for all his flaws, real and perceived, zambrano is more likely to be able to contribute over the next 2-3 seasons.

Or is this post just wishful thinking?

I’d take Peavy for Zambrano, but I can’t see the Sox making a move this risky.

I didn’t realize this board was so full of saints.

Maybe you think about doing this in the offseason, and after reading that description of Peavy’s injury, I sincerely doubt it even then- but right now Z can still pitch and this team—an extremely talented one- has not been eliminated.

How many of the cynical bastards on this board are going to eat crow if Z comes back, apologizes to the team and then leads us back into it? Not everyone who is a winner-and a good person off the field- knows perfectly how to control their emotions on a sports field, nor should we expect them to. In fact, we expect anger and intensity from time to time from the Field Managers. Maybe Z crossed a line but the number of posters here willing to stand up in judgment against him kinda makes me sick.

I’d have no problem putting him on the mound tonight.

Being with a physical therapist who has worked with athletes with lat injuries, peavy will never be the same. I have worked with two pitchers with partial tears, not complete ruptures like peavys, and neither returned near to form. One had to give up pitching, the other tried a return, but re-injured it and effectively ended his career. Unless peavys salary is a huge dropoff from Z’s there is no way you could consider this.

…if I was either club.

And besides, even the idea of watching Z pitch in the playoffs for the Sox this year should be enough to terminate that plan. Nobody wants that.