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Review of possible free agents at 1B (long)

Since the trade deadline has people thinking about impact of player moves on next season, I thought it would be a good time to review who might be available as free agents after this season. In particular, I'm going to look at two positions where the Cubs are likely to have openings, first base and second base. I realize everyone's familiar with these individual players, so I'll just post a summary stat, but also use the list to identify which other teams might be looking to sign someone at those positions. TODAY: First Base.

My understanding of who is available is based on this list at mlbtraderumors.com.  If you know more about certain teams' plans, or young players coming up, please post and add to the limited information I can give. 

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At first base, notable hitters are Adam Dunn (.935 OPS), Paul Konerko (.929),  Aubrey Huff (.936), Troy Glaus (.790), Victor Martinez (.819), Carlos Pena (.751), Adam LaRoche (.781), and Lyle Overbay (.735). Of course, Pujols would be available if the Cardinals don't exercise his option. The Astros also have an option on Lance Berkman (.781) which is not likely to be exercised, as do the BoSox on David Ortiz (.908). For comparison, Derrek Lee has a .727 OPS so far this season. Note that's 10 players plus Pujols and Ortiz (not really a first baseman). 

The players' ages are listed at the link above. The only player rumored to be possibly dealt before the end of the month is Dunn.  Adam is likely to get a 4-year deal covering his age 32 to 35 years. Adam LaRoche is the same age, and may get a 2- or 3-year offer, but it depends on how he holds up the rest of this year. Konerko, Lee, Ortiz, and Huff are all 35 now, and Glaus is 34.  Martinez is 32, and Pena is 33.  Their lack of consistent performance (due to either injuries or streakiness) may put them with the older players as guys having to accept one-year deals, it depends on the market. 

So. who will be bidding for their services?  First of all, their own current teams.  But not all of them.  For first baseman, many of these players are not hitting much above replacement value.  For example, LaRoche and Pena each have exactly a 100 OPS+.  There are several minor leaguers who could step in and do that. 

Others have often mentioned Kila Ka'aihue of KC, partly because he has Billy Butler ahead of him and the talented Eric Hosmer coming up behind.  This year we've seen Ike Davis, Justin Smoak and Matt LaPorta get regular playing time, and Chris Davis get another shot. Knocking around in AAA are guys like  Jeff Larish (L/R, 27, Tigers), Brandon Allen (L/R, 24, Diamondbacks). [Edit: I had listed Chris Richard (Rays) and Andy Tracy (Phillies) but they're each 36 yrs. old.]

There are also younger prospects including Freddie Freeman (L/R, 21, Braves), Brett Wallace (L/R, 23, Jays), Logan Morrison (L/L, 22, Marlins) and Chris Carter (R/R, 23, A's). 

Here are my (admittedly uninformed) projections of possible starting first basemen by team next year. 

National League

 

 

American League

 

  • NY Yankees: Mark Teixeira
  • Boston: Kevin Youkilis
  • Toronto: Brett Wallace
  • Tampa Bay
  • Baltimore
  • Detroit: Miguel Cabrera
  • Minnesota: Justin Morneau
  • Chicago WS                   (counted as open, but could try Viciedo at first)
  • Kansas City: Billy Butler
  • Cleveland                       (counted as open because LaPorta can play OF and Hafner is a DH)
  • LA Angels: Kendry Morales
  • Oakland: Daric Barton/Chris Carter
  • Seattle: Justin Smoak
  • Texas                              (counted as open because Chris Davis is iffy)

 

Of the teams without a player listed, only Washington is almost guaranteed to have enough funds to bid for the top free agents. I could see San Francisco getting involved. Houston, Pittsburgh, Arizona, Texas, Oakland, Cleveland, and Tampa Bay probably won't be offering multi-year deals for big money.  

That leaves 10 teams without a first baseman.  Nearly all of the free agent players I listed above would be available on one-year contracts, or the AAA hitters would be available for a reasonable trade. 

When someone says "We can get a one-year rental" to replace Lee, they apparently mean someone like Glaus, Huff, or LaRoche, who each did well this year.  Such players should be available for only a few million, perhaps with some incentives.  

HOWEVER, the Cubs also do not have any first base prospects knocking on the door. I just don't think they value Matt Spencer, etc. that highly.  A one-year rental would make sense if

(a) the Cubs write off 2011 as a rebuilding year, and just want a veteran to corral Castro's throws or

(b) they expect another player to move to first by 2012 (Ramirez, Soriano, and Colvin have been suggested on this board) or

(c) they expect the free agent market to continue to be depressed, perhaps because of the (unlikely) possibility of a  work stoppage after 2011 or

(d) they want to be major players for Pujols, Gonzalez, or Fielder after next season

I rate all of these as unlikely.

THEREFORE, it would not surprise me to see the Cubs attempt to deal for a younger first baseman, especially a left-handed hitter currently doing well in AAA.  They probably can't get that for any of the players they are currently trying to move mid-season.  Maybe Larish or Tracy for Lilly.  What's your sense of the fairness of such a deal?  Personally, I would expect the Cubs to try to move other young players for a guy another team feels is not going to be a starter for them.  Taking Kila as an example, Jim Hendry might offer B to C prospects like Casey Coleman, Marwin Gonzalez, or Jeff Samardzija (if he really wants a shot at a major-league rotation).  There's a good chance at least one of the veteran free agents is still hanging around at the start of Spring Training, and you can sign him for a million or so as a pinch-hitter and part-time player.  Then, if the kid doesn't work out, you have a backup.  

Thanks for reading this far.  I have just tried to put a lot of information in one place, to enable rich discussion.  If there are errors in what I wrote, please correct them in your posts.  Obviously, given similar information, other people will draw different conclusions. 

I hope to post about 2B tomorrow. 

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, managing editor (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

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THEREFORE, it would not surprise me to see the Cubs attempt to deal for a younger first baseman, especially a left-handed hitter currently doing well in AAA.

Those of us hoping for Kila Ka’aihue salute you.

I’d also like to see the Cubs make an offer to the Pirates for Garrett Jones.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2010 10:27 AM CDT reply actions  

I would also like Jones

Plus, Hendry has a knack for fleecing the Pirates, which hopefully they won’t remember when we steal him from them.

by portlandcubfan on Jul 28, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think you need a sports talk radio show!

You’ve just nailed all the necessary qualification … Oh wait … You were kidding? Offer rescinded then.

by jerry morales rules on Jul 28, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice Rundown

Thanks for this. Nice rundown. Lots of holes to fill in. It seems Hendry will be the GM this winter. I don’t think you’ll see the Cubs in “rebuilding” mode, and the 2 positions you mentioned are most likely to turn over. With Soto, A Ram, Castro, Sori, Byrd and Colvin that is 6 of 8 positions filled for ‘11. I think the Cubs will try to go lefty at 1st base, so most likely that means Pena, LaRoche or Overbay. Pena could be great or terrible, LaRoche loves Wrigley and despite Overbay’s sub-par numbers, Wrigley could be a good fit for him. Also, all 3 of those guys play decent defense I think.

I also wouldn’t be surprised to see D-Lee back, although everybody seems to be wearing thin of that possibility. Maybe that ship sailed in spring training when the Cubs wouldn’t talk extension. Surprised to see him having such a lousy walk year. Maybe Al has an opinion on this? Is D-Lee gone for sure?

by SouthWabashSoul on Jul 28, 2010 10:30 AM CDT reply actions  

From what I hear...

… D-Lee will finish the year in a Cubs uniform and then move on.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

It would tell

me they wasted an opportunity to either recoup some money or improve the team in the long run.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jul 28, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Or, it could be...

… that they couldn’t find a trading partner they matched up with.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously other than Lilly

who do you think the Cubs could easily move and get either salary relief and/or get something worthwhile back?

by rlpete on Jul 28, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nobody.

They would LIKE to move Fukudome and Z, but neither will be easy.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pena plays a lot better than decent defense ... a lot better

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by lookingdeadred on Jul 28, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Everybody remember when we could have Dunn cheap????

What did we do instead?

Oh that’s right! Jim Hendry is amazing!

by TJ11 on Jul 28, 2010 11:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Can anyone handy with stats

let us know roughly how many runs at 1b Dunn would cost us defensively compared to how many runs he would produce? (especially since he’s quite adept at hitting balls onto Sheffield, although perhaps that is more because of Cubs pitching than his fondness of hitting at Wrigley).

by portlandcubfan on Jul 28, 2010 11:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Then

Also let us know how many runs Lee has cost this team with his inability to hit in the third spot of the lineup with consistency. Hint…its far more than he’s saved by playing 1B.

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by krummy12 on Jul 28, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dunn's Fielding

Dunn has an UZR/150 of -1.2 at 1B this year. Since this is the first year he has exclusively played 1B all year, maybe he will turn out to be a respectable fielder (not good, but not horrible). In 2009, when he started 66 games at 1B, his UZR/150 was -30.8.

At least he would be a big target for the other infielders to throw at.

by John in DC on Jul 28, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll take Dunn at first

I wanted him 2 years ago

Now we wouldn’t even need him in the outfield.

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by AGC on Jul 28, 2010 11:39 AM CDT reply actions  

However

the Cubs had no room for Dunn several years ago. Abreu would have made a better choice.

For what it is worth, don’t be surprised if the Nationals sign Dunn after the trade deadline if they don’t move him. Dunn wants to stay in DC and the Nats are happy with him. They do have him on the market but are evidently asking for a lot. If they can’t move him I wouldn’t be shocked if they try and work a deal.

by rlpete on Jul 28, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dunn will probably sign an extension with the Nationals

Management seems to want him back and Dunn wants to stay. But the price tag may be prohibitive if the Nats’ owner gets too cheap. If they think they can sign him for what they paid 2 years ago, Dunn may test the free agent market.

by John in DC on Jul 28, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

there have been reports

that the Nationals haven’t made a single extension offer

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 28, 2010 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Left-handed power

So assuming Dunn is a bad fit or not available that leaves Pena, but Wrigley is tough on Left-handed Power. The Crime Dog hit 30 in 2002-and I checked: 11 at home, 19 on the road. Before that, I wouldn’t be surprised if you have to go back to Billy Williams to find a 30HR lefty. Durham’s career high was 27. Pena could be risky. I suppose it comes down to dollars and years, but a spray hitter with bat control may be a better option.

by SouthWabashSoul on Jul 28, 2010 11:54 AM CDT reply actions  

Chicken V. Egg

Is it that Wrigley is tough on left handed power guys or is it that Cubs simply haven’t good left handed power guys to hit the HR’s?

FWIW, Dunn LOVES Wrigley. He loves it lots.

by jerry morales rules on Jul 28, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thinkit's way too early to figure out what the Cubs will do at 1b next year

I think there’s a lot of possibilites including Colvin manning the position. There are just so many possibilities her from freeee agents to trades to in house guys that we really don’t have a clue.

Maybe an OF free agent comes along that makes sense for the Cubs and pushes Colvin to 1B. Maybe the Cubs are serious contendors for Adrian Gonzalez. Maybe they re-sign Nady for a year. There’s just too many factors coming in from other positions to determine what is going to happen here now.

by jerry morales rules on Jul 28, 2010 12:58 PM CDT reply actions  

I would like to see someone younger.

Which leaves Jones, however, he’s not even that young, and 20 homers might not even be enough for a first baseman if you want to contend.

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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2010 1:14 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd prefer to

go 1 year rental and try to shoot for 2012 FA class. I guess going young would be ok since even by going young you leave yourself that out as a cost-controlled guy wouldn’t be difficult to move or push aside if you were to land one of the big 2012 guys (almost as an insurance plan). The one problem with going “young” is the guys you talk about aren’t generally very good. I mean Ka’aihue has some nice upside and Gaby Sanchez is a very nice young player but guys like Larish, Allen don’t excite me and Tracy/Richard are both in their mid 30’s… so i’m not sure how they qualify.

I’ve kind of been big on the 2012 plan for sometime because I think thats the ideal opportunity (given market and need) to find a big bat to anchor the lineup around our developing younger players and its the quicker route to contention

I think the biggest mistake we can make is a Dunn-type move. You’re paying for his decline and you’re adding an old asset (long-term commitment) to a team that is largely being filled out by younger players so the primes don’t overlap or even match up. By the time the team is ready to contend, Dunn’s production would have diminished severely. In addition trying to develop a SS like Castro defensively with Dunn at 1B isn’t the ideal situation.

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 28, 2010 1:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Just for clarity

You are referring to the guys (Gonzalez, Pujols, Fielder, etc.) who have contracts that end at the conclusion of the 2011 season, correct?

Pretty sure that’s what you mean (i.e., could be Cubs for 2012), but since most have called that the 2011 FA class, just wanted to make sure.

Shut up Joe Morgan.

by fsuapollo on Jul 28, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

it gets a bit confusing with the crossover of years, but yeah offseason after 2011 for the 2012 season is what i was referring to

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 28, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tracy and Richard are each 26 years old

unless I subtracted incorrectly. I listed their ages above.

Somebody take Aramis' bat off the restricted list, please.

by cubzfan on Jul 28, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

36

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=tracy-001and

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=richar001chr

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 28, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks. I edited them out in the OP.

I did subtract wrong.

Somebody take Aramis' bat off the restricted list, please.

by cubzfan on Jul 28, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

Aubrey Huff is 33…not 35. He won’t turn 34 until December of this year. And he would be a far better hitter in the Cubs lineup than Derrek Lee.

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by krummy12 on Jul 28, 2010 2:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I would

prefer to send some talent to San Diego for Adrian Gonzalez. The Angels were able to pick up Texiera (granted, it was a half -season, not a full season’s rental) for not too steep a price. San Diego has to decide if it wants to spend 30-50% of it’s payroll on one player after the season. The Cubs have a surplus of young talent at shortstop, outfield, and the rotation. Whatever trade we made would certainly hurt our minor league depth, but if Wilkens keeps drafting well those guys oculd be replaced.

Maybe a package of Gorz, Brett Jackson and Darwin Barney or something might be sufficient. Before everyone says that San Diego would laugh, short of the Texiera to Texas deal, there aren’t many deals for one year rentals where teams get an overwhelming haul. And before anyone says we can’t afford to deal Brett Jackson, what are the chances Brett Jackson has as much impact on the team as Adrian Gonzalez over the next 5 years?

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jul 28, 2010 2:12 PM CDT reply actions  

I would prefer to send some talent to San Diego for Adrian Gonzalez.

And I’d like 100 million dollars. Neither of us is going to get our wish.

I repeat: Adrian Gonzalez isn’t going anywhere.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh.My.Word.

Could you be act ridiculously certain of something of which you have absolutely no first-hand knowledge?

I respect you Al, but comments like this are condescending and arrogatn enough that I sometimes question why I (or many other people) come here for discussion.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jul 28, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whoa grammar police

should be “could you act more ridiculously certain”

It’s so much less fulfilling when you have to edit your retort.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jul 28, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Condescending?

Get a grip. You suggest something that is monumentally unlikely to happen. I compared it to a similar monumentally unlikely event.

Get over yourself.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 28, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really?

The third largest market team just happens to be in the need for a left-handed power-hitting first baseman in the off-season, and a smaller market team just happens to have one, and has been rumored for over a year to be dealing him at some point before his contract is up. And THAT happening is similarly unlikely to happen as you stumbling onto 100 million dollars? Stop acting like an ass whenever someone brings up a trade and we won’t have a problem.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jul 28, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

In case you haven't noticed...

… the “smaller market team” has the best record in the National League. Over the last year (since August 1, 2009), that smaller market team’s record is 96-65. They are likely headed to the playoffs, which would almost certainly lead to more revenue for them in 2011 in the form of season tickets and corporate sponsorships.

Further, the player in question is the face of their franchise and a key part of marketing that team to a significant portion of their market.

And you think they’d trade this player? Like I said, the chances are extremely small. My OPINION is that he isn’t going anywhere.

If you care to discuss this reasonably, I’m happy to. If you keep up your condescending remarks, we won’t get anywhere.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 29, 2010 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

problem here

is that SD continues to contend this year.

I don’t see how they’ll move Gonzalez in the offseason if they’re fresh off a season that they contended. Now perhaps mid-season next year he becomes available if the Pads are struggling, but I think it would be a tough move to make to cut ties with Gonzalez before even giving yourself a chance at making a run just one year after they made one

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 28, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

San Diego

has 2 teams within 2 games or so of them in their own division. If they miss the playoffs, I think Gonzalez is gettable for the right package.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jul 28, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

76% chance of playoffs

according to BP (non oil-spillers)

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_odds.php

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 28, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

So you're saying...

…Hendry should wait out the season and, if the Padres miss the playoffs, make a play for Gonzalez? I guess it wouldn’t hurt to ask. Problem is, I’ve read that Adrian is going to be asking for a Texeira-type deal in free agency. So the Cubs would have to commit to another Soriano-esque deal to keep him here long-term. I’m not sure the organization would or should do this. He’s a great player and all, but he’ll be 30 in 2012 and he’s already racked up a lot of playing time. I actually like Al’s Kila Ka’aihue idea. Or, of the Big Three (Pujols-Gonzalez-Fielder), I’d still make a run at Prince, looking to keep the deal at five years.

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by daver on Jul 29, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Further...

… I still maintain that the Padres really cannot afford to lose Gonzalez; he is the face of the franchise and a key part of marketing to the Mexican part of their audience.

If they do make the playoffs this year, they are likely to have a revenue increase next year via sales of season tickets and corporate sponsorships. Gonzalez, as a SD native, is likely to give them a hometown discount.

Just so tomas doesn’t come down on me again, disclaimer: all of this is my own opinion.

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by Al Yellon on Jul 29, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

The one thing I read (and I can't remember where I saw it)...

…seemed to indicate that a hometown discount was unlikely. But who knows whether it was accurate. I could see Gonzalez sticking in San Diego if they can get anywhere near his asking price – especially if they go deep into the playoffs this season.

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by daver on Jul 29, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

The playoff run is critical.

That would make them a lot more $, as I said, from sales of season tickets and corporate sponsorships. Teams often set attendance records the year AFTER they win the World Series. (Not saying the Padres will do that, but you get the point.)

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by Al Yellon on Jul 29, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Colvin to 1B is probably the easiest.

He was a first baseman till some point in his college career when they suggested he shift to the OF to get noticed.

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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 28, 2010 4:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Colvin allows the Cubs to go after a platoonish 1B if they can't/won't get Dunn

Pair up a LH 1B with a RH 4th OF, and let Colvin do his Al Oliver imitation and play 1B against LHP.

Getting a LaRoche or a Pena cheap near the end of FA isn’t so bad if you can keep them out of the lineup against LHP.

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by Invalid User on Jul 28, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

its been stated a bunch

but he only played 5 games at 1B or something like that, very minimal experience there

in addition, the bar for offensive production at 1B is higher, so you’re automatically de-valuing Colvin (considering he’s a good defensive OF as well) by doing such a thing

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 28, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we were absolutely cash strapped, couldn't find a taker for Dome, and looking for a 1-year stopgap

I could see Colvin platooning there. Nothing more than that. He’s not a first basemen and his talents are wasted there.

Then again, if we find ourselves in that situation next year, it’s not looking very good for us.

by madcow256 on Jul 29, 2010 6:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

A lot would depend on who they get to play RF

with Colvin at 1B

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by lookingdeadred on Jul 29, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would target a platoon-role RH 4th OF type

As I mention above, my thought is to build a platoon with a LH starting 1B and a RH 4th OF who can play RF, and let Colvin

- play RF most of the time,
- play 1B against LHP, and
- sub for Byrd in CF until Brett Jackson is ready.

Somebody in the mold of Reed Johnson with maybe more power but not quite CF defense comes to mind.

To me, that’s better than spending bigger money on a 1B and then also going out and wasting a roster spot on a Nady/Mabry/Nevin/Hoffpauir type backup 1B.

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by Invalid User on Jul 30, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they are trying to save money

dropping Lee and having Nady split time between 1st and RF would save a lot. I don’t want that, but if they are trying to save dollars, that’s probably the cheapest option.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Aug 1, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still think Gaby Sanchez is the best option,

assuming the Marlins don’t overvalue him. He’s about to enter his prime and would be solid at first for the Cubs going forward for the next half-decade. I’d like to see the money saved by going with Sanchez over pricey FAs invested back into the draft. Signing a bunch of high ceiling hard-to-sign guys seems like the best way to turn the Cubs into conteders; or at least better than going after an older but elite 1b in the 2011 FA class. I’m probably in the minority there, though.

Also, another prospect you should add to the list is Yonder Alonso.

2011 can't get here soon enough.

by Castro Por Presidente on Jul 28, 2010 8:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh, yeah, forgot about Alonso

Not a likely target for the Cubs, IMHO, because of being in the division, but certainly should be starting somewhere soon.

I also like Sanchez. With Colvin, Jackson, and possibly a lefty second base option, they can carry a RH first baseman. The problem is, what would the Marlins want for him?

Somebody take Aramis' bat off the restricted list, please.

by cubzfan on Jul 28, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

FWIW

signing Fielder would be starting for his age 28 season so he wouldn’t be “old”

Gonzalez would be for his age 30 season

obv “old” depends on how long you sign them for, but in a market loaded with supply (3 potential elite 1B on market) and moderate demand (Yankees wont be involved), I think the price could be less than many expect

My guess is the price on Sanchez would be steep now that they’ve moved Morrison to the OF, the Marlins tend not to give up cost controlled young talent without getting compensated in a big way

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 28, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hadn't heard about Logan moving to the OF

Any report on his defense there?

Somebody take Aramis' bat off the restricted list, please.

by cubzfan on Jul 28, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

he just moved a few weeks ago

so any report would be preliminary. He’s playing OF in the bigs right now with Chris Coghlan on the DL

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 29, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

My boss will be happy to know

that I haven’t been paying enough attention to the Marlins to know that. Thanks.

Somebody take Aramis' bat off the restricted list, please.

by cubzfan on Jul 29, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

i wouldn't mind seeing someone like Laroche or Kotchman...

They both should be in-expensive, are left handed, and play great D. Kotchman has had a bad year in Seattle, but who hasn’t.

I would also like to see Orlando Hudson at 2nd… he has a good bat, and great D, and usually plays on a winner.

by wfree0104 on Jul 28, 2010 10:09 PM CDT reply actions  

More recycled players.

Why not try someone like Kila Ka’aihue, who has been buried in the Royals farm system, largely due to their management’s incompetence?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 29, 2010 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 29, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know if De Rosa will be available, but...

He can play 1st, or if Hoffpauir can stick with the team, in 2011, he can play 2nd and give us some pop there. I know he’s “old”, but he’s a competitor, a leader and a good example for young player.

by basilflash on Jul 28, 2010 10:30 PM CDT reply actions  

I liked Mark DeRosa when he was here.

But his time as a productive major league player has passed.

Micah Hoffpauir? He’ll be 31 next spring and just isn’t very good.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 29, 2010 6:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Have you not been paying attention to DeRo's status this season?

Gotta love the DeRomantics, they are committed, or should be.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Jul 29, 2010 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

heehee

"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

by cooliogirl47 on Jul 29, 2010 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Question for Minor League Experts

I recently read about a guy in the Tigers system named Jeff Larish. According to my source, he’s a 27-year-old left-handed hitting first/third baseman who’s somewhat comparable to Russell Branyan with better plate discipline. Would he be worth trading for?

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by daver on Jul 29, 2010 9:37 AM CDT reply actions  

Looks like a little better version of Micah Hoffpauir to me.

I’d rather have Kila Ka’aihue.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 29, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same here.

But his was a name I’d never come across before, and I’m curious what toonsterwu et al. might have to say about him.

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by daver on Jul 29, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's up-to-date news on him!

Tweet from the official Tigers Twitter account within the last few minutes:

The Tigers on Friday will purchase contract of Jeff Frazier from Toledo and designate contract of Jeff Larish for assignment. #mlb

If the Tigers think that little of him that they are DFA’ing him, I don’t think I want the Cubs to have any part of him.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 29, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL - I just saw that and was about to post it.

The Cubs still might want to pick him up and give him try. (Again, I still don’t really know much about him.)

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by daver on Jul 29, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, DFA can mean different things

They may just try to send him down again, exposing him to irrevocable waivers. Or, they may have a couple possible deals in place to swap him for somebody else’s spare change, and just need the roster space right now.

Somebody take Aramis' bat off the restricted list, please.

by cubzfan on Jul 29, 2010 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

This was an awesome article .. don't have time to read it at work

Kudos, Z fan .. wish your boy could have grown up and stuck around longer. I think he’s gone as soon as they can shop him.

Blue mountains high .. Blue valleys low
I don't know which way we shall go ..
One summer dream .. one summer dream ..

coda

ELO, 1975

by cubnational on Jul 29, 2010 12:29 PM CDT reply actions  

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