Derrek Lee to remain a Cub
by Chanman25 on Jul 28, 2010 1:09 PM CDT
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Breaking news from ESPN Chicago indicates that Derrek Lee wants to remain a Chicago Cub. He intends to use his no-trade clause to block any proposed trade that the Cubs may be willing to make. Bruce Levine broke this story on ESPN:
Chicago Cubs first baseman Derrek Lee has told the organization that he prefers to remain a Cub rather than accept a trade.
The Texas Rangers and Los Angeles Angels proposed trades to the Cubs over the past 10 days for Lee, who has a no-trade clause in his contract. Cubs general manager Jim Hendry confirmed to ESPNChicago.com that Lee wants to stay with the Cubs until the end of his contract. Lee's five-year deal ends after this season.
Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5417150
Well I guess this means Derrek Lee wants to finish his career with the Cubs. It would make sense for him to go to another team if he didn't want to remain a Cub. If Jim Hendry remains the Cubs General Manager, I would not be surprised to see Lee finish his career in Chicago. It's nice to see that someone has some loyalty in the league. Honestly, he still seems to be our best option at 1b next season given the derth of 1b available in the market. Give him a two year deal, and let's go from there
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I doubt the Cubs resign
Which means he retires?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 28, 2010 1:15 PM CDT reply actions
You can't blame a guy for negotiating a no-trade clause, and then exercising it..
The guy probably just wanted some relative stability for his career/family. I’m a big DLee fan, and I know people have short memories, but he’s been a huge boost to this team since he arrived and deserves credit for that. I hope this is just a bad year and not the beginning of the end of his carreer.
by DisCUBbobulated on Jul 28, 2010 1:24 PM CDT reply actions
The no-trade clause is irrelevant
Lee has 10-and-5 rights.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 28, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow.. then a bunch of people are really misinformed..
That’s been the prevailing thought in about every conversation – that it was Lee’s NTC that poured water on any deals. How do the 10 and 5 rights work?
by DisCUBbobulated on Jul 28, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
It's irrelevant if it's in his contract or 10 and 5
He can wave both or neither. He choose neither.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 28, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
You miss the point
he has a no trade clause because of his 10-5 rights not because he negotiated for them.
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 28, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Lee *does* have a NTC in his contract
Which was a 5 year deal beginning in 06.
He became a 10-5 player during that contract (during the 08 season).
So either way, he can’t be traded unless he is willing… which he apparently is not.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
Yes, people are indeed misinformed...
Lee has both a no-trade-clause AND 10/5 rights.
The NTC was relevant up until he reached 5 years with the Cubs and 10 years overall in MLB. At that point, he had veto power over any trade regardless of the NTC in his contract.
So the NTC was only relevant for the first few years of that contract. And there wasn’t really any way he was being traded during those first three years anyway.
Now, the NTC is irrelevant.
Sure you can
If I was King of Baseball, I would nullify all NTC’s within the final 3 months of a contract. This is the profession that baseball players choose. I don’t think its’ too much to ask a player to play for another team for 3 months at the end of a contract. I really don’t … especially considering that even if he were to stay with a team, he would be out of town half the time anyway.
Oh, and this could be the end of the end of his career. There’s no guarantees that anyone will provide him with a suitable offer for 2011 and beyond.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 28, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
It's his right
Lee signed the contract with a NTC and he’d be a fool not to exercise it if he wants to stay with the team for the remainder of the season.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
You are right. He (and the latest collective bargaining agreement) have secured that.
From a legal standpoint, iI have no problem with what he’s doing. He’s only playing by the letter of the agreement. it says he has an NTC and he doens’t want to go anywhere. Case closed.
But, from an ethical standpoint, I’m not so sure. I lean towards thinking it’s selfish. It’s only for 2 months, half of which he would have spent on the road anyway. he’s been good to the Cubs, no doubt, but they’ve been good to him too.
To play off your words a bit .. I think he’s a fool to want to stay with the team for the remainder of the season if he could finish the season with a contender.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 28, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
He wants to stay in Chicago and have a stable environment for his daughter.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I get that
but some people are making it out like he’s putting his family in a stagecoach and setting off on the Oregon trail or something. He’s on the road half the time as it is, and he’s gone most of the day on game days. It’s not really that big a deal for 2 months.
It’s his right to veto the trade. But I think people are making what he turned down to be a bigger deal than it is. The Cubs have paid him an awful lot of money over the past 7 years, I don’t think this is THAT big a favor for Hendry to ask. It’s 2 months.
DEJESUS!!!
It's not that big a deal to you
maybe your family hates you. Don’t project to him.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
My family loves me
I’m not projecting. My family would really love to spend 2 months at a beach house in southern California, and I doubt they’d consider it a hardship.
DEJESUS!!!
Well, if it's good for your family
IT MUST BE GOOD FOR ALL FAMILIES EVERYWHERE!
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Not saying it is right for everyone
i’m just saying that people shouldn’t make it out to be such a hardship to spend 2 months in southern California.
Now go be caustic somewhere else.
DEJESUS!!!
He has a valid point here whether it is caustic.
What’s best for your family is not what’s best for Lee’s family at all. And that should be the primary focus for Lee, especially at this point in his career, especially with a special needs daughter.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't bring up my family, he did.
I said that I didn’t think it’s that big a hardship as people are making it out to be for him to go to LA for 2 months. He’s moving there anyways. You don’t know anything about his daughter, neither do I. You don’t have any more room to surmise what’s best for her than I do.
DEJESUS!!!
And since you DON'T have room to surmise
why don’t you shut your flipping pork chop hole and accept that Lee maybe DOES have a good idea what is best for his family?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Do you know that his daughter is a special-needs child?
It certainly doesn’t seem like that at all. They thought she was going to go blind, and then they realized that she wouldn’t.
I don’t understand why this keeps being brought up.
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first his house is not completed being built
second, his family can enjoy themselves ANYWHERE they want to, its not like one of us who needs to save for a trip.
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Is his daughter sick?
I know she doesn’t have Leber’s. But people continue to bring her up as if it were the kind of situation Dempster’s daughter dealt with.
If I recall correctly, Lee’s daughter had vision problems in one eye, they thought it was Leber’s, they were afraid she was going to go blind in that eye, and then they realized that it was a misdiagnosis and she isn’t going blind.
I fail to see how this impacts Lee being traded to LA. Heck, the ESPN story says he’s moving to LA anyway.
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They live in LA in the offseason!!
Not only is his daughter fine, but they are moving back to LA in 2 months anyway. They only live in Chicago during the season.
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I don't blame DLee for refusing a trade
But the Cubs have no business signing him to a contract beyond this year after what he’s done this season.
DLee was paid well and did a good job for the Cubs, but this should definitely be the end of the road for him in a Cub uniform.
If he played more than 1b, i'd disagree with you, but you've got a point.
I think you can put Lee in the “good contract” column along with ARAM. I’d say Z and Dome are in the “bad contract” column, and that the verdict is still out on Soriano – who’s actually having a pretty good year.
by DisCUBbobulated on Jul 28, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Similar In A Way to Bill Buckner and Mark Grace
It’ll be time for Lee to go after this season. Buckner had a couple of good seasons with the Red Sox after leaving the Cubs. Grace had a good 2001 season with the Diamondbacks. Both of those players had already had most of their good years behind them before leaving the Cubs. I suspect D-Lee will be the same way. I can see D-Lee having a couple of good years left in him, but it’s time for him to go.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
Agree.
I really like Derrek. He’s one of my favorite current Cub players.
However, to sign him to another contract would continue the Cub legacy of trying to squeeze another year out of a declining veteran and likely paying well over what the production would be worth, based on past performance.
plus...
you can interpret his choice of staying here as saying winning isn’t his number one priorty. Which is fine, but not someone you want around, especially if he is one of the clubhouse leaders.
by Comfortably Numb on Jul 28, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I know you are but what is this post?
HA…BURN……
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Loyalty is great....
… but Lee is not going to help this team in the future unless he becomes a type A FA and signs elsewhere. I don’t have a problem with him exercising his rights to stay in Chicago, but it bothers me tremendously that he is comfortable running out the string with a sub-.500 team. I think it shows his lack of desire to compete, something that has bothered me about Lee for a long time.
So, enjoy your final two months in Chicago, DLee. I am sure we can find somebody to hit into your 24 DPs next year for about 1/3 your cost.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
by Ross on Jul 28, 2010 1:50 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I disagree.
Just because Lee is comfortable running out the string with a sub 500 team doesn’t mean he has a lack of desire to compete. You can’t judge someone on that at all. There are a lot of players on sub 500 teams that go out and compete every day. So you’re saying just because he wants to stay here, he doesn’t try? Does it apply to all players on sub 500 teams, or just ones who reject trades? Is Marlon in that category?
Lee has be a outstanding Cub since he arrived. Granted, he wasn’t always consistent, but he carried himself the way we want all our players to. He’s at the end of his career. Clubs usually keep players like Lee in the hope that their work ethic and how they play rub off on young players. Would rather get rid of Lee and have a vet like Soriano rubbing off on our young guys?
As you can tell, Lee is one of my favorite Cubs. He plays the game the way is should be.
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Jul 28, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
it is a lack of desire...
its something that he has been criticized for in the past. as a competitor why would you NOT want to go to a team that has a better chance at winning? why? because he’s already got his ring, he doesnt care about another one, he wants his money, he wants his cushy rent-a-suite and he wants to be on a team where the manager just leaves him alone.
I understand its his choice to exercise 10-5. he just made a very selfish choice.
"There had to be a place where the game could be fun again….that place is called Wrigley Field"---Andre Dawson
Let him sit on the bench every day then.
Play Colvin (or another youngster) every day at 1B and let him get all the AB’s he can get.
by JimboJet on Jul 28, 2010 1:51 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
No way Hendry or Piniella would let that happen
He might get reduced time, but he’ll be in the lineup 5 days a week.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 28, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks Derrek....as if your lack of production in the prime batting spot all year wasn't enough...
you go ahead and give the team a kick in the nuts just to make sure everyone will be glad to see you leave after this season.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2010 1:54 PM CDT reply actions
Instead of complaining about one of the best players on this team over the last five years wanting to finish his contract in Chicago
Why not just smash his boombox?
Or, you could suspend him for the rest of the season. But whatever you do, don’t let him go to dinner.
Whatever dude...Lee's refusal to accept a trade is a dick move...in my opinion.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Mine too, SWL
I also think it’s a bit selfish on his part.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Agreed here too.
Clearly shows he doesn’t give a sh*t about winning.
Right
Now players are dicks for exercising their rights, negotiated through a mutually agreed contract as well as the collective bargaining agreement. I’m sorry, but what exactly does Lee owe the Cubs here? Lee should feel bad that he isn’t helping a billionaire save about $3 million in a losing season? If the Cubs didn’t want him to play all of 2010 in Chicago, they should have traded him before he earned his 5 and 10 rights.
Don't you think it speaks volumes about Lee ...
that he’d rather finish a contract with a fourth-place disappointment than have a chance at winning a ring in Anaheim or Arlington?
No
The Angels are in 3rd place and 8.5 games out. And the Rangers trade offer didn’t happen (Levine corrected the misinformation).
Oh, my god.
They acquired Dan Haren, they’re above .500 and they’re tied for second. If the Angels aren’t contenders, then the Cubs are bottom feeders.
The Cubs are pretty much bottom feeders
but I wasn’t saying he thought he had a better chance of the playoffs by staying with the Cubs. Clearly the Angels have a better chance than the Cubs, but they have no chance at the wild card, and they are 8.5 games out with 2 other teams in their way. I don’t blame him for looking at that and saying I’d rather stay where I am for two more months and start over next year.
Well, then we really disagree.
And I think a lot less of Derrek Lee’s competitive fire after today.
It seems to me like being a Cubs fan the last few years involves a lot of judging of players characters....
…especially when they are leaving the team.
I find that boring and also a little disgusting. For seven years, Derrek Lee has been considered a leader and one of the highest character guys on this team, and now fans inexplicably are finding him wanting as a person, at a time when he’s clearly on the way out the door after a long and fruitful Cubs career.
by JohnM on Jul 28, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 10 recs
He hurt the team today ...
and he passed up a chance to try to win a championship with the Angels. I can’t understand how you can defend that.
How did he hurt the team?
Tell me again how realistic the Angels’ playoff chances are, and weigh that against the stability Lee has fought hard for in his life for his family. Stability that is already about to run out anyway.
You think Lee is showing a lack of character for doing what’s best for him and his family instead of his employer. I disagree, but I also don’t care to judge the players constantly on their personal life choices.
by JohnM on Jul 28, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He hurt
the team by not allowing them to shed salary and pick up prospects for the future. That isn’t his problem, and it’s well within his rights to do so, but it certainly hurts the team.
He also has a much better chance to win a championship with the Angels than with Chicago.
DEJESUS!!!
I disagree on both counts
The amount of salary left is not worth counting, and it’s not a given that the Cubs wouldn’t have had to pay some of it. By all accounts, Lee would not have earned the Cubs good prospects. Even Dan Haren didn’t garner Trout for the Dbacks.
And although he would have had a better chance to win with the Angels than the Cubs, it wouldn’t have been a much better chance. If the Rangers offer turned out to be true, I would wonder about that angle, but anyway, this sub -thread is about how he hurt the team. He didn’t. (in my opinion)
Since when
is 3 or 4 million not worth counting? And some prospects are better than no prospects.
I understand your general point, but now you are arguing things that don’t make sense.
DEJESUS!!!
OK
But in the Cubs’ big market, multi-year FA contract environment, it’s about 2% or 2.5% of the payroll.
I’m wrong to say it doesn’t matter, but it’s not like the savings they’re trying to get on Fukudome, which would really make a difference for next year.
I just don’t think Derrek Lee has an obligation to help the Cubs save money and get a low level prospect.
considering that Ricketts is willing to erect
eyesores that bring in less than a million dollars, that 3 or 4 million is rather large.
by HuskerCorner on Jul 28, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
If Ricketts is reading this, I hope he has a defibrulator around
A few million does matter when you’re the one paying it.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 28, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough
Ricketts can start saving money on new contracts that he signs, but it’s not up to Derrek Lee to move across the country so he can make a 2% savings on this year’s annual budget when the year is almost over.
It's not Lee's responsibility
He negotiated an NTC and Hendry signed on. Lee is following the contract. Even without the contract, he would have the 10/5 NTC too.
It is well within Lee’s rights to do what he is doing.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 28, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
No one is saying that it's not within his rights.
There are lots of things that are within his rights.
People are saying that it’s probably bad for the Cubs, and indicative of a player who doesn’t quite burn with the competitive desire he may once have.
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by D98 on Jul 28, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
(whispers) I'm going to rec'd this...shhhhh
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by cooliogirl47 on Jul 28, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not against what Lee is doing here
He’s well within his rights. Does it hurt the Cubs? Who knows? Trades are a crap shoot and at least we know what we’re getting with Lee.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Why would it be significant of his competitive desire?
I mean I don’t agree with you, but what difference does that make anyway? This seems much like an argument below where someone said that it would set a bad precedent. He’s going to be on the team for 2 more months…who cares about a precedent or whether staying here shows no fire? The team sucks. We’re out of contention. It’s completely meaningless.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a little inaccurate.
There are a lot of statements here that it’s very wrong of him to do this, much beyond it being bad for the Cubs. Which is saying that it’s Lee’s responsibility to take the deal for whatever reason they choose. Not the same as within his rights…but kinda close to it. Certainly not just it’s bad for the team that he nixed the trade.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 29, 2010 3:35 AM CDT up reply actions
There are maybe 20 players in all of baseball
who could get Mike Trout. Needless to say, Dan Haren and Derrek Lee are not two of them…
Lee already has a WS ring
Just a painful reminder.
He doesn’t want to go to Anaheim for two month for a tiny chance at winning another ring. The Angels wouldn’t want him back next season, so he’d be looking for a new team in October.
I don’t blame him at all.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 28, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's idiotist.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I mostly upset because this means we won't get Hoffpauir @ 1B for the rest of the season.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Not very well.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
i was looking forward to scales at first myself
by jesus christos on Jul 28, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah... Hoffpaur...
Oh well he’ll just have to be lame in AAA a few more months…
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he'll be looking for a new team anyway....
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He hurt the team today.
Played 7 years hard, did his job, played with class and humility. And he’s supposed to uproot his family for a few months just to make you happy. Would you do that? Really? with your daughter needing special attention and a stable environment…to please fans? I think you are expecting far too much of Lee…that’s very selfish to expect him to do that.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I expect him to hit the baseball and he hasn't done that all season.
Is that too much to expect?
No.
But that has nothing to do with my post above. Post something of your own if you want to address his performance vs. your expectations. I agree he has had a bad season of course.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Your post above has nothing to with the overall topic.
If he wants to win, then he should go.
If he wants to put minimal effort in and be “comfortable” here in Chicago, then he should stay.
That’s how I see it.
My post was responding to what was above.
That’s how you carry on a conversation instead of just making random statements to provoke a reaction. Or talk about something else as what you seem to want to do here.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
can you do what he does?
can you perform to the his so called bad year he has had? if you think it’s so easy, go try out for a minor league team. or you could just stop slamming one of the few good players we have had over the last couple years. yeah….do that.
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Jul 28, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
How many times are you going to mention his "special needs" daughter?
She doesn’t have Leber’s, dude. We found that out like 2 years ago.
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How many times?
I mentioned her being special needs once that I see. I don’t know why you seem obsessed by this…if you have a link showing she’s healthy and just fine, then post it. Otherwise it really isn’t all that important if she’s still needing treatment or it’s just that Derrek would prefer to be near his family over the last two months of a long and distinguished career with the team. Yes he’s having a bad year, but that doesn’t negate what he has done for us or the character he’s shown.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm posting it because you're continuously claiming that his daughter is ill.
Each of my posts are after one of your posts in which you claim that his daughter is seriously ill, or has special needs, or has to remain in the Chicago area or something.
The fact that his daughter does NOT have the condition has been pretty well established and discussed to death, including here at BCB. The fact that Derrek kept his charity together is to his credit, of course.
Here’s Carrie Muskat on the news: (but seriously, there are hundreds of google hits on this)
Lee, one of the Cubs players interviewed for the documentary, knows about heartbreak. His daughter, Jada, was initially misdiagnosed with LCA, and he and his wife Christina were told there was no cure. Jada now has been determined to not have LCA, an inherited form of blindness. The Lee family is still committed to helping identify the estimated 3,000 people who have LCA in order to offer genetic testing in an attempt to find treatment and a cure.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090204&content_id=3797802&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp
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Congratulations on following me all over the blog.
I stand corrected. I wasn’t aware of this. Hope that makes you feel better.
Not that it really matters…he’s certainly earned the right as I said before in my eyes after 7 years of playing hard and showing class and dignity to put his family first, wanting to see them more. Yes he’s having a bad year. That doesn’t change him or his career.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure his family is either in LA right now, or headed there in a month.
They live in LA. I’m sure Jada will be off to school there in the fall.
I can understand Lee’s unwillingness to break up his routine, but for fans to ascribe all of these noble motives to him about how he has to stay in Chicago because he has a sick daughter who has to be here, when he actually has a healthy daughter who is moving to LA with him in 5 weeks or so anyway, is a bit much.
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I believe he does want to be with his family,
and that he means it when he wants to keep a stable environment for his family.I certainly think he knows better what his situation is than you or any other blogger. I think that is noble. Sorry for not being skeptical of him like so many people here seem to me…I don’t think he is lying.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I believe the Lee family lives in Sacramento, not LA.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Not sure where they live full time,
but I certainly saw Lee plus family in church on Sunday here in Chicago. Daughter seemed fine; my mom talked to her briefly – she didn’t recognize Lee – and found her delightful.
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by ChiTown CardFan on Jul 29, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
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by digitalbenjamin on Jul 28, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Character, maybe...
…leader? not so much. I don’t find him wanting as a person – I find him wanting as a baseball player – that is the extent of my concern about Derrek Lee.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
rec'd
for taking the words right out of my mouth
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Jul 28, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Pinero misses his start today
Morales done for the year, No Vlady, They got a 3rd baseman hitting .170 in Brandon Wood, They are 7 and half back to a team that added Cliff Lee.
Angels are toast.
by Grockcubs on Jul 28, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The interesting question for me is why Lee is exercising his rights
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
My guess?
He figures he’ll play more for the Cubs than he would have with the Angels, and if he plays well in August and September, he’ll be more valuable as a FA this offseason.
No, I think it's pretty obvious.
I don’t feel the need for the caveat.
Obvious to you.
So of course you don’t feel the need for a caveat. I don’t think that’s the case at all.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Several hundred wrongs don't make a right
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
When cynicism is your only defense ...
you don’t win points on character in my book.
That you're wrong.
And if Derrek Lee’s best defense is cynicism — ‘welcome to professional baseball’ — then he doesn’t win points for character.
Thanks for your opinion,
but no thanks. If you require professional athletes to care more about a 2.4% chance of winning a division (Angels odds as of today) with a team of complete strangers than taking care of his family and his future by finishing his contract with the team he’s played for for 7 years, I’m not sure how any free agents can meet your high standards.
Honestly I don’t know how you can be mad at Lee for this. I can understand disappointment, but not the harsh character judgment.
by JohnM on Jul 28, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 11 recs
Well said John.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Amen.
Fans that want players that have given their all to a team for 7 years to care more about a losing team than their family have their priorities wrong.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions
i wish there was a super green
for a great post
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
don't give me "taking care of his family and his future"
There’s nothing about going to Anaheim that would have prevented him from doing both of those things.
False
He may, as you yourself said
figures he’ll play more for the Cubs than he would have with the Angels, and if he plays well in August and September, he’ll be more valuable as a FA this offseason.
That’s taking care of himself and his future.
Also, you still think Anaheim is a place where competitive winners want to go? Really?
by JohnM on Jul 29, 2010 4:28 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How come a guy wanting to stay on a team he loves
means he’s suddenly only about the money. ridiculous.
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by digitalbenjamin on Jul 28, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
How anyone can blame the man for not wanting to disrupt his family life, he has put his time in, and he earned his no trade rights. Perhaps he would be willing to go to the White Sox if that would help the Cubs, but I can’t see any way to blame him for wanting to stay.
by neifiisgreat on Jul 28, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
"Team he loves"???
Right. if you think it’s love that’s keeping him here for 2 months you’re fooling yourself.
He has a right to do what he’d like. He’s negotiated it and he is following what the contract says. That’s noble, for sure.
However, the reason he is staying is because he has that right not becuase he “loves” them. If he loved them, he would do what’s best for them, no? What’s best for them would be to trade Lee.
This is about business, not “love”..
by jerry morales rules on Jul 28, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions
So the reason he's staying is simply because he has the "right"?... um....
And how in the world would you know why he’s staying… do you have mind powerz??? Maybe he thinks he can best help this team win by staying.
(note: I’m not saying the Cubs are better with him these 2 months, nor am I advocating that the Cubs resign him. I’m simply commenting on the folks who think he’s a d-bag for wanting to say)
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by digitalbenjamin on Jul 28, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Who cares if the Cubs win now?"
Does it matter if the Cubs finish with a .425 winning percentage or a .495 winning percentage? I don’t think so. I don’t know why Lee would.
And yes, he is only staying because he has that right. If he didn’t have it, he would be traded (if the Cubs could find an offer).
Don’t get me wrong though. I don’t know what Lee’s situation is. I may have made the same exact decision if I was in his shoes. However, as a fan and the outsider that I am, it’s a long shot in my opinion to suggest this was done by Lee for any other reason than it’s best for him. That is his right though.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 28, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
he's staying ...
so he can play every day for the Cubs — he’d probably split time elsewhere — so he can try to increase his value as a FA next year.
A multimillionaire can move his family to California for a couple months pretty easily.
The man is hitting .230 for God's sake.
Do you really think HE thinks he’s helping the team?
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
Yes!
If he’s not on the team, who’s going to yell at Big Z?
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by digitalbenjamin on Jul 29, 2010 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
This is a smart statement.
Then again, there’s gonna be a lot of FAs that are 1Bs this winter.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Maybe Lee wants to come back to the Cubs...
…next year at a reduced salary. Maybe he does want to retire a Cub. Maybe he thinks the Cubs can be good over the next few years and really does want to win.. Maybe Lee isn’t a big old Dick like everyone is saying he is…
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by digitalbenjamin on Jul 28, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe you're drunk.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a given...
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by digitalbenjamin on Jul 28, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
He may retire as a Cub whether he re-signs with the team or not
There’s no guarantee out there that Lee will get a suitable contract offer from any other team in the off-season.
I think there’s a small chance he retires after this season.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 28, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Lee has a tough year
People tend to forget what he has done for this team. Last years monster year is way gone I guess.
He has the right to stay, and I for one hope he signs to stay on the next two years. The idea of Colvin and Ramy playing first next year scares the hell out of me.
All you Lee haters will miss the day he is gone when Castro and others are throwing balls in the dirt and we have Ramy trying to dig them out.
Sure he has hit like crap this year, well so did Ramy.
Lee is a pro, well respected, I hope he stays.
Better to trade a player a year to soon than a year too late...
DLee needs to go. If he won’t go now, he can go in October. Here’s hoping he’s a Type-A and we get a draft pick for him.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
I move to pass the motion that every forth coming post in this thread conclude with ...in my opinion.
…in my opinion.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
You're not as dumb as some say you are...
in my opinion.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Yours sincerely,
M.Y. O’Pinion
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
No way the Cubs should offer him a new deal
The goal is to make the team better and re-signing DLee does not accomplish that goal.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
Now, in this case I agree.
Thanks, Derrek, for seven (mostly) good years and for being a good guy. But it’s time for you to move on after this year.
See? Loyalty doesn’t have anything to do with me wanting to keep players. In this case, it’s not a good idea. In the case of Ted Lilly, I think it is.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
OK
who plays first? A position that needs to be a offensive position. I guess Adam LaRoche and his 150 K’s, boy the Cub faithful will have a field day with him.
I want to hear the replacement before Lee is shown the door. No Colvin or Ramy please.
This isn't
fantasy baseball. you can’t just take a player off an opponent’s team because you want him. They have to be willing partners and get something of value in return.
DEJESUS!!!
Thanks for the snark.
Obviously, I know that. If you are just going to snark at everything I post, perhaps you’d be happier elsewhere.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I'm merely
repeating what you said to me about a similar suggestion. It isn’t pleasant to be talked to that way, is it?
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jul 28, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'd still offer a C+ AA pitching or IF propsect for Kila
Renting Kila and giving him a 3-day/week tryout at 1B would make a lot of sense if the price was affordable. It’d be interesting to know if the Royals would take a couple of Tony Thomas level players for him.
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by Invalid User on Jul 28, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Dunn...Adam Dunn
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
I think they'd be wise to trade both, even if it's just for the sake of 2011.
Lilly has been great for the Cubs. But the difference between him and a potential replacement in the rotation (Cashner or Jackson) isn’t worth his salary.
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by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jul 28, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought we weren't allowed to say someone should be replaced
Unless we know of someone who is available and better than the person being replaced.
Oh, stop.
You’re talking about what I’ve said about Jim Hendry.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And this thread isn't about Jim Hendry.
You think it might be possible for me to have different opinions about different people and different situations?
Because, you know, people do.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
A bit different...
… for a GM, than a player, right?
Further, I did have specific ideas about who the next manager should be.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Once Piniella announced his retirement, yes you did.
But you spent the previous two months calling for his head without offering a solid replacement.
DLee's contract is up
something will have to be done. Hendry’s contract is not up.
by LT on Jul 28, 2010 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Fans shouldn't have to name Hendry's replacement in order to point out that he has failed.
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by D98 on Jul 28, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
I've made that argument countless times
You sir are absolutely correct.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Yeah.
People post that I believe just because it gives them another thing to argue, an easy way to tell them once again they are wrong. He’s bad. We could hire someone the same or worse. Doesn’t mean at all we shouldn’t try for better unless you want things to stay the same and expect different results.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed
the argument that if you call for Hendry to be canned you must name a replacement is silly. I don’t know why Al keeps trying to make that argument, oh well.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 30, 2010 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Bat is too slow
Don’t see him regaining bat speed at age 36. Nice stay here, lacked some fire and leadership qualities but was above avg. overall. Don’t see any standout replacement candidates but maybe Hendry will pull somethin out of the hat!! I strongly prefer a lefty hitter at 1B or at least a platoon featuring a lefty.
this
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
and if it's convenience....
so what?
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by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jul 28, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Baseball players lose the basic rights we enjoy once they sign a multimillion $ contract apparently
I wouldn’t expect you to move across the country for two months so your company can save a little money, but Derrek Lee owes that to us. Somehow.
That's pretty much it.
Baseball fans feel that once a player makes millions of $$$$, they are beholden to the fan base to sacrifice personal and family preferences for “the good of the team” no matter how absurd the request.
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." - Albert Einstein
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jul 28, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still don't get the logic in this case
“D-Lee needs to show loyalty to the Cubs by agreeing to go play for some other team for two months, then, at the end of the two months, he has no job with either team.”
Huh?
Don't ask me?
I’m as befuddled as anyone else as to how this line of thinking makes any sense.
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." - Albert Einstein
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jul 28, 2010 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm basically a sympathetic person, but I cant see the "sacrifice" here....
if a player wants to stay in town I’m sure he has made enough money to do so. This keeping a player/manager for sentimental reasons has become tiresome and could go on forever.
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jul 28, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not that I *WANT* him to stay for sentimental reasons...
it’s that I can understand him wanting to stay for reasons that have nothing to do with baseball. You can understand that, right? I LOVE my job and I honestly would do just about anything for the betterment of the organization I work for… but there are limits to what I’m willing to do. For example, I wouldn’t be willing to move to California if I were at the stage of my life/career that Lee is at now.
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." - Albert Einstein
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jul 28, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont think you want him for sentimental reasons but I do think the Cubs organization tends to lean that way
I truly feel for Lee in particular, but I hate to say it, I want whats best for the team at ALL costs right now…barring personal injury of course. I cant help it Shawn :(
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by cooliogirl47 on Jul 28, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
No doubt, and I share that concern.
I’m just trying to counter the people vilifying Lee based on what is from the outside a totally reasonable and defensible decision.
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." - Albert Einstein
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jul 28, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
right, I get that
btw, I like your sig line, makes me feel better about my struggle to learn more about this game and what doesn’t seem to sink into my brain :)
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by cooliogirl47 on Jul 28, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Over your daughter and family?
I don’t believe you mean that Coolio. I would like the team to do all they can as well, but not over what’s best for your family, especially not with someone who has given to us for so long.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
....if that's what's really at stake here then I'd choose my family of course....
but if the Cubs have that attitude for every player or manager we sign aren’t you afraid we’ll end up a sort of retirement club? I’ve seen this happen before with the Cubs!
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by cooliogirl47 on Jul 28, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
That's very true Coolio.
I agree with you. But I do think that is what’s really at stake with Derrek. His peformance this year has hurt the team. But he’s played a long time for us and been a class act the whole way. This is special situation. He’s not going to generate Pujols in return or a top prospect. I don’t think should have been that hard a decision for him, that he says he gave it a lot of thought to me just shows the kind of person and father he is. I think most athletes could learn so much from him.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
you guys are better humans than I....
what I dont get is why NO other team in town goes through this moral dilemma like the Chicago Cubs do when it comes time to letting players go. The Hawks just got rid of a handful of Stanley Cup WINNERS and no one said a thing about their families, how long they were on the team or whether they wanted to be traded or not, or anything about the loyalty the Blackhawks should have toward them. Why Gus, Why?
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by cooliogirl47 on Jul 28, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Well for one,
Those players were just traded in the offseason, not expected to leave for a few months. that’s a different situation entirely to me, not even talking about their family needs or how long they had already been in Chicago.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
none of them had the choice
so they could not decide if it was best to move or not. Since they didn’t have that option, none of them made such a comment, and it was a moot point.
they also were traded during the off season, not mid season, so they have time to shop for a home, get comfortable in their new hometown before dad hits the road again.
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
moot point to comment about it by them
not a moot point for you to ask
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
ok...I give ;)
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by cooliogirl47 on Jul 28, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
btw I am jealous
who is gus?
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
do you know Gooney-goo goo?
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by cooliogirl47 on Jul 28, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
was he at eagle River in 1978?
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
IDK... I think he was in a red leather suit tho
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by cooliogirl47 on Jul 28, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Got a bigfoot from the woods...
shaved her down…
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Why did the Blackhawks do what they did?
They had to because of NHL salary cap rules. No other reason. There’s no way they would have done this otherwise.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
thats another good point
a hard salary cap played big into it, and there was no secret that a lot of changes were coming
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Bleed Castro Blue
gotcha
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by cooliogirl47 on Jul 28, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Again about the daughter.
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t his daughter’s situation, essentially, less-than-perfect vision in 1 eye, correctable with glasses, no further vision deterioration expected?
I mean, you’re calling for a “stable environment” for her, for crying out loud…. am I missing something? I’m legitimately curious, as I don’t know what you’re referring to.
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i remember hearing she was no longer ill
was misdiagnosed, and Lee said he would continue to help the cause since he ah started to and didn’t want to turn his back on it
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Bleed Castro Blue
He said he wanted a stable environment for his daughter.
For crying out loud. I believe him. That’s what you are missing. You believe you know exactly where his family is at all times and his desire to have them stay living as they have is meaningless. I don’t I believe him. That’s what I’m referring to.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually...
I did move halfway across the country for a month so my company can save a little money.
And I make far less than a million.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Jul 28, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a consultant
I basically move to different cities for months or years at a time to help my company make money. We’re talking about Lee spending a few extra days in hotels over the next month or two, not packing up his house and driving a Uhaul cross country.
The guy’s earned the right to decide where he wants to play. But let’s not make mountains out of molehills here.
You live as a consultant travelling around.
That’s nothing like a family having the same arrangement for 7 years. It isn’t a big deal here…he wasn’t going to bring a large return for 2 months, and he has earned the right to decide. But to say it doesn’t make any difference what his family does…it does to him and that means something to me. Hyperbole doesn’t change that.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
He's on the rode for almost half the baseball season
And his family lives in LA already during the offseason.
I said he has a right to decide, but I just wanted to stop hearing “uproot” when really it means “spent more days at the place I already have a second house for 2 months”. “Uproot” is nothing but pure hyperbole in this situation.
lol
I rarely point out spelling errors because most everyone will make them posting often. I’m agreeing with you that hyperbole doesn’t change anything. It’s just to me we know that it means something to him so using reverse hyperbole it is meaningless is equally as wrong. Good night.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 29, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
It's a simple statement.
the author of this post seemed proud of Lee’s “loyalty” when in fact this has more to do with what’s best for Lee’s family than anything else. I don’t begrudge him that, that’s his choice and he’s looking out for what’s important.
Beyond that, do I wish Lee would go away? Yes.
Also
I’ve always wondered whether Lee was a good guy or just a quiet guy. Is he a guy who quietly leads by example or a guy who just does his own thing. Does he keephis emotions to himself or is he just not care very much.
I don’t know the answer, and I’m not suggesting one thing or another.
I am disappointed by him refusing a trade. It is well within his rights, that’s for sure. But he also is showing that winning a championship is secondary to his personal comfort and the comfort of his family. That’s great for his family, but it’s a bummer for us. I really hope he’s not back next year.
DEJESUS!!!
I respect his decision.
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by katie casey on Jul 28, 2010 3:02 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
WHEN DID BASEBALL REFERENCE ADD WAR??!!
THIS IS LIKE CHRISTMAS!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
OH NOES!!!! DERREK LEE SHOULD EAT A BAG OF DICKS!!!
He’s horrible because:
He doesn’t care about winning!!!!
He is all about the Monnies!!!
He’s just about convenience!!!!
He only carez about his families!!!
He likes it here and want’s to stay!!!
He wants the Cubs to loose!!!!
He is too quiet and has no desire to W1N!!!!!
He once swung at Chris Young and missed!!!!!!
He Swarz at Big Z in the dugout!!!!
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by digitalbenjamin on Jul 28, 2010 3:05 PM CDT reply actions
He IS the best #7 hitter who gets to bat 3rd in the National League.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
He hits into double plays on purpose!!!
He’s too tall and makes me feel inadequate!!!
He picked a non-conventional spelling of his 1st namez!!!!
He’s stunted the growth of Micah Hoffpauir!!!!!!!
He’s THE WORST EVAR!!!!!!!!!
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by digitalbenjamin on Jul 28, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
best part was spelling 'lose' , 'loose'
assuming it was on purpose!
lol
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by Realist Larry on Jul 28, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Another possibility:
Lee wouldn’t be that big of an improvement for LAA. The Angels are running some sort of revolving door at first, just look at the last 12 games of first basemen:
McAnulty
Napoli
Frandsen
Napoli
Napoli
Napoli
Napoli
Frandsen
Napoli
Kendrick
Napoli
Napoli
Napoli, Kendrick, Frandsen, and McAnulty are OPS+-ing 113, 88, 89, and 28. Lee is OPS+-ing 87 right now. That’s not much of a change from the production they’re already getting. Perhaps the Cubs inquired and since LAA wasn’t interested, Lee took himself off the block.
Dan
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
No
This is one FanPost on an sports blog. Stop pretending like it’s something else.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
that's what I thought
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
You know SWL
I sided with the majority of your comments, but this one I do not.
Who plays first next year for this team. Lee has been consistent until this year, one bad year. If you can replace him with a better player fine, but who is that player.?
I'm the opposite...
I disagree with the aspersions cast at Lee; no one on this thread has any clue why Lee left. The best info we have is what Al posted below, and that’s third-hand (and runs counter to the negative connotations most are throwing at Lee). But make no mistake, a trade of Lee would probably be the best thing for the club. The reason isn’t so much that they have better internal options at 1st base – they don’t. The reason is that there are better external options for spending his salary.
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by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jul 28, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Well if that
can be proven the Cubs will spend the 5M to improve this club, then maybe I am on board for the trade. I just don’t see how that is going to happen.
Yeah, my desire for the Cubs to trade Lee...
assumes they’ll be able to re-invest the money saved on his expected 2011 salary (via arb. or a new contract) on another player.
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." - Albert Einstein
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jul 28, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
And even more so,
How would the Cubs possibly trade Lee for him. The logic here is unfathomable.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Players have rights, and teams have rights.
I don’t see the big problem here. If the Cubs want to trade him they need his permission. That’s why they write contracts.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
The big problem is purely ours...
… or perhaps mine. I want the Cubs to get better and to compete next year. I do not think DLee will be a part of next year’s team. He is, as crass as it is to say, a commodity. Therefore, I want the Cubs to be able to use this commodity in the way that will best benefit the team.
DLee, obviously, has different motivators.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
McAnulty
He must have gotten beaten up a lot as a kid.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 28, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh noes!
Now we can’t get that AA prospect!
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 28, 2010 3:25 PM CDT reply actions 6 recs
AA??
I’d say the best the Cubs could hope for is an A player with shot.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 28, 2010 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
This is what a laughable, horrible season for the team has generated. Worrying about this. It’s not Hendry’s fault…or the team’s fault next year when we fail, it’s D Lee’s fault he didn’t uproot his family to Cali for a few months for that AAA prospect we didn’t want before. That’s why we don’t have a good first baseman now.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
rec’d what will we do without a fringe prospect
I'd love to see a cross-section
of the people who are saying, “DP Lee sucks! He’s over the hill” and the people saying, “He has hurt the team by not helping us get the next Strasburg, Mauer and Pujols for him”
I bet they are some of the same.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I'd love to see
a cross-section of the sanctimonious people clammoring for a pat on the back for supporting Lee’s decision, usually using the examples of taking care of his blind daughter (who isn’t blind, apparently) and not wanting to uproot his family (the family that lives in LA).
I don’t think Lee sucks. I don’t think he’s a jerk. But I do take issue with people acting like he should get the father of the year award for this decision, and that being traded to LA would be a huge issue for his family.
DEJESUS!!!
Well, I'm glad to know that you have decided what is best for Lee's family
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Using hyperbole just makes your argument frivolous.
No one said he was nominated for a father award, no one said it was a huge or small issue. I have said I admire him for putting his family first here. Why you are so interested whether it is huge that he wants a stable environment for his family is beyond me. It’s important to him.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 29, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure
Derrek and his family appreciated to 50 times you’ve repeated yourself in his defense.
DEJESUS!!!
It'll match well with you repeating yourself.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 29, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, you haven't gotten it the first 50 times
that’s a you problem
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Maybe he'll change his mind
if a deal actually were to be worked out, which at this point seems unlikely regardless of the NTC.
Yeah, DLee has the right to exercise his NTC, but this just seems unprofessional. It’s not a situation like Peavy blocking that initial trade to the White Sox last year (where he had several years left on his contract) or Oswalt demanding his 2012 option get picked up. You have two months left, a chance to contend, and then you are free to do what you want.
If DLee really wants to stay in Chicago, he can lobby Hendry to bring him back for a hometown discount next season (which I’m not advocating the Cubs do regardless). I seem to recall the White Sox leaving the door open to Jim Thome if he wanted to come back after they sent him to the Dodgers last year.
And yes, I won’t cry about losing out on the potential return, but a AA player and salary relief is better than no player and paying the rest of the salary for this season.
Our best hope...
Is to play him and hope he becomes a type-A free agent.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
Ugh...
you do understand that the team won’t get compensation for him if he signs elsewhere, right? To get that the team would have to offer him arbitration… and no team in their right mind would do that to an overpaid player producing as little as Lee has this year. Lee is going to have to give up his FA rights AND sign a deal well below what he played for this year if he wants to be a Chicago Cub for more than two more months. Once he reaches the free agent market, he can’t come back. He’ll have to sign with whatever team wants him… if any will.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Wild Pitch 8-1
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2010 3:47 PM CDT reply actions
heh...wrong thread
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 28, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Lee = McGriff
Now we can see the other side of the equation….
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
Maybe you're right...
After all, Crime Dog was having a better season for TB when the Cubs went after him than Lee is having this year.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
well, then I guess we can hope that Lee will change his mind and allow a trade
by HuskerCorner on Jul 28, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
we can only hope.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
DLee says he “agonized” over decision to decline Angels deal. Says family played big role in dec.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Well that sheds light on the matter.
So there was an option to go to LAA, and he declined it.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I'm curious who the Cubs would have received in return from the Angels
I haven’t seen it reported anywhere. I suppose perhaps we’ll never know for sure.
Harry Caray: Marshall is going back to LA to get cocaine for his injured foot.
Steve Stone: Harry, that’s Novocaine.
by Julio Zuleta's Voodoo on Jul 28, 2010 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't you understand?
Anything a player ever does that isn’t in line with someone’s plan for the Cubs is a selfish act that expresses their lack of grit/desire/heart/Cubbiness/whatever. (/snark)
I don’t understand people being upset at Lee over this? Disappointed that they won’t get the prospect? Sure. But I sure would invoke my 10-and-5 rights if I were in Lee’s situation, and it would have nothing to do with competitiveness. There are things in life more important than baseball. Sometimes I think people forget that.
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." - Albert Einstein
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jul 28, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
Absolutely
But having said that.. If the Cubs want to take a flier on a Kila K’ from the Royals or somebody else who can play 1B (or another OF or C with Colvin or Soto moving to 1B [Colvin played in college, Soto at AAA]), then Derrick cannot grouse if his time gets cut down to 3 games a week the rest of the way.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Jul 28, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure when this was discussed with management
that the topic of his playing time going forward was addressed.
You have to understand, there isn't one current
Cubs player that has earned the Carl Yastrzemski status. By that I mean, the type of player that was able to achieve legend status amongst a fan base without providing a World Series Championship. However, for all of Lee’s faults as a player, he will be remembered with fondness by Cub fans. We are a fickle bunch and I don’t see things changing anytime soon, at least until a Yaz type player shows up.
Certainly Derrek has the right
to refuse a trade. But he is not doing the right thing for the organization. it’s always been claimed that he one of the team leaders yet when push comes to shove, it’s about him, not the team. Perhaps his leadership has been over stated. We’re talking about a little over 2 months inconvenience for Lee. That says volumes to me about leading.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Maybe he realizes there are things in life more important than baseball.
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." - Albert Einstein
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jul 28, 2010 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
And that is his right
However doesn’t he owe the Cub fans the right to improve the team? This isn’t about legal rights, it’s about doing the right thing. He does have the right to leave LA after two months. That doesn’t seem like a terrible hardship to endure.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
No, he doesn't.
If he owes the fanbase anything, it’s him playing baseball to the best of his abilities while a member of the Chicago Cubs. He’s done that. As a result, he’s earned the right to decline a demand to uproot his family, or to at least live away from it entirely for the rest of the season. Given that his daughter has a history of illness, I can’t blame him at all.
I fully agree this doesn’t help the Cubs. They’d be better off with the prospects, given the current state of the roster. But Lee doesn’t owe us anything more than 3 more months of outstanding baseball.
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." - Albert Einstein
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jul 28, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
3 more? You meant 2, right?
That’s all good and fine, but I’m waiting for even just one this year. The Cubs almost got something, anything, for a slugger on the last legs of his career going into a FA season, and he said no. Whether or not there are more important things, this is the business he chose, and that’s how this business works. You lose your productive abilities after making lots of money for the organization and you move on in a trade for whatever a team can get… especially when you’re done with the Cubs in 2 months anyway. Hendry tried to do the right thing for the Cubs and for Derrek (his current situation competitively and Cubs’ legacy) and Derrek looked out for himself instead.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure, 2 more. Whatever.
And you’re still wrong.
He’s played 10 years in this league, the last 5 with the same team. He has a right to say no. THAT’S how this business works.
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." - Albert Einstein
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jul 28, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Right...
and the countless numbers of veterans who enact this clause every year are where?
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Peavy and Oswalt did last season
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Wagner and Peavy...
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
When that happens...
I’ll be more than happy to say he did the right thing for the Cubs and the fans who have stood by him for many years through his ups and downs.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
It's two months
not an eternity. It hardly seems too much to ask.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
It's not too much to ask at all.
Nothing wrong with asking him to do it. I just don’t see it as an outrage or much of a big deal that he said no.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 29, 2010 3:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe he has
a desire to stay in Chicago beyond this year. Maybe he will ask for a real reasonable deal with the Cubs. Who knows what he wants to do,
He can still offer to sign with the Cubs next year
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
They won't re-sign him.
He’ll be playing elsewhere next year — and unless he lowers his price, he might not be playing anywhere.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
You think they offer him arb.?
I think he’d accept it if they did…
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." - Albert Einstein
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jul 28, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
He definitely would accept.
Which is likely the reason they wouldn’t offer.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
This is exactly what I expect, as well.
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." - Albert Einstein
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jul 28, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions
What is his asking price?
The Cubs will fill first base with a Overbay, or LaRoche type and the Cub fans will be pissed at there performance. Just wait
yep, agreeing with you here.
Unless we can get a player who has a better bat and glove than Derrek Lee, there is no question we need him on this team.
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
Unless We Trade for them
such a person does not exist in this year’s FA market. I agree with Grock the Cubs will sign a stop gap 2-3 year player who will not be nearly as good as DLee.
Better bat is fine. Glove, I can take or leave.
Lee hasn’t been any great shakes at 1B lately, anyway.
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kinda like Matt Stairs a few years ago
when Grace went to AZ
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Al...
point is, he could play for the Angels for a couple months and then resign here, if playing in Chicago is so important to him.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Screw that...
I want ‘em ALL gone. A-Ram, ’Dome, Z, Lee, Riot, Fonz, Nady, Fontenot, Baker and Hill…plus ALL pitchers but Demp, Marmol, Wells and Howry (just kiddin’ on Howry). That’s what I call blowin’ it up. May be expensive, but, it ain’t my money.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
I'd take him back
…on a far-reduced contract and a much-lower spot in the lineup. He still would have value as a defensive first baseman who didn’t make much. The team is getting good production now from short, catcher and the outfield. It can do with a little less from 1b. He also could have provided leadership (though he just blew that now).
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Any part of this 2010 team that is brought back that doesn't have to be...would be asinine.
Enough is enough. This crew’s window of opportunity closed at the end of ’08. Time to say good-byes and try again with a fresh bunch.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
That's just not true...
There’s a number that would make sense. It’s a small number, but it’s there. There aren’t a lot of better options out there unless Hendry puts on his trading hat, or gets creative with moving a guy from another position (Soriano?). If the other mediocre options are too expensive than their worth, the team could do worse than taking a flyer on Lee having a come back season next year… as long as he does it for cheap.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I totally disagree...
We got a catcher (Soto), a SS (Castro), 3 OFs (Fonz (although, if they can move him, they should), Byrd and Colvin), 3 starters (Demp, Wells and Gorz) and 2 Relievers (Marmol & Marshall). Cashner needs more time in AAA. He has a 100 MPH fastball…these ML hitters LOVE 100MPH fastballs. He needs 2 more pitches. Other than who I’ve mentioned…who else is worth keeping? Nobody. The entire bench is garbage. Same with the bullpen…minus who I already mentioned. This team is WAY off of being competitive.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
Wow...
You keep coming up with things from left field. I certainly never contended the Cubs would contend next year… nowhere did I say that. They certainly don’t have anybody in the organization capable of taking over 1b unless they move Vitters there, and his bat might not play all that well there.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
And...
I would certainly take him back and a much-reduced price and far lower place in the lineup.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
given the nature of the team the last two years
I think his leadership qualities have been overstated. Good guy yes, leader no.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
but as long as its there, we cant hold it against a player for using it
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please dont think that I'm holding it against him....I just wish he would have agreed to be traded
I know alot of players would do the same thing, and I positively dont hate on DLee
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by cooliogirl47 on Jul 28, 2010 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
the Cubs would not have really gained anything
salary relief? we owe him the same at the end of the season no matter what
promote a kid to play 1b? who would we promote Hoff again
I understand many wish he left, to me we would have lost more than gained, so no harm IMHO
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Not true...
If the Cubs traded him, then LA would most likely be taking on his salary for the rest of the season OR giving the Cubs a worth-while prospect in return. Also, this would free up Derrek to return to the Cubs on contract for a reduced salary. With this decision, he’ll have to find a new place for his family to live, since Derrek will not be playing baseball for the Cubs in 2011.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
he can still sing at a reduced salary, its called being a FA
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No, he can't
Once the Cubs decline his arbitration, that’s it… unless they want to wait until next May to bring him back in. That’s how that works. He either gets 20% less to play for the Cubs (far above his value on the market and on the field) or he plays for another team.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
they can sign him before having to offer arb
for starters. he does not have to go to arb in order to play again as a Cub
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Sigh...
They cannot tender him a contract at less than 20% of the value of his previous year’s contract. There’s no way around that.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
let me correct you
A club may not renew a contract at a salary less than 80% of the player’s salary and performance bonuses the previous year or less than 70% of his salary and performance bonuses from two years earlier
70<80 for starters
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IIRC, You have to offer the greater of those two figures.
A club may not renew for less than 80% of last year OR 70% of two years ago.
You don’t get to choose which one. You can’t renew for less than either figure.
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Maximum Salary Reduction
In tendering a contract to a player (or renewing the contract of a player not yet arbitration-eligible), a club’s salary offer may not be less than 80% of the player’s salary and performance bonuses the previous year or less than 70% of his salary and performance bonuses from two years earlier.
The 80% requirement does not apply if a player won an arbitration award the previous year increasing his salary 50% or more.
For split contracts (paying a player one rate when he is in the Major Leagues and a lesser rate when he is in the minors), the maximum cut rule is 60% of the player’s salary from the previous season.
i was on the right path, missing some details points
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I agree...
…as much as players get paid I think an organization should have the right to seek trades on any player as long as the contract is honored.
btw, If I were Lee I would be doing the same thing.
The 10/5 rule has been in effect for almost 40 years.
It’s not going anywhere.
The first player to invoke it, incidentally, was… Ron Santo.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That...
is an interesting nugget of Cub wisdom. It was a much different time when this rule was enacted. It needs to go. I have no reason to believe it will though. There are simply far more battles to wage when it comes to player compensation. As I’ve said plenty of times, this situation just doesn’t come up very often. Most MLB veterans at the end of their value simply accept a trade once they’ve made their millions and can move on to a competitive situation. Derrek Lee, as per his rights, has decided not to do that.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
The Angels are in 3rd place and 8.5 back in their division, not really the epitome of a "competitive situation."
The Angels don’t have much of a shot at winning their division and now that Piniero is out they may even be sellers. Had DLee accepted the trade it’s quite possible the Angels could have turned around and dealt him to someone else. It’s also likely he would have to split playing time which could hurt his value when he becomes a free agent at the end of the year. So, even if you think he’s made his millions, it’s quite possible he would like to increase not decrease his value before his next contract.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jul 29, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let the record show...
… that for once, ATP and I agree completely.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Makes sense.
Santo, like Lee apparently, clearly doesn’t care about winning. Just listen to his indifference on the radio.
i dont have a problem with him doing it
First, yes the angels have a winning record, but the lead the rangers have and the distance behind in the wild card, the angels have about as much of a chance as the cubs of making the playoffs. o.k., maybe a little more, but not a sure thing. so why uproot everything for a small chance to go to the playoffs.
second, there might ne more suitors for him that he might prefer more. the deadline isnt here yet.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
Moving to LA
for a little over 2 months can hardly be referred to as uprooting everything.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
If I had a daughter that was hospitalized the previous year... and my boss told
me to move away for the next few months, and I had earned the right to say “NO”….. well, guess what I’d say?
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by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jul 28, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well according to some here,
Fans on the BCB log will be angry at your selfishness. That’s more important obviously…GMoney34 won’t like your decision, Derrek.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
When was she hospitalized?
I’m actually curious about this.
I know about the Lebers’ congenital stuff, but that turned out to be a misdiagnosis, and it was like 6 years ago.
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There's nothing more than that
People are either uninformed about how that story played out, or uninterested.
He’s allowed to say no. We don’t have to pretend a guy who’s only home 3 days a week is being “uprooted” or that his daughter is dying to justify the decision.
maybe uprooting everything was extreme
but either way, if he wants to watch the playoffs at home, he can do that right there in chicago. Do you think the halos will really catch texas? I dont, and i doubt he does either. Maybe the white sox will call and he wont even have to leave town.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
So Lee...
Isn’t interested in winning this year. Got it.
by kanderber on Jul 28, 2010 5:35 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
winning what?
the angels are struggling, cant beat texas, and without a miracle wont catch them either. the w/c is out of the question. whats he gonna win?
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by imacubman on Jul 28, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fair enough...
I had no idea they were 8.5 back. Makes you wonder why they’d even want to acquire him in the first place.
they are grasping at straws.
They went and got Haren, and he gets drilled in the arm on a comebacker in his first start. Just not their year.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
Don't listen to these guys...
You’re right. The Cubs sure as heck aren’t winning anything (especially with him at first base). The Angels wouldn’t be going after Lee unless they were making a serious run at winning. If Derrek Lee doesn’t want to play for them for a couple months, he’s not interested in winning… for the Cubs or anybody else. I’ll applaud him all day long for thinking of his family, but that doesn’t make pennants fly at Wrigley, and won’t put rings on his finger.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
you actually believe this
or are you just pissed because he didnt accept the move. Even if the angels were to get him, and somehow someway overtake the rangers, do you think they would have a prayer against any of the al east teams, which they would be playing one in the first round (that much you can pretty much take to the bank).
The angels are not coming back, and if you believe they are, maybe you will be glad Lee didnt go so when we make the playoffs, we have a good 1st baseman.
"Baseball is ninety percent mental. The other half is physical." -Yogi Berra
When the Cubs make the playoffs...
in 2011? 2012? Lee will be long gone by then. He’s done here after two months now. The Cubs can’t possibly bring him back since there’s no way they offer him arbitration. That’s just the rules.
I’ve seen crazy things in the AL West, man. Crazy things… And yes, Texas does falter in August and September. That’s just cold fact… or blazing frickin hot fact, actually. As Derrek had to accept in his Cubs tenure, any October baseball is better than none at all.
But please enlighten me… if the Angels weren’t going after Lee to make the AL West a race, then why were they doing it? For giggles? To keep people going to Edison rather than Disneyland? So they finished 2nd instead of third?
No… they’re going for the win, this year and in the future. Haren was for both. Derrek was for this year. He’s a marginal improvement over what they have at DH now and a better defensive first baseman than Kendry Morales, who would have moved to DH when he healed.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
the angels need a lot more than dlee to be a contending team
by jesus christos on Jul 28, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Is that the point?
They wouldn’t bother making THIS move if they didn’t intend on contending. How is this hard to understand?
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
The Angels made the move for Haren
Because the D-Backs were dumping salary which meant they barely had to give anything up to get him and they have him under contract through 2012, with a 2013 team option. The Angles were probably going after DLee because they were lucky enough to get Haren, so they figured if they can get someone who has a chance at helping them down the stretch in case Texas falter they might as well. Especially since they were probably giving up a bag of balls, two thunder stick, and a rally monkey for him.
right...
because they plan on contending for the rest of the year.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not what I said...
You claim other people are twisting your words all over this thread. They got a deal on Haren and could take a flyer on Lee because he’s cheap. So then if they get very lucky, they could make the playoffs.
I know that's not what you said...
you just conveniently keep leaving that point out. There’s no point for them to acquire Derrek Lee regardless of what they give up if they’re not trying to win in 2010, whether it takes oodles of luck (and predictable failure on the Rangers’ part).
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
If the Angels are willing to take on salary
“Contending” and being in a position to take advantage of a situation are two very different things in my mind.
All players have a price tag. If the Angels thought they were getting a deal on Lee that could let them take advantage of a lucky situation, then they make the trade. They also may want to sign Lee for the next couple of years and thought that getting him into the clubhouse for the next two month would help.
That says volumes
You had no idea of the standings before you went on your hateful and venomous rant.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 28, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yep
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Spouting nonsense again I see.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
You are the biggest idiot on this blog.
Hateful and venomous rant? It was one freaking sentence.
Seriously, go post at NSBB. You would fit in so incredibly well there.
I wonder if Brandon Wood is available.
That guy owns AAA, but has failed in the AL. Maybe a change of scenery and scaling back the degree of difficulty by moving to the NL would boost his career, and allow the Aramis-to-1B shift to happen.
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C+ prospect, perhaps.
We weren’t getting Mike Trout or anything here.
"You teach me baseball and I'll teach you relativity...No, we must not. You will learn about relativity faster than I learn baseball." - Albert Einstein
by Shawn Domagal-Goldman on Jul 28, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
C+ prospect at best
The way Lee has been playing this year, this type of move is really the player’s choice. It’s not Randy Johnson to the Astros for a young Freddy Garcia, Carlos Guillen, and John Halama (who was a Jay Jackson level prospect before getting hurt).
Hendry is offering to move the player more to show loyalty than to get back a stud prospect. If the player doesn’t want to go, fine.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Jul 28, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter
It was either a decent prospect or salary relief. It also shows a bad precedent from your supposed “veteran leader”.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
That's obviously worth your family consideration.
his wife’s respect, his daughter’s needs vs. a C+ prospect for the team you gave 7 years to and jameslcrockett@BCB thinking it shows a bad precedent. That must have been a hard decision.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes...
Because I’m the only one. Next?
When players start caring about how much it costs to be a baseball fan, I’ll start caring about their family situations which are well taken care of because of said costs of me being a baseball fan.
Also, in case you didn’t bother to read the comment, this had nothing to do with what Derrek Lee wanted… it had to do with his return. But please bend the argument however you want to inject your juvenile banter.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm hurt....
I read what you said and responded by saying a C+ prospect wouldn’t factor into his decision nor your disappointment in him. That you don’t care about his family situation is obvious, just as much as it’s obvious a player shouldn’t care about you being disappointed in him setting a bad precedent.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
That wasn't part of his decision...
That was Hendry’s call, not Derrek’s.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know how you think that or care really.
You just want something to argue about. You will just find something else to examine and hope I will agree with you. Carry on.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Excuse me?
Baseball players play baseball. GMs of baseball teams negotiate trades and decide what is best for the present and future of their team.
Derrek Lee = baseball player
Jim Hendry = GM of a baseball team
Any more questions?
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
You forgot about human beings: Negotiate value for their skills and decide what is best for the present and the future of themselves and their families.
How does this have anything...
to do with what Derrek Lee would return in a trade?
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
So far this year...
It has cost me $20 to be a baseball fan. It actually doesn’t have to cost anything. I just splurged on mlb.com audio.
exactly
nobody put a gun to that guys head and forced him to spend money on being a fan. What a baby
His younger brother...
Eric Lee.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Anyone
else want to jump on either the sanctimonious or the judgemental basdwagons?
DEJESUS!!!
I had not realized
there was an actual deal in place when the report first broke. I can understand him not wanting to go to the Angels as far back as they are.
They're not really in that bad shape...
The AL West has long had a history of funny playoff races. Texas is notorious for fading in August and September. The Angels have shown over the years they are willing to make moves, as they’ve done now with Dan Haren (as long as he remains healthy).
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Can imagine why we would resign a 35 year old player on the decline
no thanks.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Somebody above said "dick move"...
And I must wholly agree. If Derrek really loved it here and wanted to finish his career here, he could still do so while spending 2 months in a playoff race with another team picking up the tab for his salary… and the come back to the Cubs in the winter, bostered by whatever prospect they received from the Angels. The Cubs will be in a bad spot with Derrek now this winter. They probably won’t be able to offer him arbitration, because he’ll receive much more in arbitration than he’s worth or will receive on the open market. So, the Cubs will either have to work out a FA deal with him or watch him walk without even getting draft picks in return.
I don’t begrudge him his rights. He’s earned them through his longevity with the team and the contract he signed… but this is a very, very selfish decision. He used to be my favorite Cub of the last decade… between this decision and his flailing production… no longer.
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Sounds like you do begrudge him his rights
“Here, have all these rights… just don’t use them”
Shut up. When you’re done, shut up some more.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Just because he can do it...
Doesn’t mean I have to care anymore about him after he does. I certainly don’t care for anybody whose best argument is something an adolescent could easily improve on. Nice try, though.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Eat a dick, Worf
Your only contribtions anymore or just talking shit to people who post opinions that are different from yours. YOU and a handful of others are why a lot of people don’t bother posting here anymore- why post anything if you’re going ot have to put with some douchebag trying telling them thier opinion doesn’t matter. You’re a filthy troll, and I’ll never understand why Al let’s you get away with this crap but drops a ban hammer on people who drop f-bombs.
Go piss on a third rail.
Chicagoan in the Lou.
by Mike Martin on Jul 28, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
Whether or not you agree with what he says...
…. this post was uncalled for.
Trust me, I have had MANY conversations with Worf about his attitude here. Your profane namecalling rant here was unnecessary.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I'd do it, Worf.
Sounds like a sure thing to me.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 29, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I doubt he'll
lose a minutes sleep knowing he is no longer your favorite Cub.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Another one of these comments?
Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
by mic on Jul 28, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I won't lose any
sleep over your stupid, stupid reply either.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
I won't
but instead of responding with something childish like you did I’ll just wish you a good night.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
in other news...
iowa state > iowa hahaha
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Jul 28, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
You a State fan?
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
yup!
went to school there. enjoyed being so close to DM for the Cubs games! part of why i went there.
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Jul 28, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
GO HAWKS!!!!! :D
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Lessee...
My rights, what’s best for my family vs. a BCB blogger being disappointed in me after 7 years service…what should I do…hmm.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope Derrek
shows him his middle finger.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
These are moments I wonder why a player would choose to be a baseball player.
The money obviously, but there is just no way to make a decision for your family and not get slammed.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
you must be freaking kidding me.
I’ll tell you what. Pay me tens of millions of dollars, and every July 28th, you can verbally ripe me a new one.
Their lives are not hard because fans are mean to them. STOP
by HuskerCorner on Jul 28, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I said there is no way a player can make a decision for his family
And not get ripped. You’re right that it doesn’t make their life “hard”…at least all the time. But I do think it isn’t easy for a player’s family when they are ripped in the media for a decision that is best for their family.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
How is it that much different for his family???
He’s on the road over half the time anyways.
Different enough.
It means less time to see a daughter that needs to stay in Chicago right now. I’m happy to know that’s important to him.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Why does his daughter need to stay in Chicago?!!
I’ve been asking you this all over this thread. Did she come down with some illness?
They determined like 2 years ago that she doesn’t have Lebers’, and she’s not losing her vision.
Regardless, I’m pretty sure they can address that in LA.
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Because she wants to be there. Or her mother does.
Or they don’t want to move near Anaheim if they are living in LA now. What difference does it make? Who knows where Jada is at this moment, or what stable environment Derrek and wife want her to have? It’s their life and his right to choose where he wants to be.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's clear this up again.
Derrek Lee does not live in Los Angeles. His family lives in the Sacramento area.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
No, he lives in Malibu in the offseason.
He grew up in the Sacramento area, which is where much of his family lives. But for several years, he’s lived in the LA area – Malibu – during the offseason, and he’s building a new house there right now.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
Thanks for the update.
I thought he still returned to Sacramento. Thanks for clarifying.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The Lee housing watch begins.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 29, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
DING DING DING
I agree with this point. However, that’s really not for us to judge what matters to his family.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
So...
let’s say there’s 60 days left in the season half of that is 30 days… I can honestly tell you that if someone told me to chose between 30 with my wife and daughter or 30 days without my wife and daughter, being paid the same either way and probably having a better chance of increasing my future worth more by picking the option of being with my wife and daughter I know which one I would pick.
Hey wait...
someone on a blog might not like you choosing your family first.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Well lets say you've got 30 less days with your wife and daughters
and a chance to play in the playoffs maybe even get a ring?
Sounds like exactly the reason you play the game (if you are a professional baseball player).
that is your opinion
but some people actually value family over winning.
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Jul 28, 2010 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
there is very little chance the angels make it to the postseason
by jesus christos on Jul 28, 2010 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
i thought you were referring specifically to the angels
i dont know if the cubs would be willing to eat lees contract, thats what stopped the cantu talks
by jesus christos on Jul 28, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
the Rangers are in bankruptcy court
hence the salary constraints
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
From the post it seemed like Lee declined it, not the Cubs.
I don’t know the specifics. Just sounds like he isn’t leaving regardless, even if it’s a chance to go to the Yankees/any other team with a winning chance.
That's really not
what it says at all. You are pulling meaning that simply isn’t there. It says that he had to think a lot about being traded to the Angels and decided to invoke his no trade clause. That’s it.
Well even if it's just the Angels--
at the time of the trade they were only 4-5 games out (as of 7/21). That seems like they were right in the hunt to me.
Some people play...
For the love of the game. I actually had to make a choice in my life between being on a team that had a legitimate shot to win and to stick with my friends and family and I chose my family.
Some people play...
For the love of the game. I actually had to make a choice in my life between being on a team that had a legitimate shot to win and to stick with my friends and family and I chose my family.
No problem
I was hoping you would progress past the 4th grade, but sadly that doesn’t seem to have happened. Too bad.
Oh
so you’re allowed to belittle my comment, but heaven forbid someone repssond to your almighty 4th grade wit.
don't bother
he gets his jollys off you replying
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Jul 28, 2010 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
actually...
i don’t. it is rather humorous. that’s not a shot against the regulars at all. i usually don’t post but this topic, and how people were reacting, was too ridiculous to pass up.
i post when people make stupid comments. i shouldn’t but, it’s funny to watch you/them argue with me.
you can say what you want, and have your opinion…but if you think for one second that you will change other people’s minds by berating them or their opinion, you sorely mistaken.
Lee was/kind of is a top notch 1B. Gold Glove, enough said. rejecting the trade was his choice, no matter what reason he had for doing it. who are you to put him down for it. you’re just another fan, like me. at the end of the day, we can argue and post all we want, but it won’t change anything. don’t be angry. just accept it.
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Jul 28, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep this is just entertainment for him.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
It's nice to see you respect that.
And a shame to see others laughing at it.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
If you left to get a ring then you'd be leaving for more money.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
ripe?
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Quality post
Way to go, typo police.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
oops, I added an extra letter.
That of course needed to be pointed out.
by HuskerCorner on Jul 29, 2010 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow, yeah, you're right.
Their lives are just so, so hard. Why would anybody choose a career that pays you immeasurably more than you’re worth to work 7 months out of the year (it would be 8 but as a Cub you generally don’t have to worry about that) putting in half days at that… regardless of how you actually perform most of the time.
You guys act like these baseball players have so many other options to make this kind of money and take care of their family.
Again, Derrek doesn’t care what happens to us or the team that has paid him so handsomely. Hendry decided this move was best for his team, Derrek decided he didn’t care. That’s just the facts. He’s “earned” the right to do so and to not care what anybody thinks of it. And it’s my right to think of it however I want.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Your facts are those as you see them.
You have a right to say your opinion of course, to vent and try to discuss this endlessly. carry on.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Players worth?
So MLB players are solely responsible for the proliferation of a multi-billion dollar business, yet they’re not worth the money?
This discussion has gotten off the rails
Most every long time Cub fan respects Lee and the classy way he has behaved over the years. And despite his poor year, he’s still a class individual. So our feelings about his performance this year should have nothing to do with what we believe his decision should be about waiving his rights..
But everyone must agree that Lee has been paid well and treated with the highest respect by Cub fans and the organization. And, in the best interest of the team, Hendry feels a trade is warranted. It impacts Lee and his family for two months. It seems to me that the request is not unreasonable. I’m disappointed that Derrek doesn’t feel it is the right thing to do.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
I agree with this a lot.
I’m a little disappointed we won’t get a lackluster return for a player who hasn’t performed well this year. But given he is respected and has been a class act, given he gave us a number of good years, I’m not disappointed in him for putting his family and himself first by exercising his right to stay here. I see that some people are disappointed in him, but you are right that I doubt there is a big difference in the amount of said disappointment to argue about.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 29, 2010 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions
You wanting him to not consider anything but the Cubs
is also a very selfish decision.
Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but, ...
…judging by his last 14 ABs, I’m willing to bet that Hendry’s phone is ringing off his desk from other GMs wanting to know if Koyie Hill is available in a trade.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
As was the case (I think) with Mark Grace - aren't
the Cubs limited as to the amount his salary could be ‘cut’ with a new contract? Is it still the case – I thought there was a 20% limit in the amount the previous year’s salary could be reduced when Grace went to the D-backs (for less than what the Cubs could pay him) – if so, by not agreeing to go elsewhere doesn’t that make it less likely D Lee will be here next year?
For certain...
They can only cut his salary so much through arbitration. If he doesn’t sign a deal before the arbitration deadline, he wouldn’t be able to come back to the team until May of next season. He’s done in Chicago… at least for the Cubs.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
However...
If he had accepted the trade, played 2 months with the Angels, tested the free agent waters and found very little interest in his declining skills, then he could come back to the Cubs on a much smaller deal.
So long, Derrek. Nice knowing you.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Atleast
Everyone who is calling him a dick is spelling his name correctly this time. One baby step in the right direction.
by ak123 on Jul 28, 2010 8:16 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
That's what it takes
Nice
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Jul 28, 2010 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Right.
Because calling him a name solves everything.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I'm amazed at the backlash from his decision
This ranks up with the draft pick of Hayden Simpson. Uncalled for.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Jul 28, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 8 recs
agreed totally
5 days ago everyone loved Derrek Lee now he is a villain for choosing to remain a Cub. Amazing
I thought
he was a great player who carried himself with class and dignity during his entire stay.
I think you can cue now someone telling you.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 29, 2010 3:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions
But he was no Mark DeRosa
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
LOL
nice.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 29, 2010 3:25 AM CDT up reply actions
can we make this green
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
thanks
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
Agreed..
but let’s not equate saying “he did something we don’t like” with calling him names. I’m sure he’s a quality individual and great family person. However, now I get to question his leadership qualities and the legacy he’ll leave as a Cub. That’s not the same as name calling.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
And we can all question
your ability to evaluate character and your legacy as a BCB poster.
When I get paid millions to do it...
You can evaluate me all you like.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
so a good leader ditches his team, fans, city, and so on
when times are rough? I bet Chesty Puller would tell you that you are wrong. FWIW Puller was upset with being promoted since it took him away from his soldiers. Did that make him a bad leader? I would dare you to tell that to any Marine.
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That's really not what he's doing.
He’s done as a Cub in two months anyway. This, in fact, seals his fate here. He’d have a much better chance of ending up here if he played his two months in LA or Texas and then came back in the winter after finding out nobody else wanted to pay anything for his services.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
its not a fact until he is gone
just like many other “facts” that are posted here and never come true
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It makes his return to CHC a lot less likely.
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that is true no doubt
and I agree. then again, those (not you) saying he needs to go for being horrible should not be arguing what it would cost to keep him, that is fighting both sides of the fight.
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If I just burp at this thread will I be unreasonably slammed for it?
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lol
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by cooliogirl47 on Jul 28, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
how dare Lee be happy playing for the Cubs
I guess Ernie Banks, Billy Williams, Ryne Sandberg and so on all should have demanded trade, since it is obvious they didn’t like to win.
SARCASM
Honestly, i believe this is a good thing, since he wants to stay a Cub, it shows other players that its not a bad thing to be a Cub, which could honeslty help us (even if its a .01% help) with signing other players. They might look at Lee wanting to be here and seeing players flee another team offering the same and sign here.
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by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 28, 2010 8:41 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
thanks
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good point Tim
things have sure changed since the “friendly confines” days. Now we have top prospects like Castro debut on the road on purpose (which makes sense considering he was booed at home in his first game)
what? Castro was booed his first home game? why?
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by cooliogirl47 on Jul 28, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
he
had the audacity to commit errors in the field.
No, it wasn't that at all.
The booing was for the perceived lack of effort when he didn’t go after one of the balls he booted.
Now, I don’t think that was lack of effort and I did not boo. It was a simple rookie mistake; he was probably on edge after making the three errors.
I also don’t think that Castro’s debut was done on the road “on purpose”.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
great point about Castro being booed in game 1 at WF
my how things have changed no dount
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I was at that game.
IDK about other sections, but up where I was I heard absolutely NO booing of Castro even though he had 3 errors. It was actually the reverse. Everyone was cheering him on.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
Get over yourself
this has nothing to do with loyalty to the Cubs. Most players with families will have to make this decision and the majority would want to be in the position that Lee is in. This is simply about not wanting to uproot his family and other players know it.
that is your opinion, sure. we only know the small part we were allowed to know
as Lee said they had a good long conversation, i am sure it was about more than Lees family alone. You are making an assumption and then using it as solid fact, which leave many holes in your argument
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Look, you can keep this fantasy for yourself
alive all you want but most baseball players are jaded by the business aspect of baseball that true loyalty is usually reserved for teammates, the organization is secondary.
in this case his family is where his first loyalty is
and that’s a bad thing in your eye?
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So?
How many truly great teams have you been a part of? Fans and management are always secondary to the people busting their a$$ with you. Sorry.
I agree, that's why it's
funny reading these comments about Lee and his loyalty to the Cubs. Let’s applaud him for his loyalty to his family.
Well I at least agree we should applaud him for his loyalty to his family.
There’s also something to be said for the class and dignity he displays on and off the field. I applaud his loyalty, but give you that it isn’t quite as important a thing from someone making the money he does.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
so good for him
thats his fucking choice and who are you to judge?
in fact
I hope somebody shows up at your house tomorrow and tells you what to do with your family. I dont care how much money somebody makes you and dont have any right to judge a man for making the best choice for him and his family.
Unreal
Moron, please read my words
I have no problem with him choosing family first. I just find it funny that people get a warm and fuzzy feeling because they think Lee is choosing loyalty to his team, rather than acknowledge why he really wants to stay.
And you know this for a fact...how exactly? You can read his mind over what he says?
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Let me ask you this...
…most of these people want to believe that Lee wants to remain a Cub out his love or loyalty to the Cubs. Prove to me that’s fact.
When I say that Lee is doing this for his family, I’m simply projecting because it’s what I would do if I were Lee.
well you're avoiding the question here, but
I’ll take Derrek’s words over your opinion everytime. He’s shown his family means a lot to him over the years and given effort for at least 6 years. I think Lee has shown loyalty…and I don’t think it’s a stretch to say it had something to do with him thinking about what the team needed. I don’t think he was ever going to be signed here again, though.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions
If he was never going to be signed then why not do what's
best for the organization that you supposedly love, especially it it’s only for 2 months? You’re thinking with your heart instead of your head on this one. I agree Lee is a good guy but if he had any such loyalty to the organization he would allow them the ability to shed salary while trying to improve things for the future.
Again, I don’t disagree with what Lee is doing, I would always chose what’s best for me and my family.
You keep saying I'm thinking this is all about loyalty to the team.
Your argument is with someone else here. I think it’s justified and commendable that he chooses his family here first. I think he has been loyal to the team and because of that only that it should be a factor in seeing it a good idea to do what is best for his family now.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
How do you
quantify loyalty a player has to an organization and an organization to a player? Is it simply in the financial transaction(which is no different in the real world)?
I ask that, because maybe we put a little to much stock in someone that is simply getting paid to do a job.
I’m glad to see we agree for the most part.
You can't.
I agree with you that most players out there are in it only for the money and don’t deserve a lot of consideration. He’s …blah blah blah, you’ve heard it all before here obviously. I think his character and performance justifies respect for his decision based on his family’s needs.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I wish this discussion was being
had during Lee’s season last year. I think the tone and tenor would be much different. Unfortunately this is a “what have you done for me lately” society and unfortunately I’ve fallen prey myself to that type of mentality at times.
As I said in an earlier comment, these feelings about Lee will dissipate over time and he will be remembered for the good guy and good player he is.
He's had 2 great seasons as a Cub,
and the rest was pretty average. This is hardly a case of what have you done for me lately. He had a mediocre 2008 and led the world in GIDP in 2007, and hit for little power either season.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Actually after his injury in '06 he wasn't the same
for a while. He did however have a solid ’07 season .913ops and was really good last year.
He hasn't been the same since his wrist was broken so badly.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
People keep saying that
But his 2nd and 3rd best seasons came after he broke his wrist. His 2005 was one of the best offensive seasons in Cubs history. He wasn’t going to repeat that.
He's been cringing everytime a player gets close
running down the basepath. He hasn’t ever seemed to get over that injury playing 1st. He’s still a better 1st baseman to me than a lot of others, but he hasn’t been the same playing since that injury.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Defensively, he's still rock solid
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Overall he's still good yes.
But I bet you’ve seen him jump or move away from a runner at times this season, stuff he hasn’t done before.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
before the injury I mean.
To me that just shows how hard he’s worked to overcome his injury that he is still a good defensive first baseman.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Good defensive 1st basemen who hit .230 with below average power very seldom play on contenders.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
What does this have to do with
whether he has been playing defensively different after his injury?
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
At times, yes,
I have seen him flinch or avoid contact on a close play at first.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Sorry for the hyperbole there.
I seem to fall into that on this blog and it’s a bad habit, specially when you know someone will point out an error soon enough. Everytime is obviously wrong.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I think everyone knows how you feel on this issue
Touche.
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by lookingdeadred on Jul 30, 2010 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Injuries happen, he certainly wasn't the player the Cubs
thought they were gonna have after 2005. Its a shame he got hurt.
07 was a sneaky good season, not a lot of homers or RBIs that year and a lot of DPs, especially toward the end of that season. 2008 was nothing special, but he was the lone player who did anything against the Dodgers in the NLDS Last year he did have a good year, after May.
Still I’m not gonna be sad to see Lee go.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Last year was a very disappointing year
So everyone seems to overlook the fact that D-Lee carried the team, finishing fourth in the NL in OPS. Soriano and Soto doing poorly, Aram injured…Lee was great last year.
I hope so.
I have to keep reminding myself I’m on a blog prone to overreacting and people wanting to get a rise out of others, or simply just argue and prove themselves right over anything else. I hope that the majority of fans can see a player that gives his all, shows class over many years and has his own needs like his family. It’s just a different culture now with fans and players fighting over money with a spotlight on them. The players have earned that obviously with their salaries, but they are still human and people.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Well...
In three or four months he’s going to have to do it anyway unless he signs with the White Sox. He won’t be able to ply his trade in a Cubs uniform in 2011 unless he gets traded somewhere else and then comes back.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a nice sentiment
However, it seems to have no basis in fact. Remember when the hirings of Baker and Piniella were supposed to precede a swarm of highly talented free agents willing to sign with the Cubs just to be near them? And Lee’s no rookie. How many players have signed on to be near him over the years.
One last question. If Derrek loves Chicago so much, is he willing to play here next year for a serious cut in pay. It may happen but I think he’ll go where the money is much more attractive.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
A deal
What I can’t believe is some other team agreeing or wanting to pay $4+ million for 2 months of Derrek Lee. Last year yes, but not this year. See, there is nothing here about what either of the proposed deals would have actually involved.
I disagree with the tenure rules in baseball as they would apply here. But if teams give NTCs, then they should be willing to respect a player’s decision. It sounds like the Cubs do respect it.
I respect Lee and his decision....
but I am ready to see him moved to 6th in the order and although Hoffpauir is not a long term solution, frankly I would be ready to see him called up and get some starts against righthanders.
Why?
Hoffpauir isn’t even a short term solution. He had a bad year last year and is only five years younger than Lee.
Let’s go trade for Kila Ka’aihue if you want to see someone useful get at-bats.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Because at this point
I’d rather see someone making 400K ground into a DP in a crucial situation than someone making 15 Mill. I know that’s irrational, but that is what you get when you have the ighest payroll in the NL be this ineffective all year.
That was, in fact, my suggestion
Let’s go trade for Kila Ka’aihue if you want to see someone useful get at-bats.
He would make that minimum. Hoffpauir is not part of the Cubs’ future. What’s the point?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I think it's wrong to slam Lee for not "doing what's best for the Cubs."
He’s earned his rights and he should do what’s best for himself.
What I think he should be slammed for is not wanting to win. To me, it’s pretty clear he doesn’t want to win.
i would best my testicles Lee cares about winning
and I admire that he put his family first above a team that is 8.5 games behind Texas
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bet not best
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I'm glad you cleared that up...
…because In looking at the keyboard, I see that the “s” key is right next to the “a” key.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
OOUCH!
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freudian slip?
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by cooliogirl47 on Jul 28, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Those come in turquoise for the mom? ;)
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
turquoise
my favorite color…no to the slip tho :)
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by cooliogirl47 on Jul 28, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Can anyone
explain to me why we should care if we “shed payroll” on Lee? It’s a 1 year contract, it wont affect anything for next season so why should anyone give a f*#($*# if Tom Ricketts saves a buck or two this year?
Come on people
The Angels have just the same chance of making the playoffs as the Cubs. I certainly wouldn’t call Lee a player who doesn’t care about winning when he essentially would be placed in the same situation.
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
Really not true...
The Cubs are 10 games under. The Angels are a .500 team. Much worse than .500 teams have made comebacks in the AL West of more than 10 games in the standings.
The Cubs are the fourth best team in their division. The Angels are tied for second.
The Cubs are chasing the Cardinals who have the best player in baseball, two of the best pitchers in baseball and are looking to add players. The Angels are chasing the Rangers – a notoriously bad team in August in September and in bankruptcy court right now, making it really hard to add any additional payroll.
The Angels have stayed in it without Kendry Morales and have just added Dan Haren, and apparently wanted to add a first baseman. The Cubs are looking to trade veterans for whatever they can get.
The Cubs are far from the Angels.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
your
analysis is unique but still pretty bad. less than 3 % is less than 3 % no matter what kind of adjectives you want to use
The Cubs
Are chasing the Cardinals and Reds, teams that have many holes in their lineup and pitching staff. The Rangers are a more complete team then either of the leaders in the NL Central. They look unbeatable right now.
And I didn’t say the Cubs=Angels, I said they were in the same situation essentially.
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
How can you say that?
The Cubs are a far worse team than the Angels, have a far worse record than the Angels and are 10 games out of SECOND PLACE. The Angels don’t have those problems. They have one team to catch… a team that has proven catchable in most years. I’m not saying it’s going to happen… I’m saying it’s worth the Angels spending a couple million to stay in the race and see what happens.
Do you think the Cubs should do the same?
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
The Angels are 9 games out, the Cubs are 10.5 games out
Not much difference there, honestly. And the Angels are a third place team, and the Cubs are a fourth. Now if you read my post before, I stated that the Angels and Cubs were not the same team, I think the Angels are a more stable and better team at the moment; That still doesn’t take away from the fact that they are in essentially the same situation the Cubs are in, falling fast.
Viva la Cubs Révolution!!!
Adam Dunn...
Personally, I want to see Adam Dunn in a Cubs uniform next season. If it means he has to play first base to sign with this team, then so be it. If Dunn doesn’t join us, I wouldn’t mind resigning D. Lee for a low dollar 1 and/or 2 year deal. There is no way he is going to get a huge contract after this season, so i wouldn’t mind if the Cubs resigned him cheap, and spent more money elsewhere.
Regardless, Adam Dunn would be my first choice for first base next year.
Unfortunately...
Lee coming back can’t happen now. The Cubs cannot cut his salary enough to make him a reasonable offer. He’s going to have to find another team to play for.
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by jameslcrockett on Jul 28, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
It can happen now. It is possible.
But he wasn’t going to be signed next year regardless of this decision. He’s aging, and no one knows if he’s going to get back close to his career numbers for any length of time. This team will be happy to have his contract off the books.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
And he takes walks,
the Cubs don’t really do those.
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Remember when we could of gotten him cheap?
JH thought Milton was a better idea!
I am thrilled JH is working on these trades!
Could have lived with it. I have yet to see Dunn forget how many outs there are and throw the ball in the stands.
Then miss half the season anyways.
Yep...Dunn puts this team back on track again.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
Sorry if this has been discussed above...
…but does Derrek Lee and his family even live in Chicago or even Illinois? I have never heard that he does, at least in the offseason. I was under the impression he lived in California in the offseason.
Also, just say NO to DLee beyond this season. His best days are behind him. If the Cubs actually do want to bring him back, they should offer him arbitration, 1 year $3M.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Ironically, he lives in Malibu and is building a home in LA.
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It's kind of hilarious.
Throughout this thread, so many posters are claiming that Derrek had to stay in Chicago for the sake of his sick daughter, when it turns out that the daughter is healthy and the whole family has lived in LA for most of said daughter’s life, and is moving back to their house in LA in six weeks anyway because that’s where she goes to school.
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Right!?
What is this BS about staying in Chicago for his family, etc…
LEE and his Fam live in California already, what a joke.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
Another article from ESPN
Here…. Interesting quote:
“[Rejecting the trade] was a baseball process. There’s a lot of thought that goes into it, not just that I have a home [nearly finished in Los Angeles]. I thought about it for a good 24 hours, and agonized over it. The bottom line is my family and I like Chicago. I like my teammates, and that’s just the decision I made.” The 34-year-old Lee said he has no plans to retire, and he would like to remain with the Cubs next season.
I hope he's willing to take a huge paycut to remain a Cub...
…or else he could end up jobless like Jermaine Dye, but I bet someone will take a chance on him even if the Cubs don’t.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
I wouldnt like hmi to remain a Cub
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Anybody who thinks this is about loyalty is seriously delusional...
This is all about Derrek Lee having no competitive fire left and being content to sleep walk through the rest of the season with a terrible baseball team.
He’s made his money, he has a ring…he clearly doesn’t feel like he has anything to prove.
Too bad for us.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 28, 2010 9:57 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
well said.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Sometimes, that's all there is
And I actually have had good conversations with bluekoolaide, but I didn’t even know where to start with that comment.
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 28, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh so have I.
But yes, it summed it up better than a lengthy rebuttal could have.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Sometimes
Short and to the point is best.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
hang up your cubs jersey
you’re far too negative to be a Cubs fan.
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Jul 28, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Rec'd
He has every right to stay in Chicago. And as a fan of the Cubs organization, I have every right to be disappointed that the Cubs were not able to trade him for somebody who might help this club in 2011, 12 or 13. But I agree with the premise – his lack of performance this season is a major reason the Cubs are where they are – perhaps he should have to stay with them until the bitter end.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
Anyone who seriously is bashing DLee is so short sighted
Was he not the same player:
Who played well enough to almost get us to postseason in 2004.
Who in 2005 let us thankfully forget about Sammy Sosa drama and had one of the best all around seasons any Cub ever had.
Who played his heart out every day even when he lost his power from a freak injury.
Who every fan had sympathy and empathy towards when his daughter got ill.
Who got one of the loudest reactions at every Cubs Convention.
Who was called a “professional” hitter and helped us get to post season in 2007 and 2008.
Who gave us something to get excited for in 2009 when he had one of his best years after rebounding in April.
Wow, so sorry he wants to finish his contract in a city that treated him so well.
I know some of these comments are jokes but for those of you who are serious, you should be a little ashamed. He’s been nothing but classy his entire stay in Chicago.
Well...
no, he’s not the same player that played well in 2004 and 2005. He’s a terrible offensive first baseman. THE WORST IN BASEBALL amongst 1B with at least 300 at bats.
Derrek Lee sucks. Terribly. Yes, he is one of the nicest guys in baseball. Yes, he provided some great memories. But, yes, he’s no longer good at baseball.
ok
so if he sucks so much what exactly did you expect to get back in a trade?
by CalCalender on Jul 28, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
That's 80% of the angst here - we don't know what the trade was, so our imaginations run wild.
Let’s not forget two things:
1. Derrek Lee isn’t a prized commodity anymore; and
2. Jim Hendry is the one trading him away.
I’m sure that if we all saw the trade that Lee rejected, this entire situation would be more of a “shrug” non-story. The last thing the Cubs need is more low-ceiling organizational filler.
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That's certainly a big factor to me in here.
I haven’t understood the indignation people have had with Lee rejecting the trade, because we wouldn’t have gotten much for him anyway. People will remember this and say next year we should have a good first baseman in the future but for Lee’s selfishness. If not then they are saying so now. It’s crazy…he wanted to stay here and did so rejecting a return of little consequence for the Cubs. What is the big deal here. The outrage is over principle? The same people saying that say no players have them. I just don’t get the logic behind any of it.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I think part of the issue is that some are sick of this years team...
Lee has been lethargic for most of the season.
A bad year at the plate. Very little clutch hitting. WAY too many DPs as usual.
Plus through no fault of his own, Lou bats him 3rd for no reason which has set him up for failure on many occasions.
Anyways, some people may see this. I am trying to see their side…..
Me…..I think he should play everyday down the stretch and bat third and get a new contract so he can stay in the city he loves. That home he is building in LA is probably for someone else!
Aside from his performance
do you think Derrek will sign with the Cubs next year? And, after the season is over in two months, where do you think he’ll spend his time?
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
I don't think he will be offered a contract by the Cubs.
And man I sure don’t care one little bit where he spends his time. He will not be on the team anymore.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 29, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, but...
Baseball is a game of what have you done for me lately. And lately, he is a .250 hitting, rally-killing, double-play machine that another team with some good prospects wanted to acquire.
Is it selfish of me to think this? Absolutely. Lee seems like a nice enough guy, probably would be a good neighbor. But as a baseball player, he offers virtually nothing to the Cubs organization over the next two months or likely in the next couple of years – and that is where my interests as a fan lie.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
can I say one thing?
I think Lee is a stand up guy, a great ball player and a hell of a person. He seems to love Chicago and the Cubs and I love that he does. That said, my loyalty is to the Cubs and not to any individual player. I may be wrong but I think it might have been better for the team if he agreed to be traded. I can still love, respect, appreciate and always honor a guy who was on our team, but to me the team comes first. I want to win, and I know every single person here feels that way. We just see different paths to that end.
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
I agree with all you said Coolio.
And it indeed may have helped the Cubs. How much is certainly debateable, but I surely never thought wanting to help the team isn’t important. I want to win, and I would have thought he did a very good thing for the club accepting the trade. I just think he was justified declining it.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 29, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions
One thing is for sure
There will be as many people cheering the day Derrek Lee is no longer a Cub as those who will feel sad.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
And everyone else will thank him for his contributions,
accept that guys don’t play forever, and move on.
I sure hope a lot of people do this.
I’ll sure miss his quiet strength and class on the team.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
John Wayne is alive
and sharing an apartment with Elvis.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Do you have beers with them and discuss where they live?
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 29, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Geez...
…after reading some of these posts, I thought we were in 2004 and Sammy had just “abandoned ship.”
My 2 cents.
First off, as I said before is posts here, I don’t post all that much. I read a lot and follow the team religiously. Those of you that have slammed Lee in this thread REALLY need to take a step back. As they say, it’s a game. If you are going to get this worked up over someone else making a decision that is best for them, or their family, then you need some Xanax. No matter how much you yell, scream, or argue on a blog, you’re not changing anything. That said…
It was HIS choice. That choice does not make him any less competitive. For you to even hint at that is absurd. Lee has played his gd ass off for the Cubs for the last 7 years. If he didn’t play to your high standards, go sniff Pujols ass and be a Cards fan. He is a blue collar Cub like the greats that came before him. Granted he hasn’t accomplished what they did but he still put his time in every 9. He is a quiet, humble, supportive leader. He’s the type of clubhouse guy that doesn’t need to say anything.
Guess I’m starting to sound like those that writing this post for. I won’t come straight out and tell you you are wrong for your opinion on this matter. What I will say is that you overreacting. As many of you that put Lee down said, he’s on the downside of his career. Correct. So let’s say he approved the trade. What do we get? What do we have in the minors to replace him? Move Colvin to 1st? Who replaces him? Will Colvin perform to Lee potential Gold Glove D? Get the point?
I’m happy Lee is staying. If he did it for loyalty AND his family, great! Who cares what happens next year. Enjoy watching your Cubs for the rest of the season.
GO CUBS!
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Jul 28, 2010 11:29 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Get over it
Derrek Lee is perfectly within his rights to exercise his NTC that was in the contract he signed. He also has 10/5 NTC rights. If Lee doesn’t want to leave Chicago for the rest of the season, then he doesn’t have to leave. I’m not a big fan of Derrek Lee and I think his decision could hurt the Cubs in the long run. But it also might not. Trades are a crap shoot and you never know what you’ll get. We can address our needs at first base in the offseason because there’s no way Derrek Lee gets another deal. So he wants to stay a Cub for the rest of the season and he exercised his NTC. Big deal.
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Amen.
I don’t see a reason to get angry at him over what he would bring as a rental for 2 months. guess as always…it’s a blog.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 28, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
That's my idea
If we could swing some decent prospects for Ted Lilly, this probably won’t matter.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
At risk of keeping this lengthy thread going over retreads,
I think a player who has played hard with dignity and class for 7 years should bring respect for making a choice in the twilight of his career with us. Just my .02. prospects would have been nice…but he’s earned ignoring it. I know he’s had a bad season, and has struggled at times since 2005. just my opinion…certainly the season has something to do with people being upset now to begin with.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 29, 2010 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
NTC rights
I have the right to not tip my waiter at a restaurant, that doesn’t mean it’s not a dick move.
I had a nearly identical arguement years ago about Jaime Moyer
Moyer who was a 10-5 man veteod a deadline deal from the very bad Mariners where had played for many years to the Rangers who were in the race. My friend claimed this showed Moyer lacked a true competitive desire to win, I felt he was entitted to decide for himself. In his case it was a little more clear cut on family issues. He had a a LARGE family which did in fact live in Seattle and was very active in the local community. He did not want to disrupt this. When his contract was up at the end of the season the Mariners let him go and signed with the Philles and has bright shiny WS ring and some nice extra money from a pennant as well. Seems to me Moyer was and his a very competitive guy.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 29, 2010 12:13 AM CDT reply actions
What were you, 10 then?
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by RiskyBusiness on Jul 29, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
No but Moyer was past 40
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 29, 2010 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions
That's a cool story,
And illustrates your point well. Completely agree that choosing your family as I believe Lee did, has nothing to do with competitive fire.
But I don’t even understand why that is brought up here. He’s not going to be resigned. It’s meaningless with this awful team whether he has fire or not right now.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 29, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Because it has been brought up here yet
Maybe Derrek Lee just wanted to see Carlos Zambrano in the dugout one more time.
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"How's the anger management thing going, brah?"
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 29, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
lol
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by RiskyBusiness on Jul 29, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
What a bunch of hot air
Anaheim isn’t winning crap this year. They aren’t even making the playoffs.
So the Cubs missed acquiring some B-level prospect. I think they will survive. I don’t see this as much of an issue.
Lee
Lees daughter doesn’t have LCA but she still has health issues. She still doesn’t have sight in one eye.
I’m concerned he said there’s something he’s not ready to talk about as one of the reasons. I hope something hasn’t happened with his daughter.
Also here’s a baseball point. Right now don’t you all trust Tim Wilken to get us a good compensatory draft choice than Hendry to get us a good prospect?
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Draft pick is a moot point
as the Cubs won’t be offering Lee arbitration. Not that that matters anyway because Anaheim won’t be giving up anything of great value for Lee.
Right.
So let him finish his time here. This might be his last year — if he finishes up this year like he’s started, can you see him getting any offers at all?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Well Tony Clark managed to hang on for awhile
Lee would get an offer or two but for much less money. Whether he wants to consider a part-time position is another question.
Good point about Clark,
although he was a switch-hitter, who offered some lefty pop off the bench. Its possible Lee could do that. I could see him catching on with an AL team that has a strong DH, but no real first baseman, and could survive despite Lee not putting up huge numbers. If such a team exists…
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
The same people
who insisted Theriot will play for a team in the majors next year now claim Derrek will be the starting 1B for a ML club next April.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Hey Al-
Who was that player that most of us chose to be on the cover of your Cubs Annual this year?
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by katie casey on Jul 29, 2010 8:42 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Good point.
I’m guessing he won’t be on the cover next year.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It should have been Ted Lilly.
"You've got to get your damn shirts rolled up and go out and kick somebody's ass. That's what you've got to do. Period." -- Lou Piniella
I am amazed at the responses here
I wouldn’t be surprised if Derrek retires after this year and simply wants to finish his career as a Cub. I don’t blame him for that and I don’t think that decision has a negative effect on this team.
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He may wind up forced to retire.
There isn’t going to be much of a market for a 35-year-old 1B coming off a bad season.
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Well this thread has been less than enjoyable.
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I'm shocked...
that people are shocked by the shocking responses people are having to this shocking non-event. Shocked I say!
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by digitalbenjamin on Jul 29, 2010 8:46 AM CDT reply actions
Methinks
that there would be much less angst if Piniella hadn’t insisted on batting 3rd all season.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
If he did, he's probably back on the phone with his agent now telling him to restart the deal
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
question
what the hell does rec’d mean? Ive been on this site for a couple years now and Im just trying to figure this out.
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someone correct me if I'm wrong on this....
it is when you want to recommend a comment or a post, there is an “action” you can click on….3 will turn the comment green and I think 3 on a post or fanshot will raise it to the top of the right column.
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by cooliogirl47 on Jul 29, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
As opposed to the +1
which is basically saying you agree
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
can you, would you agree (1+) and recommend at the same time?
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by cooliogirl47 on Jul 29, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Sure.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Jul 29, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
+1
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
by cooliogirl47 on Jul 29, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
You can second something and rec it also.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 29, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I've never done it before, but I think I can...
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by cooliogirl47 on Jul 29, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll do Al for practice...
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by cooliogirl47 on Jul 29, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, you stinker!
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by cooliogirl47 on Jul 29, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Why he decided to stay
The more I think about this the Cubs might have Lee back next season. They don’t have anybody better to bring-up and the free agents are either out of reach or nothing to write home about. It is possible he could re-sign for a lower salary as a free agent and still make a good buck in a 1 or 2 year deal. Why wouldn’t Lee go for it if his chances for a good deal elsewhere aren’t that good given his age and performance this season. Lee might also have a comeback season left in him.
no
trying to trade d-lee should tell you the cubs are not bringing him back next year.
how many complaining about Lee not accepting the trade
complained about Lebron not being loyal to the Cavs
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