ESPN Film On Steve Bartman Scheduled For... October
I participated in a discussion with other Cubs fans that was filmed for this project last November. I have no idea whether it'll make it into the final cut, but this film, originally scheduled for this month, is now going to air just before the World Series.
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they are going to make the Cubs fans look bad
I did want to strangle Bartman when it happened, but I quickly realized it was the players that messed it up, and got over Bartman. Let’s hear it for the Sun Times, who immediately made sure that everybody knew his name and where he worked. Hats off to Fox and ESPN, who continue to make so much more out of this foul ball than it really was.
But the guy who deserves the most credit is the left fielder that pees on his hands, whose temper tantrum got everybody all worked up, including his pitcher.
wait...so Alou reacting in the heat of the moment is worse than a fan reacting in the heat of the moment?
and Alou’s reaction is the reason Prior and Gonzales took a dump on the field right after that?
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by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 29, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
p.s. i'm just playing along
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by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 29, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Cubs fans SHOULD look bad
the way the city of Chicago and Cubdom behaved was nothing short of disgusting.
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Agree but only to a point.
Yes we behaved badly. But running this over and over and over and over…what is the point of that? Just a cheap way to get people to laugh along at our mistake for more viewers.. Something ESPN does a lot for sure. I’d have been surprised if they didn’t run film of this incident in a postseason show.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 29, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I only feel bad over them running it for Bartman's sake
But at the end of the day, had this happened to any other team, it would be played just as much.
A team that goes a century without winning and then loses in just bizarre fashion IS an oddity. We’re all too close to the situation, but it is.
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by Worf on Jul 29, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hear you about Bartman.
Though I’m not as willing to go along with your second statement. The century of loss might be an oddity, but playing an oddity constantly (as they surely play it a lot more than once a year…surely a good chance to see it in any broadcast of the Cubs) makes the oddity hardly a surprise. When you keep beating a dead horse, you lose the chance to say you are only informing the viewers, you are merely exploiting that oddity for viewership like they exploit Bartman.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 29, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Remember, there are a lot of people who do not know the details about that night.
We might because we are Cubs fans. But the aim of the documentary is to reach a wider audience.
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 29, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I just hope it doesn't make a mockery out of us.
But like someone else stated on here, for the most part — and I agree — the ESPN 30 for 30 series and the documentaries have been very good.
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Wasn't talking about the documentary. I was speaking of replaying the incident.
I’ll reserve judgment about it and hope that they do reach a wider audience with an informed presentation about what happened.
I just don’t trust ESPN with a penny. I haven’t seen the 30/30 series and hope it is done with sound judgment as mike here says it has.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 29, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree with you...I don't know how anyone can trust ESPN
especially after that “The Decision” joke.
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this is dumb..
There was anthor game played after that 1 and we still lost ask lee..lol..Leave the guy alone.We should be worried our lame team we have now.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jul 29, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
This film is so 2004
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
Will there be a Leon Durham biopic as a prequel?
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by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 29, 2010 6:10 PM CDT reply actions
Damn you, Dave Roberts!
If you had just stayed at first base, ESPN could continue its laser-like focus on Boston’s curse instead of rehashing tired garbage like this.
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Yea, no kidding.
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We're over it
Still haven’t gotten over the botched double play, but I’m over Bartman.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
One of the reasons I agreed to participate in this documentary...
… was that I intended to make the point that Bartman wasn’t the reason the Cubs lost that game. I did say that in the discussion. Whether they use that in the film isn’t up to me.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
He wasn't
But the way fans were right after was nothing short of criminal. And the media didn’t help. Michael Wilbon in particular has been a lowlife on this issue.
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Agree with all of your points.
I wasn’t one of those fans and I wouldn’t have done what they did.
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I remember the Fox announcers going bonkers after the play.
Wasn’t young Brenneman one of them? I’m fairly confident Steve Lyons was the other one.
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 29, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
You are correct. On both counts.
It was Steve Lyons that really went bullistic.
Brenneman: “And that’s a Cubs fan that tried to make that catch.”
Lyons: “WHY?!? …..You know they throw balls back onto the field when they hit home runs but I’m surprised someone hasn’t thrown that fan onto the field right now. I’d be afraid to leave the place tonight if I was him.”
Then Prior walks Castillo, and the rest is history…
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Thatnks. Those are the uncalled for comments I remembered.
Brenneman at his best. And Lyons almost got his wish. Ugh!
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 29, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
You know I'm pretty sure Lyons got fired shortly after that series.
I’m not sure what for though. I’ll google it later.
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Lyons was fired during the 2006 playoffs...
for saying a bigoted comment right after Lou Piniella spoke some words in Spanish. He said something to the effect that he didn’t want to sit next to Lou because he couldn’t understand him. Here’s the Wikipedia link.
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 29, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the link.
What a moron. What made him think he wouldn’t get fired for that?
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I don't remember all of it after seeing it a few weeks ago,
But I do remember him saying Lou was “hablaing Espanol” when he didn’t understand what he was saying. That was to start. I know people get carried away in trying to make a joke and end up saying something they never meant to…but come on, you know when you start like that you are wrong.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 30, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
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by mikegncb34 on Jul 30, 2010 12:48 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought Lyons was an idiot
but I thought Lyons was an idiot long before that. It was Wilbon who really disappointed me.
He was using PTI to basically call for a mob
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and doesn't Wilbon claim to be a Cubs fan, too?
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The point needs to be made as part of any analysis of that play.
Therefore, I wouldn’t be surprised to see your statement as part of the documentary, because I bet you articulated it well, Al.
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 29, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Bartman as Hero
After the dust settled I’ve always looked at Steve Bartman as a hero (but an extremely, extremely reluctant one). I’m not sure of the facts (are any of the facts really known?) but I assume Steve came to the game alone that night. I also assume that he paid quite a bit to get the seat he got (all for a chance to see the Cubs wrap up a pennant). I bet his headphones that night played the radio broadcast of the game. If he didn’t go after the ball the guy next to him would have touched it (maybe the luckiest guy in the park). And as many have stated in this post already, guys making millions of dollars a year failed to stop the Marlins immediately after and the following night too.
For this, Steve Bartman took the ultimate big one for the team, the franchise and its fans. It’s all too bad. Al, I’m glad you said what you did about Steve. I can see value in ESPN’s documentary if it gave more than a passing note to this viewpoint or if they actually got Steve to present his side of the story. That would surely enlighten the issue. But I agree with folks here; I don’t think these will happen and we will be force-fed lazy journalism and another rip job against what seems like a great Cubs fan.
by FrostyMalt on Jul 29, 2010 8:03 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
If he didn’t go after the ball the guy next to him would have touched it (maybe the luckiest guy in the park).
Odd you should mention this. The fan discussion I had took place at the Abbey Pub on N. Elston in Chicago. Why? Because the guy sitting next to Bartman that night is the owner of the Abbey. You can see him sitting there in the video in a gray sweatshirt. He told all of us, “That could have been me.”
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Kinda surprised you would participate...
Would you sit down for a ESPN doc about Mr. Wickers?
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by Dan Serafini on Jul 29, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
The reason I participated was to put the "opposing" viewpoint in.
I hope they did so.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And
there is no opposing viewpoint for HWSNBN.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jul 30, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
I have zero faith that this film won’t be an excuse to ponder the whereabouts of SB. At most, there may be 10% of the time dedicated to "it wasn’t really his fault,’ but I think that participating in the film just keeps the story alive a little longer and further cements it into the lore.
The ESPN show “5 Reasons You Can’t Blame” Bartman was sufficient.
I am no fan of Mr. Wickers, but with his longevity and ubiquity, he is as much a part of the of the story of the Cubs in the last 40 years as SB. And, yeah, unfortunately there are enough clueless people to provide an ‘opposing viewpoint.’
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by Dan Serafini on Jul 30, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be too quick...
to judge the documentary just yet. I haven’t seen all the 30 for 30 films but of the ones I’ve seen, they’ve all been pretty top notch. The Two Escobars was intriguing and definitely the best I’d seen. In case anyone was wondering.
Also, from my understanding this isn’t merely a re-hashing of what Fox, ESPN, or in particular the Marlins run out there every year. It’s more a film about whether or not Steve could ever forgive Cubs fans for the way they treated him that night and beyond.
And there's the rub
After 7 years, a vast majority of Cubs fans have analyzed the situation, placed blame where it should properly lay, and felt bad for Bartman. He “caught hell” for sure, and I wouldn’t have wanted to be in his shoes for about 6 months after the incident, but that was the better part of a decade ago. We understood the error of our ways pretty quickly, and laid off the hate just as quickly. I’ll wager that Steve Bartman could wear the same outfit he wore that night and sit in the same seat he sat in (“The Bartman Seat”) and someone near him would crack wise that he looked “just like that guy”. If he chose to reveal that he was that guy, the fans around him would want to talk to him, get his side of the story. There would be no lynch mob.
Instead, I get the question all the time from non-Cubs fans: “What about Bartman, eh? Do you hate the guy or what?” And I always have to say that I blame Gonzalez, Prior, and Dusty more than I blame Bartman for that loss. The speech has become automatic for me, as I’m sure it has for most of the readers of this site.
If Bartman himself cannot read sites like this, interact anonymously with other fans, and realize that a lot of the hatred of which he was a victim has vanished to be replaced with a slight sense of shame for having blamed him in the first place, then he’s just wallowing in self-pity. I do not need him to forgive me. I complained just as loudly as Alou did at the time, but I forgot about the dude who missed the foul ball the moment Gozalez booted that easy DP ball. After 3 months of the 2004 season, I’d wager that 90% of Cub fans did the same thing. If they did bash the guy, they felt bad. If they were asked if they were sorry about it, they would say they were. If they had been asked to apologize to Bartman’s face, there would be no hesitation.
If Steve Bartman cannot get that, he is a coward, afraid to confront the past. It was an ugly incident. I feel bad that the guy had to endure it. But if this documentarian or Bartman himself believes that he is still as despised now as he was that day in October, 2003, and that fact makes him a martyr or a hero, then they are sadly out of touch with the general Cubs fandom. Blogs such as this one can be perused (and searched!) to figure out just how ludicrous that thought is.
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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Considering what Bartman went through in 2003
I can forgive him not wanting to take the chance.
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Bartman as Hero?
I’ll give you that he has been treated horribly and unreasonably. But a fan reaching for a fly ball that looked at least close to being caught …I’m not going to make him a hero. I surely sympathize and feel bad for him and his family.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 29, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
A hero?
I don’t know about that one.
I certainly feel awful for the guy, but dude just reached out for a foul ball and wound up “Catching Hell”
Coulda been anyone.
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He's only a hero
to the guys sitting around him who were also reaching for the ball.
That play was a turning point in that game and series. But in my opinion, it was Alou’s reaction on the field that made it a turning point. Alou might have gotten to that ball, but it would’ve been quite a play if he did, and Alou wasn’t exactly a spectacular left fielder in 2003.
If Alou jogs away and shakes his head after that play, then I don’t think the rest of the game goes down like that. After that play, the energy change was palpable, and everyone seemed to start pressing. They did that, imo, because Alou made such a spectacle of the situation and made it seem like a turning point.
I think the Bartman play was the big deal. I don’t think Bartman was the big deal.
DEJESUS!!!
The play wasn't the big deal.
The reaction to the play was — from Alou, in part.
The other reaction was the NON reaction. Despite Mark Prior’s dominance in 2003, he was a 23-year-old kid in his first full major league season. The manager needed to go out there and at least calm him down. Dusty Baker sat on his butt. He’s as much to blame as anyone.
There’s one more thing a lot of people have missed. If Joe Torre had been Cubs manager then, he’d have had his closer warming up in the 8th inning. Get those last five outs and you have four days off. No doubt, Torre would have brought in Joe Borowski right then and there. So would I.
Dusty Baker is as much to blame as Alex Gonzalez for booting the DP ball.
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Dusty was still licking his wounds from blowing the 2002 World Series
he was asleep at the wheel at Game 6, which the Giants blew just as dramatically as the NLCS Game 6 a year later http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ANA/ANA200210260.shtml
by holy mackeral on Jul 30, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow I completely forgot about the '02 WS and how dramatic that was.
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It is one thing to be pissed
and quite another to piss in your hands. Either way, Alou is/was a buffoon
by holy mackeral on Aug 2, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Amen
That was hideous managing by Baker. Torre would have gotten Prior out of there. You can make a case that you empty your bullpen at that point and go for it.
I’ll go to my grave believing that Alou wouldn’t have caught that ball. We’re not exactly talking about Willie Mays or Ichiro here.
As for Alou’s reaction, I consider that par for the course. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a stupider player who was supposedly good. Theriot will never be the worst living Cub baserunner so long as Alou is alive.
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by Worf on Jul 30, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
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by cooliogirl47 on Jul 30, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing new, so it will be a rehash for those of us who lived through it.
If they show that scumbag Grant DePorter and the blowing up of the ball (and they will), you will know that this is simply a load of dung. It wil be hyped as to whether they will get an interview with SB.
They won’t get that interview as he is going to stay out of the spotlight.
Let’s be honest, he could be sitting next to any one of us at a Cubs game, and we would never know.
Good for him.
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Never did I blame Steve Bartman, and never will I.
It’s time to move on. I think we, as Cubs fans, have moved on. Are we “over it”? Hell no. But c’mon, ESPN…it was 7 years ago. Give me a break.
I recall at the time my thought process was: “Damn, Alou would have caught that ball…but why the hell is everyone freaking out right now? We are still only five outs away!”
Alou’s reaction — uncalled for
Gonzalez’s botched ground ball — THE game-changer (not the foul ball)
Dusty leaving in Prior too long — the nail in the coffin
I’ll tell you what: forget about game 6. Let’s back track here. Everyone remember game 1 when Sammy hit the game-tying home run in the bottom of the 9th to knot the score at 8? Then we had the momentum into extras…and…nothing. Then, BOOM…W, W, W in games 2, 3, & 4. We had Z vs. Beckett in game 5. Yes, Beckett pitched a great ballgame (2-hitter), but that game was scoreless thru 4 1/2. Finally, game 7…Cubs had a 5-3 lead in the 5th inning. Enough said.
Leave it alone, ESPN. I think most (knowledgable) Cubs fans have “forgiven” Bartman. It’s time they left it alone.
Man I wish the Red Sox had never one the World Series…like Goodie1969 posted above: “Damn you, Dave Roberts!”
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Good recap of that series.
You speak the truth about what really cost the Cubs the pennant. However, let’s keep an open mind on the documentary until it’s shown, OK? Maybe the filmmaker will be fair with everyone involved.
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 29, 2010 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right. You're right. I'll try to be open. But still...you understand my point.
One more side note — Prior had Pudge Rodriguez 0-2 the next at-bat before serving up a hanger that was lined into left field.
OK that’s all
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Never mind. I just read the guy is a filmmaker and a Red Sox fan.
Who knows? Maybe he understands….
by Fraggin Judge on Jul 29, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Bartman wouldn't talk to him
So I think he uses Buckner in it to try to get some idea what it feels like.
I’ve said it before, Bartman has never owed Chicago this kind of silence and class.
If it were me, I’d move away and then sell autographed pictures of that play for $10 a pop. If I looked that much like Jared from Subway, I’d get a sponsorship from them. I’d go to every dirtbag community theater from Topeka to Wasilia and re-enact the play for $20 and a ham sandwich. I’d try to do Celebrity Boxing with Tonya Harding.
Unlike Buckner or Denkinger, Bartman has never cashed in. Denkinger now does joint appearances with Herzog and signs autographs.
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Denkinger sign autographs?
What Card’s fan is asking for that autograph?
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by RiskyBusiness on Jul 30, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
how has Buckner cashed in?
the press made it look like that was the most famous play in baseball history. The reality was that even if Buck makes that play, the game continues in extra innings, where the Red Sox were still very capable of losing anyway.
I have never seen any instance of Buckner cashing in on that play. Kindly explain.
by holy mackeral on Jul 31, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/021016
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ESPN 30/30
I have seen most of the 30/30 series. Some are good (U of Miami, Hank Gathers/Paul Westhead, Len Bias) and some are not so good (Run Ricky Run). As a filmmaker, I feel if the producers of the Bartman episode want to do a bias production, then Alou, Dusty, and other must be included. They can’t do a hatchet job on Bartman and say this is how all Cubs fans feel. I will ALWAYS feel that Dusty had alot of blame for that inning. He should have hanked Prior before the flood gates really opened. Let’s not forget, we had game #7 the next night and we laid an egg. By the way…would we even be talking about Bartman IF Z and the Cubs had won game #5?? Just a thought…
By the way…would we even be talking about Bartman IF Z and the Cubs had won game #5??
Well, of course not. But I don’t blame Z for that loss. No one was going to beat Beckett that day.
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I agree, Al
What I was saying if we won game #5, Bartman would be a non issue and we would be getting ready for Prior to pitch game #1 in the world series.
by iw on Jul 30, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Beckett was a pitching key to the Marlins entire post-season
2 CGs in that post-season. Similar to Livan Hernandez in 1997.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jul 30, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
The Two Escobars
I saw most of this 30/30 film and it was very good. The old film footage, the interviews, and the intertwined stories of the soccer player Andres Escobar and drug kingpin Pablo Escobar really held my attention.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jul 30, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
And there wouldn't have even been a game 5 had they won game 1
Just another thought…
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The main thing I remember from the incident
was the way it felt-like all the air had been sucked out. I could feel it 50 miles away from Wrigley. It was surreal. Like everyone suddenly believed that there really WAS a curse. Creepy. Hope I never feel anything like that ever again.
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Physically at Wrigley Field
I think I was still breathing. Maybe.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jul 30, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I felt that too
I live now and then in South Carolina…I felt that this could not be happening. I remember feeling like that in ’84.
by iw on Jul 30, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Time to forgive and forget.
I think the entire Bartman thing is poetic, almost like Casey at the Bat. For 95 years Cubs fans had blammed owners, players, managers, cats, goats, day games, night games, wind, no wind Steve Garvey and Leon Durham, for the almost a century worth of losing. In the end, it was one of our own that did us in. And we all know, as much as we deny it, that we would have reached for that ball all too. To say you caught a foul-ball the night the Cubs clinched the pennant, can you imagine. You all, I am sure, have seen the 5 Reasons You Can’t Blame Bartman…and I agreed with them all. I want to see Bartman back at Wrigley, and give the Cub fans a chance to say they are sorry…which we should be. If Z and Tiger can say they are sorry, so should we.



















