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A Cubs History Lesson: Cubs vs. Reds Preview, Saturday 7/3, 12:05 CT

Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana

In recent days, other bad Cubs seasons before this one have come to mind; in discussions in the bleachers we noted that at least in seasons like 2006, for example, the team would at least score a few runs and lose 13-12. Yes, there was a game with that precise score on May 28, 2006. The entertainment value that day was enhanced when a routine infield popup was hit by one of the Braves. Instead of becoming an out, it hit Aramis Ramirez in the head and bounced into the seats; the baserunner eventually scored the winning run.

We don't even have that right now.

Anyway, thinking further about it, this season is starting to resemble the 1973 campaign. Though Ernie Banks had retired two years earlier, the core of the great teams that never quite made it (Ron Santo, Billy Williams, Fergie Jenkins, Don Kessinger, Glenn Beckert and Randy Hundley) were all still there. Unlike this season, though, the '73 Cubs started out like they'd finally put it all together. When the first half of that season ended, they were 48-33 and eight games ahead in the NL East.

Then the wheels fell off. And fell off hard. Over the next 39 games, the Cubs went 8-31. No, that is not a typo. Eight wins and thirty-one losses. On August 16 they lost to the Braves and were 56-64, 5.5 games behind. That game, a 10-2 loss at Wrigley Field eerily reminiscent of yesterday's (the Cubs had a 2-0 lead after seven and gave Atlanta a nine-run inning), followed a 15-1 loss the day before in which the Cubs made four errors. Those two were the last of an 11-game losing streak. So yes, it can get worse.

That team made a run briefly after that, winning eight of ten and moving to within 2.5 games of first in a bad division, then flopped. The Mets, who were in last place on August 30, won the 1973 NL East with the worst record ever for a division winner, 82-79.

The point of all that is this: management backed up the truck and broke up that team big-time at the end of the season. The Opening Day 1974 25-man roster contained 11 names that weren't on the team at all during 1973. It's not as easy to do that today with big-dollar contracts, of course, and here's another cautionary tale: the '74 Cubs last saw .500 at 6-6. They then went 9-20 on their way to a 96-loss season, the fourth-worst in club history.

You could rebuild like that when the top ticket price was $4; attendance dropped from 1,351,705 in '73 to 1,015,378 in '74, a drop of 24.8%. It's not 1974 any more and an attendance drop that large would cost the Cubs tens of millions of dollars. This franchise cannot afford, nor will this fanbase tolerate, a total rebuild like that. I don't know what the answer is, but this team is in trouble.

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Today's Starting Pitchers
Randy Wells
Randy Wells
Cubs
vs. Johnny Cueto
Johnny Cueto
Reds
3-6 W-L 8-2
4.96 ERA 3.74
71 SO 74
26 BB 29
7 HR 8
vs. Cin -- vs. Cubs

W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2010 - Randy Wells 3-6 16 16 0 0 0 0 90.2 108 51 50 7 26 71 4.96 1.48


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2010 - Johnny Cueto 8-2 16 16 1 1 0 0 98.2 95 41 41 8 29 74 3.74 1.26

Johnny Cueto has made eight career starts vs. the Cubs and is 2-5 with a 4.59 ERA. Thus, he should be perfectly positioned to throw a three-hit shutout today. He has not faced the Cubs this season. Current Cubs are hitting .348 (48-for-138) against him. But current Cubs are hitting .117 (7-for-60) in this series and .133 (12-for-90) over the last three games, all losses. Which do YOU think is more important?

Randy Wells appears to have fixed the problems from earlier this year; two of his last three starts have been good ones. But the Cubs have scored 15 total runs in Randy's last seven starts, and only one in each of the last two. He hasn't won since April 30 (six losses, five no-decisions). Does it really matter how the Reds do against him? (In case you care, no current Red has homered off Randy in 48 total AB; he has not faced them in 2010.)

If you can stand to watch, today's game is on CSN Chicago and FSN Ohio. Here is the complete MLB.com Mediacenter for today.

MLB.com Gameday

Baseball-reference.com game preview

SB Nation game preview

Please visit our SB Nation Reds site Red Reporter.

Today's first pitch thread will be up at 12 pm CDT, and the overflows will post at 1, 2 and 2:45 pm CDT.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Good morning Al

I remember the ‘73 Cubs. After the fallout of the ’69 Cubs, I learned to accept defeat and heartache. This season I have been mostly on the sidelines; haven’t been writing much but still reading BCB. I don’t think I’ve ever given up on the Cubs before july 4th but I’m there now. I don’t think I have the optimism of my youth to hope they can turn this around. I am actually hoping the Cubs continue to lose so they will break up this team. I can’t see any good coming from most of these guys.

"Bats, they are sick. I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. I ask Jobu to come, take fear from bats. I offer him cigar, rum. He will come. " Pedro Cerrano

by shifafaontheside on Jul 3, 2010 10:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Toews-Makes-Funny-Faces

Said it best in the recap thread from last night.

It’s not so much a lack of talent this team has. No, the talent for an 80-85-win season is there.

Instead, it’s a lack of effort. You see players not running hard, fielding mistakes all over the place, errant throws from SS and now 2B, and a lineup that basically remains the same despite all proof that it’s not working (that last one’s on Lou).

I’m with you on this one, I hope they break this team up in a big way in the offseason. Find a way to get rid of Zambrano, and possibly, DLee and Aramis Ramirez. Don’t go for the biggest names in free agency, go for the best players.

It’s not about having the names that will sell the most gear or memorabilia. It’s about winning baseball.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Monday, July 5....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 3, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I truly beleive the failure in this team is management

Mostly Hendry, Lou has lost his heart.. They both NEED to go.
I’d like to see the Cubs unload as much as possible before the deadline, fire Lou, let Trammell finish the season and look for free agents in the offseason.
I agree with you VCF, we need good role players (like Byrd), not big contracts

"Bats, they are sick. I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. I ask Jobu to come, take fear from bats. I offer him cigar, rum. He will come. " Pedro Cerrano

by shifafaontheside on Jul 3, 2010 10:54 AM CDT reply actions  

If anyone has been watching the postgame interviews,

They are proof Lou has lost his heart.

“Look, what do you want me to do?”
“What kind of baseball do you play?”
“I wish I had some answers for you.”

Isn’t it the reporter’s jobs to ask questions at the postgame press conferences? If Lou answers some questions by asking questions like that, he is basically saying “Please fire me.” And yet, Ricketts isn’t listening.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Monday, July 5....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 3, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Besides Soriano, Fukudome and Zambrano

What are the toxic contracts we have left?

"Bats, they are sick. I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. I ask Jobu to come, take fear from bats. I offer him cigar, rum. He will come. " Pedro Cerrano

by shifafaontheside on Jul 3, 2010 11:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Ramirez

can opt out of his contract, which he won’t do since he’s having a horrible season.

by portlandcubfan on Jul 3, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ramirez just needs to finish strong

and he would be smart to opt out. There aren’t any other real free agent third basemen out there this off-season, and as he ages his contract prospects will diminish. If he opts in and has a bad year again, he may not get a chance at another big contract. But if he finishes well (and he might, he’s been hitting better since he came back) teams may give him the benefit of the doubt.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jul 3, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eternal return

All of this has happened before, and it will happen again.

"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas

by RiskyBusiness on Jul 3, 2010 11:11 AM CDT reply actions  

It took me a while to find this.

Why is it not on the front page of BCB?

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Monday, July 5....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 3, 2010 11:17 AM CDT reply actions  

Find what?

"Bats, they are sick. I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. I ask Jobu to come, take fear from bats. I offer him cigar, rum. He will come. " Pedro Cerrano

by shifafaontheside on Jul 3, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

When I opened up BCB itself.

I originally linked to this through the “Recent Posts” sidebar, but the pregame thread and writeup is not on the front page of BCB.

So I got a little confused when I opened my browser window again and didn’t see it there. I didn’t know where to look.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Monday, July 5....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 3, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

No wonder there isn't much activity here

I thought everyone had just given up on the season

"Bats, they are sick. I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. I ask Jobu to come, take fear from bats. I offer him cigar, rum. He will come. " Pedro Cerrano

by shifafaontheside on Jul 3, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

The top post on the front page of BCB is Josh77’s minor league writeup from yesterday.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Monday, July 5....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 3, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not adept enough at computers to fix this

Can anyone else remedy it? Al, can you?

"Bats, they are sick. I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. I ask Jobu to come, take fear from bats. I offer him cigar, rum. He will come. " Pedro Cerrano

by shifafaontheside on Jul 3, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

It may not be adeptness at computers that could fix this.

Al is the administrator of BCB … only he decides where this goes. I’ll send him a message on Facebook/

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Monday, July 5....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 3, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I couldn't see it either just 5 minutes ago.

I thought Al had no interest in making a preview today so early, and I sure couldn’t blame him for that. It surprises me to see these time stamps…something weird is going on.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 3, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Same problem with the mobile version


"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster

by eths on Jul 3, 2010 12:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Heard the other day that the Cubs were in the top five team in MLB with a team quality start in which they gave up 3 runs or fewer then that.

Well, I also heard that they are the worst team to win when their whole team allows 3 runs or fewer, winning only 50% of their games. So I don’t care if Randy pitches a bad game. Why? Because even if he only pitches 7 innings of 2 run ball, the Cubs offense will find a way to make the opposing pitcher look better than he really is.

by braziliancubsfan on Jul 3, 2010 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Being a "glass half full" kind of guy...

Here are the top five reasons to be happy about the Cubs 2010 season.
1. I can enjoy the summer without being tied to the TV/computer.
2. I will save money on tickets.
3. I will avoid the late summer/early fall agony when the Cubs usually get eliminated.
4. Wait til next year carries more hope…It couldn’t get much worse.
5. We almost certainly will see a change in GM and manager

"Bats, they are sick. I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. I ask Jobu to come, take fear from bats. I offer him cigar, rum. He will come. " Pedro Cerrano

by shifafaontheside on Jul 3, 2010 11:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Come on the water is great

Still enjoying my 10 day break in Door County. Next week I will be back in NYC unable to stop myself from watching at least some Cub games. Maybe Lou runs back to Florida after the AS break and a few rookies come up or maybe the Cubs try to lose 100 and get the first draft pick. Actually coming in for a week of games on the 16th.

"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 3, 2010 11:52 AM CDT reply actions  

We could all use some R&R

I’m off to Mt. Hood for a few days. Looking forward to no TV, no inernet, no Cubs induced hand-wringing.
BTW -I think Door Co is beautiful. So did my Mom, she wanted her ashes spread there and they were.

"Bats, they are sick. I cannot hit curveball. Straightball I hit it very much. Curveball, bats are afraid. I ask Jobu to come, take fear from bats. I offer him cigar, rum. He will come. " Pedro Cerrano

by shifafaontheside on Jul 3, 2010 12:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

In Canada..

Fortunately, I’m in the middle of two weeks in Canada and can’t keep up with the Cubs too closely. Their bad play means not wanting to catch the WGN games which ultimately turns into more time on the lake fishing!!!

"Don't give up...don't ever give up." - Jim Valvano

by augie90 on Jul 3, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

This team is BORING to watch

That’s the bottom line, no spark, no O. They are in a lot of games (even yesterday thru 6) but just not good enough to win anywhere near half of them.

The dropoff in offense is to blame, obviously. I know league-wide hitting/offense is now (by what percent?) but Cubs are gonna score what, 200 runs less than they did 2 yrs ago? How, where do we find more offense? 1b-3b-2b seem to be best spots but I don’t see a lot out there in FA or trade market that is guaranteed upgrade. Thoughts?

Never hear Brenley say it or Kaspar but I bet they are thinking how boring this is!! Bad is one thing, boring is another and turnoff to fans.

by QuincyCub on Jul 3, 2010 11:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Dusty Baker:

"Not that one man [Votto] is all the difference, but he is a major difference on this team – not only hitting-wise. He increases pitch counts of the other pitcher by the number of walks he gets."

I thought he was just clogging the bases.

by cubsforever on Jul 3, 2010 12:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Gotta give Dusty

some credit . Votto is what we wish we had . Hard to beleive 2008 was just 2 years away . More time to cut lawn, paint, and other chores . Wish it was 2011 .

by cubs north on Jul 3, 2010 12:22 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm not sure I've ever really reacted to the Cubs like this before.

I’m not heartbroken, I’m not sad, I’m really not even disgusted.

(Of course, I’m not pleased!)

It’s kind of like, meh…another one.

When losing due to mediocre/bad play is not only not news, but not even interesting enough to annoy me any longer, the only thing I can say is that I’m surprised the apathy hadn’t developed to the extent of not wanting to bother with this comment.

At least with some of the earlier bad teams, I cared enough to be PO’ed at their performance. Now, even clicking the BCB favicon on my bookmarks bar feels like going through the motions.

by MN exile on Jul 3, 2010 1:00 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm with you there

I have had a hard time even getting into baseball this season. Part is from the Hawks and having that weird winners feeling, but a big part is the Cubs themselves.

No excitement, no fun, NO EFFORT! But I will still follow my Cubbies, at least until the Hawks training camp breaks.

ART.I§8-11; AM I-XXVII Not a suggestion, but an obligation.
Listen to the wisdom of James Madison!

by Toews-makes-funny-faces on Jul 3, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

we will see

july 31st if the cubs start breaking up the team.

by NOMAR on Jul 3, 2010 10:11 PM CDT reply actions  

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