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Randy Wells, Cubs Defeat Reds 3-1. No, That's Not A Typo: "Cubs Defeat Reds."

The Cubs failed to lose on a brilliantly sunny and warm Saturday afternoon at Wrigley Field, instead scoring more runs than the Cincinnati Reds, 3-1. This allowed the Cubs to increase the number in an unfamiliar category on the sports page, "Wins".

Actually, this was quite a strange game. The Cubs got 15 men on base before one was able to score; the 17 men left on base is a team record for a nine-inning game and only one short of the National League record for LOB in a nine-inning game (and that's been done only five times, and the Cubs left their 17 on base in only seven innings, going 1-2-3 in the eighth).

Before I move on to praising Randy Wells for taking a no-hitter (with one walk) into the seventh inning and winding up with a four-hit, 7.2 inning effort with only one run allowed, let me echo Bob Brenly's call-out of Wells in the fourth inning while laying down a sacrifice bunt. Reds first baseman Joey Votto threw wildly and 2B Brandon Phillips had to stretch for the throw and then step on the base. Meanwhile, Wells was loafing down the line -- he would have been safe if he'd been running the play out.

Brenly said, "Play the game!" That's exactly correct. Laying down a sacrifice bunt doesn't mean you don't try. Anything can happen and nearly did; instead of having a pair of runners on and nobody out, which might have led to actual scoring in that inning, the Cubs left a pair on base.

Star-divide

Now, it's time to praise Wells, who had excellent command of his pitches today and, finally running out of gas in the eighth inning, had to be relieved by Carlos Marmol with the tying run at the plate. In fact, if not for some bad baserunning by the Reds in the seventh, they probably would have scored then, since they broke up the no-hitter with three straight hits including a double by Scott Rolen. Rookie Chris Heisey, who had led off the seventh with the clean single to left that broke up the no-no, got caught between second and third when a pitch briefly got away from Geovany Soto; he was thrown out trying to get back to second.

And the bullpen never got going until there were multiple runners on base. I guarantee you, Bobby Cox or Tony LaRussa wouldn't have waited that long to get their pens up. Wells wound up with 71 strikes in 99 pitches thrown, but on a moderately warm day, he appeared to be running out of gas long before Lou pulled him -- and it wasn't as if Lou needed to leave him in to qualify for the win in the eighth, since the Cubs were already ahead!

Carlos Marmol issued a walk, but otherwise had an uneventful inning for his 15th save.

By no means does this solve any problems. Going back to the sixth inning on Tuesday -- when Alfonso Soriano homered to give the Cubs a 3-1 lead which they held -- the Cubs have scored in only two of 38 innings (the pair of runs they scored in the eighth inning on Thursday, and the three in the sixth today). The offense is sluggish and can't seem to cash in on opportunities -- witness the ridiculous number of runners left on base today. There have been only 26 games in Cubs team history (since 1920) when they have left 17 or more men on base; until today, all of those had been extra-inning games.

Nevertheless, a win is a win. 40,677 was the announced paid attendance, a few hundred more than yesterday, although it looked smaller. The first half of the season ends with the team 11 games under .500 -- not good -- but a win tomorrow would, at least, give them a series split against a Reds club that looks pretty solid.

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Hey look everybody - Al's back! ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 3, 2010 4:00 PM CDT reply actions  

You see Al's back every game!

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Jul 3, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

And head hanging while he's muttering

“What the hell do I write today”?

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 3, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm.

Maybe I’ll put up a blocking screen.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 3, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just think...

If Wells didn’t loaf it, we may have tied that LOB record!

by cj100683 on Jul 3, 2010 7:18 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

"Failed to lose"

I like what you did with that. You took my idea and ran with it. Well played, sir.

RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).

by Ace Venom on Jul 3, 2010 4:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for the suggestion!

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 3, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Everyone!

Make sure Ace Venom gets credit for this!

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jul 3, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Play the game!"

I think Brenly could do some great things yet this year as Cubs’ manager. It doesn’t seem as the players are held accountable by Piniella (or Hendry, or Jaramillo, et al), save for the recent Zambrano tirade. I know Byrd would’ve been hustling down the first base line.

"Whenever one finds himself in the majority, it is time to step back and reflect," Mark Twain.

by WindisBlowingOut! on Jul 3, 2010 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Byrd hustles down the line after a HBP

I bet he hustles when he wipes his rear, too

by Danwood on Jul 3, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

According to the AP story on the game,

Piniella talked to Wells about this afterward.

I know we love to take every little thing and use it as a cudgel against Lou/Hendry/whomever, but it appears they were aware of the situation.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 3, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Half the team doesn't move down the line unless it obviously will be close.

As BB said today, it needs to be a habit rather than unusual. I see Byrd, Fonty, Hill, and Theriot move down that line. Not much of anyone else besides rookies Colvin and usually Castro. If Lou wants to fix this he needs to get something done with veterans like Lee and Ramirez who are the worst offenders. I don’t remember the last time either of them busted down the line.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 3, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Lou wants to fix this he needs to get something done with veterans like Lee and Ramirez who are the worst offenders.

He won’t do it. He’s not that kind of manager.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 3, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't Lou supposedly tear into Soriano early this season

when he “admired” a long fly that ended up staying in the park? And Soriano has turned it around after that.

by ChipSet on Jul 3, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

And yet, Soriano still stands and admires long fly balls.

He did it just the other day.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 3, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Depends on your definition of tear

Lou: “Sori, please don’t make me have to answer any more questions about the team. I just don’t have any answers. Thank you.”

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jul 3, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not so quick on Castro.

I am seeing far too much in the way of lackadaisical play from this kid, and if it’s not addressed soon, he might wind up like some of our other renowned loafers.

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra

by tville on Jul 3, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

What makes you think they would listen to Brenly?

I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"

by Ross on Jul 3, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice day - Germany creams Argentia and then, more importantly, the Cubs win!


"A waist is a terrible thing to mind." - Terry 'Fat Tub of Goo' Forster

by eths on Jul 3, 2010 4:12 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

I dunno about "more importantly"

Maybe on this site, but World Cup matches always trump baseball games in my mind.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 3, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

No batting practice for the cubs today....

Yesterday I called for something to change this lack of hitting up and Lou must have heard me. By getting 15 runners on the law of averages finally swung in our favor. I say no BP until after the all-star break, what the heck it can’t hurt!

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Jul 3, 2010 4:21 PM CDT reply actions  

It was posted on the Cubs bulletin board

before yesterday’s game and they were shut out.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jul 3, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

did they not take any bp yesterday?

or was that suggestion posted?

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by hansman1982 on Jul 4, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Al... FYI

That was Votto throwing wildly to Phillips on the Wells bunt.

by fsuapollo on Jul 3, 2010 4:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks -- will fix.

Thought it was Cueto.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 3, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wells said in the post game...

….that he thought he was going to be tagged by the 1b, so he stopped, in order for Votto to come to him instead of running into the out. That Votto went to first so quickly made Wells look bad.

Yeah, hindsight is 20/20 and all, I was screaming about the play when it happened. But it looks like he was making the right play, no?

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 3, 2010 4:40 PM CDT reply actions  

That's not the way it looked to me.

Looked like Votto (I thought it was Cueto at first) was facing 1B, not toward Wells, so it appeared his intention was always to throw, not to tag Wells.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 3, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

And it could have been Votto's intention to go to first all the way....

….but I think he was close enough to the line that Randy may have thought he was going to be tagged.

Anyway, Lou was asked about it as well, and he seemed to buy Well’s story.

It looked horrible, that’s for sure.

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 3, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

If that is indeed what Wells said

I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt, even if the play looked really bad.

And I’ll give him the benefit because he has shown to be a stand-up guy. He has faced the music when he has pitched poorly (cough Pittsburgh cough St. Louis cough).

So given that, I’ll take Randy at his word that that is what he thought was going to happen, even if it didn’t really look like it.

by fsuapollo on Jul 3, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pardon me, but....

…BULLSHIT. Wells can say that all he wants, but the fact is he was never running full speed on that play. He loafed it, pure and simple.

This from a guy who had to scrape and scratch and get rejected over and over before he finally caught a break and was sent out to pitch when they had no other choice last year. If anyone on the Cubs should appreciate every damn day of being a big leaguer, it’s Randy freaking Wells. I admired his season last year, his tenacity and his story. This year, I haven’t seen the same intensity. Today, with his and the team’s back against and mostly through the wall, he pitched a gem. It’s a shame he didn’t give it 100% in every phase of the game. He had a chance to help himself at a point in the game when it was still 0-0, and he blew it.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jul 3, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

To clarify

My B.S. remark isn’t directed at poster Carmen Fanzone, it’s at Wells.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jul 3, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't this the same website

that completely lost its mind when Z strain a quad “running full speed” on a bunt?

Ugh.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jul 3, 2010 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

The populace was divided on that particular play

But I think this populace is prone to lose its mind on most any minor play. C’est la BCB.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 3, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

But...

isn’t Wells just “paid to pitch”?

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jul 3, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not yet

Give him a coupla years.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 3, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its just weird.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jul 3, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Depends on how you approach the game

The kid’s in his second year. You don’t expect NL-style pitcher loafing in that year. If Wells were in his 5th year and had another 2 years on his fat contract, you’d forgive it. As it is, he’s had a rocky sophomore year, so you’d like to think that he’d be doing everything to win.

That’s the received wisdom, anyway. I don’t necessarily buy into any of it, but I’m weird that way. In my world, contracts shouldn’t make a difference in how a player plays the game. I guess some folks (including those who actually play the game) see it differently, though.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 3, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I don’t really get it, at all.

I didn’t see this play (flipped on gameday for a few minutes but thats it).

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jul 3, 2010 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

When you are established at your position and doing well yeah you'll get more slack.

Not that its right but sure it happens. At least then you’ve won enough games there is something there to make you overlook his offensive deficiencies. Not much there for Wells yet.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 3, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not yet at all.

He hasn’t established himself yet. He had a good day pitching, but this year has been hot and cold for sure.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 3, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

But that was the argument from that

insanity with Z: He shouldn’t be trying to get a hit b/c he’s only paid to pitch.

Shouldn’t that apply to every NL pitcher?

Or does it only apply to players people like/don’t like?

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jul 3, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

You didn't hear me say that Z shouldn't run it out.

It should apply to everyone.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 3, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bottom line

should be that players get paid for performance. The more you get paid, the more that is expected of you. I expect my higher paid vets to work harder and set an example for the other players. It’s called leadership. I can respect a player who, for whatever reason makes a physical error or even goes into a slump. What I will never accept is less than 110% effort on every play.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jul 3, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remember that. This is also the same website

When another injury to Z caused an all-out flame war in a FanPost, prompting chiding from Al.

I remember the one you refer to as well.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Monday, July 5....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 3, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some on this website said that

But I wasn’t one of them. Thanks for lumping me in, though.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jul 3, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

An ugly win....all those LOB really make it hard to take anything from this game.

Good pitching. Bad offense. Again.

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Jul 3, 2010 4:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Crap! I thought this game was on tonight!

At least the Cubs pulled through and Randy was brilliant on the mound.

Jeez, I gotta keep a better eye on the schedule… LeBron fever is clouding my mind…

"Nothing can happen till you swing the bat."
-Haruko Haruhara

by windycitywarrior on Jul 3, 2010 4:48 PM CDT reply actions  

A quick dash of "consistently failing in the playoffs" should help clear it up

Just do what I do – use Bushmills to cloud the mind. It’s ever so much more enjoyable.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 3, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Cubs missed the NL record for LOB by 1

And the MLB record for LOB by 3.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 3, 2010 4:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Didn't I say that in the post?

The NL part, for sure:

The Cubs got 15 men on base before one was able to score; the 17 men left on base is a team record for a nine-inning game and only one short of the National League record for LOB in a nine-inning game (and that’s been done only five times, and the Cubs left their 17 on base in only seven innings, going 1-2-3 in the eighth).

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 3, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

You missed the MLB bit

I was just embellishing.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 3, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn - that's the wrong word

I was adding a little extra detail there. Nothing to see here – move along.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 3, 2010 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Thanks for the added note.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 3, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

This was looking alarmingly like Lilly's game

when he took the no-hitter into the ninth, but they broke through.

Colvin, despite failing with a guy on 3rd and one out, looks good near the top of the lineup.

Castro, it should be noted, was 1 for 2 with 3 walks. He’s developing a pretty good eye, and should also be near the front end of the order.

I really hate Theriot’s game. Fontenot should get the bulk of the time at 2nd, when he’s not filling for Ramirez at 3rd.

Scott Bora$ is satan.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Jul 3, 2010 5:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Note.

One of the walks to Castro was intentional. But I agree, he’s developing a good eye.

One thing about Castro that he has to work on — the game moves faster at this level. I’ve noticed a number of his throws seem a bit nonchalant, and he’s made plays that should not be close into close ones.

Agreed re: Fontenot.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 3, 2010 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point about Castro

A lot of closer-than-it-should-be plays at 1B on his throws, it seems.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 3, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very well could be, JB

He certainly has the potential. I don’t think Al’s point negates that.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 3, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I just think he needs to adjust to the speed of the game at the ML level. It’s asking a lot of him, to come all the way so quickly, skipping over Iowa.

It’s going to take some time, but I think he’ll adjust eventually.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Monday, July 5....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 3, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hope so too. He sure has a lot of talent.

I remember twice clearly him taking his time which probably seemed like an instant in the minors…and the runner barely being called out. He could use a word with Lou…but then we have so many problems he’s pretty far down the list right now.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 3, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right.

I’ll cut him some slack because he’s 20 years old. But he is going to have to adjust his game to the ML level.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 3, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

But on the speed plays, he comes through more often than not

Someone (like Trammel) needs to pound it into his head that at this level, they’re all speed plays.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 3, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's taking an extra step

on his throws. Perhaps it’s because of his early problems making the throws. In any case, I expect he’ll reach a happy medium in the near future.

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jul 3, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think

I think they told him to slow it down. Castro can make these plays faster than he has been. They must think his throw is better when he takes his time. Got this impression from a Ryan Theriot interview.

by AboutTheCubs on Jul 3, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brenly also said something about him

succeeding recently in slowing his game down. When he made errors early, it was often in situations when he rushed the play even with plenty of time to make it.

He just needs to keep playing in order to find a happy medium.

by JohnM on Jul 4, 2010 5:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Victory!!!

A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.

by mikegncb34 on Jul 3, 2010 5:36 PM CDT reply actions  

...

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 3, 2010 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

total domination....

…I really thought the Argentineans would put up a better fight….

The Spanish goal was unreal….caught it through the window at Bernies post Cub game

by JB 23 on Jul 3, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

As I said in the Game (not Match) Thread

That’s what strikers aim for. It’s so much in the training, it may as well be in the blood.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 3, 2010 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm

They did dominate them from scoring…but Spain scored very near the end of the game…if that goal doesn’t bounce off the post and back off the post and in, who knows what would have happened. It was a very close game.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 3, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

And if Alonso's teammates hadn't encroached on a PK, Spain would've been up 1-0 before that

It’s as situational in soccer as it is in any sport. But as a courtesy to those who have never played (striker) – that’s how you train. Full-speed, half-speed, just standing around – it doesn’t matter. Your shot is always at hip height toward a post, as that’s the toughest spot to save. While a good portion of the world sees it as lucky, I would look at a result that didn’t end in a goal as the opposite.

That’s what you train to do. David Villa is one of the very best in the world at making that kind of goal happen, and he came through. Just like he planned it. :D

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 3, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah if his teammates hadn't screwed up they would have scored.

If my uncle had …he’d be my aunt too. I don’t know what you are trying to say here…that it wouldn’t have been close if the team hadn’t screwed up? I guess that’s possible. Anything is possible.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 3, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm saying that the goal wasn't lucky (as seemed to be your point)

Villa did exactly as any striker would have done in that situation, and he did it well. Good for him!

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 3, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's good sure.

But I don’t see how that ball bouncing off a post twice and in happens often. Good for him sure…I was rooting for Spain and thought it was a great, well-played close game decided by a few inches on each side if you will.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 3, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Clutch if I don't see you tomorrow on BCB

Have a happy and safe 4th of July with you and yours. Glad you enjoyed today and I’ll be watching the semis this week too!

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 3, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

And the same back at’cha :)

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 3, 2010 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll be shouting that on Monday.

Once I reach Mount Washington’s summit.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Monday, July 5....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 3, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've never done this before, but today I added a LOB row on my scorecard because it was so obviously horrid.

Usually I figure that I can just go back and figure it out. But today, that stat was the talk of standing room, until the eighth when the Cubs went K K K and so failed to leave anyone on! It got so bad that early in the sixth, before any runs scored, the jokes were flying about “looks like another LOB opportunity to me!” Then when Soriano blooped his single that split the outfielders and infielders, the cheers, I thought, were more derisive than anything. Or just abject relief to see that they’re actually capable of hitting runners in! And still, they left the maximum number of runners on in the 6th after batting around. Why do wins have to be this depressing? Losses are depressing enough. Wells looked great, though, but lost it in a hurry in the 7th. Why didn’t Rothschild go out and settle him down after he lost his no-no? Or did he and I missed it. I only saw some infielders try to talk him down.

One of Lee Elia's 15%

by waiting4cubs on Jul 3, 2010 5:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Standing there today, I was so worked up by the 5th that I turned to my wife and said, I am going to start booing.

Men on 1st and 2nd in the first. Nada. Lead-off double in the second, then a walk and a sac. Zero. Bags loaded in third. Rien! Leadoff guy makes it to third in the 4th. INGENTING! In the 5th a lead-off double and 5 men reach but they get zip. They should have scored 8 or more today, maybe 5 or more in the 6th. So even though they won, it still felt like more of the same. Sorry but I was pretty mad, and three runs didn’t look like it would be enough to win when Wells lost it in the 7th.

But I smile and say, let’s go get ’em tomorrow!

One of Lee Elia's 15%

by waiting4cubs on Jul 3, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Très bon pour "rien"!

Winning is contagious. Let’s hope we catch that particular bug.

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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 3, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Regrettably, so also is losing

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jul 3, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, I know

I was listening in the car and it was frustrating. But a win’s a win, and those have been hard to come by.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 3, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep that's why I just looked in the game thread once in awhile once we scored.

It’s been a long time since we won a game and I wanted to actually enjoy it. Didn’t need to think about the season or how they usually screw it up…or etc. etc.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 3, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately, Wells loafing on the sac is just another symptom...

…of what a dead team this is.

I was re-reading Peter Golenbock’s excellent book “Wrigleyville” the other day and, in it, Rick Sutcliffe tells the story of how, just five days into his tenure as a Cub in ‘84 and in the midst of a four game losing streak, Billy Connors (piching coach) called the entire staff into the clubhouse and proceeded to completely go off on each and every one. Sutcliffe described it as Connors being enraged at mental mistakes, etc. Even Sutcliffe, who hadn’t had a chance to even pitch yet because of a waiver screw up, got reamed for his lack of conribution and, according to him, “he (Connors) meant it too”.

Maybe modern players are just too rich and too pampered to respond to that kind of “motivation” nowadays but I’d still love to fantasize that there might be somebody on the current team that would actually hold players accountable for mental mistakes, lack of hustle, etc. Unfortunately, we don’t seem to have that guy on this team hence the inept product we’re seeing on the field.

by bluekoolaide on Jul 3, 2010 6:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Speakin of rich players, another major topic of conversation in standing room tpday was the players' cars.

From where we stand you look right down onto the players’ parking lot. I don’t begrudge them the fruits of their successful salary negotiations, but by the 6th inning, there was a lot of grousing about a certain Rolls, a Bentley, a Ferrari etc.

One of Lee Elia's 15%

by waiting4cubs on Jul 3, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bill Veeck once said that he had no problem with "the high price of talent"...

…he just hated the “high price of mediocrity” or, in the Cubs case, the high price of underachievement and ineptitude.

It’s amazing how little I care about salaries when there’s at least the illusion that they’re being earned. No illusions, however, this season.

by bluekoolaide on Jul 3, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really don't understand this attitude.

Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden

by Allie on Jul 3, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting

One of the more fun games to play during boring home Braves games is to check out the players’ lot and guess which car belongs to which player. You don’t see a lot of luxury cars in the lot – one or two Benzes, a BMW here and there, but there are a lot of SUVs with tinted windows.

And because the lot next to Wrigley is so visible to the public, it may behoove our guys to drive the wife’s car in the future…

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 3, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling that these guys are so disconnected from...

…the “common man” that they could care less about how things like that look to many people.

That’s one of the reasons why it’s been so much fun to follow a team like the Blackhawks-there’s definitely more of a connection between players and fans. Hockey players, by and large, seem to “get it” more than other pro athletes.

by bluekoolaide on Jul 3, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

And just to add another page to the legend that is Ted

When he doesn’t walk to work, Ted gets dropped off by his wife who drives a…

…Subaru.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 3, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yet another reason to keep him around.

And that’s exactly the point — someone who “gets it”, who isn’t so above the fray that he forgets who’s paying his salary.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 3, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't know that about Ted Lily but...

…at teh same time it doesn’t surprise me too much. He definitely has more of a hard working, “blue collar” vibe. I wouldn’t mind seeing them find a way to keep him around either. We need more guys like that.

by bluekoolaide on Jul 3, 2010 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe its just me

but, with 2 out in bottom of 6th, n bags loaded, don’t you think Lou mighta pinch-hit for wells? I know he had a no-no going, but i also know wells at bat was a grounder to 3rd to end the inning. I also know how hard we’re struggling to put up runs. Any thoughts on that? am i daft? :]

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by jeffstorm2 on Jul 3, 2010 6:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Kinda, yeah

We came close to a non-no earlier this year. You think anyone’s gonna deny us the one thing we might (potentially) have to hang our hat on for the 2010 season?

I wouldn’t have made a switch, and if you think about it, I’ll almost guarantee you wouldn’t either.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 3, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

i care more for the teams record

than wells individual record. just my opinion. If we’d lost this one 4-3, i’da had to consider lynchin lou!

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by jeffstorm2 on Jul 3, 2010 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

The team's record is garbage

And is likely to be so at the end of the year, too. Why deny someone an opportunity at history?

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 3, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok Clutch

i admit you make a valid point. I just think a loss (had it been the end result) woulda had everyone second guessin the AB in bot 6th with the bags loaded.

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by jeffstorm2 on Jul 3, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

That may have been the storyline

Had the tides turned and the Reds won. I kinda doubt it, though. Nobody expects pitchers to leg it out, even though they are just as responsible for getting on base as any other player in the NL. Let’s just say it’s a good thing for Wells that the Cubs won, eh?

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 3, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

We can agree on that!

Its just that i’ve seen us “snatch defeat from the jaws of victory” soooo many times. I almost never feel comfortable. Its almost a given, Marmols gonna at least give the “bad guys” a chance, hit one or two, walk 1-3, etc. Enjoy your holiday n be safe! Jeff

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by jeffstorm2 on Jul 3, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

we gotta agree to disagree

thanks for your opinion tho! :]

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by jeffstorm2 on Jul 3, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree with you as well Jeff.

But I sure see where you are coming from. It was the team’s fault with his great performance we had such a small lead and taking him out at that point seemed wrong. But if we then go on to lose, I’m sure many would come back and say we messed up. It’s something you have to weigh for sure.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 3, 2010 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey SET

its obvious my opinion isn’t real popular, it could be me gettin paranoid! after losin 12-0 the other day, its like no lead is safe! Have a happy n safe 4th!

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by jeffstorm2 on Jul 3, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lol...Hi Jeff!

Sure understand that one. I hope you and yours have a very happy, fun and safe 4th of July…and another victory tomorrow would be nice too!

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 3, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seeya my friend!

lets hope we split with the reds!

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by jeffstorm2 on Jul 3, 2010 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm going back outside...it's a nuthouse here.

Every hillbilly in my neighborhood has a fistfull of bottle rockets and a beer walkin’ around…it’s fun as long as you keep on your toes!

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 3, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats why i said be safe!

Some “kids” by me are doin what sounds like 1/4 sticks! later, i may be on tomorrow.

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by jeffstorm2 on Jul 3, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

no

"Shut the f*** up" – Derrek Lee. Well said my man, well said.

by jesus christos on Jul 3, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree

I say leave him in – most of the other cubs would have gotten out anyway and unless you are going for the pennant late in the season or if you are close to the top of the division then you pull him, if your offense is doing well. In this case I say leave him in regardless since we are not going to do jack squat and at this point you almost want to root for losses.

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by hansman1982 on Jul 4, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

OT: has anybody noticed that Ubaldo Jimenez is on track for 30 wins?

I know it’s pretty unlikely that it will happen (these hot streaks tend to even out, esp. in teh second half) but it’ll still a lot of fun to watch it play out.

by bluekoolaide on Jul 3, 2010 6:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Is he even going to get 30 starts?

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jul 3, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Considering...

… that today is the Rockies’ 81st game and his 17th start…

I would say yes, he’s on pace for 34 starts.

He won’t win 30 pitching like he’s pitching tonight, though.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 3, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I just saw that.

Anything can happen in Colorado.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 3, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

My daughter is now 1-0 lifetime at Wrigley

Today was her first visit to Wrigley and first Cub game and they got the W for her!

She’s 3 (4 in October) and was well-behaved throughout. We left at the bottom of the 7th. I told my wife (pregnant, due to August) that even though we planned to leave early I could guarantee if Wells still had a no-no going into the 8th we’d be the only ones exiting.

by rgonzale on Jul 3, 2010 6:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Those tickets seem to be getting cheaper by the day to see them too lol :)

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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 3, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sigh.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 3, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was talking about reselling tickets, Al.

Not the discounted ones.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 4, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously? 17 LOB in the first 7 innings?

So let me get this straight. The Cubs left four less men on base than was mathematically possible.

They we 79% successful in leaving men on base. That’s impressive in ANY league.

Seriously, I’ll manage the Cubs for 1% of what Lou is making and do at least as well.

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Jul 3, 2010 7:25 PM CDT reply actions  

scary stat, aint it?!

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by jeffstorm2 on Jul 3, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, all right. 2%.

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Jul 3, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

now that'd be bang for ur buck!

One thing tho, you’d havta stay awake for the entire game… ok with that? :]

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by jeffstorm2 on Jul 3, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

No Ramirez

Wells did a good job as did Marmol. Cueto had a bad outing throwing 101 pitches in 5 innings and only 54 strikes. The Reds bullpen allowed the Cubs to finally score. They should have added-on in the 7th and 8th, but before that they did real well without Ramirez and his .180 avg batting in the middle of the lineup. Ramirez can’t be in the middle of the lineup until he finds his stroke.

by AboutTheCubs on Jul 3, 2010 7:38 PM CDT reply actions  

I know that, and you know that, and most know that....

but who the heck is gonna tell Lou?! Hell, even Aram likely knows it!

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by jeffstorm2 on Jul 3, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

A lot of us have been saying that for almost two months now

One of the most frustrating aspects to Pinella is his basic refusal to move struggling veterans down in the order. It’s basically pointless to even discuss since he’s made it apparent that it’s never going to happen.

by bluekoolaide on Jul 3, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Zeke, is that...uhm, could that be...maybe its my imagination...

but that sure looks like Scammy Sammy Sosad…as a kid?!

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by jeffstorm2 on Jul 3, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

put him in for Ramirez

at least he would draw some laughs.

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by scottsdalecubs on Jul 3, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aram already has me laughin! (at first i cursed, then i cried, but now...)

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by jeffstorm2 on Jul 3, 2010 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I trust you weren't comparing Sammy Sosa to a monkey.

Because, you know, that could be construed in some not-so-nice ways.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 3, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

nah, just something "around the eyes"...

Enjoy your holiday Mr Yellon.

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by jeffstorm2 on Jul 3, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

You could give eths a run for his money.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 3, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about her?

Is she hired?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 3, 2010 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hired for WHAT?

I’m afraid to ask…

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Jul 4, 2010 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

No WAY would Chewy be willing

To sign anything less than 8 years. Way to long for a guy who hit his peak about 30 years ago!!

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by PacificCub on Jul 3, 2010 9:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

He'd have to play for an NL team, though

Nothing quite like his next AB after the ump starts squeezing him late in the game…

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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 4, 2010 1:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

G'nite all!

i gotta at least try to get to bed…fireworks…ugh!

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by jeffstorm2 on Jul 3, 2010 8:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Of course I miss a win.

If that’s what it takes I guess I can keep missing them. :D

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jul 3, 2010 8:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey Sue

I was just leaving- hope uyou n yours have a safe n happy 4th!

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by jeffstorm2 on Jul 3, 2010 8:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks jeff.

We were out enjoying the lake today since it looks like rain tomorrow. You have a safe and fun 4th too.

A lovely story:

One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....

But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.

The end

by sue369 on Jul 3, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

so AZ can fire Hinch, hire Gibson, whom I like, and it takes an act of congress to lose JH and LP?

That’s what $175+ MM payrolls get you these days, huh? Nowhere to go?

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by scottsdalecubs on Jul 3, 2010 8:16 PM CDT reply actions  

And worse...

I think about 3 Ws seperate Cubs n AZ!? Tom Ricketts hasta pull the trigger, IMHO.

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by jeffstorm2 on Jul 3, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not for Ryno...yet

Wut about Bob B keepin a seat warm?

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by jeffstorm2 on Jul 3, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

He'd do it for the right amount of $, which Ricketts won't authorize.

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Jul 3, 2010 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Do you think that or know that?

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jul 3, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Call it an educated guess.

We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971

by Zeke on Jul 4, 2010 7:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I doubt Brenly would want the job.....

….. unless he was assured of a multi-year deal. He doesn’t strike me as somoene who would just warm a seat.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jul 3, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

BB's 2001 World Series Ring

might have something to do with that. D’backs over the Yankees in 7.

by ChipSet on Jul 3, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK but

would the 2010 Lou Piniella win a title with the talent BB had in 2001?

by ChipSet on Jul 3, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably.

Lou’s a push-button manager.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 3, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's sure possible.

Doesn’t seem hard to me for any manager to simply allow those two pitchers to pitch most of the games and dominate the series.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 4, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Having seen a clubhouse chock full of talent do nothing in 2004

I’ll give BB some credit for keeping everyone on the same page and pulling in the right direction.

I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.

by EalyEagle on Jul 3, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brenly's firing was pointless.

His replacement did worse.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 3, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to belabor the point

But BB does have a WS win under his belt.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 3, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trammel

Has ML managing experience and managed to get a losing team to maintain its dignity.

by ClarkFan on Jul 4, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep, I'd say Jerry DiPito is exactly who I'd want setting the strategic direction for my team

and just for the record – Gibson was already on the payroll as bench coach, most likely hired by Hinch.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 3, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, no

Gibson had been there for two years before Hinch came along.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jul 3, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting - I'm guessing that'd be before Byrnes too?

So was Gibson the sole survivor when DBacks last cleaned house? Kept him on to help with transition?

Just seems odd that a manager wouldn’t want to pick his own bench coach.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 3, 2010 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yabbut...

I think Rothschild had already made a name for himself as a pitching coach (enough of a name to turn it into the Tampa managing job), so unless it were somebody like TLR bringing a Dave Duncan along, I can’t see too many managers having a huge issue with accepting Rothschild as part of the package.

OTOH, I don’t think Gibson, while a heckuva ballplayer, had that much of a reputation as a bench coach did he?

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jul 3, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just how does one

evaluate a bench coach?

If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.

by tharr on Jul 3, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brynes became GM in 2005....

…so he hired Gibson.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jul 3, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

OT world cup question

If there are only four teams left why are there three games scheduled?
Is there some kind of silver medal game?
I see games scheduled for the 6th, 10th and 11th.
Thanks

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by CubFaninNY on Jul 3, 2010 9:53 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Four games left on the schedule, actually.

The semifinal matches are on the 6th and 7th. Following a couple of days off, the third place match is on the 10th and the championship is on the 11th.

I hope this explains it.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Monday, July 5....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 3, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

More a "bronze medal" game, really

And if you dislike soccer for its low-scoring matches, the third-place game is the one to watch. In general, nobody cares who wins the thing, so both teams start the match by throwing everything into the attack. And then they keep doing that for the full 90. 5 goals in the third-place match is not an unreasonable expectation.

It’s terrific fun after (almost) a full tournament of tight defense and few scoring opportunities. I recommend watching in a sports bar full of ex-pats from one or both countries.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jul 4, 2010 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know of a German sports bar in my hometown.

You can bet I’m going to that one for Germany’s last match.

I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.

Preparing to hike to the summit of Mount Washington in New Hampshire on Monday, July 5....

State high point count: 2/50

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 4, 2010 5:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

THANKS, GUYS!

who says Cubs fans aren’t the smartest fans in baseball!

An optimist sees the cup half full. A pessimist half empty. A Cubs fan waits for the cup to tip and spill...

by CubFaninNY on Jul 4, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

German sports bar?

Dang. hope you have fun there. gonna feel sorry for myself for awhile now.

"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach

by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 4, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

a win

is a win. but this trend of scoring 3 runs or less every game is the main reson we are 11 games under 500. as good as our pitching is they cant limit the other team to one run every game. this offense has to get going NOW.

by NOMAR on Jul 3, 2010 9:57 PM CDT reply actions  

The way this season is going

you take all the wins you can get. However not getting hits with runners on, is as painful as it gets. You would have to think that it has to improve. Unfortunately been waiting for 3 months.

by Grockcubs on Jul 3, 2010 10:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Wells getting back on track

Good to see Randy throw a second consecutive strong outing

been a weird season for Randy, but the indicators suggest he’s been pitching better than his results and I still think he can be a solid cost-controlled SP option for the next few years as a back-end/mid rotation starter.

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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 4, 2010 9:51 AM CDT reply actions  

DARE WE HOPE?

for a split, that is…

An optimist sees the cup half full. A pessimist half empty. A Cubs fan waits for the cup to tip and spill...

by CubFaninNY on Jul 4, 2010 10:38 AM CDT reply actions  

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