The All-Canada Show: Cubs vs. Rockies Preview, Friday 7/30, 8:10 CT
by Al Yellon on Jul 30, 2010 5:00 PM CDT
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More on the pitchers after the jump, but this is the first-ever matchup as starters of these two pitchers born in British Columbia, Canada. (Dempster appeared in relief in a game Francis started at Wrigley Field on September 30, 2006.
Other than that, it's status quo tonight.
- Carlos Zambrano is expected to give his apology to the team after he's activated this afternoon. Bob Howry was given his unconditional release to make room for Z on the roster.
- There is no additional news regarding any of the Cubs trade rumors at this writing. I will update either this post or the others if anything new happens.
One more miscellaneous note about tonight's game: since the Cubs and Rockies are playing only five games this season, if the Cubs win tonight they'll clinch the season series -- since they won both games in Chicago in May.
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This is an unknown pitching matchup -- Ryan Dempster has made two starts vs. Colorado since returning to the rotation in 2008, one that year and one last year; Jeff Francis hasn't started against the Cubs since 2008. Current Cubs are hitting .338 (23-for-68) against Francis with three home runs; current Rockies only .150 (6-for-40) vs. Dempster with only one XBH (a HR by Clint Barmes, of all people). In short, this could be a 1-0 game... or one of those 13-12 Coors Field specials.
Tonight's game is on WGN and FSN Rocky Mountain. Here is the complete MLB.com Mediacenter for today.
Baseball-reference.com game preview
Please visit our SB Nation Rockies site Purple Row.
Today's first pitch thread will be up at 8 pm CDT, and the overflows will post at 9 pm, 10 pm and 10:45 pm CDT.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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First!
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base." --Dave Barry
wow Dempster is having
such a great season you posted the stats twice! Well here is the beginning of me starting to care about football this year…
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I found that after the post went up.
Fixed it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
how dare you speculate
that Theriot is leaving this team – he is the heart and soul of the club…if it means that our 2011 starting 2b (barring fa or trades in the offseason) gets to start I am 100% behind shipping him out for nothing…
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if thats true and hendry doesnt do it
i might punch him
by jesus christos on Jul 30, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont live in the area to get ESPN 1000
saw it on twitter. anyone else able to confirm?
Wow...and the holdup is...?
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
Theriot is declining out of loyalty to the team.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 30, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Hendry is afraid Theriot will show that picture he has of JH and Lou together.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 30, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD...
LET THIS BE TRUE.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 30, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe they'll take Hill, too and they can throw in Snyder?
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
This is the most excited I've been about the team since ST.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 30, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
OMG. I would do that in a second!
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Please make this trade.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 30, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree with all these posts.
I know the Cubs did kick the tires on Kelly Johnson before he signed with Arizona, but decided to stick with (at the time) Fontenot and Baker.
But now? GETITDONEJIM
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
This is lose-lose as far as I'm concerned
Kelly Johnson’s baseball IQ is about 1 point higher than Theriot’s. This will not help.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 30, 2010 7:58 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
...
Carlos Zambrano is expected to give his apology to the team after he’s activated this afternoon. Bob Howry was given his unconditional release to make room for Z on the roster.
When did Howry give his apology to the team?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 30, 2010 5:10 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
that was before he signed the contract
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After Hendry gave his.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
Before Lou gave his.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 30, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
don't worry...someone will.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 30, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Go for the win Cubs!
Good luck tonight Ryan.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
toddkaufmannbr Report out of Dallas..#Rangers talking to #Cubs about Ted Lilly. Offering Rich Harden and Scott Feldman in return
DONT DO IT HENDRY DONT DO IT
Oh please no.
Not Rich Harden.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 30, 2010 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions
...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 30, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
This is like a joke tweet, right? One of those Fake Whoevers?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
No, it's worse than that.
I looked at the guy’s Twitter page. He writes for Bleacher Report.
Move along, nothing to see here.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
So the tweets from BR are ... not worth reading?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 30, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
it depends on who you ask...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 30, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions
+1 to that
the only things that are potentially worth reading there are likely plagiarized
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Jul 30, 2010 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
And many times, they just make stuff up.
Like this one, most likely.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Regarding Zambrano's apology (reposted from Z thread)
Z back, met w/ team. D Lee says apology accepted. Z: I just want to move on and be at peace w/ everybody
Says he wants to eventually return to rotation. Vows to return to form.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
which form is he going to return to?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 30, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Form of
a bucket of water.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jul 30, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Wonder Twin powers activate!
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 30, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Deja vu
"I do not aim with my hand; he who aims with his hand has forgotten the face of his father. I aim with my eye.
I do not shoot with my hand; he who shoots with his hand has forgotten the face of his father. I shoot with my mind.
I do not kill with my gun; he who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father. I kill with my heart."
by windycitywarrior on Jul 30, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Return to rotation ... which rotation?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 30, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
um....
Says he wants to eventually return to rotation. Vows to return to form.
Havent we heard this before, say 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005, 2004…..
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Z says wants to stay in chicago but will waive no trade clause if cubs tell him they want to deal him.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
GETITDONEJIM!
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 30, 2010 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Says anger mgmt sessions to continue during homestands. 8 or 9 more sessions.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
well thats good
shows that even though he has only had 3-4? he is going to keep on keeping on…maybe (and good god am I ever the eternal optimist) he has had his bottoming out point
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Well let's hope so.
He said before he went to 3 sessions when he apologized. You’d think it wouldn’t be that hard to fit them in. This just smells of so much whitewash.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 30, 2010 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
So how many more sessions before
the counsellor says something wrong and Z sacks his office?
I’m going with 3.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
Yeah sure.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
#cubs lineup fri is rf colvin, ss castro, 1b lee, 3b ramy, cf byrd, lf sori, c soto, 2b riot, p demp
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
hopefully the last hoorah for theriot
by jesus christos on Jul 30, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
strained his bicep working out
so he could hit more home runs
by jesus christos on Jul 30, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I was going to say somehing else...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 30, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Strained eye muscle
from looking at so-o-o-o many pitches without swinging.
Strained his arm
reaching for another microphone?
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
Theriot - late scratch...
Is that like a late night boot-E call?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Yes please.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Maybe. about the 3rd inning we'll see Theriot shaking hands in the dugout...saying his good-byes.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
I'd be happy with that
…but seriously, those scenes are always among the saddest in baseball to me. Even if the guy wants to go, he’s leaving what has basically been his family for X number of months and years.
"You’re playing a baseball game. You’re not playing Tiddlywinks. There is competition, for God’s sake."— Lou Piniella
Lou Piniella will be weeping like
he just watched “Brian’s Song” and “The Champ” back-to-back.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
Swap Fontenot or Baker for Theriot, and it's the best possible lineup.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 30, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
wouldnt mind seeing
Castro, Soto, Colvin, Rami, Byrd, Sori, Lee, (2b), (P)
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At least Geo is back in the lineup.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Yes.
Nice to see Lou is letting our starters play again.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 30, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Somewhat OT...
Went out to eat Wed night and Sox-Mariners game was on the big screen. Thankfully it was on mute, but they did have the closed-captioning thing going. Not exactly sure how that works but obviously there’s always a bit of a delay.
Anyway, between chicken wings, I’m watching and see that Mariners have runners on 1st n 3rd. Buehrle picks runner off 1st so now there’s a rundown between 1st n 2nd. Runner on 3rd waits and then takes off, Ramirez throws badly to home, and runner scores.
Naturally the closed-captioning is a bit behind, so I’m able to read where Steve Stone says something about lack of fundamentals and poor execution (btw – he sounds pompous on cc too). Harrelson chimes in with something like "That’s a terrible play… " and then nothing.
There’s at least 5-10 seconds of dead air – or dead screen in this case – and then slowly I see “Dag gum…” appear on the screen. Don’t know if they use a software application or if it’s an actual human transcribing in real time, but I about spit up a chicken wing laughing at the thought of someone (or something) having to translate that jibberish all night long…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
LMAO
I love watching closed captioning when they can’t quite figure out what the people are saying. The device used for that is similar to what’s used by a court reporter for transcribing courtroom dialogue. But sometimes… TV people say weird stuff. Like, for example, what you heard.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Oh, and for live TV like sports and news?
It’s a live person. There’s a company in Virginia (at least it used to be there) that contracts out for a lot of these types of jobs.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I thinking
Alot of BCBers would be excellent at this – typing and watching a game at the same time.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
It's just as funny listening to a GPS unit butcher street names.
In San Diego, I was in a car with one, and we were approaching a turn on La Bajada (“La Bahada”) but the GPS unit messed up and said “La Badjada” instead.
Everyone in the car burst out laughing.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 30, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember watching the news with the closed captioning on
and it turned the words “Governor Blagojevich” into “Golfmore Blagovich.” I still refer to him that way to this day.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
ha that would be tough
went to a school that tought court reporting/closed captioning stuff and it was a tough degree to get – 2 year program that most people finish in 3-4 years…they use a funky looking keyboard and before they work they pre-program it with commonly used phrases and various shorthand words.
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CC for live events is always bizarre
Ever follow it for the news? Unbelievable some of the things that get translated.
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
LMAO
That is so in character for Harrelson.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 30, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Muskat says that Lou
will miss the weekend (Sat, Sun, Mon) to attend the funeral of his uncle.
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
call up ryno
to manage the weekend. it could be part of his interview process.
by portlandcubfan on Jul 30, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
one thing
not sure of this – but do the Chicago Cubs actually have Ryno on the payroll or does the Iowa Cubs? or is there no distinction anymore?
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I don't know.
The Cubs assign managers to their minor league teams; the minor league teams themselves don’t hire them, so I assume they get paid by the major league Cubs.
In any case, Alan Trammell will probably run the team for the three days.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
ya
I was assuming they wouldnt bring up Sandburg just curious who pays what, if I am remembering correctly minor league teams used to sell players to their big league teams…
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That was the old days...
… when some minor league teams (like the old PCL before the major leagues moved to the West Coast) were more independent. That just doesn’t exist now.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
ahhhhh the good ole days
back when players didnt cheat er, gamble on their sport, er well they are the days…
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what if we sweep all 3?
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I don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth
or appear callous but 3 days off for an uncle’s funera?. I doubt he takes that much time if the Cubs are in a race, but just another sign he really does not care anymore.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 30, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
My workplace gives three days off if there is a death in the family.
Just saying.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 30, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
-1
really stretching…let the man grieve, dont know how close he was to his uncle or where he has to travel to…
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not really...an uncle isn't immediate family..
how many of us would get 3 days off if our uncle passed away?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 30, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Depends how close family it is.
I’ll give Lou a pass on this one.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
a big corporation such as
Wells Fargo, GM, etc probably not – a “smaller” organization such as the Chicago Cubs it certaintly isnt unheard of…
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I work for a big corporation
and you don’t get time off for an uncle’s passing. Same for an aunt. Grandparents, parents, wife, and child are it.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jul 30, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
At my workplace
the policy is to use some discretion based on the situation. E.g., closeness of the particular relative, travel needs, responsibilities, etc. An uncle could be like a 2nd father, or a near-stranger, or anything in between.
We appreciate it, because not all bereavements are created equal.
Sorry but THREE days is A LOT
Where does the Uncle live Europe? Would a manager in the heat of a race take 3 days off for this? I don’t have a problem with one day but in this day and age it is not that hard to get to and from a funeral in a day. I am happy he won’t be there to manage but I do think it shows a lack of commitment. Sick child should get you all the time you need, but not this.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 30, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
You know, you really have to temper your hatred of Lou.
Give the guy a break. Someone in his family died; maybe he was close. And yes, in the heat of a race, you do it.
It may take a day’s worth of travel, a day there, and a day back. You really think he should fly there in the morning, go to the funeral, then fly right back?
You really are callous. If it were Sam Fuld’s uncle, you probably would say, “Go!”
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Jul 30, 2010 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1000000000000000000000000
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 30, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
If it were Sam Fuld's uncle...
Sam could use his super-human speed to simply run to wherever the dead uncle was and breath life back into him with his magical powers.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 30, 2010 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
if it was Sam Fuld's uncle
she would be there herself…
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Pile on much?
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
It's not totally unwarranted.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 30, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
There's a limit here?
3 is too much? 2 is just right? His opinion is just as valid.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 30, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Consider who he's speaking about.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 30, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh cut the Fuld stuff out
I would question any player or manager taking that much time off for something besides a close relative being ILL.
and I say again he would not have done this if the Cubs were in the race. Now you can certainly argue since the Cubs are out of it, why not let him have an extra day for a funeral, but I feel players and managers should still play and manage as if they were IN a race and give 100% all of the time. To be fair a lot of the Cubs will by physically present at the 3 games, but no more involved in them than Lou hundreds or thousands of miles away.
I should never look a gift horse in the mouth though. Take an extra 2 months to grieve Lou.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 30, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Really, you ought to quit right now.
You’re coming across as extremely callous and unfeeling.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
So someone ill deserves a player or manager taking time off,
But a death in the family does not?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 30, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 30, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
NO 3 days
isn’t a lot. I worked for both small and large organizations, non-profit by the way, and the minimum was always 3 days for a funeral. Depending on circumstances, more days would be allowed & charged to vacation.
Your comment was uncalled for. Your loathing of Lou is very evident in all your comments & you rarely, if ever, have anything decent to say about him.
I don’t have a problem with questioning is on field decisions, but in this instance you hit way below the belt.
That is all.
by Swoosie on Jul 30, 2010 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 30, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Had you seen that one game in Philadelphia a few years back
maybe you’d understand. But I’ll rec this anyway.
The game in Philadelphia has nothing to do with this.
As noted — questioning Lou’s managing is a reasonable thing to do.
Questioning his devotion to his family is not.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It was when Doggie herself says she knew that Lou was a cruddy manager
Which has now clouded her judgment to the point that she’s willing to take a swipe at him regardless of the situation, personal or otherwise. So it seems like it has everything to do with it.
Oh, now I see your point.
Yes, clearly that game has colored her opinion of Lou. My point was that it shouldn’t in this case, because this situation has nothing to do with baseball.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
What does that have to do
with her comments? Nothing!!
Her comments were directed personally at Lou and had nothing to do with his managing!
FWIW, I’ve seen quite a few games since the 60s. Yes, I’m an old broad and I’m proud of it.
That is all.
It is not a lot in the "regular" world
but baseball is NOT the regular world. Players and managers do NOT take 3 days off in other than execptional circumstances and many of those involve having the player placed on bereavement list. For all the money baseball is a hard life and you have to make a lot of personal sacrifices one of which is you do NOT get to take the same amount of time off as people in other jobs because there is no simple replacement for you. You can NOT compare baseball to a regular orginization.
As for my loathing of Lou’s managing, I wonder how many people would jump all over Z if ( when he was actually pitching well) he said he had to go to funeral in Latin America and it would cost him a crucail start. HE would be ripped for that if people thought it might effect the Cubs winning an important game. Here everyone gets a pass because the games are meamingless but the situation is the same. You need to behave as if you ARE in a race and act accordingly.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 30, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know Z's situation
But if he needed the time off and the team granted it to him, I’d respect it.
LOL
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
Parenthetically, I also don't approve of his being rushed through anger managemnet.
That kind of healing takes time, maybe a couple more months. It’s what’s best for Carlos.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
And you need to behave as if you are in the human race...
…and act accordingly.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
You're 100% wrong, Jessica.
Players often go on the bereavement list just to be with a family member who needs help, is ill, whatever.
I repeat: if it were Sam Fuld, you wouldn’t have said a word.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Just curious,
Was Ryan Dempster on the bereavement list last year at all with what his daughter was going through?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 30, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
No he worked
through it all.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
That's incredible.
I don’t know many people who could work through that.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 30, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I know players go on the bereavement list when they have a major family situation
That was the point. It is serious thing to take any major time off in baseball which is why that system was set up and why baseball is DIFFERENT from an ordinary job. It is not the same as taking time off from 9-5 job.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 30, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
So a death in the family is not a "major family situation"?
Seriously????
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 30, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
The bereavement list is a set up
specifically for players ( it really would not effect coaches or managers) who need to take MORE than a few days off it and it allows the team to replace them on the roster.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 30, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Point taken,
However I believe Piniella, just like anyone else, deserves to be able to get time off to go to a funeral when a family member dies.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 30, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I work at a hospital.
Simply put, there is no day off from work there. I got back after my vacation last week, and immediately got hit with what may have been the busiest work week I’ve ever had to go through. I got off three hours ago, but I’m more tired than I care to admit.
When my grandfather died in May 2009, people at work made sure I was covered in my work shifts. One co-worker took a weekend that I was supposed to work, and I found out he had died the Friday before the Saturday I was on the schedule.
It doesn’t matter how much different baseball is than everything else. Is there any reason why the players or managers should not be allowed to grieve like everyone else?
I know you don’t like Lou, but don’t you think you’re overstating it a little bit?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 30, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
You are so off base on this one, I'm gonna start calling you Riot Stalker...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I think "Lou Stalker" or "Piniella Stalker" are probably closer to actuality.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 30, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay, let's see if I get this straight.
You’re bashing Lou for taking 3 days off to go to a funeral for his uncle. If he didn’t go to the funeral, you’d probably bash him for not going.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 30, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
It's true
I hate Lou so much I want him to miss a funeral. I have attacked every move he ever made as a Cub. He has never made a single move I approved of and when I posted that he did I was under the influence of drugs. He was even responsible for my getting into a similar exchange years ago about Shawn Green when he decided to take one game of DH off for Yom Kippur. In fact every time I criticize any player about anything it is really all about Lou.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 30, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The reality is that there isn't much to care about in the first place at this point.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 30, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Go Cubs!
Hope y’all get to see the good Cubs and not that team we saw 48 hours ago.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Lance Berkman traded to the Yankees today.
Too bad that didn’t happen last week.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 30, 2010 6:31 PM CDT reply actions
Now Derrek Lee knows who he's auditioning for the rest of the season.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 30, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
From bad to bad eh.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 30, 2010 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
How disloyal of him to accept that trade
by Jerry Mumphrey on Jul 30, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL yeah.
Course there might be a difference between the Yankees and the Angels. You never know.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 30, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Did anyone tell me we get really bad thunderstorms here?
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 30, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know what you are talking about Jessica.
Was this a question to me?
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 30, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps you're referring to his fear of lightning at Wrigley?
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 30, 2010 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 30, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
How many HR's will Colvin hit this series?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 30, 2010 6:35 PM CDT reply actions
Could involve a prospect.
Let’s hope so…not much there in that rumor.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 30, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Less than 24 hours before all this madness is over.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I would say about 24 hours
I am in hell right now – waiting to see who the Cubs move and who else gets moved around the bigs AND waiting to get word back about my wife passing/failing nursing boards…both happens tomorrow so I will be a happy man come Sunday…
I Love Larry - Brick are you looking at random things around the room and saying that you love them - I Love Larry
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We might very well have a few moves made.
Still is very evident by now what we already knew. Besides Lilly no one seems to want our junk from a bad team.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 30, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Not necessarily
all the madness… but the Lilly madness will end.
Some of the Cubs’ clunkier pieces (Z, Dome) almost certainly would pass through waivers, so rumors (and hopes and dreams) about them will likely persist.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
There will be rumors of trades
As well as posts of them and how they should be traded as long as we have awful contracts on the books. But I do get you…your logic makes sense here. I don’t see a team holding up a trade with a counter offer.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 30, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Go Cubs.....smash those Rox into dust!
:)
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
live from behind the dugout...
Looking like storm blowing in. Maybe 20 degrees cooler than when we left hotel, and much windier. Go Cubs!
Blowing in what direction?
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 30, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions
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