Dodgers after Lilly AND Theriot
Get it done, Jim! Does anyone think we can pay their salaries and recieve possibly Jerry Sands and a lower prospect? Or is that unrealistic, Al?
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Was just about to post this...
… so thanks for doing it.
Don’t know anything about Jerry Sands. The link says the Dodgers would install Theriot at 2B and “possibly” send Blake DeWitt to Triple-A.
I like DeWitt. He can play 2B and 3B and won’t be 25 until next month. Maybe the Cubs could get him as part of this deal.
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That wouldn't make much sense though
Dewitt is almost a clone copy of Theriot, without TOOTBLANS and who can walk. Why would the Dodger want to replace him?
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 30, 2010 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions
i've gotten the impression
over the last couple of years that the dodgers just don’t like dewitt that much. no idea why.
by circuitclout on Jul 30, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions
DeWitt is better than Theriot...
He’s a better hitter (not a great hitter, but better than Theriot), and he’s as good a fielder at 2B. And he’s cheaper than Theriot.
Yeah
It’s more understandable if the Cubs asked for DeWitt in a package for Lilly, and then offered Theriot as a short-term replacement (who actually might back up Carroll). But if that’s the case, why wouldn’t they offer Fontenot instead? I haz confuzed myself.
Somebody take Aramis' bat off the restricted list, please.
You are NOT like Theriot
if you don’t TOOTBLAN and do Walk.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 30, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Also, please rec this post so it stays at the top of the list for a while.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
sands
here’s a scouting report from from john sickels at minor league ball.
i feel like if the dodgers were willing to deal him at this point that it would probably be an indication that you don’t really want him.
There are some real caveats in that scouting report.
Looks good, but there are some caution signs.
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in my book
he loses points for the mohawk, too.
by circuitclout on Jul 30, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Looking at this deal
not sure why the Dodgers want this – DeWitt seems to be the same (hitting wise) as Theriot – so unless they want him to work on something or think that Dodgers Stadium will be better for Theriot than Wrigley – not sure why you want Theriot but if the cubs can save some $$$$ by moving Theriot now I am all for it
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DeWitt is a better hitter than Theriot actually...
So I’m really not sure why they’d want Theriot either.
by SouthernCub on Jul 30, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
this would make since if the Cubs want Dewitt
he’s only 25, and actually has a lot more upside than Theriot…The Riot is what he is. Maybe the Dodgers are willing to part with him to get the Cubs to pay some of the Money Lilly is owed.
Seeing it as
Lilly himself should fetch a player in return worth talking about. With Theriot in this picture, it depends, or will probably depend, on how much emphasis is put on dumping salary vs acquiring talent.
Dodger Stadium should be a good ballpark for Lilly.
Sometimes I just wish the Cubs would keep Lilly and focus on trading Zambrano and Silva, but that’s a tall order. In the paper they said the Cubs probably didn’t offer Lilly enough to stay.
similar article but it's from Cubs.com
http://muskat.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/07/730_lilly_theriot_rumors.html
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by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 30, 2010 1:18 PM CDT reply actions
I realize the Dodgers might have some cash flow issues...
but please, they should be grateful to get Lilly and even Theriot for that matter, without asking for cash too.
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http://twitter.com/dylanohernandez
Dodgers talking to Cubs about a multi-player deal that would include Lilly and a position player (probably not Theriot).
the dodgers dont know what theyre missing out on….
That may confirm ...
Source: #Dodgers more inclined to get just Lilly than both Lilly and Theriot from #Cubs. Also looking at #Pirates’ Maholm, relievers. #MLB
Possible they’re after Fontenot, I suppose.
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Also on that Dylan Hernandez Twitter feed...
… he says the Dodgers have talked to Toronto about pitching.
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Interest from another team in Ted.
Tweet from Jon Morosi of Fox Sports:
#Cubs and #Reds have spoken about Ted Lilly, but not in recent days. Possibility is “remote” right now, source says. #Chicago #TRADES #CIN
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Lilly to the Cards?
I’d see if the Cards would be interested in a Lilly for Allen Craig swap. Craig seems to be major league ready, but blocked at his best position by Albert (who will NOT be leaving St. Louis any time soon!) The Cubs would get a young guy who could get his feet wet this season and compete for the 1B job next year. Lilly would give the Cards a solid #4 starter down the stretch.
that could be like the lou brock trade
only in our favor this time. Except Lilly is Lilly and not Broglio. And there probably won’t be another Lou Brock…but still could be good for us.
by portlandcubfan on Jul 30, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
It would be nice to get rid of Theriot.
I just hope they get someone worth something for Lilly. They should be able to get something worthwhile beyond moving his salary.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 30, 2010 6:58 PM CDT reply actions
I cant believe there has only been 26 comments..
things seem to be heating up… battle between Yanks and Dodgers..i’d rather Lilly go to LA because I like their farm better. Both teams have asked about Theriot.
Near deal
Heard this: The Dodgers and Cubs are closing in on a Ted Lilly trade.
http://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/19964198592
will Theriot be included? How much money will Cubs play? And the most important to me..who are we getting?
cubs want dewitt or johnson for theriot
dbacks want theriot and russell for johnson
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/1789/cubs-suffer-a-loss-for-the-ages
The Dodgers would like to obtain both Lilly and second baseman Ryan Theriot. The Cubs have asked for second baseman Blake DeWitt back as part of any trade. The Dodgers have no money to take on the contracts of Lilly and Theriot due to the pending divorce between the team’s owners. Dodger GM Ned Colletti is doing his best to be creative to try to make this deal happen.
The Cubs also have a possible deal with Arizona for second baseman Kelly Johnson. The Diamondbacks have asked for Ryan Theriot and left-handed pitcher James Russell in return.
by jesus christos on Jul 31, 2010 12:55 AM CDT reply actions
I'd rather get
DeWitt for Theriot than Johnson, just based on contract. It would be kind of odd for the Cubs to trade Theriot for an expiring contract, unless they had some very low-cost extension agreed to.
DEJESUS!!!
Johnson's contract isn't expiring
He signed as a free agent, but with less than 6 years service time. So he is still team-controlled through 2011, but subject to arbitration.
Somebody take Aramis' bat off the restricted list, please.
That's the only risk here.
Kelly Johnson is making $2.35 million this year. He’s having a really good year and might be in line for a pretty substantial raise through arb.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Maybe
but if he gets a raise it’s just a signal that we got a more valuable player. Considering the money wasted on the likes of John Grabow et al, a raise to Johnson seems like money well spent. This year isn’t really much outside his other years (other than a bad 2008), so he might be the real deal.
DEJESUS!!!
more valuable player?
what?
arbitration figures aren’t done on what a players likely to produce in the future, they’re done based largely off of historical production and comps for that production
his arb figure has no bearing on how valuable he actually is going forward. In addition a higher figure only makes him more difficult to move (as we’ve seen small amounts of dollars make a big deal in this economy for baseball teams)
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 31, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
"More valuable" is a low standard here
Since a broken fungo bat may be more valuable than Ryan Theriot and due for more in arbitration…..
I'm not here to argue
I didn’t make any sweeping generalizations about arbitration figures implying anything about future performance.
My point was that we will be paying more for Johnson next year, but we’re getting a better player, so it’s worth the money.
If you don’t think Johnson is a more valuable player than Theriot, then I don’t know what to tell you.
If you just want to argue because I disagreed with something you said the other day, then either drop your ego or find someone else to argue with, because I’m not interested.
DEJESUS!!!
your statement is wrong
“but if he gets a raise it’s just a signal that we got a more valuable player.”
a raise is no indication of his actual value going forward
dont know why you just cant accept that
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 31, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok
I’ll be the grown up and drop this.
DEJESUS!!!
simply trying to show you
how obnoxious your behavior is.
Everything you’ve complained about here citing yourself as the grown up is behavior you partake in consistently.
You follow around and antagonize Al repeatedly about the trade talk stuff whenever you get the chance. You misinterpret others posts and make a big deal about your interpretation being accurate.
Pretty hypocritical
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 31, 2010 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Small correction.
2009 was his bad year, not 2008.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
sounds like
it would be better to send theriot to the dbacks. i like theriot but apparently cub nation does not. majority rules.
I wonder
if the Dodgers would take Johnson instead of Theriot (if we made the D-Backs deal first) in exchange for a bigger return.
Not sure why the Dodgers are so keen on Theriot. I’d like Johnson at 2B next year, but it depends on what the Dodgers are offering in their deal.
Latest on this from Jayson Stark:
Sounds like #Cubs likely to send both Lilly & Theriot to #Dodgers. Doesn’t sound like Manny’s heading for either side of Chicago. #trades
Who knows what “likely” means? Seems to change every 30 minutes or so.
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I'd love to hear
what we’d be getting back. Hopefully Blake Dewitt isn’t the most significant piece coming our way.
DEJESUS!!!
Expectations.
I don’t know who else you think they’d give us, but it’s probably just a pitching prospect. Rosenthal says at least one other, so maybe two prospects.
Something better
than Dewitt, who was about to get demoted to AAA before these rumors heated up.
DEJESUS!!!
Well, I hope you like crappy trades, because I've got news for you!
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Ken Rosenthal: http://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/20007000157
Source: #Dodgers still trying to make Lilly/Theriot deal work. DeWitt would go to #Cubs if it happens, along with at least one other. #MLB
This deal sounds sucky…just keep him. I’m not too fond of DeWitt and one other just sounds bad..
We need one aggregate trade thread
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2010/7/31/1598073/dbacks-offering-kelly-johnson-for now has all sorts of sources reporting this as imminent.
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