Cubs Relievers Help Rockies Set Major League Record In 17-2 Destruction
by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2010 7:30 AM CDT
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PrintIt was announced yesterday that Lou Piniella would miss games Saturday, Sunday and Monday:
Chicago Cubs manager Lou Piniella will leave the team after Friday's game to head to Tampa, Fla., to attend the funeral of his uncle, Joe Magadan.
Piniella also said he was going to check in on his 90-year-old mother who is also ill.
Magadan was 92.
So for those complaining that he shouldn't do this (yes, I'm looking at you, Jessica), shame on you. Incidentally, if that last name sounds familiar, it should; Joe Magadan's son Dave, who is Lou's first cousin, had a 16-year major league career, played for the Cubs in 1996, and is currently the Red Sox' batting coach. Here is Joe Magadan's obituary.
From Lou's standpoint, he probably wishes he had skipped last night's 17-2 head-shaking loss to the Rockies, too.
The Cubs had actually made a game of it, sneaking to within 5-2 after seven innings -- and if you've seen enough games at Coors Field, you know that's not an insurmountable lead.
Three Cubs relievers, including the normally-reliable Sean Marshall (whose ERA jumped from 1.71 to 2.53 last night), gave the Rockies 12 runs in that eighth inning. Here, have some synonyms for "disastrous":
adverse, calamitous, cataclysmal, cataclysmic, catastrophic, destructive, devastating, dire, distressing, dreadful, fatal, fateful, hapless, harmful, ill-fated, ill-starred, luckless, ruinous, terrible, tragic, unfavorable, unfortunate, unlucky, unpropitious, untoward
The Rockies, at one point, had a major league record 11 consecutive hits. They batted around... twice, sending 18 men to the plate. The Cubs had four hits all night; Carlos Gonzalez had four by himself, including two in that inning. All the runs scored after two were out. The last time the Cubs gave up a 12-run inning was September 24, 1985 to the Expos at Wrigley Field; future Cub Andre Dawson hit two home runs in that inning, and yet the Cubs, trailing 15-2 after that 12-run frame (the fifth), nearly came back to win that game, scoring 12 runs in the last three innings and bringing the tying run to the plate in the last of the ninth.
Not so last night. You can't even blame pitchers who should be in the minor leagues or who "aren't ready" -- Andrew Cashner, who's been pretty good up to now, gave up six hits and all the runners scored; he didn't get anyone out and his ERA jumped to 6.76. Brian Schlitter, who probably shouldn't be in the major leagues, ended the carnage, but not until he had given up a pair of hits and two walks.
As of now, the Cubs have not made any deals and the overnight rumor mill includes a mention here from Ken Rosenthal that the Astros are now open to trading Brett Myers. That might push Ted Lilly down the "desired" list. You can use this thread to discuss any trade rumors before 3 pm CDT, which is the official deadline (though some deals could actually be announced after that, once official paperwork is filed on deadline trades). If the Cubs make an actual deal, I'll start a fresh thread on the front page.
In the meantime, laugh off last night's loss. What else can you do?
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Wow. Just wow.
Glad I missed this carnage.
Oh, and ‘first’, for what it’s worth…
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
I shut it off and went to bed
(a bit disgusted I might add) when it was 5-2. Couldn’t sleep, turned it on and it was 15-2 and just laughed. Like Al says “What else can you do?”
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
Yep. I missed it completely. I was at a walk off win
at our local minor league park. Exciting! And cheap! In fact, I got PAID to be there… ;)
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
It WAS! And then there were post game fireworks.
So all in all, a much better experience.
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
That reminds me.
We are planning to go to a vintage game in August with 1860’s rules, etc. I’ve been to one a few years ago. It’s pretty cool.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
Nice! Wear a big hat and take a parasol.
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
A baseball game with 1860s rules?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes.
There are groups that stage games like this in various parts of the country.
Here’s a link to one such group.
And BTW, if you are referring to the game in its mid 19th century incarnation, you should properly call it “base ball” — it was known by two words well into the early 20th century.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I played this style of ball for three years
In the very active Ohio chapter. It was great fun. My base ball nickname was “Tagalong” because my oldest son, who was a toddler, would come to practice with me. He’s now going off to college (sniffle)…
No mitts. The first couple of innings, a new ball was pretty hard.
Somebody take Aramis' bat off the restricted list, please.
Cool
and my “baby” is about to start college too so I know what you mean.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 31, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I see one positive thing happened yesterday:
Bob Howry was released.
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
According to this article, Howry will retire:
The Cubs said reliever Bob Howry would retire after being released Friday to make room for Zambrano. He was 1-3 with a 7.71 earned-run average in 2010, and 0-3 with a 5.66 ERA with the Cubs, who picked him up in late May the Diamondbacks released him.
Howry did have two good years as a Cub, 2006 and 2007.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Well, whatever the semantics...
…the result is the same. His locker is available.
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
Yes, no ill will meant.
As “Sam Seaborn” said to two fired White House staffers on “The West Wing”:
“It’s time to write your book now…”
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
How does one get paid to go to a game?
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 31, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm the Lugnuts official scorer.
I get paid to closely watch a baseball game from arguably the best seat in the house.
Kinda nice…unless you get a 3 hour bloodbath like we had Thursday night. Then, not so much.
But last night was fun.
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
I once was the scorer for one of my brother's basketball games.
They routed the team they were playing. Believe me, it didn’t feel good. It felt as if his team was running up the score. No joke.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if the Rockies scorer
got some kind of overtime bonus last night. ( I kid I know it is just one the beat writers)
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 31, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually, no
MLB now uses retired beat writers as scorers; they work for MLB, not the papers. Active beat writers are prohibited from this job.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Minor league teams hire 'whomever'.
I applied for a press box job and was asked to be the official scorer a couple of weeks into the season.
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
PHOTO CAPTION:
“Don’t worry Lou. It’ll all be over in a couple of months…”
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
Hey Al - I'm glad I didn't take your suggestion and buy those Rockpile tickets.
I got to watch the game and the 8th inning Rockies fireworks from the comfort of my couch! Rockies fans hate when 15,000 fans from the opposing team invade Coors Field, so I’m sure they let the Cubs fans hear it. Having said that, Rockies fans think that every pop up to shallow left-center is a 450-foot HR so let’s just leave it at that. Glad I stayed home!
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
But you would have seen a major league record set!
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Actually, I would have liked to see it in person Al.
Perverse pleasure, I know, but hey: at some point you appreciate the history of what you are witnessing.
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
I once saw a Lugnuts-Peoria playoff game in 2002
where the Chiefs scored 11 runs in the top of the 9th to erase a 10 run Lugnuts’ lead.
The Chiefs won the game and the Midwest league Championship and I stood and applauded to the bewilderment of the few remaining fans around me.
One asked: “Are you a Peoria fan?” assuming I was. I said, “No. I’m a BASEBALL fan”.
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
by Zeke on Jul 31, 2010 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't know that I would have stood and applauded.
But I would have appreciated the event.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Well, I was applauding as the Chiefs celebrated
their championship on the field. It seemed appropriate and the proper thing to do at the moment.
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
Know what you mean.
as frustrating as it was, there were a couple catches they made against us last night that I couldn’t help but want to tip my cap and say wow, nice play.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
Agreed.
Real baseball fans appreciate good plays made by anyone in a game, even against the team they are rooting for, and appreciate the history of the game, even if it goes against their team.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
With a few notable exceptions...
(cough) 2003 NLCS Game 6 (cough)
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
Baseball stories are a huge part of the fun of baseball.
Reliving the horrors as well as all the great time! We’ll be talking about this one for years. And when the story of this season is told this game will be rehashed as a turning point in a year when hope turned to disappointment to denial to depression to anger to derision.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Jul 31, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Probably already there for many.
Followed by divorce.
One of Lee Elia's 15%
by waiting4cubs on Jul 31, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I will say I really loved the ballpark when I visited Denver a few years ago.
Very well constructed and nice sight lines. I especially loved the row of purple seats in the upper deck at the ‘mile high’ delineation. Nothing like looking at a rainstorm roll over the mountains way off in the distance while surveying a baseball game going on down on the field. Nice.
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
Agreed on the great sight lines at Coors
And the foot long Rockie Dogs are among the best in baseball. Much better than the crappy Dodger Dogs.
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
Coors Field is a fine stadium
the area around the ballpark is pretty cool, too.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Planning a 2011 trip
to Denver to see the Cubs . Any hints on lodging ?? We are taking the train from East Lansing .
I was there...
And yes indeed they were all giving as much grief as they could last night. The sad thing is I just started laughing about midway through Cashner getting shelled. I wanted to leave but it was like watching a train wreck…I just couldn’t pull myself away.
You will never move forward by looking back....
by By Santo's Grace on Jul 31, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Me too!
I always get tickets when the Cubs come to town…I was completely speechless. I saw the 9 run walk off earlier this year the Rox did vs. St. Louis (much more fun, by the way) Like Al said in the recap, moral of the story: you never can tell with Coors Field.
by Denver Cubs on Jul 31, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I live in Denver...
But I just can’t bring myself to go see them. It’s so sad this year.
Go ahead, flame me. I am just so bummed by how poorly they’ve played.
IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!
by Cubfansince1957 on Jul 31, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
That debacle got us wondering-
what is the major league record for most batters in a half inning? Anyone know or know where I can try to find out?
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
I believe this game holds the record.
On June 18, 1953, the Red Sox scored 17 runs in the 7th inning against the Tigers. 23 men batted in the inning. That is the modern MLB record (post-1900) for runs in an inning, and that’s the max # of batters you can have with that many runs (three outs and they left the bases loaded).
The Cubs also scored 17 runs in the 7th inning vs. the Braves on July 14, 1908, but baseball-reference does not have the PBP of that game, so I don’t know how many batters hit in that inning.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Thanks.
My husband was closer with his guess of 18, than my silly guess of 32. :)
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
32?
Don’t make this any worse than it already is.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions
i shut
it off at 5-2. very good move as it turns out.looks like we forgot how to hit again after scoring what maybe 4 runs in the last 3 games? and we were complaining about a 2nd place finish last year. this year has been horrendous with what looked like a better team. we can get a preview this weekend with trammell running the team.
R.I.P.
2010 CUBS
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Jul 31, 2010 8:11 AM CDT reply actions
Reminds me of a quote for "people" with bad life-styles:
Born: 1975, Died: 1996 Buried: 2047
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
I went to bed when it was 9-2.
Turns out I didn’t miss much. SIGH
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 8:16 AM CDT reply actions
I turned the TV over to the kids so they could watch "iCarly" at the same time
Little did I know at the time that a dumb sitcom for kids would be less painful to watch than baseball.
"I knew there had to be a place where the game could be fun again. I found that place. It's called Wrigley Field. It reminded that if you love the game, it will love you back." - Andre Dawson, HOF speech 7/25/10
I want the Cubs to piss trades today.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Ouch.
And I though passing a kidney stone hurt…
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
Yep
Tough to deal with my Sox fan brother-in-law. One team in buy mode, making a run at the playoffs; and one team meagerly looking to shed payroll and pick up prospects.
Sad, sad state of affairs.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Prospects and/or players that the trade partner team doesn't think are good enough to keep.
Just TRY to keep your heads up, Cubs fans. It’s getting tough. Year after year, the misery is compounded.
All ya can do is laugh it off.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure
why Theriot and Lilly aren’t gone by now. Get whatever you can for them.
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
Why aren't they gone?
Many reasons. The Cubs don’t want to eat salary — part of the reason they’re being offered is salary relief.
Also, you don’t “get whatever you can”. You make a deal that gets something good for your team. Maybe there isn’t anything. If you just dump players, you’re the Pirates.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yup
For example, the Cubs aren’t in the business of subsidizing or helping out the Dodgers for free. If they’re trading Lilly, they need value back, not the pleasure of paying his full freight while he pitches in a pennant race for a team that has beaten them in the playoffs recently.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
No
I mean without giving/eating/or subsidizing to a certain extent. What happened to the deal with Detroit?
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
Perhaps this isn't the year
to make comparisons between us and the Pirates.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Not if whatever you get is crap, though
In Theriot’s case, crappier crap.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Jim Hendry...JIM HENDRY! Are you in there? Wake up!
"Don't shed any tears. You think about this: Here I am, the grandson of a slave. And here the whole world was excited about whether I was going into the Hall of Fame or not. We've come a long ways." BUCK O'NEIL
by HotDogDude on Jul 31, 2010 8:35 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Really, that's uncalled for.
Because Hendry hasn’t made a trade exactly when you want him to, you think he’s not trying to make one?
Further, he shouldn’t make a deal just to do it. It should be one that, you know, actually benefits the Cubs.
I will be very glad when this day is over.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
+1
I especially agree with what you say about making a deal.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
And if he doesn't make a deal, so what?
We have Lilly for two more months.
"I knew there had to be a place where the game could be fun again. I found that place. It's called Wrigley Field. It reminded that if you love the game, it will love you back." - Andre Dawson, HOF speech 7/25/10
To help us achieve... what?
And just to lose him at the end of the year with no return. Awesome.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2010 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions
If we don't trade him
we’d better offer arbitration.
Ultimately that will happen if he isn't gone by the end of the day
"I knew there had to be a place where the game could be fun again. I found that place. It's called Wrigley Field. It reminded that if you love the game, it will love you back." - Andre Dawson, HOF speech 7/25/10
Today won't be the end of the speculation
Most of the Cubs’ big $ guys would almost certainly clear waivers – or if claimed the Cubs would ship them off with deep gratitude to the claiming team. So this will keep up until the end of next month.
Then there is the hot stove season……
Right.
Which means the big money guys won’t be claimed. If anyone is claimed in August it’ll be someone like Nady.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Now Nady ought to be moved today if there is any interest in him
He is really not worth anything in the lineup for the Cubs and anything the team gets beyond salary relief is a net + vs. a waiver claim next month.
I'd be shocked
if he was able to make even a par trade at this point. Even if it were for a PTBNL or prospects, we may not know for a while it a deal will be of benefit to the Cubs.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
uncalled for?
It’s not like he called him a name
by HuskerCorner on Jul 31, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Jon Heyman tweet...
#mets offered ollie perez and luis castillo for carlos zambrano but #cubs didnt want castillo, too.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Interesting.
Tweet from SI’s Jon Heyman:
#mets offered ollie perez and luis castillo for carlos zambrano but #cubs didnt want castillo, too.
Depending on the money involved here, I’d have done this deal. Castillo’s contract is expiring. If the Cubs had to eat a lot of $ in this proposed deal, I wouldn’t have done it either.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Cubbiegoon beat you, lol.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
This works only if the Mets take all the salary
and the Cubs release Perez & Castillo since neither is worth keeping. FYI don’t forget folks Perez is a much bigger head
case than Z.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 31, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Perez is a much bigger head case than Z.
That simply is not possible.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
ha!
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
This a guy who refused a minor league assisgment
And forced the Mets to keep him on the roster and not play him. He is one of the most arrogant and selfish players I have ever seen. He may not be as “explosive” as Z but he is worse.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 31, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Have to agrewe with this....
… Perez may not be as volatile as Zambrano, but he’s as much of a pain in the ass as Perez is. Sort of like “same, but different”. It’s better to deal with the devil you know versus the devil you don’t know, and here, if this is the deal, better to keep Zambrano. It would be nice not to continue the trend of exchanging one bad guy for another, even though the Bradley for Silva trade has worked out great for the Cubs.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Agrewe? Let's try agree
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
But by taking the Mets' devil, the Cubs would pick up $18M in 2012
Less any $$$ shipped to the Mets. For $18M, it may be worth a deal with Old Scratch.
BTW, in contrast to some statements on BCB, Cot’s claims that Castillo is owed $6M for 2011.
Me personally.....
… I can wait to see if a better deal comes along than wait until 2012. I get what you’re saying, but there could be other (suckers) out there.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
But maybe those future suckers would also take Perez and some $$$$
After all, he is left handed………
And there is one born every minute – actually more often with the population increases since the mid-19th century.
I'd be willing to bet
the Cubs would have to eat most of that money.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Al's a copy moose
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
i would have done it either way.
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
It will be interesting to see what Trammel does
If he really feels free enough to put in his own lineup and run it his own way, that could be a preview of how he would manage. I hope he does – this team needs shaking up and the front office needs as many data points as possible before deciding on manager for 2011. I loved Sandberg as a player and he remains a class act, but what I really want from the next manager is the guy best equipped to help the team WIN. If that is Trammel, let it be Trammel.
My guess is Lou leaves him with the line ups
but in game stuff is up to him.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 31, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Two games in Colorado,
But who’s the game on Monday against?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
And if Trammel doesn't tear up those lineups immediately, he definitely is not the right guy for 2011
Even if he later uses the same orders for his own reasons. It’s not like he hasn’t managed before and has to follow Lou’s every lead. And if he changes the order and Piniella gets mad, so what? It’s not like Lou isn’t a short timer – Trammel needs to have his own identity for whatever he does in 2011.
One of the themes for next year will be “do something different.” Trammel should start the new theme now. And if Lou gets so mad he doesn’t come back, enjoy Florida, big guy…….
"do something different"
Next years big marketing campaign? :)
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Jul 31, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions
With the follow-on line
“It couldn’t possibly end up worse.”
by ClarkFan on Jul 31, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What?
Lou’s the manager. He’s not being replaced. Alan Trammell is the bench coach. He’ll do what his manager asks, other than specific in-game situations.
“Tearing up the lineups” would be insubordination.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Lee has been terrible
On top of it, it sure seems like he’s not really interested in playing or winning at this point.
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
Your posts have been terrible this year
On top of it, it sure seems like you’re not really interested in bringing anything worthwhile to the table.
Need a lineup equipped to win
IMHO. Win now comes at a price. We are seeing this now. Unless you are the Yanks and use a totally different deck of cards money will be lost, fan base will be let down, and the transition back to a balanced player turnover rate will hurt.
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Jul 31, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Remember back in 2004...
when everyone was so excited to see what Hendry was going to do? Whether or not he’d be able to land Nomar Garciaparra? God I miss that feeling. Too bad that he has ran this team into the ground and now the only “excitement” is whether or not Ryan Theriot will be dealt.
Oh please
All that excitement over Nomar and how did that work out?
Hendry has made some good moves and some moves that didn’t work out, but to say he’s run it into the ground is just not accurate. Many were clamoring for Soriano. He got it done. Same for Fukudome. Hendry has nothing to do with Lee suddenly growing old this year, or the fact Lee won’t accept a trade. Many people were happy he signed Zambrano long term. Last I saw, it’s not Hendry missing the cut off man, hit and run signs, or grooving pitches down the middle of the plate. It’s been veterans who should know better.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
The devil is in the details
Most everyone wanted Soriano. Many of us felt The amount of the contract and particularly, the length, was excessive. Same goes for numerous other contracts.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Really?
He hasn’t run the team into the ground? Have you checked the standings lately? We’re, what, 11 games back? With the highest payroll in the league.
Yes he has. He absolutely has.
The fact that you think EVERYONE is somehow blameless for this mess still baffles me
by HuskerCorner on Jul 31, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
You know what's sad??? This record would be a bit more appropriate if I (or any 14 year old)
was pitching, not Marshall, Cashner, or Schlitter. Hey, maybe I would have given up 20 straight hits, or maybe 7. Oh well, I hope that Lilly’s traded, he deserves MUCH better.
by braziliancubsfan on Jul 31, 2010 8:51 AM CDT reply actions
it is now officially embarrassing to call oneself a Cubs Fan
Mr. Ricketts did a lot of talking, yet I’ve seen zero action. Is he waiting for the Batboy to fix this tragic mess? Lou has “given up”, Jim H is effeet (but too foolish/greedy to step down), Larry R has shown he’s incapable of coming anything more than “close”… so many problems, on so many levels… 2011 won’t be much, if any better.
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
What the hell does "efeet" mean?
If you meant effete, I hardly think that is an apt term to describe Jim Hendry.
by JSB on Jul 31, 2010 9:10 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
"useless"
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
My typo-poor memory
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
This post has so many problems on so many levels...
Honestly, why do people think they know what is going on behind closed doors? You don’t know Ricketts, Hendry, or Rothschild personally, so don’t call them foolish, greedy, or incapable.
I can really only assume comments like these come from some of the younger posters here, but they show an obvious lack of understanding.
by bdlugz on Jul 31, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of course, you're right
Sadly, I can only form opinions on what I see. 97 wins, to this. Last Series win vs Cards. Last sweep vs AZ. Last 4 game win streak, May. 1-4 in last 5…like I say, only what I see. At 51, I’m pretty sure I’ve seen enough.
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
So walk away if you're that upset at the team.
Going on calling out people you don’t know for things that most likely aren’t correct is not the answer to the problems on this 2010 team.
enlighten me?
in your opinion, what are the answers?
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
I dont claim to have the answers, and I don't claim to know the people in the Cubs organization.
That’s the problem with so many people here – you’re making random suggestions and judgements on 10 second sound bytes and what the media reports.
You think Ricketts doesn’t care? He just spent close to a billion dollars on a franchise that he is also a fan of. You think that if Lou really didn’t care, or if Hendry was greedy or only out for himself that they’d still be around and have the owners backing?
Your problem is you think you have the answers when you clearly don’t.
And, as I'm predicting that next year, we'd be lucky to finish 2nd
what will your prediction be? Again, so many problems, one offseason will not fix it. Espescially, with Jim H “running the show”. there is no short term fix for what ails this organization (IMHO)
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
This is correct, there are no short term fixes.
So throwing everything out the window right now is NOT the answer.
It seems that if you don't know what will work
that you can’t know what won’t
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
There are logical steps to solving a problem in a business.
And if a business is in a bad spot, the answer is NOT to replace every C level employee. You figure out the first move that will make the biggest impact and make that move only. From there, you determine what needs to be done moving forward.
In the case of the Cubs, Lou made that decision for the Cubs – he is retiring after this year. The Cubs answer is not to replace the manager, the GM (and most likely with him most of the front office, including Tim Wilken) and President. Unfortunately, it seems that a lot of people are calling for exactly that.
Successful businesses have successful leadership
From Jim Hendry’s mismanagement of hundred’s of millions of dollars to Lou’s inability to know what to do, the business needs new and better leaders. Now, not after their contracts expire.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Unless you were in the meetings where the Trib told Hendry what to do
You can’t know what happened.
Unless you fail to notice our record this year
you must acknowledge that the 2010 Cubs are terrible. I do know who assembled the team. I do know who agreed to the contracts and I do know where the buck stops. That’s enough for me to make judgment unless you know what happened.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Huh?
This comment makes no sense. Either Hendry is a puppet of the Tribune and built this crappy roster with overpriced contracts, or he did it himself.
Either way, he isn’t competent
by HuskerCorner on Jul 31, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
That's your only comeback?
Just because fans are fed up and voice their opinions on here through harsh criticism, it doesn’t mean they’re not fans or want to walk away from “it.” There are two kinds of people on here- people who see it for what it is, and others who think there’s still a bright side to all this carnage. Just remember, not everyone reacts the same way as you do.
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
To quote David Byrne,
Stop Making Sense
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
You've clearly mistaken my viewpoint, but I wouldn't expect much less.
I don’t think there is any bright spot this year, but my reaction to that is clearly different than calling people in the Cubs organization names or claiming they’re bad people.
Where exactly did Jeff claim anyone was a bad person?
I must have missed it.
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
He called Hendry "foolish" and "greedy" for starters
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
I wouldn't disagree
but I fail to see the connection between being “foolish” and “greedy” and being a bad person. I’ll give you the latter I suppose; someone could be considered greedy about how they make a bunch of money, but at the same time be a philanthropist as well.
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
You nail here precisely
Every single word of your post is what I think every time I read BCB most days anymore.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
I'm waiting for a "second opinion"... bdlugz'
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
You need to back up your conclusions with some evidence
Other than to say “you base it on what you see”. bdlugz doesn’t need to finish your thought for you, you do. Where’s your proof? What do you have to say Rothschild is incapable? How has Piniella given up? What has he done or said? Same for your puzzling comment on Hendry.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
In my opinion,
Hearing Lou say “Gosh, look fellas, what do ya want me to do?” for the 50th time means he is “lost”. Larry has yet to produce an NL Pennant. Close? yes. In our hands? No. Hendry hasn’t done anything since Byrd and getting rid of Bradley (his error in first place), the deal for Byrd was offset by his foolish gamble on Howry. who didn’t see the release coming? Toss in Nady ("The X Man), Fuke, Z, Demp (sad one there) and now losing Lilly (perhaps?).
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
As was asked elsewhere recently
What WOULD you have Piniella do? Again, like Hendry, he’s not out there getting called third strikes on checked swings or first pitch swinging or trying to be cute with a breaking pitch when the pitcher has a 98 mph fastball with movement. You can only coach and tell these players so much and if they have rocks in their head, again, what else would you have them all do? And don’t say move the players elsewhere, because the players refuse to go and/or no else wants them.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Beercub (no offense)
exactly who hired these players?
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
What's with the no offense crap?
I ask for evidence and you’re offended. Okay…………..
Name a player that was “hired” you disagreed with at the time. Name a player that you honestly said when he acquired via trade, free agency or brought up through the system, that you felt was going to fail from the outset. See, it’s that “evidence” thing.
Most of these players the Cubs have now were well regarded when they came aboard. That they have crapped out in many instances is not necessarily the fault of the management.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jul 31, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bradley, Howry, Nady.
that “evidence thing”?
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Heh
How has Bradley affected this year’s team? Well, quite positively, actually, he yielded Silva.
Howry was brought on as a veteran presence when the team needed such a type in the bullpen. The team’s season was already in the tank. Moreover, Howry is now gone, and he had nothing to do with them being where they are in the standings anyway.
When Nady was signed, most here hailed it as a good veteran move to deepen the bench. The guy could flat out hit. He’s a prime example of what I’m saying elsewhere. Suddenly he’s getting called on check swings and called strikes. Hendry was supposed to be that prescient?
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
The Bradley trade
Added major salary in the long run, no? Milton overpaid… Silva has yet to prove he’s the real deal @ 9million, no?
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Bradley is gone, remember?
Silva hasn’t proven himself yet? Much like Piniella, what more would you have Silva do that he hasn’t done? Seriously? At this point of the year, Silva’s been a godsend.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
B-cub
Bradley “forced us” to acquire yet another, non-ace pitcher @ 9million/yr. Z at 18mill, Demp, 12mill, Fuke, 12mill, Sori 18mill, heck, some entire teams get better results with that payroll alone. I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree, eh?
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
So.....
Then at the time, as I’ve asked you elsewhere, you disagreed with every single one of those signings you reference here or, are you now using the ebenfot of 20/20 hindsight?
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
I had "distant hopes" for Nady
The other two, yes, disagreed.
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Oops,
I thought you were talking about Bradley, Howry, Nady post! To address THIS question: Yes, hated Z contract, thought Demp overpaid 4mill/yr, thought Fuke overpaid for an “unknown MLB player” (by dbl), gotta admit, was thrilled to death by Sori signing… but- noy MY job to evaluate players/money/contract yrs… Jim Hendreys. peace
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
I did not state that
I merely blamed Jim H for the trade in the first place
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Oh really?
Where did I ever say that?
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Earlier as in a bit ago,
not earlier on this. ⇓↓⇓↓ Down that direction, where you and others claim attitudes have no effect on other players… (paraphrasing of course…)
Specifically..
… quote me on Bradley.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Sorry
Beercub has my testosterone up! :] He has twice ignored my requests for his proposed solution, i guess he’s busier questioning my thinking?
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Here's the best part...
… I’m not suggesting there ARE any solutions. You’ve been asked to back up your assertions. I’m not going to make your argument for you.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Please see my post below?
Good Day Sir.
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
If we had not put out $30M
for Bradley, we could have obtained Silva for cheap dollars. So, in the end, Hendry did overpay for Silva.
As for Nady, we knew he was damaged goods yet JH signed him. His year here has been very unproductive.
As for Howry, I fail to see any rationalization for his signing. Arizona of all teams cut him because of his 1.67 WHIP. Was it any shock he had a subsequent 1.74 WHIP with us? As for his veteran presence improving the team, can you cite any evidence?
Add to the above bad moves, the Grabow deal and Samardzija’s contract. How about the memorable highlites of guys like Miles, Gathright, Tracey, Taguchi. Freel. Fox. Patton and Cotts.
In the end, JH had monopoly money to play with and look at what we have on the field now. True that players have bad games and miss the cutoff man. But a GM who manages to have as many dollars as Jim had and ends up with a mess that is the 2010 Cubs does not have my support.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
The Cubs never had any interest in Silva
He was the bad contract return for Bradley.
If the Cubs had never signed Bradley, Silva would not be a Cub.
And you can actually take the Bradley issue back to Dome. If Kosuke works out, Bradley is never a Cub.
As for a couple of the other moves, you are either overstating importance or benefiting from 20/20 hindsight.
MANY people thought it was a good idea to “buy” Shark away from football. I never liked him as a prospect, but I was in the minority. Even though it doesn’t look like it worked out, Shark wasn’t a bad risk.
Grabow: an obvious overpayment. But there are two mitigating factors… first, he was always at least an average reliever. Even if it isn’t the best use of resources, those are valuable. He’s been hurt almost the entire year. There’s little reason to think that, if healthy, he won’t be an average (and therefore useful, though certainly overpaid) reliever. Second, basically EVERYONE was clamoring for a “veteran reliever”. So if not Grabow… go back and look at the FA relievers. Only Capps has really been effective… and he chose WSH over the Cubs so he could close.
Miles was…. a terrible, terrible idea.
Gathright was pointless… since Pie could do all the things Gathright was signed to do for cheaper. But here’s a case where you’re overstating importance. It was $1M instead of ~$500K. It certainly all adds up, but there’s no way you’ll find a GM who hasn’t made a $500K mistake.
Tracey was signed as a minor league FA. He cost the Cubs essentially nothing.
Taguchi: ditto.
Freel: was acquired for Gathright and cash considerations… so he was basically free. Can’t hold it against Hendry for not turning Gathright into a gold nugget. He traded a turd for a turd.
Fox: what did Hendry do wrong with Fox?
Patton was a pointless chance… but his lack of success is almost as much on Lou as anything. How is a guy supposed to develop pitching twice a month?
Cotts: for all intents and purposes, see Grabow.
Your conclusion is correct… and I am not a supporter of Hendry. I just think you’re overstating the importance of some examples.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
If you rightly acknowledge that Silva
would not be here if JH had not screwed up on Bradley, then you can’t credit Jim for acquiring Silva. That was my point.
As for Samardzija. other than notre Dame fans, tell me one person who thought his price and contract terms were appropriate.
The others mentioned, sure they are small pieces of the puzzle, but added together they reflect the inability of our GM to assemble a team based upon a vision. Both Lou and Jim react to problems rather than proactively try to assemble players that fit their vision.
Even today Lou acknowledges the team is built on the long ball. Since the wind blows in 56% of the time and out 28% and we only play half of our games at Wrigley, is it any wonder why that vision is flawed?
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
I said I didn't support Hendry
But you HAVE to give him credit for turning a toxic player like MB into something useful, even if he is very overpaid.
Shark was widely thought of as a 2nd round pick that would have to be bought out of football. He was on various “All America” teams. And in 2008 as Shark was helping the Cubs make the playoffs, the investment looked well worth it.
The problem with your collection of “small pieces” is it doesn’t include anything Hendry did right (acquiring Gorz, signing DeRo, signing Byrd, signing Dempster, signing Lilly, hiring Tim Wilkin).
Jim’s biggest issue is bowing to his manager instead of having his own vision.
Again – I don’t support the retention of Hendry. The balance of his efforts have been a net loss and led to troubles. However, he is nowhere as bad as some people think.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
I didn't give credit to Castro
for driving in Theriot when his infield fly dropped between players and i don’t credit Hendry for acquiring Silva. It was just plain dumb luck. Hendry didn’t see a hidden value to Silva. What he saw was the departure of Bradley, same as Seattle saw with the departure of Silva.
And Samardzija was too unpolished to suggest 2nd round possibilities. Hendry was a close friend of ND coach Paul Mainieri. He had drafted ND pitcher Grant Johnson in the 2004 draft. Both players went for well over slot money and Shark’s deal was outrageous. Recall that he blew 3 out of 4 save chances that year and guys ran on him every opportunity. IMHO. his 1.41 WHIP wasn’t a big help making the playoffs. I’d prefer to attribute the offense that year.
But you are correct, I only mentioned the poor choices by Hendry and he did make some positive moves. But, hey, he had mad money to spend. I’m of the opinion he did it very poorly. To me, that’s reason to dismiss him at season’s end rather than wait until his contract is over.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
You don’t know what Hendry did or didn’t see in Silva. Certainly the driving force was getting rid of MB. But there were some of us who thought Silva could be a viable 5th starter again. Did the Cubs get “lucky”, too? Sure. But only Hendry and other organization “insiders” know for sure what they thought about Silva.
And Samardzija was too unpolished to suggest 2nd round possibilities.
This suggests a basic misunderstanding of the draft. Polish has very little to do with draft positioning… it is almost solely about “upside” and tools. Shark could throw in the low 90s… and the fact that he hadn’t played that much baseball (i.e., “was unpolished”) actually worked in his favor, because clubs looked at him (and others like him) with what they could be.
As an example… I am an alum of Florida State (hence the spear). Among the Seminoles’ draft choices this year were two juniors.
One was a pitcher with an ERA over 6 who was kicked out of the rotation. The other was an OF/P who was an All-American and the John Olerud two-way national player of the year. Guess where they were drafted?
John Gast (he of the 6+ ERA) was drafted in the 6th round. He is a lefty with a solid pitcher’s build who throws in the low 90s with little stamina and terrible control. But he is projectable.
Mike McGee wasn’t picked until the 41st round… because his physical frame doesn’t project much growth. As a RHP, he tops out at 90 with a decent breaking ball. As an OF, none of his tools stand out.
Picking and paying Shark wasn’t the problem… the “plan” to develop him, along with his own shortcomings, was the problem.
And despite his WHIP, he was serving as a set-up man by the end of the year… so I would say he helped the team get to the playoffs… I never suggested he was the reason they made the playoffs.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
If you were hopeful
on Silva…props to you. Remembering the blog when the trade occurred, you and Silva’s mom were in a vast minority. But if Hendry suggests he thought Silva would be a contributor to the rotation this year, I want him tested for sanity. I still insist we got lucky.
Shark has a good frame, no doubt. But you don’t give a project a roster slot and accelerate his free agency timeline. We’re seeing a very good athlete being tossed into the majors when he has no business there. He was brought to the majors prematurely because Hendry needed to parade his start draft pick in front of the world. Only now is he getting his act together because he’s forced to stay in the minors and earn his way up the ladder.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
When the Silva deal was made... I was with Al.
As people were ripping on Silva, I suggested that there was no reason Silva couldn’t go 8-10 with a 4.60 ERA and average nearly 6 IP a start.
In other words, I thought he could be an average MLB 5th starter. The Cubs certainly got lucky that he has well outperformed even that modest projection.
No argument as to whether Shark was brought up to quickly. But I still understand the “gamble” of giving him the MLB contract. Most teams knew that’s what it would take to keep Shark out of the NFL draft, which is a large part of the reason he fell to the 5th round.
Another factor in the Cubs spending on Shark was that they went “cheap” on Colvin in the 1st round (picking him above his projection) and had no 2nd, 3rd, or 4th round pick. So, in a way, they had money to “burn” and took a risk on a guy they thought had a lot of upside.
I didn’t like it, but I understood why they felt it was a worthy gamble. It certainly is a gamble that, to this point, they lost.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
Shark's
current outings have been very good. I hope he’s developing at least one more quality pitch and some movement on his FB. I’d be happy to apologize about his signing. It’s not like I haven’t been wrong before.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Look, I'm not trying to be a di**,
Just that it is the job of management to evaluate talent. That includes “long-term potential” as long-term contracts have been offered. Were my crew to perform so poorly, I assure you, I wouldn’t have “years” to correct it. I’d be terminated. Not them, me.
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
No one has said you're a dick, or insulted you
You’ve put that label on yourself. You’re getting asked to back things up. Welcome to the real world, I guess.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
In any case
I didn’t know that the “opinion police” worked weekends. If I offended you, no need to attack me. Its obvious this teams in sad shape, isn’t it? I see 2 people questioning MY opinion, but niether has suggested a “fix”, just the fact they “disagree with mine”. That’s the easy part, isn’t it? How about this suggestion? When we’re mid-pack next year, you both apologize? seems fair enough to me… I simply stated that “management is to blame”, in large part, for this season. You gentlemen are welcome to your opinions without my interference. Adios.
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
You don't know how to debate or argue, do you?
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
In your opinion, obviously not
again, who hired players? Batboy? Fans? Me?
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Clearly he posted out of frustration and emotion
No need to rip the guy. We’re not being graded here. At least, I didn’t know we were.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
No one's grading him or any of the sort
If he states a conclusion, where’s the evidence? Easy enough question. If he’s got nothing other than an opinion, then he could say so.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Just as long as we all agree that mere opinions are just fine here
It’s not grad debate 704 here. Supporting facts and arguements aren’t the most importnant things in the world
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I believe I've answered each of the questions asked of me?
I ask again, what do you suggest?
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
I'm not trying to be rude
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Just let them be crabby, dude
You’ll never “win.”
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks "vines"
Up late with the dog, stormed here, lil crabby myself i guess.
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
+1
Amen. There are some whiny little babies here for sure. All they’re looking for is an argument, even if they have to create it out of nothing.
very true
A-well-a Byrd, Byrd, Byrd, well the Byrd is the word.
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It's clearly those that feel they "have" vs. those that supposedly "have not."
All of the “knowledgable” people on here enjoy spending time and energy trying to prove to others that they are, indeed, more schooled in the working of baseball. Aside from Al, I’m not sure anyone here is any more in tune with the Cubs or the game in general than the next.
It’s like hearing, “I’ve been a Cubs fan since (usually a date prior to 1960) – and I know what I’m talking about” or words to that effect. If someone starts out a discussion like that, they should automatically be tuned out. The length of time you’ve been a fan is meaningless. It means you’ve seen more games and can quote more stats.
Similar to those to equate age with wisdom. I know a lot of old fools.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
lostinvines
gotta run, but thanks for your kind words and sound judgement. Have a fantastic weekend! Jeff
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Not judgement, just opinion. To each his own.
You take care, too
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Beercub, again, no offense intended
But this is going nowhere. We seem unable to find any common-ground. It is obvious you “know the cubs”, after 50+ years, I hope I do too. I again state, I’ve answered each and every question asked of me, you Sir, have not. As two individuals, the good thing is, we each get a single opinion, they may differ, but they are “ours” nonetheless. Have a great day. (I’ve other commitments). Jeff
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Man....
…. where you get some of this I have no idea……
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
something happen already
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
I guess what I want to happen today would be
Kelly Johnson at 2nd and Lilly to the Dodgers for above average prospects.
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
The Dodgers......
…. want the Cubs to eat ALL of Lilly’s contract because the Dodgers are flat broke. The Dodgers so far have added Scott Freaking Podsednik for their stretch run. The Dodgers should be sellers because the Dodgers are going to hell in Los Angeles Superior Court when the season is over.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
The Dodgers want the Cubs to eat ALL of Lilly’s contract because the Dodgers are flat broke.
If this is true, Ted Lilly will be starting for the Cubs on Monday at Wrigley Field.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Here in L.A.
It’s reported this morning that the Cubs wanted to include Theriot but the Dodgers said no, and that they wanted the Cubs to give them “salary relief”. “Salary relief” yesterday was defined as eat it all. I see no reason for the Cubs to trade Lilly if they have to eat anything. The Dodgers are also after the Pirates’ Paul Maholm. THAT is more like this year’s Dodgers.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
If that's the deal for Lilly..
…. the Cubs should keep him.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
No way
I agree; no reason to make the deal cause it doesn’t benefit the team in the least.
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
Not necessarily
If the Dodgers want to send one of their top 5 prospect and another top 15 prospect to the Cubs, the Cubs should be willing to “pay the freight” on Lilly.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
Not just any prospect
Baseball America also rates [Dee Gordon] as their number 1 Dodgers prospect, and he ranks number 1 in infield defense, speed, hitting for average, and athleticism.
We’d be trading Lilly for Gordon and Riot for DeWitt, apparently.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Though it isn't a position "of need" in the Cubs system...
…that’s more the kind of return we should be talking about.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
The Dodgers aren't flat broke, their owners are
The Dodgers remain an elite, high-revenue franchise. Which the ninnies who own the other MLB teams allowed to be purchased by no-accounts writing kited checks.
But, yeah, there is no reason for the Cubs to subsidize their divorce action.
Especially since the Cubs have their own debt service to worry about.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Well....
…actually, the Dodgers and the owner are the same at this point. McCourt has leveraged them to the hilt and interwined his own personal finances with the team to the point where the courts can’t figure out where one starts and the other begins. There are liens on the team totalling $390 million to secure financing for homes and other personal purchases of both McCourts. If they sell, the new owners take the team subject to those liens. The Dodgers are paying their salary and debts, but a LOT of that debt has nothing to do with the day to day of the team.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Wonderful - yet another high profile MLB team will hit Chapter 11
As shedding that debt through BK is the only way a new owner will take the club (and there will be a new owner).
I occasionally appear...
….. in the same courthouse where the McCourts’ divorce is being heard. Their case is the prime fodder for attorney type jokes right now. It’s generally agreed that the McCourts are some of the dumbest, most frustrating clients ever to come down the pike in quite a while. Come fall, the case apparently has the potential to get REALLY stupid unless they both come to their senses.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
It seems like "really stupid" is the McCourts' best thing
So it may be an entertaining fall in the courthouse. Being in LA, has a TV producer signed the trial up as a reality show yet?
I'm surprised no one has tried
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Hey Beercub!!!
NOT FAIR! you want me to “debate” an attorney?! c’mon!? :] Have a great day.
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Not for free, he doesn't.
At $150 an hour he’ll argue with a windmill
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey! Hey!
You’re gonna “start it up again”! Pleasure reading your posts and sound “opinions”. seeya soon i hope. Cubbies need 4 of 6 to have any hope of a respectable season, IMHO.
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Government attorney
I enforce child support. I make the same no matter what.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow that's big
Sorry
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Attorney-type jokes?
What’s the only thing dumber and more greedy than Mr. Frank McCourt?
Mr. and Mrs. Frank McCourt!
Something like that? Or does it have more Latin?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
No, you got it about right
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
I really don't see why it matters
If the Cubs keep LIlly they pay all of the money left this year so why does it matter if they pick it up in a trade.
by LouPiniellaIsRetiring on Jul 31, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Well..
… they get value out of Lilly being in the rotation. They could keep him for next year, or get draft picks by offering arbitration. The draft picks might be worth more than anything acquired by trade.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And I recall that those here who follow amateur baseball say the 2011 draft is loaded
If that is true, 1 or 2 early picks could yield some very talented players. This isn’t just about 2010 or even 2011. The Cubs really need to pick up some long-term momentum by loading up their minor league system.
Pleeze draft a good hitter or two
Jedd Gjorko has crushed two of our teams this year. But we still don’t want to draft hitters.
There is no
value to the Cubs in keeping Lilly in the rotation this year.
I tihnk if the Cubs can get some very good prospects, it is well worth continuing to pay Lilly’s salary.
DEJESUS!!!
They better be real solid prospects.
Because there’s at least a decent chance Lilly is a Type A FA… so you need to get a return equal or better to the draft picks if we are paying for Lilly to pitch for LA.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
Said it before and I'll say it again
Kelly Johnson: Do Not Want.
For everybody who complains about how dumb Theriot is, Kelly Johnson is just as dumb, only with power. So instead of weakly grounding out to SS, he strikes out on three straight in the dirt. He also has a knack for coming up with errors at the precise time they can hurt the team the most. A thousand times “No!”
And all y’all Braves fans trying to sell us on Frenchy: We’re really not that dumb. Why would you want him out of your division, anyway?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
But they may both be useless in Chicago in 2011
But obligations to Perez end then while Zambrano is owed $18M in 2012.
Russell and Theriot for Johnson?
I don’t know if I would do this. Johnson is a major upgrade though.
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
with the reds
becoming a very good team there might not be too many 2nd plae finishes in our future.
you're right. The Cards love 3rd place.
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2010 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL Touche
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Cashner
I didn’t see last night’s game or the previous time Cashner got lit up – so I’m asking those of you who watched – why is he being left in to give up so much damage? Being one of the future cornerstones – is leaving him in to get hammered risking blowing out his confidence? It doesn’t seem to me (albeit from just reading the recaps) that Lou is being very careful with Cashner. Any light shed would be most appreciated.
No light shedding ability here
But I did hear Len (I Think) say he was really trying to guide the ball vs throw it. Watching the footage that follows in the dugout and such I would think he was left out there to try and figure it out. Being a blowout and all. Maybe nobody paid his fine and he doesnt want to hit anyone? jk
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Jul 31, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Mystery candidate in Cubs managerial search ..... Len Kasper
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
Have i ever been serious in my life? lol
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
He'd be a good fit though!
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Blake Dewitt or Kelly Johnson?
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
My vote is for 'Meteor Strike'
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Jul 31, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
vines
that an actual AJ quote? If so, waaaay too funny!
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Yeah it is.
Funny shit
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
beyond funny! later...
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Coincidence?
Does anyone really think it just a coincidence that Zambrano gets back in the clubhouse and we give up more runs than just about ever, having one of the worst games ever???
Yeah, it's coincidence
I didn’t see him pitch.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
No link
But I do find it interesting that we bookended opening day and the eve of the trade deadline with some real stinkers.
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Jul 31, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Attitudes have no effect on teammates...
Odd that so many think that the rest of the clubhouse can’t be effected by one individual. Guess you would have had to actually spend time in a locker-room/clubhouse to understand how that ripple effect take control…
Sorry, I just don't think Carlos matters that much anymore.
Not to this team or his teammates. You seem to think the world revolves around him.
The World huh?
Not sure where you get that. He doesn’t matter; too funny. Like that would have any effect on how his actions effect others.
Sean, I once worked with an individual
who I had a “funny feeling about”… was always in the back of my mind, and my partners… always most uncomfortable… odd. About 3 years later, he was arrested under a double-murder charge from another state. Just sayin… sometimes, without any “evidence”, humans just “know”
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
By the way,
He’d committed the murders about 2 1/2 years prior to our encounter. He was convicted.
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
This, of course, explains EVERYTHING
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Beercub
If you “don’t like me”. that’s ok. I can live with that. I made the point, specificallly, that a human beings “nature” can have an effect on our perceptions. You gotta be a Defense Attorney?
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
did I guess wrong???
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
I manage an Audi Service Dept
There, I’ve “leveled the playing field”… you now know what my field of expertise is… I didn’t hide the fact (as you did in asking me to “debate an attny”). .. got a question about your O2 sensor? ECU? Coil recall? or do you intend to see which of us is “sharper witted”? Above, after being asked (repeatedly) for “your solution”, you copped out, and stated “you’re not sure there is one”. Hmmmm…. very insightful… inspiring even…
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Have you "lost your keyboard"?
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
and yes, I consider that a "sarcastic attack"
This, of course, explains EVERYTHING “When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired”. – Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jul 31, 2010 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
What in the world........
…. are you doing here? It would seem you’re having a nice running battle with yourself over I don’t know what. Please, back away.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Sometimes, only sometimes
silence is the loudest sound in the room peace people. enjoy your weekend
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Again, are you a Defense Attorney?
You post a lot of sarcasm, you don’t care for it much though?
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Siiiighhhhhhhhh
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
That, Sir, is not an answer...
But, I’ll take it as a “yes”. Good Day
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Oh Christ
You are without a doubt one of the weirdest posters to come along here. If you have bothered to read IN THIS THREAD, I’m a government child support attorney. It’s RIGHT ABOVE HERE.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Thanks,
I was wrong, but that is an answer.
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
I apologize, but you got me "going pretty good" earlier
ok to suggest a “do-over”?
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Wait a minute
Every single reliever on the Cubs is so weak mentally the mere presence of Zambrano in the clubhouse makes them pitch horribly? Is that what you’re saying?
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
That's what it sounds like he's saying.
Ridiculous.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
What's ridiculous is...
… that you actually think that. What I’m saying is that one player can have an effect on the team; positive or negative. It happens all the time, every day, every night. Anyone who does not understand that has never been a part of any team.
You're right, but Z's return had nothing to do with the shalacking the Cubs got last night.
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So you think it was coincidence.
That’s two votes for coincidence.
+1
LOL! Finally someone actually addresses the subject as opposed to looking for something to lash out at someone else for.
Coincidence.
Of course people have an effect on each other. To maintain that’s the reason the Cubs gave up 12 runs in an inning is, I repeat, ridiculous.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Patently ridiculous
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Completely ridiculous.
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I never maintained that...
I brought up another topic for conversation, and it’s nothing new. To ignore the cause/effect is ridiculous and to continue in the manner you are just signifies your bitchiness.
uh oh....
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And with posts like these....
…. this is where the adults get off.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
TWSS!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
well played!
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Excuse me but I have cornered the market on "bitchiness"
on BCB.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 31, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Many have tried to usurp my title
but none has succeeded. After Lou is gone though I will certainly slack off.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 31, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
It just won't seem the same.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I try but I can only do so much
In any event those pale imitators don’t really count.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 31, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
That is very not true.
If something can be very not true. I don’t think there are degrees of falseness. Something’s false or it’s not.
But I digress…
Resume bitching
;-)
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Of course it was a coincidence.
Z didn’t pitch last night. He didn’t give up the 12 runs.
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I suggest intelligent posters read above...
Yes, there could be an effect… IMHO.
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Clearly it was the departure of veteran presence Howry
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Need to rebuild pen
Big time weakness this year I think contributed to Cubs’ sluggish start. No veteran "bridge’’ to Marmol even tho Marshall and until recently, Cashner developed we really need another dependable, veteran guy in pen to solidify chances to win more tight games.
I look at White Sox’ depth with great envy. Hendry has never been great at building a pen. Saw where Ariz. wanted Russell as part of trade for Kelly Johnson (who is a lefty and upgrade at 2B) but not sure I’d trade Russell. But we definitely need another righty or two down there for 7th inning.
PS What ever happened to Caridad? Season-ending injury or surgery?
Someone take Theriot on a field trip
to DIA today and leave him there. Either that or make him walk back from dia. He wouldn’t make it back from there til next week.
The Cubs have too many "kids" in their pen. They gained experience this year.
But Hendry will have to improve the pen next year.
I love these guys...
but they really suck.
Here’s to 2011…
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I don't even know.
It won’t be D-Lee. I like D-Lee but I don’t think they will re-sign him. Honestly, my best guess at this point would be Hoffpauir unless they 1) trade for another 1st basemen or 2) convert Tyler Colvin to 1st
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I know. I was just suggesting.
I personally think they will/should make a trade. Or re-sign D-Lee to a minimum contract of 1-2 years.
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and I think Hoff is hitting like .250 at Triple-A
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Not bad...
But that’s no replacement for Lee either .250 isn’t going to translate into the Majors very good. We’ll have to trade for a decent 1B…
Not bad? That's definitely bad if you are looking for a starting job in the big leagues.
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Not bad for AAA
but like I said, won’t translate to the Majors. In a perfect World every player is hitting around .300 but that’s nothing more than a pipe-dream for us…
sean, go back up about 20 posts?
read my reply about a “gentleman I worked with”. I think you’ll see that I get your point.
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Plan
What was that 4 hits and 2 walks at Coors Field. Willing to chalkup the bullpen showing as an off night for Marshall, and a AAA bullpen. Cashner was also ill recently. Dempster was also off.
Lee – gone after this season. If there are notions of keeping him on, that has to be axed.
Castro, Colvin, Soto and probalby Byrd very likely keepers
Ramirez, Soriano, Fukudome, and Hill or a like replacement are 4 of 5 backup players for next season.
Need a backup infielder who can play SS. Then fill four of these five positions 1B, 2B, 3B, RF, LF. In a way this should give Hendry some flexibility in filling whatever positions possible from the minor leagues or from players acquired from trade activity.
Pitching strategy would be to focus on getting Zambrano out. That’s great if the Mets want him. They should probably sign a decent reliever too. They can’t go with as many AAA relievers as they have.
Sounds like trying to punish some players. They’ve earned whatever anybody wants to call it.
Ok to send Lou home for the rest of the season. No need to bring-up Ryno who has reponsibilities at AAA. Just have Trammel take-over. It might give a glimpse of what Trammel can do. Maybe Trammel would take AAA next season.
I agree with some of that. But you have your 3rd basemen and left fielder.
They aren’t going anywhere because of their contracts. Besides, although Sori will never be worth what he is paid, he hasn’t been that bad this year.
Soriano
Soriano hasn’t played as well as a major league outfielder should. Just because they are stuck with him doesn’t mean he has to have the playing time.
by AboutTheCubs on Jul 31, 2010 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Caridad?
Why haven’t we heard of him in months? Thought he was gonna be a big piece of bullpen. Got hit, then to DL< then he disappeared. Did I miss something?
DL
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Last I heard
Out for nearly the whole season…
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
DL
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Kinda OT: Can a team trade for a guy at the deadline..
then sign him to a contract right after the trade?
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Some trades ONLY happen that way
Player who has rights refusal only accepts trade if he gets an extension or the team getting agrees to pick up an option which is the same thing.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 31, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
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Bad broadcasters for 200, Alex.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 31, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
For those of us who care
I’m not going to go on a fire this guy tirade. I think we’ve seen enough of that. I’m going to sum up this season and team in only a few words: giant pile of horse manure. I would have used another word, but profanity of that sort isn’t allowed here. I think you all get the message. I’ve seen some pretty awful Cubs teams in my time, but this one has to be reaching the top of that pile. To pay for so much, yet get so little is like finding out that Santa Claus isn’t real. It’s that level of disappointment.
Marlon Byrd, Tyler Colvin, Geovany Soto, Carlos Marmol, and Starlin Castro aren’t good enough to carry a team this awful. Then again, who could? Many of us were happy to say goodbye to Bob Howry and his career, but I held no ill will individually against Bob. I reserve that for the veteran players that actually should be carrying the team and not some washed up middle reliever. I’m talking about you Derrek Lee. You too, Aramis Ramirez. Alfonso Soriano, you’re excused because you are what you are. You’re a streaky, overpaid outfielder. Aramis, I hope it’s just your thumb.
But Lee? What happened to you? You had one of the best seasons of your career last year and now you’ve face planted in dramatic fashion. I can’t blame you for exercising you’re 10-5 rights because if you want to retire a Cub, by all means do so. It’s doubtful that the Cubs would have gotten anything decent for you and the Angels are in free fall anyway. I can’t really say I’ve ever been a big fan because as I remember you saying in 2003, you wanted to make Steve Bartman famous. I haven’t forgotten and thanks for nothing.
Carlos Zambrano? What the heck, buddy? I like your fire and intensity. I think you’re the kind of guy I would want to talk to about random crap over a few beers. But what happened to you that you suddenly can’t pitch anymore? When it rains, it pours. I expected Carlos Silva to be a dud, but your pitching performance has been a real stink bomb. Yikes.
And to the 2010 Cubs, I have a few things to say collectively. Despite the great individual performances of some, you stink as a unit. Nobody likes losing, but you all do it so well that part of me wonders what happened. Two years ago, you were the best team in the National League. Once that series with the Dodgers happened, everything has been going downhill. It’s almost as if you’ve all bought into the Curse of the Billy Goat. And for that reason, this team just stinks worse than goat manure.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Pig manure - this team really has that ammonia sting that brings tears to the eyes.
And you did hit a key point. Most of the moves around the margin have worked out in 2010, but the core of the team that we all assumed would be OK collapsed.
That is what has spawned the “blow up the roster” talk. And that talk has one key point behind it – without strong 3-4 hitters and a real #1 pitcher, a team is not a realistic threat to win the NL, even if it sneaks into the playoffs in a weak division.
correct
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
Full Disclosure
Carlos Zambrano had no role at the Debacle in Denver last night.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
Unless he was sending in the signs from the bullpen to the Rockies
(Ducks and runs before explosion goes off…)
If I spit 1 sunflower seed out
it’s a fastball. 2 seeds is a fat slider…
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Jul 31, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Or.....
…. if I knock over a coler, it’s a change up. If I yell at a teammate, it’s a knuckler. If I punch someone, I don’t know what’s coming next…..
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
It was a mind meld
Or a voodoo hex. So sources say.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
People were waxy in th 60's
And poorly lit
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Rothchild's face
last night was of utter disgust, and sure looked like he was about ready to burst after Cashner failed miserably. It was truly amazing the amount of hits in the gap during that fateful inning. Some of the hits were off pretty good pitchers as well.
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
Ludwick to Padres, Westbrook to Cards, prospects to Indians
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 31, 2010 11:10 AM CDT reply actions
Pads are the real deal right now.
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
really?
Who does this leave on the Cards’ outfield?
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Holiday, Rasmus, Winn, Jay....
Stavinoha set to come off DL tomorrow.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 31, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I guess they figure with Jay hitting the way he has...
… they don’t need Ludwick.
They better hope Jay doesn’t turn into Bo Hart.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Can we get the Cubs TV broadcast piped into the Cubs Dugout?
While frustratingly switching to and from the Cubs game, this is what I heard from Brenly (and I’’m paraphrasing):
Carlos Gonzalez has a slider speed bat and most teams pitch him in close under his hands. Dempster gets 2 strikes on CarGo and throws him a cement-mixer slider over the plate.
Most teams use stick with fastball and change-up at Coors, because breaking pitches don’t break as much here. Marshall keeps trying the big curve, Cashner the slider, etc, and we all know the outcome of the 8th inning.
I think the Cubs pitchers took Thursday off and most of Friday. Maybe until 30 minutes before the game. They either A) didn’t have a game plan or B) decided not to follow it.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
These were exactly my thoughts while watching (during work) last night
The thin air does nothing for breaking pitches.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I flipped to the news and flipped back at a commercial
Even my wife was amazed that the 8th inning still wasn’t over.
I watch Marshall that inning and I realize that FIP is useless. Marshall strikes out 2 and gives up 5 earned runs without a home run or a walk. Those 5 hits were just bad luck.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Jul 31, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Try BABIP next time :P
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
all those issues regarding preparation
fall squarely on Lou “given up” Pinella. It is his job to prepare this team and he fails everyday.
The 2010 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp ruled!!!!
White Sox reportedly making a run @ Manny
Not sure the fans will appreciate the lazy play, etc.
"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
by lostinthevines on Jul 31, 2010 11:23 AM CDT reply actions
Tho I don't "hate" the Sox...
They deserve Manny! :]
on the sands of hesitation, lie the bones of countless millions, who, at the brink of the best, sat down to rest, and resting...they died. Author Unknown
MADE a run.....
The White Sox offered $1 million and no players, according to a source familiar with the negotiations.
Thought they could steal him for nothing…..
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 31, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
If this happens...
… Manny would DH for them, not play the field.
Not likely to happen anyway.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Oh goodie Cubs all over the internet
This was actually the top story on Yahoo news ( the one they have a photo of , that is not hard news story)
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 31, 2010 11:32 AM CDT reply actions
Hey, as TJ would say: Let's put our faith in Lou! That was just some bad luck last night.
Today is another day! We all should have faith in our team, our manager, and our street-smart General Manager!!!!
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
Lou should stay in Tampa
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
I am to run errands
I expect Ted Lilly to still be here when I get back.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 31, 2010 12:07 PM CDT reply actions
Before the announcement I went to the grocery store.
Saw a kid wearing a Dodgers shirt (which is strange-this is not a Dodger area) and I just “knew” that he was traded. Came home and sure enough. It was pretty weird.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
Bruce Levine – Cubs and Dodgers moving toward deal for Lilly & Theriot that would net prospects & Blake DeWitt. Levine added, if Dodgers’ deal does not happen, Lilly to Yankees remains an option. Three to four teams interested in Ryan Theriot.
by LouPiniellaIsRetiring on Jul 31, 2010 12:19 PM CDT reply actions
His baseball IQ is higher than that of Theriot, so that's a plus.
But still….
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
That's like saying he's thinner than JaMarcus Russell
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Jul 31, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather have a piece of paper that has "Poopy"...
written on it, than to have Theriot at 2b for the rest of the season.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
From Levine:
Cubs front office has had discussions about moving Tyler Colvin to first base next season.
by LouPiniellaIsRetiring on Jul 31, 2010 12:45 PM CDT reply actions
I guess that means
Fukudome would go back to being the starting right fielder again.
Sigh.
Just wait until (the year after) next year!
DEJESUS!!!
Unless they think Jackson might be ready
Or they could still deal Dome and pick up another OF in the short-term.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
GODDAMNITSOMUCH!
Can we please, please, please get Jim Hendry the fuck out of Chicago?
Colvin is young and is above average defensively in the outfield. Why the hell do you downgrade a good young player like that? Holy crap I hates me some Hendry
by HuskerCorner on Jul 31, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
From Twitter
Ted Lilly and Ryan Theriot about to be traded to the Dodgers for Blake de Witt and minor leaguers.
15 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
I hope
the minor leaguers are pretty great, because Blake Dewitt has about as much value as Izturis did when he came over in the Maddux deal, and Lilly/Theriot plus cash has a lot more value than Maddux did at that point.
DEJESUS!!!
DeWitt has far more value than Izturis did.
For one, he’s two years younger now than Izturis was then. Second, he’s just a better player.
But I do agree with you that the Cubs have to get more than just DeWitt.
And, the Dodgers need to take some of the money, because part of the reason to do this is salary relief.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I don't know about far more value.
Izturis’s value gets a little boost because he played shortstop. I’m going to cherry pick stats a bit, but when the Cubs acquired Izturis he was 2 years removed from hitting 288/.330/.381/.710 as a 24 year old.
As a 24 year old this season, Dewitt’s hit .270/.352/.371/.723.
DEJESUS!!!
He's really not that much better.
He’s younger, that’s about it
by HuskerCorner on Jul 31, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
When is DeWitt going to be a FA?
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
IN 15 MINUTES!!!!!!!
I gotcha bro.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
CCO Tweet...
According to Jim Bowden (XM Radio), Ted Lilly and Ryan Theriot have been traded to the #Dodgers. No word on the return.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Manny's hair
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
(crosses fingers)
say it’s something awesome, say it’s something awesome.
DEJESUS!!!
LEBRON!!!
Is LeBron humor already done?
"It was a perfect situation for the Brewers," Hill said. "They had a guy up there at the plate [in Counsell] who takes a lot of pride in what he does and he practices those situations, so when it does come up, he gets the bunt down to the right side of the field. They have the perfect guy on first base [in Gomez], who is one of the fastest guys in the league, and they had one of the worst fundamental teams on the field, so it was a perfect situation for them."
by louslovechild on Jul 31, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Is he good?
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Ooooooh
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
I would not be upset by that
But it sounds like it may be speculation in MLBN’s part
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Ken_Rosenthal
#Cubs would get DeWitt, Class AA pitcher and possibly third player for Lilly/Theriot package. Not sure of financial exchange. #Dodgers #MLB
Jim just loves his minor-league pitchers, doesn't he?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Not if there's a pitcher in the mix
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
"Possibly third player"
… could be Gordon. Right?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I don't see it
If there’s a pitcher in the mix…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
CCO....
(@Joelsherman1) Lilly and Theriot for DeWitt — #Cubs to #Dodgers is done
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Best be some other prospects in there.
Otherwise we attached Theriot to pull down Lilly’s value.
or the Cubs don't eat any salary
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
Avatar provided courtesy of AndrewJStone.
FWIW
If this trade is made official, I will start a new post on the front page for it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
CCO...
@ChrisDeLuca Cubs have completed Lilly-Theriot deal with Dodgers. Plug pulled on 2010.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Now is Big Z back to the rotation?
Cubs paying big chunk of Lilly $$$
"It was a perfect situation for the Brewers," Hill said. "They had a guy up there at the plate [in Counsell] who takes a lot of pride in what he does and he practices those situations, so when it does come up, he gets the bunt down to the right side of the field. They have the perfect guy on first base [in Gomez], who is one of the fastest guys in the league, and they had one of the worst fundamental teams on the field, so it was a perfect situation for them."
My guess is yes.
Otherwise, why wouldn’t he have pitched last night?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I thought that he didn't throw
because he had thrown 2 innings and gotten rocked the night before.
"It was a perfect situation for the Brewers," Hill said. "They had a guy up there at the plate [in Counsell] who takes a lot of pride in what he does and he practices those situations, so when it does come up, he gets the bunt down to the right side of the field. They have the perfect guy on first base [in Gomez], who is one of the fastest guys in the league, and they had one of the worst fundamental teams on the field, so it was a perfect situation for them."
by louslovechild on Jul 31, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
MLB Network says
Lilly + Theriot + 2.5M for DeWitt and 2 minor league pitchers.
I'm going to work on a front-page post
Will link here when I’m finished.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Looks like Josh beat you to it :P
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/07/ted-lilly-rumors-saturday.html
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Whoops
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2010/7/31/1598513/lilly-theriot-to-dodgers-for-blake#comments
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Might wanna
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Yeah! Let the house cleaning begin!
How about getting rid of Dempster too? Seen enough of the bases loaded walks and choking HRs.
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
These guys lose all credibility saying
That Theriot and Podsednik are good players.
Theriot is a good player, by baseball standards
no one, except for us, is analyzing he shitty baserunning and droopy arm. He leads MLB in singles. At the top or bottom of a line-up people want that.
"It was a perfect situation for the Brewers," Hill said. "They had a guy up there at the plate [in Counsell] who takes a lot of pride in what he does and he practices those situations, so when it does come up, he gets the bunt down to the right side of the field. They have the perfect guy on first base [in Gomez], who is one of the fastest guys in the league, and they had one of the worst fundamental teams on the field, so it was a perfect situation for them."
by louslovechild on Jul 31, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
He also is the 2nd worst on the Cubs at getting on base.
Noodle arm and brain aside, he still isn’t good.
Just curious...What happens after today?
Does Hendry put the entire team on waivers to see if there’s ANY interest in anyone?
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
Think we'll get a taker for Koyie Hill?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope not...he needs to retire a Cub...it'll be best for when the statue ceremony takes place.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
At least I'll know then where the restroom is.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty much any big contract, why not?
Worst case you just pull it back, best case you get a team to pick up the salary.
That would probably happen anyway
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
It is DeWitt, Brett Walch, and Kyle Smit
http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23trades
"It was a perfect situation for the Brewers," Hill said. "They had a guy up there at the plate [in Counsell] who takes a lot of pride in what he does and he practices those situations, so when it does come up, he gets the bunt down to the right side of the field. They have the perfect guy on first base [in Gomez], who is one of the fastest guys in the league, and they had one of the worst fundamental teams on the field, so it was a perfect situation for them."
minor leaguers Brett Walch & Kyle Smit?
Any good?
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
Well, the Dodgers site seems to be pretty annoyed at losing Wallach
they are not annoyed with losing Smit, so he was apparently a toss in.
One guy said that in 2020 the Dodgers would end up trading 4 prospects to get Wallach back so clearly, there is some love among Dodger fans for him
by HuskerCorner on Jul 31, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Hope he gets a ring with the Yankees.
And then I hope him and Girardi come back and get a ring in Chicago.
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