Cubs Trade Complete, Game Tonight: Cubs vs. Rockies Preview, Saturday 7/31, 7:10 CT
by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2010 5:00 PM CDT
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Think about this for a moment. Think about all the trade discussion here, and all the back-and-forth tweets and other information you received before the Lilly/Theriot for DeWitt and others deal was finally announced early this afternoon.
Imagine, if you will, how many phone calls went back and forth between Ned Colletti and Jim Hendry, how much give and take regarding players and dollars went on before that deal was finalized only a couple of hours before the trading deadline.
Now, for those of you who have thought Steve Stone or Greg Maddux would make a good general manager, can you imagine either one of those men accomplishing what Hendry did today?
Stone can talk glibly about baseball on television. That doesn't translate into deal-negotiating skills on deals involving millions of dollars.
And Maddux, brilliant baseball mind that he is, I can't see him siting in an office, cellphone glued to his ear, doing this; he seems better suited to watching games and evaluating talent and possibly strategizing during ballgames. He'd make a much better pitching coach, bench coach or manager than he would sitting in an executive suite.
Just a thought. Enjoy tonight's game. It can't possibly be worse than last night's. Can it?
Blake DeWitt will apparently not be in Denver in time to start tonight's game; lineup via tweet from Carrie:
#cubs lineup for sat is rf colvin, ss castro, 1b lee, 3b ramy, cf byrd, lf sori, c soto, 2b fontenot, p gorzelanny
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Jason Hammel is having a decent season, though he has not won since the All-Star break (three starts). His only career start vs. the Cubs was last August 9 in Denver, an 11-5 Rockies win. Current Cubs are hitting .435 off Hammel (10-for-23).
Tom Gorzelanny's second start after his acquisition last year was August 10, 2009 in Denver. He got knocked out of the game in the second inning after allowing HR to Clint Barmes and Troy Tulowitzki. We hope for better results tonight.
Tonight's game is again on WGN and FSN Rocky Mountain. Here is the complete MLB.com Mediacenter for today.
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Today's first pitch thread will be up at 7 pm CDT, and the overflows will post at 8 pm, 9 pm and 9:45 pm CDT.
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you can say many things about Jim Hendry as a GM....
…but one thing you cannot question is his effort and dedication to the Cubs organization.
by JB 23 on Jul 31, 2010 5:07 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
wonder what his phone bill is every year with how he's on it all the time
"They say you don’t win a pennant in April, but you can sure lose one." - Ryan Dempster
"Stuttgart Kickers soccer player Sascha Bender once suffered a facial injury after being punched. The assailant, teammate Christian Okpala, said Bender "permanently provoked me by farting all the time." "
He is really a decent GM.
I think we have all been spoiled by our recent success — because he’s really the best GM we’ve had in a while. He has made some bad decisions but he’s made at least a good one for every bad one.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
by Unique on Jul 31, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
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I don't know how you can possibly think that Hendry
has been a decent GM. 2003 being the exception, Hendry for the most part has been awful. He has financially hamstrung this organization for at least the next two years. The bullpen with the exception of Marshall and Marmol needs to be revamped and that won’t be cheap, they are going to need a replacement at first base that won’t be cheap and at least two additions to the starting rotation. BTW, did I mention the Soriano contract?
by troutfishin on Jul 31, 2010 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Yes, the duration of Soriano's contract will be awful,
but it’s really not the horrible contract everyone makes it out to be. 2004 he was an exceptional GM, we had no reason to NOT make the playoffs that year if it wasn’t for the lack of leadership from our manager.
Besides the Ricky Nolasco trade — we have not traded away ANY prospects that would of made us that much better. We have made the better part of most trades since Jim Hendry has been apart of this organization. Yes, in 2007 and 2008 we spent money like we were the NY Yankees. We spent money trying to buy a winner and really when you attempt to do that you can fail more than you can succeed. In 2007 we were attempting to rebuild our fanbase that lost faith after a dismal 2006 season. Our ratings had dropped and we needed that offseason to give something for the fanbase to be excited about. Our farm system was below average, and we had to spend money. We signed the best free agent on the market in 2007 and signed a guy in Fukudome that damn near ALL of us wanted to get. Soriano has been good except the 2009 season.
Now you tell me who else do you think has done a better job as a GM besides Hendry?
Maybe next year is finally our year.
by Unique on Jul 31, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is a ridiculous statement.
“best GM we’ve had in a while” =/= “decent GM”.
Hendry has been a miserable failure, and today’s trade is the natural result of the years of failure that led up to it.
Blake DeWitt is not a plausible starting 2B for a team with championship aspirations. In fact, the idea that he’s worth 2 draft picks – even if Ted winds up as a Type B – is laughable.
Do not be fooled – the impetus for this trade was salary relief, brought on by Jim’s multi-year run of dumbass deals.
We saved $2M of 2010 salary today.
We are spending $4.8M on John Grabow next year.
Think about that.
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by D98 on Jul 31, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Ah, draft picks.
While the John Grabow deal was too much money — why don’t you mention the fact that we also have an all-star centerfielder at 5 million dollars (average per year)? Why don’t you mention that we have a good starter under control in Gorzelanny that we traded for along with Grabow? Why don’t you mention the fact that Jim Hendry didn’t drool to the floor when Curtis Granderson was avaliable and gave up Starlin Castro in the deal, like some GMs would of? Why don’t you mention the fact Carlos Silva has already been worth the trade of Milton Bradley and has actually been worth his salary?
Jim Hendry has been a ‘miserable failure’? Seriously? In what terms? Every GM makes mistakes and some of the ones that Jim Hendry has made are not the detrimental mistakes that you make them out to be.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
This team has the highest payroll in the NL
And is what, ten games under .500? That’s also with no significant injuries. Unacceptable.
by shoemile on Jul 31, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of course.
I’d be the first to tell you that this team is not very good. Highest payroll in the NL without a top-10 franchise player is not good. That does fall alittle on Hendry, but look at this way, most top players were brought up through the system (Pujols, Hanley Ramirez, Ryan Howard, etc). Does the level of talent match the salaries of this years team? Hell no. But not a damn person thought Aramis Ramirez was gonna flirt with .200 all season, not many thought Derrek Lee was gonna drop off this hard after last years stellar season. Not many people thought at the time of signing that Fukudome would be as terrible as he was. Hell, not many were that upset at Zambrano getting the money he got. All of these guys would of got money on the open market. Hendry has done a bad job with contracts such as Aaron Miles, John Grabow, Milton Bradley and to a certain extent Carlos Zambrano, but those mistakes are hardly the reason we are 12 games under .500. This team just is a major underachiever.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
No..these mistakes are precisely why the Cubs are in this position
Over-valuing current talent, not being knowing when to fold and over-valuing prospects and seeing their trade value melt away with every swing and miss.
Uh, yeah, I guess.
Going all the way back to the beginning of Hendry’s tenure, the system has been weak. I know all about the Baseball America rankings — I think our system as a whole since 2001 has been pretty mediocre. Drafting has been a big problem, and I don’t hold Hendry completely responsible for that because he’s not solely responsible for that.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
The failure of the farm system falls squarely on Jim Hendry's shoulders.
But clearly we’re not going to agree on that.
Down on the Farm.......
Lets look back on the Farm system . Where are Bobby Hill, Corey Patterson and Felix Pie today ?? We were led to beleive these would be the players of the future . Gone !!
Pop quiz - who was in charge of the minor league system prior to Hendry's ascension to GM?
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Hanley Ramirez came up through the Boston organization.
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I know that.
But he wasn’t the player he is today when he was traded for.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
He was the #10 prospect in all of baseball, and was traded straight up for Josh Beckett.
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by D98 on Aug 1, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
It's funny, Ryan Theriot get castigated
on this website but the guy who resigned Theriot and put him in position to be the cubs starting SS and eventually the starting 2b gets a free pass. On a good team Theriot would have been a bench player, that’s saying something for a team with the highest payroll in the National League.
Huh.
Seems to me Theriot was the starting SS for a 97-win team two years ago.
Now, that was about the peak of his ability. This year, clearly, he has regressed to bench-player status.
But at the time he was the starting SS in 2007/2008, he was a decent major league regular.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Sorry but Theriots
WAR rating for both of those seasons were 1.7 & 1.8 both years indicate to me and anyone else that understands that stat that yes even in those two seasons he would have been a reserve player on most teams.
97 Wins had nothing to do with him.
He still wasn't the player he is today.
You don’t build a franchise around someone until they prove so.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
Again, he was traded, straight up, for Josh Beckett.
Clearly, a couple of MLB GMs thought he was going to be a cornerstone guy. He hadn’t actually arrived in MLB yet, but he was well known as a major, major talent.
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by D98 on Aug 1, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Jim Hendry has provided the Cubs one of the lowest returns on investment in the history of MLB.
The team is hamstrung by his foolhardy moves. Today, they traded away a valuable asset in Ted Lilly’s expiring contract for nothing in particular – I hope.
If they’re counting on starting the Blake DeWitt Era at 2B for Year Two, then we’re in more trouble than I thought. That’s one of the few locations on the field where the team could be easily improved for 2011, and we’re going with Blake DeWitt over Kelly Johnson.
No one was ever going to trade Starlin Castro for Curtis Granderson. Hendry deserves absolutely zero points for not being a complete moron.
Hendry has painted the Cubs into a terrible corner fiscally and in terms of talent on the MLB roster. For the last 2 years at least, he’s been a horrific GM, and still we have posters on this board willing to defend him. Albeit, very poorly.
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After seeing the d-backs purging
payroll, Johnson could of been had. It almost seems that people were looking for Hendry to deal just for the sake of it. In reality the Cubs freed up enough money today to sign a long reliever for next year.
Cubs freed up ZERO 2011 dollars today.
Lilly and Theriot were off the books at the end of the season regardless.
And the $2M in 2010 salary they saved today, if stashed in the bank, would pay less than half of John Grabow’s 2011 salary. I don’t know what kind of good middle reliever is going to be had for $2M.
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Oh God.
How do you know what was actually on the table? You know for a fact we could of had Kelly Johnson?
You still haven’t given me a legit reason on why Hendry is a terrible GM. Explain the contracts you wouldn’t have given besides the obvious ones (Miles, Grabow, Bradley, the duration of the Soriano deal).
Maybe next year is finally our year.
D98 isn't being paid millions of dollars a year to make decisions
To put him on equal footing with Hendry is ridiculous. Hendry’s paid to have foresight.
Paid to have foresight?
What GM would of known these guys would perform this bad at this point of it’s contract. I promise you the Angels would of paid Aramis Ramirez if the Cubs did not offer him a contract. I’m confident someone would of paid Derrek Lee for 5 years. Fukudome seemed like a good idea.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
Bradley led the AL in OPS the year before Hendry signed him.
You can construe every single signing as seeming like a good idea if you want.
There are a cadre of posters on this board who will defend Hendry until the day he is mercifully fired.
We are being smacked in the face with failure every single day, and there are dozens of people who seem to have a vested interest in whistling past this graveyard.
This isn’t an everyday run-of-the-mill GM failure. It’s an amazing, unprecedented, unparalleled failure.
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Well, as long as you're willing to put on massive blinders
and only compare Jim Hendry to past Cubs GM’s while ignoring resources, then apparently everything comes up roses.
First, yes. Kelly Johnson was offered to the Cubs, based on multiple sources.
Second, are you familiar at all with Jim Hendry’s body of work? He manages this Cubs team like a capuchin monkey with ADD – every week brings an entirely new organizational philosophy.
For instance – Prior to last season, he jettisoned CF Edmonds, presumably to get younger with Felix Pie and Reed Johnson on the team. Then he ditched Johnson. Then he traded DeRosa for three pitchers, again presumably to get younger. Then he traded Pie for Aaron Heilman, assuming that Kosuke Fukudome could play CF, and signed Milton Bradley to play RF…. presumably to get more of a veteran presence? More lefthanded?
Hendry’s management style is “follow the path of least resistance toward patching the latest crisis that I have caused.”
As for “legitimate reasons” why Hendry has failed — he is spending more $$ per win than any other GM in MLB history. He has literally no elite players on his 25-man roster, and has conclusively demonstrated that he has no plan for implementing a comprehensive organizational philosophy.
The fact that Hendry has failed is simply beyond dispute. He has failed in unprecedented, spectacular fashion. I can’t believe that you’re arguing this fact, albeit poorly.
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I respect your opinion.
But can we just agree to disagree here. We aren’t getting anywhere.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
28 year old LH 2B. 17 HR. .365 OPB. .500 SLG. 122 OPS+.
If you look at Kelly Johnson’s career, one year kind of stands out as an outlier.
Amazingly, it isn’t the awesome year he’s currently enjoying.
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Want to know why?
Soriano – $19,000,000
Zambrano -$18,875,000
Ramirez -$14,600,000
Fukudome -$14,500,000
Shark – $3,500,000
Silva -$12,750,000
Grabow -$4,800,000
All, except for Grabow, Shark and Soriano once had trade value.
How about the fact that almost $15,000,000 is owed Demp next year and they have 7 players arbitration eligible next year, including Marmol, Marshall, and Soto. Seeing some of these other lucrative contracts Hendry has doled out, how much do you suppose Marmol, Marshall, and Soto will be asking for?
Over a $100,000,000 is tied up for next year and that doesn’t include those arb eligible players. Ricketts has indicated a desire to shrink payroll. How do you suppose that happens, while at the same time trying to get better.
Get used to seeing the Cubs right above or right below the Pirates for the next couple of years, Thanks Jim!!
by troutfishin on Jul 31, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a little late here
but I’m not a Hendry fan either. Lots of money spent and no WS appearances. With the highest NL payroll on average there should be better results.
Funny
“He has made some bad decisions but he’s made at least a good one for every bad one”
If the Cubs sucked at the beginning of Hendry’s tenure and “he has made a good move for every bad one” then wouldn’t that put the Cubs precisely where they started with Hendry?
by troutfishin on Jul 31, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Effort and Dedication as a GM
don’t mean a thing without theability to judge talent and having a certain type of savvy to swing the right kind of deals. His effort and dedication certainly haven’t brought a championship.
by troutfishin on Jul 31, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
and of course
he’s responsible for every missed pitch and botched throw.
Pete’s sake.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
!!!!
augh
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate to keep using Kenny Williams as the example but look
what he did after the ’05 World Series. Most of that team is now gone and they are right back in the thick of it, all done with a payroll that is 40million dollars less than what your hero has to work with.
Let me ask you this, were will the Cubs be in two years? Augh!!!, is not an acceptable answer.
Nobody knows
including you. That’s why the games ar eplayed and the deals are made.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
I don't know what the future holds but if
Hendry has a job going into next season, he’s got a lot of work to do because again, I don’t see Ricketts opening up the pocket book until some of these bad contracts go away.
it's funny
because I think Kenny Williams kinda sucks.
My point is, you cannot blame the play on the field on the GENERAL FREAKIN’ MANAGER.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Sucks? Wow
Floyd, Danks, Thornton, Jenks, Alex Rios, Carlos Quentin, Ramirez, Viciedo, Lillibridge, Putz want me to name some more?
All guys sought by and aquired by Kenny Williams, yeah he really sucks. Don’t let your dislike for the Sox keep you from recognizing accomplishments.
it's funny because
you’re doing the same thing with Hendry. Three division titles, three winning seasons in a row, and five outs from the World Series. I suppose that meltdown was his fault too, tho, right?
Kenny Williams is a loudmouthed, pretentious, arrogant jerkoff, which makes him a perfect match for his manager.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Kenny Williams is a loudmouthed, pretentious, arrogant jerkoff,
What in the world does that have to do with being a good GM?
BTW, I did say “with the exception of 2003”. Hendry did a wonderful job that year, but he doesn’t have Dave Littlefield to take advantage of anymore, and just about every deal since then has been suspect.
whatever, man.
Hendry’s been a good GM. Not a great one, but a good one. Believe what you want, and I’ll believe what I want.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm with Drew.
Hendry’s in the middle of the pack as a GM.
Nevertheless, KW has a ring. I’d take that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I'm sorry, when you look at the amount of mone
Hendry has been allowed to work with and then compare him to some of these smaller market successes, I don’t understand how anyone comes away with a good, confident feeling going forward with this current GM.
I think today began his job of cleaning up his mess.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
He's got a long way to go to accomplish that.
Cleaning up the mess or being a good GM.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 31, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
You've been saying that for a year.
His mess will be gone, for the most part, after next season, no matter what Hendry does in the interim.
Today’s deal does nothing to help clean up anything.
The Cubs shifted two expiring contracts, picked up absolutely nothing of interest, reduced the 2011 payroll by zero, and forfeited the right to the Lilly arb draft picks.
It’s a bad day to be a Cub fan.
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They could have, and should have, offered Lilly arb.
Worst case, you have Ted Lilly for one more year, and about $65M coming off the books at the end of 2011.
As an aside, I hate this “they were going to screw it up anyway, so their failures are moot” argument. It doesn’t hold water.
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I think we will see exactly what kind
of GM Hendry is this off season. Financially the team is hamstrung, Ricketts is not going to put a lot of money into payroll until some of the money gets off the books. That being said, if I were the owner I wouldn’t want a GM whose skill set is based on cleaning up his mistakes.
as are the 29 GMs that obviously suck big time each year because they don't win a WS.
Off with their heads!!!
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 31, 2010 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
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this also helps with over population
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by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 31, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
No...a good GM puts a team in a position to be a contender .
with the exception of ’08 and ’03(when I kind of felt they had a chance) , Hendry has driven them further away from respectability.
It was only until recently that the Cubs have actually developed talent, but there is still no top down organizational philosophy that helps and instructs exactly what players in the minors are to learn to be prepared to play for this organization at the major league level, because it seems as though Colvin and Castro are playing purely on talent and instinct.
Take the Twins for example, if they have a young player ready for a certain position, then that player is plugged into that position. When that happens they are expected to be ready to perform at that level. Why? because of what was instilled from the very beginning. Fundamentals, fielding, baserunning, situational hitting. That is what I’m talking about when I say organizational philosophy.
It almost seems as though Hendry expected Baker and Piniella to implement that, when it should have been implemented by him a long time ago.
Couple where the organization is right now with how much leeway Hendry was given to do his job and I don’t understand how anyone can call him a good GM.
by troutfishin on Jul 31, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great
When’s the last time the Twins made it to the WS? What a terrible GM they have.
Are the Twins in contention
for their division year in year out? Yep. That’s all you can ask of a GM, manage payroll, draft wisely, and PUT A WINNING TEAM ON THE FIELD!!!
Even among the best GMs, only one of them wins a WS a year
JH has made the Cubs relevant in most years. In the grand scheme of things, that’s a relative obscurity for the Cubs.
Yes, only because the purse strings were allowed open by Tribco
and Hendry managed to screw that up. He was given the keys to daddy’s porsche and totaled it. Now it’s going to be in the shop for the next few years getting worked on.
yes
when we’re good, it’s because he has money, and when we’re bad, it’s because Hendry sucks.
Are you even listening to yourself?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
No it's because Hendry meandered his way through the
last seven years. Absolutely no game plan while spending top tier money on 2nd tier talent.
sigh.
must be nice to have that spycam in his office.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
What does a spycam have to do with anything
Did he not give a three year deal to Milton Bradley? It’s all out there guy, have you not been paying attention.
Oh yeah, you want to “forger all that other stuff, I gotta believe”
You don't want to talk to me about Milton Bradley
And you don’t want to mess with my fan-ness.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Spycam?
He’s had poor judgment and it’s obvious to see the results of it…a team with tons of overpaid players with long term contracts. Why in the world would we need a spycam to see that?
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 31, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly - Hendry's failure is a matter of public record.
And after several years of that failure, it leads to things like “trading Ted Lilly and the right to an extra pick in the 2011 draft for organizational filler” in order to save $2M over the next 2 months.
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And yet
when we’re good, it’s because Hendry is smart, and when we’re bad, it’s because the players suck.
How refreshing.
not in the slightest.
I recognize that this is a game where both teams are trying to win. Sometimes, you just don’t play well enough to win. Sometimes you get lucky. Sometimes you have bad luck. But to blame the GM for the performance on the field is pretty silly.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
So then what praise/blame does Hendry deserve?
I don’t get pissed at him when I see someone boot a grounder, but I do when I look at the standings.
What?
It’s all luck? The GM has nothing to do with it? Then gosh…just hire the beer vendor and save more money. My goodness. That’s the weirdest idea I’ve seen on here. The GM picks the contracts we have (overall awful) and tries to sign players that will perform. That fans agreed with his signings(althought not necessarily the contract needed to sign them) just shows fans shouldn’t be a GM.
Of course a GM should be responsible for the overall performance of the players and team. I agree worrying about it month to month is reactionary, perhaps a year. But now it’s a pattern, we’re locked in to horrible contracts, and you are delusional to think it isn’t Hendry’s fault.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 31, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
As I've been saying...these fundamentally challenged players
didn’t give these contracts to themselves. Someone had to have signed them.
Hendry’s not much of a sabermetrician, that’s a fact.
by troutfishin on Jul 31, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Precisely.
It would be one thing to defend a lackluster GM performance. But we’re looking at a 2-year run that is one of the worst ever.
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I think the point he was trying to make is that
Hendry has done less, with more money, than many other ball clubs. And I agree. When you have the 3rd highest payroll in the majors, you better be at least playoff caliber year-in and year-out. And yet we play 2nd fiddle every year to the Cards.
It’s awful.
So do the Yankees year in and out, and how did that treat them this past decade?
I will take being relevant 2/3 of the time vs. going the Pittsburgh year in and out hoping I strike gold. Because if I’m relevant I know I have a distinctly better chance than relying on a AAAA squad.
Today's trade in of itself was decent IMO
Lilly gets to go to a contender (I think LA will still be heard from), Theriot is out of our hair, and DeWitt comes with some upside given his youth. However I wouldn’t misconstrue this deal as solid evidence that Hendry is an above-average GM.
I still think the Cubs can do better.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
I think you're far too charitable.
Today’s trade was a bad deal, forced upon the Cubs because Hendry busted the budget on the likes of John Grabow.
If ARI was offering Kelly Johnson for Theriot, and we took DeWitt b/c of $$ issues, then it naturally follows that Hendry should be fired for causing the situation that forced such a horrible compromise.
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I could care absolutely no less about his "effort".
There are literally millions of people in the United States who would provide a similar “effort”.
What the Cubs should care about are things like “propensity to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on mediocrities”.
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You liked paying them 2.5 million dollars to have Lilly pitch for them?
maybe I would if I knew those prospects meant something. Don’t know a lot about them.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 31, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
too early to tell a lot about them with how low in the system they are
"They say you don’t win a pennant in April, but you can sure lose one." - Ryan Dempster
"Stuttgart Kickers soccer player Sascha Bender once suffered a facial injury after being punched. The assailant, teammate Christian Okpala, said Bender "permanently provoked me by farting all the time." "
Yeah that's my perception.
Seems ok until we pay 2.5 mill. Don’t get that. I guess Hendry or the org really wanted DeWitt.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 31, 2010 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
some of my thought is this could be a steal
we can now sign Lilly to a lesser contract as a FA if he/Cubs wish to. I dont see LAD offering arb, and Lilly loved being a Cub. This could be a deciding factor in the trade, who knows.
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
I think paying part of Lilly's salary...
…. was really the price to pay to unload Theriot.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Would Steve Stone
sign Ted Lilly while hooked up to an EKG machine?
Hendry is not a baseball genius. But he does work hard and as the Buster Olney survey on ESPN.com showed last month, he’s always available to other GMs if they want to talk.
I am pretty upset about the loss of Lilly.
I told my daughter I didn’t think I could watch the Cubs anymore. She said “what about Castro and Colvin?” OK, maybe I will watch…
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
Unfortunately
There are other reasons not to watch the Cubs.
But maybe Lilly will be back next season. Sounds like he wants to come back.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
There are (were) more reasons than "just" Lilly, Castro & Colvin
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Right.
Ted Lilly did a good job here. But you can’t get attached to him that the point you wouldn’t watch the team.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Point taken
and agreed with. To be honest, if this team wasn’t so far below 500 I doubt I would have been so upset about Lilly being traded. I would have thought of it as business as usual. But they aren’t giving me much to be excited about this year, so losing my favorite player is like kicking me when I’m down.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
It's like the car commercials
Ranked #1 in Initial Value. Doesn’t mean jack 5 years down the road, but initially it appears we were on the positive side of the trade.
I am *not* in the "Stone for GM" camp
but I’m not sure you can judge his tolerance for back-and-forth phone calls or his negotiating skills based on his television persona.
Stone is “glib” on tv because he’s honed his personality that way over several years of doing the job.
Maybe he would indeed stink at the job. Maybe he wouldn’t have the work ethic for it. I’m just not convinced his glibness on tv is much of an indicator as to his capabilities as a GM.
And… again… I am not in the Stone for GM camp. I also very much appreciate all the hard work and dedication Hendry has put into this organization. As JB23 noted above, he certainly should be lauded for that effort. Unfortunately for all of us, the results of those efforts have been rather mixed.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
by fsuapollo on Jul 31, 2010 5:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't know, hell none of us know
whether Stoney would make a good GM. I will say this however, the man likes to talk. He can take what would be a fifty word description for most people regarding the talent of a pitching prospect and turn it into a 30 minute dissertation.
Considering his knowledge of the game and his propensity to talk too much, I think he would make a fine GM, if not he would at least be able to talk other GM’s into submission.
As far as Hendry is concerned
me likey, not so much. Compare him to the GM across town and it’s a difference of night and day. Kenny Williams also had and has about a third less money to play with.
by troutfishin on Jul 31, 2010 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think night and day is a bit strong....
…in my opinion. Kenny certainly is a very good GM but night and day?
Kenny likes to gamble a bit more
He’s had some deals pay off, but he’s had others that haven’t. He isn’t afraid to do one, however.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Night and Day is right and the payoffs have been huge
Danks for McCarthy, Quentin for Carter, Alex Rios, Floyd and Gio Gonzolez for Freddy Garcia(who is now back with the Sox doing a hell of a job), Bobby Jenks, Matt Thornton.
I can go on, but you get the idea. Kenny Williams is cocky enough to be able to look at former top draft picks, that haven’t panned out and believes his staff will turn them around. Gavin Floyd and Quentin are prime examples.
by troutfishin on Jul 31, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Peavy?
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Tehan, Colon....et al
….again he is good GM, but lets not nominate him for Cooperstown just yet. As NBF mentions above he is a gambler and some of his gambles have paid off big.
I didn't say he was perfect but Edwin Jackson
for Hudson was a nice move and a nice replacement for Peavy.
Jackson will be really good when he learns
to keep his fastball down in the zone with more consistency. I can’t stand Cooper, but Jackson is in the right hands.
That's another thing that makes Williams a good GM.
He didn’t wait for the trade value on Hudson to completely evaporate. He didn’t over-value his prospect and imho got the better of the deal with the d-backs. Hendry could learn from that.
There's a reason.....
…… why Edwin Jackson has traveled so much in such a short time. I’m not saying I know what it is, but why does he get moved so often?
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
I would also like to declare a moratorium on "it can't get any worse".
We’ve all said that many times this season… and the answer is, apparently and unfortunately, “yes, it can”.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
Such short memories - Of course it can get worse, it can always get worse, but will it get worse?
The Cubs aren’t in a time warp back to the 50’s. Those were the really bad days.
Get worse, as in really bad? I don’t think so.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
What Maddux could add to the GM role
I agree that Hendry appears to have deal-making savvy, though I’m not sure what the Cubs gained by getting rid of Lilly today. But I could see Maddux and Hendry in a dule role similar to that of Jon Daniels and Nolan Ryan with the Rangers. Daniels has the Hendry-like deal-making savvy and Ryan the baseball know-how and evaluative skills.
Put differently,
I’m not sure what good it does to accomplish trades that suck, like today’s. I’m very disappointed to see Lilly go. I think someone like Maddux could help make sure the trades serve a purpose.
this trade doesn't serve a purpose?
getting rid of Theriot isn’ t a purpose?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
We could have gotten rid of Theriot
by simply not signing him for next year
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
exactly same with Lilly
we could always bring Lilly back if he doesn’t sign a contract extension with the Dodgers especially with that divorce going on
"They say you don’t win a pennant in April, but you can sure lose one." - Ryan Dempster
"Stuttgart Kickers soccer player Sascha Bender once suffered a facial injury after being punched. The assailant, teammate Christian Okpala, said Bender "permanently provoked me by farting all the time." "
that would be
getting rid of him in the offseason. This gets rid of him NOW.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you suggesting his departure
means we have a chance to go to the playoffs?
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
This trade DOES serve a purpose.
The Cubs got three good young players, saved $2m, AND they could get Lilly back next year. Win-win-win.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Well if the players do turn out to be more than prospects and a journeyman we end up releasing,
Then yeah it’s a win. Otherwise so far I see we saved a little money next year. Win with it possible to be more.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 31, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Dare I say it - Go Cubs, be good this evening.
At least we (Germany) won Bronze in the European Baseball Championships.
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Getting younger is what we do
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
You have Fukudome, Nady, Lee, most of the bullpen, Hill, Fontenot, bad Silva, free-swinging Soriano...
Should I continue?
thanks for the reminder
can we place the names on a dart board and throw darts to choose the flavor of the night?
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
Carry Muskat tweet
Cubs announce Thomas Diamond will start Tues vs #Brewers. Randy Wells will go Monday, then Diamond then Ryan Dempster 1 minute ago via web
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
I guess we'll be paying Z to sit on the bench
Man, we are smart
The 2010 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp ruled!!!!
he probably
has to stretch out some.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
hopefully we can give him some run support
"They say you don’t win a pennant in April, but you can sure lose one." - Ryan Dempster
"Stuttgart Kickers soccer player Sascha Bender once suffered a facial injury after being punched. The assailant, teammate Christian Okpala, said Bender "permanently provoked me by farting all the time." "
I refer you to the link chilango posted earlier.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I mean yes.
I saw the link.
The part where he didn’t pitch in 2007 and is 5-4 in triple A was particularly impressive.
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
AAA pitcher for the Cubs who started the AAA all star game and went 2 innings and did well
"They say you don’t win a pennant in April, but you can sure lose one." - Ryan Dempster
"Stuttgart Kickers soccer player Sascha Bender once suffered a facial injury after being punched. The assailant, teammate Christian Okpala, said Bender "permanently provoked me by farting all the time." "
Not sure, but I think he's related to Sam Spade...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
"Is your name Thomas Daimond?"
Naw, mine’s Clarence…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Frickin' fingers still aren't doing their job
*grumble
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Wow, I was about to post this exact thing.
Well, except without the typo.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
Or Michael Diamond, as I tried to write above
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Picture fail?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course.
I come back into this thread, and it loads.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Still ain't working for me
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
One of my favorite comedies
Truman Capote was perfect as Lionel Twain.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Geesh.
Well, we wanted to trade Lilly and this is what you get. Gonna be some fun games watching Diamond fail. I wanted our rooks to play since the season is over…we will see if I can stick to my own words lol.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 31, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't see how this is a good trade.
The Cubs actually traded for LESS offense? How does that make any sense? Also, they already have one of the few marginal LHH 2b in the league, and they get an even more marginal one? No thanks. There had better be some can’t miss prospects coming back, because Lilly is definitely unlikely to resign with the Cubs now. Maybe Stone or Maddux would have at least been smart enough to put down the phone when other teams offer them crap in return
Less offense?
IMHO, Blake DeWitt is not an offensive downgrade from Theriot. He gets on base more often, has more power, and is more than 5 years younger. Theriot had a couple good years when he was taking walks and hitting to the opposite fields. It almost seems like he never got over the desire to hit it deep after he had that freak home run outburst a couple years ago.
quick correction.
Theriot’s career OBP is .350 and DeWitt’s is .340 (although in less than 230 games played).
don't forget he's only 24 while Theriot is like 30
and DeWitt has only been around in his 3rd year counting this year so there’s plenty of time while Theriot is running out of time as he gets older
"They say you don’t win a pennant in April, but you can sure lose one." - Ryan Dempster
"Stuttgart Kickers soccer player Sascha Bender once suffered a facial injury after being punched. The assailant, teammate Christian Okpala, said Bender "permanently provoked me by farting all the time." "
The age makes the trade attractive.
Spending money doesn’t. Otherwise it seems a worthwhile risk on questionable prospects and questionable consistency for DeWitt. He is better at defense. hopefully the TOOTBLAN factor is better too.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 31, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
more home runs too, I think.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
DeWitt played most of his games in "pitcher friendly" parks. Why don't we see how he does
in Comedy Central, both at bat and in the field.
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
Very mediocre return
DeWitt is essentally a younger version of Theriot. Very little power, marginal defender although probably better than Theriot. Wallach and Smit add to the long line of mediocre arms picked up by Hendry. Middle relievers in waiting to be exact. No upside to either of them.
The Cub organization should take a look at how the Yankees do business. They are a large market team that acts large market. Until the Cubs are willing to act like the large market team they are, without a budget for their baseball operations, they are just going to keep spinning their wheels for another 100 years.
This is just Year 1 so goes the mantra. This trade does nothing to help the Cubs in future years. Nothing.
"When the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right to think someday we'll go all the way." - Vedder
if you are such a good judge of A/AA young pitchers,
why are you not a scout for an MLB team?
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
At least he's more apt to take instruction from coaches and management
I like what a previous poster said about Jaramillo having more success with the likes of Byrd and Soto than with Lee, ARam, and Sori. Let’s see if DeWitt can perhaps blossom under Rudy’s tutelage.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
your focus on DeWitt's hitting ONLY versus Theriot misses the point.
The Cubs have to improve the defense up the middle if we are going to contend.
As for the pitchers the Cubs got back, only time (2-3) yrs will tell. That is why they are called “prospects.” Talent is unproven, no matter what we see in A/AA stats.
The Cubs also got younger with this trade, another positive.
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
Anyone know when DeWitt will join the Cubs?
Or is it still too early to tell?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 5:59 PM CDT reply actions
or a better question might be... how can you tell?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
probably Sunday he'll be in the clubhouse
"They say you don’t win a pennant in April, but you can sure lose one." - Ryan Dempster
"Stuttgart Kickers soccer player Sascha Bender once suffered a facial injury after being punched. The assailant, teammate Christian Okpala, said Bender "permanently provoked me by farting all the time." "
its possible he is with the cubs
but trammell is taking the lou-ian approach and playing the cajun connection
by jesus christos on Jul 31, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't see a large contingent of people clamoring for Stone as Gm.
Not sure why Al chose to mention this. Maybe I’m wrong.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 31, 2010 6:06 PM CDT reply actions
Steve Stone is 60-something years old
If he were a real GM candidate, he probably would have gotten a shot by now.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
It was a pretty big topic back when he was still announcing for the Cubs
Now, not so much.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
The clamoring was HUGE several years ago. Started by him
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
I biked by Wrigley...
earlier and Hendry’s car was there. I found that odd that he wasn’t with the team. He generally travels with them, doesn’t he? Is it standard for GM’s to stay at home around this time of the year or something?
maybe he was too busy to hop on a plane and go to Denver and decided to stay back home
and work with the people around him to get deals done
"They say you don’t win a pennant in April, but you can sure lose one." - Ryan Dempster
"Stuttgart Kickers soccer player Sascha Bender once suffered a facial injury after being punched. The assailant, teammate Christian Okpala, said Bender "permanently provoked me by farting all the time." "
it's possible he is with the team and he just left the car at Wrigley.
Players do that a lot – they drive to Wrigley on getaway day, then hop on the bus to the airport after the game and just leave their car there. Granted they have a secure lot, but then again, I’m guessing Hendry’s not driving a Maserati or Bentley…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
probably drives a Hummer to drive over those who disagree's with him
"They say you don’t win a pennant in April, but you can sure lose one." - Ryan Dempster
"Stuttgart Kickers soccer player Sascha Bender once suffered a facial injury after being punched. The assailant, teammate Christian Okpala, said Bender "permanently provoked me by farting all the time." "
He has a pretty sweet Range Rover...
but it wasn’t in the gated up area. You’re probably right though, as there were some players cars there.
Marketing guy drives a Range Rover too. Might have been his.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Sorry - I'm not at the license plate level for stalking yet... ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Haha...
my buddy pointed it out to me one day and we spent a couple beers talking about it’s meaning, and came up empty.
I can usually guess what a license plate means.
But I’m drawing a complete blank on REEFKUP.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I could ask my brother to ask his wife what it means, if you really want to know...
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
If it read "REEFDUP"
I could probably take a pretty good guess.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
BEERCUB was taken
I have it, so he went for the next closest thing
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
I had read that Hendry didn't go on this trip
and neither did anybody from his staff. Supposedly it’s unusual for no front-office people (either Hendry or his minions) to travel with the team.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Despite the trade earlier today,
We will always have this picture.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 6:10 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He'll always be my guy, no matter what team he's on.
I sure hope he plays again for us someday.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 31, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
He's quickly becoming the next DeRosa...
Tsk tsk.
In the interest of full disclosure, I still pine for DeRo every day.
I wasn't this way over DeRosa,
but now I understand what that’s all about.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
Lillymaniacs?
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
Lillyluvers
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Lillylunatics
If the Cubs still have a chance, no matter how small, it’s still Go Cubs, damn the math and pass the KoolAid.
Idlillyc
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Lilly-longers
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Sentimentalilly
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
tedskis
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
Theodorables
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
That's getting there
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
girlfriend...she thinks he's cute...kinda sickening
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
One less dude for you to drool over that isn't him?
You should start watching every 5th Dodger game on MLB.TV just to mess with him.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
It's gotta be a huge culture shock from living 3 blocks from Wrigley to moving to LA
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
ask him to order the remaining MLB package
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
nice
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
Lilly-putians
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
I can't imagine either Stone or Maddux
sitting down to dinner with Bradley and giving him $30M/3. Nor Soriano being given $136M/8. There are any number of things that Hendry did that I’m convinced neither Stone or Maddux would consider. My job description of GM doesn’t include the ability to talk vast quantity of minutes on a phone and put a team on the field that is embarassing to the level that JH has accomplished.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
and Fukudome, Grabow, Miles, Izturis...
Hendry has done borderline worse that someone who would just stand pat. Especially considering the payroll. Like I said before this trade brings nothing unless one of these prospects is a can’t miss.
by Jerry Mumphrey on Jul 31, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
My beef with Hendry
will always be the Bradley signing. That was a train wreck before the train left the station. Just brutal. With Dunn and Abreu out there he signs a average ballplayer to a contract no one in baseball would have offered.
Soriano wasn't all JH...
…There were Trib hands involved in that (make a big FA splash and win now so we can sell this team for the most money possible) and I suspect if Stone was in Hendry’s chair, he would have had to make a similar move.
and Stone might have done it more than once if he was the GM
at least we have a GM that knows he made a mistake and to be smart about future contracts
"They say you don’t win a pennant in April, but you can sure lose one." - Ryan Dempster
"Stuttgart Kickers soccer player Sascha Bender once suffered a facial injury after being punched. The assailant, teammate Christian Okpala, said Bender "permanently provoked me by farting all the time." "
And Stone might have never done it
Please tell us how you know Hendry will be smart in the future. Frankly I’ve seen no evidence, nor have I heard any apologies. Did he go to some therapy program for GMs who have had hundreds of millions of dollars to spend and instead stunk up a city?
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
I came from the year 9000
maybe I should’ve said “maybe he will be smart about future contracts and hopefully he learned from his mistakes”
"They say you don’t win a pennant in April, but you can sure lose one." - Ryan Dempster
"Stuttgart Kickers soccer player Sascha Bender once suffered a facial injury after being punched. The assailant, teammate Christian Okpala, said Bender "permanently provoked me by farting all the time." "
Ah...so say we all
It is a prayer I have my children say before bedtime every night.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
without Soriano
you don’t win the division on 07, and maybe not 08. Let’s include ALL the context, shall we?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Then let's include it all
If the Cubs had not acquired Soriano, they would have picked up someone else who may have well done better than Soriano and wouldn’t have crippled the team in the future.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Pick one
Antonio Alfonseca Texas Rangers RHRP FA Juan Iglesias 34
Edgardo Alfonzo New York Mets 3B Minors Peter Greenberg 32
Sandy Alomar Jr. Chicago White Sox C 25-man John Boggs 40
Moises Alou San Francisco Giants RF 25-man Fernando Cuza 40 P
Tony Armas Jr. Washington Nationals RHSP 25-man Diego Bentz 28
Pedro Astacio Washington Nationals RHSP 25-man Steve Schnieder 36
Rich Aurilia Cincinnati Reds 3B 25-man Barry Axelrod 34 M
Jeff Bagwell Houston Astros 1B 60-Day Barry Axelrod 38 T
Paul Bako Kansas City Royals C 25-man Barry Meister 34
Rod Barajas Texas Rangers C 25-man Danny Horwits, Dan Lozano 30
Miguel Batista Arizona Diamondbacks RHSP 25-man Martin Arburua 35
Tony Batista Minnesota Twins 3B FA Andy Mota 32
David Bell Milwaukee Brewers 3B 25-man Joe Bick, Reich, Katz and Landis 33
Mark Bellhorn San Diego Padres 3B 25-man Mark Rodgers 32
Ronnie Belliard St. Louis Cardinals 2B 25-man 31
Gary Bennett St. Louis Cardinals C 25-man 34
Craig Biggio Houston Astros 2B 25-man Barry Axelrod 40
Henry Blanco Chicago Cubs C 25-man Steve Schneider 35
Geoff Blum San Diego Padres 3B 25-man 33
Barry Bonds San Francisco Giants LF 25-man Jeff Borris/None 42
Aaron Boone Cleveland Indians 3B 25-man Reich, Katz and Landis 33 M
Joe Borowski Florida Marlins RHRP 25-man 35
Chad Bradford New York Mets RHRP 25-man Rex Gary 31
Russell Branyan San Diego Padres 3B 25-man Dan Lozano 30 T
Doug Brocail San Diego Padres RHRP 25-man 39
Jim Brower Florida Marlins RHRP Minors Rex Gary 33
Mark Buerhle Chicago White Sox LHSP 25-man Jeff Berry 27 T
Jeromy Burnitz Pittsburgh Pirates RF 25-man Howard Simon 37 M
Miguel Cairo New York Yankees 2B 15-Day Sam and Seth Levinson 32
Mike Cameron San Diego Padres CF 25-man Mike Nicotera, Gene Casaleggio 33 T
Giovanni Carrara Los Angeles Dodgers RHRP DFA 38
Sean Casey Detroit Tigers 1B 25-man Ron Shapiro 32
Vinny Castilla Colorado Rockies 3B Minors Eric Goldschmidt 39
Juan Castro Cincinnati Reds SS 25-man Oscar Suarez 34 T
Frank Catalanotto Toronto Blue Jays LF 25-man Alan Nero 32
Bruce Chen Baltimore Orioles LHSP 25-man Scott Boras 29
Jeff Cirillo Milwaukee Brewers 3B 25-man Jeff Borris 36
Royce Clayton Cincinnati Reds SS 25-man Rick Licht, Ken Felder 36
Roger Clemens Houston Astros RHSP 25-man Randy and Alan Hendricks 44
Jeff Conine Philadelphia Phillies 1B 25-man Joe McIntosh, Michael Watkins 40 M
Alex Cora Boston Red Sox SS 25-man 30
Francisco Cordero Milwaukee Brewers RHRP 25-man Bean Stringfellow 31 T
Craig Counsell Arizona Diamondbacks SS 25-man Barry Meister 36
Jacob Cruz New York Mets RF Minors 33
Jose Cruz Jr. Los Angeles Dodgers LF FA Randy and Alan Hendricks 32
Vic Darensbourg Cleveland Indians LHRP Minors 35
Mike DeJean Colorado Rockies RHRP 15-Day Mike Moye, Mils Shoda 35 M
David Dellucci Philadelphia Phillies LF 25-man Gregg Clifton 32
Mark DeRosa Texas Rangers 2B 25-man Lonnie Cooper 31
Mike DiFelice New York Mets C 25-man 37
Octavio Dotel New York Yankees RHRP 25-man Danny Horwits 32
Erubiel Durazo Minnesota Twins 1B FA Diego Bentz 31
Ray Durham San Francisco Giants 2B 25-man Ed Setlik 34
Jermaine Dye Chicago White Sox RF 25-man Bob Bry 32 T
Ramon E. Martinez Los Angeles Dodgers SS 25-man Alan Nero 33
Damion Easley Arizona Diamondbacks 2B 25-man Paul Cohen 36
Adam Eaton Texas Rangers RHSP 25-man Jim Lindell 28
Jim Edmonds St. Louis Cardinals CF 25-man Paul Cohen 36 T
Joey Eischen Washington Nationals LHRP 60-Day Alan Nero 36
Alan Embree San Diego Padres LHRP 25-man Chris Leible, Michael Maas 36
Scott Erickson New York Yankees RHSP FA 38
Darin Erstad Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim CF 15-Day Greg Genske 32
Shawn Estes San Diego Padres LHSP 60-Day Dave Meier 33
Carl Everett Seattle Mariners DH FA Larry Reynolds 35
Pedro Feliz San Francisco Giants 3B 25-man 31
Robert Fick Washington Nationals C 25-man Joe Longo 32
Steve Finley San Francisco Giants CF 25-man Tommy Tanzer 41 T
Cliff Floyd New York Mets LF 15-Day Sam and Seth Levinson 33
Keith Foulke Boston Red Sox RHRP 25-man Danny Horwits 33 M
Ryan Franklin Cincinnati Reds RHRP 25-man Jay Franklin 33
Aaron Fultz Philadelphia Phillies LHRP 25-man 32
Eric Gagne Los Angeles Dodgers CL 15-Day Scott Boras 30 T
Nomar Garciaparra Los Angeles Dodgers 1B 25-man Arn Tellem 33
Tom Glavine New York Mets LHSP 25-man Gregg Clifton 40 T/P
Chris Gomez Baltimore Orioles 2B 25-man Alan Meersand 35
Luis Gonzalez Arizona Diamondbacks LF 25-man Greg Genske, Terry Bross 38 M
Alex Gonzalez Boston Red Sox SS 15-Day Eric Goldschmidt 29
Jeremi Gonzalez Milwaukee Brewers RHRP 25-man 31
Alex S. Gonzalez Philadelphia Phillies 3B Retired Jim Bronner 33
Tony Graffanino Milwaukee Brewers 3B 25-man Dan Lozano, Jeff Borris 34
Todd Greene San Francisco Giants C 25-man Mike Nicotera 35
Jason Grimsley Arizona Diamondbacks RHRP FA Joe Bick 39
Eddie Guardado Cincinnati Reds LHRP 15-Day Kevin Kohler 35
Jose Guillen Washington Nationals RF 15-Day Gregg Clifton (fired Andy Mota and Adam Katz) 30
Jerry Hairston Jr. Texas Rangers 2B 25-man Casey Close 30
John Halama Baltimore Orioles LHRP FA 34
Chris Hammond Cincinnati Reds LHRP FA Bo McKinnis 40
LaTroy Hawkins Baltimore Orioles RHRP 25-man Larry Reynolds 33
Rick Helling Milwaukee Brewers RHSP 25-man 35
Wes Helms Florida Marlins 3B 25-man Lonnie Cooper 30
Matt Herges Florida Marlins RHRP 25-man 36
Dustin Hermanson Chicago White Sox RHRP 15-Day Casey Close 33 T
Roberto Hernandez New York Mets RHRP 25-man Randy and Alan Hendricks 41
Orlando Hernandez New York Mets RHSP 25-man Greg Genske 36
Jose Hernandez Philadelphia Phillies SS 25-man Scott Boras 37
Richard Hidalgo New York Yankees RF MFA Peter Greenberg 31
Shea Hillenbrand San Francisco Giants 1B 25-man Dan Lozano (fired Adam Katz) 31
Todd Hollandsworth Cincinnati Reds LF 25-man 33
Mike Holtz Boston Red Sox LHRP FA 33
Aubrey Huff Houston Astros 3B 25-man 29
Torii Hunter Minnesota Twins CF 25-man Patrick Murphy 31 T
Damian Jackson Washington Nationals 2B FA 33
Kevin Jarvis Arizona Diamondbacks RHRP Minors Barry Meister 37
Jason Johnson Boston Red Sox RHSP DFA Tommy Tanzer, Alan Nero 32 M
Brian Jordan Atlanta Braves 1B 60-Day Jim Turner 39
Gabe Kapler Boston Red Sox RF 25-man Paul Cohen 31
Steve Karsay Oakland Athletics RHRP Retired Randy and Alan Hendricks 34
Adam Kennedy Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim 2B 25-man 30
Byung-Hyun Kim Colorado Rockies RHSP 25-man Greg Genske, Victor Lee 27 T
Ray King Colorado Rockies LHRP 25-man Dave Meier 32 T
Ryan Klesko San Diego Padres LF 15-Day SFX 35 T
Steve Kline San Francisco Giants LHRP 25-man 34
Dan Kolb Milwaukee Brewers RHRP 25-man Scott Boras 31
Tim Laker Cleveland Indians C Minors 36
Matt Lawton Seattle Mariners RF FA Sam and Seth Levinson 34
Ricky Ledee New York Mets LF DFA Greg Genske 32
Travis Lee Tampa Bay Devil Rays 1B 25-man Scott Boras 31
Carlos Lee Texas Rangers LF 25-man Adam Katz, Himself (briefly switched to Scott Boras during Aug. 2006) 30
Cory Lidle New York Yankees RHSP 25-man Jordan Feagan 34
Mike Lieberthal Philadelphia Phillies C 25-man Arn Tellem 34
Ted Lilly Toronto Blue Jays LHSP 25-man 30
Jose Lima New York Mets RHSP Minors Joe Klein 33
Kenny Lofton Los Angeles Dodgers CF 25-man Casey Close 39
Terrence Long New York Yankees LF Minors Casey Close 30
Javy Lopez Boston Red Sox C 25-man Chuck Berry 35
Mark Loretta Boston Red Sox 2B 25-man Bob Garber 35
Julio Lugo Los Angeles Dodgers SS 25-man Jeff Borris 30
John Mabry Chicago Cubs RF 25-man Dale Reichley 35
Greg Maddux Los Angeles Dodgers RHSP 25-man Scott Boras 40
Matt Mantei Detroit Tigers RHRP MFA Bob Garber 33
Jason Marquis St. Louis Cardinals RHSP 25-man 28
Eli Marrero New York Mets LF DFA Sam and Seth Levinson 32
Tom Martin Colorado Rockies LHRP 25-man 36
Gary Matthews Jr. Texas Rangers CF 25-man Danny Horwits 32
Joe Mays Cincinnati Reds RHSP Minors Steve Hilliard, Joe Urbon 30
Quinton McCracken Minnesota Twins CF Minors 36
Joe McEwing Houston Astros 1B Minors 33
Brian Meadows Tampa Bay Devil Rays RHRP 25-man Dan Horwits 30
Gil Meche Seattle Mariners RHSP 25-man Greg Landry 27
Kent Mercker Cincinnati Reds LHRP 60-Day Casey Close 38
Lou Merloni Cleveland Indians 3B 40-man 35
Jose Mesa Colorado Rockies RHRP 25-man Mitch Frankel 40 T
Doug Mientkiewicz Kansas City Royals 1B 15-Day Greg Landry 32
Kevin Millar Baltimore Orioles 1B 25-man Sam and Seth Levinson 34
Trever Miller Houston Astros LHRP 25-man 33 T
Damian Miller Milwaukee Brewers C 25-man Bob Garber 36 T/P
Doug Mirabelli Boston Red Sox C 25-man 35
Brian Moehler Florida Marlins RHSP 25-man Lonnie Cooper 34
Bengie Molina Toronto Blue Jays C 25-man Alan Nero 32 M
Guillermo Mota New York Mets RHRP 25-man Adam Katz 33
Jamie Moyer Philadelphia Phillies LHSP 25-man Himself 43 M
Mark Mulder St. Louis Cardinals LHSP 25-man Gregg Clifton and Octagon Sports Mgt. 29
Terry Mulholland Arizona Diamondbacks LHRP FA Joe Bick 43
Mike Mussina New York Yankees RHSP 15-Day Arn Tellem 37 T
Jeff Nelson Chicago White Sox RHRP 15-Day Ron Shapiro, Jay Franklin 39
Phil Nevin Chicago Cubs 1B 25-man Barry Axelrod 35
Trot Nixon Boston Red Sox RF 15-Day Ron Shapiro 32
Greg Norton Tampa Bay Devil Rays 1B 25-man Michael Moye 34
Tomo Ohka Milwaukee Brewers RHSP 25-man Jim Masteralexis 30
Darren Oliver New York Mets LHRP 25-man Jeff Frye, Jay Franklin 35
Ramon Ortiz Washington Nationals RHSP 25-man Pat Roache 33
Vicente Padilla Texas Rangers RHSP 25-man 28
Chan Ho Park San Diego Padres RHSP 15-Day Scott Boras 33
Jay Payton Oakland Athletics LF 25-man Reich, Katz and Landis 33
Troy Percival Detroit Tigers RHRP 60-Day Paul Cohen 37
Eduardo Perez Seattle Mariners 1B 25-man 36 T
Tomas Perez Tampa Bay Devil Rays SS 25-man 32
Andy Pettitte Houston Astros LHSP 25-man Randy and Alan Hendricks 34
Mike Piazza San Diego Padres C 25-man Dan Lozano 37 M
Juan Pierre Chicago Cubs CF 25-man Mark Pieper 29
Cliff Politte Chicago White Sox RHRP FA 32
Sidney Ponson New York Yankees RHSP FA Barry Praver 29
Todd Pratt Atlanta Braves C 25-man Himself (fired agent Peter Grosz after 2005 season) 39
Brad Radke Minnesota Twins RHSP 25-man Ron Simon 33
Joe Randa Pittsburgh Pirates 3B 25-man Ron Shapiro 36
Mark Redman Kansas City Royals LHSP 25-man Casey Close 32
Desi Relaford St. Louis Cardinals SS MFA Dan Lozano, Danny Horwits 32
Mike Remlinger Atlanta Braves LHRP FA 40
Arthur Rhodes Philadelphia Phillies LHRP 25-man Dan Horwits 36
David Riske Chicago White Sox RHRP 25-man 29
Dave Roberts San Diego Padres LF 25-man John Boggs 34
Felix Rodriguez Washington Nationals RHRP 60-Day Fernando Cuza, Bob Bry 33
J.C. Romero Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim LHRP 25-man Don Lozano 30 T
Tim Salmon Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim DH 25-man Ted Updike 38
Julio Santana Philadelphia Phillies RHRP 60-Day Scott Shapiro 32
Scott Sauerbeck Oakland Athletics LHRP 25-man Adam Hubble 34
Jason Schmidt San Francisco Giants RHSP 25-man Randy and Alan Hendricks 33
Scott Schoeneweis Cincinnati Reds LHRP 25-man Scott Boras 32
Rudy Seanez Boston Red Sox RHRP DFA David Schwartz 37 T
Aaron Sele Los Angeles Dodgers RHSP 25-man Adam Katz 36
Gary Sheffield New York Yankees RF 15-Day Himself (contract), Rufus Williams (PR) and Mead Chasky (marketing) and Scott Boras (former agent) 37 T
Ruben Sierra Minnesota Twins DH FA Chuck Berry 40
John Smoltz Atlanta Braves RHSP 25-man Lonnie Cooper 39 T
J.T. Snow Boston Red Sox 1B FA Danny Horwits 38
Alfonso Soriano Washington Nationals LF 25-man Diego Bentz 30
Justin Speier Toronto Blue Jays RHRP 15-Day 32
Scott Spiezio St. Louis Cardinals 3B 25-man Barry Meister 33
Russ Springer Houston Astros RHRP 25-man Randy and Alan Hendricks 37
Matt Stairs Texas Rangers RF 25-man Bob Garber 38
Mike Stanton San Francisco Giants LHRP 25-man Sam and Seth Levinson 39
Shannon Stewart Minnesota Twins LF 15-Day Greg Genske 32
Kelly Stinnett New York Mets C Minors 36
Tanyon Sturtze New York Yankees RHRP 60-Day 35
Jeff Suppan St. Louis Cardinals RHSP 25-man Scott Leventhal and Damon Lapa (fired agent Jeff Borris of agency BHSC) 31
Fernando Tatis Baltimore Orioles 3B 25-man 31
Frank Thomas Oakland Athletics DH 25-man Arn Tellem, Mike Moye 38
John Thomson Atlanta Braves RHSP 15-Day Chris Arnold 32
Mike Timlin Boston Red Sox RHRP 25-man Himself (Fired David Sloane as agent in Oct. 2005) 40
Steve Trachsel New York Mets RHSP 25-man Sam and Seth Levinson 35
Michael Tucker New York Mets RF 25-man Michael Moss 35
Javier Valentin Cincinnati Reds C 25-man SFX 30
Jose Valentin New York Mets LF 25-man David Elston 36
Ron Villone New York Yankees LHRP 25-man Scott Boras 36
Jose Vizcaino St. Louis Cardinals SS 25-man Adam Katz 38
Tim Wakefield Boston Red Sox RHSP 15-Day Barry Meister 40 T
Jamie Walker Detroit Tigers LHRP 25-man Phil Tannenbaum 35
Todd Walker San Diego Padres 1B 25-man Alan Meersand, Greg Genske, Brian Carlin 33
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Are you sure you don't have too much time on your hands?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
What it really proves is that
he doesn’t have an answer, VCF.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Aug 1, 2010 4:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I gave the answer above.
The response was “Eh”, which I don’t really understand.
MLBMilestone.com - following the numbers to Cooperstown
by D98 on Aug 1, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I estimate that post at 39 inches tall
You could make a pretty decent tee-baller out of it.
What the hell, man?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Indeed.
And why on Earth did we need to know their agents?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It was a simple cut and paste
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Maddux at trade deadline?
Let’s see a great baseball mind and a world class poker player, I think if he wanted to , he could found a way to trade
Theriot & Z for Votto. Seriously I think he would be awesome at trading but it is not something he is likely interested in.
I would not be surprised if Hendry asked Maddux about DeWitt at least.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
Supposedly he did. I believe I read that from Miles but I'm not certain.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
OT: Am I the only one that thinks Ken Rosenthal should stay away from the mic and stick to writing?
I don’t doubt he’s well-connected in the baseball industry and writes pretty good columns, but man, does he sound awkward on these little in-game bits he does during Fox telecasts. Very stilted, almost like he’s reading it off a prompter.
Stick to the pen, Ken…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
The. Delay. In His. Reports. Drives. This Fan. Crazy.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 31, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
...
"They say you don’t win a pennant in April, but you can sure lose one." - Ryan Dempster
"Stuttgart Kickers soccer player Sascha Bender once suffered a facial injury after being punched. The assailant, teammate Christian Okpala, said Bender "permanently provoked me by farting all the time." "
Theriot has been a whipping boy here for sure and deservedly so.
The thing about is though is that we already had capable alternatives at his position that could have started in his place at any time. The fact that we got another Fontenot in return is what is so aggravating.
You should have seen the thread at True Blue LA regarding this trade.
I’m a member there, so I can post comments. It looked like the guys there were cutting loose with as many profane words as they could muster.
They were nicer when Wrigleyrocker and I made comments, we gave each other insight, but I lurked both before and after I posted there and they were not very happy about it.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions