Lilly, Theriot to Dodgers for Blake DeWitt
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oh boy if this prospect is not a good one...
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That other player better be one hell of a prospect
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2010 1:12 PM CDT reply actions
Jim's
collection of mediocre middle infielders continues to grow. What exactly does DeWitt offer that Fontenot doesnt?
He's six years younger
And can play a better third base.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
sweet
he plays a decent backup 3rd base and is a younger not good hitting player. We got that instead of two picks if we had kept Lilly
He can field
like a 3rd baseman, but he can’t hit like a third baseman, unfortunately.
DEJESUS!!!
I recieved a tweet from Rosenthal
that said… “Cubs would gt DeWitt, Class AA pitcher and POSSIBLY third player for Lilly/Theriot package. Not sure of the financial exchange.”
SUCKS!
At least the TOOTBLANs will go down, he he
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Well, looks like we got that slugging second baseman we've been missing since Ryno retired...
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It's got to be
Brett Wallach. Tim’s son. There’s no Brett Walch.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Farewell...
To Ted… you have been a pleasure over the years! Will miss the passion you brought to the game. The Riot, your scrappiness will be missed (not your baserunning!)
well
just about anything that gets rid of Riot is good, although I’ll certainly miss Uncle Ted.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
Because we are not going anywhere this year.
And DeWitt is a better player than anyone we have at second. Yes, including Fontenot.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
We could've have gotten draft picks for Lilly this off-season though
by letting him sign somewhere else
by TooMuch2Gain on Jul 31, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Add to that PAYING LA 2.5 million freaking dollars.
That’s the part that really pisses me off.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 31, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions
They wanted MORE money than that.
The Cubs actually save about $2m in this deal.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
This deal is the crowning glory of Hendry's failure.
Do you ever, EVER think that Hendry would have passed on the Kelly Johnson for Theriot deal — and taken the Blake DeWitt for Lilly AND Theriot deal — if money wasn’t an object?
As an aside, I could care less how much time Hendry spends on the phones every day, or what the budgets involved are. I can guarantee that a large number of BCB posters spend more time working the phones at their jobs every day, and that many make judgments concerning millions of dollars all the time.
This was a bad deal, because it does nothing to help the 2011-12 Cubs. If Ted winds up as a Type A, it was a colossally bad deal, because it HURT the future of the franchise.
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I'll beg to differ with you, because...
… by 2012 Brett Wallach could help the team. And Blake DeWitt could become a decent second baseman.
Yes, absolutely, this was partly about money. I think we knew that going in.
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Brett Wallach is in low-A. He won't be helping the team in 2012.
Blake DeWitt is not the kind of talent that the Cubs should be interested in acquiring. He’s a backup player.
Kelly Johnson was not only available, he was offered on a platter.
Any reasonable actor would have preferred the Johnson deal. The fact that the Cubs had to take the DeWitt deal demonstrates pretty conclusively how badly Hendry has f’ed this situation up.
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No, it simply demonstrated how they wanted salary relief.
Johnson is likely due a large raise in arbitration next year. The Cubs, presumably, decided they didn’t want that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
What's a big raise from $2.3M?
How much do you think that Kelly Johnson will be earning next year? I’m willing to bet that John Grabow earns more.
Kelly Johnson is a demonstrably better player than Blake DeWitt.
If the Cubs are, for salary reasons, willing to – or forced to – settle for the DeWitts of the world instead of the Kelly Johnsons, then there is a serious, serious problem.
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Johnson is having a very good year.
He could easily be making $5 million next year.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That would not be a problem at all.
The Cubs will be saving half that just by losing Theriot’s $2.6M from the books.
Plus, $3.3M from Nady’s expiring deal, $3M from Shark’s, $12M from Lilly’s… you could find a place to roster a $5M 2B with a 122 OPS+, if winning was your primary objective, instead of saving a relatively little bit of money.
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by D98 on Aug 1, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
If that is true
and the Cubs are willing to take a significantly more limited player due to a few million dollars in cost difference, then the Cubs really aren’t committed to winning next year.
This trade does notthing to bring the Cubs closer to a championship. I don’t see what Dewitt brings to the table that was missing between Baker and Fontenot.
DEJESUS!!!
It's too early to tell that.
They only save 2 million if we keep DeWitt. If he fizzles out al a Miles, we’re on the hook for 2.5 million with lukewarm prospects. I admit I don’t know much about DeWitt, but what I have heard isn’t fantastic…“average at best speed” according to Len, a batting average we can only hope increases. His defense is supposed to be better, but really we’ve seen a lot of Neifi, Cedeno, etc at SS that is only there for defensive purposes. As I say, I don’t know this was a bad deal yet from hearing more about it…but I sure don’t think we’ve saved money yet.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 1, 2010 4:11 AM CDT up reply actions
And I mean this because if we don't want DeWitt
we will need to sign someone else…or accept a team with rebuilding as its primary focus. We can hope Fonty suddenly becomes a good hitter as an everyday player, but history has shown that he’s unlikely to be better than a platoon 2B. What I think will happen is DeWitt hits ok, Fonty is streaky and platoons at least fairly regularly, and we end up with a situation compareable to this year…which is not going to help us compete…but will save us money. So in that sense you may be right, we end up saving money in that scenario, but not in the way you hope for. I hope I’m very wrong and DeWitt becomes a low cost phenom.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 1, 2010 4:19 AM CDT up reply actions
WTF?
So we gave away our #3, quite possibly our #2starter, and Theriot for a guy who has similar stats at the same position? Are you kidding me? I would have rather had the Zambrano for Perez and Castillo deal.
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by Ron Trauma on Jul 31, 2010 1:16 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
They save about $3+M
and get Lilly on a contender. It’s not so much about the return, I don’t think. I wouldn’t have been surprised if Lilly went to Hendry to ask for a trade and Hendry accomodated him as best he could.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 31, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
With Hendry trying to shop Big Z and Lilly gone...
Hendry surely must have a game plan for the 2011 rotation, right? Demp, Gorzo, Wells and………………?
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
I would assume we go after a starter --
and we insert Cashner into the rotation.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
We can re-sign Lilly
He’s a FA at the end of the year.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd at least explore the possibility.
A two year deal with a mutual option? Doable.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
If we can get an ace also, I might think about it.
But I would go after Cliff Lee if possible, if we can at least trade Zambrano and Fukudome after the season. But that’s not looking likely at this point.
Maybe next year is finally our year.
I'd do that in a heartbeat.
Cliff Lee is the kind of player that teams with championship aspirations should try to acquire.
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That would be the ultimate irony -
…the Cubs sending their 2011 #2 pick to LAA as compensation for re-signing Lilly.
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Why? His career is on the downhill side
the Cubs need younger and better
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 1, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Provided that the Dodgers don't offer him arbitration.
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The money falling off the books for Pierre, Schmidt, Nomar, etc. easily pay for Lilly.
Not to mention Manny’s $20M, Kuroda’s $13M, etc.
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Kemp, Either and Billingsley
are all due big raises. Plus, they’re going to have to sign a bat to replace Manny.
It’s possible they offer Lilly arb, but since they didn’t offer Wolf arb, I doubt it.
by Josh Timmers on Aug 1, 2010 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah both situations are a mess.
I would love to see Lilly resigned, but doing so assumes we can offer the best contract. With Ricketts having a debt load discussed on this blog, it will be interesting to see if he is willing to keep the current payroll next year. I don’t know what will happen, but I sure would want Lilly on my team anytime.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 1, 2010 4:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Cashner
is not ready for the rotation. At all. And the Cubs aren’t even trying to get him ready despite the lost season.
DEJESUS!!!
Teddy ballgame will be missed
Theriot, not so much.
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I don't get this, Dewitt looks incredibly mediocre
If we’re paying a lot of Lilly’s money, and giving up Theriot (who isn’t very good, but still), shouldn’t we do a lot better than this? Now we have Dewitt, who sucks. He’s at second next year? ugh.
Superteams suck.
Agreed. This is a move forced by years and years of incompetence.
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The market for Lilly was really weak
Nobody really wanted him. Sucks, but that’s life.
by JSB on Aug 1, 2010 7:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Wallach...
“15) Brett Wallach, RHP, Grade C+: The Dodgers love bloodlines. I like the scouting reports about Wallach but we need a larger sample size.” http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/12/26/1220274/los-angeles-dodgers-top-20
Yea, Hendry sucks
Everyone that was screaming for Lou’s head needs to take a look at what this guy has done the past couple years. What a joke. All he’s good for is overpaying guys and giving no trade clauses.
Superteams suck.
2 draft picks
First, no guarantee that Ted declines arb, second no guarantee that he was a Type A free agent. If this was the best that they could get for him (and it sounds like it was) such is life. Then again I think this community overrates Ted Lilly, so I am in the minority that won’t miss him.
by JSB on Jul 31, 2010 1:19 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
So what? It's still a lousy trade.
Even if Ted is Type B, it’s a bad trade.
This is the kind of deal that Houston makes when they realize they’ve spent badly and need to jettison talent for payroll relief.
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Yeah that was exactly what I was hoping we would avoid when I saw the Houston trade.
Houston waited too long to rid themselves of an unhappy Oswalt and took a stinky deal. Or at the least they took a deal they shouldn’t have. I think this deal smacks of similar desperation to get something of Lilly and Theriot gone …and was a bad idea…but I hope I’m wrong and the prospects turn out to be good, and DeWitt is a phenom.
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by Sandberg's evil twin on Aug 1, 2010 4:24 AM CDT up reply actions
You expect a phenom and 2 good prospects for player that was going to walk in free agency and one that the club was going to non-tender?
You have pretty high expectations especially when you see what AZ got for a really good pitcher like Haren who is under contract for 2 more seasons. The Cubs players didn’t have a lot of value and Hendry definitely got the better of this deal.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 1, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree
First, you have the risk that Ted accepts. Last thing we want is to re-sign Ted and use up our scarce monetary resources on something that is duplicative of what we already have. Second, I think the three players are better than what we would get if Lilly was a type B. I think you are overrating draft picks. A lot of them don’t pan out. It looks like Wallach is a decent prospect, borderline top 10 in a decent system. DeWitt isn’t anything special, but he is a former first-round pick and he is at least a league-average second baseman at the minimum for the next couple years. Either he reaches his potential or the Cubs tread water until something better becomes available or Lee is ready. I think you are overrating the draft picks and underrating the prospects we got. Especially since it is apparently likely that Lilly will be Type B.
by JSB on Aug 1, 2010 8:02 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
2011 doesn't matter. If Ted accepts, that's another 8 figures falling off the payroll in 2012.
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by D98 on Aug 1, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
But why would you want to pay $12MM or more for a 4th starter when you are trying to pay down debt and you have young pitchers ready to move up?
It would make very little sense to pay Lilly that kind of money at his age and when his performance has declined this season.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 1, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Good question
it seems some here have a hard time letting go of their favorites players
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 2, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Dodgers fans over at True Blue LA really seem to like DeWitt
They say “He’s a gamer and a tough overall player.”
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2010 1:19 PM CDT reply actions
what about Theriot?
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They hate him already
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
did SWL start posting there, he he
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alot
of people used to say that about Theriot
Wallach is 6-0 in A ball right now.
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2010 1:20 PM CDT reply actions
I knew it
Lots of people complaining about the Lilly return. Rent-a-pitchers don’t get much return nowadays unless you are talking an ace.
Why not just take the draft picks then?
Superteams suck.
by Juiceboxjerry on Jul 31, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe these pitchers would be better than that.
Also got a younger starting 2B.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Blake DeWitt is not a starting 2B.
He’s never, ever shown the type of talent that a major market team should be eyeing for a starting job.
He’s a borderline MLB player. The Cubs should be looking way, WAY higher than this for a starting 2B.
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He's only 24 and the Dodgers have kind of jerked him around moving him from 3rd to 2nd.
It’s way too soon to judge what kind of player DeWitt will be. His OPS has been climbing though which is not true of the guy they gave up for him.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 1, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
At worse DeWitt is a lefty hitting Theriot who costs a fraction as much.
At best, he could become a lot better than Theriot. We have seen Theriot’s best, and it is nothing all that special. I suspect we have not seen DeWitt’s best yet.
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 2, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
First Lilly may not get Type A
and two Wallach looks like a decent prospect. Draft picks aren’t a sure thing.
More on Wallach
Pick 4: Brett Wallach, RHP (Orange Coast JC)
Scouting Report: The son of a former major leaguer (it seems like I say that every year), Wallach won Southern California JC Player of the Year honors this spring for his contributions at the plate and on the mound. A closer last season, Brett moved into the rotation and dominated. His fastball sits around 90 and he spots it well. He also throws a reliable slurvy slider and a changeup that is often his best pitch. He’s athletic and projectable, with an easy delivery.
Analysis: Wallach shouldn’t have a hard time moving through the lower minors, being able to throw 3 quality pitches for strikes. His fastball could become plus down the road as his 6’2 185 lbs frame fills out. While the Dodgers love them some arm-strength guys, Brett is a pitcher first who could develop plus velocity in the future. Even if his velocity doesn’t improve, he could reach the majors as a back end starter.
http://thinkbluela.blogspot.com/2009/06/mlb-draft-day-1-review.html
Wallach is a decent prospect
and I like Smit’s numbers in A+ ball this year, although I don’t know much about him.
I don't know much about Wallach
Seems to have a good K rate but walks a few too many. Still a decent trade IMO.
I'd rather have DeWitt over Theriot.
It could be worse. I don’t see anything wrong with this trade.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
I would NEVER pencil Blake DeWitt in as a starting 2B.
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You wouldn't.
Many of the rest of us would. He’s still young enough that he could get better.
Give the guy a chance before you write him off.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
He's been a pro ballplayer for a long time.
At what point has anyone ever said “Hey, Blake DeWitt, that guy looks like an above-average player”?
He is, at best, a Fontenot-level backup at 2B and 3B.
As we already employ the actual Mike Fontenot, I fail to see how this deal was worth passing on Kelly Johnson.
Except for the fact that it was motivated by money. A motivation caused, in its entirety, by Hendry’s absurd failure as GM.
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Bobby Cox didn't think much
Of Johnson’s talent. Good enough for me as you don’t see many prospects turn out well that they give up on.
by LT on Jul 31, 2010 8:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
This is what all your bitching is about
It has nothing to do with the actual trade that was made and everything to do with the idea that we passed up Kelly Johnson. I don’t really believe that other deal was actually available. Sounds too good to be true. If it was you might have a beef, but it’s far too speculative in my opinion. Besides, I don’t think Kelly Johnson is the long-term answer at 2B either, so I don’t see the point in paying him $4-5 million in a non-contending year. I would rather go after Rickie Weeks for 2012.
by JSB on Aug 1, 2010 8:07 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Multiple sources say that K. Johnson could have been acquired.
The Cubs were, presumably, scared off by KJ’s good performance this year and the raise he would presumably be due in arbitration.
So they went with Blake DeWitt.
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by D98 on Aug 1, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Again, you do not know for certain whether that deal could have been completed.
Also, as noted above, Johnson wouldn’t necessarily be the longterm answer at 2B. It has been pointed out that he is hitting very poorly away from Chase Field this year (.243/.324/.381).
I’ll take my chances with DeWitt, who is three years younger than Johnson and still could get better.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
True - we can only go by what was reported.
And what was reported was “D-Backs offer KJ for Theriot”.
Obviously, if someone was making that up from whole cloth, then it’s not worth discussing. But I seriously doubt that these sources were reporting something that had no basis in fact.
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 1, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
That's a really weird statement.
How can anyone “know” how the deal will ultimately play out?
We all know the facts as they were reported. We also know all of the salaries, ages, and past production of the players involved in the two potential trades. We draw our conclusions from those facts.
As it stands, I would much rather have offered Ted Lilly arbitration than accept such a middling return. Having Lilly in 2010, or having compensatory draft picks, is worth more to me than what the Cubs got in return.
Obviously, we have to wait and see how things will play out.
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I was referring to your presumptions about KJohnson
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 1, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Smit has also been pitching very well in the minors...
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2010 1:22 PM CDT reply actions
In 2010, maybe.
He’s had the absolute hell kicked out of him in every other season in his pro career.
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by D98 on Aug 1, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe he was not meant to be a starter
obviously the move to the pen agrees with him.
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 1, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
He's definitely doing a lot better this year.
He was a reliever last year, too, and got flat-out rocked at A-ball…. then was promoted to A+, and made 5 starts with a 7.84 ERA.
He may eventually become an MLB reliever. It definitely could happen. Granted, I wouldn’t bet on it. I’m probably a little bit over-annoyed at this board’s propensity to hype the everloving crap out of every low-end middle relief prospect Hendry acquires.
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Lots more here writing Smit off than over-hyping him
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by lookingdeadred on Aug 1, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the deal
Good prospects considering we did get some salary relief.
Somebody take Aramis' bat off the restricted list, please.
Will miss the Ted
I sure hope he is in the conversation next year as a Free agent signing.
Ted was a solid pitcher who was one of Hendry’s better signings.
Theriot never got any better.
Dewitt has a 1 WAR/ theriot has a NEGATIVE -0.1 WAR. If you go by xFIP he has been our worst starting pitcher.
by LouPiniellaIsRetiring on Jul 31, 2010 1:24 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
In the papers
thye said this was essentially Theriot for Dewitt, and Lilly for the 2 prospects, based on how the negotiations went down. It sounds like the prospects for Lilly part was negotiated, then Hendry asked for Theriot for Dewitt to be included. That forced more money to be changed hands.
If that’s the case, I’m ok wth the Dewitt part. I wouldn’t have expected to get anything of significance back for Theriot, and Dewitt is a usefull spare part.
I’m not thrilled with the prospects we got back, particularly since we sent money in the deal. But since Lilly being type A and the Cubs offering arbitration were both unknowns, I guess I can live with it.
It’s certainly nothing that helps the Cubs win in the short term. Dewitt seems like a solid, albeit low-upside reserve player, and the prospects seem several years away and have ceilings that aren’t super-exciting (middle reliever and mid-backend rotation).
I was hoping for a deal that made me a little more excited or optimistic about the future. What I got was, eh, I guess I can live with this. Sigh.
DEJESUS!!!
Lilly wasn't nearly the commodity we expected
Not many contenders viewed him as an upgrade over what they already had and certainly none were willing to give up a top-notch prospect. The national writers (Olney, Stark etc) were all pretty pessimistic on the Cubs getting value for Lilly. The Type A arb thing would have been nice, but I think there was a legitimate concern that he would accept which would have been the worst case scenario.
by JSB on Aug 1, 2010 8:11 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
THIS
Lilly wasn’t bringing back a top 50 overall prospect, that expectation was a silly one. He had more perceived value based on FA type status than actual performance on the field. Once his type A status became shaky because of a lack of Wins, it was evident the price was going to come way down
I still think it comes down to how Lilly finishes up. If he achieves the Type A status, the trade is a little underwhelming because we’d rather have the potential for 2 picks in a loaded 2011 draft, but if he’s just a type B well… we got a solid prospect in Wallach (a little less than a sandwich rd pick), a back-end RP prospect (little value), and 4.5 years of a utility infielder who can bridge the gap inexpensively to the next starting 2B and provide the Jeff Baker role with less cost. That total package is probably a little better than one sandwich pick because of the reliability it provides and Wallach’s K Rate provides enough upside to dream a bit.
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