Cubs Trade Lilly And Theriot To Dodgers For DeWitt
by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2010 1:18 PM CDT
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PrintVia various sources, including MLB Network and this tweet from Jayson Stark, two key parts of the Cubs' 2007 and 2008 playoff club are now members of the Los Angeles Dodgers:
Deal done. #Cubs sending Lilly & Theriot to Cubs for Blake DeWitt & minor lgers Brett Walch & Kyle Smit. LA also gets $2.5M. #trades
There's a typo in that tweet -- "Walch" is really Brett Wallach, son of former major leaguer Tim Wallach.
I don't know much about the minor leaguers; DeWitt likely gets installed as the Cubs' starting second baseman, and this also likely means Carlos Zambrano heads back to the rotation, and I'd guess Jeff Samardizja comes back from Iowa to the bullpen for the rest of the year.
Farewell to Ted, who did a wonderful job for nearly four years and was a great guy to have on the team. (This doesn't necessarily preclude the possibility that the Cubs could re-sign Ted as a free agent this winter.) Good luck to him, and also to Ryan Theriot -- who was the subject of much derision here, but you could never accuse him of not giving all-out effort.
Since Lilly and Theriot were the focus of trade rumors the last couple of days, my guess is that this will be the only Cubs deal before the deadline today.
Discuss.
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Don't know what to think about it
DeWitt and Theriot seem like a wash. How good are the pitching prospects?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 1:19 PM CDT reply actions
DeWitt is six years younger than Theriot.
And, he hits lefthanded. And, he’s not likely to TOOTBLAN as much.
For that alone, it’s an improvement.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Jul 31, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good points
Hate to see Lilly go, but …
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Lilly was going anyway
at the end of the year.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Not necessarily.
They could have offered arb.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And much cheaper
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
I just hope
we didn’t grab a younger Aaron Miles. I’ll give DeWitt a chance, as we all should, but our patience for him will be about the same we had for Miles, I think.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Cubs fans' patience with anybody
is way too short these days.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
That's because time is running out on making the 2010 playoffs
(ducks)
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
When will we start selling playoff tickets anyway?
I need to buy my plane ticket out so I can camp out.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 31, 2010 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
the Friendly Confines have not been that with the modern dfans
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
DeWitt is Fontenot, but better with the glove. From what I am reading
Wallach is really young, 21, and has put up solid numbers in Single A.
Kyle Smit just got the bump to AA Chattanooga
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=smit—001kyl
"It was a perfect situation for the Brewers," Hill said. "They had a guy up there at the plate [in Counsell] who takes a lot of pride in what he does and he practices those situations, so when it does come up, he gets the bunt down to the right side of the field. They have the perfect guy on first base [in Gomez], who is one of the fastest guys in the league, and they had one of the worst fundamental teams on the field, so it was a perfect situation for them."
by louslovechild on Jul 31, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for posting, LLC
I’m optimistic.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
hopefully DeWitt can start hitting a little more
"They say you don’t win a pennant in April, but you can sure lose one." - Ryan Dempster
"Stuttgart Kickers soccer player Sascha Bender once suffered a facial injury after being punched. The assailant, teammate Christian Okpala, said Bender "permanently provoked me by farting all the time." "
Pitching prospects look pretty good
Both righties, both young. Will wait for experts to chime in. Going to check Josh’s post just below this one now. The prospects will be the story of this deal.
Somebody take Aramis' bat off the restricted list, please.
Who is this Brett Walch?
I cant find his info anywhere, only Brett Wallach.
Stark mentioned
a type. It is Brett Wallach.
by thejoshbaker on Jul 31, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Look at me.
Misspelling typo. I’m great.
by thejoshbaker on Jul 31, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha, no worries.
At least your typo wasnt regurgitated around all of MLB. Even professional sites are now claiming Brett Walch. Way to do your own research guys!
Yup
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Tim Wallach
another underrated former Expo.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
very true NBF
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Drafted by the Los Angeles Dodgers in the 3rd round of the 2009 MLB June Amateur Draft.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Jul 31, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Brett Wallach
RHP here
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Jul 31, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
More on Wallach
Pick 4: Brett Wallach, RHP (Orange Coast JC)
Scouting Report: The son of a former major leaguer (it seems like I say that every year), Wallach won Southern California JC Player of the Year honors this spring for his contributions at the plate and on the mound. A closer last season, Brett moved into the rotation and dominated. His fastball sits around 90 and he spots it well. He also throws a reliable slurvy slider and a changeup that is often his best pitch. He’s athletic and projectable, with an easy delivery.
Analysis: Wallach shouldn’t have a hard time moving through the lower minors, being able to throw 3 quality pitches for strikes. His fastball could become plus down the road as his 6’2 185 lbs frame fills out. While the Dodgers love them some arm-strength guys, Brett is a pitcher first who could develop plus velocity in the future. Even if his velocity doesn’t improve, he could reach the majors as a back end starter.
http://thinkbluela.blogspot.com/2009/06/mlb-draft-day-1-review.html
by socalicubsfan on Jul 31, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Rec'd.
Though seeing Ted Lilly go overcomes how I feel about Theriot going.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
what do I do with my 7 Theriot jerseys?
one for each day of the week. Oh the humanity!
The 2010 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp ruled!!!!
Winter's coming
You could always use the extra kindling, right?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
or wear them all at the same time and cover them with a Lilly jersey
booyeah!
The 2010 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp ruled!!!!
Those are going to be collector items
Only 10 of them ever made…
Ryan
There goes the only base stealing threat we had with his +.275 avg…….Ted will be missed.
I think the Cubs will kick hell out of the Rockies tonight. Last night’s loss will be avenged tonight. Maybe even a good old bench clearing brawl. I have seen this happen many times in the past. Let’s hope so !
by If we only had Hubbs on Jul 31, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
There goes the onlybase stealing threatTOOTBLAN threat we had
Fixed.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
As Elvis Costello would sing
He’s not the only one. He’s just the most prolific one.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Jul 31, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey Al
pardon me but I have been away from this site for awhile. What is a TOOTBLAN ? Have I transgressed ?
by If we only had Hubbs on Jul 31, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
TOOTBLAN = Thrown Out On The Basepaths Like A Nincompoop
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That is making me laugh right now
so thanks !
by If we only had Hubbs on Jul 31, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm going against the grain here;
thank you Ryan Theriot for your years of service to the Cubs organization. From your early days in the Lugnuts lineup to the staring lineup in Wrigley field, you played the game hard and as a professional. You never blamed others for your shortcomings and always played to win.
Thank you.
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
by Zeke on Jul 31, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions 20 recs
rec'd
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Bleed Castro Blue
Never apologize for your tastes, I always say
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Oh, I'm not apologizing.
Riot’s been in the organization for a decade. He deserves a thank you for his service.
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
Fair enough
I got laughed at for being a Mark Bellhorn fan so I kinda know how it is.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Amen...
I don’t get why anyone personally attacks a guy who worked his butt off all the time and by all outward appearances was a decent guy. He never claimed he was Ernie Banks, so why hold him to that standard?
He did the best he could with what he had…which was better than average.
Thank him and wish him well.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 31, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Theriot
couldn’t even live up to Theriot’s standards.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice post, Z
Hail and farewell, Riot.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Im gonna miss our superman
No goodbyes Ted just a see you later!
"Women...you can't live without them, and they can't pee standing up." Rube Baker
Theroit never looked "happy" since loosing arbitration
I hope the change in scenery helps him .
Proud member of the Lee Elia 15% club!
It should help...
He and Lilly just picked up 8 games in the standings and are right back in the middle of a divisional race…if 7 games out is considered in the race, that is.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
If we're getting a second baseman back in return, I would think it would only make sense to trade either Fontenot or Baker
and that’s probably why it won’t happen
either one could be traded after today
they will clear waivers.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
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Not automatically.
$ is usually the biggest enabler for a player to clear waivers.
If somebody thought Fontenot or Baker could actually help another team… they might get claimed since their cost is low.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
You could be right, would the cubs pull them back from waivers, is the question.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
Avatar provided courtesy of AndrewJStone.
If someone put in a claim
I imagine Hendry would try to work a trade (likely a PTBNL) or simply allow them to be taken.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
it has?
Baker and/or Fontenot have been traded?
by HuskerCorner on Jul 31, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Read it
totally wrong. Thought you weren’t sure if the Theriot deal was confirmed.
by thejoshbaker on Jul 31, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Dewitt is really a 3B converted to a 2B
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
good luck to them both
I wish them well. Should be interesting with LAD trying to move Manny now, and the Sox are mentioned in trade rumors for him, not sure which way LAD is trying to go
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
well
all the dodgers fans are pissed off, so I say this is great success!
Yeah, but...
sports fans are prone to panic and mass suicide at the slightest hint of change.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jul 31, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
so are mother-in-laws :-)
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Does this mean the Z is back in the Rotation?
Since there was room for him before? UGH.
Yep.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
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Not so sure about that.
I would rather see them bring a guy up from the minors to fill the rotation spot, frankly. Zambrano needs to earn it back by pitching better and behaving for a while.
Not sure who’d they bring up; I thought I saw a note somewhere about their taking a look at one of the AA guys.
by Blue Heron on Jul 31, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I wish Ted Lilly well,
Though I’m going to miss seeing him in a Cubs uniform. He was one of my favorites, and took a picture with me at Dodger Stadium in August last year.
Now that’s his home stadium. SIIIIIGH
And I nearly joined the typo parade.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 1:24 PM CDT reply actions
I like
Wallach. I also like not having Theriot on the roster
CCO...
Brett Wallach was #Dodgers 20th best prospect prior to the season according to Baseball America
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Al, any chance of getting some insight from LAD's blog about the prospects?
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
theyre all too busy jumping off a cliff
or getting pitchforks and torches
by jesus christos on Jul 31, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup
http://www.truebluela.com/2010/7/31/1597626/ted-lilly-finally-comes-home-at-a
Warning: NSFW language galore
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I'm a member of True Blue LA.
Would it be worth messing with Sasquatch, or not really?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe a nice "We'll miss Ted...
…have fun with Theriot!" comment wouldn’t go amiss. Anything more might get you banned.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
wow, you would think they just tradedf for Bradley
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
I'll offer my thoughts on the trade.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
After reading the filth that was written on their site,
I’m proud to be part of this site. This site has tons of class. Thanks Al, and fellow posters for holding back when angry, for keeping our website clean.
by Don't Fear the Reaper on Jul 31, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
NSFW language galore?
True Blue LA looks like release the kraken, about five times over.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Love this comment from truebluela
in 3 years blake dewitt will be hitting 300 for the cubs
lilly will be pitching for the yankees, theriot hitting on high school girls at a mall in encino trying to lure them into his camaro, and the starting 2b for the don mattingly-managed la dodgers – juan uribe
Awesome.
That is incredible
If I were a member, I’d rec that
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I'm a member of True Blue LA.
Though if I rec’d that, they’d probably get out the ban on me.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
If Lilly
never comes back at least he left us with proof that Jim Hendry can get a major FA win. That was a helluva contract for the Cubs
Signed on what could have been Hendry's death bed
I guess that was a sign about how tough Lilly was going to be.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
and for that I will truly give Jim Hendry props
1) for signing Ted, and 2) still working the deal while in an ambulance. I might question the man’s dealings, but I will never question his work ethic.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
apparenlty Hendry has to be near unconscious in order to have a good FA signing
by HuskerCorner on Jul 31, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Coincidentally, I have to be near unconscious
to appreciate the rest of his FA signings.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
i would say Derosa was a damn good steal too.
It also goes to show that Hendry is a good trader. to get 2 Minor League P’s with some potential. Both seem to be having pretty solid years. We won’t be able to tell for a couple of years, but it seems better than getting a couple pics that we will have nooooo clue on. that is if we even got picks. LA is already talking about not offering arb. is Lee going to bee a B Arb player? hopefully someone will sign him and we can at least get a pick.
Bob Brenly on Leo Nunez "Dan Uggla just saved Nunez’ life because Koyie would break him into a million pieces"
And we got Chris Archer for DeRosa
And trust me, you’re going to love Chris Archer next season.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Is he better than Sterling?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Unpossible.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
I don't know how I feel about it
DeWitt seems like a yougner version of fontenot. does this really make the cubs better? i’m not so sure…
Wallach, son of former big leaguer Tim, was a third-round pick of the Dodgers last year. Baseball America ranked him 20th among Dodgers prospects heading into the season, saying he could blossom into a No. 3 in time. He’s currently in Low A. Smit, a reliever, spent most of this year in High A ball where he posted a 2.49 ERA, 8.2 K/9, and 1.8 BB/9 in 50.6 innings. He’s now in Double A.
We'll always have this...
Good luck in LA, you tough sonofabitch…
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 31, 2010 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 42 recs
Rec'd
With authority!
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jul 31, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
33 recs?
That has to be a record for a single comment.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Lilly is awesomeness.
Here he is running away from a four wheeler:
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jul 31, 2010 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dodger fans on DeWitt's defense...
Work in progress. He’s a fantastic 3B defender, but below average at 2B.
inexperienced at 2B but learning. He’s a good defender at third and should eventually be good at 2nd
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2010 1:29 PM CDT reply actions
Wonder if this is a harbinger
of Ramirez moving to first base next year.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
if Rami stays put,
yeah I could see that happening.
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I'm sure Ramirez will exercise his option and stay
I thought eventually he might move to first, but that eventuality might be as soon as 2011.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Does Ramirez have an option for 2011?
I know the Cubs have one on him in 2012.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 31, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Mutual in 2011, I thought
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Ramirez has a player option 2011
Mutual in 2012 I think.
per Cots
Aramis Ramirez 3b
5 years/$75M (2007-11), plus 2012 club option
5 years/$75M (2007-11), plus 2012 club option
re-signed by Cubs as a free agent 11/06
$5M signing bonus
07:$8M, 08:$14M, 09:$15.65M, 10:$15.75M, 11:$14.6M player option, 12:$16M club option ($2M buyout)
full no-trade clause 2007-10, $1M assignment bonus if traded
Ramirez has right to void contract after 2010 & become a free agent
award bonuses: $75,000 each for Gold Glove or All Star selection, $0.25M for LCS MVP, $0.3M for MVP,$0.35M for WS MVP
Ramirez may void 2012 option, but doing so forfeits $2M buyout
2012 option becomes guaranteed if Ramirez:
wins one MVP in 2007-11, or
places 2nd or 3rd in MVP vote twice in 2007-11, or
wins LCS MVP once in 2007-11, or
is an All Star 3 times in 2007-11, or
is traded & Ramirez exercises 2011 option
4 years/$42M (2005-08), plus 2009 mutual option
signed extension 4/05, replacing 1 year/$8.95M deal for 2005 signed 1/05 (avoided arbitration, $10.25M-$8M)
$1M signing bonus
05:$8M, 06:$10.5M, 07:$11M, 08:$11.5M, 09:$11M mutual option (option is guaranteed with 270 games 2007-08)
Ramirez has right to void contract after 2006 & become a free agent
exercised right to void final 2 years & become free agent 10/06
3 years/$9.5M (2002-04)
02:$0.5M, 03:$3M, 04:$6M
agent: Paul Kinzer
ML service: 10.111
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Bleed Castro Blue
That would be some weak production from 3b...
…if DeWitt is his replacement. But, yeah, I can see that as a back up plan going into the off season.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 31, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
He'll have to play behind Dunn, if he does.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
From your lips
to Hendry’s ears?
(I know, Dunn is an error waiting to happen, but …)
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
If we could be so lucky to commit that 40+ Hrs -100+ RBIs- .280 BA error more often.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
Maybe... but it would suck to have no power at 3B.
You need run production there.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
I hadn't thought of that...
But I like the way that infield defense sounds: Dewitt, 3B; Castro, SS; Barney, 2B; Ramirez 1B
DeWitt has no power at all
I can’t see us putting him at a key offensive position. That being said, it has a great chance of occurring.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Don't tell me that Lou changed his mind
and is coming back next year. Woe is us.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
wonder if his 3b defense is a hint to a possible Rami trade?
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
Or at the very least a competent backup when Aramis goes down for his annual injury
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Interesting
Maybe considering sliding Rami over to 1B faster than we thought?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Cheers, Lilly and Theriot
Two of my favorite Cubs over the last few years and now they’re no longer with us.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
I'll miss Lilly
Won’t miss Theriot as much. I think the arbitration stuff in the offseason helped seal his eventual fate, and his performance this season was the capper.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
everyone talks about his performance this year...the entire offense that has been around for a
couple of years sucks this year. only soto and the new guys are performing. i guess Soriano has had a decent year, but not for what we are paying him for. Lee, sucks, Ramy, has sucked, Theriot, sucked. they are all having a bad year. interesting with a new batting coach, seems the vets didn’t buy into him at first?
Bob Brenly on Leo Nunez "Dan Uggla just saved Nunez’ life because Koyie would break him into a million pieces"
I hope Ted
will considering on coming back to Chicago. Ted was a great signing and really a good pitcher for the Cubs.
Theriot just never got any better.
And he may have regressed a little
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I think Lily would be a better fit for an AL team
where he wouldn’t have to bat.
by Blue Heron on Jul 31, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't know about that.
Flyball pitchers are also gonna have more trouble with the DH. His ERA will go up for sure.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 31, 2010 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe. His ERA wasn't too much higher when he was with Toronto.
by Blue Heron on Jul 31, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually, yes it was.
ERA in 113 Cub starts, 705 innings: 3.70
ERA in 89 Toronto starts, 505 innings: 4.52
Overall AL ERA: 4.52
Overall NL ERA: 3.83
He’s better off with the Dodgers than he would have been with the Twins or White Sox.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Dewitt and Cashner
Saw Dewitt take the heater from Cashner a few weeks ago in response to Byrd getting hit by Padilla… will they be friends :)
A couple of beers together
Or one good fistfight should clear the air. Maybe both.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Dewitt should be pissed at Padilla
And he should respect Cashner for retaliating. I didn’t see the hbp to Dewitt – was it in the back, or higher up?
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by RiskyBusiness on Jul 31, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Hip shot, IIRC
It was professional
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Dodgers are going the super-scrappy route
Pods then Theriot…
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 31, 2010 1:32 PM CDT reply actions
if the dodgers have pods and theriot in the top 2 lineup spots
they themselves will account for 50% of the dodgers CS
by jesus christos on Jul 31, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Then they shouldn't have dumped DeWitt
whose scrappiness also goes to 11.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Torre loves vets
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
I'm going to add a poll to the right sidebar on this deal.
Please watch for it and vote.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Good-bye and good luck to Ted, good riddance Theriot
I really hoped they would keep Lilly because I think they’ll miss him.
And if they trade Fontenot, who’s going to be the backup SS?
by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Jul 31, 2010 1:32 PM CDT reply actions
i need the little clip
of lilly throwing his glove like right now. only rightful way to send him off
Enjoy
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by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 16 recs
Yup
It still makes me sick!
User..name..in..tatters
by TheRamZamDLEE on Jul 31, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Where's the "dislike" button?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions
that's me, if I was ever a major-league pitcher
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Ditto for me.
The problem is, Ted and anyone that watches Chris Young is that you NEVER start him off with a fastball. I think Ted was more mad that he did that than CY actually tagging it.
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Awwwww.
I’ll miss Ted. So much.
Riot? Well, I’m sort of happy he’ll be in a different shade of blue…
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
i hope those at WF dont boo Theriot when he returns with another team
like they did Marquis
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Bleed Castro Blue
Theriot won't be back at Wrigley this year.
And he may have a tough time finding a job next year except as a backup. Prediction: he winds up with the Royals. They seem to like guys like that.
Anyway, Theriot was quite popular with Cubs fans. He’d likely get cheered.
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"I'm traded now?!?
BUT IT’S SHARK WEEK!"
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by Craig in South Bend on Aug 1, 2010 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Where ever he goes Ted will always be my guy. This is a very sad day.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 31, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
After last night's disaster...
I can picture Lilly and Theriot sitting on the plane to LA, with this big sh*t eating grin on their faces.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
smnoking cigars, singing BYE CUBS BYE
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Bleed Castro Blue
Yep...fist bumping the pilots, stewardesses and anyone else they can get to.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
drinks on us
we are heading to Lillywood
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Bleed Castro Blue
Wonder if Lilly will go with the dreadlocks or just stay the way his is?
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
Lilly wanted to stay, so
I’m not sure how he feels about it.
Theriot? I really don’t care what he thinks. He was a decent player for most of his time in Chicago, but his welcome was worn out.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you sure Lilly wanted to stay?
I wouldn’t think so. I think Lilly wants a shot at the playoffs.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 31, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
he loved being a Cub, but knew he would not be resigned
and this is not opinion, it is fact. My dad happens to be a good friend of Lilly’s brother in law.
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I'm not saying he didn't like the organization
I’m sure he did, but this team isn’t going anywhere this year. If he was going to compete in the playoffs this year, it wasn’t going to be in a Cub uni.
I think that would be very important to a competitive guy like Lilly
by jerry morales rules on Jul 31, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
FWIW Lilly lives in California
that might have swayed him, where it didnt sway Lee, who knows. There are so many “x” factors that we acan speculate and never know
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Bleed Castro Blue
Ted also has a house in Chicago...
… three blocks from Wrigley Field.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yep, friend of mine sees him
in the neighborhood all the time.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
true, but he is from Cali and lives there in the off season and what-not
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Well, he's from Fresno
Not actually California. (joke)
by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
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Bleed Castro Blue
Lilly's from Fresno
Which is a ways from LA, but a lot closer to LA than Chicago.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks i was not sure where exactly in Cali off hand
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Bleed Castro Blue
It's a long way
both physically and spiritually.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I bet he doesn't sniff the rotation in the playoffs.
I love him, but he won’t be in their post-season rotation. Bullpen though.
"It was a perfect situation for the Brewers," Hill said. "They had a guy up there at the plate [in Counsell] who takes a lot of pride in what he does and he practices those situations, so when it does come up, he gets the bunt down to the right side of the field. They have the perfect guy on first base [in Gomez], who is one of the fastest guys in the league, and they had one of the worst fundamental teams on the field, so it was a perfect situation for them."
by louslovechild on Jul 31, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Someone's gotta carry his bags
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
He's made more $$$ playing baseball than you have
My guess is that you’re more likely to be a bell hop than he is.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 31, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course he’s made more $ playing baseball than I have. What’s your point?
He is a below average major league baseball player. Seems like a nice enough guy… but the Cubs are better without him in the line-up.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
I'm not upset that he's gone
I just don’t like the disrespect he gets on this site. He was an important piece of a 97 win team. He was the best SS in the Cub organizaion for a few years. He played hard and he played decently.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 31, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
being the best
of a group of one…
Riot’s biggest problem was that he didn’t recognize his biggest problems.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
It wasn't a group of one
I’m talking minors too.
Regardless, Hendry didn’t recognize his biggest probs either. He could have replaced him prior to ’07, ’08, or ’09, but he thought there were other more pressing issues. I agreed with that and still do.
Theriot may not have been the solution, but he wasn’t the problem.
The angst! The angst!
by jerry morales rules on Jul 31, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I absolutely respect what Theriot did for this team.
But he has regressed and his flaws can no longer be overlooked while he makes $2.6M.
I wish him nothing but the best… I hope he does well in LA.
But, if you put a little red outfit on him, he still looks like a bellhop.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
Yes, quite
I respect what he did too. I wish others did.
He’s regressed for sure and I have no issues that the Cubs are moving on without him. It’s just that if you read this site the ridiculous hate against him is undeserved and over the top. He helped this team win games in the past.
by jerry morales rules on Jul 31, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with that.
Though I think a large part of it is just frustration boiling over.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
Sure. But Riot doesn't deserve to be dumped on today...
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
I think frustration
is the word for me on Theriot. You would of thought he would of tried to work counts more and improve is OBP.
The guy never really improved on his weaknesses.
Florida State colors? :)
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Ugh.
I respect Riot… but I don’t care to see him in garnet and gold.
Let’s make that bellhops outfit Dodger Blue, instead.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
Acceptable
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Wallach
Here are Wallach’s stats. They look pretty good. Long way’s away, but a good haul for a pitcher we were going to lose. Here’s the stats:
2010 Pitching Statistics
Club (League) Class W L ERA G GS CG SV IP H R ER HR BB SO BB/9 SO/9 WHIP STK% G/F
Great Lakes (MWL) LoA 6 0 3.72 17 17 0 0 84.2 73 39 35 7 43 92 4.57 9.78 1.37 — 0.93
Minor League Totals 6 0 3.72 17 17 0 0 84.2 73 39 35 7 43 92 4.57 9.78 1.37 — 0.93
his numbers dont match up great with the scouting report
90 mph fastball and good command were the reports above, and he’s basically been a high K/high BB pitcher. Must have pretty advanced breaking stuff, but struggles commanding it
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 31, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
He will have to get his command under control
He pitched on a great MWL team with a 69-33 record. He had had a higher than team average in WHIP, BB, ERA but didn’t allow any runs in his last 2 starts. He’s a project like most A Class pitchers.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
good bye and good luck
This is another deal that the cubs should not have made just AWLFUL,I wish Ted the best, but will miss him,,he was a team player and a great leader,,just another cub blunder
In what way should they not have made this?
I agree it wasn’t a steal for us, but it wasn’t bad either.
this was a great deal
we got a young infielder who is cost controlled, although he isnt a power machine
we traded away theriot and a pitcher that could easily come back to us next year
by HardForharden on Jul 31, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
It wasn't that bad of a move.
We got two nice pitching prospects and a good starting second baseman.
by Clark&Addison on Jul 31, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
DeWitt is a decent 2B
I wouldn’t call him good. He’s terrible against LHP and power pitchers.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
This was a good move.
It’s entirely possible the Cubs will re-sign Ted as a free agent. If that happens, they get three players AND get Ted back next year.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
and lose a 2nd rd pick
if he’s type A
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 31, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps the two pitchers they got are worth more than that pick
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Hope so
Because once DeWitt starts putting-up 0’fers the shine will come off this trade quickly.
I'm wet nurse to a (4th)-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
DeWitt is 6 years younger than Theriot, cheaper and improving. He's a definite upgrade.
They just got 2 pitching prospects for Lilly, a guy they likely weren’t going to offer arbitration to at the end of the year. This trade was a good move by Hendry in a time when his owner apparently wants him to unload some payroll.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jul 31, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
And here come the Lilly/Theriot-mantics.
There is zero that is terrible about this deal… the only blunder is Theriot’s next TOOTBLAN, which fortunately is now the Dodgers’ problem.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
Will not miss Theriot one bit
Lilly is a different story, but I’ll get over it quickly.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Umm, something is wrong with Smit's stats.
They say he only walks 1.4/9. The Cubs only pitch people over 4.5, right?!
He's in A ball, right?
We’ve got time to teach him how to throw more balls
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
He made a huge jump in his control this year
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Theriot was a decent Cub
I won’t miss him, but he was the SS for a 97 win ballclub. So much angst over him on this site that I thought was totally undeserved. He was servceable at SS and serviceable at 2B.
I won’t miss his baserunning though
by jerry morales rules on Jul 31, 2010 1:38 PM CDT reply actions
agreed
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I remember back in '06
when people were pissed at Dusty for not playing Theriot regularly.
He had his moments.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Bears Backup QB Syndrome
The guy on the bench is always better than the guy on the field. Always.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
until the guy on the field is the one on the bench
then they both prove to be worthless
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Bleed Castro Blue
Yep.
My mom and grandfather are Bears fans, believe me, my grandfather when he was still alive complained to me about the Bears’ QB on numerous occasions.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
bears QB has been a longer disaster than Cubs 3b
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If Kitna can thrive with Martz
Cutler will break every Bears’ QB record. Go ahead and pitch “who’s he going to throw to” BS.
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
Isn't Martz more run-oriented?
If Cuter has done a lot of growing up, and some people think he has, he’ll be okay. He’s displayed a huge ego in the past and alienated people in Denver, though, so I don’t think he’s the guy the Bears should try to build a team around.
Read Stefan Fatsis’s book, A Few Seconds of Panic, for more details.
by Blue Heron on Jul 31, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
martz run oriented?
hahahahahaha
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
No, he's a big fan of the pass...
Reference the St Louis Rams’ “greatest show on turf” with Kurt Warner, Isaac Bruce, Torry Holt, and Marshall Faulk catching passes out of the backfield.
Okay, I switched the two, but here's what the Times football blogger says:
Eager to right the ship, Smith and Angelo mortgaged the team’s short-term future last season to acquire quarterback Jay Cutler. So far, the return on that three-draft-choice (including two first-rounders), $49 million investment has been 9 losses and an N.F.L.-worst 26 interceptions. Dependent on Cutler’s success, Smith and Angelo decided to change their quarterback’s fortunes – and thus, the offense’s fortunes…and thus, the team’s fortunes – by hiring Mike Martz as offensive coordinator.
For Smith, there isn’t a more conspicuous show of desperation than bringing in the ringmaster of the Greatest Show on Turf. Smith, after all, is a defensive-minded, run-oriented coach. In his perfect world, Chicago’s offense would be The Most Methodical Show on Natural Grass.
More here: http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/29/chicago-bears-2010-season-preview/
by Blue Heron on Jul 31, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree, it's a move of desperation
but no one was more qualified to run a NFL offense that was available in the offseason. One thing is for sure, he won’t be predictable like his predecessor Turner.
"In order to have a winner, the team must have a feeling of unity; every player must put the team first- ahead of personal glory" - motivational sign at Halas Hall.
no way
he throws more than anyone i can think of
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Martz is a descendent
of the Air Coryell coaching tree.
There was an in depth article about this in SI right after Coryell’s passing that I found fascinating.
No coach has ever had a bigger and longer lasting impact on the NFL than Don Coryell. His influence is still being felt today.
bigger and longer lasting impact than Paul Brown?
I don’t think so.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Well, the article
discussed the impact of Brown. Some think Coryell’s impact was greater, some thought Brown’s was.
But, those two stand alone in their impact being felt more than 20 years after their careers ended.
Do you have a link? How long ago was it?
I’m looking at the SI site now and I’m finding a few articles/columns on Coryell but nothing I’d call in-depth.
Or maybe it was something that only ran in the hard-copy edition. Luddite bastards… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Search the SI vault
they’ve gotten VERY good at putting all their print only thngs online.
He said it ran after Coryell died….
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
Yes, it was the print edition
and it was truly in depth. It ran probably ten pages. They described in detail some of the innovative plays that Coryell created to take advantage of how defenses were set up at the time. When the defenses changed to stop him, he came up with a new plan of attack. Hence, what became known as the “west coast” offense was born.
It was fascinating.
Here's a link
But, unfortunately, this is a severely truncated version of the article that appeared in the magazine, having jettisoned much of the detail that made it so interesting.
boy, you weren't kidding about it being severely truncated
that link took me to a blank screen! ;-)
I did this search on “Coryell” on the SI.com site and came up with a few hits since his death on 7/1/10. The column by Trotter did mention Paul Brown and the other articles did talk about Coryell’s influence but nothing as in-depth as you described.
It’ll be interesting to see if somewhere down the road, there’ll be another coach who is recognized as having influenced the game as much as these two. Obviously, this is way way way premature, but of the current (and recent) crop, Belichick is the only one that stands out in my mind. It’ll be interesting to see how the rest of his career shakes out as well as those of his “coaching tree”.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Belichick
ia a great coach, but there’s no way that he has been responsible for fundamentally changing the game the way Coryell and Brown did. It’s not just about wins and how many branches are on the coaching tree, it’s about revolutionizing the way the game is played.
FWIW, I had trouble getting the SI page to load too…but after a couple of reloads, it finally did.
Cutler's record suggests, "the other team"
That was what got Shanahan’s and Cutler’s tikcets out of Denver stamped. McDaniels has made some dubious personnel moves, but trading Cutler was not one of them. And his early career self-comparisons with Elway suggest they don’t make hats big enough for his head. Good luck with that one…..
also the Lions Backup QB Syndrome
which will hopefully end with Stafford.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
To be fair
look at who the other options that year were.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
Agreed
I admired his desire, going to right field to move runners etc……..he was a good Cub.
by If we only had Hubbs on Jul 31, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Like this
I have always liked DeWitt – I think a change of scenery will do him wonders. I just hope he doesn’t turn into Izturis pt. 2. The kid pitchers are good too… now, if the Cubs can resign Lilly in the off season, this would be an great get for Hendry.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
my immediate reaction is
a lot of this depends on if Ted would’ve been a Type A or a Type B FA.
If he’s a type B the return clearly surpasses that Wallach + 4.5 yrs of DeWitt is a better haul than a sandwich rd pick
if he gets to Type A the upside of a 1st and a sandwich potentially would seem to have a better ceiling than this deal (though obviously more risk since DeWitt is a major leaguer).
If my reaction is mixed that probably means its a decently even trade for both sides
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 31, 2010 1:38 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Arb offer
Would he have even been offered arbitration? I doubt the dodgers do.
i think most would
Lilly at his age is going to go for as much guaranteed money as he can get and someone will offer him 2-24 or 3-30 as opposed to the 1-13 he’d get in arb, so i think teams would realize the risk of accepting arb is minimal
i mean randy wolf got a 3 yr deal this offseason
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 31, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the difference between Lilly and Lee
Teams will offer 36 effective LHP arbitration. But they won’t for unproductive 35 year old 1B.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jul 31, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 31, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
The Dodgers won't offer Lilly arbitration.
Not with that divorce going on.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
exactly no $$$$ for that currently
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Bleed Castro Blue
except for that $40 million
coming off the books
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 31, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe not
But Lilly could also be signed as a FA before the Arbitration offer date. And the Dodgers would still get the free agent compensation. He signed 12/16/06 with the Cubs.
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by RiskyBusiness on Jul 31, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
This is the part of baseball I don't know as well
Can you explain to me why that date matters and how the arbitration thing works, or at least point me to a site that does? This always boggles my mind…
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
Sure
So the Dodgers have Ted Lilly and he is a free agent at the end of the season. Lilly will file for free agency (withing 2 weeks after the end of the World Series) and each free agent is then assigned a Type by Elias sports bureau – A or B.
Then the Dodgers will determine if they will offer Lilly Salary Arbitration – arbitrator decides between the player’s amount or the team’s amount. The team’s one-year offer amount can not be less than what the player made the previous season – $13MM for Lilly this year. If the Dodgers offer’s salary arbitration and the Lilly rejects it, the Dodgers will get Free Agent compensation (draft picks) if Lilly signs with another team.
But before the date (12/12 I think) to offer salary arbitration is a window when the top free agents sign. And the Dodgers would get Free Agent compensation (draft picks), if Lilly signed then. Whether or not the Dodgers had planned to offer Lilly arbitration.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Jul 31, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
My bad
12/1 this year. Players must accept by 12/7.
this looks handy
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by RiskyBusiness on Jul 31, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
care to wager on it?
they have 40 million coming off the books next yr and lilly aint accepting arb
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 31, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
dodgers have 40 million
coming off the books next year, they can risk a 1yr deal for Lilly
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by DartmouthCubsFan on Jul 31, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
That's because your first glance just saw "Theriot gone" :P
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 31, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't hate it
Why not see what DeWitt offers at second base for the rest of the year? Just don’t let him fool you like Jeff Baker did.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I like DeWitt
Is it possible DeWitt plays tonight?The Dodgers are in San Francisco right now.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2010 1:40 PM CDT reply actions
Possible.
It only takes an hour to fly from SF to LA.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
And about 2 hours from Denver to SF...
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
More likely
you’ll see DeWitt on Sunday.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, right.
Forgot. But, you have to figure, the players were probably notified before it broke to the media. There’s no reason DeWitt couldn’t be in Denver tonight.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I'm testing the waters at True Blue LA right now.
They’re not too happy about it, but I think Lilly does have an upside in that he has pitched well but not gotten any run support whatsoever.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 1:40 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah they're very upset.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, you and I can both attest to that,
As both of us have posted comments in that thread.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
they have flipped out on this trade
I guess they hold a lot of hope for the pitching prospects
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
Most of them are unaware of how well Lilly has pitched.
I think they’re judging him on his W-L record.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, he's had a couple of terrible outings this year
I was at one of them. But they’ll soon learn…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
A comment in reply to one of mine:
he’s used to getting no run support?
good, he’ll fit right in too
by bucknellbruin on Jul 31, 2010 2:43 PM EDT
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
He has maybe 10 starts for them
and then he’s gone. LA fans think they gave up 2 decent prospects for 10 starts for a team going nowhere this year.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
But if Lilly signs elsewhere
the Dodgers will get at least one draft pick and they might have someone they like that they are scouting.
If he pitches well
There’s no guarantee that Lilly will end up as a Type A.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2010 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting that they apparently
have no angst over giving up DeWitt.
DeWitt’s career numbers away from Dodger Stadium are anemic at best.
Odd, given Dodger Stadium's reputation as a pitcher's park.
Maybe the change of scenery will help. DeWitt is still young enough to get better.
DeWitt does hit better in day games than night games. That ought to help him as a Cub.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
So..
Hendry essentially passed on Theriot/Russell for Kelly Johnson so he could throw-in Lilly in order to acquire DeWitt? This qualifies for a WTF?
I'm wet nurse to a (4th)-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
I propose that when discussing this trade
The term “Lilly” should be read as short for “Rent-A-Lilly”
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
there was never a guarantee whether or not this was just a rumor or not
by HardForharden on Jul 31, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
We don't know how close that Arizona deal was.
You don’t know that he “passed” on any such deal. It was only a rumor, and if it was actually discussed, once the D’backs got Crosby from Pittsburgh, Arizona is probably the team that “passed”.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Don't know how close the deal was
but it was definitely more than a rumor.
The media in Arizona has discussed the deal as a real possibility and the D’Backs beat writer for the AZ Republic, who is very conservative in the way he reports potential deals, said a team source told him the deal was close to being done.
Clearly, Hendry had a choice as to which deal he wanted to take. Reports are that the D’Backs are still looking to deal Kelly Johnson.
< Insert confused facial expression and jaw drop here >
I'm wet nurse to a (4th)-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
With all due respect to Dodgers fans, they're dopes.
10 Lilly starts are a whole lot more valuable than DeWitt and single-A prospects right now.
by chilango2 on Jul 31, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
How? If we make the playoffs, yes.
Right now we’re out of the division race and 4.5 gb in the WC race against a team that actually improved at the trade deadline.
The only way this trade is salvageable is if the Dodgers make the playoffs. If not, it sucks bad. Think beyond this season.
When you're buyers...
…you’re not thinking beyond this season.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 31, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
You understand that he was the throw in part of the deal, right?
I’d be amazed if he was back in Dodger blue in ’11.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 31, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Will trade you a Hendry AND a Piniells. for a Colletti.
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
OK...we can flip Mattingly to the Yankees for Girardi...DONE!!!
Ron Santo - 8,143 ABs, .277 BA; 342 HR; 1331 RBI = NO Hall of Fame?
Brooks Robinson - 10,654 ABs, .267 BA; 268 HR; 1357 RBI = Hall of Fame.
Any more questions ?
by Easy Ed on Jul 31, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for truth
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Lilly and Theriot's Final Numbers
Lilly’s Career as a Cub:
3.5 seasons, 113 games, all as a starter
47-34 with an ERA 3.70, WHIP 1.144
Theriot’s Career as a Cub:
5 seasons (6 if you count a Sept. call-up), 609 games
439 at SS, 145 at 2B, 9 at 3B, 4 at LF, 2 at RF
BA .287
OBP .350
SLG .362
OPS .712
174 RBI, 15 HR
100/135 SB (74%) (32nd on the Cubs all-time stolen base list…)
I’ll miss them both. Ted was always a competitor and a stand-up guy. Theriot always played hard, in spite of his shortcomings.
"Any old kind of run wins it!"--Jack Brickhouse
by MannyTrilloFlipsTo1B on Jul 31, 2010 1:41 PM CDT reply actions
Theriot
was a major reason we made the playoffs in 2007 and 2008.
He’s bee a major reason we haven’t made the playoffs in 2009 and 2010.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Theriot plyaed outside his ability zone
He also allowed a base runner every two games because of range and arm.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
I'd disagree
that Theriot was a major reason in any of the seasons. He was an insignificant part of the Cub puzzle.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
I'm reccing this
The number of TOOTBLANS and terrible play in the last 2 years while Theriot pretended to be a shortstop is nauseating.
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
I already miss Teddy Ballgame
I'm wet nurse to a (4th)-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
I will always remember Riot for his 2008 season.
I thought he was gonna be so good after that year. Sadly, well, he wasn’t.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2010 1:42 PM CDT reply actions
yeah, he was pretty good that year...not bad in 09 either
he just forgot how to take his walks….i wonder about the 3 hitting coaches over the last year or so, and how that has effected him
Bob Brenly on Leo Nunez "Dan Uggla just saved Nunez’ life because Koyie would break him into a million pieces"
Never going to be the same without Ted
He is going to contending team in pitcher friendly park in a division filled with pitcher friendly park. This is ALMOST enough for me to root for the Dodgers, but I can’t other than when he starts.
I wish Theriot the best. He had a great year in 08 and maybe Torre will no how to use him
right.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
Platooned?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
The proper use of Theriot.
“Hey, new guy… I can’t find the clubbie… can you go get some more gum for Ethier and Kemp? Gotta keep them happy.”
“Hey, new guy… Manny forgot his sunglasses, can you run them out to left?”
“Hey, new guy… Could you warm up the pitcher for us? Martin has to put on his shin guards.”
“Hey, new guy… You can drive, right? Jamie McCourt’s driver is ill. Can you get her out to Riviera for lunch?.”
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
I hope there's more to come with Z.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2010 1:45 PM CDT reply actions
Nice trade for the Cubs
They essentially turn Theriot into DeWitt, who is a better player and will be quite cheap for another year before he is Arb-eligible, and then get two young live arms for two months of Ted Lilly and a draft pick.
Anybody can explain to me why the Cubs are still paying Lilly's salary?
I don’t get it.
by chilango2 on Jul 31, 2010 1:45 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
because the dodgers are broke.
it was the only way a deal was going to be getting done.
Bob Brenly on Leo Nunez "Dan Uggla just saved Nunez’ life because Koyie would break him into a million pieces"
Me neither
Cubs get a marginal hit/glove 2B guy and two low minors projects and still fork over millions?
I'm wet nurse to a (4th)-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
Not all of it.
It appears the Cubs got about $2 million of salary relief here — the Dodgers are, apparently, paying all of the remaining $900,000 of Theriot’s deal and about $1 million worth of Lilly’s.
The Cubs didn’t have to do that — they agreed to do it. The money appeared to be the thing holding the deal up.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Don't forget next year
DeWitt isn’t arb-eligible until 2012. He gives the Cubs a very cheap 2B option for next year. Theriot was making ~$2.5 million this year and is second year arb-eligible.
The Cubs did fine financially on this one.
BP's Kevin Goldstein on DeWitt
He has the prettiest swing you’ll see never turned into results. He’s constant source of disappointment for the Dodgers."
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 31, 2010 1:46 PM CDT reply actions
He'll fix that in Wrigley
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
I'm sure Lou will teach him ALL the fundamentals he can use
The 2010 Randy Hundley Fantasy Camp ruled!!!!
actually Jarmallo will,
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
That is the hope for DeWitt
He obviously has a good swing and a good eye. perhaps he is a Byrd in the making.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Get his eyes checked
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Some said when Gregg took over for Wood
Cubs fans gave him no leeway because he was replacing a legend. Well, I’ll be doing just the opposite for Mr. DeWitt.
BP would snark about Santa on Christmas Eve
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
in all seriousness...
…this may be a situation where we see the benefits of having Rudy J as our hitting coach.
Think about it – assuming Goldstein is fairly close to the mark, i.e. DeWitt has a pretty swing but gets lousy results, seems to me that’s a situation where a good hitting coach can identify what’s wrong and make a tweak or two to get that pretty swing productive.
Somewhat in hindsight, but I didn’t expect Rudy to make guys like DLee, ARam and Soriano better hitters. Sure, a suggestion here or there is nice and maybe helpful, but established sluggers are pretty set in their ways. I’m much more impressed if Rudy can take our average hitters and make them pretty good hitters; or turn mediocre hitters into average ones.
Sounds like DeWitt could be a perfect test case…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 31, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
great point
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
If Dewitt
had the frame for power or ever hit for power in the minors, I might have hope. Dewitt strikes me as Theriot with better defense and a worse contact ability.
DEJESUS!!!
Less base stealing ability as well
I know Theriot Tootblans all over the place, but he COULD steal a base on occasion.
by HuskerCorner on Jul 31, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
He can't make Rami better.
Rami is his own hitting coach.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
I like Dewitt a great deal
he’s a potential change-of-scenery guy, gotten yanked around a lot by the Dodgers management. Hope he can start to produce the power he flashed in the minors for the Cubs. The minor leaguers aren’t quite what I hoped for, but the Cubs aren’t paying full salary on Lilly/RT, so you get what you pay for
Bruce Miles will love it!!
Dewitt is a high OBP guy and hits left-handed, but with little to no power. Maybe a slight upgrade and only a stopgap anyway.
I can see Theriot with his ‘grit’ and "hustle’’ providing a temporary spark for LAD but he won’t be back gonna want and prob. get a raise despite so-so year.
At least we do get more left-handed hooray!! Probably spells end for LBR who never got decent shot under Lou but didn’t produce as much as initially hoped. Baker worth keeping as platoon for this year with Barney right behind him for next year.
Another plus for DeWitt
He can and has competently played 3b, something LBR never quite could master.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say, "Wait, what the hell are you talking about?"
now wer can offer a FA contract this off season to Lilly and Theriot?
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
Official Press Release
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Dewitt is young, and under team control for a while
He should be a great 2B for the next two or three years, and then we can move him along for Lee and Castro to roam the middle infield.
Heck, maybe the Cubs go with pitching and great defense and turn into a Arizon type of WS team in a few years.
by Don't Fear the Reaper on Jul 31, 2010 1:50 PM CDT reply actions
I will never buy a jersey with an active player again.
In the last 5-6 years, I bought a Farve Packers jersey, a Hinrich Bulls jersey, and a Theriot Cubs jersey….tough summer
Bob Brenly on Leo Nunez "Dan Uggla just saved Nunez’ life because Koyie would break him into a million pieces"
My GF buys my jerseys as birthday/Xmas presents
She got me a Packers #4 – right before retirement #1. This last year she got me a Rami jersey, and it only looked like he retired until this month…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
nice. i am going Retro from now on i think
you can’t go wrong with #23 (Bulls or Cubs) #31 Cubs (either one actually)
Bob Brenly on Leo Nunez "Dan Uggla just saved Nunez’ life because Koyie would break him into a million pieces"
or 34 (bears)
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
#23 might get real popular next year...
… even more so than it is now.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
let's hope so...
Bob Brenly on Leo Nunez "Dan Uggla just saved Nunez’ life because Koyie would break him into a million pieces"
Never buy jerseys with a player's name on them
At least a current one.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
or 12 (packers)
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Well I got my Maddux Jersey in 04
and never needed another. Realistically you can’t expect most players to be around more then 4 or 5 years. IF I bought another jersey, I would invest in Castro, likely to “last” the longest.
Oh Al I will email about getting me a reduced Ted T shirt next week. Will fit right in with my Murton & Wood ones , both bought at a discount after they were gone but not forgotten,
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 31, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, i guess i bought the Theriot jersey back in '07, so I got 3+ good years out of it
still sucks to watch them go, especially when he had some good years, but it ended on a bad one. wish they would have never messed with his hitting stroke last year when he was hitting a couple of HRs. not sure if I should blame Riot, Lou, or one of our 3 hitting coaches we have had in the last 1+ years.
Bob Brenly on Leo Nunez "Dan Uggla just saved Nunez’ life because Koyie would break him into a million pieces"
Whew!
Thank Ernie Banks that the Cubs got Ryan Theriot bobblehead day out of the way earlier! Otherwise, season ticketholders could expect them as Christmas presents this year.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
We even got one of him fishing
Ah, the memories of those bobblehead days…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
They come
and they go. This is baseball. As always time will provide us the answer if this deal was worth it. On the surface, yes it is.
Go Cubs!
Lilly loves Johnson
Isn’t Ted Lilly the one who had the shirt on for Reed Johnson to stay with the cubs? They will be butt buddies again but can’t root for the Dodgers after 08
Nice headline
I was confused until I read more…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
'With Reed we will succeed'
Forgot all about that.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
He could start playing Dome more
If you wanted…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
at SS and 2b
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
I got to watch Ted in person about two years ago..
Overpower the Cards at Busch Stadium. I’ll miss him. Theriot, not so much.
"Cubs fans....the wind beneath the Hawk's wings." Andre Dawson, on his induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame, 7/25/10
Last Cubs game I saw
was in Seattle, Lilly vs. Hernandez. 3-2 Cubs in 13 innings. Ted looked like his usual self.
Good game, beautiful day, big crowd, plenty of Cubs fans, great company. I’ll always remember that, for reasons other than Lilly being the starter.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
i’ll remember that series for the massive booing (name redacted) recieved from the cubs fans AND mariner fans. i got the vibe from the mariner fans that they weren’t too keen on his attitude either and the cubs being in town gave mariner fans sufficient cover for booing (name redacted)’s ass.
i was upset (name redacted) didn’t start game 3, but then wakimatsu so kindly put him in to pinch hit.
good times. good times.
not in the sections i was in. i was in 3 different parts of the park and the booing was pretty universal from what i saw.
It started out with mass booing
but I think after a couple of days of that, Mariners fans started to get ticked off about so many Cubs fans in their ballpark. Plus the M’s had won the first two games of the series. So (name redacted) started to receive a lot more cheers, particularly when he pinch-hit in Game 3.
Of course, I thought he’d get the game-winning hit. Thankfully, he didn’t.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
My recollection is that Mariner fans were ticked off about it right away
Like most fans whose ballpark Cubs fans invade.
Brewers and Reds fans don't seem to mind it.
Oh, wait…
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
The few times I've been to Reds games
They’ve been a bit frightened by it. The mass indifference of Pirates fans to it has always been pretty funny though.
We went to the Cubs-Reds series in Cincy in September 2008
The Saturday night game was sold out, and it probably was 70 percent Cubs fans. That was the night Soriano hit three homers. Never seen anything like it.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Those were the days, my friend
We thought they’d never end.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably
From my recollections, it seemed like in Game 1, it was mass booing. By Game 3, it had turned into a mix of booing and cheering.
Decent ballpark, though. The seats in the right-field cafe are among the best I’ve seen.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, thought it was fine
Don’t see the big deal about the park myself, or at least the idea that it’s up there with PNC and whatever the Giants call their stadium these days.
It isn't that nice
The tickets, for one thing, were a little expensive.
At least at PNC you can sit 10 rows behind the plate for $27.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
That game was awesome.
I was there too, and loved every minute of it.
The Cubs are still undefeated when I’m at a game, so you know, all I have to do is move to Chicago to break the curse…
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
Sure wish Ted would have gotten his no-hitter against the White Sox
Thanks again, Juan “League Leader In Outs” Pierre.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Before anyone asks
SWL has been informed. No official reaction, yet.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I imagine it would be something in between
A 4th of July celebration and dancing on someone’s grave.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
i believe i read that a man was arrested for dancing naked in the streets today
by jesus christos on Jul 31, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually he was ticketed for changing lanes without using his turn indicator
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
Over/under on how long SWL's bender lasts?
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
Missing Riot already?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
If Hendry
was looking for the least exciting return possible, he nailed it.
DEJESUS!!!
Not much you could've gotten with Lilly and Theriot
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
I'd much rather
have Kelly Johnson than Blake Dewitt
DEJESUS!!!
Take a look at Johnson's road splits
and say that again….
Johnson's overall numbers
at Chase Field are not that great. The stats for this year are skewed for several reasons.
One of the reasons his home/away splits are so severe this year is that during May/June, the D’Backs played a ridiculous number of away games against really good teams/pitchers. It really skewed the numbers for everybody on the team. Look at the D’Backs road record and you will see this. The overall team home/away splits are ridiculous.
That was my first thought too
But, after thinking about the age and salary difference, I am not sure I would rather have Johnson. Especially considering Johnson is having a career year he is unlikely to duplicate. If Johnson regresses to his mean, not sure the gap is huge.
by JSB on Jul 31, 2010 4:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually
Johnson is only 28 and after a couple of injury plagued years, is finally healthy and there is every reason to believe that his production this year will become his norm as he has entered his prime years.
I'd rather had Johnson too but do you really think the DBacks were going to trade him straight up for Theriot?
It seems extremely far-fetched to think Johnson for Theriot would be a deal the Dbacks would want to make. Theriot is older than Johnson a worse player and will make more than he is worth next season. The deal makes no sense for AZ at all.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jul 31, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
No question the D'Backs
are looking to move Johnson. I doubt the deal was straight up, but probably with the Cubs throwing in a prospect. In any event, it appears the Cubs asking the D’Backs to throw in cash is what killed the deal.
The truth is we have no idea what the deal was or what the sticking point may have been.
Hendry is in a situation where he needs to unload salary and he did a pretty nice job to unload two guys that were not going to be a part of the future. AZ held up Kenny Williams and I’m glad Hendry didn’t find himself in the same situation. I can’t believe people are complaining about what we got for Theriot when he literally had no value.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 1, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure he wouldn't be spinning things to his advantage would he?
It still makes more sense to trade Theriot for a better cheaper player rather than someone that will cost more money and won’t be a huge upgrade. As I said before no way AZ trades Johnson straight up for Theriot so it’s really a moot point. I don’t care what is coming out of AZ specifics that broke the deal down haven’t been released. How can you claim Hendry should have made a deal when you don’t even know the particulars? You don’t know what the deal was but you are sure Hendry should have made it? That’s the logic you are using here. The Cubs got salary relief, two pitching prospects and DeWitt, that was a good deal.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 1, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
You wouldn't be distorting things would you?
DiPoto was clearly giving an honest answer to a direct question that was asked of him, i.e. how close did they come to moving Johnson. He responded that a deal very nearly came together (without mentioning the Cubs by name) and then outlined some of the hurdles. No spin needed or offered.
No I don’t know the particulars, nor do you. So, how are you so sure it wasn’t a straight up Theriot for Johnson deal?
All I have done is taken what was said and filled in some of the blanks with what common sense tells me.
Don’t know why you want to dissect that. You are welcome to your opinion, but understand, that is all it its.
Do you understand that whatever the GM said is his opinion?
I’d be willing to bet Hendry might have a different take but just my opinion. The Cubs need to cut salary and they did that while getting back some young cost controlled players. In my opinion, that is a win. I can’t compare the deal Hendry got to some imaginary deal that never happened. You seem to think that your opinion about a Cubs/Dbacks deal that never happened is fact, when it’s clearly nothing more than supposition and assumptions clouded by your own bias. That’s something I hope you understand.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Aug 1, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I think this is a good deal
for the Dodgers.
Lilly’s main issue is the long balls he gives up. Those will mostly die in the night air at Dodger Stadium.
Don’t know if it will be enough for them to catch the Padres, though.
Dodgers are only 4.5 games out of the wild card.
It’s a good deal for both teams, given the circumstances of both.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
The dodgers have to pass about 3 teams. They are not going to the playoffs it's pretty dumb
by LouPiniellaIsRetiring on Jul 31, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
3rd place in the NL West
4.5 back of both the Giants and Padres.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
And the Padres just got Ryan Ludwick
I think they take the division easy now. The Dodgers are playing for the WC.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
WOW
what did they give up? Pitching, I presume?
I love this deal if they didn’t give up too much.
At the beginning of the season, everyone was mocking the Padres. You gotta love what they are doing…
Two minor league prospects
Nick Greenwood and Corey Kluber. The Indians sent Jake Westbrook to the Cardinals in a three-way deal.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
In reality
the Dodgers only hope to make the playoffs is for some teams to falter. The Braves/Phillies, Padres/Giants or Reds/Cardinals. One out of each one of those pairs has to have a late summer swoon. It’s a lot to ask…and the Dodgers have to get hot at the same time.
I think Lilly/Theroit will help (and yes, I like Theroit more than DeWitt), but I don’t know if it will help enough.
The key is Manny. Without Manny being Manny, the Dodgers offense is anemic.
But, I am not ready to count the Rockies out of the wild card. I think they may have a run left in them, if past history means anything.
Theriot
“io”, not “oi”
Oy.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Why do you like Theriot more than DeWitt?
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It's simple really
Theriot has experienced success at the major league level.
DeWitt, with the exception of some brief spurts, has not.
That's probably Ned Colletti's perspective as well.
Problem is, Theriot has probably already experienced all the significant major league success he’s ever going to. I’d still rather roll with DeWitt at this point.
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Ted is still on MY team
He is on both of fantasy teams. One is named Lillies of the Field.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
Is the other team named "In Piniella we Trust"?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
the B-Lous?
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No it is called "DOGGIES ROCK"
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 31, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
LAD wants to move Manny
Manny for Zambrano and Fukudome + cash?
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That'd be a dream.
Manny is a FA after this season.
No way LAD takes on future salary commitments like that.
Shut up Joe Morgan.
i said it more tongue in cheek than anything
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Oh, I assumed so.
But maybe we could sell the McCourts on all that “new revenue” with Kosuke’s Japanese following!
GETITDONEJIM!
Shut up Joe Morgan.
is it time to move the trade deadling to 8/15 or 9/1
due to the Wild Card making more teams in the grey zone not sure if they are sellers or buyers as soon as 7/31?
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Do we have a backup SS now?
I mean besides Lou’s failed attempt at playing Fonty there.
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
what do you mean "now"
we never had one
by jesus christos on Jul 31, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
We had a fine one
Andres Blanco
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
I miss Andy White's glove
Not his bat, though.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
we could recall Scales
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Bleed Castro Blue
I think you nailed it
Good news: No more Fonty at 3B experiments
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Maybe Barney gets a Sept. callup.
Otherwise, it’s Fontenot.
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Breaking
Buster_ESPN Heard this: The Yankees are closing in on deal for Kerry Wood
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
More power to them
Both of ’em
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Buster_ESPN Heard this: The Indians would eat a lot of the money owed to Kerry Wood if the Yankees and Cleveland finish this deal
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
Then why would they do it?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
sounds like the Indians must be getting some pretty decent prospects in return
by HuskerCorner on Jul 31, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope, middling prospect
Cle wants to get rid of the money owed next year I guess
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
That would be the only reason I can see
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Yeah, they're dumping salary
three guys gone already
by Blue Heron on Jul 31, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
nope, it wont vest
he wont reach the numbrs needed, he will be a FA nexct season
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Just to save a couple then I guess
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
the thing that is interesting is Wood just got activated
from the DL, so who knows how strong his arm/back/shoulder is right now for a playoff run
plus for Wood, NY media pressure wont make him lose any sleep after being in the Chi media for years
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I think it'll seem like a walk in (Central) park
compared to Chicago.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I guess I'll take the longer-term potential of Dewitt
over Kelly Johnson…
At only 24 years old… we could have DeWitt for a while.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
DeWitt's a winner over Johnson for me
Simply because I don’t despise every fiber of DeWitt’s being for being as unclutch as possible.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Gives us a potential long term option. Not too shabby.
Better than adding older players who have maxed out their potential…
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
I have watched KJ all year this year
and I can tell you he has been stellar. He played hurt a lot in Atlanta.
He’s hit for the cycle, has a .865 OPS, was the NL player of the month in April and will has been red hot in July.
I don’t know where people get the idea he has been hurt a lot this year. He has played in 97 games and as far as I can recall, has only had the once a month normal days off.
He is so far superior to DeWitt…there is no comparison.
Oh look, you claimed you were leaving again
and then didn’t
by HuskerCorner on Jul 31, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
especially not when it comes to people with egos so gigantic that they make
not one, not two, but three declarations that they are leaving a site and then continue posting.
by HuskerCorner on Jul 31, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't you have anything better to do
You’ve made this point about a dozen times now, and it was stupid and pointless the first time you made it. Up until now, I have taken the high road and ignored you.
Now, I think I will continue to post here if for no other reason than to annoy you.
Not at the moment no.
“Now, I think I will continue to post here if for no other reason than to annoy you.”
Believe me when I say that shocks me not at all. That sums you up quite nicely.
It also seems to be your M.O. claim that other opinions are erroneous because you watch the D-Backs play all the time, and then when people start calling you on your BS post some long invective about how you’ve been wronged and you’re leaving, hoping someone will beg you to stay.
Annoy me all you want.
by HuskerCorner on Jul 31, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
You seem to be incapable
of understanding the difference between opinions and measurable facts.
What I posted about Johnson is mostly the latter.
And what little I said that falls more into the opinion category, is at least informed opinion…which is something you are apparently unfamiliar with.
Man are you ever full of yourself
I can’t wait for the next announcement of your departure it should be a hilarious read.
by HuskerCorner on Jul 31, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
With each moronic post you make
you improve that odds that will never happen.
One thing you can rest assured of, I will never be chased off here by someone like you.
That's obviously the reason you were here in the first place.
Everyone knew you lied and couldn’t stay away.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 31, 2010 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
In the end... there's nothing special about Kelly Johnson
And DeWitt likely won’t be a special player either. But, I’ll take the 24 year old over the 28 year old, and see if the lights come on soon. DeWitt did have a 19 HR year in the minors in 2006. The potential to put up Kelly Johnson-type power numbers is there.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
Hey ajazz.
Nice to see the guy who is never coming back again. See you soon, In My Opinion.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 31, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Johnson's the better hitter
but I’m not impressed with his D at all. And he’s a lot older.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Johnson's D
has been excellent. And it’s not like DeWitt is the second coming of Ryne Sandberg defensively.
I share your belief...
that KJ is superior to DeWitt and the Cubs botched an apparent opportunity but what’s your motivation to continue hyping Johnson? Rub some salt in the wound?
I'm wet nurse to a (4th)-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
No not at all
Just trying to correct some erroneous and uniformed information that is getting posted about Johnson.
You will note that I generally do not do this unless it involves a D’Backs player. That is because I see the D’backs play a lot.
If you guys want to distort reality because of a sour grapes scenario, that is your business. But, please allow me to inject an informed opinion, based on some a significant amount of observation.
I've watched a lot of DBacks games
because of my sorry-ass fantasy team. I’m sticking with my opinion of Johnson.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Well then
you could not have avoided observing that Johnson is easily the D’Backs MVP this year…and that is saying something for a player who is making $2.8M.
Hooray! The MVP of the worst team in the National League
AWESOME
by HuskerCorner on Jul 31, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
As I said
he was player of the month for the NL in April.
He will probably get votes for POM for July.
Think DeWitt will get votes?
Still curious why you're over here
You should be popping champagne with your D-Back buddies celibrating dodging the Theriot bullet
I'm wet nurse to a (4th)-place, dead-to-the-neck-up ball club, and I'm choking to death!
Not really
I follow the Cubs more than I do any other team than the D’Backs, but that is because of WGN and Doggie Stalker, who I enjoy talking baseball with. I think I am more an “interested party” than a fan.
But, I have never understood why people think you have to show credentials to post on here.
And trust me, we are delighted not to have gotten Theroit, especially if Kelly Johnson was the price.
You don't
Sorry, you talk about the Cubs like you were a Cub fan. I assumed you were.
That’s not a bad thing.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
He enjoys telling we're all idiots for disagreeing. In My Opinion.
Starlin Castro singles on a pop up to catcher Jason LaRue.
Ryan Theriot scores. Two out -Gameday 7/23/10
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 31, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, he's a good hitter
Don’t get me wrong. I like his bat. But his glove? Yuck.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
He is typical
of a lot of infielders I see these days. He is capable of making outstanding plays at 2nd. He makes most of the routine plays and boots one once in awhile.
I would rate him as average. Certainly not as good as some of the better 2nd basemen in the league, but definitely better than some.
This will surprise you, but I think he is comparable to Orlando Hudson, who I also watched for 3 years and who I think is way over-rated because of his tendency to dive for balls that others could field without diving.
Hudson is overrated
But he was something special early in his career. But defense can degrade just like hitting as one gets older.
I haven’t seen Hudson enough lately to compare him to Johnson. I have trouble believing he degraded that much, but I suppose it’s possible.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't see that much of Hudson pre D'Backs
but here, he was much like Johnson. Made outstanding plays fairly regularly, and booted some easy plays.
Perhaps I am expecting too much, but it seems to me that someone winning a Gold Glove should not regularly boot easy plays.
Carrie Muskrat is apparently reporting that Thomas Diamond will be called up to pitch in Lilly's spot
She doesn’t say whether it will be for one start, or the rest of the season but either way…..wow.
If this is true, the Cubs are still giving the middle finger to Carlos. Why not trade him for a bag of balls if you’re going to keep poking him with a stick
Really
I thought they might bring up Samardzija.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 31, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
"He's not stretched out"
But yeah – huge middle finger in his face there
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
No, she did not "report" that.
Here’s what she actually wrote:
With Ted Lilly being dealt to the Dodgers Saturday, the Cubs will need a starter for Monday’s game against the Brewers. One possibility is right-hander Thomas Diamond, who was pulled after throwing 64 pitches in four innings in his last start Thursday for Triple-A Iowa. Diamond was the Rangers first-round Draft pick in 2004 but slowed after undergoing Tommy John surgery in March 2007.
Not reported as fact; not even stated as coming from the front office. This appears to be her own speculation based on Diamond being pulled in his last start.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Well, she did REPORT it, it simply wasn't a report based on fact.
by HuskerCorner on Jul 31, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't call that "reported".
It was speculation.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That's really not semantics....
She said “one possibility” and you said, “Thomas Diamond will.” BIG difference.
by bdlugz on Jul 31, 2010 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
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speculation =/= report
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semantics = same antics
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
will =/= might
that is where the speculation comes in vs what the poster said was reported
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be fun to see Diamond but I wouldn't want to ruin his performance with this lack of offense if he's any good that night
and that’s if he’s coming up
"They say you don’t win a pennant in April, but you can sure lose one." - Ryan Dempster
"Stuttgart Kickers soccer player Sascha Bender once suffered a facial injury after being punched. The assailant, teammate Christian Okpala, said Bender "permanently provoked me by farting all the time." "
Miles previously speculated that Diamond would get the start
I suppose Muskrat may have read his column. Or maybe the Cubs announced it informally so officially she can only speculate.
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
It has been a while since Carlos pitched more than an inning or two
so I can’t get a read on this but Diamond has been used in relief too lately.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 31, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I wanted Kelly Johnson :'(
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
You really, really didn't
Trust me on this
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
just interested to hear your response
what is so bad about him?
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I've posted around here in a few places
Essentially, I watched him pretty closely as a Brave, first out of interest, and then out of disgusted curiosity. His inability to bat in the clutch was annoying at first, then it became routine. Where he really shined was committing errors at the worst possible time for the team. He’d be flawless right up until the highest-leverage situation arose and then forget how to field his position entirely.
I’m glad he’s not a Brave anymore and very glad he’s not a Cub.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
alright, I'm glad he's not a Cub!
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh my.
Glad he’s not on our team.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Kelly Johnson is hitting .304 with runners on
.292 with RISP and .282 with RISP and 2 outs.
On the season he’s hitting .277 with 17 homers and 10 SBs. Yeah, thank god he’s not on the club……………..
by HuskerCorner on Jul 31, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm done arguing about the guy's stats
I watched him. A lot. I cursed about him. An awful lot. I simply don’t like him and I don’t want to see him on my team. Period.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Fortunately for you (and unfortunately for the Cubs)
it looks like you’ll get your wish.
I wouldn't mind having him on my team
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
if that happens, wow
8th Kerry Wood
9th Mariano Rivera
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yankees are working on a trade for Wood per MLB Network
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Well that's interesting
If that happens, say bye bye to the facial hair.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
That'd be an improvement
though I hate the thought of him in pinstripes!
by Blue Heron on Jul 31, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
unless they are blue pinstripes
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Bleed Castro Blue
I'm thinking navy blue, not Cubbie blue
His beard sure is scraggly!
by Blue Heron on Jul 31, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
At first, I'm sure he will
He doesn’t know or trust him yet. Of course, he’s not the one filling out the lineup cards for the next 3 days…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Of course, he’s not the one filling out the lineup cards for the next 3 days…
Sure he is. Just because he isn’t there, doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be leaving lineups for Alan Trammell to submit.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
You don't think he'd give him a little leeway?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
My hope is that he'll straight up say "You're the man Alan"
I mean, it’s not like Lou’s lineups are any good.
by HuskerCorner on Jul 31, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, Piniella's got other things on his mind at the moment
and he trusts Trammell.
by Blue Heron on Jul 31, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
And those lineups will still include Theriot
Roster has changed, so Trammel may get the chance to make it up on his own.
im asking because
his numbers through his MLB career are pretty similar (yet mediocre) vs righties and lefties
this year they suck against lefties (.222/.271/.311) but in his first relatively full season he had better numbers against lefties(.286/.402/.452) than he did righties (.257/.326/.363)
by jesus christos on Jul 31, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, ONE thing we know:
When the Cubs meet the Dodgers in this year’s NL playoffs, the Dodgers will start at least ONE left hander against them!
(Huh? What do you mean the Cubs aren’t going to make the playoffs?)
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
From a dodger fan at trueblue LA:
in 3 years blake dewitt will be hitting 300 for the cubs
lilly will be pitching for the yankees, theriot hitting on high school girls at a mall in encino trying to lure them into his camaro, and the starting 2b for the don mattingly-managed la dodgers – juan uribe
"I'll play any day. I don't care if I'm 0-for-30, playing baseball is my PASSION. I'll go out and play." - Geo Soto
this was posted about by VCF
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Bleed Castro Blue
I didn't make a post about that.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
It was bergs55 who originally made a post about that comment at TrueBlueLA.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
whoops
my bad, wrong person but same comment was made above
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
Looks familiar
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I guess that Kelly Johnson rumor was too good to be true
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Oh my.
Suchon:
Theriot is everyday 2nd baseman.
Lilly starts Tuesday.
by silverwidow on Jul 31, 2010 3:44 PM EDT
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 2:46 PM CDT reply actions
Just appeared at TrueBlueLA.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
May god have mercy on Dodgerfans' souls
and blood pressure with Theriot out there
by HuskerCorner on Jul 31, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Betcha $1
says he shines in LA. I hate him, for the most part, but he will do well with that team.
"It was a perfect situation for the Brewers," Hill said. "They had a guy up there at the plate [in Counsell] who takes a lot of pride in what he does and he practices those situations, so when it does come up, he gets the bunt down to the right side of the field. They have the perfect guy on first base [in Gomez], who is one of the fastest guys in the league, and they had one of the worst fundamental teams on the field, so it was a perfect situation for them."
by louslovechild on Jul 31, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
He might have a nice average, but the guy is what he is
no power, no plate discipline, Tootblans galore and a thick skull to go with it.
He’s not suddenly going to turn into a better player.
by HuskerCorner on Jul 31, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
if Wood goes to NYY
does it make me wrong for wanting them to win it all?
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
Yes
"It was a perfect situation for the Brewers," Hill said. "They had a guy up there at the plate [in Counsell] who takes a lot of pride in what he does and he practices those situations, so when it does come up, he gets the bunt down to the right side of the field. They have the perfect guy on first base [in Gomez], who is one of the fastest guys in the league, and they had one of the worst fundamental teams on the field, so it was a perfect situation for them."
by louslovechild on Jul 31, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
The Yankees should finish last in their division 100 years in a row
Then karma may balance.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Jul 31, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
it would be more of a pulling for Wood than the yankees
but he is now a Yankee, so……..
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
No.
Pay no mind to the knee-jerk Yankee hate. Besides, they’ll probably win it all, anyway. It’s kind of their thing.
"One of the things I like about baseball is that between innings you can go to the restroom.'' ~Manny Acta.
Yes
There are two types of baseball fans: those who root for the Evil Empire, and those who do not.
It’s like Packer fans rooting for the Vikings because Brett Favre went there—not cool!
by Blue Heron on Jul 31, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
No
I always liked Wood. Hope he gets a ring.
by Coz_Bulls_Fan on Jul 31, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
this is my feeling exactly
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
I like Wood, too
He’s one of the reason why I became a Cubs fan. But I simply will not root for the Yanks. If they win it all again, though, at least Wood will be a part of it.
by Blue Heron on Jul 31, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
i have never understood the
yankee hatred.
unless you’re an actual rival of them (mets, bosox, al east)…
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
replace hatred with jealousy
and there is your answer
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
I like seeing other teams get a chance to win it all
and I’m a big fan of underdogs. The Yanks are just so money-rich, and dominant!
by Blue Heron on Jul 31, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
and it makes fans jealous
that they dont have to sit back and watch others, but instead they make moves, dont sit tight, never satisfied with their team.
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
The self-satisfied Yankee fans don't help
I agree that jealousy plays a part in it, though. Another part of the Yankee hatred is that sports is more fun when you have a team (or teams) you love, and one or two you actively root against!
by Blue Heron on Jul 31, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
good points
and i never meant that anyone who hates them is wrong to
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
My problem is less with the Yankees
and more with the Eastern Seaboard Programming Network ramming them down the country’s throats all the time.
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
by EalyEagle on Jul 31, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
that i think we can all agree with
ESPN, Morgan, MIller I can do without those three
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
Yeah
a major network pandering to the largest market is obviously so awful.
Whatever. To each their own, I guess.
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
Never really got that complaint either
Especially from Cubs fans. Then again, I don’t watch any sports channels unless there’s a game on.
Geez, Allie, you've been unusually grumpy lately!
You used to be a lot cheerier in the old days…
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
Back when she was "HalfBlindCubbieGirl"
she was much more cute and cuddly. Possibly the cheerleading outfit she wore?
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
a crap team
makes me crabby. :-P
also, by now I’d be willing to move on to da bears… but i’m so disgusted by the fact that lovie is back with manic martz in tow that isn’t helping.
Things work out best for those that make the best out of the way things work out - Coach Wooden
That I can definitely understand
My wife knows better than to ask me how the Cubs are doing…
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
you mean like
the Cubs were on WGN across the country?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
What
"It was a perfect situation for the Brewers," Hill said. "They had a guy up there at the plate [in Counsell] who takes a lot of pride in what he does and he practices those situations, so when it does come up, he gets the bunt down to the right side of the field. They have the perfect guy on first base [in Gomez], who is one of the fastest guys in the league, and they had one of the worst fundamental teams on the field, so it was a perfect situation for them."
by louslovechild on Jul 31, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions
you seem
very upset.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
why?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
you really should have prepared yourself better
It’s not like it came out of thin air that he was on the move
by HuskerCorner on Jul 31, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
This is TWICE the Dodgers have done this to me
From the trade deadline till the end of the year in 2006 I changed my sig to " I hate Ned Colletti".
I adore Ted but he is in a better place.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 31, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
They've done it to me twice too.
My former favorite was Reed Johnson.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
Don't plan the wake yet
I adore Ted but he is in a better place.
Lilly was traded to LA for the next ~ 2 months, he’s not dead.
"They come to see me strike out, hit a home run, or run into a fence. I try to accommodate them at least one way every game." - Gorman Thomas
by RiskyBusiness on Jul 31, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
LA- Dead?
Not much difference. I actually meant he was with a contending team but as they lost again to the Giants who knows.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 31, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
It's easier if you choose someone who never plays
That way, you can never be disappointed. I suggest Jeff Baker.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Yeah
he very well may become my new favorite, but it’s too soon.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
thanks, now he will be traded
i keed i keed
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
fo sure
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
What are you referring to?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Rent-A-Lilly leaving, I'm sure
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I think this is an understandable
and honest reaction. If I were a Cubs fan, I would not be too thrilled with this deal.
I think there is a significant possibility the DeWitt will become the next BCB whipping boy, now that Theroit is gone.
its okay .... I wanted Theriot to say too
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Jayson Stark, Wood to yankees is done
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
Girardi wanted him
Apparently. He wanted his old teammate.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess we'll know what his chin looks like now
Or if he has one…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
sadly I will cheer for the Yankees most likely this post season
for Wood
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
I was going to do it anyway
No one else in the running that I really care for.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
Just from looking at his stats,
Dewitt has more pop in his bat and better patience.
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
I'm lurking at True Blue LA.
They seem to be even angrier about this one.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
They shouldn't be
James McDonald is nothing. Now whether you give him up for Octavio Dotel is another thing, but I wouldn’t get upset about it.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely
the Dodgers have been waiting for McDonald to even approach meeting his potential for about 10 years now.
And didn’t Dotel save a bunch of games against the Cubs this year??
10 years?
McDonald is 25, and has played parts of three major league seasons.
Now, he may never make it. But he’ll get a shot with the Pirates. I’m sure he’s happy about that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That was an intentional exaggeration
I know it has only been a few years, but it seems like forever that the Dodgers have been touting him as a big time prospect and he just hasn’t panned out.
Man...
I have been a The Riot fan ever since his LSU days and then when he got to the Cubs that made it even better since the Cubs are my favorite team. I know baseball is a business and I know some people are not a fan of The Riot but a part of me is sad to see him go.
At least they still got Fontenot…for now…
Adam Dunn stays in DC
Next year, Cubs?
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
hope not.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
who would interest you Mr. Drew
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know.
I’m not in favor of someone else, I just don’t want Dunn.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's Drew's guy - Jeremy Hermida was just DFA'd by Boston
:: i keed ::
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
lol
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting that a whole bunch of teams
that are in a position to offer the Nats a fair return for Dunn were unable to complete a deal.
Rizzo, who came out of the D’Backs organization is getting a reputation for being tough to deal with. A great scout and talent evaluator, but now that he is a GM he is having some difficulties.
I'd guess the Hawks would keep him at that price
If a quality pitching start is 3 runs and 6 innings, then a quality hitting day is 1 for 4.
That seems to be the consensus.
A little more than the Hawks wanted to pay, but they’ll figure out a way to squeeze him in.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
how many trades did the Indians do
and is anyone left from their starting line up?
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
They still have Choo
For now
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Wood, Ludwick, Kearns, Westbrook
and those are the major names, not including any other players inviolved
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
exactly my thoughts
like the Yankees or not, I want to see Wood win
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
maybe
its because I grew up as Wood was breaking into the bigs and he was my favorite Cub but in some weird way it will be a validation to see him win a championship. I hope he puts up 0’s the rest of the year for the yanks
I agree
it’s the yankees, so I’m conflicted, but nonetheless, it would be nice
by PrincetonCubs on Jul 31, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I like how Nady, Fontenot, and Baker are still on the team.
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
Those guys will all be waived after August 1...
… along with, probably, the entire rest of the team.
My guess is that anyone claimed will be allowed to go.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
IMO, no.
Lou probably will though.
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Dewitt starts.
"It was a perfect situation for the Brewers," Hill said. "They had a guy up there at the plate [in Counsell] who takes a lot of pride in what he does and he practices those situations, so when it does come up, he gets the bunt down to the right side of the field. They have the perfect guy on first base [in Gomez], who is one of the fastest guys in the league, and they had one of the worst fundamental teams on the field, so it was a perfect situation for them."
by louslovechild on Jul 31, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Does Lou know they're there?
Maybe Tram will give at least one of them a chance to play!
by Blue Heron on Jul 31, 2010 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Will Ohman on the move!
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
Just put Nady on waivers already
We ain’t gonna use him
"Any player who gets the opportunity to play at Wrigley should welcome it"
As good as expected
The future will tell on these prospects.
DeWitt is a decent return assuming he can field better than Theriot. Can’t mess around with the middle infield and expect to win close games. I really believe there wasn’t going to be a better time to trade Theriot; no better deal around the corner.
Lilly will have a chance to help the team that drafted him.
Kerry Wood may get himself a WS ring.
Braves get ankiel and hard thrower kyle from the royals.
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
I hope the Braves don't try to turn him back into a pitcher
Because nothing’s worse than having a broken Ankiel.
:: ducks for cover ::
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
haha!
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
They've got enough pitching this year
If it was 2008 again, though…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Dr. Tightpants made a big mistake not staying with the Braves
when he had the chance. Back home in Georgia with Cox he should do very well.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
Jim Hendry
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 31, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Incredible amount of trading
Some seasons there are hardly any.
Not sure I'd call what's going on "trading"
Seems more like the folks who sell a bunch of stuff at their garage sale, then take that money and go buy a bunch of stuff from other people’s garage sales…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
call it the Regifting Deadline
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
cst_cubs
Lilly says not ‘’overly excited about it,’’ despite looking forward to battling for a playoff spot.
Attaboy Lilly!!!
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
Then again, when was the last time Lilly was "overly excited" about anything?
Well, I mean anything that didn’t involve a red bird in his path…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 31, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
At the rate the Yankees are collecting ex-Cubs
They might be the Cubs East.
RIP Ronnie James Dio (July 10, 1942 - May 16, 2010).
I'm fine with that.
It’s worked out so well for the Orioles…
Before each game, please remember to feed the bats.
From Jim Callis at Baseball America
Here is the link to Jim Callis’ breakdown of the trade:
by The Real Dustin on Jul 31, 2010 3:17 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Two of my favorite Cubs going to a team I despise?
This makes me sick to my stomach.
by owllover711 on Jul 31, 2010 3:17 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
People should really stop talking about Lilly's 3-8 record.
Somehow, the worst run support in all of baseball slips pass their mind.
"That's life, that's what all the people say.
You're riding high in April,
Shot down in May
But I know I'm gonna change that tune,
When I'm back on top, back on top in June."
- Big boy Frankie
by lexmarklover on Jul 31, 2010 3:19 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
So now whose job is it
To blindly rush at any mic they see in a reporter’s hand?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Twitter says
Lilly wants to consider returning to the Cubs after the season is over.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
good
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
no joke, I promise.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I want Lilly to consider returning to the Cubs after the season is over...
now if only the organization will consider asking him to return. I’m going to miss Ted Lilly! Oh heck, I’ll even miss Theriot a little. But I’ll miss Ted a whole lot more.
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"--The Brain
by brook on Jul 31, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
the Tweet says Hendry says “I wouldn’t close the door to that.”
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
cst_cubs
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Somewhere in this great country of ours, there surely must be someone with the last name "Twitter"
and I certainly hope he or she has figured out a way to have some fun and/or make some money off of it.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Now for DeWitts nickname...
How about the riot
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
That's taken
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
His walk-up song was "The Immigrant Song" by Led Zeppelin
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
NICE!!!!
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
How about "Zoso"
from the LZ symbols
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
In case anyone needs a refresher
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Thia?
Damn, my fingers are not cooperating today.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Spell-checker not working, either?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, he's coming to the land of the ice and snow....
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
Clock radio went off by accident in the middle of the night and "Immigrant Song" was on
Plant’s war cry scared the sh#$ out of me!
I'll go to my grave believing Armando Galarraga tossed the 21st perfect game in MLB history.
With the Cubs luck it'll be
Dimwit.
"Fasten those seatbelts!"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 31, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're dating yourself there
Of course, your username does that anyway…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
But you got the reference
So you’re in the same boat.
by Josh Timmers on Jul 31, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
my lawn
get off it.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 31, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
and take your hoodlum friends with you before I go a Clint Eastwood on your a**es...
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
dewitt now
in a strong austrian accent
by jesus christos on Jul 31, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
DeWitt
Australian for Fonty?
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
I might have to buy his jersey
As a resident of DeWitt, IA, he’s now my official player.
DeWitt, MI here.
We call ourselves (affectionately) “DeWidiots”…
We have met the enemy and they are us! ~ Walt Kelly, Pogo, 1971
I am an alumnus of Emory University
We refer to ourselves as “Emoroids”.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I hope it quickly becomes "DeHitt"...
…but I’m not holding my breath.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
If we're sticking with...
D-Lee, A-Ram, etc., then it’d be B-Dew.
Doesn’t exactly have a ring to it, does it?
Sounds like a little kid shooting his ray-gun
“Be-dew! Be-dew! Be-dew! You’re dead, alien!”
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Not really.
I can safely say I hope that does NOT become his nickname.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 31, 2010 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Dewey?
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
The Tribune is already printing tomorrow's paper with the results of the DeWitt nickname contest
“Dewey Wins”
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Somewhat OT but something I've always wondered about...
Watching the Tigers-RedSox game on Fox and noticed the Ortiz shift, similar to the Howard shift and probably a few others.
Question: If Ortiz hits a groundball that normally the 2B would field, but because of the shift, the SS gets it, I assume it gets scored as a 6-3, right?
In the overall scheme of things, makes no difference, but for the stats folks that chart all this stuff, isn’t that misleading? Or do they account for it somehow?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on