Ted Lilly, Hitless Wonder: Cubs vs. Dodgers Preview, Friday 7/9, 9:10 CT
by Al Yellon on Jul 9, 2010 7:00 PM CDT
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It's not just a season for Ted Lilly to get no hitting support from his teammates -- he is now last in the major leagues among qualified starters in run support (2.4 per start). He's not helping himself, either.
Ted Lilly is 0-for-23 this season.
There are now 60 player-seasons since 1901 (including Lilly) where a player has 23 or more at-bats without a hit.
All but three are pitchers.
Larry Littleton of the Indians, a backup OF, was 0-for-23 in 1981. Jason Smith of the Astros (former Cub!), a backup IF, was 0-for-25 last year.
And Hal Finney, a backup catcher for the 1936 Pirates, was 0-for-35 -- the biggest 0-fer for a position player.
Lilly could move rapidly up this list. An 0-for-3 tonight would result in 0-for-26 -- only 37 others have done this, including Sandy Koufax in 1957.
Here's the list of all 59 players who have accomplished this in full seasons through 2009. Actually, I'd love it if Ted got off this list tonight -- and maybe hit his first major league home run (he does have one triple, which he hit last year).
Tonight's lineup via tweet from Carrie:
#cubs lineup fri is rf fuke, 2b riot, 1b lee, 3b ramy, cf byrd, lf colvin, ss font, c hill, p lilly
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Chad Billingsley struggled against the Cubs on May 26 at Wrigley Field, allowing ten hits in 5.1 innings, including a HR by Xavier Nady. However, Tom Gorzelanny chose that day to have his worst start of the year and the Cubs lost 8-5. The Cub who hits Billingsley best is, oddly, Ryan Theriot (6-for-11, .545, but all singles).
Ted Lilly threw seven shutout innings vs. the Dodgers at Wrigley Field on May 27, allowing only three singles and three walks. A repeat of that performance would be nice tonight. Current Dodgers are hitting .202 (26-for-129) off Ted, but with six homers.
Today's game is on CSN Chicago Plus (check local listings!) and Prime in LA. Here is the complete MLB.com Mediacenter for today.
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Today's first pitch thread will be up at 9 pm CDT, and the overflows will post at 10:15 pm, 11:15 pm and midnight pm CDT.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Even it's that the case
major league catchers can play both. What could he possibly done?
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 9, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
The Cubs don't usually
do it that way tho.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
Not only that, but he's been rested half the season it seems like.
He’s not in any danger of getting worn out. This is ridiculous with him.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 9, 2010 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Facts.
Soto has started 61 games, Hill 25, before tonight.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That is an insanely high number for Hill
Especially when Soto has consistently had the highest OBP on the team. Lou must not like him because he draws to many walks.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 9, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
"Insanely high"?
It would wind up with your backup catcher starting about 45 games. That’s not unreasonable.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
With your "real" catcher
being you top OBP guy , the “backup” should not play more than 1 in 5
but he is playing almost one about every 3 and a half games.. It is just stupid how Lou has wasted Soto.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 9, 2010 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
stop trying to hunt for any reason to bash Lou
it is actually SMART by Lou, since this will help reduce the risk of Soto having back/knee problems from a lost season.
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Bleed Castro Blue
really? are you teasing? cause it could make sense I guess
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
it makes sense and is realistic
plus playing your starting catcher 120 games is realistic, 140 would be similar to asking your starter to throw 175 pitches
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
and if Soto started 140 games
DS would bash Lou for over using him. Its not about how many games Soto plays, it is about bashing Lou for DS. I enjoy most of what DS says, but her hunts for Lou bashing reasons has grown tiring
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
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what about batting LEE THIRD!!!! UGH
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
No I would not
140 is not unreasonable for a good starting catcher. 160 not so much. The season was NOT lost in April & May etc when Lou was sitting Soto the hottest hitter down. There is no excuse for keeping your best OBP out of the lineup for more than one in 5 games if he is catcher.
In constantly letting Theriot lead off, "resting " Soto , inexplicable bullpen moves, I have plenty of things to “bash” Lou for. He is a flat out terrible manager this year and there were plenty of signs of this in his previous 3 years.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 9, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
OH heck lets shut down the starting rotation too and bring up
some scraps so we don’t overuse their arms during the "lost " season.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 9, 2010 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm calling Lou "The Cooler" from now on
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
Ted Lilly's last start as a Cub.
maybe
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Nothing
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Innuendo
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
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Gossip
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
Avatar provided courtesy of AndrewJStone.
Poor honey all over Lilly's body
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
misses next game due to bee stings?
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
woot!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
hmmm...
seems like something to step away from here…nothing to see. .move on…….O.O
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 9, 2010 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
OT: Bruce Levine says Rangers have interest in Nady after trading Smoak.
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
you forgot the caps and 1's after the exclamation point
by jesus christos on Jul 9, 2010 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
he he
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
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!!!!!!!!!111111
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
yes dear?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!1111111??????1111111
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
I'd drive him to the plane and give him 20 bucks for the meal on the flight to Arlington.
So long, Nady…have a nice life! Thanks for the cash back!
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 9, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
We need to keep Theriot's expert baserunning near the top of the order!
Thank goodness Lee is batting 3rd again!
I'm trying to be good tonight.
My goal is to not post anything negative about Theriot—though that will be more up to him than me.
Prove us all wrong Riot! Make a (positive) difference.
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
Well I pondered today in post game thread
That I truely can’t understand why Theriot is still playing. My only guess.
Maybe he’s Lou long lost son.
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 9, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Riot's got some Xrated pictures of Lou with a Cracker Barrel waitress.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 9, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
My guess is JH will over value our players as usual and end up with very little.
Then we can watch the same players who will be gone at the end of the season anyway continue to play ahead of the kids.
Kind of like hendry!
Tom Ricketts is amazing!
Think someone would take Theriot, Lee and Nady at the same time?
Man that would piss off Lou! Take away his 2,3,5 hitters! Where would the offense come from then?
by TJ11 on Jul 9, 2010 7:41 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
more like halfpower amiright or amiright?!?!?
"They say you don’t win a pennant in April, but you can sure lose one." - Ryan Dempster
"Stuttgart Kickers soccer player Sascha Bender once suffered a facial injury after being punched. The assailant, teammate Christian Okpala, said Bender "permanently provoked me by farting all the time." "
riot? fonty? soriano? rami?
well, i hope Hoff since none of them make me feel comfortable about first base….but do you think Lee gets traded? I seriously doubt it IMHO
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
Lee's staying, unless there's an injury out there.
I have a gut feeling none of the core guys, i.e. the big contracts, including Zambrano, gets traded.
agreed
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
Not sure I'll get the game tonight. Oh well.
A lovely story:
One day, long, long ago, there lived a woman who didn't whine, nag or bitch. That would be me....
But that was a long time ago and it was just that one day.
The end
I'm stuck with Dodger announcers tonight. :-(
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
better than no game at all
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
true dat.
but the Cubs better win! love listening to the other team’s announcers when the Cubs play well.
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
they'll win...I got a new lucky bracelet ;)
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
parole related bracelet?
say it ain’t so
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
a cardinals one?
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
he did say ther were for parole
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
I hope you have the lucky charm ;-)
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
as I have often said...
I was brought up with the fun-loving Jack Brickhouse. The calm tones and cute stories of Vin Scully totally bore me.
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
Man I was brought up with Jack Brickhouse too.
I’d take Vin Scully in a heartbeat over him.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 9, 2010 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
On Extra Innings I'll choose Scully over the Cubs announcers if I have a choice.
Not much time left to listen to him.
Buhl
I thought Bob Buhl was the worst hitter I’d ever seen. Glad to see he has the honor of going 0 fer in 1962. I seem to remember him being thrown out at 1st once on a single to right. I also remember (must’ve been in ’63) when he actually got a hit. A soft liner that hit the first base bag and bounded away enough for him to reach base.
"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields
Since Micah's name came up, I did a little research.......
2009 Hoff 56 Hits-234 AB .239 AVG 10 HR 35 RBI 20 BB 46 K 1 SB
2010 Lee 72 Hits-313 AB .230 AVG 10 HR 36 RBI 44 BB 79 K 1 SB
Oddly similar don’t you think?
If Lee was gone and Hoff was putting up those stats would he be batting 3rd everyday?
It also makes you think about what we are paying for at first when the AAA backup can do the same thing much cheaper.
Not saying the Hoff is better…..I don’t think he is…….But just throwing out some questions.
Wow Turns out TX is interested in a Cub 1B
to replace Smoak, but not Derrek Lee. They want Xavier Nady.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/07/texas-has-strong-interest-in-xavier-nady.html
we should ask for hamilton
SO WE CAN GET HIM BACK
by jesus christos on Jul 9, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
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Bleed Castro Blue
SBN punishes your hyperbole
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Red X time.
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 9, 2010 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions
It was a really cool red X though.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 9, 2010 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
What does it look like?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 9, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
a red X
"They say you don’t win a pennant in April, but you can sure lose one." - Ryan Dempster
"Stuttgart Kickers soccer player Sascha Bender once suffered a facial injury after being punched. The assailant, teammate Christian Okpala, said Bender "permanently provoked me by farting all the time." "
I see a Red "X" next to "So we can get him back"
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 9, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I wish this was true.
Nady just gets in the way of Colvin batting against lefties. Colvin has (I think) about 80 pts beter BA against lefties. Yet Lou keeps playing Nady—go figure.
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
never doubt Lou
TJ has shown me the light, and with his positive message, i know that Lou knows best
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
You are indeed...the Greatest Fan! He he.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
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I totally agree....TJ the Cubs #1 Fan
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
i think TJ should become a motivational speaker
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
Boy he sure couldn't do any worse than those idiots.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 9, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
he can show people what a good company they really are
(sarcasm)
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
...and how the spill really isnt all that bad
ugh :(
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
they just want their lives back from all us little people complaining
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 9, 2010 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
someone on FB had animation of how it will spread in a year....was awful
"Well-behaved women seldom make History"---Laurel Thatcher Ulrich
It is horrible.
And any of those BP guys living in Britain complaining about it hurting their stock dividends should be chained to the beaches down there where it’s destroying all the sea life…let them walk in oil soaked sand and see all the jobs lost from it.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 9, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
you have reached tens of people
and motivated them to blindly follow Lou and Hendry, and to accept that they know best….nuff said
Unofficial Self Appointed President of the Player Formerly Known as Castro Blocker Fan Club
Bleed Castro Blue
your sig line LA is really clever
"Actually, Major League Baseball is more like Neverland
And the Lost Boys don’t have to ever grow up. Some do, anyway, but that is not a universal characteristic"
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 9, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
thanks,
but as soon as I wrote it, all of Silva’s run support disappeared :-(
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
Sorry to hear that...I should have said the same as MCF before, pretty cool.
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 9, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Pour honey all over Hendry's body
"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon
Fuld must be thinking that too
He is 3 for 4 with a homer tonight.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 9, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Aramis at .195 BA
tonight could be the night he crosses over the Mendoza Line. It is all UP from here!!
Carlos Silva lemonade: made from freshly squeezed Milton Bradley lemons. -- the Jim Hendry kook book.
TJ11?
Or are you his follower?
I didn't believe it last August, but it turns out that love survives.
Mount Washington conquered July 5, 2010
State high point count: 3/50
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 9, 2010 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
WOW Phillies score 6 in the 9th to tie Reds
somebody wants to give the Cards a run for their money in blowing leads.
"Lou Piniella's been a great manager for a long time and I stand by him completely"
We don't mind at all.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 9, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
but is it special?
"The ones who want to achieve and win championships motivate themselves." - Da Coach
by Sandberg's evil twin on Jul 9, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
So
Does this game not come one until after the White Sox game? UGH!
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
CSN Plus.
That’s CLTV in Chicago. Channel 285 on Comcast for HD. Not sure about other areas.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
ok thanks.
"Get up or GET OUT THE WAY!"
~Stacy King
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 9, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
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